Undeceive Yourselves! Respell The World: The Great Cosmic Mother pt5

"Imagination is a memory moving both forward and backward in time."

- Barbara Mor, The Great Cosmic Mother

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The world can feel like it’s sliding into something colder and meaner, and we’ve both caught ourselves wondering why so many people seem numb to it. So we turn back to the last two chapters of The Great Cosmic Mother, where the authors name the end result of patriarchal religion and patriarchal power: a profane world stripped of spirit, where bodies and the Earth get treated like objects, markets demand endless consumption, and “meaning” gets replaced with control.

We talk through the chapter’s brutal clarity about addiction to artificial energy, the way systems train us to blame victims, and how power keeps itself alive by pitting us against each other. Then we step into the book’s answer: politics alone cannot carry us, and spirituality that ignores politics is just another escape hatch. What we actually need is a refusion of spirit and flesh, a return to the lived truth that we are connected, and a commitment to respell the stories that run our minds.

That’s where “witchy” stops being a costume and becomes a metaphor for reclaiming imagination. We connect the dots to modern capitalism, AI anxiety, and the tech-bro dream of mechanizing everything, then bring it back to what we can do right now: make something, sing with people, take a library craft class, build tiny pockets of real community, and let creativity become a form of resistance.

After you listen, tell us what story you’re ready to respell, then subscribe, share the show with a friend, and leave a review so more magic children can find us.

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Listener Review Shoutout And Thanks

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The very first thing that we got to talk about is a major shout out to Apple Podcast user Katie Myers. That's I'm reading it. Kitty Myers. Yeah. I like it. So we got a really fabulous and heartfelt review. And we just want to thank you. Yeah. And I hadn't mentioned before, I'm like, if you leave a review, we'll send you something. And then I found out that I can't even reply on Apple Podcasts. So this is like the shout out. And we're looking for you. Email us at biting all the apples at gmail.com. I'm going to keep it real simple and I'll send you something. Yeah. Because you digital. I mean, you changed our whole mood. I know. Like, I mean, it really was. I mean, it was so fun. Like I shared it with my husband. My husband got excited. I mean, it's just nice to hear, right? It really is. And I think that that is kind of the fun of an indie thing because I'm like, oh yeah, so people are listening. That's really cool. Thank you. Yeah. And also, like, I really like that she described how she found us because you find things the way I find things. Because I'll be like reading something. I'm like, I wonder if someone else has something to say on this. Exactly. And you found us and we're so happy. I know. And it does make me, there are a lot more people like that where it's like, that is the still good side of the internet. See if you're one of those people that you're like, well, I'm reading this thing, but I want to know about this and this, and I want to know what other people like how they're approaching it, and this is so so awesome. And all that to say, we really do appreciate feedback. And for our podcast, and I'm gonna speak for every other, just kind of like indie artist, podcaster person, it really does make a difference when people comment. It does. It makes a huge difference. Thanks, Kitty. You're in the you're in the tribe. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. We

Magic Children Welcome And Setup

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must remember the chemical connections between our cells and the stars, between the beginning and now. We must remember and reactivate the primal consciousness of oneness between all living things. We must return to that time in our genetic memory, in our dreams, when we were one species born to live together on Earth as her magic children. Well, hello, magic children. You're listening to Biting All the Apples, the bookie podcast for radical ladies and radical lady lovers. Today we're coming to you with inspiring instructions on respelling the world from the final chapters of the great cosmic mother. That's what Joanna just read to you right now. So fix those earbuds, steady your soul, and grab your spell supplies because we're getting into it. I'm Sarah Kay, and I'm Joanna Vee. And we're your guides to crazy times through sane books. We're not experts, but who is? And if you are, why aren't you stepping up and out and guiding us back home? Exactly. What's your problem? Yeah. We need you. We've been asking, have we not? Have we not? We have been, yeah, begging. Yeah, begging. Because it's getting weird. Um, it's getting so that I'm used to the insanity, which I don't like, really. But that's why we have this book that we're yeah, because that helps focus it in. Not that I'm checking out, but the weirder thing is, is everything that you've read about authoritarian takeovers and like how this stuff works, it's like you knew this part was coming where everybody it's I mean it's part of the plan. I've read about it, but everybody's just like just forget, I don't even pay attention. Which makes me like where where I'm like, no, we can't we can't be there. I know, but it's I don't want to be there. I'm terrified, but we're there, we're there, and I since we odd. Yeah, and since we last recorded, I love that we keep on saying, we'll see you next week. We've been a bit on the every other

Catching Up With The News

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week schedule. We had, you know, the sicknesses, sicknesses and illnesses, and then then it's May and it's crazy town. Right. Don't forget we have an educator here. Yeah, crazy town. It's crazy town. We got field trips, we got ceremonies, we got and then I I got a kid that's in dance. Oh, so we got dance recitals, you got all the things. I know. You're like all of things. And you got all the sports of a million of sports. Yeah. I have a million charges in many sports. But at least it's beautiful. It is. So you get to touch grass. You get to touch grass, and it's been a minute since we were back recording, and since then the voting rights act I think that is it is maybe that's when it I'm like, this is I mean, it's in it's insane. And we're not experts. I don't have like a court rundown for y'all, other than if you wanted to rule the country back even further, this this is. It's like they are going like the South is going south, and they're just showing their true colors. And they are here's the thing power colors. What is going to be interesting is yes, the the south it's the people in power and the ones that are in charge of like drawing maps, like, yeah, they are showing their, you know, it's that's the last gasp of the Confederacy. But it's gonna be interesting because it's not the same South as before. No, there's people out protesting in in the South in these chambers, right? And you see, you look in and you just see these old white dudes, and they are old white dudes. Yeah, you're like, I'm not stereotyping, I'm like this is this is legitimately. Could it be 1960 anymore? Like if they just made the pictures black and white, you'd be like, oh, these are old. Yeah. But you're right, like there's a lot of young people. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court is is one that is making all of this possible, which is uh only what the law of the land. Nine frickin' people, which is insane. I don't that's like my only commentary. I'm like, it's insane. It's insane. It's insane, it's insane. It's insane. It's it's unbelievable that we are here. Should have ended in 2016, and here we are. But as reading this book, apparently it started in the 80s. So well it started. Well, before that, but like it really ramped up their in the 80s. When they couldn't when they couldn't be those or sorry, the pro what is what am I trying to do? When they couldn't be the pro-segregation creepy dudes anymore, they had to repackage themselves, and that would be the kind of 80s conservative party. Yeah. Yeah. They're like we need to be. We're gonna we're gonna use the cover of family values.

What The Book Argues About Power

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Yeah. It's it's all about power. It's all about power. Which is why this book, which is where I'm like, I can't help it. I'm just gonna get we keep on saying this book, this book. I mean, I don't know if anybody, if this is if you're starting our podcast with this episode, great. Good, but go back. We're gonna like go back to the no. We are reading, well, we're wrapping up the last two chapters of The Great Cosmic Mother. This is what I want to remind everybody before we get into this. And we are getting into the parts that they they kind of summarize. There's two chapters where they kind of resummarize like all the horrors of the of the state of the world. And then it really, this is where it moves into almost like manifesto poetry style stuff where they give answers, like this is what we need to do. Yeah, and motive motivates you, it makes you gives you some warm fuzzies. Or like excited fuzzies. Yeah, excited, jazzy fuzzies, jazz, jazzy and fuzzies. Fuzzies. Fuzzies, firework fuzzies, but quick reminder that the crux, like the gist, the big idea of the great cosmic mother is that patriarchal religions created by men have separated all of us from the very source that connects and supports us. Yeah. And I mean, that's just the gist. That's the summary. That is the summary. And by making us forget, we become scared and vulnerable. And they offer solutions that take our power, our knowing away, and use our life force energy, our minds, attention, and labor to benefit the ruling class, the priest class. Yep. They take our power, which is that we're all connected. We all have intuition and magic, connectedness, innate power, ability to care for people and patient, right? Everything. The earth. Yeah. They're like, but we want the power. And this is how we'll get it out. We'll get it. And we will just push you into a little box where you have to stay there. And you all hate each other, which is what this yeah. Yeah. That's what's happening. Right? Yeah. And so that's the recap of the main like thing of the book. The gist that we've been walking you through these past four episodes. And uh just want to note that we were fools to think it'd be only be two or three episodes. Yeah, because it is like a giant book. Because we were we were so ambitious. We were like, season two is gonna be way different. We're gonna just we're gonna rock through a million books. Yeah, but we're gonna be rocking. Yeah. But this book, you had to take it slow. Yeah. As much as we were just talking where we almost admitted that we're like, we're totally numbed out. I'm like, actually, we're rocking. We are rocking. I mean, we're not sitting still. Yeah. I'm not in my house with the shutters shut. That's right. So, and now finally we're getting to the chapters with the hope and the poetry and all that jazz.

A World Emptied Of Spirit

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So, yeah. Well, technically, this chap next chapter, The Great Flight Home, does provide a little devastating recap of the horrific effects of the patriarchy. Yeah. Um, and it's pretty. It's like a shot to the heart, kind of. So the the two chapters that we're going to be discussing are The Great Flight Home and then Respell the World. And so this The Great Flight Home is really so they built this all up. They're like, this is how these things happened. And I think that the Great Flight Home we were talking about before, where I'm like, I they're like repeating, and I'm like, it's not that they're repeating, they're summarizing, they're like, so that's how the patriarchy worked, those are the things they did, and now they're really like, and this is all this this is the effects of that. Dot dot dot, the magic flight home. Right? Here we are. I know. We're gonna go home and we're gonna we're gonna fly out of here into the magic flight home. A new old world. The new world world starts in the name of God. What patriarchy has finally achieved is the completely profane world. What Western patriarchy has given us in in God's name is a world wholly emptied of spirit. The whole desecrated cosmos is a recent discovery in the history of the human spirit. That's what the thesis of this whole chapter is that very first sentence. In the name of God, what patriarchy has finally achieved is the completely profane world. I know we promised everybody that there is like this is what we need to do. But this is a bit of a recap and to explain how freaking profane. And they talk about porn and all this stuff. So Yeah, how they made us feel repressed, and then it made us do other weird things because they're holding us back from our true innate what we know would make us, you know, happy and better. By abstracting spirit from flesh, by utterly demonizing the physical world and women as its source, patriarchy has almost destroyed the home of spirit, which is sacred earth and all flesh. In its place, patriarchy has built a sordid wasteland of material products, profit and power systems, and death machines, the inevitable result of 4,000 years of militant life hatred and cynical mercantilism. Yeah. I had to say I'm like mercantilism. Our earthly bodies themselves are mechanized and pornographicized, pornographicized. Yeah. Let me just keep saying that word. Offered up for sale as though indeed we had no souls, but existed only as exploitable units in nihilistic market and state systems. And that's what we are. Depressing. Yeah. But they're not. But tell me where that's wrong. It's it's we're it's what we are, and you know it. You feel it. Like you know it. We're just owned by Bezos and all these people. We have a lot of stuff, all of us. All of us have got lots of stuff, but has it made the world a better place? Like no. And she talks they're talking a lot about, you know, the female body. And did you have this here where I mean, I won't read too many things about porn, but what can be done under patriarchy to one female body can be done under world patriarchy to the entire body of the earth. And I thought this Yes. Cause so I thought this was great. And this made me think of the AI and you know, Peter Thiel and everything that's happening. The ladies called it. They already knew it was happening. I don't know how we missed it. In fact, everything so that we're talking about buying things in this market of basically materialism is what they're talking about, and profit for few while the rest of us struggle. In fact, everything can be replaced, including us, with those good, efficient, obedient, non-unionized, thoroughly dreamless machines, which has been happening. And it was a little bit in the 80s. Now it's like insane. And when you bring AI into it, it is really uh we're being replaced. In all the plans to colonize space, which Hello. Hello, what's our next step? Mars, the guys want to do. There is a remarkable but predictable absence of any profound urge to contradict or challenge the extant patriarchal definition of the meaning of life. That is so last I almost say last week, wink wink, whatever, it was two weeks ago. Yeah. Or more. But I said something where I'm like, if somebody asked you, and this isn't this is not necessarily meaning of life, but if somebody asked you, like, you know, what's America's thing, like what's America's vision? Yeah, yeah. Get stuff. We don't yeah. We're like, I don't know. We'll see. Yeah. I need to buy weird. So I need to get stuff. Yeah. I hope that stuff makes me happy. Right. And if we don't even have, and we're so I mean, it is so I I would love to know what these ladies think now. But speaking of this just being, you know, desecrated and just totally destructive, like we don't have we don't even respect human life. I don't even know what else to say. Like, I don't, and I don't, there's really not much lower that we can that is we are in the depth. Never say things can't get worse because definitely they definitely can. This does go along, and I think this ties in with where it's

Consumption As The Western Junkie

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like, why isn't anybody doing anything? So further in the chapter, and and we're still we're still kind of in the negging part, but it's good. And like all this, they're so good at it. They're so good at it. And also, like they're writing in the 80s, and it's just like exponentially worse now. Right, right. I'm like, all this stuff is good. Um and so it talks about how horrible we are to the planet and to ourselves and to each other, and you know, pornography. We've plundered we've plundered and ripped. This junkie part is really okay. So the Western world, as we all know, is a total junkie, both in compulsive addiction to consumption and in its foul methods of disposing waste. The number one drug problem in America, surely, is the 24-hour-a-day addiction of the average person to a hundred times more artificial energy from sugar to electricity, from mass entertainment to the bomb than any healthy human being could ever want or need. This is in the 80s. I'm like, oh my gosh, you can only see us now. And like any junkie threatened with a cutoff of supply, America, the Western world generally, can think and act in murderous ways. When I read that first part just about the the junkiness, the junkiness. We're so junky. We got junk. No, but in how we, you know, a lot of stuff we do, and I I do a crap load of it, can consuming and trying to get artificial energy. Isn't it interesting that we are the only living creatures that do that? Yeah. Because other creatures haven't had like patriarchal religion forced on them. So when we're taking away our own natural connection and life force, they're also taking away our like our soul energy. Yes. And we're just trying to fill it and we're trying to fill it. Things that will never fill it. Trying to fill it. Yeah. Never fill it. To what we But also, I think people do need to recognize how bad it is. Because, like I said, I didn't know. I I mean I thought it, but I didn't spend a lot of time on it until the world was literally my world. Of course, it's always egocentric, right? Right. Until my world was like, oh, things are not right. Right. Right? The patriarchal West cannot solve its energy problems because our minds and spirits were long ago cut off from the real source of energy. Creative power. This is the sexual spiritual source of cosmic ecstasy, which patriarchy has denied in favor in favor of manipulative, moralistic, and rationalistic energies. As moral and rational energies themselves dwindle, with a lingering patriarchal framework, only the most decadent, bizarre, and vicious energies seem to erupt in their place, and they are in the seat of our government. These criminal energies do not result from the absence of patriarchy as the fundamentalists preach. Rather, they are the corrupt residues and grotesque spasms of the dying patriarch himself, which I hope he's dying. I know, I hope you're dying in deathbed like forever. Oh my god, forever. It is. Do you see this in italics underneath? It says, evil is that which prevents the unfolding of the one. Yes. You're like, you know. And I think when they're saying the one here, they're talking about a collective one of universal

How Systems Turn Us Against Each Other

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oneness with the earth. Yeah, the one. The cosmos. That's it. We haven't said it yet this episode, but we'd love to read you the whole book. But so according to this definition, surely all of patriarchal society is evil. Even in its death rows, it attempts to pit us all against each other as economic enemies, as political enemies, as racial enemies, as religious enemies, worker against worker, white against dark, man against women, belief against belief, as patriarchal systems begin and end by instigating competitiveness for survival, i.e., by trying to make communalism, mutual cooperation impossible. And that is I wanted to read that part because it's so, like you said, we need to be reminded, we're being pitted against each other. The whole point of this book to me is to understand that politics isn't enough. No. You know, when you just said like you're like, well, I hadn't like thought about like how bad you're like, I knew it was bad, but you don't think about like it is spiritually bad. It's like soul bottom bad. Soul bottom bad. So I like that. That's where we are. And I we're at soul bottom bad. Yeah, we're at soul bottom bad. And I think to have books like this that give you the words, because that's what that's what's happening while we're reading it. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, no, that's why it's bad. We're pitted against each other. And and I know even so if we're thinking like politics, we've heard that, especially for the past like 10, this past decade, they're like, oh, they're you know, they're trying to get us pitted against each other. But we're only thinking of that in like red state, blue state pitted against each other. I'm like, no, no, we're talking like deep, soul bottom, soul bottom pitted. That's right. Western patriotism. Has plundered, raped, co-opted, ripped off, brutalized, and massacred lavishly. Always in the name of God. God is always available to justify what cannot otherwise be justified. The Holy Bible itself is the first written example of this phenomenon. Western Christians have convinced themselves that this God virtually gave them the entire earth to use, to control, to profit from, and in the final insult, to missionize, to teach spirit to through a rifle barrel, if necessary. By the way, I wish we had video for your reading of that because it was really good, you guys. It was like so good. So the next few pages are really breaking down like the modern Christianity. For example, the biblically derived capitalist spiritual experience in particular has never been an adventure of spirit, but an indulgence of extreme individualism and self-righteousness in pursuit of personal profit, personal enhancement. Always at the expense of the whole world. Yeah. In here they talk about the um justification that God makes some people poor. Oh my god, yeah. So that others can learn something from them. That poverty and pain are karmic situations brought on by one's behavior in past lives, that one chooses one's life absolutely, and some people choose to suffer. It's challenging. I know all these ex these explanations, that's in quotes, are spiritual versions of blaming the victim. They derive from patriarchal religious systems, which were purposely designed to rationalize hierarchies, injustice, and the status quo. And this is one of my favorite sentences, this next one. I'm like, so just sit, are you listen, perk your ears up? All patriarchal systems are self-justifying, and the mind dwelling within these systems is capable of monstrous rationalizations in order to keep those tautologies intact. Monstrous.

Spiritual Blame And Capitalist Christianity

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That's all you need to know. Yeah. They move into what's necessary or what we need to start doing. This this uh feminine spirituality must begin with the fact of being alive as a biological body on a living and conscious biological planet. This is the human ontological condition. This is the condition of all human evolution and all creative human activity. Those who embrace spirituality as an escape from politics, as a transcendence of political exgeneses simply do not understand what feminist spirituality means at its root. The joining of the conscious body and the conscious spirit in the ongoing epiphany of experienced evolution. And you see that, and this is what this book is kind of like. Don't use that to escape. It's almost, I don't know if they're trying to say like it's almost not impossible, but for true spirituality, you can't be alone or isolated in it. No, it's communal. It's an expert and it could be communal both you and a tree. And it's yeah, but it's the politics that like that are the politics as in like the patriarchy that are getting, you know, in the way. Don't mix them up. Don't get a mix. The ladies are like, hold up. Because this is where with that in this world at this point, no political revolution is sustainable if if it is also not a spiritual revolution. Yeah. A complete ontological birth of new beings out of the old, equally, no spiritual activity deserves respect if it is not at the same time politically responsible, i.e., responsive activity. Yeah. We need to rethink the way that we think the world was. But we need to get ready for the next stage of human evolution. That's what I'm saying. Okay. Um, the envisioned, is that how you say that? Envisaged, envisioned self. Envisioned, envisioned self-vision. But that's there's no N in it. I know. That's why I'm like, just make it ours. Who's gonna know? Your own self is the next stage of human evolution, and it will be born explicitly from the refusion of experienced spirit and experienced flesh, not as a means toward any externally established end, but as a consciously perceived process of evolution unfolding itself. We are evolving, and it's going to happen not by growing an extra arm or anything, but by using this thing in our head and exploring what we feel innately. And that your soul and your spirit, those spiritual things, your mind and your spirit are the same thing, right? Did you get that from what shit they were saying? Like your thoughts are your spirituality. That's what I got from that. I don't know if you guys so uh that's what I took from it. Yeah, like your intuition and your your knowing is your spirituality. Yes, but thoughts are that's where remember that's like what um the male god, I mean not thoughts, but that's what they they try to take away. And they even made your thoughts sins. Yeah, yeah. You will be feel guilty if you think that. I know. Evolution itself is a time process, seemingly a relentlessly

Why Spirit And Politics Must Merge

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linear unfolding, but biology also dreams, and in its dreams and waking visions, it outleaps time as well as space. It experiences pre-vision, clairvoyance, telepathy, synchronicity. Thus, what we have, what has been called a magical capacity built into our genes. It is built into the physical universe. Synchronicity is a quantum phenomenon. This is my notes are I'm like, this is super woo-woo. Yeah, I love the woo-woo. But it is, it's so it's woo-woo, good woo-woo woo. But this, we've talked before about that ability to dream, and that, you know, we've read this whole book, and their answer is they're like, you gotta get back to that, people. You gotta open up that. Yeah, and that and that ability to do that. So you said this, the spirituality is connected to your brain. The creativity, all of those things are what is God, right? Um, I don't know why this is in italics. I don't know if this is what she's saying, because there's nobody that quotes it, but it's like a little looks like a quote, it's in italics. God is the universe. We are all now living inside the body of God. There is nowhere to go to get there. We are already here. There is nowhere to go to get outside of God. There is just a forgetting of this truth. It is impossible not to be living right now and always within God's body. It is only possible to be aware or unaware of this fact. And I'm aware. Trip out on that. I'm aware. Did you see this? And then there's the um set amongst this long galactic terrestrial and human time of knowing our oneness. The past 4,000 years of patriarchy's institutional and doctrinal denial of our oneness, once we see it for what it was, will appear a mere aberration. Just a brief forgetting. Yeah. Just a just a whatever. And you know what's cool? Is we're here for this. We're here for this, ladies and give us a little bit of a good one. We're here and gentlemen. Yeah. Just that brief 4,000 years. Yeah. It'll be gone. It's a sneeze. No one's gonna remember this. A blink. It'll be like, these people were so crazy. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, oh my god, for 4,000 years, just people were just stupid. All of that leads us into. Hopefully, if you just got this, just a brief forgetting, you're like, well, what? Where do we end up? But and I will tell you this. This is a little bit of a spoiler alert. I was hoping there was gonna be like step-by-step. Oh, yeah. And also a like, you know, walk around a grave 12 times backwards at midnight. That would be great. Yeah. Because then we could just get on with it. Right. Apparently, we all have to do a little bit of inner work. But you gotta share this podcast. Right. We need more people. That's right. So that moves us into the final chapter, Respell the World. And to me, this is this is more of almost like a manifesto because it is, it's poetic, it's beautiful. And we're leading you to come with us. And what I want to mention, in case I doubt anybody cool enough to listen to this, would be like spells, it's like witchy stuff. But the another like whole point of this book is that we've been taught to think of spells and witches as like this horrible thing. Meanwhile, we have all been under the spell of capitalism. Yeah. Yeah, we have. And that is through the myths and stories that we've all come to believe. And the purpose of this chapter is to say that's where you fix it, y'all. Yeah. Shake it off. You re-spell it by looking at and changing these stories

Imagination As Evolutionary Magic

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and myths. Change the narrative. Change the narrative. Change your thinking. That's right. Your thoughts. Yeah. It's time. It is time. It is time. She says, so to re-spell the world means to redefine the root of our being. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we need we need to lead. Do you have this highlight? I'm like, if we don't if Joanna doesn't have this highlighted, so I'm on 425. Perhaps ancient women had access to psychic and physical powers we have forgotten. Yeah. I'm almost like, not perhaps. Nope. Almost 100%. Nope, they did. 100%. Yeah. Ancient people of both sexes living under the Stone Age great mother, like those remaining of Earth's primal people today, had magical powers of telepathy, clairvoyance, precognition, teletransportation, fire lights. They took it away. I wonder, did we really? I don't know. But I also crazier things. You know, I think teletransports cats. You had to know I was going to say that. Oh. You had to know I was going to say that. I believe that. Because sometimes they just pop out of nowhere. Or they'll be sitting there and you're like, how can you just sit in that one spot in the middle of the rug for so long? And they're like, because I'm not. I'm not here. Get it. Right? Because tele teletransportation is that. You're not like moving your. It's not like um, you can go Star Trek like yeah, you're not like dissolving yourself and then traveling yourself. But you're not going to be able to do that. No, but you leave, maybe go to Mars. So not all of us forgot because people that do those things have been there. They were made fun of or like, you know, uh poo-pooed. Put in jail to burned. Yeah. Oh, well then, yeah. Uh I was talking about the 80s, but um they weren't burning them in the 80s. But yeah. Well, they were sentencing, if you remember the like West Memphis Three were sentenced to death. Oh. There's pe even if you wore like a Metallica t-shirt. What? Pagans. Remember Satanic Panic. I remember that, but I don't remember anybody getting Yeah. Whoa. You've never seen all those documentaries about the West Memphis Three? No. Oh my god. I have not. I guess. Well, now I got things to do. I was gonna say is I'm on this page. Yeah, you're fabulous. Um that we can imagine, as no other creature on Earth can do, signifies our uniqueness. That's right. Both its quality and here you go, its purpose. We are the imagining animals. We are the ones who participate in the Earth's evolutionary process of imagination. It's us. It is us. Our our imagination could be more powerful than an A-bomb. Yeah. But we're giving it over to a story. Yeah. And to a story. And to, yeah, all I mean, yes, I mean it's very simple to be like and we're giving it over to our phones. That's way beyond that, y'all. But it is these stories, these origin stories, these uh bullshit, you know, patriotism stories. And yeah. Well, we already know the story. Yeah. We know the important person. It was him. Right. And I'm just a you know, it really is this. Um, you probably have this too, imagination, which is a form of memory moving both forward and backward in time. Yes. The creative process itself, perhaps the greatest harm patriarchy has done to us is stifle, is that cooped? Co-opt. Oh, co-opt. Why would I know the word co-opt, but it's very I just had the same problem with annihilate. I know you're like, I've never heard that word. I'm looking at it, I'm like, I know this word. I know it's a menopause. I bet it's menopause amendments. Stifle, co-opt, and deform our powers of imagination. And I think uh moralisms, dualistic dogmas, repressive prohibitions block our imagination at its source. Yeah, block it right at our source because we don't have to think. It's already been done. Yeah. They killed our imagination. But this that is why, and people pay a lot of lip service. I'm seeing it where they're like, it's artists that, you know, get us through. And that is true. The problem now is artists, we are in such advanced capitalism. Any artists that can like make a living off their nobody, nobody is, it's all rich people's kids, you know. So even the like the art that reaches people like nationally or you know, can make like a national movement, is it's all like filtered through capitalism. Right. So people are, but that doesn't mean it's hopeless. I'm just saying that's how like fucked we are. But I know there's people individually doing their stuff. Like, we're here making a podcast, we like write stuff. I know there's people like making art and doing that. Well, even it's just more important than than you may think. So keep doing it. I've been watching a lot of these um one day choirs because they they'll do like a song, they're doing some really great stuff. But I'm like, it's so therapeutic to and to have hundreds of people singing a song. These are mostly songs of resistance that I'm getting. They're coming together, singing these songs of r resistance. There's like a bunch of different people, hundreds of people. Where where are they doing this? Oh, churches, they show up. So it's all around the United States. Um, and they'll just say, Hey, we're doing a one-day choir, Who Wants to Come? They just did a mashup of like war pigs, uh, all these war songs. It was fabulous. And you could just um and and it was uh I think it was mixed with uh Rage Against the Machine, so it ended with all these, and it was a whole range of people like that's evolution, baby. Evolution! And it reminds me, I was just telling you, I was telling Joanna about oh, I'm like really taking advantage of these art, art and craft classes at the local libraries. That's plural, because if you really get into them, you're like, well, what's the next town over? What are they doing weaving? What have they got? Some crafty crafts for me. The thing that I think is astounding is they

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are full. Everyone I've gone to has 20 to 30, and it it's women, it's mostly women, but there's been a few, I mean, everybody's invited, but seeing people gather and create- you know, in combination with reading, you know, people coming together to like make stuff with their hands, you know, in create, imagine. So it really is where it's at. I think that the problem is at least the for me, okay, in viewing and trying to, you know, not have a nervous breakdown in this, in this political climate and in our murderous world, is that is all of that messaging is so strong, it's so broad and it's like out of touch that it feels like when you it feels like getting together with a few people or doing your art, you're like, but that's not gonna do anything or whatever. But it's no, I know that's why I'm like you that we can lose sight of that. Yeah. Where the And this this this you so you already knew that. Well, since the beginning, um, because you've been with me through my whole breakdown. You've always said, make you did you're you're freaking out, go make something with your hands. And you're right. It's true. It's true. It's a thought, like write a poem. It makes you it literally, I don't know what it does, but it's obviously what we need. And now I know that I'm not alone. If you think about it, the reason that the machine, the man, the patriarchy is kind of anti-art, anti-creativity is well, one, because it you know involves like complex thinking, which may make you be like, wait, you guys are kind of idiots. Wait, we're murdering people, you know, like wait a minute. Yeah, they'll be like, wait a minute. Jesus wanted. And on top of that, when you make something, you are reminded, wait, I can make stuff. Like, why was I raised to believe that I have to like do all this stuff so then I can apply to a thing where I can be humiliated and bossed around, right? Like, think that's what I'm saying. Like you're not a good yeah. So anytime you can make something with your hands or with your voice or in community, I mean I have to it is it is resistance. This book is saying politics are not enough. Yeah, no, like even if we change, even if we like vote in a good, you know, well more left-leaning Democrat, like we're still, we're still under, you know, we're still under the boot. Yeah. Under the boot, y'all. And that's why we gotta get get handsy with our praxies. Right. Get handsy. I know, I know. Um I was gonna go here. Yeah, go for it, go for it. Patriarchal mystics are out of resonance with the earth spirit, with ecstasy, and with the dead. Most of all, they are out of contact with female energy. Their patriarchal worldviews are based on a biophobic denial of this creative female energy that is in both women and men. All of us live in societies constructed out of this denial. Societies that have attempted for four millennia to repress and destroy the bisexual nature of us all. What is ecstasy? It's our original state of being. It is the conscious expansion of the universe into a multitude of interconnected dimensions and forms. And dimensions we may not be able to see yet. Yeah. It is her dance of being from which all of us were born. Ecstasy is passion, self-expressed through form. We need to get back to our ecstasy. We need to get back to our creativity. We need to not be held back by some government or religion. Here we go. Are evolutionizing. I'm telling you, this whole this whole thing, and as we're wrapping this chapter up, a return to the goddess is not a backward trip through space or time. It's not. The human race cannot really return to infancy. We are too far gone for that. We return to the goddess by remembering, redefining, and respelling, by turning, as in dance, away from one gesture and towards another. Patriarchal ontology is based on three-dimensional reality. Modern physics is showing us that the universe has not four dimensions, but as many as eleven dimensions. Trip out on that, perhaps more. The universe is undergoing a static exponential expansion into eleven or more dimensions. Surely three-dimensional religions cannot

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keep us in touch with such a universe. Oh my gosh. I mean, that is super woo-woo, but it also is stuff that I have heard in legitimate science lectures. And it is like Remember I sent you that video of that lady, and she was like, People always she because she just studies um star two stars far away and they're close to each other. Yeah. And they're like, have it and they people always want to be like, Do you think there's another dimension? And she was like, I mean, I don't want to freak you out or anything. And I was like, you did though, you did. Someone else watch this. I'm freaked out. But they're like, Well, that's why I like it. But it shouldn't excite us. They're like, I'm trying. Trying to, I'm like, I don't know how to tell you. I took one that I I really did take a like a short course of like um reality. Okay. Which is very it was so trippy, but they're like, I it's hard to describe what infinity is. You know, like they're like, so what you're not understanding, what I'm trying to describe to you, you know, and their brains are already been open, and they're like, Oh, you little, yeah, you're coming. Come along. Come along. Come come to this evolution. Come along. We must become beings who do not wish to control life, but only to listen to its music and dance it. This is not easy to do. It might be impossible, but it is our only alternative to mass death, whether by like whether by war or total global mechanization, which um there's a lot of stuff on that with AI, if they just let it take over, which is I think what uh the tech bros would like, because they think that's God. So but would also cause mass death from everything that I've read, at least. And these ladies do it in the 80s. The patriarchal god has only one commandment. Punish life for being what it is. The goddess also has only one commandment. Love life. For it is what it is. Oh my god! I love life! For what it is. For what it is. Cause it is it. Because it's us, it's nature, it's it's your cat. It's making a card for someone. It's library singing with other glasses. Yes. Oh my you guys, check out your library. Check out your library. Oh my gosh. This is I have to read this because it starts with which. Ooh, witch a woman. We are recording very late, so I feel I'm like, I don't think I've conveyed. Maybe I'll have to record some like stuff tomorrow where I'm like, I'm not kidding. You gotta read this very last chapter. It's fucking crazy. Do it! It's really beautiful. It is gorgeous. Witch power, it is said, cannot truly die since it is a real power of the real cosmos. It can't die, it can only be forgotten. Oh my god. That means it can also be re-remembered as the serpent can be awakened from its trance sleep at the bottom of the spine and induced to rise to become again in the luminous flying bird of the imagining mind. Oh my mind. And it just, like I said, this gets super like, you know, it's like metaphorical and poetic. But I'm tingling. But they're making and the more I'm thinking about it, I'm like, they're making their point of saying use the creative mind by using their very beautiful prose to be like, and this is how you do it. This flight is not an escape, but a return. The only way for human beings to survive the end is to return to the beginning. I love you. Look, we're like cosmic mother. Cosmic mother, I love you. This is all the pages. This is all the pages. It's so thick. I I'm not speaking for Joanna because she's awesome. I'm like, I feel I will say I have not done this justice. No, I know. I And I also forget, look, we're we're here. This is like a little bit book cluby. We're just pulling some stuff out. This is so I want other people to read it and I want to be like, what do you think? Tell me what you think. What does it make you think? And tell me a story that goes with that. I wonder if I can imagine some people reading this and being like, oh. I don't know. How can we make whatever? I don't why do I gotta think about that? Yeah, don't. Because like they will leave

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the soul bottom. They just haven't been re-spelled. That's right. Yeah, it and it we are tasked with starting this evolution. Like all of us. If you heard us, I know. I'm so sorry. You're in it. You're in it. You're in this with us. You better be firing up that imagination. I'll tell you that, you know what I like about that chat? Well, this whole this whole dang book. I kind of started to get tired of, you know, when uh Orange Guy was re-elected and everybody's like, you gotta get ready. And the answer is community. It's community. Oh, it's community. Almost to a point where I'm like, what the fuck? Like, what are you supposed to do if you're like trapped in a tiny rural town? Yeah. But and you don't want those people in your community. And it's not like it's not like I hate community, but I think that this gives like this whole cosmic holistic background to that, what they mean, like community. And I also think it's important to think about again, we see things so like nationally, it's so huge, everything's so bad. We want to like change all these other people and convince a bunch of other folks, but truly the first step to like I said, is to de you know get witchy in yourself, yeah. Tap it, tap into your mat, tap into your matches. And I'm not saying like, and so do that for five years and then no. I don't, but it really is like check in with yourself and make sure that you're activating your imagination. And if you think about it, like if you make something, and there's a million things to make because you can't like make me if you have something to share with other people, that is so much more effective than being like, I need to go convince this person of like this thing that's going on. It's almost like everybody just like stop talking and do stuff, yeah, make something, make something. Make something for people, do something. If I I'm curious, many of the listeners are like, that's perfect. Like, that's a disappointing, like what we should do. But I I think it's it's really cool. It I mean it's along with a million other things that you can like do in your daily life where you're like, I need to, you know, organize, show up to this thing, call this rep. Of course. I'm not saying like just forget all that, and like take up painting. No, we can't stop uh the resistance, obviously. But you can change your mind as to where are we really going? Like once we exactly once we get past the turd, where do we want to go? Right. And this is a good direction. Right. It's cool. Yes, do cool stuff. Do cool stuff, do cool stuff, do cool stuff. Don't let creepy capitalists tell you what's cool. Do cool stuff and trust yourself. Bye doctor. Feel yourself, yeah. Feel yourself, yeah. Act feeling, that's right. Feel it. Feel it, experience it, do it.

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Oh my goodness. Okay, so that's it. That's it. We may have finished reading The Great Cosmic Mother for the first time. Yeah. But I know we'll probably go back and to get more inspiration to respell the world. Because there's a bit of work to do. That being said, we want to hear from you. What stories and myths and notions are you focused on respelling? What story is being told through the media, entertainment, conversations, and so on that doesn't sit right with you. And what is the new story or myth you're going to use to respell the world? Yeah. We seriously want to know. Tell us. Tell us. Let us know in the comments or send us a text or voicemail. And you can do that. There's links in our show notes, our fabulous show notes. Until then, you only need to remember one story. We are all connected. No matter what anyone is trying to sell you, you already have the energy of all the cosmos. So plug in and go forth and do your thing. Yes, it's your thing.