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Emergency Pod: Scary Terry signs contract extension!
James, Lee and Josh jump on quickly to discuss the good news that Terry McLaurin has finally signed a long term contract extension for the Commanders. The boys also briefly touch on the Brian Robinson JR trade and the pre-season game against Baltimore.
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josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Welcome to another edition of the Hail on three podcast. My name is Josh, joining you from Ambleside, the late District National Park, cumbia, northwest of England. I'm on holiday, but we have jumped on for a kinda semi-emergency pod and I'm joined by both Lee and James Lee in Chicago, who is in the middle of a working day, but has joined us. Lee, how are you mate?
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Hello Sports fans. Josh. I am very well. Thank you. I am. Feeling quite relieved over here. I didn't actually realize quite how relieved I'd feel when the news came in, but yeah, feeling good.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Good man, James, how have you enjoyed your bank holiday weekend. Before we jump onto the news.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:It's been a lot. Weekend. Nice to top it off with some good news. Um, had some tapas, half a bottle of rose. So yeah, I'm ready to talk some Terry McCan. Good news.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:You are ready to fly. Okay, so let's not bury the lead. Uh, let's go to Lee first. Lee, your instant reaction to the news that Terry McClure assigned a long-term extension.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Instant reaction was, it was the news we were all expecting, but it was the news we were expecting. A time ago, I think everyone was getting a little nervy about how this was playing out, and it was getting, I wouldn't necessarily say toxic, but it wasn't far off with kind of both sides in terms of what was being played out, at least online. But even with the optics of, um, press conferences and walking around, uh, training camp with your, with your hoodie on and your agent by your side, it was, it wasn't the best, was it? And, um, at the end of the day. Uh, our prediction was pretty correct that he was gonna sign before the start of the season for around that 30 million number. Obviously, we don't know the exact details of the guaranteed yet, but overall, I kind of talked myself into it being not a problem'cause he's gonna play for us anyway. But it was really hanging over, hanging over the organization, wasn't it? And it was, it just kind of killed a bit of the, the good feeling coming off last year. I thought so once the, once it popped up on my phone originally from James,'cause I was. Not on Twitter at the time. And then I looked at, at Twitter, it was just to see it everywhere. It just kind of, it gave you that, that good feeling. It was like, okay, now I can actually look forward to the season a bit.'cause it was,
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Hmm.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:it was dragging on. And yeah, as I say a bit, the feeling looked like it wasn't great. So to get it done and to have our best, and let's face it, only true number one receiver on the team signed up and locked in. Just makes you feel so much better going into the season.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah. Nice. Um, before you jump in, James, I was a little bit worried'cause I saw the, the message from James as well. I was slightly worried. It might have been Adam Schleifer or
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:Now I
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:of the one.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:about to say I was gonna lead with that. I did triple check. I thought it was gonna be that Adam sch Scheffler guy. Um, so yeah, I, I, there's several sources that I went through before, um, sending that out to you guys to not embarrass myself. So.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Okay, good. You triple sourced. Nice. Uh, yeah, agree with you, Lee. James, what was your instant reaction and, uh, based on kind of what we know at this point about the money.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah, I mean, uh, right now the fan and me just doesn't really give a shit about whatever the money is.
Pay him. Pay that man his money.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:I'm just really excited it's done. Um, and you know, he, he'll be there and he. Yeah, the initial annual, I mean, we've seen it all. Some are saying up to, some are saying over this 96 number. Um, obviously we'll have to see what the guarantees say. I know Lee's gonna really wanna dive deep into these, these numbers. Um, be interesting to see what the guarantee looks like. Um, that third year could very well, well just be fluff as it often is. Um, but it's around that number we were talking about. Right? If you, if you. Put it in with the current year he's got left. I think that averages out 30 million a year. So, yeah, just really happy it's done and we can just move on and just look forward to week one. only caveat I will just quickly point out, don't wanna put down on it, but, um, in parcel when have been received is holding out close to the seasons such should Brandon, I CD lamb started off quite slow and in IX case he actually got injured so. would be surprised if he had, I wouldn't be surprised if he was on limited snaps week one would be my only thing I'd say, but, um,
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:with the, uh, short turnaround. To
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:yes. Yeah, exactly. Um, wouldn't be surprised if they save him bit for Green Bay, but can't be negative. It's all good news. Just glad it's done and um, yeah,
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:I'm pretty. I'm, I'm relieved as well. I'm pretty optimistic actually for week one. I mean, they've got, I'm sure conditioning won't be a problem. He's a pro, he's a professional. I'm sure he is in, in good shape. He, he looks in good shape and it's right tomorrow and the rest of this week and, and the following week when they're gonna game plan in earnest for New York. So he'll be on, he'll be on the field on 1111 for all of that. I'm sure he is not been, you know, ignoring the kind of, um. Installations and stuff over the off season. So I dunno, I feel fairly confident he might be, might be closer to a full go. We'll see. I guess we'll see when it comes, but they do have two weeks.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:sure he is been looking after. I'm sure he is been looking after himself, but, um, yeah, we'll see. I guess, Lee, what, what do you reckon, like week one, I know you'll be there.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Yeah, exactly. I honestly, I know we kind of joked, didn't we, um, during the summer that if, if he signs it on Saturday night, we're not worried about the, uh. The Saturday night before the game, we're not worried about the Giants game, but I think the, the general concern would slightly just be the, the conditioning aspect of game speed, not him being anywhere near out of shape. It's just receiver is such a unique position, isn't it? And that's, that's probably the only minute concern. But in terms of, um. Terry is an athlete. He is, I'm gonna touch touch wood here. He is not someone who's really s suffered with any of the soft tissue stuff previously say. I think they'll know where he is at when they look at him. Um, I agree with Josh, like two weeks is weirdly kind of a. longer time when you're talking about that level of sports science.'cause you can just slowly ramp it up over the next few days or when he gets in on Wednesday and they'll know by the end of this week where he is at. And if they need to limit him a little bit, then not ideal, but you know, it's better than him signing kind of just after Labor Day or something. So we've, we're at the end of, literally, right at the end of training camp. It officially finished, I guess on on Friday. So it did happen a few weeks later than we'd, we'd hoped.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Okay.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:In terms of being a hold in, he has at least been in the building and yeah, I'm not worried at all about the, the, the kind of offensive scheme that much, to be
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Hmm.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:I think the, the concern would be is he a hundred percent, you know, ready to run the routes that he has done previously. And it might just take a week or two after that Green Bay game that you have 10 days rest as well. Don't you
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:by week three you should be full go if worst case.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah. And we talked a bit about the kind of silver lining thinking, um, when, when the holdout was happening, which was all, or Daniels will get more reps with Deebo, right? He'll get to sort of, um. Have a lot more attempts to try and, um, have some sort of a connection with Deebo, someone he's not played with before. And I guess that's kind of true and that there's been a lot of talk about how positive that connection has been in, in, in the training camp and stuff. So, you know, Terry coming back with two weeks ago, lots of reps with Deebo, the other receivers getting a chance Lane, getting a bit more of a chance than maybe he would've done all that stuff. We can try and spin that into a positive. I think I'm very glad that it's happened with a little bit of time before New York and, and we can kind of move on from it. So happy days.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Can I just ask you guys? Um, and it's gonna be per speculation at this point, but. Considering how the optics did look throughout the summer and it surprised people including us, how kind of sour it seemed to turn at times. Um, what do you think happened here in terms of the strategy from the, the team? More than anything, I think we know what the strategy from Terry was with his, with his agent and whether we agree wholeheartedly about how he went about it is, is up for debate. But that was this Adam, Pete is just saying, this is my first big deal. extension, I've got to negotiate. You know, I've gotta prove that I'm not gonna be a piss over here. I'm not just gonna give you the money you think you deserve based on what you have done. Was this Adam Peters really not wanting to pay the 30 plus million. Um, I know we dunno the guaranteed yet, but like on paper, what, what he's got,
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Peters folded here? Um,
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah. I mean, I,
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:do we think?
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:I wonder if he always had that number in mind that he would go to. Um, but just didn't wanna just give it away. Perhaps it's been mentioned before, there's quite a few players that could potentially be looking to get paid. Uh, the end of the next year. You got Frankie Vu, possibly Deebo and Lamore if they perform well. So
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Extension.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:yeah, big one. Um, I know it wasn't the GM at the Niners, but this happened a lot in San Francisco as well. Um, so maybe it's just not something, it's just what he does. But, um, yeah, it probably sets a bit of a marker. Um. yeah, I guess we won't know who's really, who's really budged either way, until we see the guarantees on it. Right.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah, I agree. I think that what on paper at this point before you, you can't really say too much'cause you dunno what the guarantees are, let you say, but. It looked more than I thought it would be to get done at this point. So that's, that's so, so my initial reaction was, oh, Terry's, Terry's kind of got what he was after or, or close to what he was after. And that's interesting that it took the team so long to agree to it. That was my initial reaction. But again, as you say, all the devil's in the detail, so we'll see how that is. Apologies. By the way, listeners, if you can hear, um, farm traffic going past me on the road here in Ambleside, it's, uh, an agricultural part of the uk so I'll go on mute when I'm not talking, but, um, yeah, I think we, we'll see how it. Plays out and when we next pod, we'll be able to talk about the numbers in detail, but overall, right, we're all delighted that he's signed a long term deal.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Yeah, there's a big difference between him playing week one, with the extension in place than him playing week one. Really pissed off, uh, with the uncertainty and that being a massive. Topic of conversation. Can you imagine if he had a really quiet, weak one against the giants, and he hadn't actually, extension wasn't in place. He hadn't signed it, or
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah, he might not have practiced and he might have had like 10 snaps or something.'cause he can't even play.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:yeah, the questions that would've come about it would've been so annoying. I'm actually feeling more relieved than I thought I would to be honest. Like I think it's been a bigger, um, cloud hanging out cloud might be an extent, you know, over exaggeration, but it's just kind of, it's been annoying in the background all summer, hasn't it? So I'm feeling a lot more, um, positive about going into week one now, just this is gonna not be talked about on Giants Week, you know, which is, is great.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:On the, on the positive side. For a new podcast like ours, it has, um, us content to actually use in the off season. So,
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah, true.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:every cloud.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:The saga has, has, has dragged on. We've been able to talk about it each week. That's true. A standing item. Um, cool. That's probably enough on, on Terry's extension then, unless
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:que
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:I'll go on.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Um, just because. And I'll tell you what, boys watching pre-season, I haven't got through one full game, but it's been very bad when we haven't even had our backup throwing the ball. Um, honestly, do you this is just a quick gut feeling. Do you guys think anything And just seeing what we've had out there on the field, and it's hard to judge in pre-season without Mariota. I know, but there's just not been any great noise in camp has there. And. Obviously, uh, Noah Brown has been getting back to fitness. Has that played anything into this deal or the team may be caving a little bit? I don't think so, but I
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:No,
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:put it out there.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:my, my instinct is no.'cause I don't think they're short term enough to worry. Like they don't, they're short term thinking. They're not, they're not doing that. So my instinct is no. I think McCaffery talked a little bit about that Ravens game the other night on McCaffrey played quite well in that game. I, I, I think they're happy with lane's progression as a rookie, so I don't think it did as my instinct.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:So, yeah, while, while it's all good news, not so much good news for Mr. Michael Gallup.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yes, correct. True. Um, so Al almost breaking these, um, as we were doing the, the prerecord, me and Lee were chain before, before you joined James and Yeah. Gallup's been released. So, um, we talked about this, didn't we, when we were talking about the rookie wide receiver, um, Brooks and, and the kind of much rather see someone like him on the roster than Michael Gallup at this point. And, uh, Michael Gallup has been released. I'd be surprised, maybe he'll retire again. He knows.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Yeah, maybe. I think the one thing it did highlight is how short we are in terms of. Behind Terry. Like we don't even have anyone outside of
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Brown that any, uh, that's gonna keep any defensive coordinator up at night. Do you know what I mean? In terms of a, an actual receiver, obviously I'm, I'm not counting Deebo here as a true outside receiver and he can. He can do that and stretch the field at times, but just in terms of like where we are, um, it just, it just makes everyone feel a lot better that, that he is locked up. It, it's kind of interesting to think now if he has a season anywhere resembling last year and he stays, um, as healthy as that, like maybe he can go, maybe he can go to, to that
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Hmm.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:to 34 age because he, he just doesn't really shade any signs of slowing down, as he say.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:No, and like you said before, like when we were talking about him in sort of. Uh, highlights of last year and how well he played. Um, it's not breakaway to Sean Jackson's speed or anything that's always been his game has it. So it's not like he's gonna lose that step. That will make him suddenly less, um. Less effective. Um, I do think it's interesting, one you mentioned about the depth, lack of depth potentially at the position. Um, under J we often carried like five or six wide receivers. Six, seven wide receivers. Sometimes. Um, I feel like, I think I said on the last pod that we wouldn't, we were unlikely to carry four running backs. Or suit up for running backs. I actually think that might be a possibility now on, on game day and earlier in the season and, and maybe one fewer wide receiver because of the way the offense is built and the kind of talent disparity. But we, yeah, we'll see how that, how that works. Um, talking of which, probably a decent segue into the news that. Broke earlier in the week, um, that Brian Robinson Jr. Was traded to San Francisco for a sick frown pick, I think was the compensation. Um, so James, you are, um, you're the running back gear on this pod. What was your initial reaction to that?
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah. Well we also, you all knew it was coming for quite a while. Um, we had discussed in our, some of our first episodes we'd done earlier in the year, March, April time, around the draft that, we thought they needed to upgrade it running back, and we thought there was a chance that Brian Robinson isn't on this team come the new season. I think we fought after the draft and we only invested a seventh round pick and a and a running back and no free agent signings that. He would stay after that. So the ton of events is interesting. Interesting to see. something have come out at some point about how this really kind of came about. Uh, there are Rubins that they weren't, they decided they were kind of off him heading into the playoffs. So it's a bit weird that didn't really take action, um, unless they thought they could get cross game out where they got him. But that kind of hard to believe. yeah, I mean, I'm excited. Obviously I've been talking about Crosky merit. Or summer and I think the run games is gonna be really, really exciting when you've got Deebo in the mix, you got ler, Chris Rodriguez can get a bit more run, which I know Lee is wanting to see for a little while. And obviously Croskey merri in there. So I think it'd be a true running back by committee and obviously with Deebo and Jayden taking, um, plenty of running back snaps as well. So, um, be interested to see how it plays out. Um, it was, it was a bit strange how it all happened, but. Obviously, you know, no hard feelings against B. Rob, I think you've done a good job for us, likable guy, but to move on and to see if we've got something else, uh, a bit more explosive, um, up our sleeves this year.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:I agree with all of that. I, rob, I mean, I think he's a great goal line runner. He obviously wasn't a, a flashy runner. Um, outside of that one. He broke against the Titans last year. I just don't really remember him breaking out any long. 20 plus yard runs hardly at all in his career. Um,
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:When he did get, when he did get, like when he did break through, he would just get caught up quite easily. Um, there wasn't that breakaway speed, as you say.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Um, I'm actually pleased that we got something for him. Um, I'm pleased we got sick. Usually I wouldn't care about that, but we are lacking in the later rounds for next year's draft, so I'm pleased about that in terms of how it will look, um, against the giants and thereafter, I think it's very much gonna be, running back by committee, but also it'll be like opponent dependent as well, kind of how they. How they shape up and if we, there will be times probably where Crosky Merri doesn't even get suited up. Um, I think McNichols does probably get suited up most games'cause he can, he can, you know, in Pass Pro. the others, they're not really, they don't excel at that. So I think Jeremy Nichols will be, will be starting in terms of, um, a place on the field most games. So that might mean that Rodriguez or Crossing Merit doesn't suit up the odd game. Um. Or they may, they may just have four, as Josh said. It'll be, it'll be interesting to see.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah, I'll be intrigued to see how they go for, for week one. Um, I, yeah, no hard feelings to be Rob. Quite a good servant. Um, as you say, I think he only had a couple of explosive, like technically explosive plays last year. Um, rushes beyond 20 yards, 25 yards. Yeah, they're pretty rare, I feel like. In preseason Rodriguez looked slimmer, more kind of explosive than he has done in the past. And you, you gotta respect a grinder like that who's been in and around the team for years and on, on and off the practice squad finally making it and kind of giving him the opportunity. So I'm happy with that. And the running back bug committee, which basically just works way better when you've got someone like Daniels, obviously, right? Like you can kind of get away with it either way. So exciting to see how we sort of lean on the run game a bit more in the Raven style.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:I suspect ler probably take a bit more of a lead week one. Just know as the veteran and you know, he's, we didn't give him a ton of work last year, so maybe just give him a bit more work, sort of week one and then just it, it may progress from there, but I'll be surprised if he was kind of and getting the early snaps. Um, as the veteran, obviously, you know, effective in the past game and pass, protect.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Yeah, a hundred percent. Um, be an interesting couple of weeks to start the season for sure, to see how, how this offense goes. I can't imagine Cliff is someone that to give away much in pre-season, but he wouldn't have even had the chance if he did want to, to be honest. He, uh, he showed us the, the de sweep, and that was about all she wrote because. Outside of that, we, we had no, no starters playing basically outside of some rookies that were, were kind of trying to, trying to fit in and get some reps under, under the belt. So yeah, really excited to see what Diva's gonna do with Terry though.'cause I'm sure Cliff has been, has been countrying up a lot in the background
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Hmm.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:for this news so that, that is on paper. Very exciting.'cause Divo does look like he's ready to go, doesn't he?
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:by all reports. So.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Um, I think interesting, um, you, you talked about kind of the lack of people we saw in preseason. Um, we did play a game on Saturday evening against the Ravens. Um, well, Saturday evening, UK times like midday. Uh, your time, Lee, I think on Saturday, wasn't it? Um.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:AM
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:AM in Central. Um, we lost 33 against the Ravens. Um, I,
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:final
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We scored three points. Um, I, I did. Um, I mean, you know, we can, we can move on. Dan Quinn's not gonna be happy about the effort, but this is guys that aren't gonna make the roster. So I think there was a couple of bright spots from what I saw. So Rodriguez flashed again, like 34 yards on five carries Luke McCaffrey called all of his five targets, which is good to see. Um, more kind of. Game day practice. Um, a bit of issues with kicking again. I saw, um, really good snap and hold, and then Matt Gage is missing. Massively left. Um, so that's something maybe we can have on our watch. Um, watch list. There's,
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Macke? Can I take McCaffrey
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:yeah. Go on. Yeah. Shoot.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:low-key. Quite pleased for him. I've been a bit frustrated about some of the noises coming out of this summer about McCaffrey, because he obviously hasn't had a chance. I mean. The big takeaway from preseason is Sam Hartman is not an NFL quarterback, which I don't think anyone fought going into preseason. He was gonna, uh, make many, um, waves into being considered as a, you know, a, a backup somewhere else in the league, but was a bit painful watching him throw the ball this summer, to be honest. Um, and yeah, McCaffrey hasn't really had many shouts, so I was pleased. To see him get targets and see him, you know, make some moves. And I think that's just, that was just a little win out of, out of the weekend, to be honest, because he hasn't done anything in the other games, but he hasn't had much chance. So it's been hard to evaluate. So fingers crossed, um, that that's, that's a positive.'cause some people were even talking about a roster spot for him, and I was like, that's surely overblown. I mean, come on.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Hmm.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah, it's interesting if you're one of those, um, or whoever trying to make the team on the offense and Hartman's just giving the ball away constantly. You must be getting really pissed off. You know, you, you're fighting to stay on the team and he just can't do anything.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:He looked terrible like this, as if like, there's just no zip on the ball. Like he just Yeah. Does, does not look.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:you got hurt last preseason. I
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:All right.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:And he had like shoulder surgery during the
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Okay. Okay.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:for the Blake having to play that
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:really.'cause I guess they're a bit 50 50 on Mariota for week one. So they're
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Right?
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:being on the side of caution. But it, it was tough for the other guys, um, Jako watch for like the guys like Brooks to really. really show what they could do. I, I think he makes a practice squad probably. Um, talking to
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:I.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:think he's shown some good stuff, but probably not enough to, to earn a roster place. Who knows With Gallup, but I
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah, maybe.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:where he ends up.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah, that's true. I mean, Josh Johnson didn't look great either at times, actually, interestingly. So, I mean, yeah. Um, but yeah.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:I've seen, um, I've seen Jeff DRIs mentioned, didn't we have him at some point
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:someone a bit more liable and you might just like been off Hartman and Johnson at this point.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:be surprised if they have all of three on the, on the 52. I think
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah, I can't see that.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:no, no one's signing them off our practice squad. I
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:No, no, no. Like
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:you
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Sam, Sam Hartman will get like a modeling contract. He'll be fine. It's not a problem.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:great
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:I don't think he, yeah, I don't think he's gonna be playing.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:I see him, it's like a hockey game. It's like chugging a
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah. Yeah. He seems like a good bloke, uh, but not, not a football player, uh, at this level. Cool. Um.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Okay. Josh, what? You can give us the kicking evaluation because. From my, I'm not looking at the stats, but I believe he's missed both his field go goals over 50.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah,
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:not a pressure cooker situation either. Does something just happen to our kickers when they, you know, they turn up in DC and they just completely lose the plot? Like, that's not great, is it?
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:no, it's not great. I, I, I dunno, I think this is a. I think we are in a bubble sometimes and we consider our team obviously as the most important thing to watch. I think this is probably. Pretty much a league wide problem. To be honest, I don't think there's that much stability at the position across the league, um, beyond a few key guys. Um, I mean, maybe it is worse here. I'm not sure. I don't really look at the kickers across other teams, but yeah, I mean, Matt Gay doesn't look like he's the answer at this point because if he's missing those sort of kicks under no pressure with good snaps and good holds, then we're in a bit of trouble. Um. I think with the amount that we go for it on fourth down, it's a little bit less of an issue than it used to be when we were desperately trying to kind of play that No mistakes football under Jay and, and Rivera. Um, but it could, it could be a difference between a one or one loss season, one win loss of season if we have someone that's gonna fuck up like Dustin Hopkins did at Wembley. So who knows?
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:puts a bit more pressure on him, doesn't it?'cause they did actually so they gave him the job
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:than having competition. So I would say missing a couple of kicks in preseason puts a little bit more pressure on you. You don't wanna be doing that, um, when the games count. So yeah, fingers crossed that gets corrected.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah, fingers crossed. Um, I'm not sure if well, you, you often see actually, don't you, the week before the first game, someone being brought in. We've seen it before. So, um, as, as guys get released across the league and this cut down to 50 free man roster, um. I've got my 53 man prediction. Now if you wanna go one by one or no. I did use, I did used to do that, actually used to have a spreadsheet with 53 man prediction. Uh, a little bit too busy these days for that. I'm not gonna go go through that. Um, anything else either of you want to kind of bring up, um, back to Terry or, or anything else ahead of, um, two weeks time?
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:Not really. I, I think, I wonder if they are keeping an as obviously cut down day. Um, I think pretty much tomorrow. I think there's some cuts happening now, but I wonder if they do keep an eye on wide receiver. Um, I've seen Kendrick born at the Patriots potentially on the roster bubble. He would add some nice speed. Um, it's like a depth piece if, but I guess it depends how many they're gonna keep. but it'd be interesting to see if there is any others we kind of pick
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:We brought in KJ OS Osborne last year. I can't remember if it was just before the season started or like during the season bit.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:late, late in the season.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Right. Was it? Okay? Well, he, he had a terrible drop on Saturday night on like a third and one.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:Right.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:It was like one of those in, in and outta your hands, like, what are you doing? Drops. So I, I don't think he's probably likely to be an answer. I think he might be a cut as well. We'll see. Um, yeah, that's not a bad shout. They might look at that. I think they also will look at the, the line as well. They often look to bring someone in who's, who's cut it.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:someone in the other last week. Right. Um,
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah. I can't remember the guy's name.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:Seahawks, ex Seahawks George fan or something like that.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Uh, lineman.
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Um, let's have a quick look.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:They're pretty active with bringing people in. I think we haven't gone free up piece by piece because at this point it's best to wait for the, for the 52. But
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:George F. Yeah.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:there, there was like a backup center they brought in as well.'cause. Our backup center had to play last year, didn't he? And it didn't look, didn't look great in New Orleans and stuff. I remember. So it will be interesting for those pieces on, on the 52. Um, it's also worth remembering that when the 52 gets announced, there's usually then some that get immediately signed to the practice squad, and then there's usually more movement before we get into, into week one. If we were doing the predictions thing for the 52, I would say this would probably be the easiest year though. I don't think there's that much, you know, some years you go into it and you're like, how do we not.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:I.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:him on there, but we could, there's not much of that this year.
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah, oft often it's really tough on the defense and offensive lines, but this year doesn't seem to be as hard on that. Um, so I think it's, yeah, much, much easier, like you say, um. Cool. Any last thoughts? I think we are gonna have a, um, obviously we'll have, um, New York Giants preview Pod out in the week before the season, but we've also got in the works a, um, league-wide predictions pod for the NFL season with some guests, lots of guests actually. Um, previous guests we've had on and some other people to hear from. Um, and we're going to release that before the season starts. We're not sure exactly when that's gonna be out, but we'll at least have two podcasts before week one at this point. But yeah. Anything else from, from, from yourself, James?
james_1_08-25-2025_210808:Not for me ready to go now. Um, just glad that's all behind us and we can just look forward to it and I'm sure Lee is now looking forward to flying out to, uh, Washington next weekend.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Yeah, I'm just ready for football now. We've had a great off season. Really enjoyed doing this, especially through the draft process and getting going. And now feels exciting to, to be a couple of weeks away or less than a couple of weeks away from, from football. That matters. And as soon as, as soon as I take the, uh, take the walk down to the stadium, the, the walk that you guys know very well
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah.
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:stop, then you'll start, the excitement will start really, really building. And I'm hoping week one will be, uh, a burgundy heavy week one in that stadium as
josh_1_08-25-2025_210808:Yeah, I'd, I'd imagine it will be. I, I hope that is the case. Um, yeah, we will be James and I'll be watching the game out, I think at a bar in London, week one. And we'll get a pod out I'm sure relatively quickly after the game, uh, within, hopefully within 24 hours for everyone as a recap. Um, but until next time, guys, thanks for joining and hail
ledders_1_08-25-2025_150808:Hail.
Commanders fans. What's up? It's Terry McLaurin. I'm back. I'm excited to be here with you guys, man. I call this place home. I can't wait to see you guys out there week one. Let's work hard this year. We need y'all loud each and every week. Appreciate y'all. Let's get to it.