She Left Everything to Chase the American Dream w/ Verginiya Burgess

Sometimes the life you're meant to build looks nothing like the one you planned.

When Verginiya Burgess left Bulgaria shortly after high school, she wasn't chasing entrepreneurship. She came to America after her grandparents sold their home to fund her education, carrying the weight of their sacrifice and the determination to make their investment worthwhile. What followed was a journey through science, medicine, unexpected disappointment, and ultimately discovering a completely different calling.

In this episode, Verginiya shares how growing up in communist Eastern Europe shaped her work ethic, why a successful career in medical technology still left her feeling empty, and how her search for light and purpose eventually grew into a wellness business centered on helping others feel seen, supported, and cared for. She also opens up about overcoming her fear of being visible as the face behind her business and what success truly means to her today.

This episode will inspire you to embrace the unexpected turns in your own journey and trust that sometimes the biggest detours lead you exactly where you're meant to be.

Connect with Verginiya:

Espa Esthetics & Wellness - https://espa-wellness.com/

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/espa.esthetics.wellness/

Chapters:

00:40 Leaving Bulgaria to Chase a Bigger Dream

03:40 Why She Hid Behind Her Business 

07:40 The Pressure to Succeed

11:40 Growing Up in Eastern Europe

17:20 Discovering a Passion for Medicine

19:40 Why Her Dream Career Wasn't Enough

23:00 Finding Light Through Holistic Wellness

25:30 Building a Business Without a Master Plan

29:20 Redefining Success

32:10 Creating the Wellness Collective

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Hey there, and welcome to Business Over Cocktails. I'm Laura Najar, your host and hype woman, bringing you real talk about entrepreneurship. This is the podcast where we dive into the bold whys, the messy middles, and the game-changing aha moments that lead to success. You'll hear unfiltered stories from entrepreneurs plus bite-sized solo episodes inside the Business Chaser series, where we cut through the noise and get straight to what actually drives sales, visibility, and growth. So whether you're here to get fired up or finally feel seen in your business journey, pull up a seat, pour your favorite drink, and let's have a real conversation. Hi everyone, welcome back to Business Over Cocktails. I'm Laura Najar, your host of this podcast. And today I'm talking to Virginia Burgess. She is the owner and founder of S-Spa Aesthetics, which is a spa here local in Northwest Indiana. And I am excited because we recently connected this year, and I am just so interested in learning more about your story and asking questions. And I'm excited for this conversation. And so something that Virginia shared with me before I hit record is like she likes the unscriptedness. And so, like, I'm like, yes, that's what this podcast is all about. So I'm excited to talk more about your story, Virginia, and then learn more about you. So thank you for coming on. Of course.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Thank you so much. I'm truly honored to be part of the podcast because I know about your story, and it's truly inspiring. So being here with you today, it's really, really an honor for me. So thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

Thank you so much. I'm so appreciative of you too and our connection. And so I mentioned the business that you run, but can you tell us a little bit more about what your business stands for?

SPEAKER_01 2:02

So good question, because that's been the question all along. We actually recently went through rebranding and the brand message and answering a lot of questions to get to the point to actually answer the main question of what the business stands about. And I don't think there's one particular thing that is stands for it. Now I'm realizing that my business is like a mixture of so many things that come together to actually make it what it is, because it's a reflection of who I am and a reflection of what I stand for and belief in. So it's a very intricate mixture of holistic wellness backed with scientific methods or old-world traditional methods, aesthetics. It's it's a little bit of everything, and as you know, as trivial as that sounds, because everybody nowadays wants to be an expert in everything. So that's that's not my goal, that's not my point. I don't wanna be an expert in all these things. I just want to marry these things together and kind of create an atmosphere that's very supportive, very accessible, and something that is not a luxury, something that I can feel we're a place that people just come in and feel comfortable and feel like themselves. So there's not really an answer to that question. It kind of depends on who you are and what you need, and that's how you take it when you come into the business.

SPEAKER_00 3:43

I love what you said because it's not just one thing. It's you're representing a lot of different things and a lot of different reasons, and you are accepting of a lot of different people and backgrounds. So I think like that in of itself is that's what you really are representing of everything. Real quick, what is something most people don't know about you?

SPEAKER_01 4:06

There's probably a lot of things people don't know about me because for the longest time I tried to hide my face and hide who's behind the business, and kind of I have that side of shyness and just you know staying in the background and like not letting people know who I am or who's the owner, or for me, my personal life was my personal life. There was a side of me and there was a side of the business, and I wanted to keep that strictly separate. I felt like business is business or work is work, and then what we what happens in my life, it's totally separate. So that for the longest time was not out there. And then I had somebody that showed up one day as a client and they asked me, Why are you not out there? Why are you not showing your face? How come we cannot find out who runs it, what your idea is, like anything about you? And it made me think, like maybe I should. So I put my picture out there on the website. They actually recommended a lot of other things, like LinkedIn, and you know, write out your whole bio and like connect yourself with the business because you are the business. And I'm like, no, I'm not. Like everybody that is there is the business. Everybody that put a little bit of peace into building it is the business. Our clients are the business. So I kind of felt like, mmm, that's not me. But then I realized that people wanted to know that. So I put my picture on the website, and then sometimes people would show up and like ask me, are you the owner? And I'm like, I'm one of the managers. Or I would just kind of for me, it wasn't a moment of pride. For me, it was like, oh my gosh, now I'm put on the spot. I don't know what they're gonna say, I don't know what they're gonna ask me. Maybe it's gonna be something negative, maybe it's gonna be something, you know, it's just scary for me. So, like I said, I I put that away from the business. But now I'm trying to step in more into the business side of things, is me, the owner, and I'm open to to talk about who I am, what people don't know about me. So to go back to your question, I am actually I'm very involved in the Northwest Indiana life and and everything. And you know, I've been here for many years now, but I'm actually not a native. I grew up in Europe, Eastern Europe, to be exact, in the little country Bulgaria. So maybe that's what people don't know about me. It's a long path of me growing up, coming here, you know, building all of this kind of it it's a path that it's not what I envisioned, it's not what I had planned. It's a path that took a little detours and took uh a lot of curves and turns for me to get to where I am. But what people don't know about me is probably that part. They're like, I came from a different world. I came here to chase the American dream. I had to go through a lot of struggles from childhood when I was in communist, you know, country and background to coming here with literally nothing, you know, putting myself through school and all of those things. So that's something that's maybe a little bit different than most people and how they start. I'm not saying I'm the only one, but that's something that I haven't openly shared as part of who I am, but I think that's what made me who I am today.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

Yeah, I, you know, from our connection, I know that you didn't grow up here. So that was new to me. I didn't know that you were from Bulgaria, so that's super interesting to know. So at what age did you then come over here?

SPEAKER_01 7:56

I came right after high school. And the reason why I came is because I wanted something different. It was right after the communist regime had, you know, just gone away, and Bulgaria was becoming more open to travel and people exploring different options. So when I saw that, I was like, oh my gosh, I have to do something. Like, I just wanted to do something different. And I know a lot of my friends and everybody that we went to school together pursued their paths in Bulgaria. But for me, I just wanted to do something different because I saw the opportunity and I was like, the farther, the better. I just want to see how far I can go as far as distance. I wasn't thinking about, you know, building anything or just creating something or doing something that I hadn't necessarily in mind. I just wanted to make my family proud because I come from a background of people who are highly educated and you know, just they have certain success in that area. But I saw that that wasn't being realized the way it should have been in my country. So I wanted to show them that there's more and I can build on that and do things where, you know, education and effort and hard work is actually being appreciated. And I just want to make them proud by doing something that's, you know, that's gonna be meaningful.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

I love that. And I think that's just that's such a unique story because it's definitely not easy to do, even if it isn't where, you know, I resonate with a lot of the things that you said of, you know, just thinking differently, thinking outside of the box, not going with like the norms of like what you're supposed to do. I did not immigrate to another country. I was born here. So I can't imagine what it's like to leave everything that you know and go to a different country. So from what I hear, you came here then by yourself. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_01 10:00

Yes, I came by myself. My grandparents actually had to sell their house to fund my education. Because as an international student, especially back then, I'm not sure how things are now, but we had no right to work while we were studying. We had to pay for our education, which was triple the amount of um traditional students. So it wasn't easy, and just the fact that they had to sell their house for me to come study here and pursue my dream. I had that burden and I I always had that on the back of my head that I cannot fail. I cannot, no matter what, I have to do something to to kind of show them not only that I care and that I'm gonna be that person to to turn that potential into something, but also maybe give back to them, give back to somebody, just give back to show how appreciative I was of their efforts to support me in my crazy dream.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

That's so beautiful. Oh, that's such a wonderful, that's such a wonderful sentiment. And I would see that as well, right? Like if someone did that for me, there could be no amount of pressure that I could put on myself to like make sure that I like made them proud. So I completely understand that. Where do you think that drive comes from? Because again, this is not a common thing. It's a very difficult thing to do, especially immigrating to another country and especially by yourself, especially as a as someone who is a young adult, still pretty much a child. You came here by yourself. Where do you think that drive or just like thinking outside of the box, where do you think that comes from?

SPEAKER_01 11:48

I don't think that's I don't know, maybe it's intrinsic, maybe it's something that we grew up with in the society and the norms that we had back then. I think that's what it is, actually, because now that I think about it, everybody in Eastern Europe back then, at least, I'm not sure how it is now, it's probably changed, but everybody was so competitive. Everybody had that drive to be the best, to do the best, to just succeed in whatever they they put their their mind to. So I think that's part of it. And the other part is just my family and how I grew up and how there's no way of like you are not allowed to fail. You were just not allowed. I was very surprised when I first came here and went to my son's soccer games. And at the end of the games, I'm like, okay, so who won? Because I, you know, like it used to have to keep score, and you would ask questions like who won? Who's the winner? And they're like, Oh, we don't keep like there's no score, and like we don't care, they did a good job. And I'm like, What? Like, how can you not keep score? There's gotta be a winner for us, even as little kids, that was always like we were pushed so hard. There was nobody telling us good job. There were people telling us, oh my gosh, how can you do that? Like, that was horrible. And that like for the longest time I did that to my son too, which may be a little bit too much, but I think that that makes you tough. That like that negative feedback and that just like constant reminder of like you didn't do good enough, you should do better, you can do better, is what drives you and what pushes you forward. Now I'm learning how to tone that down and and maybe say good job sometimes. You know, I I'm learning to appreciate even the little things and the the things that are not perfect, the things that are not great, just the things that that come from love and and care and and you know, it's just like everyday things. So maybe sometimes you should say good job, or you know, thank you for the little things. So yeah. But I think that's that's where the drive comes from. It's just a cultural thing.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

You know, it's I love that you're saying that. So my ethnicity for the most part is Eastern European as well. So I have mainly Polish in me. Think of like 50% Polish. And then I have some Russian, some Slovak in there, some German. So a lot of European countries, but definitely mainly Polish. And some of the things that you're saying to me right now, I think of my grandpa, and he 100% Polish. Um, he was not from Poland, he was born here. His parents actually, I think, came from Poland when they were younger. So my great-grandparents. But some of the things you're saying to me, he, you know, he came to our basketball games, he came to our softball games, and he was especially hard on me. And I'm not sure why. Between myself and my sister, we're only 14 months apart, but I'm the oldest one. And he was always really hard on me for whatever reason. I think I was a pretty good player. I played basketball and I played softball. And just like some of the things that you're saying to me right now, I can hear his voice. And he like would almost get thrown out of our like elementary school basketball games because he would be yelling at the ref and he would be cursing in Polish. And so yeah, it was super interesting when you were talking about that. So and my mom, so my that was my dad's, that was my mom's dad. So on my mom's side, my mom had that headstrong kind of vibe as well. And I definitely was never, you know, again, never good enough, can always do better. Like I was always expected to, you know, have the highest stats on our softball team. My mom was our softball coach. And so like I never, I guess, thought that that could have been a cultural thing because I think growing up, like, we weren't really, you know, we definitely I know that there are some families here that celebrate their heritage more, even though they were born here. And we definitely weren't that kind of a family where we had a lot of Polish, you know, traditions and things like that. I know that there are families that do that. So for me, my ethnic background has never been a huge thing for me. But now that you're saying it, I'm just curious. I'm wondering if that really is like a European thing of like being that headstrong and competitive. And so that's super interesting to me. Like again, when you were talking about that, it's I was like hearing my grandpa. And like I haven't, he's not someone that I hear uh in my head ever. Like, especially, you know, he's been gone now, I think almost 10 years. It's been like eight or nine years. So like I definitely have not heard his voice in a really long time. But I feel his presence right now for sure.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

I definitely think so, yeah. Yeah. I think that's a big part of just the heritage. And sometimes it's ingrained in you, ingrained, and you you cannot help it. I mean, don't get me wrong. We do have a lot of we show a lot of affection. We're very affectionate and we do show love, especially to our children. Our children are babied till till they get married, probably. So there's that part too. There there is that the loving connection of hugging and like even kissing, I'm sure you know Europeans kiss more than they hug. Even when we meet, we give each other kisses on the cheek instead of hugs. So we're very affectionate, but we're also very stern and kind of, you know, straight to the point. You have to do this, you you gotta do better, you gotta do best, actually. So yeah, it's it's a weird mixture of both of those.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

So you mentioned earlier when you were talking about like, you know, having the spa wasn't like the plan, or you know, that wasn't the goal. So when you did come over here, obviously you went to school, but what did you like aspire to be initially?

SPEAKER_01 17:53

So I went to school. I actually went to school in Michigan first. Then we moved here, so I transferred to Purdue. And I was even from in Bulgaria back home, our high school was preparatory for medical professionals. So it was always about biology and chemistry and those sciences. So I always knew I had a passion for doing something in medicine, not necessarily the traditional medicine. For some reason, I kind of wanted to like look behind the scenes and see how processes work, like what happens. Like it was fascinating for me to find answers to questions. So I explore different types of professions, and I really wanted to be that scientist that find those answers. So what I actually, my degree in from Purdue is medical technology. So I found out that this is actually the profession that's gonna give me that, it's gonna be my passion because that's what uh answers all these questions. You literally, all you do throughout your job is just finding answers of certain things, whether it's a disease or condition or something. When the doctor has questions, he directs those to you because you're the one giving the answers to the doctor, and then he relates those to the patient. So that was like I found the thing that I wanted to do, and I had so much passion for, which actually changed afterwards. It took a different turn, but like at the time that was it. Like I found what I wanted to do, I found what it was because I was searching for, I didn't know what it was. I I knew it wasn't a doctor, I knew it wasn't a pharmacist, I knew it wasn't like on the front lines. I wanted to be more, and again, we're going back to the thing, me wanting to be on the back side of things, you know, creating and answering and just doing all that, but without my face being exposed. So I found it and I learned a lot and I seen a lot. It was it was very rewarding, but then I found out other things about that profession, and that's when things took a turn.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

So, how did you arrive to the decision of like wanting to open a spa then?

SPEAKER_01 20:12

So it was it was a slow process. I don't think it was a realized decision. It's it it was kind of an organic process. It was a combination of several different things. So when I started working in molecular biology in the lab, running tests and and doing all these things, that was my passion, that was what I wanted to do. I kind of started realizing that I'm not happy. And there were several different factors like that incorporated me not being happy. First of all, I compared medicine and what I was doing to what I knew as medicine back home. So back home, you get sick, you go to the doctor, he tells you, try herbal teas, try salt water, dip your feet in in hot water, do this, go in nature, breathe fresh air, do mineral baths, do light therapy, do all these things. And if that doesn't help, come back, we'll give you antibiotic, or we'll look further, we'll see what it is. I did not see that here. I saw medicine as we all know medicine. With the prescriptions, with the testing, with the doctors kind of not believing in the holistic methods and anything that's not under the umbrella of Western medicine. So that kind of was mind-boggling for me, but you know, I accepted it. And then the other thing is when I started working in the lab, it was literally so depressing for me, physically and mentally. I was working what they call graveyard shifts, so third shift throughout the night. There were no windows, I did not see daylight. It was dark and it was I don't want to say cold, even though I always try. To turn up the thermostat, but it was dark and cold. I never saw the daylight. I never saw my son. And he was in elementary school at the time. And I think all of this was getting to me. And on top of everything, I was dealing with diagnosis of pretty bad diseases. And you know, you learn about the symptoms. You learn about things you should look for. So I've had so many instances where I saw those symptoms in my son, and I took him to the doctor, and I was like, he has this, he's dying. This is, you know, it's bad. And some of those times I was right. Like I knew the doctors, like, oh my gosh, yes, these are those symptoms. Let's test for this and this. But you know, disease doesn't always read the book. It was something completely different, but just because I knew what to look for, I was constantly looking for. I was constantly trying to subconsciously to find something that wasn't even there. So at some point I was like, wait a minute, that that is not it. I know so for so long I strived to do this and I wanted to do this, and that was my passion, but I don't think that's it. There's gotta be something else, there's gotta be a way for me to do what I like, but not in this type of atmosphere because I was making myself crazy. I was subjecting my my son and my family to all these crazy ideas that were always coming to me. And I was stuck in that kind of dark place physically and mentally, and I just needed to find the light. So I know I'm babbling a lot, but like trying to explain all that. So for me, it wasn't a realization of like, okay, I want to do this type of business. This is what I want to do. I'm gonna build this and I'm gonna name it this. I have a plan. No, it kind of happened naturally and organically because I I wanted to and I needed to find that light. I needed a window. The lab has no windows. I don't know if you know, but like most hospitals, the laboratory is in the basement. So even if you work during the day, you still don't see sunlight. So I needed that light, and I needed that window that was gonna be my escape. So I started going back to the natural medicine that I knew from back home, and I started taking different classes. I started just exploring more options. I got certified in alternative and complementary medicine. I took energy classes, got certified as uh Reiki practitioner. So many different things that actually broadened my horizons and showed me that yes, you can still do traditional medicine and you can do both Eastern and Western medicine. You can explore the old world methods and couple those up with the medicine as we know it. So there is a way to do both. And also there is a way to be part of this, and that's where it ended on me, and I was like, okay, maybe I should do something with that, like incorporate that in my practice or in my lifestyle, in my life, and that's where the idea of opening up a spa came. I wasn't sure what exactly it was called or is gonna be called then, if it's gonna be spa, a wellness center. We actually went through a couple of different renamings as far as like what it is. We started with holistic spa. Back then, more than 10 years ago, people didn't know what holistic truly means. Then, since we were so little, we went to boutique spa, but that kind of sounded too like a little boutique store, flashy and kind of not what we were standing for. Then we just went to Day Spa, and that didn't quite fit what I had envisioned. So then now we are aesthetics and wellness because I think that's a true representation of what we do and what we stand for. It's the true wellness and aesthetics that comes with that wellness. So that that's how it was all born. It was just kind of a again, me taking that path, but taking reroutes and different turns and corners to bring me here. Not necessarily, I have an idea, let's get there.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

You know, I love I love that story because from the get-go, it sounds like you were impact-driven, mission-driven, where I think that sometimes and a lot of times with entrepreneurs, I think, at least for me, I I want to create that impact, but I I'm never really sure how I want to create that impact. And think with a lot of entrepreneurs, you just might want to start a business, but your purpose is also kind of like blurry and you're not sure. But it just sounds like from the get-go, from your just like the vision and the purpose and your story, like it didn't matter like if you were starting a business or finding your path. It just kind of all, or like you said, organically led you to starting a business. So I wanted to ask you this question, but I think I know the answer. Did you ever, up until this point, did you ever think you would be an entrepreneur and a business owner?

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Um, no, that was never, again, that was never a thought or an idea, or I never strived to do that. Even now, when people ask me what I do, I think about it, and I never say I'm entrepreneur. I'm like, I do scheduling, I do payroll, I'm hands-on, I do like what am I? Like, I'm a little bit of everything. I don't like to call myself entrepreneur or business owner because that has a different meaning. And a job title for me, it's not realized fulfillment. A job title is just a title. It's one of those things that I can be many things at the same time. It's like how I feel on the inside, what I am. So yeah, I never thought I'll be that. I didn't know what I was gonna be. Even when I was coming here, I knew I had passion for something, but that didn't put a title on it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

So as far as like the title, right? And I kind of feel the same way too. I for layman's terms and for ease of understanding what it is that I do, I always how I introduce myself is I say I'm a business coach first, and that's truly what I started out to be. But I think that when you think of the term business coach, that's just not what I do because I feel like I do so many other things, and obviously I do so many other things. And I also think entrepreneur is such a generalized term as well, because I am like kind of like you, I'm so hands-on. And I, you know, I think a coach, how you characterize a coach is you stand by the sidelines, and you're not the one out there helping a soccer team catch the ball. You're coaching them from the sidelines. Same thing with any sport, any kind of thing. The traditional act of coaching is just asking the right questions and guiding someone, where I do a lot more than that. And so I think if I throw in the terms like strategist and mentor and marketer and things like that, like I can kind of go across the board and say, like, yeah, I'm all of these things because I do all of those things at any given point. And so then I also struggle. And I think it's because I am multi-passionate and I am impact-driven. And however, I need to get to that place, I'm going to try and do it and whatever my path takes me. But a lot of times, too, if you don't have those specifics, it's hard to measure success, I feel. And I'm curious then, for you, how do you celebrate or measure success? Like, yes, we can talk about the data and the money and everything else, but when things organically happen like this, I feel like it's hard to be like, okay, like when is it good? Right. So, how do you measure success or what does that look like for you? Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

Well, I think there's two parts of success for me personally. But I'm sure, like you mentioned something about sitting on the sidelines. So I'm sure for you, when you're out there in the game, it's so much more different, like you said, than sitting on the sidelines, correct? So I think that's the first part for me, just being out there, being involved in seeing the results when you're actively part of something, not just directing or like you said, coaching, even though that's being misrepresented, misimpered, like you said. So success for me is transferring that happiness and that the light that I was searching for, that brightness, that happiness that I was searching for, and that's that started the whole process that was so selfish in the beginning. Now I realize that selfishness brought me to that point because you know how they say you cannot make people happy if you're not happy. I realize that now, actually, that I'm saying that. I never thought about it. But that selfish drive and that selfish search of happiness brought me to that point for me to be happy, to be able to give that and to help people search and find their happiness, their light, what they're looking for, their comfort. So now every time I see it in my clients and the people that come in and the people that I talk to, even if it's not in the spot, if it's somewhere in the grocery store or in an event, a gathering, wherever it is, if I can bring that in people from the inside out, and if I can help them at least take one step closer to that, I think that is success for me. That is saying I managed to build something and I'm using that business as helping people do the same that I was able to do and is bringing them closer to that. So that is, I think that's success for me. That that is fulfillment for me. And the other thing is just realizing that I did not disappoint my family, because again, I couldn't, like that was one of the things that I couldn't disappoint them because of what they did for me and and how they supported me. So I think that's also a success, or at least that allows me to sleep at night. That that I think is success, just peace of mind that I did okay. It's not like I build an empire, it's not like I'm gonna leave a legacy, or you know, I'm gonna be this known person or this rich person. That doesn't matter. It's just like just me being okay at the end of the day. I think that's success for me.

SPEAKER_00 32:57

Oh, I love that. I'm just gonna leave it at that. That is such a good way to end this conversation. I would love to know. So, how, you know, show notes, we're gonna have all of the links to connect with you. We will have Instagram, we'll have your website. Of course, if you're here local in Northwest Indiana or the Chicagoland area, you would be able to book a service. Of course, you can always travel in. You know, we're gonna have people that are listening all over the world to this episode. And so hopefully someone can even resonate with your story. But tell us what is the best way to connect with you and then any upcoming offerings or things we should keep an eye on, any kind of like signature services you recommend.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

So the best way to both get in contact with us and look out for new things coming up are on social media. We are on Instagram and Facebook as espa.esthetics at wellness. Our website is espa-wellness.com. We do take appointments by phone only. So, in order to book an appointment, you have to call us. I know we have a lot of inquiries about people booking online. We are very custom tailored. So if you're looking for something, we want to answer your question first before we pay you with the best therapist available for that treatment. There's a lot of customization and personalization of services before you step foot in the establishment because we want to make sure that this is gonna be exactly what you're looking for. So unfortunately, the only way we can do that is by talking to you on the phone. Our phone number is 219-923 ESPA. So if you're looking for appointments, feel free to give us a call back. But social media is gonna have a lot of new things coming up. I do have a new project called the Wellness Collective that is I'm very excited about. And that's gonna be also on there. We're gonna talk about it and the different new things coming up.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

So that'll be all on social media. That's so exciting! Well, thank you so much for this conversation. And I loved getting to know you more. I feel like we just scratched the surface. So maybe down the road we'll have a part two conversation. I feel like I had so many other questions to ask you. But thank you, thank you, thank you for being on. Thank you. It was truly my pleasure. Thank you. And so, Virginia will be back with a business chaser segment later this week. So make sure you catch that segment on Friday when it releases, and we will all talk to you later. Thanks for tuning in to another episode of Business Over Cocktails, where real stories and bold business moves come to life. If this episode lit something up in you, share it with a friend, tag me at Laura Najar, or the podcast page at Business Over Cocktails. Make sure to leave a quick review as well. It helps more than you know. Until next time, keep chasing what matters and building the business that feels like you. Cheers.