#599 Add Humour to Presentations with Conor Cunneen

🎙️ What if your next sales pitch, team meeting, or keynote could have your audience not only engaged but laughing—and learning? In this episode of Talking with the Experts, host Rose Davidson welcomes Conor Cunneen, a business humourist and internationally acclaimed keynote speaker, to share how humour can become your communication superpower.

Conor’s infectious charm, sharp wit, and structured approach make him a master of memorable presentations. He unpacks his CHAPS model—a 5-part formula to help speakers build connection and impact through humour—and explains how the Gift of GAB (Goals, Attitude, Behaviour) creates lasting influence in business conversations.

You’ll hear real-world stories, laugh-out-loud examples, and actionable tools that’ll elevate your public speaking, even if you’re not naturally funny.

From his time as a Marketing VP to earning accolades like Chicago Humorous Speaker of the Year and the President’s Gold Medal for Volunteer Service, Conor’s journey is filled with wisdom and wit.

Whether you’re a coach, entrepreneur, or professional presenter, this episode will reshape how you think about humour in your messaging.

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Voiceover | 00:00
Welcome to Talking with the Experts. This is where we discuss great ideas to take your business to the next level. How do we know these ideas work? Well it's because we're talking with business owners who are using these ideas. Business owners who have years of experience and expertise. All things business by business owners All business owners. And now, here is your host, Rose Davidson. 

 Rose | 00:30
Hello, welcome to Talking with the Experts. I'm your host, Rose Davidson from rosedavidson.com.au. Talking with the experts is all about business, by business owners, for business owners. You can find it on all podcasting, streaming platforms and on YouTube. And today my guest is Conor Caneen and we're going to be discussing improving people performance and productivity with a smile. And Conor is the Irishman Speaks. And this man is happily exiled in Chicago, where he says the Guinness is good. The people are friendly and has been forced. Force-fed some corned beef and green beer than he has ever had in Ireland. 
 So that's, I don't know why he would be force-fed, but we'll find out. Conor is a former marketing vice president who now earns a crust as a keynote speaker, business humourist and consultant who leaves audiences with a smile on the face, a spring in the step and memorable actionable takeaways to improve people, performance and productivity with a smile. Conor, welcome to Talking With The Experts. It is such a pleasure to meet you. 

 Conor | 01:44
It's delightful to be on with you, Rose, and thank you for the invitation. I do appreciate it. 

 Rose | 01:49
It is my great pleasure. Now tell me a little bit about your background. 

 Conor | 01:54
Right. Do you mean this background? I actually joked, I'm based in Chicago. I joke, Rose, that this is the back road from, I live west of Chicago, that this is the back road from the west of Chicago into Chicago itself, because Illinois, which is the state Chicago is in, is almost a bankrupt state now. 
 So I joke, this is actually the condition of the roads that we have got here. So that's one background, but my background as a keynote speaker, I came over to the US over 20 years ago. I've been working in my Chicago accent now for more than 20 years. Nailed it, as you can see. And I came over as a corporate move. I was VP of marketing for a large company that was overtaken, taken over by Unilever, eventually another even larger company. And after a few years, I left that. And interesting because we'll be talking about culture. It was a cultural non-fit for me, as well, I would say. And I started doing some consulting initially in the food service area, was being asked to speak at conferences, was being told my material was motivational as well as having good business sense and a little bit of humour as well. And eventually I morphed into Irishman Speaks. And that is the brand now that I work under. And I go back to Ireland once or twice a year to make sure I don't lose the Irish brogue and have some good Guinness. 

 Rose | 03:22
So I guess with that sort of a background, you know, working in the corporate space, you may have found it a little bit humour-less sometimes. And so... How can we add humour to the workplace in a non-confrontational way? 

 Conor | 03:41
Right. Well, my belief is that humour in the workplace, or I speak specifically and mostly about adding humour to your presentations or to your sales pitch. The idea behind humour, I say, and this surprises people, is that the idea behind humour isn't to make people laugh. And you're kind of going, What is this guy talking about? The idea behind humour as far as I'm concerned in a business sense is to build connection with your customer, with your audience, or with your client. And the way you do that is you use humour to grease the axle and to build that connection. 
 So what I say is that in that sense, Rose, if you want to build a connection with the client or with the audience, it has to be appropriate. It has to be relevant. 
 So I'm not talking about comedy at all. I'm talking about relevant humour to reinforce your message, to build connection and hopefully close the sale or convince the audience that, hey, this guy is talking a little bit of sense. 

 Rose | 04:43
Yeah, I think people often, I guess, confuse humour with laughter and, you know, making people. Humour can be, you know, just being pleasant, I suppose, and being... Open and honest and you say as you say build connections with others so having that open dialogue is often very important. 

 Conor | 05:03
Yeah, absolutely. And what I say is that, I mean, one of the reasons why humour works is that because it pops some of the neurotransmitters in our brain. And some of them, I refer to them as dose, dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin and endorphins. And to make it simple for people, I'd say, all right, just visualise that those dose neurotransmitters are little men in your brain. And if you smile, those little men wake up a little bit and say, "Hey, things are good." If you make someone chuckle, they wake up even more and they go, "Hey, this is really good." And if you get them laughing, they kind of go, "Wow, this is great." We must tell the brain to be happy and the person to be happy. And when that happens, the connection then happens with the person who has made you smile or made you chuckle or made you laugh. I'm not talking at all when I talk about adding humour to your presentation about Kevin Hart or Jerry Seinfeld type of raucous laughter. I'm talking about a smile or a chuckle. Maybe a good laughter at the end of it, but that isn't what we're talking about. We're talking about humour that is relevant to reinforce humour. The message. 

 Rose | 06:11
And how can we do that? Conor, how do we build humour into our presentations? 

 Conor | 06:17
Well, what I've got, Rose, I'll actually ask you a question, okay? I've got an acronym, which is one of the core concepts that I work to, and we'll see whether or not we can figure out what the acronym is here. 
 So, question for you, Rose, is, If I say something, I'm looking for a five-letter word. Okay? If I say something funny to you, what is it that I hope You will do. If it's funny. 

 Rose | 06:45
If it's funny, I will probably laugh. Yay! She got it! I find it engaging. 

 Conor | 06:51
And laugh is actually... The acronym is that I work with to help people to add humour to their presentation. And we can go through it in a bit more detail in a few minutes time. But the basic idea is that we don't realise how much we laugh during the day. Are during the week. 
 So what I say to people is the first element of the laugh acronym is to listen. Listen to what Made you laugh. Listen to what you said that put a smile on someone's face, record it and capture it. 
 So that would be the first element of the laugh acronym. The other elements are the things that make us laugh most often are Anecdotes. Not jokes. Now jokes, you might laugh more heartily at a joke, but we don't hear that many jokes. But when you're in conversation with your colleagues or friends or around the water cooler, the laughter is normally generated by an anecdote, a quip or a comment. And the funniest anecdotes, which comes to the 'you' in the laugh acronym, is uncomfortable anecdotes. 
 Something that went wrong sometime. Now you're able to talk to your friends about it and you're able to laugh about it. Perfect stories. Are not funny. Imperfect stories or imperfect issues that happen in the story is what is funny So we can listen. As a part of the laugh acronym, anecdote, uncomfortable. I provide ideas as to how you can Google Meet in laugh, Google and the Bing as I say. 
 And then if you do that well, you can, the H is about listen for, a he that you get from your audience, or a smile that you put on their face and say to separate. How can I take that? He. And expanded or improved so it becomes a ho-ho-ho. And those basic five elements of the LAB acronym, if you adopt them and adapt them on a regular basis, and I do coaching on this as well, will help you to create humour. Particularly to capture humour, because I'm not always, I'm nearly always saying to people, you don't have to create humour. Just capture the humour around you, And you will get laughed. And laugh, the acronym would help you to capture the humour around you. 

 Rose | 09:13
It's all about storytelling, Connie, isn't it? It's about engaging your audience in telling a story that they will find engaging and perhaps have a bit of a laugh about it. We often laugh at the human condition and we laugh at ourselves when we've done something, it goes wrong, but we find the humour in it at the end of it after some time may have passed. 
 So I guess storytelling really is very important when we're trying to do a presentation or writing. Be a leader in their workplace. 

 Conor | 09:46
I absolutely agree with you, Rose. I mean, I would suggest that if you're making a presentation and you haven't got at least one short, interesting story in that presentation. You're going to be challenged to hold your audience because facts and figures are facts and figures. Stories generate emotion and they generate memorability as well. 
 So when I'm speaking and working with clients, I say, all right, let's figure out what kind of an anecdote or a story that we can bring into the presentation or into the sales call that is relevant, that would help to build connection and reinforce your message. 

 Rose | 10:25
Yeah, I agree. And if you don't engage, you know, your employees or your team members or your audience, you know, it's going to be very dry. And so. We need to be able to find that humour, as you say, not joke telling, but that humour within our presentation or our talk or sales pitch or our speech, whatever it is we're giving. To make, as you say, people memorable, make your presentation memorable and people will go away with, yeah, some thought about, you know, what it is that you've imparted to them. 

 Conor | 11:03
Absolutely. And you know, one of the things I suggest when I'm dealing with corporate clients or businesses, where I say, all right, we're using humour to build connection, to build an atmosphere within your organization and to appreciate people. And when your colleagues are at their own, the water cooler, they're connected. Often laughing or joking, etc. And you get that, those little men popping kind of thing, and people are walking away from the water cooler feeling better. Why can't you bring some of that deliberately into other parts of your organisation? I want to suggest one simple little trick I suggest. That surprises people Some of my clients do implement but others don't because they feel the culture doesn't allow it is that If you take your corporate background in my corporate background, we would have a weekly meeting on sales review For instance, we have a weekly meeting with their production planning. We have a weekly meeting with supply chain, etc and what I'm missing all of these weekly meetings problems and Problems. What I say to clients once I've done work with them a little bit in terms of adding humour to your presentation or to the workplace is that, All right, you buy into the concept. That if people are smiling, they're feeling a little bit better. Right, so they buy into that concept. Yes, Conor, we buy into that now. All right, so I'm saying to you at your weekly meeting going forward, why don't you actually try and start off the meeting. By getting people into the right frame of mind. Now the rest of your colleagues here in this organization, they've seen the adding humour to your presentation or to your organization concept as well. 
 So we've done some work with them. Next meeting you've got, why not have the first thing on the agenda? As be as a Joke. 
 Right? So you're my VP of marketing will say, Rose, I say to you, all right, Rose, I want a bad joke from you next Monday. All right. And the worse the joke, the better. The one kind of that will get the audience or your five colleagues around the executive table groaning. The following week, we get the finance person to do it. Now, I accept that's a challenge. OK, but we'll say to the finance person, all right, Henry or Henrietta, what you can do is you get onto the Googler. Which is that G in the laugh acronym and find the joke about marketing people or find a joke about a competition in your industry for instance and just tell us that and what we want is we want a laugh if we get terrible groans that's even going to be better because actually people are laughing at the terrible groans if you believe Humour can smooth the transition, smooth the organisation and improve productivity. If you believe that humour is going to make people feel a little bit better, then I really urge clients. 
 So. Deliberately and intentionally try to bring it into certain parts of your day and your week and I'll be honest with you I quite a number of my clients are doing it. Quite a number of them are not doing it because well, we can't do that. I know what you're saying is correct, Conor, but good Lord, we just can't do that in our organisation, that kind of thing. But I do believe that the meeting where it starts off well, is going to be one that will really be more productive. Now, I can jump onto something for a second. Because as you were saying at the start of the, they have, call the podcast that my mission is to improve people. Performance and productivity With a smile. And I do believe one of the really best ways to do that, in addition to appropriate humour, is to compliment your people. Now, how do you and I actually to say I've got a concept and other acronyms which spells CHAPS which is five micro goals to building connection. But the first element of the CHAPS acronym is compliment and people sometimes say to me, Conor, I know compliments work, but I can't find it easy. I don't find it easy to do it. And my response to that, Rose, is that Look, you can always find some way to compliment people. You could come up with something like, Whoa! Your hair doesn't look as bad today as it did yesterday. 
 I mean... Something like that. No, that's goofball. But again, if My clients believe, and if my audience believes that compliments do work we've got to find ways to compliment people and i do think that the powerful question that could be asked at the start of that weekly sales meeting or supply chain meeting or the powerful question that could be asked at the start of a daily huddle at a food service or a restaurant is What did we do well? Yesterday. What did we do well yesterday? 
 So you're asking a question, you're asking people to say something positive. When they say something positive or give a good example, what can you do? You can say, hey, kudos to you, well done, and to the people that were involved as well. What are we doing? We're complimenting them, making them feel good. Appreciated and as a result the vibe in that little meeting again is going to be a bit more positive it is a truly a powerful question. That can be asked so often and is rarely asked. 

 Rose | 16:40
Yeah, I agree. I've sat through many a boring meeting. And it's just been all facts, figures, and, you know, there's been no conversation about And, you know, you go in there dreading going into the meeting, you know, come out of the meeting feeling tired and Yeah. Overwhelmed with all the information that was given to you. And have you listened really to the presentation? No, you haven't because it didn't grab your attention. And it, you know, what's in it for me from the meeting. There was nothing in it for me. 

 Conor | 17:17
Yeah, I completely agree. And that is unfortunately what is so prevalent in corporate life in general, whether it's in Australia or it's in Ireland or UK or here in the United States. 

 Rose | 17:32
Yeah, absolutely. Now, how can we build a compelling personal brand, Conor? 

 Conor | 17:38
The way I think to build a compelling personal brand is I'm a big Mark Twain fan and Twain actually did visit Australia back in the 1880s. 96, 97, I think it was. But one of his quotes, I'm taking this paraphrasing now, he said, one of the ways to have a friend... Be a friend. Okay. And what I suggest to people is that in the corporate environment or in your social environment, I ask people to think about what is it that you want your colleagues to say about you. After you have left the room. Or what is it you want your colleagues generally to say about you when they're talking about you around the water cooler? And I think to build a good personal brand, it needs to be. Bye. Intentional, and it needs to be genuine as well. But when I say to people, - Rose, I was, Talking with a, dealing with a friend the other day, who was in job search and I, do a little bit of coaching and job search. It's not an income stream, it's just a passion of mine. I said to him was that, What is it you want the recruiter to say about you? After you leave the room. And I encourage people when I'm talking to them in job search or a board of personal brand is, Define the three attributes that you want to be famous for is the phrase I use. 
 So what I said to Jeff was that before you go into that interview, know what it is you want that recruiter to say about you when he or she is selling you up to the client. It's not just going to be yeah, she can do the job. It's more than that. She can do the job because she is - Proactive. Appears to be a good team builder and is innovative. And if you say to yourself, all right, that's what I want to be known for, to be proactive, a good team builder and innovative, figure out ways that you can actually demonstrate that. In your organisation. And if you do that tying that in with helping other people, being known as a person that you can go to when there's an issue. You're going to build a good personal brand. 

 Rose | 20:00
Absolutely agree with that 100%. I think, you know, and it comes down to showing initiative and being kind to others. And, you know, if you... Want to be known for being mean, and I don't think anyone wants to be known as being mean, but If you have a main attitude, that's going to follow you around from place to place and you don't want that. You want people to know that you've got some bones of, find us in you somewhere. 

 Conor | 20:30
Yeah absolutely and I mean we all mess up we all lose our temper we all kind of hopefully not too often but I mean I’m sure there are people out there they'll say I’ve been rude to them or unkind to them in some cases but I make a deliberate effort to each day to put a smile on people's face and to treat people well so that when I’m I've been spoken about around the water cooler. I would hope that people will say, hey, he's an okay guy. At least that they can give out other comments as well. But I think if you make a deliberate effort, to be seen to be helpful, you're going to be more successful than a person who does not make a deliberate effort to be helpful. 

 Rose | 21:18
Absolutely. No, that's quite true. And, you know, that's not just in your business life, but in your personal life as well. I think it's really important. Tell me a little bit about the gift of the gab, Conor. What is it? And how can we bring that into our business life or in our personal life, perhaps? 

 Conor | 21:33
Right. The gift of gab is one of my core concepts. I believe in. As you've probably gathered at this stage, Rose, about framing my material so it's easy for people to remember. 
 I mean, the laugh acronym ties in nicely with adding humour to your presentation. I think people will remember the word laugh. They'll probably remember three of the five elements at least, even going to the paperwork, I would think. The Gift of Gab is about goals, attitude and behaviour. Goals, attitude. Attitude and behaviour. And what I say to people is that if you've got the right goals, demonstrated through the right attitude, which creates your behaviour, you can create a great personal brand, but you can build a great organisation. And if I get a couple of minutes just to describe briefly what they're all about. Goals. What I start off with is I speak a lot about vision, both personal and corporate, and that can be very difficult and boring and dry. 
 So to simplify it, when I'm speaking to, let's say a sales team, for instance, I say to each of the salespeople, the macro goal, We talk about macro. And micro. The macro goal is What do I want to be famous for? What do I want to be famous for? Which goes back to what we were speaking about previously. What is it I want people to say about me? 
 So if I'm a salesperson, what is it I want people to say about me? And the point I make to salespeople and to people who are in business development is that, The chances of you clinching the business on the first call are Generally slim. But if you say to yourself, all right, what is it I want to be famous for? In the mind of that person I've been speaking to, so that when she is talking about me or when she sees my phone number pop up on her machine the next time I'm phoning her, she's not kind of going, I don't want to talk to him. I don't want to talk to her. It's kind of a positive vibe. 
 So what do I want to be famous for? And I ask people to write down what it is they want to be famous for. 
 And then I say, I'll give you five micro goals, chaps, that will help each of you. To achieve that macro goal. And the five micro goals, guess what Rose? They spell the acronym CHAPS. This guy is crazy about acronyms, isn't he? He really is. But again, it's a theory of mine when it comes to speaking or presenting is that if you've got more than two or three concepts to present to people, It is really hard for people to remember it. But one of the simpler ways to help them to remember it and hang their memory tag on it is to create an acronym. 
 So CHAPS, as you are probably aware, is an Irish-style English word for kind of friends and having connection, etc. And I say that this CHAPS acronym will help you to build connection. 
 So the five elements are... The first element goes back to C, which is compliment. We spoke about it already. 
 So if I can get into the habit of complimenting one of my people each day, Different person each day. I am going to build and reservoir of goodwill with those people. And my contention rose is that as a leader, Unless you're Elon Musk. You will not be able to improve your employees net worth substantially. You can do as a leader, substantially improve your employees Self-worth. There's self-worth and I can improve that self-worth by using the CHAPS concept. 
 So the first thing is I set myself a goal. I will compliment one person today. When I compliment that one person, those little men that I was talking about previously, the endorphins kind of wake up and they say, hey, well done, Conor, you achieved a goal. I feel better because I've achieved my goal to compliment someone. My customer or my employee feels better as well because I complimented them. Second element of the CHAPS acronym is HEAR. Hear the words thank you. And by that I mean, do something deliberate. Each day for a customer or for an employee or for a work colleague to hear the words thank you from them. Now to do that, you've got to do something to help them some way. It doesn't have to be large, but something to hear the words thank you from them. Complement. Here are the words thank you in the CHAPS acronym. A is for address And as I said to my audience as Rose, by a dress here, I don't mean the pink chiffon dress that I was seen wearing on Facebook over the weekend. OK, that should not have been published. No, by a dress here, I mean a dress. Your people, your client, your family with their name when you're in conversation with them. Now, I would suggest that the most powerful word When I'm speaking to you, is Raw's. Because what it does is it creates a visceral connection. The most powerful word when you're speaking to your customers or client is their name. And if you can get into the habit of once or twice in conversation. Addressing them with their name you are going to shh, right? The joys of live webcasts, yeah? If you can have the habit of addressing them with their name, you're going to build a connection. 
 So what you've now got is that you've complimented your team a few times, you've heard thank you from them because you've done something for them, you're addressing them with their name on a regular basis. P is for positive, and you kind of alluded to this earlier on when we were talking about those boring meetings. What I say is set yourself a micro goal that I will use a positive word. Or a positive phrase, in conversation, at least once a day with my people. If you can get into the habit of using positive words like Amazing. Brilliant. Cheerful delightful energetic, Friendly. Even Guinness. Okay? 'Cause the, Guinness is a positive word to Irish people, Rose. What's going to happen after a while is that your clients or your people are going to start saying things about you and the vibe that you create, that you're amazing, brilliant, cheerful, delightful, energetic, friendly. Let's go for a Guinness or whatever your brew of choice is kind of thing. All right. Why? Because you've deliberately and intentionally said, choosing to use a positive word or a positive phrase in conversation in the sales pitch. And the final element of the laugh acronym or the CHAPS acronym, sorry, CHAPS acronym. 
 So we've got compliment, Hear the words, thank you. Address people with their name, use positive words and the final micro goal I say is Smile. And what I mean, the micro goal is to put a smile on someone's face. And when you do that, you're going to build that connection. And that goes back to the comment we made about those weekly sales meetings or supply chain meetings. Get a reason to put a smile on their face at the start, it'll change the vibe in the room. 
 So that's what the CHAPS concept is about and it's something that I know resonates really well. With my clients and I have seen And I've got wonderful testimonials from clients about how the gift of gab got the micro goals and bringing the those chap sacraments into it talking about choosing your attitude all of which will build to create your behaviour and whether you're a leader or whether you're a foreman on a line or a lead on a line or just the person who's packing the boxes your behaviour creates your brand - Absolutely. - Your behaviour, Thomas, what, yeah, I knew your behaviour, Thomas, what people say about you, and what people say about you, is your brand. 
 So that's basically what I work through when I'm dealing with my clients, be it either in keynote form or in a workshop and consulting form, that the gift of Gab can help to improve people. Performance and productivity and it can be done. With a smile. 

 Rose | 29:58
Absolutely. I love that. I love that CHAPS acronym. I think it's wonderful. I think we could all do with that. In any, part of our lives. I think, you know, personal, professional, I think if we follow that every day, the world would be a much happier place. 

 Conor | 30:16
Absolutely. And you know, I joke sometimes because I do get those comments back regularly. I say, okay, now gang, when I'm doing keynotes in particular, now we're putting on my marriage counsellor hat. Bring chaps home. How often do we actually compliment our partner or our family? How often do we do something intentional to make them feel good and hear the words thank you. Addressing them with their name, we don't often do that, it's kind of some other, just a hey or something like that. Bringing positivity into the relationship and find some way to put a smile on your spouse's face or your partner's face, the kid's face, chap's. Works big time in the family environment. 

 Rose | 31:02
Absolutely. If you want to find more about Conor or, you know, what his business is about, you can find him on Facebook at the Irishman Speaks, Conor Caneen. He's on LinkedIn as Irishman Speaks and his website is irishmanspeaks.com. What can we find on the website, Conor? 
 Yeah. 

 Conor | 31:22
Basically, you'll find much of what we spoke about here, Rose. I've got a lot of different videos there. My YouTube channel is Irishman Speaks as well, all one word. And there's a lot of content on the YouTube channel about the gift of gab, goals, attitude, behaviour, and the laugh acronym and adding humour to your presentation.

 
 Rose | 31:45
And we... Something adding humour to your presentation. What can people expect to find on that? 

 Conor | 31:54
Basically what we're talking about here is, I'm starting to build the 'Adding Humour to Your Presentation' YouTube channel, and it's providing with some simple tips, tricks and techniques that anyone can use to add humour to the presentation. I say to people in their roles that, You don't have to be funny. People kind of go, what? He's losing it again. No, what I say is that just capture the humour you see around you, record it, put it into your repository, into your file or whatever it is. And sometime, someplace where you need a little anecdote about leadership or about safety or about accident prevention or health care or something like that, just record it. Go through your North Perth. That little comment that someone made about healthcare a couple of months back, I just popped in, I'd forgotten about it until I started looking through my iPhone notes. I can drop that into my presentation and it's going to be relevant and reinforce my message and it's not something I created. I just captured it. You don't have to be funny. To be funny. 

 Rose | 33:00
Absolutely not. Conor, it's such a pleasure. Thank you so much for sharing with us today. And I'm going to start using that chat because I really like that. 

 Conor | 33:09
Go for it. I'll send you the link to a couple of videos that you can use as well and view on that, Rose, okay? 

 Rose | 33:15
Wonderful. I look forward to it. Bye-bye for now. 

 Conor | 33:18
Take care, stay well, cheers, bye. 

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