This F@#king Country
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This F@#king Country
The Protest Was Nice But It's Time To Make A Difference
We go from protest euphoria to Monday’s unchanged reality and ask how to turn anger into action. We reject waiting for party heroes and map concrete steps: targeted boycotts, independent media, public data, and safer, smarter organizing.
• no-confidence in party leadership and performative politics
• outrage fatigue and the need for measurable action
• targeted, sustained boycotts as economic leverage
• shifting spend to local businesses and pausing nonessential purchases
• building independent media and podcast networks for reliable news
• public databases on Jan 6 offenders and extremist groups
• tracking real-world impacts of policy: hospitals, aid, benefits, jobs
• recruiting trusted messengers to reach disengaged audiences
• long-game community investment in underserved regions
• safety-first organizing and clear, shared toolkits
• create a knowledge hub for ideas, resources, and coordination
Hello and welcome to this fucking country. I'm your host, Greg, and with me today again is my friend John. John, how you doing today?
SPEAKER_01:I am great. Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_02:Do you feel wonderful? Do you feel refreshed after the fucking protest?
SPEAKER_01:I'm so rejuvenated. Can't believe it.
SPEAKER_02:You feel like the world's changed now? Like, you know, nothing's gonna be the same.
SPEAKER_01:I tell you, the four hours I spent on Saturday walking around downtown, I think that really made a difference, Greg.
SPEAKER_02:You and me both are friends. We we both went to the protest. Uh John went downtown to Chicago. I stayed in my uh community, and we both kind of thought it was great, and we both thought it wasn't gonna fucking change a fucking thing. We we wanted to talk today about like what to do next. And John at one point had suggested like what are we gonna do and what are the Democrats gonna do? And it kind of made me laugh inside a lot. So I I told John before we got on here, I said, Yeah, I don't expect the fucking Democrats to do shit all. So, John, what do you think? Well, you you got a lot of faith in the Democrats coming to our rescue? Oh, zero faith.
SPEAKER_01:Zero faith, great. It's uh well, we were actually joking, as you said, before we even went on today. Monday feels exactly the same as it did on Friday. The same talking points, the same little clips I'm seeing, you know, online of my you know news feeds. It was great. I'm glad that the participation was you know enormous, and not only you know nationwide, but globally. Um Ireland, London, I think uh South Korea, I all over the place. You know, people were chiming in, and that's it's really encouraging. That's great. Yeah, but also our lives have not changed one iota 24 or 48 hours later.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I honestly I'm I'm really looking forward to when that fat orange fuck dies. Oh, yeah. Because I'm really curious to see where they bury his fat ass, because it is gonna be like people said, there are gonna be millions of people pissing on his fucking grave. I mean, I will actually travel out of state to fucking take a piss on his grave if I can. I will walk there if I have to. I don't care.
SPEAKER_01:Um he'll have to be buried at sea or shot into space, right? Because there's no way that's not going to be desecrated.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. Maybe his buddy Elon will uh will, or or who's the other douchebag when Space. Oh, Bezos. Yeah, the two of them could shoot him out to fucking space. Basically, neither of us have any expectations for the Democrats. I am personally, every day that goes by, I am so fucking more disgusted with the Democrats. It's just when you think you can't get more disgusted, you do. I and I keep going back to the same fucking thing. Why are we fucking here? I just started paying a lot of attention to politics recently. Like since Trump came into office, all of a sudden you feel like fuck, I gotta see what's going on, or I'm gonna fucking something bad's gonna happen if I'm not aware, right? Right, yeah, right. So it's like self-preservation. But these fucking assholes in the Democratic Party, they've they've been there, they've they've known what's been going on. They're talking to all these other Republican douchebags behind the doors, they know what people are saying. They saw 20 the uh Project 2025 way before we did, and they did fucking nothing to stop this shit.
SPEAKER_01:So I can't process that. I don't even know how to make sense of it because you're right. None of this is a secret. We've all known we're spectators thousands of miles, both literally and figuratively, out of that realm, and we knew what was coming, and that information gets shared at light speed, and you know, bad news travels fast, but we were all well aware of what was going to happen. Yeah, and we have not been wrong yet. Yeah, but we have no, I know that you know our vote is our voice and our vote is our power, and blah blah blah. That's exactly so we have people in that inner circle that are supposed to be acting on our behalf, and they've been just as aware as we are and have done nothing. And I don't want to hear any stories about how well we've held votes and we've talked, and you know, we've held the floor and we fill a bustard and so on and so forth. We wrote strongly worded letters, yeah. Right? It's I I'm just done with it. Done with it. Yeah, um, if we had the opportunity to fix things, and this is not hyperbole, I truly think that people of our station are more able to make change than those people entrenched in the system.
SPEAKER_02:I am so disappointed because I used to believe in this country. I used to believe in the people of this country, that they were basically good. We were uh uh a good people who wanted to just kind of get along and all function together. So that has been shattered. And then the idea that any of the politicians care at all about any and you know what I take that back. I still gotta say Bernie. Oh, for sure. Fucking, you know, there's a few of them still that that are still preaching the same thing for decades, right? But 99% of them probably just fucking burn them all down in the building at the same time. It's it's just like fuck them all. And and I mean, even before Trump, even before the rest of the shit, I mean when the gerrymandering was going on, when when the courts were being taken over, slowly but surely, right? I mean, they they've been doing this for decades. Right. Nothing, fucking nothing, no, no call to arms, no, hey people, you better get out, nothing. It was fucking radio silence. So I I came to the conclusion, at least with the fucking Democratic Party, is that they're one of three things. They're either incompetent, they're either fucking stupid, or they're complicit. And I think they're complicit. Because I I know a lot of them are not stupid. I I do believe they are incompetent, but I don't think they're incompetent because they're not capable of it. I think they're just so worried about keeping their little world of power, their little their little feeling of what they got. You know, that they want that salary, they want that fucking insider trading, they want all those goodies, you know, the healthcare insider trading. Yeah. So so that's what they want to keep, and they can give a flying fuck about this country because it's it's gonna go up in flames, man. It's all our economy is gonna crash. So many fucking things are gonna happen in such a horrible way, and they don't seem to give a fuck. Now, which would if you had to pick the three of those choices, what would you go? Or your own.
SPEAKER_01:If you don't mind, I'd like to throw a fourth in there. Um, because there's this sort of spinelessness in the party, this uh naive uh outlook on what's happening, and uh geez, if we just do this do this the right way, you know, let's let's hold a vote and let let's all talk about this and we'll negotiate in a part bipartisan fashion and um you know let's work this out together. That naive ideology, although I appreciate it, you know, as a six or seven-year-old person, I appreciate that thought process. Sure. As a 56-year-old, I'm like, well, don't we have decades of that not working now? And don't we have plenty of documentation that it doesn't work? And they have no interest in following through on negotiations. Yeah. Well, hell, even Trump said that this ridiculous ballroom he was building. Oh my god. You know what? It's not gonna touch the White House proper. You know, it's it'll be a standalone building. You saw that footage today. There's a frickin' dumpster in front of the place as uh the East Wing is being knocked down. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So we're recording this and we're both looked online, and there you go, there's fucking bulldozers knocking shit out of the fucking White House. It's like horrible.
SPEAKER_01:This is not a surprise. We knew this was gonna happen. Yeah, but um, I think that is my overall sense right now of the party is if they're not one of those three things which you mentioned, and or a combination of all of them, yeah, yeah. Um there's this naive sense that if they just do things the right way and play fair, yeah. Gosh darn it, you know, the good will prevail. Right.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think you're right. I think for some of them, like Biden, I think Biden is so old and he's been doing this for so long, and again, his facilities are not great. Right. So I think I would give him a pass for that. Um not not like a good pass because he's still fucked up, but like Merrick Garland, what the fuck? What I mean, just just choosing that fucking guy was a mistake, and him doing nothing was a fuck. I mean, so many different things could have happened, but the yeah, this this fucking dancing around and oh, it's all sing kumbaya, I'll be fine, reach across the aisle, bullshit. It's like a fucking fourth grader could see what was coming, and these fucking idiots are still doing the same thing. It doesn't work on the playground, it's not gonna work in Washington. Yeah, yeah. I I'm speechless because when we we're gonna get to what we want to do, what we think we should do next, and part of like what I'm gonna get to is we need to get rid of the fucking Democratic Party. Yeah, you know, but but we'll get to that. I I am of the firm belief, and I believe you are with me, that there is no politician coming to help. Uh, we have a few who are still preaching to the choir that I think we can use that I think could be useful. But overall, I think it is in the hands of the people now. It's time to start getting creative.
SPEAKER_01:I agree, I agree. Um you and I have talked ad nauseum about some of the things we'd love to do, about some of the things we'd love to see happen. We both consume news voraciously. And I love the folks at the bulwark, you know, there are a lot of great Lincoln project. Yeah. Great, great people, super smart, uh, super active people, love it. However, I am so done with talking about how crappy things are. Can you believe this guy? Oh, the hypocrisy. We know, we know all of this. Yeah, let's stop talking about how bad it is because we all know it's bad. Still share the news. I want to know what heinous act you know he's committed today because there will be something new tomorrow. But I'm not as interested anymore about hearing what happened what happened. I want to start talking about what do we do? Yeah, from the top levels of democratic government down to a couple of people sitting at a bar. Yeah. I want to start doing and I want people to start sharing ideas about what to do. No more podcasts about, hey, did you hear this just happen today? Oh, you know, they're so I can't believe the hypocrisy of them doing this, uh not holding a vote when they held a vote for a Republican and swear and swore them in. That doesn't matter anymore. That's not interesting anymore. And don't worry, I'm still gonna be furious if you don't feed me that little bit of information tomorrow.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. The next person that says, Do you know what the Republicans would have done if Biden did this? I will stab in the fucking face every fucking day. I hear some asshole. Do you know what they would shut the fuck up? Right. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, we know. Yeah, yeah, we do. We do know. Okay, shut the fuck up. Right. Yeah. Honestly, in the media too. I'm so fucked. Thank God there are some podcasters out there doing shit. Like you said, my distribution. Yeah. Um, you know what's funny? Two of my heroes right now, my biggest heroes politically, are fucking Republicans. Tim Miller, who I fucking love Tim Miller. And Steve Schmidt. Oh, yeah. Is is like, and he calls this shit out. He's like, fuck this shit. You know, I mean, I love both. I I can't believe my fucking two biggest heroes right now in this in this time zone are two fucking Republicans.
SPEAKER_01:Right, and Rick Wilson. Yeah. I couldn't agree with you more. I love all three of them to death. And I think because they have the most credibility, they've been behind enemy lines on their side. Yeah, they've seen how bad it can get, and they have some sense of how to correct that. I'll be frank with you. I don't see Steve Schmidt like I used to. It was I need to seek him out more. Um, he was very vocal for a very long time, and he's not popping up in the algorithm.
SPEAKER_02:But now he's got his own thing going. I just saw him being interviewed recently, and it was a great fucking interview. I wish I could remember who it was with, but it was fantastic. And I'm like, okay, I fucking like this guy. Oh yeah, he's fantastic. But a true wordsmith. He knows he knows how to put a phrase together. And you know what? I think it's because I think they're mad as fuck. I think they're even more pissed off at us that their fucking party has been destroyed. Because as a Democrat, our party is useless, but they've never been much. You know what I mean? But with the Republicans, you know, the high fucking standards, the Christian fucking group, right? And these pieces of shit now, the pedophiles, the whole thing, they just fucking decimated. Like I can't talk to a fucking Republican. Now, if somebody walked up to me and said, yes, I'm still a Republican, but I fucking hate Trump, okay. I can have a conversation with you. But if you're even remotely, even remotely a Trump supporter, like, no, fuck you, you imbecile. Right. You want to take the you want to take the lead? You want to start off with any ideas of uh of what we should do? Or uh now I just want everybody to know out there, these are this is just a conversation. We are not uh imploring anyone to do anything, we're not suggesting anybody do anything illegal. This is just a conversation we're having of like possible things that might make the situation better. So right, let that be said.
SPEAKER_01:And these aren't even fleshed out plans of any sort, we're brainstorming here in a desperate fashion, I'll admit, because something has to change, and change is only going to come from us, it's not gonna come from the top. So we just have to get creative and talk about things that maybe we're afraid to talk about before. Yeah. One of the things that um a great follow on Instagram, Zenial Farmer, um, awesome, awesome dude, very, very sharp, comes from um, you know, a red state farmer, and he comes from a red family, you know, so he's he's lived that life, um, but he's very progressive now, uh, but very sharp guy. And he made a comment last week that has stuck with me. Basically, what he said was have you noticed that no one talks about the Proud Boys or the Oath Keepers or anything like that anymore? They're awfully quiet, aren't they? Yeah, yes, they are because they're now gainfully employed for the government. You're paying for them, and I'm paying for them. You're seeing them on TV every day, every single day. Yep. And um, and and call me naive. Um, you know, I didn't even put two and two together. I just thought, oh, you know what, there's one less problem I have to think about right now. But yeah, those people had to come from somewhere. Oh, yeah, and these folks love ICE, oh ICE recruits love their job. Oh, yeah. They love what they do, and I realize now why, because they've been doing it for a long, long time. Um, now they're just getting paid to do it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. The white supremacy throughout ICE. I mean, we always knew there was a certain amount through all the police forces in the military, but ICE, ICE is basically just the KKK renamed. It is, it's their wet dream.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it really is. Um, because it has government support now. Yeah, you know, they're no longer in hiding. As a matter of fact, I believe um I'm gonna get my timeline wrong, but um Patel and the FBI have now um wiped mentions of um white supremacy from basically the FBI databases being a terrorist organization, domestic terrorist terrorist organization. Right. So every single day something more horrifying comes to light that makes us more powerless. And I'm I I'm not here to be Eeyore, you know, I'm not I'm not just woe is me. That's not my point, but my point is is every single day they're taking another step in our face. Yeah, and we're losing any sense of power that we have, which brings me to my point. All of the G the J6 insurrectionists, by and large, have been arrested and prosecuted for the vast majority of them. They're in the system now, they're in the court system. Whether they were felons or misdemeanors, whatever, you know, whatever they're arrested for, we now know who they are. I would like that collated some way. I would like some kind of database to let me know where these people that attacked our capital set fire, beat cops with flagpoles, wiped their own feces on the walls. I I want to know where these people are.
SPEAKER_02:I I would love to know that. Yeah. If everyone has access to all of our all of our representatives, so much so that they can go to their house and shoot them or burn their house. Burn their house down. Then why the fuck don't we know where these pieces of shit live?
SPEAKER_01:Right. You know, I think that's fair. And this is not for doxing purposes or make anybody's live life miserable, but I want to be able to protect myself. Does do one of these people live down the street from me? I know many, many came from Illinois. So that's you know, this I'm not just you know, because we're from a blue state thinking that you know no one has joined in there from Illinois, even from Chicago area.
SPEAKER_02:If you're loving your job, if you're proud of it, man, yeah, come on out. Yeah, you know, why not? Yeah. If you got the ball, but that's another thing too. I think we know these guys are fucking cowards. I mean, there's 20 fucking guys pulling a woman out of a car, you know, away from their child. Yeah. I mean, I as a man, I'm fucking embarrassed for these fucking guys. I mean, it it is such, and I I say this as a joke, but I also mean it is such fucking tiny dick energy. Oh, for sure. You know, you're like, you fucking little dick motherfuckers.
SPEAKER_01:Even as they as they're running in their packs as they are, like when you so this is we're not making this up. You know, you can watch footage almost every day of kids being five. Yeah, there you go. Um, but you hear all about you know the 11 trans athletes you know in the nation that are ruining our country. It what blows my mind is these are supposed to be, you know, alpha males this and that, and you know, Christian fiefdom of you know male energy. And they're grabbing women and throwing them to the ground.
SPEAKER_02:These are unfuckable just morons. These are honestly, I I think that's why these guys got to this position. Whatever fucking kind of lack of uh charisma, personality, dick, anything, spine, whatever they're lacking, I think they've been probably mistreated throughout their life by women like not wanting to fuck them, and rightly so. Right, you know, is so now they're fucking angry. Right now they got something to prove, now they got a fucking badge, you know? Uh-huh. And a platform. Yeah. And so so they're gonna run with it. And you know, I gotta say, the whole um the college forgiveness thing for ice, I thought was fucking hysterical. Because really, how many of those these fucking guys do you think are gonna actually use that? How many of these fucks actually went to college? It was a brilliant move. It'll cost Trump nothing. Exactly. Yeah, it wasn't. It sounds really good, and it probably trigger triggered a bunch of libs, but if you think about it, you're like, oh yeah, that's not gonna cost us a damn thing.
SPEAKER_01:If you waive like child child support fees or back payments, that line might get low.
SPEAKER_02:There you go. Yeah, yeah, or treatments for uh drug addiction. Right, yeah, then you might have an issue.
SPEAKER_01:You know, to your point earlier, um, we are not about you know doxing, hunting people down, but we our information is out there and available. There were there were drones flying throughout the crowds. I know there's facial recognition software that they're using. Initially I wasn't gonna bring my cell phone because I know they can triangulate and track it, but I'm like, they already know who I am. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, we we've been vocal on social media, so it's not like it's a surprise anymore.
SPEAKER_01:Right. So my point is let's level the playing field. If you're gonna know who we are as peaceful protesters, yeah, we have every right in the world, especially if we're financing them. Yep, we have every right in the world to know who the J6ers are. Let's get a database of those offenders. Proud boys, oathkeepers, all of those organizations that threaten our way of life as Americans, they are terrorist organizations. So we're not going to get that from the FBI anymore, is my point. Yeah. I'm not skilled, I don't have the skill set to put this information together or or find it even. But there are really clever, smart, motivated people out there that do have those abilities, and I really implore them to start putting those skills to use. Please.
SPEAKER_02:You had mentioned uh anonymous before, which I think is just a joke. You know, there's always this threat of these guys coming on, leaving these ominous fucking messages, you know, shivers. Right, and then nothing. You know, I mean, but you're right. There are there are some brilliant fucking people in this country, there are some techno wizards, you know, and I know they're on the right side of history, and I don't just don't know if they're too afraid, but there's a way of doing this shit and put in releasing the information. You know, give it to a friend, let them release it. You know what I mean? If you're afraid of doing it, just get the information to somebody.
SPEAKER_01:I would say in the past, we would both say, well, send it to a media outlet. Well, that doesn't mean anything anymore. That's true, yeah. Well, there are a bunch of podcasters who could do it. There are, yeah. And they do carry a lot of weight. And yeah, so I am an old man, so I am still I'm still learning the ways of you know social media, but the reality is like places like the Bulwark and the Lincoln Project and the Midas Touch, yeah, their reach is enormous. Absolutely. Um, we're not looking at newspapers anymore.
SPEAKER_02:That's no, that's no. There are really good pockets, though. There's uh and again, there's Al Jazeera, there's all sorts of other other news organizations from other countries that could, you know, would be happy as hell. And you know what else I would like to see? And I I'm sorry, but I do not believe this cannot happen. The fucking Epstein files. You you know how many people have seen those files. There have got to be tons of people by now in the FBI or CIA or somebody, Department of Justice. You know people have gone through them. I mean, all those fucking people who are redacting Trump's name out of it have seen those files. Right. So somebody fucking leak the fucking files. You know what I mean? Leak, I mean, come on. At least a few of the pages, something so obvious that you can't pretend anymore. Right. You know, my God, be a fucking hero, be a patriot.
SPEAKER_01:That's the best way to put it. Be a hero. You can be a hero right now. And you know, to that point, Epstein was many, many things. Dumb was not one of them. Anyone that lives that kind of life has backups upon backups and contingency plans. It has not come to light yet. And I know that at the time, you know, the clock is a ticking, and so it doesn't look great. But as you said, many people know what's in there. Many people likely have copies of what is in there. Yeah, I'd be willing to bet. I probably shouldn't go off on this tangent because I just heard it this afternoon. I did not vet any of it. But um I was listening to um a podcaster this afternoon, and somebody leaked to it was basically they were on a date and um he was trying to impress her, and he had access. I think he's involved with Project 2025, has access to some of that Epstein information and basically was spilling the beans on some of it to be impressive. Okay. Um so my point is you're absolutely right. It's out there. Somebody can get bits and pieces. Yeah. Any shreds of evidence will help. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. You know, if everybody does a little piece here, a little piece there, you know, we could put it together. Now, I from what I've heard about Epstein, he was very well connected, not only in this country, but I also believe he is very connected in Israel. So there's an all sorts of an intelligence issue, like in the intelligence uh community. Uh so there's a lot of very bad people that he was connected to. So maybe that's the reason everyone's so afraid of releasing this shit because there's a lot of really powerful fucking murdering people who are probably part of that. But again, bits and pieces. You know, a page here, a page there, right? They're hopefully they're not going to come kill you for that.
SPEAKER_01:If they can redact Republican politicians, their names, yeah. They can redact the murderous, you know, international just leave Trumps on there.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. Because we know that fuckers. We don't give a damn. That's the difference. Right. Because the Democrats are like, oh yeah, if Clinton or anyone else is in there, fuck them. Put them in jail. That was a part of that. Right. I mean, I can't wait. Did that memoir come out for the girl who killed herself yet? I believe so. If it's not out yet, I've seen the cover. Okay. So um it's I'm dying to see what's in there. I gotta hope there's something good in there.
SPEAKER_01:You know, it almost brings me back to Woodward though, and the reporting, how much information that jackass had during the first administration. Yeah. And instead of reporting and sharing with it all, sharing all of that with us, he wrote a fucking book. He wrote a fucking book that came out after he lost the you know re-election. Books are important. That type of information cannot be waited. You can't wait for press.
SPEAKER_02:If you're a fucking journalist and act like a fucking journalist, you're not a fucking author, you're a journalist. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I agree with you. And there's so many of the books now. It's like if you would have fucking just released that, we could have done something with that. Seriously, I can't believe we had four fucking years of this guy before, then we had four years without him, with him talking the whole time about what he was gonna do. Bannon saying all these things about what they're gonna do. And nobody did anything. Nobody tried to stop this shit. No, like we've got to do it. The people have got to do something. The thing I I want to say though, whatever we say, whatever we talk about, whatever people do, I want to do it safe. Yes. I don't want any more good people fucking getting shots because you know these fucking scumbags will fucking shoot anybody. They're shooting priests in the head with pepper, you know. It's like fucking from a rooftop, yeah. They don't even have the balls to do it face to face. Nutless fucking piece of shit. There's something really wrong with these fucking games. They're up there laughing about shooting a fucking priest in the fucking head. It's like so this is what we're dealing with. So we need to be safe, but we need to be fucking smart, and we need to get really fucking angry and start start fucking them up. Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it it's time to it's time to take off the gloves.
SPEAKER_01:We are, I think because of the way we're wired, um, both you and I uh we get to 11 in a hurry. So we're probably not the best example. There's a lot of retraining that has to go on now, too. You know, people that are are good people and they want good things for other good people, but those people have to get on board. Those people have to do more than, you know, shake their fist in the air. We need more action now. Um it's uh w it seems like we're saying this every day, but it is a critical moment. You know, time is slipping away. Um the longer he's entrenched, the more um, you know, fail-safes he'll be able to put into place to protect him and his and his cronies. Uh and we won't be able to act.
SPEAKER_02:No, I I believe if he I believe if he finishes this four years, we won't get America back. Yeah, we'll it will be over. It will be it at least for a hundred years. I don't think we're gonna come back to the democracy in at least a hundred years. So all of our kids will be fucking dead and go on under this bullshit. Right. You know, be before anything.
SPEAKER_01:And you um you know a Republican uh mega donor has purchased uh voting machines. Yeah, Dominion. Yep, yeah. So it's just a matter of time. Every everything has its price, you know?
SPEAKER_02:It's just isn't that disgusting? Because they had their lawsuit too ready to go. That they won. What the fuck did they fucking get paid? How much is enough? I know that that's the problem. Like, seriously, it's like does nobody has any fucking any kind of morals or integrity. It's like, nope, I can be bought for a certain amount of money and that's it. And and you're right, everyone's got a fucking price. Yeah, great. You are fucking your country, you are fucking everybody in this country for whatever little bit you can get. And you know what I don't get though, is all these fucking guys, like like Trump family, they're trying to get their billions and trying to get as much as they can, right? Because if if it does fall in on them, they'll at least have their money. They could always escape to Argentina, right? But the problem is that the way they're structuring things, our economy will fail. China, Russia, BRICS, the whole thing. They are gonna basically the things are gonna switch. He just eliminated all of our relationships with other countries, all our trading partners. There's no way we can't fail now. Agreed. We will, and so what are they gonna do when the country goes into fucking bankruptcy? I I guess it doesn't matter. It's like Putin, right? Russia's a fucking shithole, people are poor, they're uh, but he's still living it up. So I I think that's all they care about. They're gonna be rich, they can afford everything because nobody can afford anything.
SPEAKER_01:I always wonder who the hell wants to live among the embers?
unknown:Right?
SPEAKER_01:So you're living in this castle on the hill and you're safe from the peasants and the burning forests and you know the pitchforks and all that because what kind of life is that?
SPEAKER_02:You know what? I I can't even I can't even try to get inside the head of somebody like like Elon Musk. I can't even get inside the fucking head, not even remotely. That guy is just beyond me for the amount of money he he has and all the great things he could fucking do, and he just no. So we need to make change. We have to do it now, and we have to do it safe. I think I don't know if this is possible, and this is what keeps me up at night, is I don't think the numbers we have right now, the people out in the streets, are enough to do it. There are still millions and millions of Americans who are sticking their heads up their asses, it's not gonna be that bad, it's gonna be okay, we've been through shit before. People still watching the fucking uh Cuomo show where he's getting both sides on, okay. We still have too many of those fucking people and they're choosing, choosing not to educate themselves about what's coming on because again, it's so fucking horrible. It is, and and I understand that, but we need to get information in front of these people. I don't know how to do it, and again, this is like Hollywood. This would be fucking great if you did something because you've got your podcasters, you've got people doing stuff. We need to get these fucking guys, these uh these podcasters, the the you know, the Joe Rogans, although he he seems like a soloist cunt too. But but we need to get guys like that who've got the ear of young men, and and you know I mean they've got to turn a corner and they've got to fucking take a stand at some point. Because if those guys start saying, okay, this is fucked, now we have a chance. You know what I mean? Yeah, because we we need the numbers. So that's the first thing I think we have to do. We have to get information, truthful, honest information of what's coming, what's been done in front of all these people so they could maybe get a little angry, okay? Because what we have to do, we have to do en masse. Short of aggressive tactics, which I think we need to do, but I I obviously the very first thing we could all do, the easiest thing we could all do is boycott.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:You know, a very calculated, smart, targeted boycott, financial boycott, and I don't mean one fucking day, that's not gonna do shit. I mean we need to like like Italy, Italy shut down their fucking country. We need to shut down this country. No one goes to work for a week, at least. Just stay the fuck home, don't buy shit. Or if you have to buy groceries or something, go to a local fucking store. Do not go to a chain, don't go to a Target, don't go to a jewel. Fuck all the chains. Stay local. That I think is the first step.
SPEAKER_01:Agreed. And there's evidence that it works. You know, this isn't you know hypothetical. You know, Disney was like four billion in um in stock value when people boycotted um Disney and Disney Plus and all that.
SPEAKER_02:See, I don't I now personally. I don't think that had the effect. I know people were saying that it might have, but I was watching the stock and it goes up and it goes down. So yeah, they lose it, but the stock market's a whole nother thing run by all these fucking billionaires anyway. That's true. But I think like a Walmart, right? Walmart, that they're fucking, they're they're fucking licking Trump's dick up nonstop, right? They are definitely in his ear, though. You know, I mean he knows them. If if people don't go to Walmart for a month, they're gonna be saying something to Trump.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_02:You know what I mean? And you don't have to fucking go to Walmart. Yeah, you don't have to go there. You I mean, I know people like shit all over Target because of the whole um DEI thing, but they're nowhere as bad as Walmart to me. Right. Walmart has been for decades, has been just a shithole fucking family with with conservative and Republican issues. So I think we need to really, really target this. And again, it's gonna hurt. It is gonna hurt. We're gonna have to fucking say no vacations. Don't fucking travel anywhere. Can't you got plans? Cancel them for a few months, cancel them for a fucking year, go next year. Right. Because you know what? You're not gonna have a fun fucking country to come back to. So to me, that is the first thing we have to do. We need to get more people involved, and then if if they do nothing else, at least boycott. Right? Well the people like us who are pissed off will go that next step past the boycott. But that I think we have to get everybody into.
SPEAKER_01:Right. I couldn't agree more. And I I know that uh I your point about Target is well taken, but uh, even they've been taking it in the shorts, and their financial losses are significant.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, their stock went down and it has not bounced back up.
SPEAKER_01:It has not. Yeah, no. So you're absolutely right in the stock market. That that's um that's not even the real economy. No, it's not that's not where most of us live. Yeah, um, hopefully that will do well for my 401k in the in the long run, but I don't even manage that. I'm not clever enough to manage that. I know I'm trying to keep the lights on and you know the family fed.
SPEAKER_02:Um yeah, and that's all you can do, honestly. Okay, so if we can do the boycott, I don't know who the fuck's gonna lead this because the people who are leading these protests are great at leading protests, but these are peaceful, loving kind of fucking things, right? Then we we need someone who's a little bit angrier, a little bit more ready to rile shit up, you know. I kind of compare this whole thing as like to the Revolutionary War where the British soldiers were lining up and the American guys were just fucking in the forest, popping at them and running away. Right, you know, that's what we need to do. We need to do safely. First hint of guerrilla warfare. You get that's it. I mean, that's what we have to do. Because I mean, what we've got are all these fucking billionaires now owning everything, and they're all fucking conservative fucking guys. Like, you know, they're gonna buy TikTok, or I think I think they've done it already. Ellison has got a major share in TikTok.
SPEAKER_01:Right, who's a full endorsement, by the way?
SPEAKER_02:Of course, yeah, yeah. So so you could kiss any useful information from TikTok goodbye. Right. We know who the enemy is, we know which billionaires. And I'm sorry, man, I know they got a lot of fucking money, but you cannot convince me these fuckers can't be touched. There is no fucking way you can convince me that that you can't get to these fucking guys if you have to.
SPEAKER_01:So their systems are far more sophisticated than we're aware because that's the world they live in and they're they're prepared to some degree. But that's if I can circle back to one of those points you talked about earlier. Let's there's some really creative, technologically savvy folks out there. Disrupt. I'm not saying you know, set their house on fire. No, I'm saying, you know, maybe you know, shut their lights off for a weekend. Maybe you're yes, just let them know that hey, listen, we're out here and we can get there. Yeah. Um, I don't want to hurt anybody, but you know what? Maybe your Tesla doesn't start for a month because you know, just send a virus to the um to the uh to Tesla factory and you know burn chips or whatever it is. But my point is they just need to know that they are accessible. Yes. And maybe that will they'll allow them to reconsider how untouchable they think they are.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean, I I it would be great if we had another couple thousand Luigi's out there who are willing to kind of go that extra mile, but I don't think that's necessary. Right. I I think if they think there's enough Luigi's out there, things might churn. You know, that that might that might be enough to change. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, agreed. One thing um I'd like to circle back to you mentioned numbers. Um I've been thinking a lot about this lately, and and one story comes to mind very recently. Um this farmer from Nebraska was interviewed. Um, guess what? His uh rural hospital is going to close, Greg. Can you believe that? I'm shocked. Yeah, I mean, nobody knew that was coming. Like we've been saying for the past six months, that you know, 300 rural hospitals are going to close if you pass this horrendous, heinous bill. Uh-huh. So what happened? So the only hospital within like 50, 60 miles of this guy who closed down and he's losing his mind. Well, I didn't vote for this. This is not, you know, this is not what we asked for. No shit, Sherlock. Yeah. But I said so. I started thinking a little bit about these rural communities and not in their best interest. I'm I'm here for their best interest because if our population is hath happy and educated and healthy, we all are, and we all do better. If they don't see things that way, that's okay. So I started thinking about these small communities in these states like Montana and Idaho and the Dakotas and thinking, but you know what, those populations are so small. Some are they have populations less than Los Angeles. What instead of spending, so in the last presidential election,$5.5 billion was spent on the election advertising convention halls, things of that nature. Instead of running our candidate out there and running television commercials, and how how many people is it really influencing? We're all right, we're pretty much died in wool now. Yeah. Um we've all taken sides. Yeah. I think we need to change the dynamic of the population. Instead of spending$2.5 billion on television ads and convention halls, why don't we take a billion dollars and set up a factory in Montana, a data center, a hospital, bring our own people in there. Almost like a Pullman situation. House them and build housing. Let's start our own community. Let's bring 50,000 people to a corner of Montana and start changing the population dynamic. Let's go to the Dakotas, where you know, uh there might be 10 counties, you know, totaling a population of 40,000 people. I'd say I have that many people in my neighborhood I grew up in, you know? Yeah. Um I'd be willing to relocate um for a purpose like that. My kids are older and out of the house now. I think it might be too late for that long game. But I think we need to start thinking about population shifting, about investing in our own community, if you will, that's sort of mobile. Let's pick up stakes and move into areas that are underserved and bring things that they need. Bring hospitals, bring services, bring factories, bring them to Montana instead of I don't, you know, Prisker doesn't need another, you know, factory uh you know outside of O'Hare Airport. Right. Let's start moving these people to locations that can actually benefit us. For God's sake, a state like Montana has two senators just like the you know, the state of California.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:California can exist as its own country. It's what the fourth largest economy economy in the world. It sounds crazy, maybe overblown, but I think we need to start looking at these smaller communities that are underserved and let's serve them. Let's show them what progressive thinking can do. Let's bring schools to them. Let's bring free college education to them, let's set up a university in those little communities and offer it to the you know the kids growing up in these, you know, farmland.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I I love that idea. Unfortunately, that's what Biden was doing. He was actually, he put more that infrastructure bill, he did more projects in red states than he did in blue. He was like, fuck this, I'm reaching across the aisle. The red states need this shit. Right. And he did it. And you know who they fucking voted for? Trump. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, I love the idea because you know what? As a liberal snowflake, we want people to do well. We want everyone to do well. We don't give a shit who they love or what the religion is or you know what color they are. We want everybody to have a fucking chance. We want everybody to get habeas corpus. We want everyone to know that you if you get arrested, you know, this is why, okay, you you could we'll see a judge. You don't just fucking disappear. Right or get pulled out of the water. Yeah, but we want you to have healthcare, we want you to have college. Okay, that's crazy. I know fucking hate us liberal snowflakes, you know, that we want everyone to have that, okay? The fact of the matter is that I I agree. I think we should help them out. I think we should fucking like if their hospitals are shut down, we should try and figure out a way of doing that. Unfortunately, we have no funding, and the funding that Congress appropriated for so many of these things, Trump just canceled illegally, mind you, but he just shut all that, especially any Democrats up. But he's fucking his own people. But you're right. I think if we could, and again, this is what we should have done more of during Biden. They they should have they should have gone to these places and said, We're doing this for you, this is blah, blah, blah, blah, right? And I know they tried. I I I will give them credit. They did try, they did a lot of projects, and I st they still got fucked. So either their messaging was so fucking bad or so there were so many issues wrong with the Democrats. Yeah. I absolutely think that is something that we should do. I agree with you completely. Bringing liberals to dark red pockets is probably a great idea. You know what I mean? We're not so scary. It's like every time I've seen Bernie on a YouTube thing where he goes into some deep red state and he has this conversation with people and they're fucking buying his shirt by the end of it. I honestly, I think Bernie's our secret weapon. I want to take Bernie and I want to just send him everywhere. I want to send him to every fucking red state there is, and and whatever capacity we have to help, like you said, like with a hospital. Like whatever resources we still can control, I think we should. Like California, if they've got any extra funds, or Chicago or Illinois, or let's see what we can do. Like send Bernie with a gift basket of a hospital. Yeah. Yeah. Go, Bernie, run, man, and just have a talk and say, hey, what do you got? What do you people need? What's your number one concern? We're going to put resources to that. But I want you people to know the Republicans are taking the shit away. They don't fucking care. You have to understand what they're doing. And we don't want that. We want everyone, you know. I mean, the the messaging has got to get clear. Right. Damn you for trying to be nice and helping people, you know.
SPEAKER_01:And so it's not, it's not purely altruistic. I know my my hope is to shift large quantities of Democrats into these quiet areas and start shifting population ideology.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. In a perfect world, that would be wonderful. And yeah. But honestly, you couldn't fucking pay me to go live in Montana. If you're living in Chicago, I'm like, there's no fucking way. I'm no, no. I hear you. No chance. All right. What else you got? What other brainstorms you got for fixing shit?
SPEAKER_01:Well, I don't know that I have much more than that because what I was hoping is we can start some kind of conversation. Think tank is too big a word, but I want people to start thinking about how to act and not just being upset about what's happening. So maybe you and I can talk offline or even come up with some additional ideas, but I want there to be some type of um some knowledge bank that we can all pour ideas into and tap into as we're searching for some motivation because this isn't working. Whatever we're doing now is not working. I think we're taking steps in that direction. Yep. Um, but now, like you know, you know, we're just a couple of working class dudes. These ideas we're throwing out are just things that pop in our heads because we're trying to shake something out of the tree. Yeah. We need people to start thinking about what can be done, not what's happened already. And I think that's probably the next step.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I did jot down a few ideas before we started because I want to actually throw out a couple ideas. They're just basic ideas that definitely need to go further into depth, and a lot more thought needs to go into them. Okay, so I'm gonna throw out a few things and uh and we'll just go from there. So, first thing we need to do is we need to get those Jewish space lasers to fucking get go get those in the kick in in the high gear. They're being underutilized. Yeah, yeah. So that that's the first thing I want to do. Okay, so real. I think what we need to do first thing is I think we need to abandon traditional media. Somehow we need to message that that is not your friend. They are basically all owned by a handful of uh conservative Republicans, so you are not getting the real news. I have so many conversations with my wife saying, Did you hear about this? No. Did you hear about this? No. And I'm like, for God's sake, that's something I think we need to do. There are media sources out there, there are podcasters, there are uh media sources from other countries that are fantastic, they've been around forever, that are trustworthy. Okay, do some research. You could find them, they're there. So stop watching the same old shit because you're being fed crap.
SPEAKER_01:And if I could actually add to that, because you're absolutely right. And it took me a while too uh to get my head around this idea, but just because somebody is a podcaster does not mean they are not a wealth of knowledge and experience. Absolutely, especially now that legacy media has basically, you know, wiped the slate clean, have laid off people by the I don't think thousands is saying it is out of proportion. I think you know, when Bezil said, you know, when you have two or three of the wealthiest men on the planet own all the newspapers and social media outlets, yeah, this is the last bastion for information. So uh for my own purposes, I need to remind myself that podcasting is news. These guys, these are guys that have been in the trenches, um, tons of experience. Yeah. Um, this is just a new way to get information out there, and they've been silenced or they've lost their jobs in legacy media because it's been taken over by billionaires.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah, and there's there's people who aren't even political doing like there's Professor G, who I fucking love. He's got a podcast. A lot of it is financial stuff, but he he's gone on so many different talk shows and things, and he and he's he's the guy who's talked about like young men kind of lost their way. Okay, but he's a fucking multimillionaire. But he's he's like, this is fucked. Yeah, on every level is this fucked. So I mean, so there's people who are non-political who are still calling this shit out. Okay, so yeah, there are so many resources out there. Stop watching the same fucking shit. Okay, that's the first thing you gotta do. Next thing then we have to do is we need to create new social media. I again, I don't have the fucking money or the wherewithal or the brains for something like that, but they're out there. You know, I mean, because here's the thing TikTok will be dead, Facebook is owned by a cunt, uh, Instagram, same cunt. You know, it's like all these things are are gonna be fucking useless very soon. Right. So we need something new. Now, I I know there's stuff out there, but I don't think it's being resourced really well. There's gotta be billionaires out there who can fund something new. When we do the uh when we do the boycott, I think a boycott of social media from all these fucking sources for like a week. Just shut the shit off for a week, man. You're you'll be fine not watching anything for a week, okay?
SPEAKER_01:And that data is instantaneous. They could they can find out, you know, three seconds after the podcast is over, um, you know, how well it did.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. They'll see that right away.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So so there are sources. So turn off the regular shit, okay? We gotta abandon the old shit. It's just not serving us anymore. And then what we also need is we need more uh information. Now that Trump has shut down jobs reports and all that shit, we need, like you were saying earlier, there's some people out there, tech tech wizards, who can find all this information. We need to start documenting all the fucking farms that are lost, all the communities that have been crushed, yes, all the fucking projects that got canceled, the people were relying on, all the fucking hospitals you're talking about that got shut down. Yes. How many people died because of it? How many people couldn't get health uh services because of that? Right. I want to find out how many vets were left to die because of the services being shut down for them. Now that Snap is gonna be over November 1st. I want to see how many kids are fucking starving due to that. I want the numbers for how many people died from USAID being fucking uh globally. 35 billion was that fucking budget and 40 billion we've given Argentina. Right. So for that fucking money, seriously, it it it it boggles the fucking mind. And are are these fucking Republicans okay with this shit? Are they just uninformed or are they just are they really fucking okay with this shit? I don't I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:They have to be okay with it because billions of dollars worth of food to be distributed by USAID sat and rotted. Yeah. It wasn't even distributed. This wasn't even something that had to be harvested. It was ready to go.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. It's just fucking disgusting. So that's a couple more things. And then I think I think we have to come together. I don't know who's going to put it together. I don't know who's got the wherewithal, the resources, the money, the backing to create, like you said, a network uh information center. And it it's got to be kind of secretive because we can't have everybody knowing what's coming. You know what I mean? Or or you know what? I guess we could. If if we honestly could get if we could get 100 million people to do this all at the same time, yeah, it doesn't matter if they know it's coming, because if you shut down everything, that's gonna have an impact.
SPEAKER_01:But then if we you know if we had a hundred million people that were that invested in this process, we we wouldn't have this problem. We still have right, you know. How many eligible voters did not vote the last time around? This this is all infinitely avoidable.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Oh, yeah, this whole thing could have been avoided. Yeah, and but now we're here, yeah. And now we are in dire straits. I mean, I again I firmly believe if he finishes his term. I mean, I'm I'm really hoping every day that he fucking has a clutcher. I'm hoping he jokes chokes to death on a big map or Mac or something and he falls down a flight of stairs. I I just hope that he rots from the inside out just naturally. Yes, just naturally rots and dies.
SPEAKER_01:Don't push anything.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, let it take some time. That would be great. Uh otherwise, I don't think we're gonna get saved in unless natural catastrophes, something happens where it's very you know, or measles comes back and wipes out a huge population. Something's gotta happen like that. Otherwise, we're fucked.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think we're going to find out a lot during the midterms. Um that's it. We're absolutely terrified of what's gonna happen. We know his um propensity to, you know, he keeps dancing around the insurrection, uh invoking the insurrection act. Yeah. Uh Stephen Miller mentioned that comment and then froze on the news when he realized he said plenary power out loud. Yep. Um if we make it to the midterms, that's gonna tell us everything. I hope we have elections next year.
SPEAKER_02:If we can do any of these things that we're talking about, if we can start implementing things today, then by the midterms, even if they shut them down, even if they do what at their best, if we have the hundred million people like going, okay, I've had enough of this shit. If we have the Republicans who I didn't know I wasn't voting for this shit, you know, if if we have them angry enough to go fuck you, right, then no matter what they fucking try and do, we could stop that shit. Yeah. You know, there there's there's a there's a set reset button if enough of us get involved. But again, we are a lazy, ignorant fucking group of people in this country. We've had it too good for too fucking long. We've all been, well, I shouldn't say we all, a lot of us have been blessed with great lives, easy lives. You know, it's been a great country to live in. It's time to start fighting for it.
SPEAKER_01:It's wild that we've spent the last 10 years of our lives, we don't functionally 25, 20 to 25% of our lives fighting fascism. Yes. Isn't it insane to think that? Yeah. This all started when he came down the golden escalator.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's it's it's absurd. And and I I feel sorry for my children. I feel sorry for your children. It's like that this is their fucking reality, and it's gonna be. If we don't fucking take care of this now, right, this will be the reality for their entire fucking life. Yeah. So all right, you got anything, any words of wisdom before we cut out?
SPEAKER_01:No, I just implore anybody out there listening. Um, if you have the skills, um, we need to start talking about what we can do, not what has happened already. Um, it's we have to act now. Uh it can't, it has to be more than talk at this point. Um, and it has to be measurable action. Um marching is great, protests are great. There's that solidarity that's really, really important. And we all we all can draw from that, and it's nice to know that we have each other out there. However, those aren't the people that we're fighting against. All of us have to band together and and fight what's keeping us down. Please, please get active, get involved, start doing things, don't just talk about things.
SPEAKER_02:All right, I couldn't say the better. All right, on that note, we're gonna call it. Uh, hope you all had a great listen. And please share this with anybody. If you know somebody who wants to get riled up or is interested at all in you know, some ideas, or please respond back if you have some ideas or you know resources that we would love to uh to hear out. Uh so that's it for now. John, thanks so much. Thanks for having me. Uh, this has been this fucking country, and we'll see you in the next episode.