Hail on Three
Three fans, two continents, one team. Hail on Three brings together Josh Edwards, James Barker and Lee Edwards to talk Washington Commanders football—the good, the bad and the downright baffling. Expect game talk, guests, hot takes and plenty of side tangents. Whether we’re winning or rebuilding (again), we’re along for the ride.
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Week 8 Preview Show - Commanders @ Chiefs
The boys get together preview the week eight tilt against the resurgent Kansas City Chiefs on MNF, but also lots of big picture stuff:
- Highs and lows of Lee's jaunt to Dallas, including BBQ and turbulence
- The defense and what might change
- Draft and trade deadline chat
- Lee's lookback game
- James's Matchup Matrix
- Josh's 'Commanders win if' statline
- Scoreline predictions
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I do feel a little bit more confident now,
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:oh God.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Not in a, not in winning, but in not being as
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:I just listened to nine minutes of Joe Whitt Jr. And I don't, so,
How would you describe the culture surrounding this football team? You know, the culture is actually damn good.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Welcome to another edition of the Hail on Free podcast. My name is Josh. I'm joined for the first time in what seems forever by both James and Lee. This fine Friday. Uh, I'm gonna send it to Lee first, but Lee, it feels like to me a long time since the debacle in Dallas has it felt like a long time for you as well.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Hello Sports fans. Uh, it feels like a while now. Yeah, it was just a terrible 48 hours afterwards, wasn't it? So I did listen to you guys. Kind of rant through that, which I thought was great. Showed, showed there were a True Fan podcast, letting out that frustration. So kind of wish I could have joined to add some more, but pretty, pretty glad it probably for the best. I didn't actually.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Could have ended up two hours long, um, if, if you'd hopped in from Dallas Airport,
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:I didn't.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Definitely.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:do much of a job on the edit. I just kind of let it flow. But then when I listened back, I did think that we, we kind of lost our way towards the end a little bit going left, right, and center. But then that's what happens when you have such a, a shambles of a performance like we did in Dallas. Uh, today's podcast will be predominantly about the Chiefs on Monday Night Football. Looking ahead to that, but uh, before we get to that, I'm sure there's some stuff to chat about. Uh, from both of you guys and what you've been up to really, James, you, you've been back in the country a week now. Are you fully settled back in?
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Uh, yeah, to an, to an extent. Um, it was very nice weather out there, and now it's. It seems to have fully changed to winter since coming back. So, um, dark mornings and just getting used to that, but it's football season. Um, was very, kind of felt a bit out of the loop of what was going on, so, um, good to be back on home soil and, um, more in tune. Although coming back to the Dallas thing wasn't really ideal.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, you did think it was a nightmare at one point, right when you woke up, so as you said last week.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, the sleep is back to normal'cause yeah, I woke up confused thinking it was actually Sunday morning and that was just a horrible, horrible nightmare,
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah,
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:that took place on Sunday. But as you did say, it's very real and Lee can obviously confirm it's real there in person.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:yeah. I wanna talk to you, Lee, about your experience, uh, exclusive of the games. You have a good time. The barbecue looks particularly appetizing.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Yeah, it was, it was actually weirdly a really good weekend, uh, because I got to casual with a good mate of mine that only see once or twice a year. And it, outside of the actual game, it, it was quite fun to be honest, but it was a bit of a disaster in, in other ways, obviously. So my travel down there was just horrific as well. Um, just the most turbulent flight I've ever been on, and I don't. I don't know. I fly a lot obviously, but I, I generally, I feel like I've got worse with flying when it's that bad. Like, it's obviously bad if you get diverted to a
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:airport, like that was just horrific. Um, so yeah, an, an unplanned stop in Oklahoma City, it made it to Dallas, which should be a two hour flight. It was like six hours gate to gate in the end. So that was a great
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah,
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Um,
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:you're definitely right about, sorry. You're definitely right about turbulence as you get older. I've, I really hate it now.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:is more of an anxiety. It's more
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:thing though, isn't it? So I don't mind like, you know, you get knocked around a fair bit, don't you? Like these days? But if it's just,
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:But, but when you know, when you know it's like a bad one, it's, oh fuck. Um, yeah.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:by the pilot said there's, I think his words were, there's, I need everyone, like I need all the crew seated. There's a ton of energy coming off, off this system and it's not, and it's not gonna get any better. And I was like, okay. And then there was like moments where like the whole plane, like. Gasped. You know,'cause it was like a
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:that, that is not good. Like, I don't mind it if the seatbelt sign is on and the crew could kind of just about stand up and
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:do the trolley service. I'm, I'm fine. I'm used to that, especially like in the south of the us But that was actually horrific. Like I was. I was thinking about getting off in Oklahoma and just like renting a, a car because I didn't really wanna take off again, but it was, it was actually fine. We just had to wait it out to like, I guess just blow through to the east. But it was such a massive system over the whole of the us. And then my mate was flying from Detroit'cause he lives on the, like Ohio, Michigan border and it was going that way. So he, he didn't land until midnight. I thought he wasn't gonna make it till Sunday morning, but. He got there for last orders at the hotel bar, and then we just kind of started our weekend. But we actually had a really good fun Sunday outside of the football. Got some authentic neighborhood barbecue. There's some really good sports bars like around Jerry World as well. The stadium is still incredible, even though it was like. Built in like 2006. Now it, it's, you can still hold a candle to like SoFi and stuff, so ahead of its time. Um, but yeah, when I was walking outta there, it did make me realize we were talking about the rivalry last week. Obviously it did make me realize how much I still hate them. Like getting waved outta their own stadium is never, it's never fun. Um, but it was a good night, to be fair. We watched some of the, uh. The baseball that was getting towards the World Series. I think it was Toronto. Seattle, like game six and some of the Sunday night football. And we just had a good laugh with loads Washington fans that were down there drinking and making the best of it. So was one of those ones that I was glad I was there with someone if I, if I decided on a whim just to go on my own. I'd have been really pissed off in myself, but still managed to have a good weekend. Um, but we'll get into the football, but I don't wanna really pour over that game. Of course, you guys done a good job of that, but plenty to talk about moving forward. No doubt. I.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, absolutely. And I'm glad you had a good time, regardless. Um, let's talk about,
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:sorry.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:go on.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:I wanna revert back to that barbecue'cause you sent a picture. Um, we could tweet it out
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:give everyone the idea of the size of this thing. Could you, could you lay out what was on that platter meat?
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Yeah, this wasn't even like the largest plate you could get, so I just went for two meats, two sides. Uh, so I believe I, um, I got some kind of jalapeno sausage and ribs and then the two sides I went for mac and cheese and barbecue beans. And then I did get a side of cornbread as well. And yeah, I didn't, I didn't eat all of it, but I gave it a good go. And if you want authentic barbecue, then is not a bad shout.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Nice.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:at that.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, very nice. And, and, and.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:that, that place was amazing, to be fair because it had like an outside patio and like outside bar as well. And it was like really cool'cause it wasn't,'cause Jerry Wells kind of in like a massive, you know, industrial park kind of place. But this was like a neighborhood barbecue spot. Say we'd done our research and it paid off. Maybe I'll, um, maybe I'll let some, some people go into the World Cup next, next summer in with a little secret there.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Well, that's one victory for the weekend Then.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, this is all far. This is all far too positive. Let's talk about our defense and uh, and I just did nine minutes of listening to Joe Whitt Jr. And his, um, uh, it's Friday.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:hear that.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, it's interesting. Um, it's Friday, so they do the, the coordinators down Friday when it's Monday night football. So he had a, a chat to reporters. Uh, there's some interesting nuggets in there. I'll play a couple of clips throughout this when we kind of get to the various points that are relevant. Um. But we, we've been, I suppose we've been messaging a little bit this week on various bits on the defense. Lee, you mentioned something about Mikey and, and how that's a, a, a bigger problem, samra still than people are laying on at the moment, the way he's playing in the slot. Right.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:A hundred percent I'd. Listening to some, some breakdowns, and I've been watching a bit more of the all 22 on some of these games because I just can't believe our secondary is as bad as it is. And just looking at the, the way everything's outta sync and over the middle in the slot, he's getting absolutely picked on. Even the play that you broke up in the first half on Sunday. He was actually beat for a, for a touchdown. It was just that Dak, um, did get some pressure see him. Um, but regardless, I completely, I tweeted similar to this, I, I completely get that. Latimore is enemy number one from, from all the fan base. Because he was brought in for Draft capital. He was the name and his space to be the lockdown corner. He's literally brought in for games like that, right? To cover CD lamb, to cover Pickins. Um, he hasn't done it. He didn't do it last year against AJ Brown in big spots. So I a hundred percent get it. Bad trade, bad play, but I'm more concerned about players that are gonna be here moving forward now. And this is where it comes in, the coaching and scheme. And are we putting people in the right position because. like, can't you have to change something? And I'll be very curious to see if that's the move they make because he is getting like abused in the slot. Like he's the worst, um, in on our team in terms of what he's given up. And like the third worst in the league say that's a real concern, obviously after a fairly bright season, uh, rookie season on the outside.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, it's a weird one that he was a, you know, a bright spot last year. Um, but playing in a position that people didn't expect him to play because when he came out of the draft, there was lots of draft nicks and people saying that we've got a really good pickup at that point in the draft, and he is a bonafide slot corner. Like that's his thing and that's where he'll succeed. And actually, he ended up having to play outside and, and outplayed his, his kind of the expectations of him on the outside. And then we thought. Great. We we're actually now hopefully playing him to his strengths this season, moving him inside and he's had a terrible year where he's given up a team high 27 catchers, which is 10 more than Lamore Hass given up for nearly 300 yards in a couple of scores. So a weird one, and I do wonder if it will, we'll talk a little bit to. Joe Whit mentioning today that personnel changes and positional changes are going to happen or start to happen this week, and that that might be the one that does happen. That he moves outside and we see Noah eye in the slot a bit more.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:That has to, right? If, if you've got a player that performed so well last year in that position, um, even if you think this is the best position, it's not proving that way. Um, so why not at this point put him back out there and just see if he has a better time of it? Um,'cause you can't just keep carrying on like that'cause it's, everyone's seeing it now, um, his performances. So it, they have to try something else.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:They do, and this week they're going up against. Travis Kelsey, pat Holmes. Um. And they're gonna need speed over the, the middle as well. So there was talk today around not just that potential move for Sam stood outside, like we just discussed, but also some, some time for Kay Madano maybe even getting snaps. And I'm, I'm sure Jordan McGee is gonna continue to get more snaps having flashed. When I say flash, I mean it's not like he had a great game last week, but there, there are like elements of things that you can, you can look at on tape and go, they should be on the field more. So I really hope that he does stick by his word and actually do some of these things.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, definitely. Let's see more of these guys'cause it, it literally cannot get any worse. mad. I know Lee, you're excited about, obviously he's probably pretty raw, but to have, nice to have a bit of speed there. Um, as you say, we're gonna need it. Um, yeah, and obviously McGee's performing well, so let's just ramp him up as well. Why not?
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Yeah, definitely on obvious passing down. So I'd like to see Madano at least see some of the field. It's pretty hard to evaluate your draft picks. If you don't, they don't play, isn't it? So it'd be nice to at least get him on there for some of that. Um, I mean, the defense in general is, is in a terrible spot now with Armstrong being ruled out for the season. I think that broke as you guys were recording. I was just landing around then, say. They've obviously been a terrible spot now on defensive end. Right. So we talk about the wide perceiver spot. Defensive end is now basically the same. Yeah, well we've lost wives. We've lost Armstrong. Um, we've lost Baptiste who was the first backup on defensive end. So be really curious to see what they do now. They're kind of forced into making some changes
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Hmm.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Preston Smith absolutely can't set the age, so that much is clear. So I wonder what they're gonna do. Maybe they gave in three, four. Do they put Newton on the edge? Do they even put pain or kindler out there? They've gotta do something because without Armstrong rushing, we can't set the edge with the guys. We have been playing it in a four, so let's see what they do. They're gonna have to get quite creative. It's gonna be, be worth watching for that, if nothing else, to see actually what the kind of
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah,
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:um, to start the game.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:I'm, I'm,
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Maybe it, maybe it can get worse. Maybe the tweets make it even worse. Lee.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:I,
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Maybe, maybe.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:I'm glad you mentioned staying the edge.'cause often people think, oh, you're out, you're down. Defensive ends. You're not gonna be able to rush the passer. And that's like their initial reaction, like how you're gonna get pressure. But pressure is a, is a, is. At least a three or a four man job, not just a guy on the edge. But more importantly, can we, can we set the edge in terms of holding a pocket? Mahomes can get out and use his legs and get first down rushing, but also they can run the ball on the outside. So it is important in many different facets, not just rushing the passer. And, um, me, maybe me and James sort of glossed over a little bit when we, when we talked about the, the defense not being that injured last week. I mean, they've had a couple, um. And actually Whitt did talk about Will Harris being a good communicator and that people are not really talking about that.
Nobody really talks about the loss of Will Harris, um, who was a really good communicator. Um, and so, but that's one reason that we will, you know, pair some things back to, to eliminate some communications that, that we might have in reduction play. So.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:I think he, in his voice, you can hear a bit of frustration about that actually. And, um, starting to say that maybe that was a bigger piece than people realize. But yeah. Um, we'll see what those changes are. I know you say it'll be interesting to see how they do it.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Yeah, I, I guess let's talk about wit for a moment as we haven't all done it together, like in the emotion of it. I mean, I tweeted like that's gotta be it for Joe with Junior, right? And maybe that is like me predicting his future. I just looking at our schedule, this is my theory behind it. I don't see why Quinn would fire him or even make the change to like I'm calling plays because I generally believe we've probably got. The Super Bowl matchup staring us at the face in the next like three games. Like I could easily see like Lions chiefs in the Super Bowl, right? So why wouldn't Quinn just wait and let Whitt ride these gauntlet out and then make the move, like get into Miami, then say, because he's not gonna himself any favors, is he? If he like says I'm, well, I'm calling plays now and then we lose like 40, 50 to the chiefs.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah,
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:There's no point is there for him. He may as well let wit ride this. This out for a couple more weeks. Um, I don't think he's gonna fire him. I think he'll be like a slow firing, if anything. Like he'll just take the play calling off him maybe. We'll see. I just wonder how it involved. Quinn is already though, to be honest. We don't, we don't really know, do we? So there's bigger problems there.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:no. Yeah, lots of unknowns. Like you say, you don't really know how much. Influence or not Quinn is having on play calls or scheme. Um, but yeah, a good shout. Like we, I don't think any of us predicted that he was gonna get fired, right? Like it was more like the, the, the frustration in the moment of watching the game. And then when we did look forwards, each of us sort of individually said. It's unlikely that he will be, but that we wouldn't be upset obviously because of how bad things are. But it's a good, good point you make. Um, we've gone, we've gone 15 minutes or so without mentioning that Jane Daniels has been ruled out for this game. Um, I, I'll very quickly mention that now.'cause I think in the context of some of the rest of the stuff we'll talk about before you'll look back Lee, it's probably worth doing. So, um, yeah. Daniel's ruled out. Marriots will start the game. Um, and we do have, um. Positive signs that Terry and Debo are practicing fully, um, and likely ready to go in this one. Um, we don't have any Friday news as of yet. I don't think on, um, guarantees about who's gonna play, but just while I'd mention that quickly.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:I think to be fair, Deebo is upgrade to
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Okay.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:yesterday and he's just off, not even questionable
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Okay, cool.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:but we'll see.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah. Um, I wanted to to, to talk about something else that I, I listened to and heard this week, and we did mention it briefly on. The pod on the look, uh, uh, the recap of the Dallas game, which is the discourse at the moment around Adam Peters. So, um, James and I talked about how, you know, he was genius one minute, and then some people saying that he's put in a difficult position this year and all that kinda stuff. And probably the, the conclusion that, well, certainly the conclusion I made was that it's somewhere in between and some moves have been good and some have been bad, and you can kind of point to those pretty easily. One thing that I heard this week that really pissed me off, I'd be interested to see both of your, your guys' reaction, is um, someone who I respect quite, quite a lot said that the Daniels draft, so the first draft under Adam peers is an automatic A grade because you have your franchise quarterback. Now my initial reaction to that is that we had the second overall pick. Caleb Williams was off the board. And there was no other position obviously, that you take with that pick when you don't have a quarterback. So actually that pick is essentially kind of new. It doesn't really count towards the grade of that draft. Well, obviously it does if it's a disaster and you then you take some, like someone that isn't a franchise coer, but that was the only pick to make and you could make a, make an argument that Drake may as a. Another quarterback that seems to be doing okay now and stuff. But you, you don't give an a, an a for the most obvious thing in the world, right? Like I just don't understand that argument. Um, and, and the rest of the draft is what you want to grade. And it may be too early now when we have that debate, but I don't think you get an automatic a right just'cause you pick the one guy that everyone said you should pick. Lee, what do you think?
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Definitely not, especially when you have five picks in the top a hundred, which again, I mentioned in our timeline this week, worried about all the picks we're losing for next year, which I completely understand. But that first draft, we'd really, really got a bit of a stockpile, hadn't we? I think they had the Monte Sweat trade. And then on the Friday night, you had my favorite trade ever, obviously to our friends down the road, up the road. Um, so we had those five picks and we done a show in the summer when we were talking about last year's draft. And we did say this, we were like, we've gotta see a lot of progression from those Friday night players, um, to really kind of rate this, this draft. And yeah, I, you don't get an automatic, a, it may be for the franchise like feature. will be our best draft because of the quarterback that we got. But you, when you're evaluating the, the picks that we're taking, you certainly don't get an a d, um, for that. Um, I've got some more stuff on that as well, just that Friday night.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:We'll, we'll.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:what do you, what do you think about that? I.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, no, a hundred percent. There's a massive opportunity and you know, no one outside of that is really doing anything. Um, when you think of Ben Sins second round pick and then. You got that Chargers guy. I know it was a different draft of that Chargers guy last night. Fifth round pick. crazy athletic, tight end. Um, I think how many captures Benson had?
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Six or so I think is, yeah.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:And you know Yeah, they, they obviously smashed it with Daniels, but I mean, at that point, where else were they gonna go?
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:He's had less catches than Robbie chosen Straight Anderson
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:I,
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:the first quarter.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:I, I,
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:yeah.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:one, one thing I'll say is, um, I've got, I've got a fair bit of this. I'll try not to go too long, but it, it's not, it's not Lamar Jackson at Fay. Is it like that, that you can say is, is a, is a smash, you've smashed the callback. Pick not second overall Heisman winner.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:I actually didn't. There isn't actually a single pick where we can be like outside of Daniels where they've gone. Oh, smash that cornerstone for the future.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Yeah, and I also don't, look, I, you can't really look at it until a few years down the road. I get to give the overall
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:But you can certainly have a gut feeling, right? You see rookies and especially guys in their second year make huge impacts all the time. So I, I think I know who you're talking about, Josh. I don't really agree that you, you have to wait all these years to really look at it. I mean, if you look at some of Ron's first round picks, the amount of people that, what was the, what was the lineback? We got, um, in 21, that linebacker, what, what's his name? The, his, the first round pick.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Right.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:for some reason, but the amount of people that for year after year.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Davis.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:just like, yeah, we're just like, oh yeah, just give him time. Yeah. He's coming on. He's got no, you can see the impact he's having at the game when he is played 40 NFL starts. Right? It's just like stuff like that. So if you look at League McCaffrey as an example, yeah. He was probably the hundredth pick. Right? So the end of the second round. Um, end of the
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Set that round.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:So he, um, yeah, end of the third round. So he made plays this year. I think he's a really good kickoff returner, which is, which is good. That's worth maybe a fifth round pick or something. But, um, considering we didn't have receivers. Um, to throw the ball to, he's not even getting targeted. So of those games that you act, you go to and sit up, sit upstairs a little bit and watch it. He's definitely not
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Hmm.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:He might be open a couple of times and Daniels doesn't take it, but he's looking for. For bigger plays occasionally. Sure. But generally he's had some big plays and he score some touchdowns, but that's just him getting loose in coverage. It's not like him beating people one-on-one is it? So fact that he has not had like a five, six catch game with the receivers we've trotted out though is obviously I think he's gonna be a guy that comes in here or there. Um, and is a return a bit of like just a Dax Milton type. You
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, he's, he's carved out a role. we kind of, it seems like that's not really gonna expanding because I feel like it was, it would've happened by now given all the injuries.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, it's been, it's been, it's been long enough and the injuries are the key thing.'cause we've had so many injuries. It, it would've happened by now. Like, you'd have had that opportunity to step up and, like you say, I, I played devil's advocate a bit, right? So there, there are. There, there's arguments to say that a lot of draft picks after two, three years aren't on rosters anymore. And, and actually any draft pick that's a contributor from the second round onwards in some way is, is, is not a lot, is a win in some way. It's just not as big a win as you want. So Ben Sinner is turning to a good block and tight end and, and plays a lot of snaps, and that's a win in the sense that he's contributing on offense. The fact that we actually needed probably other positions at that point. Is what I think factors into those picks not being good ones. Sometimes I think that's, that's there's context around every pick. So I do think that,
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:especially when you see some tight ends get chosen. I mean, like even you look at Godard, uh, Godard, sorry. And then you look at, uh, LA Porta, like the, the second round's really high for a tight end. Like you have to have better
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:I.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:That's the problem. I'm not saying these are all busts'cause they're not, they've carved out a role as, as James said, but they're just not. They're not producing whether, um, where they, they were taken, which is not necessarily
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yes.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:player, but that's where it becomes a slight on the general
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:And Johnny Newman is the other good example of that. I think at a time when we were surprised to take that position and then retrospectively people said, oh, it makes sense'cause we can't keep Alan and Payne. But actually that only makes sense if Johnny Newman is able to, to produce, like you just said that. And, and he's not really right. So at this point he's not at least, and maybe he's flashed a bit, but yeah, that, that's, that's a, a good shout I think. Um. It's not necessarily these guys are busts or terrible, and actually the fact that they're contributing is not, not an awful thing or whatever, but they're not what they should be, where they were taken relative to other players.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:The other thing on the draft, especially when we look at that, that Friday night, is how are their decisions made? We don't know this, right? So a good example, um, would be is Dan Quinn and Joe Witt saying, this is the scheme we wanna play to Adam Peters. Like, this is the scheme we wanna play. So we need to target college players that are top prospects in this scheme. You know, for example, deje played, um, zone at Iowa. Uh, and Quinn and Witt, they wanna play man. In Dallas, they were the, they played the second most man in the leagues. They wanted. Players that could play, man. They go, okay, we need Sandra still.'cause he played more man at
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Marshall and Latimore was a press corner, won the best to ever do it in like 20 18, 20 19. So they're trying to get players that fit what they want to do. The problem is when they've left better talent there that play other schemes and the ones you bring in aren't working, then you've got a massive issue. So that's kind of where we're at with some of it. I, I'm not giving up on Sandra Seal, by the way. I just feel they're gonna have to figure out how to get the best out of him again, because this season, it's certainly not happening at the moment.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Agreed. Last thing on on this before we get too, too into our draft strategy stuff, but it's an interesting conversation, but that what you just said, Lee, about scheme fit and then prioritizing that, that coupled with what looks to be kind of a best player available rather than positional need choice early, I think has hurt us. Uh, so there's been times when we've taken players. Uh, at positions that you'd, you'd be surprised at give, given the needs. And then those players being a scheme fit over basically guys that can play bare football overall. So I think that combination has maybe hurt a little bit, but as we say, it's early. But, um, talking of Ross.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:take the best players and fit the scheme around them. Don't just get your philosophy and then you take someone that should have gone four hours
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:their attention.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:James, you had something that is related to this, which is around Ross, the building, um, and, uh, taking, you know, bringing people in, um, to try and build out early success and build on last season, and that's around the trade deadline. What did you wanna talk about that. Perfect.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, it's something I was thinking about actually after our call. Then I saw it as actually become a bit of a discussion on Twitter. Um, so the draw, the trade deadline is in about two weeks, I believe. And you know, we obviously have holes, but we don't have a lot of picks. Could we also be sellers? I guess my thing is. Is, is the next two games gonna decide our strategy around the deadline, or do you think they already know what they're gonna be?
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Got a really good question. Um, I think we are, either, we are, I don't think that they're gonna be ultra aggressive at the trade deadline. Like they could have potentially been had we had a, an incredibly bright start to this season that could have, that could have been the case.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:get wins or at least one win out the next two games, do they go and get an edge? at a reasonable price?
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:I doubt
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:I doubt it as well. I don't see it because of the lack of, um, ammunition that we have to do that. I think that's my guess.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:In terms of being sellers,
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah. Who would be.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:that's a possibility. If you get blown out the next two games, the fan base, I think if we lose that Seattle game, I'm just already assuming we lose Monday, but if we lose that Seattle game, I think the fan base will just give up on the season. Now, whether they do or not, I'm not sure because you had Detroit and if you get one win before Madrid, then all of a sudden you can technically get back in it. But it'll be interesting to see in terms of. Players that are potential candidates. I could just list them on one hand though, and there's, there's really one player that would be a big time player that you could probably get good value for.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Sean.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:That would make sense. It would have to be pain, right? It would have to be pain because do they want to pay him again? As in us? Do we wanna pay him again? We've seen what can happen when he gets paid. Even this season, he's had games where it looks like. He is either carrying a knock or his effort is down. Then he has other gains where he is just like Sunday, where he is batting down balls in the backfield for safety and just looks like a first round pick. You know? So it would be tough. I guess it's more on them, have they made a decision what they wanna do with pain in the off season and could it lead to potentially trying to get like a second for him?'cause that would be possible, maybe.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Um.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah. Good shout Lee. I think that's the only one that would have value worth selling. As you say, we've got mostly old players or not very long contracts. Um. So, yeah, unless someone was desperate for like a Frankie Louvre or something like that for like a, a rental, um, yeah, maybe we don't see any action at all really.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:We only have, uh, fe
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Coleman or so Coleman for a fifth or
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah. Something like that. But it's, it's, yeah, it's that sort of building, uh, a number of late round picks rather than anything. Blockbustery, I guess. Um, pain is the obvious one, like you said, Lee. I, I, I, I. To your point about whether, you know, the fan base gives up or then the team gives up. I, they won't, I don't see any scenario in which Quinn and the team, uh, you know, obviously they'd never do it publicly, but even amongst themselves, give up with Jaden healthy. Um, I think you can be three and seven and still consider the season alive with a healthy Jaden and an offense getting healthier. I, I, I just think that they, they, they won't. See it as a lost season in that scenario. Uh, rightly or wrongly, I just think that's the way they'll think. And Quinn is a never side guy. Never say die guy. And, um, that's, that's probably fair. And, and I hope that that's the case if they, where they're at. Um.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:That's true. I mean, if you, you'd have to look around the division a little bit as well, wouldn't you? So if. the Eagles stumble again in the next month the next couple of weeks before Madrid as well, and all of a sudden they're five and four and you know, Dallas lose games on their defense or to, you just to look around the division. Um, because to me, and we don't wanna get too far ahead of ourselves in terms. potential, but to me it feels like we'd have to probably win the division, whether it would like nine or 10 wins to, to get in more likely than than find somehow with a wild card spot, maybe 10 would do it,
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Hmm.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:you pretty much have to run the table one way or another if you lost the next, uh, three games. But yeah, you're right. They wouldn't technically be outta anything,
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Starting that magical run imagery. That's what, that's how it's gonna, that's how the narrative of this season will go. Alright, cool. We've, we've, we've gone a fairly long way. I know we haven't got all night as well. Um, Lee, if you are good now, uh, a look back game against the Kansas City Chiefs, it'd be great to hear about.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Sure. Um, a little bit more underprepared for this one, but, but I'm ready to. Ready to do my segment. And can you remember the rules? Josh? Can you remember the rules? How many losses did I have to be given in a given season?
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Uh, did you just give yourself four? Was it quite low? Yeah.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:four losses. And do you remember the other rule that if Washington with a road team, I had to pick
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, you have to be on, on the road. So this is a, this is is how many, how many losses have you done actually, so far this year? I just trying to think now.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:done two.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Okay, so this is, is this number three?
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Wow. I have no choice. I have no choice. we are, I own a five at arrow ahead all time. So there you
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Uh.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:So I did not, I did not think that that my rules would actually mean that I had no choice. So that's quite good to get one out the way. And I went back to the most recent trip there, 2017, early season. Josh, you're at the opener for this season on an unfortunate loss to the Eagles of FedEx. Uh, we then did win our next two in the Coliseum against the Rams, uh, McVay's, second game coaching for the Los Angeles, and we blew out the Raiders actually on Sunday night football. So we were coming into Arrowhead two and one Alex Smith led chiefs team with three and oh. So it was a pretty big game. Washington Golf to a really fast start. So we were actually, we were six and a half point underdog, so were definitely not favored to go in there and win, but we got to a fast start. Probably his best play as a Washington Redskin Terrell Pryor for a 44 yard. Kurt Cousin's pass into the end zone, some debate whether it was offensive pass interference, no flag, uh, put the skins on the board.
For looking for prior and it is caught. Peters claiming prior pushed off that there is no flag on the play and it's a touchdown for the Washington Redskins 44 yards.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Then we actually went 10 nothing up with a Hopkins field goal. but the chiefs did come roaring back. A one, Travis Kelsey the end zone from Alex Smith. Kelsey looked very good, a little bit faster back then as well, but still gonna be a problem in a couple of days, I'm sure.
First in 10 Kansas City in the Red Zone for the first time tonight. There's the Washington 17 Alex Smith. So the goal line caught in traffic. Touchdown Travis.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Uh, Ryan Grant, Jake Gruden's
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Oh.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:receiver. He score a touchdown to put his 1714 up. Uh, a bunch of field goals from the chiefs in the second half, but then came, came the moment of truth. Cousins was driving us late in the fourth, we were down 20 to 17. I'll never forget this drive. Uh, so it was 47 seconds left. It was third and two cousins goes for it. All from the 22 yard line. A booty of a pass to second year. Wide receiver. Josh Dotson, two hands on the ball. Looks for all the world that is brought it in. But as a camera angle, shas the ground does not control the ball. It spills out, drop, touchdown, catch, which would've put us up by four points with seconds remaining.
Thomson, the running back Kansas City Rush. Four cousins throws to the end zone and it's dropped. Dotson was the intended receiver. Philip Gaines had the coverage, but it certainly looked like a ball that he should have caught. Andon Dotson went up and had it, just couldn't control the catch. And Jordan Reed wanted the football isolated. Outside. He had two steps.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:And Gruden decides to kick the field goal on fourth and two, which would be a contentious decision in the end. we tie the game up 20 to 20, and the chiefs go down. Harrison Bucker 44 yard field goal to win it. And that wasn't actually the end of the score. And we had one of them, you know, they tried to do miracle plays and it's just a fumble and they run it in. So I guess if you were betting on the game, that would've either made you very happy or annoy you.'cause it changed it from a four point win to a 29 to 20 victory. Uh, but we were right in the game and cousins actually threw a beautiful ball. But he did have Jordan Reed wide open in the end zone as well, which he didn't see him. So tough one, but a very competitive loss at Arrowhead. Uh, the Chiefs went onto the playoffs that year under Andy Reed until, Marcus Mariota went in and beat them for the Tennessee Titans in the wild card round,
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Prophetic.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:where he threw a past to himself?
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah,
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:one? Fuck.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Yeah. So, so that's a little hidden, uh, storyline in this,
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Revenge game.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Fred.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Mariota Go. Mariota goes in and beats them. Uh, a young Pat Mahomes is sitting on the bench behind Alex Smith. And then 20 days after that Mariota victory at Arrowhead. Uh, we're on the phone and, uh, Mr. Smith is, uh, Washington Redskin as cousins. Departs. So
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:God,
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:plenty going on with that one.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:great pick. Um, Monday night as well. Monday night Football. Yeah. Monday night football
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:memory.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:as well. So I, I remember this game for two reasons. One was the, um. Was was the way, was the J room decision. Um, and the other one was the crazy ending. Not crazy really. I mean like one of those plays. But it was one of those bad beat situations on it, like you said around it was we were six and a half point underdogs, and then that happened right at the end. Um, yeah. Mahomes rookie year, like you said, sitting behind Smith and then we make what is probably what our second most disastrous trade. And Reed for a quarterback, certainly more disastrous was, uh, the McNabb one, but I, I thought we'd played them since then. Um, there, but obviously not, um, feels like a long time ago now.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Did you say, did you say Harrison Bucker as well? Is that they, they've still got him, haven't they? Isn't he the big, the big,
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:so.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:the big sexist, isn't he? that the, is that the one,
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:I believe he's still their kicker.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:the daft sexist.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:maybe Josh Dawson's career would've gone had he caught that, because that was, obviously he was injured all his first season, wasn't he? And that was in the end zone to probably win it. And it was, you gotta just bring that in somehow. He doesn. And yeah, that would've been a huge win obviously for us.'cause we'd have gone three in
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Hmm.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:uh, not would've knocked them off their undefeated start, uh, one of those seasons where we got decimated with injuries, but we were still kind of in it late until we lost to New Orleans and Chris Thompson got injured, uh, later in the year. But yeah, cousins last year and it was a decent game. we can keep it that close this Monday, I have my doubts.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:And that was the last time that the Washington Redskins played the Kansas City Chiefs in the battle of the, uh, native American indu, uh, imagery.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Yeah, I think we got blown out by the Chiefs at home under Rivera at some
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:We did, yeah. So I was gonna say 2021 Washington football team against the Chiefs 31 13. And 2017 loss there. 29. There's, yeah, so loads of field guys from Bucker. Crazy. They're still there. That's insane. Great. Look back, Lee.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Yeah, I think with, I feel we've got a really bad record, obviously an A FC team, so we don't play'em too often, but believe they're, I believe I've only beaten once, I think they're 10 on one
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:1980. 1983. We'll do, we'll do a quick, a quick run through of the box score in 1983 because I've got it up. Uh, we were 12, nothing down at halftime and then scored 27 unanswered points in the second half. Um, Kansas City scored four field goals in the first half. Uh, and then we had touchdowns from John Riggins, Donny Warren. Another shout out for Warren and Clint Didier. And two Mosley field goals in that one. So that's a, I I'm, I'm stealing your kind of lookback stuff here, but you mentioned that only win as a nice one. 1983.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Course BAE. Free what team?
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Favorite
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah. Nice. All right, cool. let's move to James then and Monday night's game and your matchup matrix for this one mate.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, thanks Josh. Um, could have been quite easy to focus in on our defense, but I've decided to look at a matchup where we could have some success, uh, on offense. The Kansas City Chiefs are one of the worst teams at defending play action. Um, have problems on the interior defensive line, um, the rumor to be buyers for their defensive line, coming up, uh, for the trade deadline. So that's where I'm looking for us to have some success. the defeats they have had as well have been against, um, mobile quarterbacks. Um, Trevor Lawrence is somewhat mobile, um, but he had Justin Herbert. And. Uh, gel and hurt, sorry. And their other defeats. So Mariota Hass looked pretty spry. He's looked pretty quick. Um, so where I'm going with this is, talk about this every week, but establishing the run, they're having some problems on their interior defensive line and we need to set up the play action and get Mariota outside the pocket is where we can have some success. So it's hard to find a weakness on that team and that's where I've kind of found it and I wanted it to fo more focus on something we can do rather than us. Talking about defense again. So that's where I've gone with the matchup matrix and where we can hopefully have a bit of success if, if we can, you know, get some run game going and set up maybe a, a deep shot to Terry at some point.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Well done, James. You've done an excellent job of finding a matrix that is us having positive.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:to find. Uh,
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:They're not, they're actually not one of the best run stuff in teams, are they? Casey? So,
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:I think, I think there.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:our guys back will be on the outside will, if they can't stack the box with that, maybe we'll have some way to move the ball at
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, I think a lot of the time their run stats look better because teams aren't running because they're already down, um, and they're just going past happy, and that's what have a bit more success. So yeah, it's, that's their weakness. It seems. What I could find digging deep. So let's go.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:There we go. Love it.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Nice. I struggled equally. Oh, you didn't struggle. They did a great job, but I did struggle in terms of finding a, we win stat line this week. Um, I actually did do like 45 minutes. I, I, I, I really did like try and find like something, I looked for all the chiefs games this year and a few last year, and I looked for all of ours this year and tried to find something that worked and lined up as a reason. We'll win this game. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna give you a sneak preview. As to my prediction, uh, I don't think that there is one that actually makes much sense. So I've had to go with the only, only scenario in which I think we win this game other than like Mahomes breaking his arm or something. And that is that we win the turnover battle plus three. And I think that that gen genuinely might be the only way we win this game in spite of your, uh, match up there, James, which I think obviously did give you a bit of confidence. Um, I just think the only way we do it is if we take the ball away multiple times and in spots where they were gonna score, you know, probably dead out of score. Um, my confidence in us doing that is not very high. Um, here's a little clip from Joe Witt actually talking about his confidence in that.
We just gotta go get'em, you know? And, um. And we're working every drill trust and believe we're working every drill.'cause I've, I've, like I said, I've been in the league 19 years and I, I, I've never had a op been in a defense where we haven't produced the ball, you know, and, uh, we have to produce the ball. I mean, that's what we've done for a high clip. And, uh, and it is just the confidence to go get it. And then once you go get, you know, catch it and go score with it. So, um, we're getting, we're working every drill to get it done and, um, it, it, it'll start to show. I have full confidence that it will.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:So Joe whi pretty confident that he can suddenly turn it around and that even though he's been, as he said in the league for 19 years and he's always had teams that take the ball away, this is a weird season'cause we haven't, but I don't really have that confidence. But yeah, I think that's probably the only, the only way that this game gets weird is if we keep sort of winning those 10, those turnover battles and, and somehow punch in a few times ourselves. What do you guys think, Lee?
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Yeah, it'd have, it'd have to be game changing in plays and whether that's the chief's making some uncharacteristic mistakes was it, and somehow the script on defense and actually forcing some turnovers. Uh, maybe just some luck changes as well. Like I, you're one of the worst turn turnover teams in the league, you, you have to look at things like game players in position, failing to punch it out. There have been a couple of times we, we've gotta say, I remember Bija Robinson Pain got punched that out, then he, it just fell right back to Pennex and stuff like that is the bounce of the ball, right? So we would just have to have one of those nights where everything bounced our way and Mahomes makes like a terrible decision.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:And the rest of the refs help us.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:The, uh, the rest help us and we can just somehow run the ball. And it's just one of those really weird games. that's my, the only way we win the game if it's a really weird game,
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that's exactly what I was trying to gab. I had to sort of boil it down to a stack. It's like level levels of weirdness isn't really on the stat sheet, but I agree. Totally agree. That's, that's how it gets this, this should get wild and wacky and, and, and one of those, maybe one of those sort of broken games where like it doesn't flow at all. And it's like one of those are horrible to watch when you are the better team, but maybe that could be the case as we're 11 and a half point underdogs.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:I didn't watch the Jags Chiefs game, but that, that's an interesting score to me.'cause that was in KC, wasn't it? Yeah, I think they've probably had their weird and annoying loss for them. I guess they seem to be clicking into all kinds of gears, don't they? Just as like any season, like when we played the Chargers, it often is when you play the team, isn't it? So, yeah, that's, that's probably the, the annoyance that we're, we've, we're catching them when they're seem to be got everything corrected, but who knows? It's funny old game, as they say.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Any given Monday, I guess in this case, uh, James, you, you mentioned you, you haven't got all evening and, and you need to shoot off at some point, so let's give you.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Bigger fish to fry?
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Bigger fish to have you Literally, you are you having fried fish?
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:I haven't.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:No. Rubish Uh, what's your prediction for this one on Monday night Football? I said in, I said in our recap actually, that if, if we haven't got free KC wins as prediction, we need our heads checking. So.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah. Um. you the score first. I'm going 30 to 14. Kansas City. Having said that, I, I've got a feeling it might be weird first half me kind of hang around, make a couple of plays, but then they run away of it second half. Um, I I, if you'd asked me on Monday, I'd have said it'd be about 50 to 10. Um, but yeah, I think. I've, as Lee touched on it, I think it could get a little bit weird, but ultimately they'll have too much for us. They've got, they're fully healthy on offense, everyone's back. Um, so I don't see a way we stop them, as you say, about making some crazy plays. So they'll, they'll score at least their team. We are not gonna be able to do that. So they've got good defense. And if we're chasing, if we're chasing the game, then it's, it's gonna be tough. So, to 14, unfortunately.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:30 to 14, but you said might be close-ish at half time, which means
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:night for you if you are, if you're gonna stay out at 12 o'clock kickoff
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:I'm
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:of the,
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:that'll rope me in that 12
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:yeah.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:you in rather than the one o'clock. So may maybe I'll hang around for a
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah. Uh, Lee, how close are you to James' 30 14 loss.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Pretty close. I actually was gonna give a bit of a game script, and I agree with him. I believe a little bit more in the, uh, the team in terms of not giving up, as you said earlier, under Quinn. So I, I actually, I'm gonna say they come out really fired up, make a few plays, and maybe we score on our first possession as well or something just to kind of keep it interesting.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Madness.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:yeah. No, I, I do, I just feel like at some point they've got a, they've got is, they've gotta do something off the bat, right? So. I'm predicting a very similar kind of game, and I think the Chiefs will be comfortable by the end. They'll take their foot off the gas, a beer, I'm saying 28 to 17 Kansas City, but they could probably have scored way more if they wanted to by the fourth. That kind of game
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:28 to 17, but never kind of in the, in, in doubt towards the end. So one of those ones where like we might score a late one or, or whatever. Okay. Nice. Um, well, not nice, obviously two losses predicted from James and Lee. Uh, and I will make it three. Um, I did, I, I've gone back and forth on like whether this will be like a really weirdly close game. I'll be frustrated about a missed opportunity and or getting blown out completely. Um, it's just not a good time to play The Chiefs who. It's never a good time to play them, but the fact you're going on Monday night football and they've just finally got Rashi Rice back and it looks great, and they just seem to be humming after having like a slow start. I feel like they're gonna hum even more on Monday night. So I, I, I've lent more towards the blowout end, um, and I think that they'll score 35, 38, something like that. I'll stick with 35, um, a 35 to 13. For the Chiefs, and again, probably a late score from us in there. Um, I also think that we might start to see in the second half if things are pretty bad, like I'm predicting, um, some guys taking less reps and less snaps as the game goes on. Especially some of the, the key guys that we're hoping we'll be back, um, like Terry, et cetera. So that's, uh, I'm afraid, guys, I can't be any more positive than that. That's just the way I see it with Mahomes and that offense against j Witch defense.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Josh, I do. I do love, I'm pretty sure the last three games you've called new enough, a blowout one way or the other.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:I did, I did call it 40 to 20 winning against Dallas before.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:think even the Bears one,
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah,
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:was quite a hefty defeat for the bears in your
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:yeah, yeah. I just like, I guess I just like a bit of, bit of chaos, a bit of excitement, chaos, and big scores, which is, I dunno if you're gonna, if you're gonna lose good style, I guess.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:So with that, I've got the over under on you going to Baird before 1:00 AM. I'm gonna say you go to bed at 12:50 AM and if it follows the script that James and I have predicted James is gonna be up to 2:00 AM but then go to bed really frustrated with some angry messages in the
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:with me having a rise smile with it being basically 9 45
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:taking a,
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:And then.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:sip of my Miller Miller light, and also ready to pack it in before the end of the game.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Middle of night.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:then I'll just wake up again at five and then not about to sleep.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:But see Mondays, Mondays are a nightmare for me because I'm in the office on Tuesdays and relatively early on Tuesdays. So I'd get like three hours sleep and have to be commuting, which is never ideal, especially if you then have to record on on Tuesday night, like our recap pod.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:I would say I'm circling Seattle though because this is gonna
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Go on.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:don't care. They're good. I know they're a good team, but that quarterback coming into our stadium, surely
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Lee,
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:do
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Here we go.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:So Seattle is the one that, that's almost the season on the line for me, the Seattle game. So big week on the pod
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Code red.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:putting that out there.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Code red.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Pretty much.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Let's try and get Jay on.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:what do you think you're doing coming in here with all your receivers,
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Can't here and steal the show.
And we're just playing by the rules. You can't have a newcomer come in and steal a show.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:I was, I was circling Detroit my birthday weekend. I think that's the one on a massive high before, before Madrid. That's what I think.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:and even if we lose all of them, you've basically confirmed in my head that the season isn't over. So we're still gonna have a brilliant weekend in Madrid at three and
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah. Yeah. Four and seven of the bi and, and, and the, and the Eagle's floundering. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's not a terrible, decent case scenario at this point.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:we, just, how we scripted it in August.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah. I didn't say 15 and two really.
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:it's nothing. A bit of tapas. Can't
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:True,
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Few mouths.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:today. Two weeks. Today I'll be, I'll be on. British soil ready for the weekend and then ready to head to Spain, so happy days.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Yeah, absolutely. Nice. Cool. Okay. Uh, so a tough one coming up on Monday Night Football, but we, uh, had a, had a good time chatting with you both. Was glad that we were all on together again. Um, and even though we all predicted a loss. You never know. You never know. Uh, any last minute words of wisdom for Joe Whit James heading into this game?
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Pull your head out your ass.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:That's what I wanted to hear
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:the game.
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:the game. Okay, great. Alright, uh, Lee for you.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:Get down to the sideline. It'd be funny
j_1_10-24-2025_180122:Ha just seeing him on the sideline, that'll be fun. So maybe someone will run into him and knock his head back, like Dan Quinn. Sorry, I shouldn't say that. Alright, uh, thanks guys. Uh, until next time, hail
james_1_10-24-2025_180122:Hi.
ledders_1_10-24-2025_120122:ha.