The Sisterhood Circle Podcast
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The Sisterhood Circle Podcast
Stuck in a Rut? Here’s How to Get Crystal Clear on What You Really Want | S2E1
We’re back, sister — and Season 2 starts with a truth bomb: You are not stuck. You’re just unclear.
In this raw and real kick-off episode, Shivsy and Nats return with powerful insight on how to break out of a rut, stop spinning your wheels, and finally get clarity on what you actually want in life.
Inside this episode:
💭 Why focusing on what you don’t want is keeping you stuck
✨ How to get clear on your next steps in relationships, health, and career
🔄 Mindset shifts that move you from awareness → aligned action
💬 The truth about honest conversations (without creating conflict)
🧠 Limiting beliefs that hold women back — and how to break the cycle
🔥 The power of minimum expectations and non-negotiable habits
💜 Plus:
- Copenhagen & Barcelona race recaps
- Retirement transitions and reinventions
- Why our GLP1 episode went viral — and how women are rethinking weight loss
- What’s next for The Sisterhood Circle: real-life events, cold water, Breathwork, She Creates!
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Hi, I'm Shivsey and I'm Naz, and together we are the Sisterhood.
Speaker 2:Circle podcast. Our vision is to create connections with our community and inspire change in the world.
Speaker 1:So be sure to subscribe on whatever platform. You're not allowed to do that.
Speaker 2:You're not allowed to tap it. Okay, what's it then? So we are back season two. How did that happen? I'm absolutely not sure, but I just want to let the listeners know this one could be a bit mental. Both me and gnats are hormonal. What happens when you're hormonal? Gnats get lots of things I forget.
Speaker 2:Words, I get emotional I a little bit crazy stuff. Yeah, definitely, it's gonna be okay. It happens to you. I forget stuff, but today I'm not going to forget anything because it's inbuilt in my brain. Yeah, yeah, but season two, episode one yeah, can you believe that we're here, am I? I know, I know it's happened since the last one. It has, and I would love for you to hear what we've been doing since the first season started. Well, we released our standalone episode.
Speaker 1:we did so GLP1, agony Dying to be Skinny, and what a response that got it's crazy to think how nervous we were about recording it, putting it out there, to then see the back end of the response that came from it, the messages, the comments. So first of all, thank you to everyone. And a message it probably doesn't like you don't even think the impact that it has, but when you're definitely nervous about doing something or you've put a lot into it to get those messages, it massively makes it worth worthwhile. But I mean we decked the messages in terms of people changing their mind, yeah, from thinking about or having just ordered that yeah, to then going you know what.
Speaker 2:Actually I'm not going to be one of those statistics yeah, and I think, like the biggest thing for me is a lot of messages coming through from people who have had nearly the exact same experience from Sky and being too scared to speak about it. That has been absolutely massive. And I think a big thing with social media is we always like post the beautiful things about our life and we never post our feelings. So you're seeing all of these things being glorified continuously but nobody's posting when they're so sick and honestly, like I was, I'm getting messages like, hundreds of messages like oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, and it just shows you that if you're willing to be brave and step out and put your neck in the line, your head's not going to always get chopped off, which is absolutely incredible. And sometimes we've just got to lead with our heart and that is 100% what we did with that episode.
Speaker 2:And, as I said, so many people have fed back such amazing things and such great messages. I support teachers saying that they want to show it in schools. Nurses it's just incredible. Even my wee auntie had it on in our work. She sent me a picture of the nurses. We were watching it, so that's been really great and obviously the members in the gym.
Speaker 1:So the response from that's been really great and obviously, um, the members in the gym. So the response from that's been huge. I think you get a few different ones. You get people that like I've heard it but it's never really impacted them, it's not been a thought, but they've been so shocked by the impact that it can actually do the negative effects from it. You've then got people that it's maybe been there as a wee bit of background noise yeah, like they can feel themselves, no, maybe been quite happy, comfortable, trying to do it.
Speaker 1:What we would encourage is our most sustainable way to be able to do it and they're going. Do you know what was in the back of my head? There was something there. Yeah, this is just came along, along, as the first one already has come along at the right time to go. Wait a minute, what are you thinking about actually doing here? So to get the feedback from that. It's been brilliant and you know, I think it's been really nice for females just to show that we're all in the same boat together. I think this is so, so important. We've always said we wanted to make a change and an impact from the sisterhood circle and the fact that it's brought so many females together to talk about a common thing that was all impacting them in one way, shape or form, but no one was really talking about it. Because it's a controversial subject, it's been really nice to see the amount of people sharing it. Oh my god, it's been magic, thank you.
Speaker 2:And off the back of that as well, we have had our sisterhood strolls, our sisterhood swims, which have all been absolutely incredible the level of support, a woman that actually don't even know each other rocking up. I was actually talking about this in the hairdressers today. We absolutely need communities of women that are going to discuss topics with each other that actually matter. That sparks light in you, and these, like these meetups that we're having, we're meeting people for the first time that have got these most amazing qualities. They bring so much to the table and see, when you bring women together like that, we are literally going to light up the world and you're meant to be connected.
Speaker 1:And that's what it was all about. But seeing the people's faces in real life I love. Oh yeah, Like seeing from social media. It's been like, oh my God, they're a life person. It's been brilliant and I adore how many of these love and also how many dogs come woohoo by the way, love, keep bringing your dogs. Keep bringing your dogs, definitely, and so it's been the podcast and the in person events, what's been happening personally since the last time for you last.
Speaker 2:well, I myself and Stuart, my husband, we went over to Copenhagen. We went over to Copenhagen, we went to High Rocks over there and my husband had it was what four weeks post-op for a hernia, and we absolutely smashed it.
Speaker 1:if I do say so myself, they totally smashed it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and one hour eight minutes and 47 sessions. Now the reason that I know the seconds is in my house I got Stuart like a picture. He is like at where time sometimes or just lying on the couch and Stuart's all like 108, 47 then that's actually so sweet. First one, by the way, actually can't rapid, so, honestly, like I, that's actually so sweet. The first one, by the way, actually can't rapid, so, honestly, like I was so, so proud of him. He was such a, he was a great partner to have for sure love that I went on holiday for my dad's 70th birthday.
Speaker 2:We came to Thailand and his brothers and sisters all came along with their kids and partners and husbands and it was just honestly like it was husbands and it was just honestly it was absolutely incredible. It was so nice to get the time to spend with my old dad, so it was, oh yeah, definitely so. That was super fab. And also I semi-retired, so we kind of did so in January this year. That's just like I'm 37, I'm 37. You know, life goes, guys, life goes. So, yeah, and how long have I been saying I'm going to take a step back and I'm going to manage the businesses rather than work in the businesses. Too long, too long, she was dying to get rid of me. To be fair, she popped me out, but anyway.
Speaker 1:I definitely didn't, by the way, probably the reason I'm emotionally unstable.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, anyway, basically in December, january, I decided to put an end point on working within the clubs. The two gyms, curves Edwin and Curves Paisley, now have manager, assistant manager, full teams. They're absolutely bloody amazing, and basically they don't need me anymore. So it's it's quite nice also very weird to step in. I would never say that we'll always need you.
Speaker 2:I don't know that he's well, but those two things that come out of this, though, is like firstly, you're like, yes, but we helped create these teams and the girls are good to go, and I'm pure rocking it. And then your wee ego is like fuck, they can do that. Oh, they can do that without me. Sorry for swearing, some things never change. We'll just go and get over that. Um, they can do that without me, and that's what I was saying, in that there's a huge deal of guilt that can come attached to stepping away from something, even though that was the goal.
Speaker 2:But the great thing wait and we can talk about this later, because we're obviously going to speak about clarity in this next podcast that we're going to be going into is getting clear on what you want and then being able to take action on it. So, yeah, I think that's it. Did you look at one or two things that made you happy? I mean, it's been hella fun, you know, and quite a few things have come up. Watch this space for what is coming next for the sisterhood, sir. Oh, by the way, we've got some amazing stuff coming. Love, love, love, love, love, love. I could talk about myself all day, didn I'm?
Speaker 1:really mad. I was trying to get through this as quickly as.
Speaker 2:I can one thing I'm all again no right, go hit me with that.
Speaker 1:So with Glasgow High Rocks. You did that feels like years ago. So yeah, but when I say we, I done solos in Glasgow.
Speaker 2:You did no. What did you do?
Speaker 1:did solo pro. I did a wee bit of redemption, you did, and I completed the first time in pro in Birmingham last year. I had a little bit of a shit show of a race, to be honest. I was saying, oh, you were. It was a sin. Like, honestly, I've never thrown a wall ball with tears before. I was like help, send all the help. It was. It just wasn't my day. And do you know what? Like I think everyone else is a wee bit more worried about it than what I actually was. I was like some days you're fast, some days you're slow that's okay.
Speaker 2:I did this when I came over and you laid out and said slow, and I came to give you a hug and you were like it was the hardest thing I've ever done. It was seals in your eyes and were you like, were you okay?
Speaker 1:and I was like no, no, but do you know what I love? Like we were able to celebrate yours, and that's the way that it should be. Oh no, I know, but we're not talking about me now, we're talking about you. Damn, I've tried.
Speaker 2:I see that this is what she does yeah, I went to Glasgow.
Speaker 1:I was running in pro, was like do you know what? I'm not even wearing my watch. I'm going out to enjoy this, going how my body feels, because even I see my watch and it's like cardiac arrest. I'm like, oh, put a slow down. You know, got to stay alive.
Speaker 1:Long story short, though. I wanted to do it in under 90 minutes and I got whatever 30 in two seconds. We're saying that's 90 minutes. And then do you know what? Like I crossed that line and I knew that I'd done everything and I loved that. Like I enjoyed the race. I felt like I knew where I was at and I knew as soon as I crossed. That was the best that I could possibly have given that guy, so I loved that. Then what else has happened since then? I've also done another high rock since then actually went to Barcelona. It was so good, loved it, did mixed doubles. I've never raced in a mixed doubles before, with the legend that is Toonsley and that was wild, turbo Toonsley, turbo Toonsley and that was wild, turbo Tonsley, turbo Tonsley. See, when I say hold on tight, I was like buckled right in. Here we go.
Speaker 2:I met him this morning and he told me he shouted at you. He proper shouted. Nah, you didn't tell me that. See, when he told me that I was like that this morning. Do you know that's her least favourite form of communication and he's like I felt really badass.
Speaker 1:So he shouted at me. He also swore, and I was like, okay, let's go. Yeah, for the start I felt like I had to put like the remember the wee child drains that you used to get. I felt like I put them on him and I was like let's go. And honestly I was like, oh, we're running really fast, let's go. And it was, it was rapid, but I got to a point it was really warm, there was no air conditioning and you'll remember I sweat a lot. I got to the point I stopped for a water to do the double dunter, one over my head and actually drank one and I took about four steps a walk. He turned round and he gollied and he and he called me up and he gave me this look and it was a look of oh no, what's about to happen here? And I won't repeat what he said, but I was shouting and it was a few bad ones. I was like I'm so sorry, I'm coming, I'm driving, and then we were just silent the rest of the time. But no, I absolutely loved that. We went out. We did great ways.
Speaker 1:Barcelona was beautiful and it was nice to see it away. I love doing like High Rocks to Broadock me and eight man. So nice to see other places since then, apart from High Rocks. Oh, I decided I'd decorate. Remember that time? Yes, you did. Yep, so I've learned the lesson don't decorate, man, that's for dafties.
Speaker 2:Can I ask a question about this decoration? She's going to ask a bit of it. I'm actually because I totally forgot this was something that you were doing and I wanted to see it because, by the way, can I just say something? Right, this is impressive. Naz does stuff on her own, like proper DIY stuff on her own right. So I'm not taking the piss here. No, no, right.
Speaker 1:My dad gave me this too and I cut into it, not knowing it was wood, and it started smoking. I learned when I was on the smoke and he's like, don't use it on wood stick it on, if anybody knows what tool that is that you don't use.
Speaker 2:It was wood, it was fast, right, so but anyway, like taking a circle back there, you did start decorating, but she bought this wall panel and she's like I'm going to stick it up, I'm going to do it myself, and I was like what, like empowered?
Speaker 1:women or what. So it's done and I feel like all the paneling is done and painted, the like new stuff that I want to get. It's not quite all that. I procrastinated on that wee bit, but that's okay. The actual decorating's done. I need to show you a picture. I'll never do it again. It takes a lot of time and I'd rather pay someone. Yeah, but at least.
Speaker 2:I know I can do it Exactly. You missed out one key fact on something that you got up to Tell me about your flight home from Barcelona, and then what you had to do the next. No, what you had to privilege you doing the next day.
Speaker 1:Hashtag don't fly right in here. What was that? Don't fly right in here, no. So I have these really good ideas, like when you book flights oh, let's have the full day in the city and we'll fly home at night. And that's a really smart decision because you get an extra day in your holiday when you're sitting on your couch and not realising what you've got to do. That's great. But long story short, I booked a holiday to Barcelona, high Rocks, without having the holidays approved and then realised it was in the same weekend as the kilt walk that I committed to doing with the club and I was like what am I going to do? Bingo, edinburgh Ryanair flights Wednesday to Saturday Absolute thanks to Universe. That's a great idea. Left Barcelona nine o'clock on the Saturday night, 8pm. Our time Got in just before midnight and we'd have been home for like one we get on the flight. It's raining. By the way, have you ever had really heavy rain? When you're on a plane feels like you're in a tube of Pringles, like battering off.
Speaker 2:I don't ever have.
Speaker 1:I'm sitting right on my wee seat because my bum really fills her eye in her seat right. Also, no seat pockets is an issue, do you mean they don't have seat pockets, not even one in the front? Well, I mean, if you're used to flying them and it's the TV's either right or screwed, no wonder she's never flew right. I'm like what, what?
Speaker 2:do you mean you don't get shampooed?
Speaker 1:they don't have a seat pocket. So you've got everything here, right, and I'm sitting and I'm like this rain's battering off and I'm like, right, okay, I was in the room in front of my mum and dad my dad's, you know the most patient guy, right? So I could hear the. My dad's like, oh, getting a wee bit late, right? So it's half nine at this point and I'm like's now 10 o'clock and we're still not left and nobody's come on to tell us. Long story short, 3am I arrived home in my bed well, not my bed. I went, mum dad's, didn't. I slept there and I was getting picked up for the kilt walk at 10 to 7 and I've been. I got up the next morning and my mum's like that, you washing your hair. I was like that's what hats were created for. Put this hat on and walked on the kilt walk in probably the most financial rain ever.
Speaker 2:It was a wee bit sad but you know what we left them? Yeah, we did, and you know what.
Speaker 1:What did we have like 70 women 70 women over like three thousand pound raise between the two charities. Yeah, which was just, oh, it was so good, by the way, the kilt walk. They organize a phenomenal, phenomenal event like you actually don't need to turn that way, anything. You're hydrated, you're fed. They'd like wee foam fingers and all that jazz cut and a bite. You definitely always need a foam finger. You can call it a fling, but I'm in full cut with you did you have one right anyway.
Speaker 2:So that's us caught up. That is totally us caught up. So that's what's been happening since season one. So we are going to talk today. It really sounds like, well, we did get something 85 hours later. Sorry, guys. Today we are going to talk about getting clarity, yes, and your consciousness around that, definitely, and I think one of the first things that we wanted to speak about, or something that you hear quite a lot in the gyms, is I'm just stuck in a rut and it's such a big thing like you sit down with females daily and work and it's such a privilege to get to do it.
Speaker 1:When you're chatting about goals, you're celebrating things that they've been able to achieve, but it's really, really sad when someone turns around and they just go. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just stuck in this rut, like I'm on the hamster wheel, and you're like what do you mean with that? And they're like do you know what? I'm just getting up, and Monday, friday, I'm going to work, and then I'll be a mum, and at the weekend I just clean and I just I just tidy up and then I do it all again. Yeah, and you can see like that energy, even when they're saying it totally like leave their body, and just how stuck they are and this repetitive cycle that they just don't know where, where the escape is.
Speaker 2:And I think one thing with being stuck in a rut, it's a lot about not making any progress, and I think that when you are stuck in this proverbial rut, probably a lot of the time you're not doing the things that you set out to do, and I think we spoke about in season one about when you don't do the things that you set out to do. Yes, and I think we spoke about in like season one about when you don't do the things that you're meant to do or that you set yourself up to do, you feel like you're a disappointment. Yeah, and I think that feeling a disappointment it can really really drive you deeper and into this rut, like behavior, and I think what we talked about around that kind of rut is around your mindset and what that then like propels into your external actions, the actions that you take. Yeah, so for you, nat, it's like have you ever found yourself stuck in a rut?
Speaker 1:I think, absolutely. I think there's periods of time that you you go through potentially the same cycle and find yourself getting to the point of a rut. And for me personally, if I was to say what, like, what's the root cause of of me that gets me there? Probably three main things. Okay, for me, one would be not doing what I said I was going to do. Yeah, like that's a huge instigator to oh, my god, what's going on? I'm feeling like I just don't know what I'm doing. So I think that absolutely drives you to get deeper and deeper and deeper.
Speaker 1:As she says, I think the other thing is when you're spinning far too many plates, you are literally, as you're spinning, you're digging yourself in a rut because you're never filling your cup. Yeah, very few times are any of the plates that people spin actually for them, all the external things that the female native do. So that can then drive you into that run like behavior. I think the third thing is when you're in a little bit of a and I would say, stuck, but not necessarily meaning it in a rut sense, as when you just don't really know what direction you're going in and you're like in this no man's land, thinking I'm making no progress, I'm failing. What am I going to do here? And it's like you just need that moment of clarity where you go. What is it I'm actually setting out to do? And taking a moment to put your both feet on the ground and go right, let's get clear on that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, definitely, and I think for us, um, it's about or when we're coaching, it's about trying to help people get absolute clarity, which is the bloody easy, is it, and I?
Speaker 1:think it's looking at clarity as more than maybe what you would expect, listening like the goals in the gym. It's about getting clarity on you as a woman and what you want in all the different areas, and it's so important because we often get people in the gym that are in a rut, but it's not necessarily their health and fitness. That's the rut.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, definitely, because they're making it to the gym.
Speaker 1:Yeah and I think that's a really, really big thing to touch on is, as coaches, it's probably easy to think, oh, they're just talking about like the gym rut that everyone gets into and we all go through a phase as and it's not like you get people turning up daily getting amazing results that you would think are absolutely flying in their life, and it's like I'm in this rut and there's all the external things that we just don't really get clear on what we want or set out goals for when it comes to it exactly.
Speaker 2:So I think, um, I think that one of the things that I wanted taking a touch on around, like not having clarity, is see when, when we coach and when we sit down with a member whether it be for a consultation when she's just about to join in curves or if she's doing her progress check, which is a monthly thing that we do with all our members in curves and we say, right, dina, we've never had a Dina in curves in our life. Have we had a Dina? No, no, right. So I'm have we had a Dina? No, no, right. So we're not talking about any of you. So this is great, jesus, you know how good I am. What the hell is Dina? Is that even a name, right? So, dina, what would you like to achieve? And what we hear so often is I don't want X, yes, and want x, yes.
Speaker 2:And I think that when you're getting clarity and you're focusing on what you don't want and I know we spoke about this kind of briefly in season one, about, like, what you attract and what you manifest see, if you're cutting about the world, saying all of the things that you don't want, you're going to mimic that back on yourself. So I think the first thing about that is maybe your awareness or being conscious of how your language comes across. So when we sit down, we try and do so. We better like not reverse psychology, but we try and almost like turn that around. So if someone says to me I don't want to be knackered anymore, we say okay, so you're looking for more energy, right?
Speaker 2:What we're always going to try and do as coaches is say right, what is the complete polar opposite of the thing that you're saying that you don't want, and then trying to get that to be at the forefront of what somebody's driving. Because if someone then goes like that, right, I go to the gym because I want more energy, the chances of them being able to keep that up is far superior than I go to the gym because I don't want to be knackered. Do you feel the change in my voice there? It's a shift, uh-huh, and it's almost like empowerment. So it's about trying not to think about all the things that you don't want in your life and actually getting clear on the things that you do want. So how do we gain clarity? What do we need to do to get clear?
Speaker 1:you've got to ask yourself the questions, and what I really, really want and I think that's a huge thing when it comes to it is having some time with yourself, that you, you can ask those tough questions. Yeah, of like, how do I actually want to feel, how do I want my life to look, how do I want my work to look?
Speaker 2:I think it's really important that you split it into different areas oh god, yeah, because again, you see, because of the thing that you said, like, actually, like I don't know what I'm focusing on I would always split it into right.
Speaker 1:Okay, health and fitness is a massive part of mine. When I think about it, it's a big part of my life. I would always go health and fitness and then go like professional. I'd then go like kind of body, physique side of it and then I go like personal, yeah, and I think it's going right.
Speaker 1:What do you want to get out of all these different areas? Because if you imagine, we talk about pouring from an empty cup all the time, right, a cup isn't just like you or one thing. A cup is ultimately everything that you do in your life and as females we're really good at filling certain areas of them but neglecting other areas. And for us we deal with a lot of like mums, which is a big thing and it is anything that's to do with them. We just don't really fill, so it's overflowing in some bits. But if you think, if you can get all those areas then filled and you can just start to stack them up through consistent habits and start like habit stacking with them, how good you're going to feel and how accomplished you're going to feel yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, without a doubt, I think that I think it is. It's it's really asking those questions and I think like one of the things. I actually just learned this really recently, and I think I spoke to you about this yesterday and I was chatting to lilia, who is from heal scotland, an amazing charity who is going to Heal Scotland, by the way. So go and have a look at our stuff. We're going to do it together. We're going to take over the world, aren't we? The whole of Scotland to start with. But anyway, I digress, and what she said is, when you ask yourself questions, it lights up the frontal lobe of your brain and it's almost like a flashlight looking for the answers, right, your brain, and it's almost like a flashlight looking for the answers right, it like lights that part of your brain up. So if we are going around and not thinking about what it is we want, are not asking ourselves these questions, then how are we going to get the answers if we're not asking ourselves the question? And I think it's so important that we ask ourselves difficult questions.
Speaker 2:Yes, and real. Be like, really, really honest with yourself about the questions that you're asking. Like if you absolutely hate your job right? Your job fills up so much of your life, doesn't that like? It genuinely does ask yourself like what is it I want for work? How can I get this for work? What actions would I need to take to do that? And it might not be today and tomorrow, but see if you can ask yourself those deep-rooted questions like what is it that I actually want here, then your brain opens up and it says, right, okay, do you know what? I'm ready to start attracting those things. And it might be that you need to do a bit of studying. It might be that you just need to start looking for something new. Or it might be that you're going to go in a completely different direction. Speaking of completely different directions, if you even think about your brother, sean, and Sean's. Do you know what you talk about? Sean here, like he asked himself what he wanted, didn't he?
Speaker 1:Yes, for a long period of time my older brother worked in like pharmacy, a job that he adored the people that he worked with, but he didn't love the job that he was doing and it massively didn't fill his cup. And as a result of that, we got the Sean that was a bit crabbit, a bit raging all the time right Because he was going and doing a nine to five and something he absolutely hated. And what then happened was his actions on what he did in his personal life didn't mimic the person that he wanted to be. Going out at the weekend every single weekend, back-to-back, drinking right and then living that phase of like I'm just going to work Monday to Friday and then I'm going to go out every single weekend, really put him into a place that it wasn't the person that he wanted to be and he got really clear on like okay, what is it that I want to do? He started to fall in love with all things health and fairness.
Speaker 1:He got to see firsthand the transformation physically that he got, the transformation more mentally on the person he was starting to become and showing up for, and it got him being like, oh my god, like this is what I want. Like, yeah, I want to feel this good all the time, and this is how I want to act. I don't want to go out every weekend like there's more to life than just drinking. Yeah, and that ignited a passion that then went wait, so many more people need more help. Yeah, and we spoke about it at like massive depth, and we talk about something called the I always pronounce this wrong. What the sunk cost fallacy eh sole cost fallacy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the sole cost yeah all based on you stay doing something that you're really stuck in because of the time investment you've already put into it. Yeah. So if you've been doing a job for 10 years and you are a master at doing that job, you just kind of get by because you've already, you've already, I've given it 10 years of my life, I'm quite good at it. It's all right, but it's actually not filling your cup, it's draining you. Yes, making your external actions to that job, yeah, not replicate who you want to be.
Speaker 1:And that's how he was starting to feel. And he got to the point that he juggled them part-time and then went right, wait, if I really want this, and this is what I want to be and what I want my life, I'm going to need to go all in. And when you look at him now, you what? Four or five years later, he's now got like his own gym, which would have been like his wildest dream that at one point he thought about but went. I'll never get to that, but he turned up with his actions every day. He put himself in the right groups, right places, right times, most importantly, asked the right questions. Yeah, and then got to that end point. Yeah. And when you look at the actions that change from that.
Speaker 2:Oh my god yeah, it's huge, yeah, definitely. So big shout out to Sean and Bob, which is amazing. But to talk about, like, reverting back to what you just said there, I think this is really important, that it's not just this um, we think about that as in business. You've got to look at your whole life in that way, like you've got to think right, okay, do you know what in my relationships that I'm in, whether that be your friends or your, your spouse, or you see, if something doesn't make you happy, but you're like, do you know what I've been doing this for the past 20 years? Like, or I've been friends with these people for the past 20 years, or I've been in this relationship and it is not filling my cup, it's not igniting me full of fire, but do you know what I've spent this last 20 years with these people or this person? And you're like I'm just doing it because it's simple and it's easy, but I'm kind of dragging my heels, like this is something I'm not saying.
Speaker 2:You just go split up with your partners or whatever, right, but see if you're not happy about it, get clear on what is you want from your relationships with people and tell them like it's not, like you make up that, your mind, that right, you know what. This isn't what I want and I that that's it. I'm not going to like speak to my friends or my family about it. It's about getting clear and then actually having a grown-up conversation that does not result in an argument and to say listen, this is how I'm feeling and I really want us to carry on being friends or being in this relationship, but this is how I'm evolving and this is the way I want to see it going. And I always remember having this conversation with my old boss years ago, as people who want to be around you will rise up to meet you and you see the rest, they'll follow you and that's so, so true. So give people the opportunities to come with you. Oh, massively.
Speaker 1:And remember it's all right that not every friendship, work, colleague or relationship is meant to be forever. Yeah, there's no that come into your life at certain points for certain things. Oh yeah, definitely, that's absolutely fine if you go. Do you know what? Like, I need to detach myself from either that, that group, by that environment, because often you find yourself that it could be a group, it could be an environment that you're settling in and they're really holding you back from that potential of what you're trying to get to, but you're just pulling back time and time again. Yeah, I love what you said about just having an adult conversation. Oh my god, how mad is that. I think everyone thinks anything negative you talk about needs to be like a big barbie or like, oh my god, and it's like, just be honest, no one can ever be an old lady.
Speaker 2:We're just being honest on on what you want and where your head's at and I think that there's a big thing is when it comes to like relationships. Like I think that there's a lot that break down because there isn't honesty, and then people are just like they just don't understand men and you're like is that actually true? Are you communicating well? Like I hear quite a they're doing my not-and-da-da-da-da and I'm like you had this conversation. Well, no, because they just don't get me. And I'm like give everybody the opportunity.
Speaker 2:Like it is vitally important that we have challenging conversations with people. Like oh my God, how many challenging conversations have you and I have? And we hug it there and there and like and it's like it's. That's what real grown-up relationships are about and that's what is beautiful about having these relationships where you can get clear on what you need from each other. Because do you know what? Like as much as relationships shouldn't be transactional, everything is like and not in a like, a monetary form. Like you bring stuff to your relationships with people and people bring their stuff to their relationships with you.
Speaker 1:And I think getting to the point in that conversation, or like a discussion like that, isn't about someone being right and wrong. Oh yes, we are in a little bit of a like a world where it's like right or wrong. Right, in every conversation you have and every like heated discussion that potentially has is like oh, you're right, I'm wrong, I'm right and you're wrong. That's not what it needs to be about. Like, everyone has got an opinion, yeah, and everyone's got their point of view, yeah. See, as long as you're putting it across, yeah, really respectful and honest way, sometimes you're going to end the conversation going. Do you know what I respect? How you feel you respect how I feel and that's.
Speaker 2:That is exactly, and you can grow together from that. You desperately can.
Speaker 1:I think that when you think that you're right and somebody else thinks that they're right, the best thing that you can do is how can I come to an amicable finish here, like because you're going to think that and I'm going to think that and nothing's going to change our thought process, but I still want to be your pal but then also, how many people hold on to a habit oh my god and this is huge when it comes to also getting clear right and go say you feel a way like that, you're in a situation you're like, well, I'm right, and the other one that pure raging, and your actions start to mimic that was like sassy Nats, there, wasn't it.
Speaker 1:Your actions start to mimic how you feel right and then you just, the longer you hold on to this, the more negative impact it has on you than anything else. Rather than just going right, let's have the conversation, let's let it go and see those four weeks of worrying about something that actually was nothing to worry about before you just went baby, what was that about? Or let's have a chat. It's done exactly. It's wild. I always remember someone saying to me if and though, let it out, yeah, and it's just like just ask the question exactly, and it's just, it's definitely doing that.
Speaker 2:I think a really great analogy when you were saying that there is holding a grudge is like holding a hot coal in your hand and expecting to burn someone else. I think I've never heard that. Well, that is like I think about that all the time. I think that let it go like it doesn't serve you like, but hate building up inside you, yeah, and being pissed off at somebody else. They're probably cutting about the world, not even thinking about it, and you're getting all of this. And then this rage like how is that helping you? How low are you like vibrational frequency are you on when you're cutting about raging?
Speaker 2:And then, what do you get more of when you're cutting about raging? Me, I'm raging, so yeah. So flick the switch. Definitely. So, yeah, so flick the switch, definitely. So yeah, get in clarity. Don't be pissed off all the time, yeah. And if you are pissed off all the time, all of the time, ask yourself the question why open up the front? Oh my god, what was that? I thought out when you done that? Was that that thing? The labyrinth? Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2:no, I was more thinking the aliens are a toy story with a wee eyeball story I need to show you the labyrinth, the very, very first one, and it's this freaky thing where you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:So that kind of gets you.
Speaker 1:I knew this was going to happen. Do you know, though, watch this, because we spoke about, obviously, your external relationships with, partners, with friends. Watch this, watch this. Circle us back, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, because we spoke about there, obviously like your external relationships with, like partners, with friends and stuff like that, and we're touching base on this from a point of we come across a lot of mums who are like, stuck in this rut, and something that always comes up is it's just me that's having to do everything like honestly, like nobody helps me once that, like I'm the cleaner, I'm the cook, I'm the wash rubber, I'm this, and you're about like that. You could tell me today and I'd do it, because I'm petrified to share that now. Yeah, but it's about having those honest conversations as a family. Right, and I imagine that a lot of people have. These conversations are arguments more like with, like their partner probably been like I haven't done this, you're having to do that, all that stuff, but sitting down as a family and identifying who's got what role, yes, in terms of right, how can you all help each other? And I think that we talk about clarity individually.
Speaker 1:It's a really, really big thing if you are like a mum and you're listening, getting clear on what you want as a family yeah as well, and whether that be experiences that you want to do, places that you want to visit, and understanding what roles are going to help to get you there. Because when you get clear on what you want, it's important you get people on your side that can help you. And if you're not sharing that with everyone, that they all know what it is that you're after, you know what they're after, then how are you expecting to make that bigger picture? But wandering in the dark and that really really it is that you're after. You know what they're after then how are you expecting to make that bigger picture? It's like wandering in the dark. In fact, it really really is your team you're buying and for some people, their team will be like their friends, their family and their loved ones. For some people, their team will be their loved ones and their kids, et cetera.
Speaker 2:But it's about going right. Let's share this with everyone. You can make it happen. Yeah, definitely for sure. I think that's a great point 100 well done. That's brought that back. We did definitely, because we were going a wee bit crazy there. So, when we're talking about getting clarity right, what are, what are the things that would keep you stuck? Do you think what are the actions that would keep you stuck?
Speaker 1:I was thinking about, like your limiting beliefs, when you're thinking about this right, and we all have these limiting beliefs. So if we think about it, it's something that you believe that is ultimately holding you back from actually taking the action and making the progress towards it, and whether that be I think we spoke about this briefly in another podcast.
Speaker 2:I'm a bit on that if you dreamt a good job and bring it into reality, well done um, in terms of it's a story you keep telling yourself.
Speaker 1:Right, and so many people get stuck in a rut because they tell themselves this story, that this is just the way that it's going to be. Yeah, I'm just meant to feel like this forever. I'm just meant to be fat, I'm just meant to just be a mum. And it's like you need to start to do the work to go over that, because, see, if that's what you believe, your belief then turns into your actions. Your actions then turn into your reality. Yeah, that's what you're telling yourself. You're never going to turn up to be the woman or man or child that you want to be exactly, I think, that what you had said there.
Speaker 2:I think that what you're complaining about most right is probably the area of your life that you want to pick up on, yeah, and I think, like, see, if you are constantly talking about all of the things that are bad in your life, that's what, like you said, it's good, it's what you're going to pull back to, okay, um. So I think, like, try and get a swear jar I know that we have bloody rich saying that in here, right, but try and get yourself like a complain jar and say to yourself, right, for one week, I need to put in a pound every time I complain about something. You will stop, and if you don't stop, you can send them straight to curfews and everything, all the pounds, and we'll take them in the next podcast. Thank you so much, um, so the actions that you need to take to align you to becoming that person getting clarity yeah, I think that you've got to firstly, decide what you want, yeah. Secondly, decide what you don't want and what you're not going to speak about, yeah, and be aware of that. Write it down. You've got to write it down. It becomes a fact when you write something down, doesn't it. Yeah, tell people what it is you're trying to get clear on, so that they're aware, so that they can work together with you. And then what do you do? You watch the magic happen? Absolutely, yeah, absolutely do.
Speaker 2:Now we had a question, yeah, didn't we? Some one of our members and I've been. It's quite a deep question. I'm going to be honest with you. When I read it it was a bit like, oh, a wee bit of a stab, I would say like, not as and she was getting a dig in, but like it was at heart. And our question was how do you stay motivated when you look at yourself and you hate what you see, no matter what you do, and that's like a. That's a deep question and I think that a lot of it is to do with how you actually feel about yourself as a person.
Speaker 2:I know that we spoke about in one of the episodes about the challenges that I had around disorderly eating when I was younger, and there was a point that I absolutely hated my body. Like I looked in the mirror and I could see myself growing my body. Like I looked in the mirror and I could see myself growing. Like I used to look at myself in the mirror and I would genuinely be getting bigger every time I looked at myself and I hated what I saw and, like Nats and I were talking about this, I was really surprised too, um, but like that was probably in the depths when it was like at its worst, yeah, and I did genuinely feel that way. Um, but I got clarity on what it was that I wanted and I tried to get my, my actions to align with what my clarity was like, what my goal was, and my goal was, firstly, to stop doing what I was doing, like that's a big big thing it was. It was right, I need to create new habits here, and if I don't create new habits, I'm going to feel like this forever.
Speaker 2:So I think that I took the, I took the ownership away from that disorder and I put it back and like I get back in the driving seat and I said, right, okay, so what is it that I actually want? And what I wanted was to be well and not to have something like that controlling my life. And then I went right, okay, so what's that going to take? Right, I'm going to need to stop making myself sick, but I'm also going to need to stop binging. Yeah, right, I'm going to need to stop doing that. So what am I going to need to do? I'm going to need to start eating well so that I don't feel like I want to binge. And right, how can I manage this a bit better? Because what I'm doing is I'm over exercising here, I'm running like a crazy person and I'm starving, and that's no help in this situation. So you go like that right, okay, what can I do? Right, maybe I'll pull back on the exercise a wee bit and then I'll be wise with what I'm eating. But then you start telling you, like you see some changes, and you get a wee bit happier about it and maybe start to do a wee bit of strength training.
Speaker 2:But you get clear on the actions that you've got to take for you to be able to get out the other side. So see, if you hate something about yourself, firstly, you will achieve far more for love with your body than you will for hate. So if you can try and flip that around which isn't easy, but you can do it if you can flip that around and stop hating on yourself and start saying, right, okay, actually, what can I do? That I'm going to better myself and hold yourself to a standard and hold yourself accountable to that, as I said in that podcast before when I talked about that, just because that isn't the way I live anymore, isn't the way some of my thought processes go, and it could be very easy to revert back to that sometimes. Um, but get clear decide what your your actions aren't going to look like. Decide what your actions are going to look like. Decide what the person you want to be would do and try and align with that massive yeah thanks, thanks.
Speaker 1:I think it's probably like normalizing that as females, there's certain times that we're going to feel that way, right, like there.
Speaker 1:There'll be situations and for some people it might be all of the time that you look in the mirror and and that's what you see, like you hate it and you're just like how did I get through that? How did I stay motivated? I think it's females with the grateful gift of a menstrual cycle. There's times that you're going to feel that just popping in now and again, and I think it's important to remember to have like a gratitude for what your body can do, even when you feel like you're turning up to do the actions that maybe aren't reflecting back. What you want at that given moment is that it's all right to have those wee periods of time where you maybe look and it's not your most favourite thing that you're seeing there, but you know that you're doing what you said you were going to do to be able to get you there. I think that's an important one because, let's be honest, followed a little bit of a bitch fit in a changing room at some point in her life.
Speaker 2:You actually messaged me with one of those last night did you?
Speaker 1:oh man, there's a reason I'm wearing jammy bottoms in this podcast, no kidding on. So yeah, shivzi and I talk about this quite a lot.
Speaker 2:Like you go into a changing room, went into the new zara very interesting experience I feel like it's like when you're going in for surgery the floor's bright, the ceiling's bright, everything's bright, and it's a bit overs're going in for surgery, the floor's bright, the ceiling's bright, everything's bright, and it's a bit oversensory for me. I don't know how you feel. I felt a wee bit like heaven Die. Oh, do you really watch still game if I died? No, you don't get it because you don't watch still game If I died.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I was like, is this what heaven's like? Wow, anyway, like you take stuff into a changing room and you're like, oh, that looks lovely when it's on a hanger or on a model you put it on. And anyway, let's be honest, post work, working in a gym in the heat was never a good idea. No, make up never a good idea. Hormonal, hormonal, never a good idea. Three strikes why did it go?
Speaker 2:and no tan. I mean, how crazy can you get some of us have not been in Thailand recently neither they have or semi-retired sitting at the back door.
Speaker 1:Glad she said that not me, by the way. I nearly said earlier, we're cracking tan and I was like when's your night? Right in loving life, I'm actually buzzing for you because it's really what you wanted, like. You've tried so bloody hard to get to that point clarity, conscious movement result mic drop anyway.
Speaker 1:So I went into the Zara changing room, tried like three out of the many items that I took in, yeah, decided that I didn't even know what clothes size I was, that the place was roasting, I was slightly overstimulated and I needed a night. So I went, went and bought a bottle of water and get back in my car and finish listening to the podcast, yeah, well, but all jokes aside, that's keeping it light-hearted. I think there are going to be periods of time where you're just not feeling at your best and it's about one like what can I do? I'm very grateful that I've been probably in a good mindset from probably late teens, because the industry that I've worked in who have surrounded myself like massively, you played a huge, a huge, huge role in that.
Speaker 1:That, even when that reflection isn't what I dream it to one day be, I'm still able to put my feet on the ground and go right, it gets me through every day. I can still train. Yeah, I maybe need to be a bit better at doing x, y or z, but maybe a bit kinder. Yes, I think that's something that like the flip side of it is just being able to work through those things and go. Do you know what? Am I going to waste energy on beating myself up in this mirror when these are all? They said that nothing's going to change, yeah, like right here and right now. Yeah, this is what I can do, yeah. And if you're's going to change, yeah, like right here and right now, this is what I can do yeah, and if you're not willing to change anything, like I know this is hard like don't complain.
Speaker 2:Do you honestly, like? I genuinely mean this see, if you're like not happy with something in your life but you're not taking action and you're not getting clear on what it is you want and you're still living that life a year down the line, it's your own fault. Like you're not taking action, like and I know that that's that sounds harsh, but it is, it's reality. And I think, see, creating a set of non-negotiable goals, like with yourself, when it comes to whatever you aspire to achieve, like I'm not even talking about with your like with your body. For me, right, there is three days of the week that I have got non-negotiables with myself, right since I've started stopping work. That's actually weird to say, but that is the thing, like you, and it's like, right, on a Tuesday, this is what I do, do-do-do-do. On a Wednesday, this is what I do, and on a Thursday, this is what I do, and that's what I try.
Speaker 2:And do you know what? What that's my non-negotiables with myself. I need to get those things done and everything else will fit in it, and you've got to hold yourself to that standard. You're just going to wander in the dark when it comes to your exercise, when it comes to your nutrition, when it comes to, like, staying in touch with the people that you love, having conversations with your significant other at home or your cat. Like you set a non-negotiable with your dog, don't you, right, walk that dog every day, or that poor dog's getting it? And sometimes we treat a dog with more respect than what we would treat ourself. What did you say the other day? Well, I don't know plenty.
Speaker 1:Treat yourself the way you would treat your best friend.
Speaker 2:Yes, so if you were to get your best pal's body for a year, would you treat it differently to what you would treat yourself? Would you speak to it differently? Would you take it to the gym more often? Would you walk it more often because you care deeply about your best friend? How about what we do as women is we start just loving ourselves for what we can do?
Speaker 2:You're going to look at your body and the mirror sometimes and go like that oh god right, okay, boobs are a wee bit repelling what they used to be. What is? Do you remember that film with Cameron Diaz? Oh, 25, 30 or something. That's funny. Do you know what my friend Stacey loved that film? Uh, I can't. We'll need to find out what. It's hilarious. But like there are things that are going to change on your body, in your body as a female, as you get older, or even like there's going to be things that you look at that you don't like about yourself and just accepting that sometimes, yeah, you can change it, but sometimes this is just how I am. Also certain things about your personality. Like we can make forward movements and progress in who we are as people, but sometimes there's going to be things that you're saying that you do that maybe don't align with what you want and the person that you want to be and accepting you know what that was a mistake. We're human. That's how you learn.
Speaker 1:It is definitely um, so yeah, I think a really big one is having a minimum expectation. Oh yeah, I love this. Actually, this is huge. We all cut about in life with this maximum expectation that we're going to do all this amazing stuff. We're all at the first hurdle. I'm failing. I just can't achieve it. See if you and it's great to like aim really high, right, and have that maximum expectation, but see if you can be realistic and you can go right, the minimum I expect of myself as x, y and z and see when you achieve that you can tick that box and you can go right, okay, I showed up for that and that's enough and that is enough. Yeah, you've also got your maximum expectation that you can also aim for.
Speaker 1:I think as females, it's important because we're not always firing on all cylinders, right and like let's be honest, you'll watch this and be like those two are a wee bit men all the day and it's alright. But do you know what? See, this week is about going right, let's get my minimum expectation met. I've turned up and I've done X, y and Z. It's because my brain's not working, but you go like I've done that and, yeah, the other three weeks of the month, you know what I do expect more of myself, but see, this week made it to friday, go me right. And that is something that I think you've got to be realistic with what you can actually do, because sometimes you're setting yourself up to be in a rut.
Speaker 2:And if you don't ask yourself the question what am I willing to change? Yes, that's the question, isn't it? What am I willing to change? And if you do that, like again being honest with yourself, open that self up, get honest, be honest, don't dance around the question. Get real with what you want good reaches.
Speaker 1:I felt like I was starting a radio station. Welcome to the sisterhood FM. That's a good thing. It's a good news channel, is it not? By the way, wait till we've got a radio station. You'll be like, oh my god, remember that time that we dafty with her mono.
Speaker 2:Remember that maybe we'll have the sisterhood circle. By the way, I'm roasting you, but do you think that we might have a Sisterhood Circle talk show one day? That could be cool, you know, like Loose Women, but for Scottish broads, like we could totally do that, couldn't we?
Speaker 1:We've got like our own language, haven't we?
Speaker 2:Don't talk about that. I cannae tell you about that.
Speaker 1:No, I just mean our own language like as Scottish people.
Speaker 2:Oh, I thought you were talking about making up your own language. I do have a friend that we've both got our own language. Louise, I'm shouting out to you baby hinky tonky, winky wonky, she's gonna die when she listens to this. Anyway, we'll digress and start from a place I love when it comes to making changes. Yes, that is a nearly dying cue. What right?
Speaker 2:So there is a backstory to this right right story is myself and my friends were on holiday for a hen doing ibiza and, um, let's just say there was not a lot of sleep being had, and me and my friend were walking back to the beach one day and we just thought it would be hilarious to start talking in our own language to each other. And that's the kind of model of the language doesn't actually mean anything. It was just as many rhyming words as you could get in a sentence as you can. So, yeah, that's that, but it was like code word for something. Do you know that way where you're kind of? You know how we don't cut the podcasts? Kind of wishing that you could cut them.
Speaker 1:I thought it was like code word this is where my chimp's going right now, right? I thought it was like code word for like she's doing my nutting no, see me and my friends.
Speaker 2:We never speak about that like that to you. That's so funny, right? Where are we? We are in our thin and limelight studios limelight, limelight studios sorry, stuart, right.
Speaker 2:So we're talking about getting back on track here. We're talking about coming from a place of love for yourself. See, when you're trying to get clarity, think about all the things that you want for your life, the things that you want to love about your life. Really work towards those and try and let go of anything that's holding you back, any negative feelings, any negative emotions. They don't serve you anymore. Start like On, you go. You will not go anymore.
Speaker 2:Start dressing like you love yourself. Show up like you love yourself. Put some matching underwear on, huge like if you like wearing makeup, but you feel like you're cutting about with your hair in a messy bun. You don't get any makeup on. Take a couple of minutes to yourself and put a wee bit of makeup on if that makes you feel good. Get out of your joggies or get out of the stuff that's manky, if you can right and start kind of dressing the way that makes you feel good. I think that there's huge weight in that, that when we feel stuck in a rut, we don't really make an effort and then when you you're cutting about the world, you don't feel at your best. Like, use that, like. The only way that you can get out of a rut is by taking action on what's going to make you feel good and what's going to make you feel loved within yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's a bit like turning up for the woman you want to be. Yes, right, like you can't expect to just go from like here to there without actually putting the effort and what that does for your confidence, even feeling yourself. Remember in lockdown, when, like on a friday or a saturday, you'd make the effort to do your hair bits and makeup or wear something that wasn't a pair of leggings and a monthly top, and how that felt for you. You start doing that. You feel better, definitely want to then start showing up for yourself in the other areas of your life and doing the actions that you've been talking about doing for so long.
Speaker 2:Yeah, show up at the gym or go for the walk, or phone your friend or reduce the amount of alcohol that you drink or just the types of foods that are only aligning with that person that you want to be. I think, um, stop blaming, shaming and complaining. It's huge and make sure that you're flexing the muscle, the muscle that gets you the goal that you want, like you want to work on yourself, like you would work on your muscles at the gym. The more you flex, the more you love that's a page, so just get out your own way.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, oh yeah stop being your own wee victim in your head. Just be like right, I've got to start doing this, I've got to turn that. But if there's anything from this podcast it's that easy to listen to a podcast and talk a really good game and to sit here and go I listen. Sorry, I'm going right. I'm going to do that. I'm going to get clear. I'm going to start turning up for myself.
Speaker 1:Put an action in your diary where you give yourself a bit of time to sit down in an uninterrupted space if possible and get really clear and put paper on it, because this isn't just phrase to think about and you don't just think about it and make a change. You've actually got to and paper, get real and start turning up for that. Yeah, and that's what we really want you to take away. We don't just want you to laugh our daftness today it's been hormonal, right, please do. I really hope you do. Um, but take the time and give yourself the time that you deserve to go. Right, I'm the driver. Where am I going? Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:So I think that that brings us to the end of Season 2, Episode 1. Now, that was a little bit crazy, but do you know what? We're rolling with it, aren't we?
Speaker 1:I think that one should be called the Chaotic Corner.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's change the name, Right, so the Chaotic Corner. We will be back next week when we are a wee bit better. Please make sure that you tune in, make sure that you share on your social media platforms did you see that I tripped over my words again? And also share with us if you get a wee bit mental in your hormonal. Yes, definitely so. Thank you so much for joining us today and we will see you next time. Bye.