A Cozy Space with Tatiana Elizabeth

Friendship, Faith and Fashion with Eva Apio | A Cozy Space with Tatiana Elizabeth

• Tatiana Elizabeth • Season 1 • Episode 5

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In this special episode of A Cozy Space with Tatiana Elizabeth, I sit down with the radiant Eva Apio, philanthropist, model, and muse—to talk about everything from our friendship  faith and fashion to softness and self-worth.

Eva opens up about navigating the fashion industry as a woman of African descent, how she protects her peace in high-pressure spaces, and what choosing herself has looked like in every chapter. We talk sisterhood, spiritual grounding, her evolving relationship with beauty, and the legacy she’s building beyond modeling.

✨ Tap in for a conversation about identity, inner growth, and the power of softness. Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share with someone who needs a cozy moment of reflection and connection.

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Welcome back to A Cozy Space with me, Tatiana Elizabeth. Today I have the beautiful, talented, and multidimensional Eva Apio here. My good friends, my girl, and it girl that you guys know and love,

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Eva Apio. Hi guys. What does multidimensional mean?

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Multidimensional means that you do a lot of things really well.

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Ah, okay. Yeah.

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So, Eva and I are here in Miami. We are shooting... from the comfort of our hotel room. I flew down to Miami to see Eva because she just was requesting my presence. And she's obsessed. She asked to

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come see

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me. She's obsessed with

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me. She FaceTimed me and told me she's coming.

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Eva is like that annoying little sister that I'm happy I have. So I just love you so much. And thank you for coming on the pod. Let's just start talking about modeling your career. What drew you to modeling? What made you get started in modeling?

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I actually didn't want to be a model. Fun fact. I wanted to be... physio and save lives and like kill people and you know she was just so pretty right no no but then my dad was like you know what I think you should do this your mom's done it why don't you try it and I was like I don't know I have things to do so then he wrote down all the agencies in London drove me around London and until one signed me

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wow and how old were you I

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was like 17

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That's crazy, guys. I met you when you were 17 years old in New York.

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I'm 25 this

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year. And you're 25.

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Big woman age.

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Oh, please. But that's so interesting.

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Grand woman.

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That's so interesting that it's actually your dad and your parents that got you into it. Yeah, because it's

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usually the opposite.

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It's usually the opposite.

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Yeah.

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That's so crazy. And you were 17 years old.

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I was 17 years

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old. So when's the first time you came to America by yourself?

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18 years old.

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No.

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As you know, 17. Yeah, 17. Yeah, 17, yeah.

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Wow. That's crazy. Do you remember your first job? Your first modeling job?

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My first modeling job? I think it was like ASOS, but for feet. You know when you have to do the feet part? Yeah. Like the heels. Yeah. No, not the jeans. Yeah, just the shoes and the hands, like the rings, the earrings.

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And you worked your way up? And

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they paid me like, I think it was like 900 a day.

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That's not bad.

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That's not bad.

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Back then for hands and feet. And you didn't have to put makeup on. Didn't have to. No, they

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do glam. They do your glam because obviously of the earrings.

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Oh, dang. That's crazy. And then you worked your way up. Oh, that face. We need the face. That's wild. In a world that tries to mold people into like what they want it to be. How do you think that you've maintained your authenticity?

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Personally, I feel as if. Because I wasn't. born in like Europe.

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Where were you born? I

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was born in Uganda.

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Yeah.

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So I think I have like a, like I hold onto my roots. Does that make sense? Like I know where I'm coming from. I know I have my, like my goal in my view. And obviously like I'm not saying I wouldn't get swayed left or right sometimes, but it's like, okay, just like, ooh. And then I'm like still stuck in the middle and still going to where I'm meant to go. I'd say my friends, my family.

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Keep you grounded.

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They keep me grounded. They check on, well, they don't check on me. They check me. Like Eva, not too much now. Yeah. I think I have like a good support system. Yeah. Yeah,

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your mom is really sweet. I feel like anytime I'm around you, your mom calls and checks in on you and she's praying for you. And, you know, it's so cute. It's good to see. I love it. How important is female friendship to you? Would you consider yourself a girl's girl?

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Me? Would you consider me a girl's girl?

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I would, of course, consider you a girl's girl. Why

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are you laughing? Why are you saying that?

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Because you are a girl's girl. You're so fun. You're so funny. I think that you are big Leo energy. So... Don't look down. You are. You have big Leo energy. And I feel like you naturally draw people to you. And I feel like with great power comes responsibility. And you can always tell the ultimate girl's girl when all eyes are on you. But you still make sure that the people around you are taken care of and feel just as valued as you feel. And I think that that is the ultimate level of girl's girl. Because a lot of people could take that and keep it on them. You like to give everybody their things. Oh, you want more compliments? Keep on

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coming. No, I would say I'm a girl's girl. Like, me and Tatiana will go somewhere and females won't say, I'll be like, Tatiana, is it normal? She'll be like, Americans. I'm like, Tatiana, let me just say hi. She's like, even they don't say hi to us. Let me say hi. But then it's like, some girls just have an attitude for no reason. I'm just like, why but I guess as you said like our personality is like overwhelming but it's like we're all friends we

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are fair let's just have fun let's just be nice

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honestly like it's especially if you go out with your friends you just want to have fun and just no one has energy to like Just be bad vibes. Some people are just bad vibes. Like

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why? Why did you even leave your house to be bad vibes? I don't get

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it. And now all of a sudden when you start drinking, that's when you're good vibes.

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Yeah, no, I don't like that. But even yesterday we had a waitress at a restaurant.

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Yeah.

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And she was so sweet. Her energy was just so happy and so pure. And that just, that can make somebody's day. The

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first person who sat at our table, she was just like.

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Stink and nasty.

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I was like, okay. Like I get, okay, it's a hard day at work, but. Dang.

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Yeah.

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Then the next one she was like, hi guys, welcome. And I was like, okay, now I want to enjoy

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my food. Now I want to eat. Now I want to tip you. Now I want to enjoy myself. No, definitely. I think that it's so important to just live life with good energy and just be happy and fun. Even, you know, fake it till you make it. I do

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have those moments where I have to fake it. I tend to be like, Yvonne.

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Fix your face.

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Fix your face. Sure, fix your face. Yeah,

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because it can be valid sometimes. I guess you never know what people are going through. But I feel like... If you're out and in public, I think that's just a part of like having couth, like having like just good manners. It's just presenting yourself respectfully and nicely. You

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know a lot of big words. Couth. Girl.

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What does that

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mean?

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Says the girl from England.

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It doesn't mean a midget.

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C-O-U-T-H. Nicki Minaj taught me what couth was. I had to Google it after I saw it on the song. I said, wait, let me Google this one. You're not going to catch me slipping. What's something in your life that a woman has taught you that you would never forget or that you hold near and dear?

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Something that a woman has taught me that I'll never forget. Oh, one thing my mom always tells me, she's like, and I actually pass it along to a few of my friends. She's always said to me, whatever you're going through, make sure your nails are done. was a fact because you can know i'm going through something if my nails are not done like really yes tatiana and you know that because you don't have time to go do your nails now right now they're not done

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this is not bad i'm talking about like like nails

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off and it's just my natural like uh

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for me i think i think it's my hair like if my hair isn't done

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because i can wrap it up i wear a hat

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yeah true

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but like

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My nails? Not

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even a little polish, not even a little

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clip or

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file or cut.

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But that's crazy. Yes,

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then you're going through it. Another one is, what else should you say to me? You'd always know a good man by the way he treats his mom. If they have a good relationship with their mother.

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Like

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a healthy relationship

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with their mother. Yeah, I agree with that.

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You'll know if they're family orientated. Oh, big words. Clack it. By how they maneuver with their family. Obviously, like, not all families are, like, integrated. I get it. But how, like, their perspective on it and, like, you know, not like... Oh, forget them. What do you mean forget them? Wait, hold on. Who's your family? They're dead to me. What

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do you mean? Everybody? They could be dead to you. I could be dead to you. I'm very disposable. Every single

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person in your family is dead to you? Dang. Yeah, no, I agree. Also, I get it. Things do happen. But obviously, if they have a different perception, like, oh, I want to work out one day and, you know. Another

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one. Ooh, you're driving Jim's today. Bow, bow, bow.

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Another one. Thank you. Another one. Thank you. What would another one be? I would say never go to bed angry. That's a good one my mom tells me. Like if you've had an argument with someone, sort it out that day. Or like go for a walk. Before you go to bed, you have to sort it out, Tatiana.

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I don't go to bed angry, babe.

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Oh, okay.

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Because you look to the side, you're like... I don't go to bed angry. I don't like being angry at all, to be honest. No, you don't,

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actually.

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Yeah, you have to get me to the point. to want to be angry. Not even

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angry. Okay.

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Sad or upset.

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Yeah. Don't go to bed upset. Or don't allow someone else to go to bed upset because then now they're going to wake up in the morning and their whole like intention of the day are like,

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damn. Yeah. I think that that's a big red flag like with people. Like I don't like people who want, who don't care to mend things. Like someone who doesn't have the consideration to not want you to go to bed angry or who doesn't care to like squash things or level it out. You

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never know what could happen.

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And

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now the last thing was, I made that person angry.

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Yeah, no, for sure. I agree. I agree. Those are good ones. See your mom beginning you together, huh? Because those are all from your mom. Shout out to her. Oh my goodness. So how do you deal with that? How do you cope with that? I feel like you travel so much. You're away from your family so much. How do you find the balance? in being away from your family?

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I think I get overstimulated really quickly. I don't know why. I don't know why it is. I get overstimulated really quickly. So I think me traveling keeps a healthy balance between my friends, a healthy balance between my family because I was at home I'll see everyone for like a good week and then I'll stay in my house for a good week and then everyone will take it so personally you know like dang like Eva you haven't seen us are you okay yeah like do you hate me you haven't spoken to me in like a week I'm like I just need some time um my friends and my family are very like hands-on they'll call me like Eva how are you or I'll call them or like I'll post something and be like sometimes like my best friend Hayley she won't messaged me for two days, but she, then three days I haven't posted anything. She'd be like, okay, post something. I need to know you're alive. Yeah.

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Like now, where are you? Yeah. It's like,

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send me a voice note. No, she would literally say, send me a voice note. I want to hear your voice and hear that you're okay. That's good. That's sweet.

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Yeah. Oh, shout out to Haley. So through modeling, did you ever think that you would become this big? Did you ever see yourself? I ain't big yet. You are big. Not yet. You're the biggest.

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Not yet. Not

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yet. So how did you foresee your career? Were you just rolling with it? Did you have a plan?

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Honestly, people are going to think I'm so crazy for this, but I don't have a plan for my career. People are going to think I'm so crazy for that. But for me anyways, no expectations means no disappointments. So rather than setting a final goal, like in life, my actual final goal is in regards of like making sure my family's good and making sure I'm good. That could be mainly financially or like emotionally, like in any way. So that's my, that's the hindsight goal for me. Not necessarily like have the biggest house, not necessarily have the best career, not necessarily have, you know, the best bag and all these things. But I never had like, I want to be this big model. I want to be this and this and that. And I think that's kind of what helped me because if I had like, So I concentrate on my little goals. I'd be like, okay, this month I want to have five jobs. Okay, five jobs, check. Rather than like, oh my gosh, I haven't got five jobs. Oh my God, I want to be the biggest model. Oh my gosh, I want to be the biggest. And it kind of like sets you back in a way, like mentally. So no, I've never actually like, I don't have like... Same. I

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feel like I just roll with it. I accept the blessings. I do the best that I can. And I move through life just... happy and thankful and I have gratitude. And I feel like that's where a lot of people mess up because they're comparing and looking to the left and looking to the right. It's like when you're on your own path. You know what works for you. You know what works for you and you know that you're always going to have abundance in your path.

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And I get, again, I get obviously very quickly. If I'm like, I'm going to be the biggest model and someone said no to me, I'll just be like, you know what? I don't want to do this anyway.

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You're going to go back and be a doctor. I'm like, yeah, I don't want to do this anyway. So do you think you would ever go back to be a doctor? Yes, I want to. Yeah?

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Yeah.

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You want to?

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Yeah. But it means I have to finish school. Dang. Dang. But you can start now,

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though. Dang. What kind of doctor would you be? I

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want to be a physio, but my dad's like, oh, you just want to rub on... Huh?

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What's a physio?

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A physiotherapist. Like, if you... I want to be a sport physiotherapist. So it means, like... No, Tatiana. If, you know... No, seriously, be serious. So basically, I personally, I'm interested in how, I'm interested in how, ow, it's hot. I'm interested as to how, like, the body works to bring itself back after injury. I find it so interesting, especially in sports that you can wear and tear your muscles and stuff and it gets fixed up right back. I find that so interesting. So I was like, you know what? I want to help athletes. When I told that to my dad, my dad was like, so you just want to rub on strong men I said no I genuinely want to help athletes yeah but then he was like it's kind of like a closed market unless you work for actual club or a team or something and I was like

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you're that smart

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so I'm going to open my own clinic one day god willing

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amen yeah

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amen that's cool

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yeah well I mean I could I feel like everyone could use physical therapy at this point exactly yeah everyone can use physical therapy

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yeah

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Okay, so you have been modeling and in the game and just in the mix for a while. I know,

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people think I'm a lot older than

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I actually am. Yeah. Going back to, I literally met you when you were 17. Okay, not too much. And I'm like, why is this girl? We're your parents, you're 17. What's happening? But if you could speak to that younger version of yourself right now, what would you tell her?

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You're doing good, kid.

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Yeah.

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You're doing good, kid. I don't think I would change anything. Because have you ever watched a movie, Butterfly Effect?

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I've heard of it, but I've never heard

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of it. So it's like, this guy always goes back to try to change something and it always changes something in the future. In the future, yeah. So I wouldn't, I'd keep everything exactly the same. Because it's like, I learned certain things on the way. Yeah. I survived certain things along the way. So I don't think I would change anything or advise myself with anything. I agree. I'd

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give myself- So like everything is meant?

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Yeah, I'd give myself a friend like me though. Like, I'd be, kind of like how you're my friend when I was younger, I'd be my own friend. when I was younger. Does that make sense?

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No.

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So I was 17 and you're my friend.

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Okay.

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Right? Yeah. I'd be my friend when I was 17. Does that make sense? Wait. I'd be my own friend. Yes. Yeah, you'd be your own friend. Tatiana, you're confusing me. No, no, I get

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it. I'm

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just messing with you. Oh, do you get it? Yeah. I get it. I'd be my own friend to like direct me. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. But I wouldn't change my experiences

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and the things that you've gone through and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. I feel that. Yeah, I don't think I would either, honestly. Everything happens for a reason. You have to go through certain things to learn the next thing.

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Exactly. Now, what I've learned. Ciao.

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What have you learned?

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Give us something. Damn.

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I have learned that... What's one thing that you could share with our guests that you've learned? It's

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never that serious.

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It's never that serious? It's

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never that serious, honestly. In the moment you might think you're dying. Oh my

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God, I can't breathe. It's never that serious.

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It's never that serious. Yeah. It's never that serious. Honestly, like it's not life and death. Your family's healthy. Your friends are healthy. That situation is never that serious. I agree. And you always get better and you always do better.

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Yeah. And the sooner you realize it's never that serious is the sooner it gets unserious.

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Or like bad always has to happen for good to come. Like it's kind of balanced. It's kind of like how it's raining right now, but the sun's going to come out. Exactly. So, When bad things happen in life, just be like, okay, I'm going to take the punches, but

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time to sign up. It gives you appreciation. If it never rains, we wouldn't appreciate the sun. Clock it. I feel like every fashion week you make headlines, you're always the most beautiful girl in the world, as far as I can see. This past Paris Fashion Week, you went viral for your skin and your body. And my abs. And your abs. Yes. So first of all, give us the body routine. I contoured my abs that day. You contoured

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your... Okay, no, but for real, but for real. Seriously. So that Casablanca show, I did not eat the whole morning. I was on water till the time I finished the show. And I thought, hmm, how can I, you know... define my abs a little bit. So I got that Fenty contour stick and I contoured. But you know, contour only defines what's already there. Exactly,

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yeah.

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Clock it.

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Clock that. That's hilarious. But that's funny. Exclusive, exclusive. Exclusive behind the scenes. And what did you use on your skin that day?

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So for my, it was a mixture. I used Skin Butter. I use skin butter when I come out of the shower anyways, regardless. This is not a paid ad. It's not

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paid. Do not invoice me, boo.

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And then I used some shimmer and some contour. Absolutely. Oh,

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cute. Cute. Cute. I love it. There we go. We have the routine. So contour the abs.

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Yeah.

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Skin butter on the back. No,

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no. Skin butter first. Skin butter first. Oil. Contour. And then setting spray.

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Setting spray. Setting spray. That's a new one. The Patrick Powell one? Mm-hmm. Ooh. Wow. You just gave us the recipe. Yeah,

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that's how

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the glow stays. So if you see men walking around with... Yeah, that's that Eva motion. Don't forget the setting spray, ladies. What's your favorite Fashion Week memory?

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My favorite Fashion Week memory was... I would say... going to my first Louis Vuitton show. And it was the first time Virgil was showing his first show.

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Fire. What did you wear?

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No, it wasn't his first show. Yes, it was his first

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show. Is that the one where you have the picture with Pop Smoke? Yeah. In the

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blue? Yeah.

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See, wow.

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Research. Wow. Or do you just remember it because you love me? I just remember it because it was cute. Yeah. It was a good show. That's fire.

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And that was your first Louis Vuitton show?

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First. And the craziest thing is they didn't invite me.

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I wasn't

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invited. Like, craziest thing is, I was my friend's past one. I was sat in second row. I was just like, okay, my outfit was not Louis Vuitton. People thought it was. It wasn't. I had this vintage Louis Vuitton padlock necklace. I was like, yeah. They hadn't invited me. I was just there for that.

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They haven't invited you since? Sometimes you gotta kick in the door. Or pick it till you make it. No, that's what a lot of people probably don't realize. And that kind of goes back to your note of not having a goal or looking back and forth because someone else can look at you.

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I expect them to invite me.

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Yeah. Yeah. You have to sometimes just know what you want to do and know like your lane and know who you want to be. But at the same time, you can't compare it to anyone else because a girl could be looking at you like,

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dang

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it.

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She went to the Louis Vuitton show. I'm like, girl, I didn't get invited. I just

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got

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it. That was someone else's invite. I was the plus one.

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Wow.

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That's fine. It's just about perception, I guess.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. I was posting. I was on the runway posting. Like, damn.

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I love it. Love it. That's another exclusive. Exclusive. How has your faith shaped the way you move throughout your career and your life, do you think?

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I think my faith has helped me a lot in regards to like my mental stability. Because sometimes, as I say, I get overstimulated. Sometimes things can come too much and I'm just like, ugh, that's too much. Too much is going on. there's too much motion in the ocean no but seriously it keeps me grounded it keeps me um stable it keeps me it helps me have the ability to be like no and yes because obviously I have my morals and have things that I stand by and then things I'm like um no I don't want to do that yes I'll do that and I feel like that also helps me in the industry because I feel like you can get lost

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yeah

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with saying yes to certain things and doing certain things. And if you live by a certain, like, if you live a certain way and know certain things, there's certain things you wouldn't be wanting to do. Does that make sense? I guess it helps me feel as if like there's someone there all the time. Like, yes, I have my friends. Yes, I have my family, but they're not available 24 seven. You know, like if I need you in that moment, They could be, their life happens too. Like I wouldn't expect my friends to be there for me 24 seven. I know they're there for me 24 seven, but for instance, you have a child or like my other friends work a nine to five. So, you know, but if I pray, I'm like, okay, I know there's someone there for me 24 seven, whenever I need them on speed dial and they're going to make it happen. Amen. Love that. Oh man. Maybe I should start a podcast. Hey guys.

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I just love your accent. It's so fun.

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Tatiana told someone else from Detroit the other day. She won't let that go. It's

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just

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a

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small

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little joke. So in America, what really goes for me sometimes is my British accent. Yeah. She

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turns it on. She's been here since she was 17. Tatiana says I turn it

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on. I don't turn it on. But sometimes I heighten my accent. British ability. I'd be like, hi, my name's Eva. I'm from London. If I want to really stretch it and we're somewhere, I'd be like, yeah, it's my first time in New York. She'd be like... She's

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been in New York 20 million times and she'll say that and I'm looking like...

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I'm like, it's my first time. They'd be like, oh my gosh, we have discount.

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So to humble her, I told someone she was from Detroit, just as a joke.

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I'm here speaking, he's like, where are y'all from? Oh, she was like, I'm from New York. She's from Detroit. I said, what? So now this person is thinking I was faking my British accent the whole time. So said, so done. I think I'm a liar out there.

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What's something that you've had to unlearn recently that's changed your perspective?

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I have had to learn very hardly that you shouldn't expect people to accept that's how I am. Does that make sense? Like if you do something and then someone said they don't like it and you say, that's just how I am. You can't do that. Especially if you care about a person, your friend, your boyfriend, your family. That's not how you are. If someone is saying they don't like a certain way you've acted, I'm sorry, I'll do better. Not just, that's how I am and you have to put up with it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I feel

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that. They don't.

SPEAKER_00:

You were very much, that's how I am, huh? Yeah. Take it or leave it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I was very much, take it or leave it. And then it's like, I would expect people to stay and then when they leave, I'd be like... You left? Oh my gosh. How dare you? But it's like, they had their boundaries. They had their morals. And it's like, are you upset with the situation? I wouldn't expect that from someone that I care about. And I'm like, you know what? You're right. I will do better. Not just, that's how I am.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. That's good. That's

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grown. I'm growing

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up, guys. She's growing up, guys. That's beautiful. You're going to be 25. Hold it. This is baby sis right here. Not too much. So when did you cut your hair off? Because... I cut my hair when

SPEAKER_01:

I was 16.

SPEAKER_00:

When you were 16? Mm-hmm. You had a shortcut when I met... Oh, yeah. Oh, so we actually, we met through Brianna. You're like the third person I've had on my podcast that I've met through Brianna. I have to have Brianna on.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you have to.

SPEAKER_00:

Because that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

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That's crazy. Shout out to you, Bri. Shout out to you, Bri. Matt Brand. We met at a Matt Brand shoot. Mm-hmm. You had a long wig, right?

SPEAKER_01:

No, I didn't have a wig then. You

SPEAKER_00:

didn't have a wig? No, I had short hair. I had on a wig. You

SPEAKER_01:

had on a wig. You always have a wig.

SPEAKER_00:

I had a wig at the back time. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I had short hair.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Yeah, and I was by

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myself. I came to New York from Philly and she wanted to shoot. I was like, okay, what was I doing there? What was I doing

SPEAKER_00:

there? What were you doing? I was just

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doing anything.

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What were you doing in Philly?

SPEAKER_01:

My dad's mom lives in Philly. So my dad's African American, basically. So I've been coming to, from 17, I was coming to just see my family. And then it became I'm coming to see my friends. Then it became I'm coming to work.

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Got it. So you're from Philly a little bit. Say Philly. Is that a joke? Okay, I would have said Philly. Yes. We out here. You're from Philly. Yeah. What do they call people from Philly? I don't know. I don't know. So it's such a demanding life. You travel so much. How do you pour into yourself and take time mentally, physically, emotionally?

SPEAKER_01:

It depends where I am. If I'm in London, if I'm home, I see my friends. Even actually, no, wherever I go and I have friends in the city, I'll see my friends. Yeah,

SPEAKER_00:

you have friends everywhere.

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Yeah, I'll see my friends. That pours a lot into me because I love my friends daily. I'll do anything for them. I work out. I go to the gym. I pray. I feel like that helps. And I book a massage the first time. Let's get into the real thing. Book a massage. To be honest, I only started doing that recently. When I travel, I'll book a massage or try something new in the city that I'm in. Usually, I'll just go straight to bed. I go to the beach. I run into the ocean. Me and Tatiana did that the other day. We ran into the ocean. It was such a fun moment. It was so

SPEAKER_00:

cute. I love us because I feel like we act like big kids.

SPEAKER_01:

No, that's not what happens Tatiana, no. Tatiana triggers me to do stuff. So she will just be walking normally. And she'll be like, let's race. I'm like, oh, okay. And I'm with it. I feel like you did it the first time. No, no, Tatiana. I said, Tatiana, let's go to the ocean. Let's take a sweet walk. You did not say that. Yes, I did. You started running, Eva. No, Tatiana, you said, let's race. Yeah, she said, let's race. She said, fast, let's race. And then we run into the ocean. And then they say, she's like, I'll be late. I bet you won't go. I said, bet me that I won't go. I bet you won't go. And then I'll get up and I'm ready and I'm going. She just triggers me in the best way.

SPEAKER_00:

And I think that you match the energy. That's why I trigger you.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I'll be at home in London. She's like, I think we should do this and go here. I said, okay,

SPEAKER_00:

I'll book my flight right now. So what does softness look like to you on a daily basis? Soft life? Softness, soft life, whatever you use. Okay,

SPEAKER_01:

this is where I

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thrive. Thrive, huh? To me,

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soft life is not worrying about anything. Like, I give myself a soft life, so I expect a soft life, you know? So it could be waking up in the morning and I make myself breakfast. I get up, I don't feel like I'm in a rush. No one's rushing me. You're just eased. You're just eased, you know?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

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Like, I ordered myself an Uber. Like, you know? Stuff that... Because sometimes...

SPEAKER_00:

Wait, what do you mean you order yourself an Uber? Like,

SPEAKER_01:

I am blessed enough to order myself an Uber. Some people have to walk to the bus stop.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, true, true. Do you get what I mean? Okay, no, you're being super grateful. Okay, I didn't get that. I was confused. I'm like, you order yourself an Uber?

SPEAKER_01:

No, but do you get what I mean? Like,

SPEAKER_00:

just stuff like that. Like, instead of driving or having to walk.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. Self-life would be coming home, having a slow night, doing my skincare. Yeah. Like... putting my tea bed aside, watching my movie. But I hate when people just come and just rattle everything. And I feel like I'm

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rushed. I'm like... Yeah, I hate being rushed. I hate being rushed. If I have to rush, I don't want to go anymore.

SPEAKER_01:

But Tatiana takes her time. Tatiana will still be getting ready. I'm at the door. Sometimes I have to stand by the door and be like, Tatiana, I'm at the door. She'll be like, I'm coming, I'm coming.

SPEAKER_00:

No, but what Eva does... First of all, your hair's already done. So that's like first and foremost. And then what Eva does, you do this thing where... She just leaves the bathroom. She doesn't say, I'm finished. She doesn't say, okay, let's go at this time. You just will leave the bathroom. And the way that I know that Eva is ready is I will just hear different TikToks. Don't call me that. She's calling her son, Eva. I'm like, Eva, are you ready? You've never said anything. So her life is so soft that she's so soft spoken that you just don't speak. You don't use your words. Because how am I supposed to know? Now a half hour has gone past and you've been sitting in the bed. But dinner's at 10.45. Tatiana knows dinner's at

SPEAKER_01:

10.45. Tatiana starts doing her makeup at 10.30. I'm going to leave the house. Me, I've already started my makeup at 10.20. Tatiana, 10.30, she's starting her makeup. So five minutes later. And then makeup, and then she has to do her hair. Then she has to get her outfit. Then she has to make her body glow. And then she has to take her pictures before she leaves. No, no, no. That's five things.

SPEAKER_00:

Eva, I have not taken any pictures. Okay, so out of that, actually, who do you think is worse? Who takes more pictures? That of me and you. I think it's the same. I think it's the same. But I think that we... So what are we trying to get with that? I don't know. I want to see if you're going to say me. No, it's the

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same. But we're the sort of people, if it's not like work, we don't have to. Yeah, like we'll be like, oh, here, just get a quick pic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I love about you. It's not like too much.

SPEAKER_00:

Welcome back. We just took a short commercial

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break.

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This

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isn't ASMR. Go Tatiana. ASMR, you mean? What? This isn't ASMR. Yes. Just feel relaxed as you hear our voice.

SPEAKER_00:

Your voice is not relaxing. It is actually.

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Exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

Tatiana, do the voice that you ask. When you want something, do the voice.

SPEAKER_00:

What?

SPEAKER_01:

Say you want a new... Say you want me to go pick up that box over there.

SPEAKER_00:

Eva mistakes manners just for me acting different.

SPEAKER_01:

Tatiana, do the voice. I said, Eva... No, Tatiana, do the voice.

SPEAKER_00:

Eva, please. Please, could you do this for me, please?

SPEAKER_01:

That's not the voice, Tatiana.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know how to do it unless I need to do it.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, do the eyes. The eyes have to do the voice.

SPEAKER_00:

Go ahead. So you think I'm a manipulator? No,

SPEAKER_01:

you just know how to use your looks and your voice for something that you want. Wow. Don't worry, I do too.

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly. No, Eva, you are, like, you're crazy. The way you do it, you're funny. Like, you should be an actress. Have you started, have you thought about acting?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, but it's so much work. I feel like the goal in my life is to stop working. I don't want to give myself more work. So, I mean, like, if I'm not already doing it now, like, I don't know, in something I'm already doing now, to start something new. I

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feel that. Especially, I think acting is also just super political. And

SPEAKER_01:

also similar to modern art, doing auditions and castings, like, I know how hard it is to, like, break through in something

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I can't. I don't want to break anything else.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm good, y'all. I can't lie.

SPEAKER_00:

It's enough on my plate. I know I wanted to eat. I'm

SPEAKER_01:

just waiting to get married. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And, yeah. Speaking of that, so, what do you see, like, what do you see yourself in five years? Do you see yourself married in five years with kids in five years? Because I feel like when I was your age, like, oh, by 30, I want to be married with kids. Like, do you want to be married?

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I want to be married, yes. I feel like that would... balance me out so much I want to have kids but God willing you know my time is not his time but my time is definitely I know when I'm going to get married and if the man comes in my life at a certain point or someone else comes at a certain point and like you know what am I right now like let's go

SPEAKER_00:

She has a Pinterest board and everything already of her wedding. No,

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seriously, I have a Pinterest board of my wedding ring. I have a Pinterest board of my wedding. I have a Pinterest board of my bachelorette. I have a Pinterest board of my engagement party. I have a Pinterest board of my whole entire wedding. I have a Pinterest board of my dream home. The Bible says, plan to fail, fail to plan.

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What is your relationship with beauty and skincare? I feel like everyone looks to you on top of fashion. You're just such a... I don't wash my

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face every night. That can be so serious with that. Yes, finish your question. Sorry, I cut you off. Do you

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wash your face? I

SPEAKER_01:

wash my face every night,

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yeah. What are your five go-to beauty products? Top five.

SPEAKER_01:

Top five? Top five. I need a good serum. A good face cream. Name them. Damn. Okay. Most of everything I'm using is face. Okay. On my actual body. Skin butter, I promise it's not an ad. Like literally, because we don't... Do you ship to London? I do. Oh, I thought she didn't. So I had to take my best friend, her own tub. That tub finished. And she has begged me ever since to bring another tub. I keep forgetting. It's serious. So, and the exfoliator. I use that in the shower. But I don't use it every day. I use it like twice a week. She's never told me this. I promise this is not an ad. And then I use skin butter, and then I use Vaseline, the gel one, right? And then I let my butt, like, air dry.

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Gotta let it marinate. Yeah, air dry.

SPEAKER_01:

And then I'll use all my body glow stuff. On my face, I use Rode Skin Cream.

SPEAKER_00:

I actually really like Rode.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I use the Rode, like, three of them. If I want something light and hydrating on my skin, I use Rode. If I want something heavy, I'll use, like, a La Mer or August, August something.

SPEAKER_00:

Augustine Bake. Augustine, the blue one. Yes, I'll use that,

SPEAKER_01:

like the heavy cream. I have like loads of different things and I cater to what my skin wants in the exact moment. So I couldn't give you the exact product for my body. That's why I use.

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Boom, bam. Thank you, ma'am. Love it. So what makes you feel just cozy? Like what grounds you? What makes you feel like you're within yourself, grounded, Eva at 100%? Where

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am I? Give me a setting. Am

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I a home? Can it be anywhere? No matter where you are in the world, what makes you feel cozy?

SPEAKER_01:

My bed.

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Your bed?

SPEAKER_01:

My bed.

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Home in your bed.

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Or in a hotel bed. Yeah. Just in a bed. Bed. Just a bed. Any bed. And like an oversized hoodie. A good oversized hoodie. Like clean, fresh, clean body, fresh, clean skin and bed. Yes. See, I love a robe. I love a robe. Tatiana lives in a robe. Tatiana, she got to share a robe. Wake up in the morning, robe.

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I'm like, dang, girl. Yeah, I love a robe. At home, I love a robe. Yeah. If we were not in Miami right now, now is the time where I would give you your gift, which would be a skin butter and a robe, but I'll ship it to you. Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_01:

Just one tub?

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I'll send you multiple. Thank you so much. God bless you. Of course. God will bless you too. Thank you. Amen. Amen. Inshallah. But thank you so much for coming on a cozy space with me, Tatiana Elizabeth.

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And me, Evapio. Thank you guys for watching.

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Thank you guys for watching. Love you guys. Comment, watch, subscribe.

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And share with your friends. And share with your friends. Have a good day.