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024 - Would You Marry a Tree? Ancient Wedding Traditions Explored
Grace and Kelsey explore unusual wedding traditions and bride prices from different cultures and time periods, uncovering practices that range from fascinating to shocking.
• Spanish brides in the 1600s wore black wedding dresses to symbolize "till death do us part"
• Medieval grooms sometimes "kidnapped" brides if the family didn't approve, with best men serving as bodyguards
• Chinese brides were expected to cry for a month before their wedding
• Women born under unlucky astrological signs in parts of India had to marry trees first to break curses
• European guests threw shoes at brides for good luck, while bridesmaids dressed identically to confuse evil spirits
• In South Sudan, marriages weren't valid until the bride had given birth to two children
• African bride prices were measured in cows through the tradition of "Lobola"
• West African cultures used salt as currency for bride payments
• Chinese grooms during the Han Dynasty presented roasted pigs to symbolize wealth and fertility
• Viking grooms offered ancestral swords in exchange for the bride's dowry
• European monarchs arranged marriages as political deals, sometimes trading sisters between kingdoms
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Hey Queens, it's Kelsey and Grace back with the Wedding Hive.
Speaker 2:Giving you the tea and all the buzz in the wedding world. Let's jump right in.
Speaker 1:Hey Queens. Welcome back to another episode of the Wedding Hive podcast. Today, grace and I are in the studio and we are talking all things wedding traditions and bride prices. So we have done a deep dive on the worldwide web to find all of the things that made our jaw drop and go wait. This is not real and it is. So we're going through time to look at all of the fun crazy and I kind of want a few of these to come back. But you do Mine, I don't.
Speaker 2:You don't want any of them to come back, Not really, but I'm interested to see what yours are.
Speaker 1:so Okay, why don't you start us off? Okay, perfect, so we'll start. Let's start with wedding traditions and then we'll go into, like the bride, prices and payments. So we'll start on a lighter note.
Speaker 2:Okay, perfect. First thing is the black wedding dress. Basically, spanish brides in the 1600s wore black dresses and not white, to symbolize till death. Do us part Fascinating. Honestly, I'm kind of here for that. Okay, I think that's cute, I do like that tradition. I think that's cool.
Speaker 1:I mean well, white dresses. I'd be curious to know when those came into play, because those represent like purity or women's virginity, Like there. That was the correlation with like having the face covered with the veil and the white dresses. But till death do us part, I'm here for a black dress.
Speaker 2:I know I've seen a few and I I think they're cool. Part I'm here for a black dress. I know I've seen a few and I I think they're cool and I'm here for it. So I think they're unique. Yeah, it's definitely well, I don't know. And then people I think nowadays they say, oh, why would you wear black on your wedding day? Because people think of funerals. Right is black, but I think it can be tastefully done in like a really like cute way. So I'm here for it. Okay, first one. Okay, what do you want to come back? This is not it.
Speaker 2:This is not the one that I want for the comeback you're gonna tell us before you say it, stealing the bride.
Speaker 1:so in medieval times if the groom literally kidnapped the bride, if the bride's family did not approve, like would run away with her, basically Correct.
Speaker 2:The best man's job was not to hold the rings but to fight off angry relatives. Okay Night in shining armor. I mean, I'm here for it the question is Does the bride want to be?
Speaker 1:kidnapped. That's the question. Does she want this? Is this like a we're in love, let's run away together, or is he like that's the one?
Speaker 2:That's the one, and you're coming home with me, and I'm kidnapping you, Like that's not okay. Yeah, I'm down for if the bride is for it and that's her man, but if not, Without the family's approval I wouldn't like to be kidnapped at all.
Speaker 1:No, we talked about this yesterday. What did we talk about? Well, like I wouldn't last being kidnapped because I wear contacts and I'm blind without them, yes, I would die literally, and then I'd be like-.
Speaker 2:Once I can't see I'm done for Correct.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's like a predator that's coming after me or it's like a local nine shining armor trying to save me. I'd fight any of it off.
Speaker 2:I know that's. We had talked about that. I forgot we said that yesterday and I joked too. If there was like a zombie apocalypse, Hunger Games, I'm probably going right away, because I have. No, I don't like camping. I don't like camping. I don't like dirt, and if I lost my contacts or my glasses, I just I wouldn't be able to do it. I hate being like blind. As soon as I wake up, I have to grab my glasses and put them on. So, I think I wouldn't last very long.
Speaker 1:My blindness would be the only thing to stop me in any kidnapping apocalypse zombies. That would be my downfall. Other than that, it would be the only thing to stop me in any kidnapping apocalypse zombies. That that would be my downfall. Other than that, it would be I. I enjoy the woods. I don't mind dirt. I can. I can rough a good fight just not the context.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's when it's.
Speaker 1:It's over I get lots of, lots of practice with five sons on, you know, breaking up fights oh, fights oh yeah, and Nerf guns. So I think I have some survival skills in me.
Speaker 2:But if I'm blind, then I'm not your team member.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Hell, no so all right.
Speaker 2:Which one's next? Okay, this one is crying marathons. So in China's cultures, brides were expected to cry for a whole month before the wedding.
Speaker 1:But not in sadness and joy.
Speaker 2:That's all I got. I'm assuming I don't know what the reasoning behind that would be Maybe because you're crying for your old life.
Speaker 1:No, I remember reading about this and it had to do with. They were like tears of joy and excitement and like the longing for the person, Even though I think I would be crying because I'm losing my family.
Speaker 2:Oh, true you know what I mean Two for one.
Speaker 1:But on the outside it has to appear as like a joyful You're happy.
Speaker 2:You're crying tears of joy, correct? Okay, I could see that I don't know if I'd cry over a man for a whole month, but I'm not a crier, so it's hard yeah, tells you what to be able to. You have like eye drops.
Speaker 1:You're just like pretending you're just like if someone comes here, yeah, I'd have to eye drop myself all day, all day contact solution just Correct.
Speaker 1:I'm like the worst Um, so this is the one that I think is would be cool to bring back, and so I'm going to ask you about this one um in your marriage or like in your wedding planning process. Okay, so, originally this is about the best man, the best man also known as the bodyguard. Originally, the best man wasn't chosen because he was your best buddy, but because he was the toughest fighter around. He was a one-man security. Okay, so of John's groomsmen, was his toughest friend the best man, or would you guys had to have chosen somebody?
Speaker 2:else you're gonna get me in trouble. Um, I mean, it was his younger brother and he's weak and he's not weak. I just like I don't know his like fighting skills, so like I don't know, maybe, but I mean we had a good lineup for the groomsmen, so I I think, if any, of them could be yeah, but which one would be the one to fight off a bear?
Speaker 1:or if somebody tried to kidnap you away from John?
Speaker 2:I would say probably his best friend, luis. He's really tall and not stocky Like stocky in a good way. He's bigger built, so I would say maybe him would be the best choice out of them. My brother he's very fit and athletic would be the best choice out of them. My brother, he's very fit and athletic, so I think he would be good too, and so is his other brother, but I'm going to go with his best friend, luis. Luis, okay, and I'm in the safe zone because I know my brother-in-law does not listen to this podcast, so I'm just going to say that but I would say, yeah, let's not have him come for
Speaker 2:us. I know we don't want that, but that's crazy. Okay, the bodyguard and security sometimes you need it because family's crazy For real. Okay, this one gives me the absolute ick and makes me honestly kind of want to throw up Leftovers in a chamber pot. In France, after the reception, newlyweds had to eat leftovers and drink wine out of one like a chamber pot Barf, where they shit. I don't get the point of this. Like when, what that would do, or the church, like tradition behind that.
Speaker 1:Maybe they didn't have to go boxes Dang.
Speaker 2:They said you know what? This is all we have lying around, so if you want to use that, I'm like interested to see like how like the catering went back in those days.
Speaker 1:It was more like potluck style, like family and friends.
Speaker 2:Like in my head I'm thinking Viking. Big table of delicious food, grapes, food.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you have the money and the resources. Yeah, true, if you're rich.
Speaker 2:If not, you got lentils and I know beans you have skinny, you have girl dinner for your wedding. Skinny margaritas, skinny margaritas and girl dinner is what you got for lots of ale yes, and wine, yeah, wine, all the ale yeah. So let's never bring that back, ever again.
Speaker 1:Okay, deal At all. Alrighty. Next one this one is like hilarious to me, Okay. So back in and I'm confirming my facts. Okay, this is in parts of India, If a bride was born under an unlucky astrology sign, they first had to marry a tree, then cut it down to break the curse.
Speaker 2:So this is like from the beginning, when she's born, if she was.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I don't think you can marry a newborn to a tree, but like once she was of like marriage age.
Speaker 2:Okay, no, that came out wrong. It doesn't really matter, but that's crazy. We need to look up which ones are the cursed ones. Oh yeah, it's probably gemini's. Y'all are fucking crazy, and I have multiple gemini's in my life, so I can say that I know it ain't me and I'm a scorpio so we're crazy too. Um no, yeah I wonder if it's all the like fire signs that are maybe unlucky, because we're like crazy, I'm just pulling shit out of my ass. I don't know.
Speaker 1:All I know is that I'm a lion, you're a lion? Yeah, because I'm a Leo. Oh, okay, am I crazy?
Speaker 2:Lions are crazy, so you could be. We're going to have to look that up and figure out which ones were.
Speaker 1:Which one of us would have to marry a tree first. I know which one of us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I guess I'll marry a tree If it's a cute tree. Yeah, if it's like, if it's like a good shaded tree, if it's like a little lemon tree or something.
Speaker 1:What if it's like an apple tree? Oh, that'd be cute, and then it can feed you apples. I know Actually at least my apple tree and I talk back. Exactly, my husband will not speak back to me ever. Can I go back to my tree? I'm like you don't like the the groom, just be like. You know what my tree offered me shade, yeah, comfort fed me sure and didn't talk back.
Speaker 2:yeah, honestly, I'm done for that. So marry a tree. If it's an apple tree, I'll do that, okay. Okay, you know what? Me and Kelsey, we're going to go marry trees. After this we're going to come back to our husbands and be like sorry, it's over, we're marrying apple trees.
Speaker 1:I'm now known as Kelsey Manzana.
Speaker 2:Yes, Stop what are actually? There's a bunch of different flavors of apples.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to be a Granny Smith. I know the Fiji's are good, the honey crisps are good.
Speaker 2:Those are good apples, kelsey and Grace honey crisp now please call us by our proper names please call us by those names, not by whatever we had before. Um, okay, we're gonna move on. So kids before the vows. In south sudan's tribe, a marriage wasn't valid until the bride had given birth to two children. Interesting, it's definitely, I think. I don't know, maybe it's like one of those things. Like they want to know that you can produce children.
Speaker 1:I think so too. But what happens? Because in so many cultures women's virginity had to be pure until you were, like, married or had that person.
Speaker 2:It's like kind of not backwards, but definitely a different take.
Speaker 1:Because what happens if she doesn't get pregnant Then does she move on to the next one or is she considered unclean at that point? Dang From a historical standpoint, I know she's not unclean. She means something to Grace and I.
Speaker 2:We love whoever this imaginary person is. We love you, queen.
Speaker 1:Yes, and we are for you, Even though your cherry's been popped we're not against you, we're just trying to understand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm thinking in my mind with so many other cultures, it's probably to make sure me either. Maybe she can have children, or a lot of people, or not. A lot of people, um cultures want like sons, so maybe they're hoping that she can produce sons. That way they have an heir once you know they get married and the name carries on dude, I would be a queen in ancient cultures.
Speaker 1:Why? Because I had five sons.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you would be like you. I would be living in guys. Everyone would be like all hail kelsey.
Speaker 1:Yes, why was I born?
Speaker 2:in this era. You would have been like the. You would have been the queen. I know Would have literally been the queen.
Speaker 1:And now, I'm busy like wiping boogers and dealing with. Fortnite all day and practices Jeez, louise Gosh, it's like a, really. I truly do think about this quite often. No, that's valid. Honestly, like's like a real.
Speaker 2:I truly do think about this quite often.
Speaker 1:No, that's valid, honestly, like, truly, I'm like can somebody what queen or king needs to like roll through on their pirate ship and be like we're going to sit next to you.
Speaker 2:You're going to be like actually I'm leaving, I'm going to England, so I'm royalty now my royal castle is waiting for me.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly, all right. Next one through shoe throwing for good luck. So forget the tossing the bouquet. In some european traditions people threw shoes at the bride.
Speaker 2:Guests would fight over them for good luck I'm already getting pissed just thinking about like the cake smashing in the face and then to have shoes pelted at me and then you have to eat out of the chamber pot. Yeah, this is just. This is messed up. Guys. What the hell? Um, I, I don't like that at all. I would not want to be pelted with shoes, especially they would have high heels or something. Girl, you're gonna lose an eye.
Speaker 1:I don't know if they had high heels back then, what you think they had stilettos back in the day, can you?
Speaker 2:google it. Yeah, be like back in the wait. What are we talking? Like the six, like the 1600s? Are we talking 1500s? What one's the time? What?
Speaker 1:it says european traditions and your europe has been around for a very long time.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm looking up we, we're actually going to give a history lesson right now Because I'm trying to think, when I just I don't know. I'm trying to think of all the Bridgerton stuff, the stiletto heels as we know them, emerged in the 1950s.
Speaker 1:No way, Okay, what kind of shoes?
Speaker 2:Yeah, did they only wear flats? I don't know. I'm mind blown by this. The math's not mathing to me.
Speaker 1:No, because they weren't worn. Shoes weren't worn for style, it was for, like, the health of your feet, because the floors were disgusting and they didn't have like modern plumbing. So there was like shit all over the ground, all the time I always think about that.
Speaker 2:Like there used to not be toilets, like that would honestly give me anxiety. I don't think I could live back then and then have that shoe thrown at you on your wedding day well, I'm just thinking, I'm like I can't even go camping because I don't have a toilet, and that stresses me out, and then to live when there's never a toilet you've never squatted, no, I have.
Speaker 1:And you hate it that much.
Speaker 2:It was terrible. Why would I want to take it?
Speaker 1:Because if you got to go, you got to go. European footwear varied significantly by the historical period, social class and region, including historical styles like polo I don't even know this word, but it's the long-toed shoe. I don't even know this word, but it's the long-toed shoe, Okay, and it turned shoe into the medieval era as well as practical options like boots, clogs and sandals. Today, modern Europeans wear different range of shoes. We don't care what they wear today. I mean, they wear what we all wear.
Speaker 1:I wear flip-flops, I mean, unless you need me to look this up for your trip next week while you're in Europe, to make sure that you are socially acceptable.
Speaker 2:I will be stunned on these hoes. I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 1:But it was like clogs in boots, boots getting thrown at you.
Speaker 2:I don't like that. Just don't throw shoes at me, yeah.
Speaker 1:So all right, there's throwing shoes.
Speaker 2:Okay, my last one. Everyone gets a kiss.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 2:Everyone gets a kiss.
Speaker 1:So do you invite everybody or do you only invite the people you're willing to kiss I?
Speaker 2:know. Literally it says in Sweden if the groom left the room, all the male guests kiss the bride, and vice versa. So if the what did it wait? If the groom left the room? So if the bride left the groom the room, then also the room would get kissed. The groom, everybody just was kissing everybody, everyone's just. Yeah, If the bride or groom left the room and they were by themselves, not like next to them, they would have to kiss everyone Gross. I don't know what that's for, but maybe it's one last rod. It's like you can kiss everyone one last time before.
Speaker 1:You can only kiss this last person.
Speaker 2:This is your one chance to just kiss everyone before it's like signed, sealed and delivered.
Speaker 1:I'm glad that one's gone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that one's got to go.
Speaker 1:All right Bridesmaids as spiritual decoys. So back in European times people, all the bridesmaids, would dress up and match the bride to throw off the evil spirits or jealous exes. So the evil spirits and the exes couldn't identify the bride.
Speaker 2:Imagine if there was an ex. This is going to sound like kind of morbid, but a dead ex. That would be like a two-for-one combo that would An ex and then a spirit.
Speaker 1:I don't know about that, but was he that into her? If he can't recognize her, I know. And then what? I would never be a bridesmaid.
Speaker 2:you'd never be a bridesmaid, no why, if I have to be your spiritual decoy, what do you have to do? Why do I have to like, reflect on you, like would they come towards you, or something?
Speaker 1:yeah, because it's a decoy to not go after the bride so it'd go after the bridesmaids yeah, like whatever bad juju you brought in, I did not, I don't want that.
Speaker 2:it's's giving like what's the voodoo dolls? Yeah, I don't like that. No, thank you no thank you, you can do that yourself, queen.
Speaker 1:All right, so there it is. There are 10 wedding traditions that we, besides the bodyguard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that one was kind of cool. I liked that one.
Speaker 1:And possibly marrying the tree, as Grace and Kelsey Honeycrisp.
Speaker 2:I'll have to go home and like eat an apple, just to you know, keep it going. But yeah, and then what else? I feel like we liked one other one. Oh, the night one, if the bride's willing, remember he kidnapped her.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, stealing the bride. So some of these can stay, but most of them. So some of these can stay, but most of them they gotta go, it's good that they're gone.
Speaker 1:They've gotta go. So let's talk about bride price. So traditional and historical bride prices yes, kick us off.
Speaker 2:Okay. So in India, arranged by horoscope, another horoscope one families would only arrange marriages if the horoscopes matched, regardless of wealth or status. I feel like that's still current today. That is very current Because people I remember oh my gosh, it would. It bugged me and John so much when we first started dating this girl that we used to work with. She goes she's a Scorpio and you're a Sagittarius. It's just not going to work out. And I was like girl, what I'm like, uh okay. And then here we are, eight years later, married. But it's definitely. I think people do genuinely believe that. Yeah, I, I, I do believe it in some sense. Do I think you get along better with you know different? Like horoscope signs Like me and a Scorpio like we're just like this. Like horoscope signs like me and a Scorpio, like we're just like this, and so I do kind of play into it, but I wouldn't base it off like your actual relationships.
Speaker 1:It's interesting. I wish I could remember who I will know. Where was I? I was, actually. I was, I know. I was at a launch party for a local vendor and her, the owner's brother, and I were talking and he immediately said, oh my gosh, you're a da da da. And I was like, what is does that mean? He said, and okay, um, he goes, it's your European or it's your, it's your Eastern Um horoscope, because what we know, astrology as the Sagittarius and the Leos and the Cancers, those are Western horoscopes. Did not know that. So we got into this really long conversation about like the different, like the different places in the world and the different horoscopes, and then it turned into like all the different religions. It was a very fascinating conversation, yeah, but I think it's interesting because, yes, there is so much that's still like to this day. Play into it. I also think that it is dependent on what, where you come from, or which ones you recognize. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Yeah, no, I definitely think it's very relevant to today and I mean, there's a bunch of different. I know the and I think, like Chinese culture, they have like the yearly one, like I'm a rat based off my year, and I think that's how they do their horoscopes. Yes, yeah, right, yep, okay, because that was the conversation. Yeah, because they do the year that you were born, because I'm an ox. Yep, yep.
Speaker 1:And I think my husband was a monkey and I was like I will trample you and they were like, relax, lady. Even the surrogate baby that I carried in 2019, they wanted him to be born within this certain hor horoscope and I was like 36 weeks pregnant. I was like eight months pregnant and they begged me to have the baby, because they needed the baby to be born in that horoscope, because the next one was like not good not good and wouldn't bring wealth to the family yeah and I was like here in America we got contracts, baby.
Speaker 1:they're there and I am not that's crazy giving birth to a premature baby because of your horoscope. So it turned into a whole legal battle, but baby was born on Christmas, which they honored, and recognized as a luck, even though they are not. I was like do they even celebrate Christmas, or they do?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Christianity is like banned Bibles are banned in China. Oh wow, yeah. But hey, I'll take it for what it is. Exactly All right, this one's pretty traditional the dowry system. So in ancient Europe, india and the Middle East, the bride's family often gave money, land or valuables to the groom. Sometime dowries were so big they could make or break a family's fortune. How sad would that be.
Speaker 2:I know that's like interesting because, like the dowry, is the girl's parents money right? Yes, and that's how they would make money and then get like their house or whatever through the parents money that they have saved for the bride. Okay, that's what I thought. Yeah, but that's so sad. Why is the girl paying? It's giving ew.
Speaker 1:Well, because the men usually carried the name and, like they, were the heads of the household. I guess so, and you wanted your daughter you'd want your daughter to marry into a good bloodline, if it's health or wealth or social status.
Speaker 2:True, okay, I'm here for it. I mean, if that's how they want to do it, which one do you have next? Next, I have in Germany buying brides and beer. Marriage contracts were negotiated in taverns and sealed with beer. Brides came with the tab. Brides came with the tab.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you had to pay the tab to get the bride.
Speaker 2:I think so, like basically, or like they added, like her to the tab, like they pay, like buy all the beers and then they add her to the tab. They said so, and then they would just seal it with beer like congratulations and seal it with beer what kind of beer would john I don't know drink with your name?
Speaker 1:with your name added to the tab oh, depends on the day.
Speaker 2:Either definitely mickle ultra or, if he's feeling a little crazy, an ipa for sure. Okay, that are yeah ultra or an ipa for sure. What about tomas? What is he drinking?
Speaker 1:um, it would either be an ultra or modelo. Okay, but only the small cans of modelo, not like the mini ones, like the baby. Modelo is not the big modelo's, because apparently those get hot too fast and then it's gross. I don't know, I don't drink beer. Like a regular can of beer gets you know, like a bottle, he will only drink beer, he'll only drink, he'll drink ultra out of the can.
Speaker 2:I don't think Vandello comes in cans, or does it come in a bottle?
Speaker 1:Sorry, Well, it does come in a bottle. I think when the cans they come in cans they might be blue. Oh no, I haven't seen him drink beer in like I don't know the last time he had a beer. To be honest, it's gonna be me um, so okay, perfect all right, my next one is bride price in cows so this one for sure across africa, mongolia and the pacific islands, grooms paid in livestock. Among the zulu of South Africa this tradition is called Lobola Lobola it's usually measured in cows.
Speaker 2:I feel like I've heard that. Yeah, back in the day, we need to come with a different name for it though Lobolo, lobola, maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 1:Lobolo, yeah, I might be enunciating my sounds.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're just like enunciating it too much. Yeah, okay, no, I feel like I've seen that all the time and then, um, that's like what was it? Um, and like parts of the caribbean. Back in those times, you know, they would do the chickens, the cows and I better be worth more than a chicken I better be like five cows.
Speaker 2:It's where the best, the baddest that they come. So you better be paying high price for kelsey and I okay the honey crisps. Yes, yes, okay, um, west africa bride price and salt. Salt books were used as a um a currency, making them a valuable form of bride price. So basically, I guess it's almost, I feel, like the cow chicken situation, but in salt.
Speaker 1:But in salt. I'm for it, I'm down. Salt makes everything better tastes, better.
Speaker 2:I'll be like I'll never run a of salt to make food. Yeah, I don't know what a salt book really is or what that looks like A salt book? That's what it said, let me.
Speaker 1:Google it really quick. Yeah, what's the salt?
Speaker 2:books. I don't know if it's just a big block of salt, you know, like the pink salt, like the Himalayan sea salt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What country is this? This is west africa. We need the, we need the deets. I've never heard of that, though um salt gold trade.
Speaker 1:yeah, so it was. I mean, it looks it, the picture that I see on Google. It looks like bags of cocaine, but it's, but it's salt. Okay, cool, perfect. So yeah, all right Um cool, I'd be like.
Speaker 2:hopefully I never get salty.
Speaker 1:Um, I'm for it.
Speaker 2:I think salt makes everything better, that's better and probably easier to like get than a bunch of cows no or transported like I'm sure.
Speaker 1:No, salt is not that easy to like. It's easy to come by, but it's not easy to mine. Oh, oh, my yeah, so is your ground beef. I know yeah, true, you really would not survive outside.
Speaker 2:Honestly, texas Red House is right up the street.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, you would not survive.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't, I literally would die.
Speaker 1:I don't ever want to be a contestant with you on Naked and Afraid or Survivor. No, just so we're clear.
Speaker 2:I've already made it very clear to everyone and my entire realm, family, friends, and just don't pick me ever.
Speaker 1:Okay, next the pig wedding. This is China. This is during the Han dynasty. Grooms had to present a roasted pig, symbolizing wealth, fertility and the ability to feed a family.
Speaker 2:Ooh, I like that, I think that's I'm here for that. A roasted pig, though, Like it's like. Oh my gosh. One time when I went to Hawaii, we went to Luau and they have like the roasted pig with like the apple in the mouth. That gives me the ache. Not the apple, Not the apple. The apple is just like here to stay. The apple can stay. The pig's gotta go. This whole episode is about this damn apple. Next week we're gonna come. Oh, I won't be here for next week really you gotta just rub it in.
Speaker 2:I just, yeah, I'm gonna be like in spain, so sorry.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'll eat an apple in spain and I'll send you a picture oh, you're so sweet at like three o'clock in the morning when I'm sleeping when you're sleeping so you can wake up to it.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'll just I'll bring you an apple back.
Speaker 1:Um, I don't eat pork, I don't really either, yeah. I know Um that would be.
Speaker 2:That'd be known for me, but it was like a filet mignon. I'd be down for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I well, everything's not about you, apple. If it was an apple, you said, then we're fine and we're good to go baby so all right, what's your next one? My next one um, europe, 16th century the runaway bride. If a bride fled an arranged marriage, her family would have to repay the dowry, sometimes doubled. I'd be like you better get your ass back here, because I'm not paying that back.
Speaker 1:But if she fled, yeah well, she doesn't want to marry him.
Speaker 2:I know well they're in arranged marriage. So that's I. I don't like those oh, who does?
Speaker 1:who is out there like man we should really bring arranged no, they should never bring those back.
Speaker 2:But I think it is cute when you hear stories of people who've had arranged marriages and then they actually end up liking each other. That's sweet, Okay. But wait, actually, as I'm thinking about this an arranged marriage? Oh, because technically they're expecting the dowry and then it's gone because they're not getting married anymore. I was like, why would they? They have to pay if she ran away, Cause it's her dowry, but maybe like their marriage contract you know, just just smile and nod.
Speaker 1:I'm just trying to process all of this. I used to joke that like I was going to arrange my kids' marriages cause I don't want like awful daughter-in-laws. But I don't really mean that.
Speaker 2:So you're the one who's still trying to keep it going. It's you.
Speaker 1:Hey, I need that dowry. You said I need that dowry baby I'm just kidding, I'm so weak, I'm so kidding. All right. Marriage by capture. In some okay, in some societies, instead of paying a dowry, the groom would kidnap the bride, sometimes staged, sometimes not.
Speaker 2:Wait, staged, yeah, like faking it or what yeah, okay, wait, read it again.
Speaker 1:Marriage by capture. Marriage by capture In some societies, instead of paying a dowry, the groom kidnapped the bride. Sometimes it was staged and sometimes it was not, so maybe that's one way to get out of a dowry. The groom kidnapped the bride Sometimes it was staged and sometimes it was not so maybe that's one way to get out of the dowry. But why would you get out of the dowry?
Speaker 2:if the bride's Doesn't, the guy want it. Yeah, usually Like, wouldn't you? And also, at the end of the day, wouldn't you, as the bride, want your own dowry too? So you're like set up, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like, like set up.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, like financially wise maybe, yeah, let's not do that, yeah, let's not let's get out, let's get the dowry.
Speaker 1:Get that coin if you're gonna get it, and let's stop kidnapping people. Good lord, let people. How are we around today? I don't know how did we survive these ancient societies?
Speaker 2:just kidnapping everyone left and right.
Speaker 1:jeez lou Do you have one more.
Speaker 2:I do have one more the royal sister swap. So European monarchs arranged marriages as political deals, often trading sisters like bargaining chips. I don't love that. Arranged marriages politically, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that kind of gives me the ick I'm like.
Speaker 2:I guess if, like you both like end up with a good, a good man, like as a bargaining chip I don't know then maybe you're good, but like who is the bargaining chip going to like? I don't know oh yeah, there's so much to unfold um, okay, we'll go the last one yeah, let's just jump to the last one.
Speaker 1:All right, the viking sword marriage. Viking grooms offered um swords as a symbol to exchange for the bride's dowry, representing protection. So you, so the groom, would give the ancient sword to the bride's family, and the bride and the dowry would go to the groom.
Speaker 2:Okay, I think that's fair. I feel like it's almost how now, but how?
Speaker 1:are you going to protect her? If you gave your damn sword away, I'd be like I have a lineup of swords, because what the hell you better have more than one sword, my guy, literally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I like. I feel it's almost as the tradition of asking the bride's parents for the hand of marriage. But here's a sword, here's just, here's just a lethal weapon for that instead hope you know how to use it, how to use it. Can I have your daughter? Thank you so much, sir, but don't worry I'll protect her, yeah I think that's good yeah I like it.
Speaker 1:I'm here for it sword for a dowry.
Speaker 2:I don't know if they're equal um amounts, but we'll take it um, you just reminded me of something.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I I'm gonna try to keep this, as this is actually really cool. So, um, I met with a family like three weeks, three weeks ago, like within the last month, I met with a family and they are doing their like. We're in the process of like picking their venue and doing all of like their modern wedding things in 2025. And we are on the hunt for a location, because he is Vietnamese and they are doing. The morning of the wedding, there is a traditional tea ceremony as part of the Vietnamese culture. I love that, like pre-wedding ceremony. So it's a ceremonial tea that they're having. I love it.
Speaker 2:I think that's cute. I like that, Especially them incorporating that. Just to you know, it makes him feel special. His family feels special that they're doing that. And I think a nice little cup of tea in the morning, you know, get your day started for your wedding day. I think that's perfect.
Speaker 1:You started your day with champagne, others started it with tea.
Speaker 2:I actually only drank one mimosa that whole morning, though, so I was good. I'm so proud of you. I know If it was any other day I wouldn't have I would have had multiple, but I was like I want to remember my wedding day. That's wise.
Speaker 1:So glad the bride price is gone. I mean here in North America. Otherwise I know those are still things that other cultures are practicing in some traditions. But so that is our wedding traditions and bride price. Thank you so much for joining us on this week's episode. Be sure to check us out on TikTok and Instagram at the Wedding Hive podcast. Be sure to subscribe, like comment and give us your take. We post some of the clips from our episodes so you can tell us your thoughts and opinions. See you next week. Bye, thank you.