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Dog Vaccine Protocols | Kennel Cards Episode 67
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In this episode of the Tac Box Podcast, Tyson and Dale discuss essential protocols for dog breeding, vaccination, parasite prevention, and kennel management, providing practical tips for breeders and pet owners. They also share insights on handling heat, travel safety for dogs, and identifying kennel dogs effectively.
What is going on, everybody? Welcome to the Tech Box Podcast. We're here on this very warm end of June Tuesday, where we are uh gonna talk about some listener questions. We're gonna answer questions that you guys have on vaccine protocols, crate tags, uh, and things along those lines. This is episode 67, Dale. How are you doing today? Whoa, 67. I had no idea that we were that high. I know we were thinking like 64 or 65. It's weird. Yeah, it's yeah. Hey.
SPEAKER_00No, it is good. It is. We're in that time of year where it's warm and everybody, if if you're in the south, you know, probably some of the your best time spent is having a good air conditioner protocol, cleaning protocol. Like clean your filters. Like that's what I do every Monday as I clean that clean the filters up, you know, because you are definitely putting them to the test this time of year.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And so that's like you and protocols, you know, we're gonna talk about protocols, but it's like I think it's super important to have protocols or yeah, for for a lot of different things. But as like one of our protocols now is like, how how much work can we get done in the morning before it gets too freaking hot? And then we can take a little lunch break and enjoy the air conditioner, and then how much work can we do at night again when it starts cooling down? Because it is in that middle of the day part down here is like that sun will get you if you're not staying hydrated and stuff. It's like, and if there's not a little bit of a breeze, it's just like standing out there and just dripping sweat off of you. It's like you need fans and a breeze. And then just imagine being a dog in a kennel or something if you're not staying on top of that. But that goes back to again, we've talked about episodes like that of like making sure temperature stays under control, have backup plans for AC, fans, just to make sure everybody's staying cool and things can go south very quick in the in the heat.
SPEAKER_00And you know what's kind of something that I think sneaks up on people is we think like what you could do that was fine, and then later on you that you can't do. Or like, and this happens with with your dogs too. So like they might could stay out a little longer last summer, and now they're a little little another year older, you know, and the heat the heat can hit them a little harder. So kind of like our Pyrenees, he's spending a lot of quality time in the office. I mean, he's like, like, nope, I'm I'm in. He'll go out, he'll pee, he comes right back in. He's like, that this is this is now the time of year that I'm going to be enjoying. Last summer he wasn't once or you know, a little bit, but not now. He's definitely transitioned to an inside cat type of uh, you know, job description.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, summer's definitely kicked in down here, and it's it's uh, you know, you look at the 10-day forecast and it's like mid mid to high 90s, you know, and it's it's it's a little bit different, and it's nice to it's nice to have the the air conditioned, but you figure out how to get stuff done and and and like you said, figure out how to clean your air conditioner, filters, make sure everything's on top of that, because that pet hair clogs that stuff up quick. We need those working as best as possible.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. For sure, for sure. And and you know, traveling with dogs this time of year, you know, especially, you know, because we see it all the time, because like lots of shows in the summer, lots of all that, you just can't be too careful about that. And you want to be really, if you can, try to avoid traveling in the heat of the day. You know, try, you know, I mean, a couple of well-placed ice packs in the crates are always a good thing. And when you set your set your crates in, kind of figure out how you're gonna do it and put the, you know, because people invariably every summer someone ha loses loses dogs and travel, and they're throwing something in the in the car and they threw a bag over in front of a crate door, and you're like, the air is blowing up front, but it's not cooling in the back seat, you know.
SPEAKER_01I mean, just and then the sun's shining in the windows, and it's like needle map and all the things. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It just happens so fast. People don't realize it, you know, how quickly it can happen. So, you know, those very ultra-attractive, good-looking uh metal crates, yeah, you know, maybe not in the summertime so much. And I like I like using wire crates. They're probably not as safe during a crash, but you know, they are certainly more ventilation. And so if you have a problem with using wire crates in travel, be sure to contact Tyson and express that to him. But the uh, you know, I I prefer with my with my little flat-faced dogs, I like having the having the wire crates where I can look back and I can see them and I can see the air moving around, their hair moving, and they're breathing, and then everything's good. So just uh because you may or may not get in a crash, but the heat will definitely kill you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I like using those too. And it's like I like it for a lot of reasons, but you know, obviously ventilation is one, but the other side of it is the visual side of it. I can see in my rearview mirror, are they panting? If they are, they're too hot. You know, if they're not panting, all good in the hood. You know, here we go. So you know, that's one of those. I like it for that reason, but and you know, more secure in a crash than a soft-sided crate. You know, there you go. So it's not the food, but it's not the worst, you know. It's like yeah. There you go. It's like wearing a lap belt only. You know, it's better than no seat belt, but it's not as good as you could have.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01All right, so we have some listener questions today, and some people have chimed in and commented on some of my posts or sent me messages, and they bring up some good topics that they want to talk about. And so I thought we could uh go ahead and answer those questions because that's what we do on the Tac Box Podcast. We want to make sure that we answer all of our listeners' questions. Yeah, and you know, and everybody wants to hear from Dale and what Dale's processes are. So, you know, here we go. Yeah, here we go. All right, Kelly wants to talk about vaccine protocols, and this is about a 10-step question. So she wants to know uh we want to talk about uh vaccine protocols for puppies, and then we want to talk wormer, heartworm, flea, and tick prevention. But let's start with puppy uh protocols. So puppy shots. What are we doing for puppy shots? When, where, how, and then I get just to add on to that, the difference between three-way, five-way, nine-way. She wants to know what what how she should pick which one because she sees a bunch of different way ones.
SPEAKER_00Okay. All excellent questions. Thank you, Kelly. Uh I'm gonna say uh a part of this is you need to know what works for your breed.
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SPEAKER_00So the same protocol that we would do with with a toy breed might not be the exact same protocol you're going to do with with uh you know Labrador Retrievers. So, because like our with our breeds, we start uh we start our puppies out. We use uh for our cavaliers, we use what's called the Dodd, you know, Dr. Gene Dodd protocol. And uh, you know, where in that they actually start out with like their first just parvo shot uh in uh at eight weeks. Now a lot of breeds are gonna start them at six weeks. You need to know what's your what's your age is like so, like uh like with say if you have a larger breed that's gonna be leaving for their new homes at eight weeks, then you you're gonna probably have you're gonna start vaccinating them a little earlier. You know, our breeds, they aren't leaving 10 till 10 to 12 weeks. So we start a little bit later. You know, I I really do like you know the uh adena immune shots. I kind of avoid on toy dogs the leptospirosis uh component, which is the L in the shots, until they get older because it seems to really kick their butts. You know, that will really knock them for a loop. You know, so you know, like I say, you really need to know what your breed is, what age it's gonna be leaving, and then you know, with your shot protocol, whatever, whatever protocol you're gonna do, one thing that is is a big plus is when you go to breed your bitch, make sure she's boostered on her shots. Because then they're being born with optimum immunity through the cholesterol immunity of the mother. And then you then come up with what you're comfortable with. We usually do uh we do a proguard internasal at uh 21 days, you know, you know, for with uh with our with our puppies, you know, just to keep ahead of upper respiratory infections. But and then you can do shots like every two weeks until they leave, up until like 16 weeks is a good time. All of your shots for your litter, and and there's lots of good resources of places to to get them. Revival's excellent. A couple of catalogs are good to order from. Where do you order yours from, Tyson?
SPEAKER_01I get all mine from Revival, yeah. I mean, it seems like they seem like about the best for price-wise, or you can find specials on them, or especially like if you're a consistent breeder, you know, if you're breeding one litter a year, you know, like I guess you could go to your farm store and buy a shot here and there and you know, not have to worry about too much. But you know, if you're if you're breeding multiple litters and things like that, and you can get the bigger pack that's got a year from now expiration date. If you if you get worried about how medications have been handled, I know Revival has a very strong process to make sure that the medications are always chilled and they're very open about their process. And then they ship it in an ice pack and a in a container. Generally they do overnight or two-day. They won't ship on Friday because they want to make sure that you know medications are cold. So they're very they take very good care, you know, on on how to get it. And a lot of times you get it just for just as cheap from them as as anywhere else that you can find it too. So I tend to go with revival on my shots.
SPEAKER_00I think Jane likes revival, and especially since, you know, because sometimes you'll find stuff a little cheaper here or there, but then they they get you on the shipping. And uh so you know that's that's that's a little game of that. But one thing about the shots, all shots except rabies, can be given by the breeder. So the rabies being a human transferable, that has to be given by by the vet. The puppy has to be 12 weeks. So, you know, at 12 weeks a veterinary given rabies is good for a year, some places three years, but at least a year and stuff. All of the other shots can be given by the breeder. I've noticed a pushback as of late, especially since a lot of these vet clinics are now going corporate, and the corporate corporate vets are saying, if there are not veterinary given shots, we're we demand that you go ahead and revaccinate your puppy from start. Act as if it had no shots. If somebody says that to me, I tell my customer, that clinic is more concerned about money than your puppy. You know, they're willing to subject your puppy to a complete duplicate set of shots because they they want to go ahead and they're gonna bottom line it. Because very few people are going to uh gonna pay for vet giving shots for a whole litter puppies. It's just too expensive. You know, I mean if you have one dog, that's that's great. But you have a litter of eight, you know, that's that's a lot. And honestly, I'd rather not haul my unvaccinated puppies to the vet's office where they're treating multiple dogs with parvo and whatever. I'd really rather they be vaccinated before they go into the vet. Some people will go ahead and give their first their first sets of shots themselves and maybe do the last shot with the vet so they have a veterinary record. Some folks will go ahead and take the stickers off of the vials and put them on the uh on the shot record. We have a great pro uh program and we just write everything on our program. We don't do the stickers, but uh, you know, you could. But if they if anybody says anything about, well, those are breeder-given shots, well, if you really doubt the breeder, probably shouldn't buy from anyway. But you know, they can run a blood titre to see if your dog has titers for for it. I mean, if but it's really if someone says you've got to revaccinate your dog from scratch, find a new vet. You know, find a new vet because that's just your little telltale sign that they're really wanting to get into your wallet more than what's best for your dog. You know, that's my opinion on it anyway. But, you know, know your breed, know your problem, you know, your problem areas, and then go ahead and figure out, you know, your shot protocol and figure out what what ages you do best for you. And uh, you know, two-week intervals up to 16 weeks. And we go ahead and if you like worm your mom a dog before she whelps, that's always a good thing, you know, or when you breed her. But you know, we go ahead and do do like a six and eight week worming on the puppies. Strong is is great. That that's that's all good. If the puppies are summer puppies and they're gonna be going outside, you know, and they're and they're knocking on uh, you know, 12 weeks of age, you can start them on uh like heartworm and flea prevention as well. You know, if that it really kind of like if they're old enough to be going outside, they probably need it. Some breeds are going to, you're gonna start younger than others. Some breeds are gonna have more outside exposure, some breeds are gonna be leaving home earlier. But come up with what's good for your thing, and then just figure it out and then quick, put it together and explain it to your customers really succinctly. This is what we've done, this is what we recommend that you continue to do. And um, you know, like the Cavalier people should definitely check out that Dodd protocol because that's wonderful protocol and stuff. But and there's lots of different lots of different vaccines and stuff, but you know, we really do like the you know, we we've been very happy with with how we've been doing it.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, and so you've mentioned like breed thing, and I mean I I kind of know the answer to this and I'll hit on it a little bit, but you know, for people that might not know, they're gonna be thinking, they're gonna be sitting here thinking, like, well, what's the difference between the breeds? It's a lot of times when we talk, we're talking Japanese chin or smaller toy breeds, so we're not vaccinating at six weeks because a lot of times they're not they don't weigh enough, right? To vaccinate. They're not even two pounds. Yeah, we look at two pounds is kind of our limit. So like that's what we're talking about with your it's breed specific. You know, a Labrador retriever at six weeks, you're gonna be way over two pounds, you're gonna be able to vaccinate. We might not be two pounds until ten weeks. So we might not even start vaccination until ten weeks because we haven't hit that two pound mark. We're kind of like eight weeks or two pounds, whatever one, you know, whatever one is. Whatever gets their first size. Yeah. Yeah. So if they're if they're if they're eight weeks but they're not two pounds, we're not vaccinating. If they're two pounds at seven weeks, cool. We'll vaccinate at eight weeks. Whatever, you know, like so.
SPEAKER_00That's kind of look and see where your babies are at. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01Know your breed and and you know, the weight-wise, you know, and and the time-wise with it. So what's the difference? She also asks, like, so what's the difference between three-way, five-way, and nine-way? And I've seen that before, but is it is it just more of a cocktail in each one of them?
SPEAKER_00Right. So, so a combination shots are are you know, are just just that. They're reloading everything into one vaccine. You know, so a lot of breeds, larger breeds are really good on five and six-way shots. They'll they'll they'll take them easy, they'll bounce right through them. And I mean, and you know, and you know, like one that we've used for years, like with the cockers or like the duraimmune max five, you know, those are good for that. On the toy dogs, we tend to just do parvo distemper shots or just parvo, you know, just because they have a more fragile system. They it doesn't take as much a shot reaction. They're gonna they're gonna be more because of their diminutive body size, they're gonna be more susceptible to the stress and like maybe feeling bad, and then they might not eat and all that. So, you know, breaking the shots down and stuff might be a better round for those like bigger breeds that are gonna be out in the yard. That leptosporosis shots, fine, absolutely, because they might be out there, you know, with rodent stuff, and you know, that they might be exposed to leptosporosis. You know, that that two-pound chin puppy is not gonna be fighting it out in the you know, at their so it doesn't need to be exposed to that. One thing that's kind of a kind of a just a little thing, when you are doing your shots, be kind of, you know, if if you're gonna do them by yourself, then set your stuff up. Like have all have your shots together, have your worm together, put the puppies all in one crate, and then as you do them, put them into the other crate. Because it's like, you know, you know, you have like, I could think like one time we had like seven blendham male puppies, and I'm putting it putting them together in there, and I've got that all of a sudden uh uh the crate door comes open and they're all together again. I'm like, well, which ones got vaccinated? You know, be kind of succinct about it. Go through there one at a time, as you're looking at them, just kind of look at them. They need their nails cut, how their ears look, how their eyes look, just give them the once over. Then, you know, then go ahead and you know, vaccinate, worm, and then put them somewhere else. Another thing is if you have a breed that could possibly have a shot reaction or anything like that, you know, maybe do that if you maybe if there were any reason you might need to use a vet or whatever, maybe you should do shot day on some time where there would be easier to get to a vet. You know, make sure that, you know, that if because if you're doing it, you know, Monday morning, rather than to like, I want to do everything at you know, five o'clock on Friday. Well, you might be then if you needed it to go to the vet, you might need to, you might be at the emergency clinic at that point. So, you know, just kind of have a plan in place how you're gonna do this, and and then that way you can update the records for that litter and like just kind of be, you know, have a process and stuff. I mean, I know that sounds kind of basic, but you know, we usually count up how many shots we're gonna need. And that way, you know, can use you can use one syringe to mix all the shots, you know, so you don't have to like do a shot or you you know, like you know, all together do that. You know, one thing that whenever you're giving the shots, you might ask to have somebody help you hold them. That sometimes is kind of nice because especially if they're like super small or if they're really wild, that way you can pull back, make sure you didn't hit uh in vain, you know, and just you can have a kind of like under control. Sometimes having help while you're giving shots is a really good thing. I mean, you know, that's but you just kinda ha have your process in place as to how you're gonna do it.
SPEAKER_01Is there a difference between going under the next skin versus just anywhere else?
SPEAKER_00Is there's like well there are two the two ways of giving shots is either SQ, which is just under the skin, or IM, which is in the in the in the uh muscle tissue in the haunch. So most vaccination shots are gonna go are gonna go SQ. But you should when you pop it in, you should always pull back to make sure that you haven't like hit a hit a vein or anything like that. Make sure no blood goes in there, just pull back a second, and you're good to go. You know, uh I mean, because the you know, you can you can hit a vein, it's possible. Don't do it, it's not good.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, don't do that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, don't do that. It's it's not good. But you know, it's it's not giving shots is very easy, and the more you do it, the more adept you'll get at it, and you'll be you'll be like, like, oh shots, no big deal, you know, and that but you just kind of be prepared on that. As far as like no really, you know, some medications are an IM shot, you know, some some uh tranquilizing shots are an I am shot, you know, all all of that, you know. And that that's gonna that's gonna have a that's gonna be a little bit more of a bite, and you gotta be a little quicker on that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. All right, so let's talk about worm. How often are we worming? What are we worming with? What does that look like?
SPEAKER_00So how often you worm and where what you're worming with, again, what's your location? What are what are the what are the challenges in your area? Are you going to, you know, are you keeping your adult dogs worm? You know, a stronger or pyrantal is really good for you know for hooks and rounds. You know, that's a you know, and that that's an easy, easy wormer. It's kind of the kind of banana flavor. They don't fight it, they don't hate it. And you can turn Around and do that uh just for hooks around. You know, tapeworms, of course, would be like from fleas. That's gonna that's gonna be uh a droncet or a drontal type of thing. You shouldn't be having that with your baby puppies, pretty rare. But the uh unless you have fleas, yeah. Unless you have fleas. And of course, welcome to Texas. You know, our fleas die of natural causes in old age. But the uh but you know, if you go ahead and you know, you know, worm everybody at you know six weeks and eight weeks, you know, you should be fine. I remember one time we had a uh, you know, since we were kind of like pretty ahead of the game, we haven't had puppy with with intestinal worms in a long time. I took a couple of foster puppies for for someone who had lost their bitch, put them on my bitch. Never really occurred to me that those puppies would be wormy. And then all of a sudden I noticed, look over there, and I uh I got a round worm on my, you know, put laying out a little piece of pasta, and I'm like going, oh my gosh, you know, from putting those puppies that had were born with had intestinal worms in with my litter. Now my bitch and all the puppies now had worms. And so when I went through and I wormed them repeatedly, and it was it was like a horror film. I mean, there was worms hanging from the wall, you know, it was extra special nice. So uh, moral of the story, you know, uh, anytime you bring in another dog, add a dog to your circumstance. Because, you know, you don't think, you know, even though like when you're bringing in an adult dog, you go, well, I'm gonna go ahead and, you know, I'm gonna make sure it has shots, I'm gonna make sure it's been worn. You don't think of little baby puppies with their eyes still closed in a basket. You don't really think of them as being the carriers of this.
SPEAKER_01Infectious diseases, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they were like the little monkeys from outbreak. And they, you know, we had globs, you know, and I rewormed those puppies like four or five times, and the mom over and over again, because then she's had worms in her system. And once it once they've had that like that, when you breed them, you probably should be aggressively worming them again. Round worms will mostly just make your puppies poor. They'll get like pot-bellied and their coat will get thin and they'll look fat on the bottom, but they'll be bony on the top. Hookworms, they pull, they pull uh their blood, and they'll get like when you lift up their gums, they'll have they'll be pale gummed and they'll they'll you know, your puppies will suffer from anemia from hookworms.
SPEAKER_01So about heartworm prevention, because that's all different too, right?
SPEAKER_00Again, depending as to where you live, you know, there's several good uh kinds of treatment preventative type stuff. So like our little dogs that are mostly inside, you know, like in the on the you know, south, mid-south type thing, you know, a lot of us will do heartworm preventative through the summer months, not those through the fall months, because remember, it's carried from mosquitoes. You know, you usually have to be a water-based, a water mosquito-y situation, and then you have to have heartworm positive dogs to give it to those dogs. I mean, it's super prevalent down through Louisiana and down through the south. Very common. You know, you can we're on the cusp where we live in Texoma. You could get it, it's not common. Like Samson, the Pyrenees, who's lived outside for 10 years, hadn't slept inside in his whole life. You know, I did a heartworm test on him. Clear, no problem. And now he had earlike from having had ticks, which is really there's nothing you can put to make him run him on a little bit of doxycycling, but you know, but he had had no heartworm. So there you go. But you can you can do several different kinds, you know, heart guard. They have a they have a once-a-month tablet, they have uh they have a three-month tablet called brevecto, which is for heart, heartworm, and flea antich prevention all at one. If you're on a budget and you're doing multiple dogs, you can mix up ivermectin and get and give that orally, you know, but you need to do it. You have to be like on it. And, you know, what they used to do is like one cc of ivermectin to nine cc's of sterile dilute, and then they would say one cc of the mixture per like 55 pounds, you know, blah, blah, blah. That's kind of a rough thing on that. You could give ivermectin as heart, you know, and if you were in a low exposure area, that'd probably be okay for you. Now, one thing that the other day we had a placement dog go through that was getting a rehomed dog, and that dog was from the uh deep south, and a dog tested positive for heartworm, older dog, and there's a couple of different ways of treating heartworm. You can do the uh the rapid treatment where they go ahead and uh they just they it's a spinal injection and it kills everything, and they have to do, you know, crate rest of the dog and blah, blah, blah, blah. Uh that's several thousand dollars. Or you can do what they call the slow kill method, where they put them on like doxycycline and and they start them on heartworm preventative. So, what the heartworm preventative will do is it will kill the new heartworms as they're being born. And the adult heartworms will age out and die. So usually for if you have a dog that's got had this heartworm positive, and you were to start them on that, usually with within a year they'll test uh clear. You know, so you know, there you can that that's a lot of people, you know, when when I used to work at the Greyhound track as a kid, that's the dogs that come up from Florida, they'd they'd start them on ivermectin and you know, to you know, get them clear of heartworm. But it's you know, you need to kind of do a little research and a little, you know, thought up. But if you bring a dog in from, you know, especially from the south, doesn't hurt. You know, I we just ordered heartworm tests the other day. Pretty pretty cool little test. It's about like about like a COVID test, and it's just a a drop of uh a drop of blood spun down pretty fast. Wow, that's easy. Yeah. This way, it's actually kind of fun. It's a kind of fun test.
SPEAKER_01And so then what about like flea and tick? Like, is like something like Frontline Plus once a month good? Or does breve something like that every three months?
SPEAKER_00Well, brevecto, it kind of depends how rich you are. If you've got like walled money, you probably could go ahead and be uh pulling down the brevecto. That's that's pretty that's pretty high-end stuff there. But you know, for like the rest of us, you know, getting the you know, like the frontline plus or you know, whatever the knockoff kind, you know, and then get for the big dogs, get for the Samson size, and then draw it up. And there was a syringe and then it's doing it, you know, breaking them out. That's uh probably the most economical way, you know. I'd I do the frontline plus. We don't have so many fleas where we're at. I'm pretty rare for fleas, but we do have some prize-winning ticks, you know. So, you know, as far as that goes, it you kind of know your area, and some areas are all year round. If you can grow a banana tree in in your yard, you probably should give flea and tick uh you know prevention all year round. Like for us, we do it over the summertime. That's when they that's when we can get it. You know, uh usually like someone will come running in from the yard and they'll have a tick stuck right between their eyes and you'll go, Yeah. For the first tick of spring. How lovely.
SPEAKER_01Here we go. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Here we go. So, you know, start training. When you do that, when you do that, go ahead and go ahead and you know, have them have them be bathed and all that, you know, because be nice if after you treated them you didn't wash them for like a week, you know. So have them clean and then go ahead and and you know figure out the weight on it and stuff. Like for a cavalier, I use about half a CC for you know, half to three quarters of a CC on that, and a big cavalier, maybe a full CC. But and then you know, just do you know, just figure out your day that you're gonna do it. And on dogs with show coat or if they have a jacket, you know, with their coat on the on the back that you're showing, flip them over and do it on their breastbone. So it doesn't mess up, like you know, if you have your chin with a pretty top coat and all that, don't put those drops there on that. Get flip them over, get it on their belly and stuff in case it case they lose any hair or if it does any discoloration, it won't be like right on the top of their of their uh shoulder blades. Yeah. But like your kennel dogs, your dog, your yard dogs, right there. You're fine. Squirt it on the skin and just let it be. Let it go. Yep.
SPEAKER_01And that's even something where it's like you could do that if you like with your show dogs, like you know, give them a brevecto and then be good for three months. You don't have to worry about the hair or anything like that if that's a route you want to go. I think you have to get it at from the vet, though, is where frontline you can get like at Walmart and stuff, but exactly. Exactly. It's just a money thing.
SPEAKER_00It's just a money thing, you know.
SPEAKER_01Ease of access and money. I can get frontline delivered to my door with Walmart, you know. But that's pretty sweet. You know, but then again, you know, my daughter works at a vet.
SPEAKER_00I can have her just bring it home too, you know? Bam. You you've got inside information, you know. Yeah, and you know, you kind of like one thing that always kind of I I'm always kind of amazed with when we're talking about parasite protection, you know, have to be kind of realistic as to your exposure. You know, so you put the you put the front line on the dog, and it's basically gonna kill what's on the dog, they're gonna die. And the longer it goes out to the end of this period, of its of effective period, it's gonna work a little less as it gets further out and a little further up. If your situation is a continual reinfestation as these are dropping off, these are jumping on, you're always gonna have fleas. So you need to eradicate uh the exposure. You know, I mean the front line and stuff, magic stuff. Uh, it used to be in the olden days, you know, when all you could do to protect your animals is dip. That was nasty and horrible, you know, and flea spray and flea combs and uh yeah. Yeah. This that the flea prevention is like the is like the second best thing for toilet paper on the roll. I mean, as far as like making life better. So get, you know, using that, you know, using that, you but also figure out how much exposure. So do you need to spray your yard? Do you need to treat the area that you're keeping them in? Do you need to, you know, change the where they're going? Because they're gonna, if there's a continual reinfestation, it's not like there's a force field around the the animals. You know, at the grooming shop, people would always come in and say, it used to work, now it doesn't work anymore. It's always worked, but you've got so damn many fleas in your house on your carpet that they're just jumping back on as fast as you're killing them. The dog doesn't have like a force field around it, you know, they're still gonna be able to get on them, but they're gonna they're gonna die. And the closer we're into the you know, the the stronger it is. So take a look at the whole situation. Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01All right, Cindy wants to talk about kennel or crate tags, like how what needs to be on a tag? She and she's meaning for inside her kennel, not like traveling to a dog show or anything like that, but how to identify, like if AKC were coming in and doing an inspection in an inspection, what are we putting on our note cards or what how are we labeling our kennels and identifying our dogs? What needs to be on that?
SPEAKER_00Super good question. I thought we were when you're saying crate tags, I was gonna think I was gonna punt that back over to you and just say, you make crate, you've made crate tags. I'm so I'm so chip uh cheap, I take duct tape and write Ralph on the crate. It's like there you go, it's Ralph's crate. And Ralph doesn't go to shows anymore, just pull that off and put another piece of tape, Steve. But but the crate card, the crate cards, cage cards, are really important for, especially for litters of puppies and dogs that are not yet microchipped. You know, so if you because you on there, you can put mother, father, you know, date of birth. When so Jane fills out our of our as soon as the litter is born, she puts down for the for the pro guard treatment, the six, eight, ten, twelve weeks, she puts all shots on. She'll put on there at eight weeks, begin to have mom stay away for the entire day at this date. You know, all of that.
SPEAKER_01Some kind of pre-does everything of like, we need a shot on this date. So then, you know, like when that date's arriving, like you see on there, like, oh, this dog needs a shot next week. Okay, cool.
SPEAKER_00Right. You walk through every week and go, This week I need to do this, this, and this. You know, change it up on that. Because I mean, it it's it's kind of kind of, and one thing is kind of kind of nice. You can get those little tiny clipboards for like a Dollar Tree or whatever, and you put your recipe cards or whatever kind of card you want to use on there, and you can have all of that pertinent information for the litter. You know, that those are those are pretty pretty handy. I know like, you know, like at the at the dog shows, they want you to start having your phone number and contact number. Like if you have a a crated dog at the show and they need to get a hold of you, you know, your your number and all that's on there, that that's your kennel kegs, mostly for your dogs that are not yet microchipped and stuff. Or if if you have kennel help coming that needs to put this one back here and put that one there, because it's really important that you kind of get those, because sometimes people are like, well, I got them back in a crate and I got the door shut. Isn't that good enough? Well, not really, because you know, some crates might, some dogs might be I'm gonna have him in that crate because he likes to run out the door. I'm gonna put him in the in a ground floor crate because this one will jump into your arms, and if you're not ready, it's gonna come. So if you can get the and if you have bitches that are in heat and you put the stud dog in their crate, they might just pee their guts out. You know, all of those things, you know. So if you can get them back into the right, you know, kenneling apartment crate type situation, it it will go, it'll behoove you, it'll make your life better. And you can kind of like, you know, especially if you have kennel help. If you have somebody that's gonna come in and take care of your dogs for you, it does that does really help. I mean, you know where they're going, but you know, if someone says the black and white male chin, well, that narrowed it down, you know, no. Right. Between between these six, you know.
SPEAKER_01Or it's even like, you know, so like right now how I have things labeled because I have I have puppies that aren't chipped yet from two different litters, and they have them all together, you know. So it's like I have tags on the kennels or on the on the pen, you know, that says, you know, tri-colored female, parents, date of birth, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then black and white female, parents, date of birth. So it's like they're still identifiable if AKC were to come in, you know, if like this puppy goes. Or if you had to this puppy goes there, or I need to, or anybody in, you know, McKenna or somebody in the family needs to do something because I'm not here. And it's like, you can still identify the puppy differently, but and even in the like breeder toolkit, AKC has a section where you can when you're looking at one of your dogs, you can hit create crate tag, and you can kind of create one and it gives some of that information. It uses a whole sheet of paper though. So come on, AKC, we can get this note card size, but you know, and it it has, you know, it's like it has probably too much information because it's like, oh, here's the breed of the dog. And, you know, here's here's all this. It's like probably don't need really the breed of the dog, but it does have like microchip, call name, register name, registration number, sex, date of birth, parents, things like that.
SPEAKER_00You know, I I've done I've done similar stuff with using chat GPT. It just told them what I need, you know, and you know, hey chat, I want it to be four by six, this and that, blah, blah, blah. And uh one thing that like if you have a dog on there, I might not put the whole microchip down, but if you put the last three or four numbers, that that that could probably get you there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, when you scan it and it pops up on your you know, on a scanner and the last four match, probably fine.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. You're good. You're good. Statistically speaking, you're in the clear. So, you know, that's that's uh because for my for like when we're gone and if I have litters of puppies that moms have to be put out, I'll put the the moms along with who she's bred to and when and all that. Put her last four digits down so you can if they have a question, because the wrong mom will eventually end up getting put in there. And some breeds are totally cool with that. Cavaliers, they're like, Woo-hoo, I got new babies. They're you know, chin, they're like, I don't think so. And other breeds are a lot of work, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Other breeds, they might just eat them. So have having that uh having that little identification thing in there, that might be a really good thing.
SPEAKER_01I've seen different styles of it too, just you know, dealing with different people. I've seen some people just use note cards and a and a clothespin on the crate. I've seen like little whiteboards, I've seen little clipboards, I've seen cattle ear tags, you know, that get hung and marked. And you know, so there's like you kind of just got to be creative and and kind of figure out what works for you if you're a you know, bright colored type of person, you want to see the color, or you know, as like Meredith's like, oh, we could get pink ones for the girls and then blue ones for the boys, and then you don't have to put the sex down because you're just doing color coordinated, and it's like seems like extra stuff to buy and extra things to have, you know, and we could just have a white card and put male or female, or you know, but you know, it's just like whatever works.
SPEAKER_00Stop being the killer of dreams, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, yeah. You give and take.
SPEAKER_00It's it's all about that's right.
SPEAKER_01All right. Those are the two things that we really wanted to hit on that we wanted to deep dive on, and we are a little time crunched today, so we will wrap the episode up with that at 45 minutes. Nice little episode for everybody out there. On a side note, we did see our first snake today, so Meredith is ready to burn the house down and move, you know. Yeah, burn it all to the ground because there was a snake.
SPEAKER_00So, yeah, that last summer Jane had a we had a really we had a snake episode incident. So we had a snake that over by the garden hose by the by the koi pond, and uh we went ahead and disposed of the snake. Well, I thought it looked like a water moccasin or cotton mouth, whatever you want to call. And uh, but I'm not an expert on snakes. I just know I odds are poisonous, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I hate them all. About the same, you know. Right, yeah. So she goes ahead and sends it into the poisonous snake group. Is this a such and such? And uh then they're like, Yes, that is a cotton mouth. Oh my god, did you kill it? You didn't you killed it? You know, and she had to go off of the list because they had kind of like put a fatwa on her because she had killed the snake. So if you go on to those things and the snake is dead and you want to identify it, blame your neighbor. My neighbor killed this. I wonder what it might be. So because otherwise they're gonna come after you and be hating on you for not relocating this, you know, poison potential potentially poisonous. Or boy, and they're really poisonous.
SPEAKER_01I mean, or you could like you know, take a photo of it, put it in the chat, ask chat what it is, you know, and it's just you know, maybe. Chat doesn't have any judgment.
SPEAKER_00Chat doesn't judge. They don't care if you kill it or not, no. The the poisonous snakes group, they have a lot of judgment.
SPEAKER_01All right. We answered some questions for some people. So next week we're gonna try to get Show Chair on and to talk about dog shows and numbers involved with those. So we're gonna push really hard to get that going on next week. So make sure you're subscribed and stay tuned for more. All right. We will talk to you guys all next week. Have a great day now. Bye bye.
