Behind Enemy Lines: Jim from Philly!

Lee and Josh are joined by Jim from Philly to talk all things Eagles and NFC East this off-season, as well as some predictions for the upcoming year.

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How would you describe the culture surrounding this football team? You know, the culture is actually damn good. Daniel looking, moving to his left under pressure, stays on his feet. Uh, now he falls the end zone. It is caught for a touchdown by.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 0:29

Welcome to the Hail on three podcast. My name is Josh and I'm joined for the first time in a while by Lee over in Chicago. And we also have a surprise this fine Sunday, but I will let Lee reveal and introduce that. First off Lee, an early start for you this morning.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 0:44

Hello sports fans. Yeah, very early start for me today, Josh. Being up before 6:00 AM on a Sunday sports related, as you know, as our fine football team, had their home opener and done pretty well in the end with a, with a draw, so, we'll, we'll, we'll take that I think. But now ready to shift gears and talk the other football as we get ever closer to the NFL season. And I do have, or we do have, should I say a nice surprise today as we are as stated earlier in the summer, trying to get some NFC east input from our divisional rivals. So I'm pleased to, to welcome on a longtime friend of mine for over 10 years now from when I first moved to the US actually. without further ado, we have from Philadelphia. Jim, how's it going, Jim?

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:32

Good. Good. What's up guys? Great to to catch up with you again. It's been a little while and thanks so much for the invite to be on the podcast. You know, especially speaking here from the epicenter of championship football in Philadelphia.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:45

It starts already. Here we go.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:46

Yeah, it begins. No yes. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's funny, you know, Lee, you and I, I think our friendship was galvanized because of, you know, the company that we worked with. We were the only two people that liked talking football in the whole company. So, you know, became fast friends that way. And and now I'm really excited that we get to catch up in Madrid later this year for that commander's game too. So that'll be a lot of fun seeing you guys there.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 2:09

Yeah, I, that was I was pleased to hear that you're gonna, you're gonna be making the journey, journey over. I'm, I'm assuming you're gonna turn up in your Dan Marino jersey or something with the.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 2:19

I

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 2:19

an Eagles cap on. But yeah, I know you love you love that part of Europe, so I guess the NFL just enticed you over there in general. Hey,

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 2:27

just, Europe in general, like, I'm mean, I, I love it. So when they announced all these extra games, I just went through a bunch of different flights to see, you know, whether it was I was gonna go to the, you know, UK or Germany, you know, the Eagles aren't playing any of them, so, it didn't really matter the game. Madrid just seemed to work best. And I do like the commanders. I think that'll be a really good, fun game. So, and then when you guys, when when I knew that you were gonna be there, it was a no brainer. So, and I've got a buddy here who I've been friends with forever, so he's coming over there with me to watch the game too, so that should be fun.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 2:56

excellent. It'll be good to, to catch up in person, no doubt.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 3:00

Mm-hmm.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 3:01

yeah, that would be good.'cause obviously Josh, you've, you've met Jim from, from way back on your, your visits to the states as well, so that's very, very true about the company we worked for back in the day, it wasn't much of a sports company, say. Even though we were divisional rivals, our friendship was, it was pretty, pretty quick to talk sports over, over happy hours, et cetera. I remember when I did turn up in the states, I think Washington, where the nfcs champions coming off the back of RG three, and then I think the Eagles had just moved on from Andy Reed. then, what are we now about 14 years. And unfortunately two Super Bowl rings later for Philadelphia. But at least was it in the back, in the conversation now?

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 3:42

Yeah, absolutely. I did not know, Jim, that you were coming to Madrid if I, if I must have missed this news. This is, this is wonderful news. I had no idea. So we can we can continue our, our, I remember our rooftop happy hour drinks, chat and introduction when we met each other and having a good chat about NFL and college football as well. So That'd be great. I'm very excited that you're coming.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 4:01

Yeah. And your dad too, right? Isn't your dad coming

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 4:03

He is. Yeah, he is. And a few more friends from London as well. Actually we're just gonna be missing a Jo Cowboys fan'cause we've got a Giants fan. Jake a good friend of ours, he's coming as well, so it's almost lucky we could do a round table NF the east thing if we could get a Cowboys fan. But maybe, maybe we'll just leave that actually we'll stick to what we've got.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 4:19

for that.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 4:19

Yeah.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 4:19

Yeah. Oh, that's great. No, that'll be, that'll be a great time. And I mean, you know, I've met your dad I think once or twice too, over here in the States, and I love talking football with him too, so that, that's gonna be a, a, a really good time out there.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 4:30

Yeah, absolutely. So I guess we, we'll, we'll do a bit of a focus as we said on, on Philadelphia this episode. Talk about the Eagles we were chatting before we went live. We won't talk too much about the championship season last year, but obviously it's, it's gonna, it's gonna come up. And, and that's fine. I'm sure our listenership will, will just about be able to put up with it. But wanted to, to kick off actually with your thoughts, Jim, on the Eagles off season. Let's start there. The draft and, and how this summer has gone. Just general thoughts on anything you wanted to kind of cover.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 4:59

Sure. Yeah. So I mean, I, yeah, I mean obviously it a fantastic season last year they were riding high on that. Every season there's overturn you know, we lost some key players like Josh Sweat on the defensive line, Milton Williams Beckton Wright Guard, who was like a real reclamation project out of you know, when we got him in from New York from the Jets and wound up playing, took fantastically. And then, you know, he, he was off greener pastures to cash in on that success. So like every year there's turnover. I think a lot of the core of the Eagles is still intact. It's a very, very young team. And, you know, they've done a complete 180 as of a couple years ago in their draft philosophy and it's really paid dividends and they seem to be hitting a lot more on their draft picks. And, you know, so, I'm excited about the, the, their, a number of their draft picks that they brought in this year. I think that a lot of them have a chance to really kind of make an impact early. Although I feel this way every year, so I might have to tamp down the excitement on that a little bit and, and, and let reality kick in that some of these guys, you know, no matter how talented they were in college, it takes a little bit of time to get up to speed with the NFL you know, learning the more complex playbooks and playing against higher caliber players. So, but yeah, so I mean, their off season moves I've been pretty happy with. It's, it's crazy as an Eagles fan, because of the way the team is constructed right now is very, very different from the way it has been in the past. I don't think it's a coincidence that that's led to a lot of their success. But, you know, the fact that the linebacker core is now one of, if not the biggest strength of the team is insane if you've been following the Eagles for any stretch of time.'cause they've always devalued it. bringing in, you know, late round players from small schools who did not pan out very well. Now we have Zach Bond who turned into like this incredible All-Pro caliber linebacker overnight here. They used a first round pick on Jihad Campbell outta Alabama. Jeremiah Trotter Jr. Which has you know, his father played here, but he played at Clemson and has really good vision. If he, what he lacks in athleticism, he has really good vision. Seems to always be in the right place. They drafted a new kid, smile m who I love outta Georgia, who might be a little bit more of a role player early on, but has a, a real chance to start in the future. And then, you know, so the linebacker core being very good, and then also the secondary, you know, historically speaking, the eagles usually have been, you know, offensive line, defensive line focused, and on the defense side of the li defensive side of the ball, their corners have usually been, maybe they have one good corner and the rest of the secondary is a little shaky. And their linebackers have always been a weakness. And now the linebackers are a strength. They've got Quinan Mitchell on the outside who is a very, very good lockdown corner, real promising future Cooper, deje Lee, I know you're a big fan of outta Iowa, and he has, he has delivered on, on a lot of his potential already and year one, and they can move him around, you know, slot corner, outside corner, and he has safety experience as well. do have some shakiness on another outside corner position, but by and large, you know, the secondary and the linebacker court, you know, being much more talented than they have in the past I think is, is a huge boon to their success and it's gonna help carry them. I do think they're probably gonna come off to a little bit of a slow start, like they usually do. I mean, they're, some of their new players on offensive line and defensive line I think are gonna take a little bit of time before they really, you know, their impact is felt on the team. So I could see them having a sluggish first three or four games, but they're, you know, it's a pretty well built team. They're a young team. They've got a, an elite level of talent at a number of positions. And the most important position on the field at quarterback I absolutely adore Dylan Hertz. I loved him at Alabama. I loved him at Oklahoma. And I was one of the few people in all of Philadelphia that was excited when we got him in the second round for very different reasons. I didn't think it was all gonna shake out the way it did, but his mindset and his work ethic are things that, you know, you just can't measure. P fff doesn't measure this stuff, so, but it, it really kind of trickles through the rest of the team. he's almost kind of like secondary coach, you know, behind Sirianni. So I think they have a, you know, they're positioned to have another deep playoff run. They could be really, really solid again on both sides of the field. But you know, that that's what makes football so interesting is that anything can happen. You know, I mean, even in preseason landed Dickerson, you know, their pro bowl, left guard got injured with a meniscus injury that could cascade problems on the offensive line, depending on how long it takes him to recover. And, and how well some of these rookies that they're looking to plug in, you know, you know, to cover the loss of Mackay Becton and possibly Dickerson. you know, any of this can go wrong and can go sideways, you know, so that's what kind of makes it interesting. But but on paper they look like a very good team and that they should have a, a similar level of success deep in the playoffs, I would think.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 9:51

I think that's a, a great kinda overall of, of where the team's at. There's a couple of elements of that I want to kind of quiz you on. I guess,

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 10:00

Mm-hmm.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 10:01

for me, I, I'll go back to the, the Jayden Hertz pick.'Cause obviously Wentz was locked in on a, on a massive deal at the time, and I

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 10:09

Yeah.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 10:10

Mood in Philadelphia is why are we wasting a, a second round pick on a, on a quarterback? And I think, remember there was a quote from, from Howie about being a quarterback factory or something

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 10:20

Yes. Yeah.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 10:21

everyone was really, really questioning it because at the time the Eagles, after they won their first Super Bowl in what, 2017 or so,

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 10:28

Yep.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 10:29

were a good team for the years after, I think they made the playoffs. But then a lot of those older players, I think they, they paid quite, quite well after that. First championship.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 10:37

Mm-hmm.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 10:37

that team was kind of in a bit of a, a reboot mo bit, sorry, a reboot kind of mode. And when went, had that massive down year in the COVID season, and obviously they had the contract to try and get rid of, they managed to do that. But Hertz, when he came in, I remember the, the game when we were terrible NF CES game when we were trying to win the division at seven and nine, and they actually had to pull Hertz out the game because you were accidentally gonna gonna beat us to win that, to win that game. And I remember even in that game in 2020 January 21, I guess it would've been, Hertz looked good already. And I, I was a bit worried at that point as a, as a Washington fan, that he was gonna just naturally take over Wentz if they could get rid of that contract. And it kind of happened. And then I think Hertz does have some mixed feelings like around the league in terms of just his week to week play. But man, when. When it comes to crunch time, he, he delivers, and, you know, he is one of those players. To me that just seems to play best in the biggest moments, like both Super Bowls, et cetera, like in the postseason and yeah, I mean, what, what a pick that turned out to be for, from Philly.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 11:47

Yeah. I mean, I don't think this was part of the plan, right. But you know, for things to shake out the way they did. But the reason I loved it, and this is another, you know, probably a problem of, of fans in the Northeast especially, but in Philadelphia, like most Eagles fans, it seems to be, are not big college football fans. There aren't any big college programs in the Northeast. So football to Philadelphia is the NFL. So they don't really watch a whole lot of college football as much, you know. And so, you know, to them, you know, to a lot of fans seeing this, it was just, okay, why are we getting a quarterback? But reason I liked it, of course, I'm an Alabama fan, so I watched him a lot and, you know, watching him. The way that he played, he played very well. He could run the ball. He could throw the ball. But also what I was most impressed with and why I thought it was a good pick was because he got beat out by Tua. Right. And, and, you know, took that with Grace and worked harder at it. And then when he had to step in again after Tua, his injury came in, I think it was, I think it was the SEC championship game. He just came in and won. you know, he didn't just immediately cause issues outside of, of football. He wasn't, you know, publicly criticizing the coach or, or Saban or the, or, you know, the fact that he was benched, he didn't immediately transfer out. He finished out the season, then he transferred over to Oklahoma. Something I love about him too, you know, like the way that he conducts himself. You know, just a little vignette about when he went to Oklahoma. Everybody knows how much he can squat, right? But, you know, one of the reasons that he, you know, when he got over to Oklahoma, he didn't know any of these guys. And he's like, you know, I have him stepping into the locker room. They know who I am at Alabama, but none of them really know who I am and I don't know who they are, and I have to step in and lead this team now. And so he, you know, one of the ways that he did that was to try to impress them with what he could do in the weight room and it works. You know, like, so that type of just showing, you know, being the first one in the building, last one to leave all those cliches, like they're all there. But also just having kind of that foresight of like, okay, I got a short period of time. How do I win over this team? How can I impress them and show that I am the guy now? You know, that's just one little way that he can do it. He looks at the tools that he has and he utilizes them. And that was what I, why I liked the pick when he came to Philly was, know, was on 2017. Wence was on his MVP run. I mean, it's not like he was a bad quarterback. But he was, he was getting injured left and right and these were major injuries, right? So everybody knows that Cinderella's story with Nick Foles, right? But he was having a great year, then he got injured and was out, then he was injured again. The la that next year, his mobility was impacted. So he was stacking up a bunch of injuries and I thought that, you know, Jalen Hertz was a perfect fit because one, you know, first off, when you're just plugged into an offense and you're sitting as a backup, the ability to run and your mobility helps you quite a bit. You know,'cause you don't, you don't have a lot of reps with the ones and get a lot of the AJ Brown or the Devonte Smith playing time when you're in like a backup. so your ability to run helps you, you know, if you're just plugged in to win two or three games.'cause the starting quarterback's out. So he had that, his demeanor of just being able to step in. I mean, it was instantly known that when he, I mean he took over practice. He just has this cool, that Wet Carson went, certainly did not have that people in the, in the building and people on the team just gravitated towards him. And then also just the way that he handled Alabama, right? Like, so he was benched for Tua and he handled it with Grace and just worked hard and his work ethic, you know, so projecting that to, okay, if, you know, I didn't expect it. Wence was just gonna absolutely plummet and then we were gonna have to shed a hundred million dollar contract and that Hertz would go on to become this face of the franchise. But at the time it seemed like a really good pick because, you know, you just had an MVP quarterback go down and the backup quarterback win the Super Bowl. So, you know, Lee, you and I used to talk about this all the time, I feel like that one of the biggest glaring issues with the NFL is that they don't value backup quarterbacks nearly enough, right? They, it's, you put, pour all of your money and all of your effort into QB one, and then when something happens, inevitably, like every quarterback gets injured for some stretch. Almost every year it's, you just write off two or three or four games or sometimes the season because the drop off between QB one and QB two is so massive. And. You know, bringing in a guy like her, it's kind of made that you know, I thought it made a lot of sense and, you know, everyone was up, up in arms that we didn't draft Kyle Hamilton, which who was a terrific safety and would've been great, but like, look at the difference between the impact the safety has on a team versus a quarterback.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 16:18

Yeah, spot on. It's that it's the old at the time, Redskin's, gm, Charlie, Cass Quoter, the most important player is the callback, and the second most important player is the backup callback. And the third most important player is the third string. You know, and there's, there's, there's the truth to that, but you're right, that isn't valued across the league, generally speaking. I mean, I remember Hertz at Alabama in college and thinking, you know, prior to the transfer that he was, it was probably questionable whether he'd be an NFL prospect at that time. Is, is that, is that how you remember, or did you consider him in that sort of final season before you did transfer to be a likely draft pick?

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 16:53

Oh, no, I thought he was gonna be drafted. I mean, and then I was an Alabama and a Hertz fan, so I probably overvalued him. Because of my bias

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 17:01

Mm-hmm.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 17:01

you know, which always happens. It's one, one reason why I'm like, so 50 50 on my hit or miss on like projecting college players into the NFL.'cause I'll watch'em in college and like them and then all of

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 17:11

Yeah. Yeah,

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 17:12

they're gonna be great in the NFL. Like, I dunno if you guys remember Jack Guy, polite, but he was this Florida Edge rusher who I absolutely love. He dominated a college. And I was like, he's gonna be an all pro. And, and then he was on like four teams in three years and outta the league immediately. Like, so he, so it

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 17:28

yeah, yeah. Yeah.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 17:28

always track that way, but but no, I mean, he was, he, you know, he, he had a lot of success at Alabama and then when he went to Oklahoma, he was a Heisman, you know, runner up. So I, I could see him being an NFL player. I did not expect him to just, have the success that he has. I thought maybe, comp maybe this year would be like Jalen Millrose. Like he had a lot of the tools but was a little bit raw and I couldn't see him starting right away. But he had all the tools to be able to be. Successful Millrose is still a bit of a question mark as to if he follows a similar path, but same thing like, you know, has a lot of, a lot to look at, a lot of raw talent in college. That, and if he goes to the right NFL team, which I think he went to Seattle you know, if, if like so many of these players when they come out, if they go to the right team and they're with the right players and in the right scheme and with the right coaches, then you know, that can really make or break your career and you know, so there's a lot of luck that goes into this as well. And it just, coming to, to Philly, he lucked out. Like he very easily could have been a perennial backup had he gone to a different team and didn't get enough playing time. But it just worked out.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 18:34

think it's the situation and timing with, as with a lot of things in life is, is

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 18:39

Hm.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 18:39

and it, when you talk about the scheme and the fit. I was gonna gonna ask much of, kind of the secret sauce was the off season last year in terms of, you know, getting Fangio in and just the, the draft in terms of the secondary'cause I remember when Tampa dumped the Eagles out of the playoffs the year before. The secondary was a

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 18:58

Mm-hmm.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 18:58

Something weird

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 18:59

Yeah,

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 19:00

going on at the end of that season. And then just kind of. had that elite level upfront. So to just build that in one draft and then get the coordinator in it all just seemed to, unfortunately for us and other NF Cs, teams, it just seemed to completely fit immediately. Would that be fair to say in terms of the defensive side?

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 19:21

a hundred percent, yes. I mean, you know, they had that colossal collapse their, their record what, two years ago? The record was excellent, but I mean, they didn't really earn a lot of those wins. And then they had, they lost six outta the last seven down that stretch. And that was by and large'cause of the defense and. know, Howie Roseman, the GM has like just gotten so much better at assessing draft picks. And, you know, instead of, he used to kind of like overthink things and try to find these like diamonds in the rough outta TCU or, you know, and then eventually he was like, I just have to go to the best teams and get the best players, right? Like, Georgia keeps winning championships, I'll get a bunch of players out of Georgia. Before that it was Alabama. I have to start focusing now on Alabama, you know, and in doing that it had a success. Now I say that all knowing that the first round pick Quin Yon Mitchell, I think you played at Toledo, right? Which isn't really any kind of powerhouse school. So they still are looking at the attributes of the player themselves, but is some luck in that, you know, I mean, their, their secondary has historically been very shaky. You know, even bringing in slay kind of stable, it a little bit. But, if they didn't draft and they weren't able to replenish with guys like Cooper Deje and Quinan Mitchell, you know, that tends, you know, there's like a rubber band effect between the defensive line and the secondary. If the defensive line doesn't get enough pressure, then it puts a lot of strain on that secondary, and you have to lock down your, you know, the wide receivers for longer, which makes it a much more difficult task. But vice versa. Also, if, you know, if you, if your corners are playing 10 yards off cushion on every single play, or because they can't run, you know, step for step with the, you know, maybe like on go routes or they're not like talented enough or they don't have like the quick twitch enough, you know the quick game will kill you and the defensive line doesn't get enough time to actually generate pressure. So you have to have a certain level of talent at both of those. And then. I think that it makes a defensive line that is good, much, much better because, you know, if Quinan can match up with one of the better receivers and kind of lock that down and ber de Jean is playing really well, like when you saw him just plant Derrick Henry in the flat, which does not happen very often or, you know, take down with an ankle tackle Jamar chase, you know, on an orbit route early on in the season. Like if you, when you're able, when your secondary is able to do these things, it gives an extra second, an extra step or two for that defensive line to generate pressure and vice versa. When, you know, when you're generating pressure, it gives your corners a little bit more freedom to be able to play aggressively and kind of try to step in and, you know, get those turnover. So, when you're playing at one, there's a deficiency in one of those phases, then, you know, the overall defense is a little bit more, you know, it, it can be exposed much more easily. again, a lot of this is just perfect storm. Howie hitting on a lot of these young draft picks. And in the secondary, you know, the philosophy has always been build in the trenches and I think they do that very well and they're very good at identifying talent there. And then they get the luck of people like Jalen Carter dropping to them, so that that isn't anything that he did. It is just this player dropped luckily to us. Same thing with Cooper Deje, like just the way that it shook out. And even Jihad Campbell, like, know how he was trying to get him move up into like 10 or 15, I think, and then, you know, he wasn't able to, no one was gonna trade with him, so he kind of fell in their laps this year as well. So there's some luck there. You bring in Vic Fangio, who in Miami, like nobody liked him, but you know that, that chemistry in the gel something that you can't really be quantified. He was the right fit for the talent here. One thing I absolutely love about Fangio is like how, you know, he just plays whoever. He doesn't care where they were drafted. He plays whoever he thinks is gonna be the best fit at that time Kuber de Jean lost some of the off season. I think he was recovering from an injury, you know, and obviously they didn't have great corners. They needed him out there, but he wasn't ready. So the first couple weeks of the season they kept him on the bench. The same might be the case for Jihad Campbell, first round linebacker freak athlete, right? They could use him both in coverage in the middle of the field and also as a rusher. but my guess is if he's not a hundred percent, if he doesn't have the playbook down perfect and, and if his shoulder is still recovering a little bit, I could see Fangio sitting him and, and letting you know, someone like Trotter Jr. Step in the field because he's got a little bit more experience with the team. So, so Fangio is very good. Not just schematically, but also utilizing the personnel. But schematically as well. I like a lot what he does. You know, I'm not an expert on the Xs and O's, but you know, this kind of. It's not all that unique. A lot of defenses do this, but you know, most of the defense, the base defense is kind of nickel or like shows a two deep shell as a pre-snap, right? So everything almost, you know, pre-snap almost looks like they're in cover two. and then so that, you know, these players can play downhill and adjust post to maybe cover one or quarters or whatever it is. So,

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 24:25

Yeah, I just didn't, whenever, I mean, I remember the, the, the first game at the link last year and it just looked like the Eagles defense keeps everything in front of them and then

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 24:35

yes.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 24:36

to the ball. Which even in the NFC championship, painful game, it was like even the times we did get the ball out quick then just there's a rally there and they're forcing fumbles and it was definitely the hardest defense Daniel's had to deal with all year. No doubt about it. Josh, what did you think in terms of what you saw in terms of the. the free

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 24:57

Yeah.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 24:57

we played with Philadelphia.'cause obviously we had a lot of success at the home game. But that was a bit of a, a strange game given what the offensive side of the ball was for Philly with Hertz going out as well.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 25:08

Yeah. Three. Three, interestingly, three very different games, I guess because of, of, of the the stakes for each game. The time of the season, as you say, hurts going down. Yeah, look, I, I was riding high on the excitement of the potential of a rookie quarterback going to a Super Bowl and, and all of that. But I think in retrospect, knowing what we were gonna face that day defensively with that group and, and I think how, how the styles matched up. Interestingly, we've, we've sort of kingsbury's offense and, and fan geo's way of, of playing on defense. I, I didn't quite know what, what to expect or how that might work out. But I think just the, the level of quality of personnel, like you mentioned of Harry Roseman hitting on. Two, two cornerbacks in the same draft who are both already on the like, top 100 NFL list. Right. This year

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 25:55

Yeah.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 25:55

is just like a remarkable level of, of success. And

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 26:00

It is when it is, when your arrivals give it. Give you one of them, but there you go.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 26:04

yeah. Well, yeah, we've been, we've been through that one, but I it is, it is, this is a perfect time to, to bring it up. I guess when, when you were talking Jim actually about. Defensive line and secondary and those two positions and sort of how, how they, I guess, mesh on the field at the same time and the importance of, of one helping out the other and giving you a bit more time for the past rush and all that kind of thing. It, it just reminded me of how poor that's been in Washington for a long time and how often I've been watching and thinking, you know, the, the, the, the defensive line never seems to have the time to get to the quarterback and it's often because we're never able to keep, keep it in front of us in the secondary or we're not able to run stride for stride and we maybe trying to overcomplicate things a little bit with some of our coverages and we've got guys who aren't used to playing those sorts of complex zones and pass things off and all this kind of stuff. And you just think really stellar guys that can run, that are smart enough to run those defenses and that are physical enough to go against different position groups like Philly seem to have. It's just the way forward and it's obviously working really well.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 27:10

Yeah, I mean, to, to your point and to your point too, Lee, is as far as like, you know, the, the defense is like keeping it in front of them. I mean, that is part of his philosophy that it's, you know, fan's philosophy is, you know, that it is much easier to run downhill than it is to backpedal. So, you know, a lot of that too deep shell is so that they can rally to the belt, you know, rally tackle, keep it in front of'em, and prevent the big plays. This philosophy sounds great, but if you don't have the speed and technique and talent, then it doesn't mean anything. I mean, Jim Schwartz ran a similar type of defense with like sticks defense and prevent defense all the time, but our secondary was trash. So it doesn't matter if you keep the ball in front of you, if you can't, you know, if you don't have good form and tackling, or you're not fast enough to get to them or you take bad angles, right?

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 27:56

Yeah.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 27:56

you know, all of this is so kind of synergistic and has to play in together. Like you have to have the right philosophy. But if you have the right philosophy, but not the right personnel, it doesn't work. If you have elite talent, but you don't have the right type of scheme where you're putting them in the best positions, then it doesn't work. And if you've got really good scheme and really good talent, but there isn't enough chemistry, like there isn't a strong leadership either from the coach or from inside the locker room, then you know. You'll have a certain level of success, but it won't push you where you want to go. So that's the balancing act that every team kind of has to juggle with. And I know that Sirianni is, is well hated in this league, and I can understand why. But having watched enough like hard knocks and seeing the uninspiring guys like Joe Filburn, you know, running teams, I think that the one thing that he does very well that a lot of the national media doesn't see and other fans don't see'cause why would you be watching these, like behind the scenes, you know, you know, cutups of Sirianni talking to the team and, and the philosophies that he's preaching, know, the, the antics Lee, you know, I'm not a fan of that antics of like, you know, mouthing off to the fans or you know, getting cocky when you're up three scores, anything like that, that's low brow. But what I, the value that I think he does bring is that he does kind of create that culture and the chemistry that allows leaders like Herz to really you know, be more effective. he brings out the best in a lot of team, a lot of the players. So it's like a desirable place for them to work, and he gets the buy-in from all the players. So,

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 29:23

Hmm.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 29:24

you know, again, it's a, it's a perfect storm of you have talent, you have the right coaches, you know, right coordinators, right schemes. And then also you have like this, this chemistry. So that's why I do think that they're probably positioned pretty well to be good this year.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 29:38

Mm-hmm.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 29:39

but who knows? I mean, anything can happen. And you know, the NFC East is certainly getting better.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 29:43

Well, what about, that's a good segue'cause talking about one of the things we wanted to ask you is, was maybe one of your biggest concerns heading into the season, but I'll tee you up with one though, I think is, is something I'm interested to hear your thoughts on, which is the departure of Kellen Moore who is offered to New Orleans to be head coach. And I kind of, what, what, what do you think that's gonna do? How's that gonna change things? And do you know much about his replacement?

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 30:07

Yeah, so that I, that's a great question. And that's exactly one of the things, like there's so many variables that go into the success of a football team, you know, and then a lot of fans miss that and they just see like, you know, okay, this quarter we got a new quarterback, everything's gonna be felt great. Or, oh, this, this, this offensive coordinator had the best offense last year and we just brought him in. So that means our offense is gonna be great. A lot of corollary without really truly understanding the cause. and offensive coordinator, I can't pretend like his replacement is Kevin Ullo. I can't pretend like I know a lot about him. You know, his background. I do think is that, you know, it. could certainly play a role in them having a sluggish start offensively. I don't think, you know,'cause a lot of times what happens is happened up with the Eagles and it's like, oh, Frank Reich, and then Frank Reich leaves and they, they struggle a little bit and it's like, oh, see, it was Frank Rech. Frank Rech was the key, you know, and then it was Shane Steichen. And like, I don't know if one individual coordinator or coach has as much impact as, as fans tend to think, you know, there is certainly something to say with having continuity year over year. I remember Peyton Manning talking about this on one of the ca one of the commentaries, one of the games, like him and Eli were talking about how the, one of the hardest things, I mean, especially if you've been in the league and you understand football, you've been playing this your entire life, right? So, cover two was cover two. You know, flatfoot read is a flatfoot read, like the terminology is the same, but when you go from coach to coach, they change the terminology, right? So. I remember Peyton talking about how, you know, like even just an audible to the left, you know, you've been saying the same word, whatever it is, Larry, or something like that, you know, it was an audible switching the right play to the left side. But now a new coach comes in and they install their offense and with it comes all new terminology. And you've been saying the same type of turn terminology over and over, you know, for years. And now you've got it, you know, you know the concept, you know the play and you know what you're supposed to call, but you have to now remember a new word for it. which is already difficult when, you know, when you're looking at like the cadences and the way that, that quarterbacks have to call these plays. So I think that terminology in the playbook is probably, you know, one of the harder things to overcome in a short period of time in an off season. And that's also why probably I'm a little bit less concerned with guys like Jalen Hertz because they put the work in, you know, he lives for the work. Guys like AJ Brown, they live for the work. They like the work and. So if that's the case, then you're not worried. You know, like, I think it was that funny JaMarcus Russell story when he was drafted first overall, and like, they gave him a blank DVD and told him to watch it and like, come, you know, these are all of your favorite, you know, top 10 plays, just pick your favorite. They also put like a hundred dollars bill in the playbook, somewhere in the middle. And they're like, you know, read the playbook, let me know what you think. And, know, he didn't do either. And they're like, yeah, I like all the plays and stuff. So he's the polar opposite of this, right? He, he you know, whether it's Petula or Brian Johnson or anyone else, and I think that he puts the work in to learn the offense. but everybody to a, to a man has to do that. You know, your wide receiver has to be on the same page and know the offense, the new tight ends, like everyone. So, I don't know what Kevin Petula, like, what his kind of, strategy is going to be, you know, compared to Kellen Moore. But even Kellen Moore I thought was, you know, I mean Dallas, like, it was a very running gun. It was very, you know, pass heavy offense. And when he came here it was very different. So I think that the, you know, the, the complexity of, or I'm sorry, the complexity of the team, it's a good coordinator offense or defense, that they kind of have to adjust based on the strength. So, made them good last year was okay, Hertz was struggling for a little bit, but you have this all star running back. So the offense runs through Saquon. I think likely it will follow a similar track this year. But, you know, even getting a little bit more chemistry with guys like Johan Dotson, you know, so, you know, everybody, every Eagles fan has been pushing to have Hertz kind of, you know, distribute the ball a little bit more evenly. And you know, so if he does that, the sky's the limit. But I think the offense will still run when you have a really good offensive line and a terrific running back like sa. The offense is still gonna run through the running back and the run game. So you know how Kevin Petula Petula installs that and you know what style he will kind of, you know, the mark that he's gonna put on on this team is still kind of get to be seen. You don't see any of that in the preseason either. Obviously it's very vanilla play calling, so I'm not entirely sure how that will shake out. But I think they'll probably be okay. And then, you know, just like I'm saying on the defensive side, they've lost some key players. It'll take probably a little bit of time to gel. I think the offense too, know, will probably take a little bit of time. So I would expect the first couple games to be sluggish on both sides.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 34:41

Yeah. I, I agree with a lot of that. I think probably the, the big hope for and I guess the NF NFC in general at this point is, it is very hard for a running back to kind of mirror that, that kind of season. So,

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 34:56

Yeah.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 34:56

is that not a concern? I guess I'll try and phrase this correctly, but with the possibility you know, even if he stays healthy, like it's a pretty impossible I would say to have a back to back season with, with that many yards. And there were times during the regular season at least where Hertz was, you know, in a bit of a funk.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 35:14

Mm-hmm.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 35:15

we had a, a step back year from from SA one, would that be a concern for the offense, do you think?

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 35:21

I don't think so. And I don't think anyone in Philly, especially even the coaches or Seon himself are expecting to kind of try to reproduce. Last year, I think Saquon himself was saying like, no, no, no. I'm not trying to go for 2000 yards. Like it's not gonna be like last year. and I think, you know, I mean the offense was, I mean, even if he's at 70% of what he was last year, he's still gonna be an excellent, you know. Top five back. So, and he, and he's still playing behind a very good offensive line, so I, you know, the threat of him there is going to be enough and they also have weapons on in the passing game. So, I, I'm not as, I'm not really that concerned. I don't think that he has to kind of reproduce that magic year that he had last year for them still to be a juggernaut on offense, because they still have AJ Brown, they still have Devonte Smith and, and Dotson looks very good. And even some of their backend wide receivers, I think can be serviceable. And God guys like Goddard are, you know, dependable. So their offense, by and large, I think is still very good. And if they have to adjust a little bit, because, you know, it's eight man boxes and Saquon, you know, maybe he loses a step. I don't see him really losing a step. But if, if he is, you know, a little bit more banged up because the mileage is taking more of a wear and tear on him. And not that AJ Dillon is gonna step in and all of a sudden be great, but you know, guys like Will Shipley look really promising? And they have, they can, they can kind of modify to a running back by committee and they've upgraded, like I think that Shipley is a better RB two over guys like Kenny Gain, well, who I liked, but you know, so if, if that, if as expected Saquon isn't quite what he was last year, I think that the offense is still going to be fine just because of all the other weapons they have and because of as long as hurt stays on point, which he should, then the, yeah, the offense should still be fine.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 37:08

Awesome. Well bad news if for the rest of

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 37:11

Yeah.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 37:11

but I was trying to have a few crumbs of comfort there after. Looking at what he'd done last year. But yeah, I think there's no doubt that the Eagles will go in, you know, favorites. And it's not one of those Super Bowl teams that is, you know, kind of an aging Super Bowl team. I think they have, unfortunately, the ingredients,

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 37:28

Mm-hmm.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 37:29

to make a good run at it again. I do think it'll be a very competitive division. Before we get onto the, the Commanders and, and how the Eagles are kind of viewing Washington these days and the rivalry what's your take really quickly on the Giants and the Cowboys gym? Because I think there's great unknowns in both franchises, but I also think there's some, some really interesting pieces there. I guess we'll start with New York and if you look at their, their D-line for example, and,

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 37:55

Yeah.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 37:56

they've drafted how do you think New York is gonna fare this season?

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 38:00

Yeah, the I, you're spot on. The defensive line is impressive. that, and that's gonna be a, a real problem. I think a lot of people in Philly are sleeping on New York. Right. But, and I mean, maybe to a degree it's, it's warranted because they're unsettled at quarterback. You know, you're only, you only go as far as your quarterback. I mean, it, like we were talking about before, everything has to play together. You know, defense offense, you've gotta have the right chemistry and the right coaching, but it's down a mile. The most important position is quarterback, and you only go as far as the talent of your quarterback. So, you know, I don't even know how that is shaping out as far as who's gonna be starting. In, in New York. And, you know, so their defense can be very good. You know, they've got really interesting, talented players like Malik Nabors. But, but I don't know how far they're really gonna go. And I, I, you know, just based on what's going on with quarterback, you know, with, you have the vet, you have the rookie. whenever you have, you're not entirely sure going into week one or, I mean, is it really identified? Do they know who's gonna be starting week one?

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 39:03

I believe it'll be Wilson, but I

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 39:06

Yeah.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 39:06

stuff on my, I guess there was a preseason game. I, I barely watch our preseason, let alone other teams. But I did see some Jackson Dart stuff flying around the timeline. So I dunno if he is looked impressive or something for pre-season, but

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 39:18

had a, a, a good game as much as a preseason performance can be considered good with everything said but day came out straight afterwards and said, no, it's still Russell. So.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 39:27

Okay.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 39:27

Okay. Yeah. I, I think that's the worst position that you can ever be in as a team when you have a young rookie and a seasoned vet. Right. Where, and you don't know entirely where you know who's going to play because it's always lose lose, you know, the, the rookie should be out there playing to get reps. Even if you kind of write off that year and you're, you know, you don't get the success that you want, but you should be playing'em to get reps. Although there's also a balancing act with that too, because. If you throw him out too early and he is not ready, then you can, you can break him in the season. Right? But at the same time, you've got Russell Wilson who has a ton of success, I mean an amazing quarterback through his history, but know, he's gonna wanna start, you've got Jackson D and all it takes is mid-season. You know, it's not just the fans. You know, if Russell Wilson's starting and three games into the season, he looks terrible or is just, you know, throwing check downs left and right. Not just the fans, you know, coaches are gonna start wondering, wait, should we be putting in the kid? You know, should the, you know, should the rookie be playing? Should we be getting him reps? You know, and then you also have to factor in that these coaches are playing for their jobs as well. Right. I mean, I would think Brian DaBell is on a bit of a short leash, so what he should be doing, I would think is getting Jackson Dart out there because there's no way Russell Wilson's the future of the franchise. And, but he can't necessarily, because if they go, you know, they cobble together only four or five wins, he's out of a job. So that's why I don't love those types of situations. And that's why, you know, you've been, you know, Washington's been in that enough times also. So the joy of having someone like Jayden Daniels and knowing you just don't have to worry about quarterback, just makes a GM's job a hell of a lot easier because you can now focus on what you need to, and it also makes the coach's job a lot easier. Like, no matter what, if Jay Daniels has a stretch of two or three games where he doesn't play well, one in Washington is gonna be calling for the backup to play. Right. Like, you know, and, and you know, so, so I, that's why I think that that X factor is gonna be a problem for New York until they clearly define who their quarterback

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 41:25

I mean, they, they also strangely signed Jamis Winston on a two year deal. Right. So

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 41:29

yeah.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 41:29

have him in the building, which is the, the, the other possible switch. If things aren't going well with Russell Wilson, IE he's someone that's got, had some, some success in the league that we don't have to turn to the rookie to early. Let's Chuck Jamis in there. But I could, I mean, you, you wouldn't want to predict how many games each of those three guys start this season. Right? Like it could be any number for any of them.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 41:52

exactly. And having him makes it even

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 41:54

Yeah.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 41:55

because Jamis is just talented enough to where he could actually play. I mean, he's got a, you know, he's an interception machine, but like he's talented enough, he could actually be the starter. So any of these guys legitimately actually could run the whole team for the year. But you know what you have in Jamis, you kind of know what you have in Russ at this point in his career. So what if I were building this team, I would be, you're putting Jackson Dart out there, and if he's absolutely lost and can't, you know, can't throw a completion, you give him four or five games and then you throw the season away, you chalk that up for experience and then you see what you have in Jamis. But, having those three guys e you know, James Winston is an, you know, you're throwing a wrench in the spokes of this even further because, you know, you have two starting caliber quarterbacks who are a little bit shaky and have had a lot of, you know, had a rough past couple years. So it, it, I, I don't envy, you know, the, the giants for having to, to you know, play the season and figure out what they're doing on offense.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 42:53

I, I agree with that. I think, look, I think both callbacks and the vets that are there are, are both bridge callbacks at this point. I'm guessing Wilson will will start the season week one in Washington and as when the season is still competitive or, and they've still got a, a chance of, a guest making, you know, making noise in the NFC East, I guess it will be Russell Wilson. I've seen quite a lot of Russell Wilson the last few years. He's

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 43:16

yeah.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 43:17

us a few times. I think he's fading quite fast, to be honest. So I'm expecting to see Jackson Dart on the, on the field this year. I don't, I think the Giants have the potential if they got that late round pick, correct. I mean, he was. In a pretty poor quarterback draft. He wasn't really touted as a top half of the first round talent. So we'll see what happens with that. Hopefully for us it's not gonna be a, a massive success story. Shifting gears then to the ever soap opera team down in Texas. What do you think of Dallas going into this season, Jim?

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 43:52

Yeah. Oh, and by the way, just real quick,'cause I didn't watch too much of the preseason either, but I did just see a clip this morning of Abdul Carter getting annihilated on a block. Did you

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 44:00

I saw that by that Jet's tight end. Yeah.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 44:02

yes. Oh my God. That made my morning, that was

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 44:05

He's he's from, he's from Philly, right? Carter?

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 44:08

yeah.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 44:08

Yeah.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 44:09

played at Penn State.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 44:10

Yeah.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 44:10

I mean, super talented, but, and you know, and that's just one play. But still, you gotta love seeing stuff like that. but as far as Dallas, you know, that's another huge question mark. I mean, nothing I say is gonna be new. Everybody knows the problem with Dallas stems from their owner. And, you know, but I mean, I think the talent on the field is, I don't know what they're doing. I mean, you know, the, going into the season with a contract dispute with your best defensive player on a defense that's already not that great. mean, I mean, I don't know how to handle it because they don't have enough money to go around to all their players, but they're paying all these star players, including guys like Dak might not, don't know if he's worth the paycheck right now. I mean, what do you do with someone like Dak Prescott at this point in, in his career with Dallas? I mean, you have to ride with him this year, obviously, but I mean, I, I'm curious if you guys would, would you consider trading him and starting over knowing like, this is like you, this is what you have in him? He's a very good, regular seasoned quarterback. He can put up a bunch of yards, but. He's just not gonna get you where you need to be.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 45:16

Yeah,

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 45:16

run game is shaky. I mean, I don't know. I don't see them being very good.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 45:21

he, he, so that's a good question about what you could do with him and, and the whole restart thing. But they, they just don't tend to lose enough games to be in a spot where they've got a top whatever draft pick for a quarterback from college. Right. So they're never really, they, I mean, we were a little bit in that position for a while in Washington where we win like seven games a year at least, or, or around the seven, eight mark and not be in the spot to, to, to draft to Jaden Daniels. But so, I dunno, I also dunno what his trade value would be and, and what sort of team would be interested in taking that on at this point in his career. So it'd be a tough sell potentially.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 45:52

Yeah, with, with Dak in the, the one defense I would say of their organization who I think handle these kind of things terribly contractually is his one double digit regular season games a lot in his career. It's hard to kind of just move on from a callback that does, does that, I guess. And then completely flopped, hasn't he? Early in the playoffs each time. I think he's got real talent, but just kind of as that, you know, middle of the range sometimes top end of the starter top end of the league starter to really middle of the range, but then not delivering in the big moments, almost even though a different player kind of in the Kirk Cousins mold where he's an NFL starter, but he's never gonna, he's never gonna win, win it all probably. And now as the years tick on it becomes less and less likely and they've got money tied up on him. I think they'll have to move on at some point. I think it's good for us as fans of their, their rivals that they just haven't. Done that earlier, I think they could have cut, they, you know, it would've been harsh, but after that, that bad injury maybe four, four years ago they've paid him since then, haven't they? And

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 46:51

Yeah.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 46:52

he's, he's got talent, but I think they're in a bit of a mess with him. I'd have to look at his current deal, I guess, to, to make a true comment on that. But I think they're gonna need a new quarterback in the next two years, aren't they? I think two to three years for sure.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 47:06

Yeah, I mean, I think that you, I mean, Josh, you're spot on.'cause they're always in this purgatory. You're right, they win enough games where they're never gonna be like a top five pick. They're not, not gonna get a top five pick, but they're also not winning enough games to do anything in the playoffs. You know, I would think that, I mean, it may be a little bit of a risky move, but what I would probably consider would've been you trade, you, you what do you call it, Micah? You trade Micah Parsons, right? I mean, his value was high. PE teams will pay for him and you could get a reap, you know, you could reap some, you know, high draft picks for him. then, you know, maybe like if you know that you're gonna need a new quarterback in the next two to three years, probably, and you know what you have in dac, if you traded Micah, I mean, I don't know when they probably should have done it in the off season, and I don't know if this is even viable or smart, but because I'm just thinking about this now, but like if you traded Micah, you can get the draft capital, you could target someone like Arch Manning coming out next year and then Dak is still good enough. I mean, if you traded, if you got rid of him during the injury, then you would, you know, you wouldn't have gotten too much around the league still need quarterbacks and lemme know if you plugged him into, in, you know, I don't know Cleveland, you know, he would instantly be the best quarterback they've seen in forever. So there are teams that are quarterback needy teams where you could still get some value out of him. And I feel like the, the, the cowboys just keep doing the same thing over and over and over again and they've settled in the mediocrity and they should probably do some sort of shakeup, I would think. you can't pay everyone. You've got CD lamb. So if they, if they shed Micah Parsons, it's not like he's making a difference on their defense. Their defense is usually not that great. You know, if, if you were able to reap some of that draft capital outta trading Micah Parsons, then maybe you get a little bit extra and, and move on from Dak. You go for a new young rookie quarterback and you try to build, and if, you know, if it sets you back two years, at least you're now set two years from now to be a more, a younger, more solid, cohesive team. I don't know if they would do that, and I don't even know how, how smart that would be, but that's probably something I would consider because otherwise it's, they're just gonna continue doing, you know, eight wins a year.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 49:16

Which, I mean the, the great thing about this conversation is it's all completely academic.'cause they're,'cause they're not gonna think as smartly as even we are on the fly in this, on this podcast. They just won't do that. And the ownership won't, won't consider that sort of move. I don't think so for, for, for our benefit. They're gonna either be a bit more of a mess this year, which is my kind of preseason prediction. Or if they're not, if they kind of carry on with how they've been recently and just maybe sneak in or be in and around that sort of wild card spot, they're not gonna win. Right. They're not gonna win any games in the playoffs.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 49:47

they've just got these talented individuals that would be a top, you know, five in their positions, kind of dotted around various.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 49:54

Hmm

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 49:54

Uh,

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 49:54

Yeah,

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 49:55

roster, but they haven't got a cohesive team, I don't think. I don't think they've got the really elite units. They've just got some top talent. So, famous last wise, but I don't, I'm not massively concerned that they're gonna make a big run at it. This, this

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 50:09

Yep. Yeah.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 50:09

I think the. the flip side though is that they did draft, I think they drafted

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 50:13

Mm-hmm.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 50:13

Like I I, I did not expect them to have the draft that they had, like that first round pick that Alabama offensive line that was not a Jerry Jones like pick to me, like knowing they needed a running back knowing they needed someone across from CD Lamb. Like I thought they would've gone with a flashy wide receiver, like, you know, Matthew Golden or something like that. with offensive line. Okay. That was smart. They got an edge guy who out of Boston College, who's a athletic freak. That was actually pretty smart.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 50:40

is that

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 50:40

They're,

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 50:41

they got, isn't

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 50:41

yeah. Yeah. I, I, I think he's really good.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 50:44

Yeah. Yeah.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 50:46

even they got two running backs in the later rounds, both of which looked like they could be good. So, know, this could all shake out where they, you know, they put together, you know, their draft was pretty solid. They have an injection in young, new talent and, you know, maybe that is enough to kind of write the ship a little bit and allow for the talent of Micah and Dak and CD to really kind of. Shine a little bit more. But if I were put a put money on it, I would say they're probably gonna be a middling team again.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 51:16

Yeah. Makes sense. Okay, cool. Let's let's close out the last bit of the podcast then talking about the commanders. And Jim, it would be good to know kind of how surprised you were or, or not last season by Jaden Daniels, but also by the team, right?'cause four and 13 team to NFC championship. The extent to which that was a surprise for you. And then kind of going into this season as well off the back of that, what, what your I was gonna say hopes then, but it's not hopes, is it what your predictions are for, for Washington this year?

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 51:47

Yeah. You don't want to know my hopes, right? Yeah, no, I mean, last year, I mean, Washington is a perfect example of what we've been saying about, you know, that meteoric rise for Jaden Daniels, the quarterback makes the difference. You know, I mean, you, you've been stuck with guys like trying to sell yourself on guys like Heineke and how, and that's what teams have to do when that's what all you have. But it's just night and day when you have a quarterback that is as talented as Jayden Daniels, and he steps in and plays the way he plays. Now, I, you know, I, in the playoff run normally I'm always like nervous going into every game, especially in the playoffs. And all I see are the negatives. But last year, for whatever reason, I felt like the only team in the playoffs that I was actually concerned about, including the chiefs, I wasn't, I thought we matched up really well with them. Wasn't Washington either? It was actually the Rams. I thought the Rams, I'm, I'm a little bit nervous about them this year too. but for just that reason, I mean, yes, it was, it was this, this wonderful ci Cinderella story where Washington, you know, has a four win season. Now all of a sudden they have their franchise quarterback and they have a deep run into the playoffs. but that also, you know, doesn't usually. Get you to a Super Bowl win in that first year. So, yeah, last year wasn't all that surprising as how it ended. And when you have a really, really good quarterback, though, it also wasn't all that surprising for how well they did. I think that you're, it's a pretty good team. I don't know, I don't know how too much commentary on what I think they're gonna be as, as, as much as I have questions to you guys. My question going in this year, like, and, and I don't follow it as closely, so correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm looking at this from afar, it's odd. Some of the picks and some of the off season moves seem odd to me, but maybe sell me on it and explain it like it's one of the oldest teams in the league that got older with some of the picks. You've got a, a fantastic young quarterback in Jaden Daniels, got a contract dispute with Terry. Even though he's older, he's still like the entire passing offense. isn't what he was a couple years ago. I mean, who else? Noah Brown. Like, so to me. I mean, I think he did the right thing on offensive line. You gotta shore up the offensive line. Brian Robinson, I love him. You know, he's not super flashy, but he gets it done. I think he's a really good back. But I mean, it seemed to me like of odd with some of these older players like Von Miller and Deebo when you know, I, I would've probably targeted young players. And even if it means that you don't make it to the Super Bowl, like I don't think that Washington is in a win now mode, right? Like that's at least how I would look at it. It doesn't seem win now it seems you have a nucleus of a fantastic group of players, including the most important player on the team, and you have that down and you don't have to worry about it. And it's been a long time since you've had that. for me, I would be looking at that's a little bit longer term instead of like bringing in the Von Millers you know, maybe trading out players, getting more draft picks and getting younger, you know, and getting young wide receivers to play, you know, to, to put around Jaden Daniels. But, but I mean, I don't know, like what are your thoughts? Do you think the defense is going to be good? Do you think that there's enough, you know, firepower on offense to continue that, that run that he had last year?

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 55:05

I guess I'll start. I think for Washington, the trouble is the roster turnover since Rivera has been just incredible. Like in terms of just the players in, players out. A lot of these free agent signings are kind of by necessity. I think around the

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 55:20

Yeah.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 55:20

a bit of a narrative that they're kind of going all in and trying to win now with these kind of vets that are past it. But I think some of it is actually just building out the roster, to be honest. Like we've literally had to cut every Rivera pick almost apart from a couple that have. Done. Okay. It's been, you know, so when you draft that badly for a whole regime before it's kind of tough. So I think there's some of that. But yeah, I think they've been semi aggressive because they also just see the absolute talent they have in Daniels and they've kind of been, I guess it'd be like controlled aggression is the way I'd see it. So it's, I think it's hard to completely reboot when you've got one of the best quarterbacks potentially already in the league. I think that's probably where they're kind of sitting on the fence a bit with it, getting some vets in trying to draft. Well now, but I take the point'cause we have given up draft picks for next year as well with some of these players that we've got in. So we'll see how, how this year shapes out. What do you think Josh?

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 56:12

Yeah, I, I, I can, yeah. I see, I can see both sides o of it, I think I'm not too overly too worried about like us being the oldest roster in the league or whatever. I think you can, you can switch that around fairly, fairly quickly, maybe next off season that, that flips a bit. I would say, yeah, to take Jim's point that maybe four or five of the most important players in important leadership type roles are close to retirement. So, you know, Bobby Wagner,

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 56:41

Yeah.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 56:42

guys that were huge parts of our success last year are not gonna be long in the league. So I, I, I see what you mean. I, I'm, I'm interested in some of the, the, the young draft picks this season that I think probably fly under the radar for anyone that isn't, you know, completely hooked into Washington. And I think some of the guys that we, we got maybe in the, the later rounds could, could be, but again, I'm, I'm suffering from that, getting too excited about rookies that have never played NFL Snap. So it's one of those as well. Deebo I think is, is actually a, I, I'm a bit more excited about deebo than. Than most people. I think he, I think you said he is not what he was a couple of years ago, which is possibly true, but it, it might not be depending on kind of health and a new situation. I am hopeful that he can bring something very interesting in that, that style of offense. We have to talk about Terry though and that kind of situation because you're right, I think the past game and then the offense falls off a cliff when Terry's not there. And he's got such a good rapport and understanding of Daniel's already that it is a huge worry. That might be, that the biggest indication that they are looking longer term is not to pay Terry McClure and loads of money now. So that there's an interesting kind of dynamic there. There hasn't been any news in the last couple of weeks since we've, we've been podcasting since he requested a trade. So, oh, actually no, there's, he, he's off the put Listly, right? So he's in theory, he can now train here.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 58:05

he, he's off the. He is off the public. I think one way or another he knows he is gonna be playing football here

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 58:09

Hmm.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 58:09

year'cause he's, he's under contract, but not an ideal offseason story for sure. but yeah, I think Jim, the, the questions you asked does kind of feed into what you hear kind of outside of the DC market about is Washington really doing things correctly this off season? And I would argue though that like getting tonsil was a pretty key trade. We were pretty, you know, Daniel kind of last year had to, had to save himself a couple of times. I think when you've got that star power, like getting tonsil in, I'm fine giving up picks for a, what's considered a very good left tackle and some of the other moves, they're not like major money moves. I think

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 58:47

Mm-hmm.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 58:47

you would question is more like lateral giving up draft capital for him, et cetera. So.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 58:53

Yeah. And. That's a fair point too. So if it is actually part of a long-term plan, you know, bring in a guy like Von Miller, you know, you're not really like breaking the bank, but you do have to fill a linebacker position, right? So maybe like some of these guys are, you know, bigger names than they are, maybe what they, they are today. But you do have to like, fill out a roster and plug them in. I'm curious, so two, two questions that jump out. One is piggyback on your, on on Josh. You're mentioning like some of the later round picks. Who, who are you excited about from the draft? Who, like who are you who do you think will have an immediate impact and who are some of the later round picks? Who you think like you're really impressed with?

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 59:33

Yeah, good question. I'll, I'll, I'll go first with actually a guy that James, our other co-hosts particularly loves, but he's not here so I can steal it. But the running back, so Jako, Croskey Merit, I dunno if you know anything about him. But he, he didn't play football last year because of an eligibility issue and they think they gotta steal in the seventh round. And I mean, it's so hard to watch running back tape from different conferences and levels of college football and really translate it to anything. But I do like what I see there and I think that as a complimentary piece to Brian Robinson could be quite exciting. I know Lee's got a, a wide receiver that he's particularly excited about potentially as well.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:00:14

Who's that?

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:00:15

Oh yeah. I mean we were having a bit of fun with this one really. But yeah, we picked up KO Brooks. He had a really good season at Louisville. Was

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:00:22

Mm-hmm.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:00:22

surprising he wasn't drafted. But his coming in had a pretty good, pretty good camp apparently. Which is, which is good'cause he want to get a bit younger at the receiver position. So I hope he, I hope he makes a roster in terms of our draft there. I think you know, the earlier rounds, like, it's weird because we're not even talking about our first round pick much con Lee.'cause he is, he's so young.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:00:41

Yeah.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:00:42

it's kind of weird to not even talk about him too much. This, this camp. I dunno if he's gonna start potentially on the right side. We'll see. But Amos, I think similarly to how Philly was super excited about their. their linebacker that fell to them late in the first round. Trea Amos falling that late in the second round was a bit of a surprise. So I'm excited about that one. Was there any other others in the later rounds that you particularly highlighted? Josh?

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:01:06

No, I, I think, I think the running.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:01:08

I.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:01:08

Back, but Amos was, was my guy pre-draft. Right. I thought as a kind of corner room that needed a lot of help because of the question marks over AL'S health and, and to be honest, ability at this point, Amos was, was a, was a guy that really fit the bill in terms of his playing style and physicality and stuff. So a and he seems to have been kind of. Just slotted right in into preseason, everyone just saying, yeah, he's exactly what he needs to be at this point, which is great. Conley's an interesting one, Lee. Like yeah, we don't really, we haven't really talked about him enough in a way. I think maybe we should kind of focus in on him a bit, another on another pod, but I think they might be rotating him in and out a little bit like they did last year on, on, on either side of the line. So with, with Andrew Wiley maybe, and having a bit of a you know, gradually letting him kind of wet his his feet in the NFL, but we'll see how that goes. But yeah, I, I, I think, you know, they had a really good hit on Mikey Sam still last year, who's, who's a superb corner and like, I think he might even take a bit of a leap as well this year and be even better. So, I'm kind of, I do still take the point about the age thing, but there's some good, some very good potentially players for a long time that have joined in the last couple of years on drafts. I.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:02:18

Yeah, if you look at the, if you want a unit that you, we think we've massively upgraded, I would look at the cornerback room basically.'cause Sandra still had a great year last year, but you had to play outside. So this year we hope we've got Amos coming in as a starter. Sandra still will move inside, but can obviously go outside if he needs to, and then hopefully later more is healthy on the other side. So potentially if you, I just look at that cornerback room that we went into week one with last year and it's like night and day. So

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:02:45

Yeah.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:02:45

encourages me. I think we've really strength from there. I think we've obviously got on the offensive line by getting tonsil and drafting in the first round. So fingers crossed that there's a couple of bits of the draft that are still gonna come into play and make, make us better for sure.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:03:01

How about, so Kane Medrano doing? Because he was one of two very good UCLA linebackers. The other one got a lot. I think it was, Schweisinger got a lot. I think he was drafted a little bit early, but has he, how's he looked in camp? Is he doing anything?

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:03:18

Yeah, from what I can see, he's flashing the speed that, that we were excited about when, when we picked him up. So, I think the initial thoughts around him are like, he's gonna be a special teamer from day one and then he's gonna maybe slowly introduce him to the defense. I'm, I'm, it's probably too early to, to really tell, but I think a couple of beat reporters have said, yeah, that speed is, is on show already, which is great to see Really?

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:03:42

Yeah, there was definitely some, some positive reviews coming out and I, that kind of physical profile of a player could sometimes turn into like that, you know. Linebacker, stroke, Jeremy Chin type safety as well, I think with like the speed

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:03:56

Mm-hmm.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:03:57

So, yeah, I think that was actually a good one to bring up as a, a later round pick that has some good potential for

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:04:02

He, he had free tackles, free solo tackles in the game against the Pats, and I think Dan Quinn said, you know, like sound fundamentals. And we were pleased with that. So I think he'll probably get a bit of a run out again against the Bengals tomorrow night. Yeah, so we will keep an eye on that one.'cause when I, when I saw his like, Raz score, that relative athletic score, I was pretty excited'cause it was off the charts.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:04:26

And then, all right, so I have another question too. What are your concerns for like the second year, the sophomore slump for Jayden Daniels? Right. So like, so the talent is obviously there, but I mean, you see it with guys like CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson, all these guys that come in and have like, you know, phenomenal rookie years. your concern level on that? And if you're not concerned, like what kind of gives you some, some comfort knowing that it won't be you know, that you won't see much of a slump in year two?

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:04:56

I'll, I'll go first quickly, Lee. I mean, I, I think. I'm, I'm not concerned about Jaden himself and a slump in his play.'cause I think his attitude and his approach to the game is, is perfect for continuation of that level. I'm more concerned about the schedule and the difficulty of the teams and quarterbacks that will face, and therefore the record may be being, you know, those games overall being more of an issue rather than, you know, Jaden himself. So, I, I'm, I'm confident in Jaden Daniels not having his own personal slump in play. But I do think that, you know, the, the, the schedule's tougher and I'm, I'm less bullish than I was at the start of this off season in terms of how, you know, the win-loss record might be, but I dunno. What about you, Lou?

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:05:45

Now I actually echo that. I do, I do think it's it's almost easy to predict a massive kind of second year slump because you have seen it across the league. I think for Washington fans that literally watched every snap of Jaden Daniels last year, I think there's just. We're just confident that we've got the guy and I just, necessarily think that teams are just gonna be able to work him out a second year. I think a lot of the stuff he does is just raw talent, to be honest. So comfortable about him having a really good season. Again, I do think the, there there's gonna be games that he can't necessarily win himself like he did last year, just'cause of the level of opposition. So I'm in complete agreement and which is why I'd just be really happy if we can get back towards the playoffs. I don't have us as one of the favorites in the NFC personally just because of you know, how last year went, the roster bill, all that kind of stuff. But I do think with Jaden Daniels, we've definitely got a chance of being a playoff team again and hopefully getting towards that double digit wins.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:06:43

that's great. Oh wait, and I have one more question too. This guy, I mean, I hope you guys don't do this, but Josh, are you familiar with Isaiah Bond?

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:06:51

Yes. Didn't he get picked up by the Browns? Am I, am I right?

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:06:55

Oh,

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:06:56

I think so. I think, I think they picked him up as soon as he was allowed eligible.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:07:01

because I, I mean, I loved him. He was at Alabama, then he transferred to Texas and he got injured. So he didn't have like, as, as big a career as as expected, but I mean, I think he's a first second round

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:07:10

Yeah. Yeah.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:07:11

receiver. And then, yeah, he had all of those issues and I saw they got dropped and I was like, man, this, this is a golden ticket for some team to swoop in and get him. which it would've been a great fit, I would think, for Washington because of what he would bring. But I didn't realize the Browns grabbed him

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:07:26

It looked it.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:07:27

that's a shame. There goes, there goes that career.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:07:29

their PR

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:07:29

No, this is it. They doubled down. Like he, he he was, he's fast, right? Like a really fast 40 time whatever. Yeah, I remember. I, I remember. So,'cause I didn't actually see him play much at Alabama, but I remember watching him at Texas a couple of times last year and yeah. I'm, I'm glad we, we don't pull the trigger on players like that. Even though like on, from a pure football perspective, he would've definitely helped our wide receiver ring.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:07:54

You know, like,

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:07:55

Well thank you very much, Jim, for coming on. It's great to hear some insight behind enemy lines in terms of Philadelphia, and we wish you the worst of luck for the season Of course. But before you go, we would love to have your NFC East predictions. You can give us records if you like, or you can just give them standings. And then if you think the Eagles have what it takes to, to repeat.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:08:18

so, okay. Yeah. I mean, I think it's gonna not, it'll be not surprising, but I think that the Eagles take the division, I think, you know, in the order it'll be Eagles, Washington, probably Dallas, and then Giants at the bottom. That would be my guess. And I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I could see, I'm not sure on records. I, I don't know. I mean, I, I, I think the Eagles probably make it to the NFC championship game. I'm not sure if they go back to the Super Bowl. This is, again, optimistic and anything could happen. I

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:08:50

Do you

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:08:50

do TI do,

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:08:56

Okay,

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:08:57

I do think that

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:09:00

Yeah.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:09:00

I mean, I actually do think that there will probably be a little bit of a slump on, on Jayden this year, but I don't think, you know, just like what I was saying with Saquon, I mean, even if he's at 70 or 80%, the talent is so high that he'll still, he still has enough. So even if he steps back you know, teams scheme for him and game plan for him a little bit more, it might have an impact. know, try to make it a little bit more confusing for him in the defenses that he faces. probably will have an impact, but he's just so talented that he will overcome a lot of that. So I think he probably does have a step back a little bit, but and I'm a big Hertz fan, but I still think that Jayden is probably, you know, he's up there as one of the best divisions in the one of the best quarterbacks in the NFC. So yeah, there, they're, they're almost certainly playoff bound, I would

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:09:45

Yeah, I think that that third wild card spot now is the, what makes me confident that we should, we should be one of those teams in the conference. So you, you're going for the Eagles to repeat, which will be the first. C repeat winner for like 20 years since you guys did it in like 2004. I think no one's won it. Two in a row.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:10:05

I think

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:10:05

Yeah. So.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:10:06

I do think so. Just because the, the way that they're built and yeah, I think I just, the way that they're built and how young they are, and because of the fact that, you know, any of their past teams, they've had maybe one good unit. and a half good units, but now, like their secondary's pretty good, their defensive line's still pretty good. Their linebackers are great. So the defense should be good. And they've got offensive players, you know, and, and jaylen's work ethic. I mean, and all of this could hit a brick wall, but I, I do think that if things go as planned and on paper that they should probably probably win the division.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:10:40

Cool. Okay. Well as long as you are confident that Washington make the playoffs, then we can actually air this podcast and I won't just chuck it in the bin. So that's good. You, you did, you did say that. We

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:10:49

Yeah.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:10:49

probably will. Which is good for us. Brilliant. Thanks Jim. Really appreciate you coming on. Good to chat to you. Great to find out you're coming to Madrid'cause that'll be wicked. If anyone wants to get in touch with us, please do. On x hold on free pod or our email address. Hold on. Free pod@gmail.com. This week on joining James and Matt is dialing in from Cyprus to talk all things fantasy football as we're getting into draft season. So Matt will be on at some point on the next pod. Jim, do you still play fantasy football? Do you play at all or.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:11:19

I

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:11:19

Okay,

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:11:19

do.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:11:19

cool. Have a listen to it. Matt's very clued up and we have a good chat about we are in both dynasty league and kind of a redraft lead together, so there might be something of interest.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:11:29

Oh, had me at dialing in from

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:11:32

yeah,

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:11:32

so yeah. That's not what I hear very often On my,

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:11:35

we we're, we're a global baby. We are. I mean, I'm, I'm

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:11:38

was

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:11:38

I'm I'm outnumbered today and two people from the two people in the States and, and then we've had Dubai and Cyprus and my friend from Germany, hopefully he's gonna come on soon. So yeah, we're definitely, we're global, but cool. That.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:11:50

Jim, you'll have to come back on. I know they've back loaded our divisional matchups because I guess the NFL is maybe thinking we'll be battling it out late into

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:11:58

Yeah.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:11:58

but you'll have to come back on as we get towards the holidays to preview the the Eagles games.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:12:03

Oh, that'd be great. Yeah. Hopefully it shakes out both like the way that we're both expecting and it'll

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:12:07

Yeah.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:12:07

a pretty good matchup.

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:12:09

yeah, for sure.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:12:10

Brilliant. Okay, great. That'll do it for another episode. Until next time, hail

ledders_2_08-17-2025_082633: 1:12:14

Hail,

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:12:16

brilliant.

squadcaster-1eb2_2_08-17-2025_092631: 1:12:16

saying it.

josh_3_08-17-2025_142632: 1:12:17

No, you don't have to. Yeah. But as long as you, as long as you don't say your one we're fired as.