Hail on Three
Three fans, two continents, one team. Hail on Three brings together Josh Edwards, James Barker and Lee Edwards to talk Washington Commanders football—the good, the bad and the downright baffling. Expect game talk, guests, hot takes and plenty of side tangents. Whether we’re winning or rebuilding (again), we’re along for the ride.
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Week 9 Preview Show - Commanders vs. Seahawks on SNF, and Art Monk tribute
Lee and James Halloween two-hander to discuss the Seahawks game on Sunday Night Football, including a lengthy tribute to Art Monk who is having his number retired on the night:
- It's not over until it's over
- The Terry McLaurin injury nightmare
- Lee's lookback focusing on Art Monk
- James Matchup Matrix
- Game predictions
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ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Hello Sports fans and welcome to another episode the HA on Free podcast. As we look ahead nine already in the NFL season, I'm coming to you from the us. My name is Lee, and of course I'm joined. By my friend James over in the uk. A two-hander today. James, happy Halloween. How are you?
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Happy Halloween Lee. Spooky season is here. Um, I'm sure. You've got stuck into it over there, um, as evidence from a a, a photo you sent us yesterday. Um, not much. Where you going on here for it? I tend to avoid it where I can, uh, particularly the tubes, um, on Halloween, in London. Um, and it's also spooky season in terms of what's happening with our team at the moment, which we'll get into.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Yes. We'll get into, I'm sure, scary Terry will be a topic of conversation today. yeah, just Americanized rubbish, isn't it? Halloween. Uh, no, it is, it is good fun actually, to be honest. I know it's bigger in the UK now, but they do go all out over here. And my office yesterday part took and said festivities. I did send you a quick photo of my effort for a costume, which was easy and simple, but, but went down rather well. So it was Jaden Daniels jersey, and I just borrowed someone's crutch and there you go. A costume.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:So sorry. So who's crutch?
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:somebody
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Did they not need it? Or you, did you, did you push someone over and steal their crutch or?
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:around in the office that's had an ACL injury or something playing sport, isn't there? So I, I, I remembered someone had one last year and I was like, do you still have your crutch? And I was like, yeah, I'll just steal that. So there was very limited effort went into it, but it was a bit of the old gall's humor from a Washington fan, but it went down quite well. it, you know, it just works as a costume. There was people that went all out, of course. I mean, the effort that goes into this stuff, I don't really know how people find the time, but, but fair play. Um, it's good fun. I actually do enjoy Halloween over here. I've done some of the haunted houses and stuff back in the day. Uh, I will not be about trick or treat as a, on my high rise apartment, which is, which is good because I don't have buckets full of candy to be dishing out either. Um, so. So, yeah, I, I'm not too worried about that, which is, which is fine, but yeah, I don't, I don't mind Halloween. Ready. It does signal the start of the broader holiday season as we get into November with Thanksgiving. Not too far away. Now at Thanksgiving, it's the time when you, as a Washington fan, at all sorts of horrible things historically, like draft picks. Like what should we do to play out the season? We didn't think we'd have to
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Hmm.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:this year. But,
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:here we are at three and five. A little bit the brink, shall we say. We're gonna talk about Seattle a lot today on the preview show. But just to start, is this game for you? The absolute code, red flashing, code red game. We
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yep.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:to pull it
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yep. Hundred hundred, a hundred percent. This is the season for me. Don't mean to be dramatic, but this is, this is the season. I don't think we'll have a better chance to get, um, our season back on track. You don't wanna be going off a defeat heading to a game against Detroit, which you, you know, is tough enough as it is. Um, we've got the throwback unis, we've got Art Monk retirement jersey. I really hope. People haven't sold their tickets off the back of poor performances. Um, because I think this is one where we have to have the atmosphere rocking and it really is, as you say, is, is code red for me this one.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:You've teed me up quite nicely actually,'cause I was gonna start the podcast with not a rant per se, but more, an more a little observation here and. As fans, we get awfully frustrated when there's injuries. There's nothing more frustrating, is there,'cause it's, it's not a controllable from our perspective. when you look at the injury situation this year, you can say it's not an excuse next man up, et cetera. But it's for sure a reason and it's been at least 12 starters. A lot of our best players. It just seems when we get someone back, someone else goes down. And that has been a bit of the story of the season for me. That said, I'm just looking at social media and that's probably not always the best way to, to, to judge the overall perspective of the fan base, especially after, um, some losses back to back or free straight losses. It is now, isn't it? Um, and it's just, there's so much talk about next season, about drafts, about being sellers and all this stuff, and to me, I dunno about you, it just seems like. wait so long for the season to start and this team gave us so much last year on Monday night, I thought they gave us a hell of an effort for at least the first half. we just not wait until it's like officially over now? That might be right around the corner. It may not be, people that, these accounts that I see, they're the ones that will tweet nonstop about the team. They'll tweet about the Senior Bowl in late February, and Adam, Pete is down there and who he should be looking at yet. Here we are. In a week where on prime time Sunday night football, a chance to get one game off 500 and everyone's chucked the towel in already. I dunno, it just seems a little bit
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Hmm.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:to me. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm, maybe they're just being realistic, but what, what do you feel on that?
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah, no, I'm with you. As you say, you wait for this season so long. You can't, I'm not ready to just sack it off after two months when you spent. You know, 10 months waiting. Um, and you know, I can't e even, even when it's dead, I still wanna win games, even if the season is over. It's just kind of how you are as a fan. I dunno how fans then start thinking, oh, you know, I'm looking forward to the draft. Like, we have four months of build up to the draft anyway. We don't need to be doing that now. Um, and as you say, I think this, um, we've obviously had our moans, but, but this team, um. This new regime has money in the bank, credit in the bank, um, and they deserve our backend until it's officially, officially done. And I don't doubt them being able to turn it around. Um, you know, things change quickly. If they look at the Ravens, um, they're obviously in a much easier division, but you know, they suddenly had two, they suddenly got healthy and had two wins on the bounce. You know, they're charging again. So it, it changes quickly. And we do need people to get healthy. We do need something to change. It might just, sometimes it just takes one big play in a game or, and, well, in this instance, one big win I think would really change our season.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:it'll massively change the media if we win on Sunday.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:I.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:it's a big if I get it, but. To me, if I hadn't have sinned, and if we hadn't have seen that performance in SoFi from Jaden Daniels, maybe I'd be feeling a little bit different about it. But the glimpses have been there, and that, that day, I thought he was his old self. He still had the knee brace on by the way that day. But he was laughing. He was playing football. He looked like Jaden Daniels again. So to see that I just, I don't know, are we just one big Jaden Daniels performance away from coming back? And suddenly feeling a lot different about this season. So look, I, I get who we're, we're about to face and you know, I completely get it. If we lose on Sun Sunday, would then have to the lions and the Dolphins to suddenly clowe back in, which would be an even tougher ass with Detroit. But just not in that place to kind of throw in the towel as early as some other people maybe. And I, I think a lot of it's
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:isn't it? And but. No one should have gone into Monday night thinking we're gonna win that game. And I actually, I'll just chip in briefly. As obviously wasn't on the pod, um, Tuesday, I thought it was a very valiant effort. And I am the last person in sports for moral victories. But when you're playing at Arrowhead with your backup quarterback, I thought first half, we were brilliant, to be honest, but we didn't capitalize. So we didn't make the, we didn't make the most of the opportunities. That was tough to watch with the, you know, the de thing, that first drive, I, I, that would look like our best first drive of the season, to be honest. And we were just walking down
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Hmm.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:field at Arrowhead and, know, as soon as that happened I was like, oh my God. And then Lamore comes up big and it was just one of those games where another night, if it was 21 7. We still may have lost that game because it's Patrick Mahomes. Uh, but at seven Seven I knew that we were gonna lose the game. I just couldn't, I didn't think we had a chance at that point because I think we had opportunities. But I was, I was pleased that they at least tried some stuff, um, defensively. And I thought they, they were playing really hard, which gave
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Hmm.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:some encouragement for.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah, and you're right. Just things like that Deebo thing. Just things like things just aren't bouncing our away, whether it's injuries or little things in the game. And when Lamore had a chance at Fumble, that was probably on him. But again, it didn't fall quite for I properly. It's almost like we're paying for a few of those lucky plays last year. Um, it seems like the universe is right in itself, but the luck has to turn at at some point. Um, and it starts with at least having Jane Daniels on the field who I, you know, he's practicing fully. Um, and that tells me he's a hundred percent because this coaching staff has shown they won't put him out there unless he is. Um, so that is my hope.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:I wanted to to talk about that briefly. Um, Jayden Daniels traveled to Kansas' City as well. I found that relatively interesting. I know some people were having a pop at Territ.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Same.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:yeah, a puppet, Terry earlier in the year for not traveling and all this stuff. They, they were actually team decisions as far as I know. probably some sports science if you're in recovery about not getting on a plane, um, and standing on the sideline to
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Hmm.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:on a plane a couple of hours later. So they didn't go to Atlanta. Debo hasn't traveled before as well. So in that sense, was pleased to see him there
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:that means they're pretty
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:If you've got a.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:him playing.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah, yeah. If you've got a significant hamstring injury, you can't really be sitting on a plane for, I dunno what, how long that journey is. But even if it's a, just a few hours, like tighten up your hand hamstring, like it's not really worth it. So,
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:I think they're, I
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:um, I think I got the impression from what he said. He, he would really want to play in that like he always does and he probably feels like he could have, um, hopefully, um. They made the right decision and he is ready for this week.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:I did listen to his presser yesterday when I got home from the, uh, Halloween fun, and it was about seven minutes. He really doesn't enjoy them, does he? He doesn't say a lot. I wouldn't say he looks awkward, but he just doesn't want to be there either. really like, articulate, but he'll just keep it short and simple and kind of get back to, to the practice field and he, he basically almost said he was feeling good enough to play so good stuff on Jade and Daniel's. I believe he'll be back out there. Everything is trending towards him playing. That's gonna lead us into another, a little segment though in, in terms of what you wanted to touch on and what a lot of the fan base are feeling frustrated about. McCluen has been ruled out. He has only been on the field for a game twice this season with Jayden Daniels, which would've been the first two games of the season. McCluen almost teasing us with some great catches on Monday night, but now out again on that catch where he extended down the sideline. Where are you on McClarin in this just nightmare of a, I don't even wanna say a season, just an off season into the season at this point.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah, I, I think it is a lost season for him. Um, I've said I don't wanna talk too much about the preseason again,'cause we covered that. Every week for about six months and the holdout. But we did say at the time, history suggests you're probably not gonna play the full season, um, when you've held out that long. Um, but aside from that, it seems like it's been mismanaged. He could have been on ir. Um, and what, what is this in, you know, what is it? I mean, because he can't have been fully healthy because. He wasn't out there on really important third downs. Um, so I, I just think the whole thing's been mismanaged and I'm, I'm pretty annoyed about it. Um,'cause I think it is a lost season and Dan Queen comes out and says, oh, we don't think it's gonna be long term. Well, it already has been long term. Generally if you reinjure something, you're not gonna then come back. In a week when you've been out for a month from it in the first place. So we don't really even know what this injury is. Obviously don't have to tell. You know, they want to keep their cars close to the chest. All these teams do, um, as the Ravens tried to do last week. Um, yeah, it's really frustrating and I wouldn't be surprised if in a week's time he's put on ir and that's kind of curtains.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Yeah, it's frustrating for sure. problem I have with it is we were kind of, you can't obviously go into a game thinking that, and they went out full of energy, played really well, gave the chiefs because they could handle for at least a half there. But if you were being cautious with Jaden, knowing he had these two, two home games on deck realistically. The answers are very much stacked against you in kc then why are
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Terry out there if he's not? You know,
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:I guess it's hard.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:If you're keeping, if you're keeping Jaden out, you may as well keep Terry out at that point. If only, if he's not a hundred percent. But we were led to believe he was a hundred percent because we thought there's no way they'd put him out there with Marcus Mariota, uh, in Kansas City when were a short week. But they did, and he's injured again.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Yeah, and we look, we, we kind of just. Putting two and two together. We're not there. We're not in the building. We didn't have medical degrees. We don't know. But all you can say is that he's re
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Speak for yourself.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:true, true. all you can say is that he's re reaggravated it, um, soft tissue and maybe you don't know until you're running full speed. And an NFL field, if that's. Possible to happen. But what I would say is if
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:a chance of another seven days rest going into a must win game at home on Sunday, I would not have had him out there. And look, it's easy to say that hindsight, but if there was any risk at all, just wait the week because you're, your quarterback isn't out there. You're not gonna win the game, and you have to win Sunday. Yeah, I don't know it, we don't wanna go back over the summer of, but I can't see him and proclaim that wouldn't have happened against the Raiders if he had a full training camp.'cause you, you don't know. Maybe he is just been unlucky this year, but. What we do know is he barely missed a game, and this was the first summer he, he didn't have a training camp. Right? So can only speculate that based on the facts that we know and just a disaster of a season after a disaster of a PR summer for both Terry and potentially the team. But again, we didn't need to go. Don't need to go into the details of that. We said what we thought at the time. But yeah, just a real shame because even being out there Monday night with Mariota, he did show. What he can do on the field as a receiver that none of them other receivers can get close to doing in terms of, you know,
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:captures. So,
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:And.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:disappointing.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:just quickly on, on that, uh, is just a side note. It is quite annoying that every catch Terry seems to have to make is always just ridiculously difficult. There's never any easy layups for him that, that has been my frustration with this. But that's another, that's a whole nother thing. But
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:I.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:we did touch on that the other day about getting the ball into a best player's hands.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:I mean, just difficult is the, basically the word of the season at the moment, isn't it? And even offensively we
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:we've never really looked our fluid best this year, even though we've had our, had our moments, including a couple of drives first half of the other night. But yeah, we'll see at this point with the injuries that just pile up or keep getting reaggravated. this point, there's only one man that's saving a season and that's five. So seeing him out there on Sunday gives us a, a
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Oh, sorry, I, I thought you were gonna say Chris Moore or Tray on Becks.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Sorry. I was gonna say Robbie Chazen, actually, he actually chosen, got for back on the I. Yeah.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah, he's back because he, he, he traveled with them and he was with them. He traveled back with him on the plane and they basically just resigned him like after the game, so, yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:so Chris Wright probably had a one-way ticket into Casey and Chazen had the return with the team probably. It's
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:very weird that kind of year, isn't it? But they obviously, I mean to be.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:That felt that, that all felt like us during, that felt like us during like 2020 or 2021.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:I've gotta say, to be fair to, to, is it, I don't know much about the guy, was his name formerly Robbie Anderson or something? Is that what Josh was saying?
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:It was, yeah. And then he had, he had a good stint for a while and then seemed to just, I dunno, you know, he peered out and then just changed his name. I dunno, maybe he thought that might help,
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:gonna
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:but
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:chosen
I am the chosen one. Somebody had to do it. And you know what? We are winning.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:that's, dunno.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:I knows Josh. So I thought Robbie Cha played quite well against Dallas. To be fair, he looked like a, he looked like an NFL wide receiver, if nothing else. He caught some,
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Hmm.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:which hasn't been very easy for us at times this year. So.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:To be fair, I, I, I joke, I joke about Trayvon Burkes. I wonder if he does get activated, um, this week.'cause he, he was a first round pick, right? He was meant to replace AJ Brown, famously for the Titans, and he had some injury problems in Tennessee. So maybe there's something there. Um, but it'd be interesting to see if he's activated this week,
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:been on the team or practice squad or whatever. He's been in the, in the building a
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:a couple of weeks now.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:that will be interesting.'cause as you say, he was a first round pick. It never happened for him down in Nashville, but he never had a quarterback. But he was someone who could never, I did
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Hmm.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:at his career stats when we did make that move. He is someone who's never stayed healthy ever either, like literally ever, never stayed
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah. Fits in nicely.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Great culture guy to have around.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:At least he's not old though. He is. He's not old though.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:young. So that's, I that is true. Um, but yeah, that, that was our intro, I guess to the podcast before we get onto. So my lookback segment, a special lookback this week. Um, yeah, so not a rallying call to the fan base, but yeah, let's just enjoy the weekend and the game and get behind the team and see what happens. And then we can all have the discussions over the next couple of weeks if it doesn't go away. Uh, some Terry frustrations, of course, but talking of Washington wide receivers, and guys were obviously running on empty the other day. I mean, staying up and then doing a podcast or credit to you, but. I think Art Monk's Jersey is actually being retired this weekend, which is amazing because this guy the franchise has just been an all, all time. Great. Of course. And I'm gonna do my look back segment differently this week. So I'm gonna talk solely about Art Monk and his career in Washington, rather than pick a game against Seattle. And what I will say though, briefly, just to give us a little history, Washington are up in the series against the Seahawks. So there you go. 13 and seven. So maybe something in our favor going into Sunday, see. Um, but our, our monk was, uh, a first round pick for the skins in 1980, he played seasons for the franchise. But I wasn't around in the early eighties, but Joe Fiman was. So let's hear t talk about his favorite target in those early Gib years.
Number 81 Art Monk Surprise. No one recording another excellent season, and his potential appears limitless. Art monk's talents have yet to be even scratched. He's faster than most people. He's bigger than almost any wide receiver in the National Football League. He has exceptional concentration powers in traffic, and I always say to him, if I get a one-on-one situation art, I'm gonna put the ball up. You go get it, and nine outta 10 times he will come down with it. He's our key receiver. There's no question about it. He's the man who we go to when we have to have something. He likes pressure. He handles pressure exceptionally well. He loves to beat people one-on-one. He's got an inward drive that you don't see in a lot of young men.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:There we go. So well, better person than Joe Fiman to explain what arc mon meant to him those days. And that was Joey t talking back in those early eighties years. So he was the number one target off the bat. the Redskins in the Great Super Bowl teams back then, and anyone who's watched Art Monk or his tape, or basically any NFL fan ever who was watching games in the eighties, just knew that guy was not someone that was necessarily gonna burst past you on the outside, but if you put the ball up to him, he was just gonna catch the ball. It was a bit of a cheat code. And James, I don't know if you can kind of think of an example. In terms of sports, right? If you are wherever sport really, if you know something is coming from the team and you can't stop it, that must be the most demoralizing thing ever in sports, right? So it was literally every third down, they just put the ball up and he'd catch the ball, like literally. So nothing really you can, you can do to stop it. Uh, but he, he held some incredible receptions, well, not just for Washington, but for the NFL in general. He broke all kinds of records. a lot of these records have of course, been broken'cause we've had more gains. We've had Right. Great wide receivers after him in the nineties and the two thousands. So Jerry Rice broke a lot of these records, but at the time he held them and including, uh, in 1984, he held the NFL record for receptions in a single season. With 106, let's hear Charlie Cassidy and then some commentary for that moment as he caught the hundred and sixth ball against the Cardinals in 1984.
When you think about some things with art, mk, back in 1984, we caught over a hundred balls. Nobody did that back then. Back is Theisman. Straight drop steps up, fires it down the far side. He's got it complete. The month there's a record in the 30, he's down on the 20, inside the 20 and Alabama to the 17. Art MK has just broken the National Football League record for receptions in a single season, and he did this. The two things. Number one, a running football team. This was a running football team first, and he did it without ever having a Hall of fame quarterback all.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:So there we have it. In 84 he caught over a hundred balls, which was an NFL single season receptions record at the time and back in 84. There was no one that really caught a hundred balls during a season. Washington were also a run first team with the hogs. And John Riggin say, to have that many receptions in a single season was just unbelievable. Uh, that was also a career best for him. In 84, he had, uh, 1,372 yards again for a run first team in the eighties. Uh, seven touchdowns. And then, yeah, so Monk had obviously the 80, early eighties Super Bowl, the first for the franchise under Gibbs in 82. And then he was also part of the team in 87 that won the Super Bowl. And then he was also part of the team in 91 that won the Super Bowl. So he was on the roster. Very much a focal point of the team for all three Super Bowls with different quarterbacks. And I'm just gonna go through. Some of the records that he actually held or just his overall records. So listen, listen to these for a player, Jane, the receptions he had in Washington. 888. 8 88 receptions. Okay. Receiving yards. 12,026 re receiving touchdowns 65. Games played 205 franchise leader. He holds the Washington Records, Washington record for career receptions and career receiving yards. he obviously set, as I just mentioned, set the single, uh, season NFL record in 84, um, in 1990 against the Detroit Lions. He had a team record with 13 receptions in the game. this is, this stat plays my mind. In consecutive games. This was a record at the time as well until it was broken, I believe, by Jerry Rice. He caught 183. He caught a pass in, at least he caught a pass in 183 consecutive games,
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:What.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:so he played 205 games. He was barely ever injured, but in 183 consecutive games, he caught a ball. Can you imagine?
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:That is insane.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:insane. just an incredible, incredible career. He was the best fur down NFL receiver, I'm gonna say of all time when you just look at the stats, but maybe there's some that. Post Monk that you could, you could challenge that. But if there was a third and 15, you could literally, whether it was Joe Fiman, whether it was Doug Williams, whether it was Mark Griffin, you could literally just put the ball up and a monk would tower over the, the cornerback and come down with it. free sweep of our rings of us said, now he was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2008. That was a bit controversial because it took so long to get him in. He should have been basically. In straight away as soon as he was eligible. This probably goes to anti Snyder hate back then already within the NFL because obviously Snyder was, owning the team once he could be inducted. But yeah, ArtMark an incredible career. My only story I will mention briefly from a personal standpoint, it's, I was very lucky to meet. Gary Clark at one of the Redskin rallies around 10, 11 years ago on the road. And Gary Clark, obviously a former teammate, had two Super Bowl rings himself was a wide receiver with the Redskins, uh, great all time Redskin receiver. had two minutes with him, had a quick beer with him, and I was like asking him at all the questions that came to mind. And I remember him just mentioning Art Monk about five times in that like 92nd conversation, whether it been just like. Someone that you looked up to knew would be a leader, just someone that you knew would be a model professional. Like he just embodies everything about a professional athlete and for the position he played. was not a rah rah guy. He was very kept to himself. He was just a gentleman. He didn't really like the media. He just let his, uh, talking, do it on the field. Say someone that I always watch the tape. Back with a lot in terms of, growing up supporting the team. Someone that my dad would talk about constantly as a was Redskin great. And someone that I remember in the very early days of listening to the, to the radio games back in the early nineties as being mentioned. So very much deserved. Um, retirement on Sunday will only be sixth or seventh, um, Washington Red Skin, let me pull that up actually, that. Um, Jersey would be retired. Sean Taylor was obviously the last one. Lemme just pull that up.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Long overdue then.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:I mean, there's probably an argument. It could be Riggins and that will be the next one within probably five or 10 years. But Riggins and Monk, other ones that, um, that need to be, need to be there. So yes, we have Sammy B number 33. Bobby Mitchell, 49. Sean Taylor, 21. Sonny Jergenson nine, which was recent, right? That was against Dallas I think a few years ago. Uh, Darryl Green, 28, and now it'll be, art Monk will become the sixth. So this is not something that any team just does. Obviously one, you'd run out of numbers, but you have a lot of people that you get induct into your own ring of fame, et cetera. There's some teams that don't do it, weirdly. I don't. They just have them protected, but teams that do it would have under 10. so this will be the sixth for Washington. And it does add a lot to the weekend of the night. Everyone that's known him, everyone from a different era, support of the team will obviously be a special night for them. Remembering, um, art Monk and the, the great player
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Hmm.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:for the franchise. So, God, I won't, I won't be there, um, on this one, just too close to Madrid unfortunately. But that with the Super Bowl throwback jerseys Sunday night football under the lights, it should be a pretty special occasion there. So let's hope that. The fan base show up in, in huge numbers. And, if nothing else, whatever happens on the field that night, pay tribute to just an amazing player for the franchise. Uh, so Monk, congratulations to him and Jersey Retirement.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah, my only sort of, my first knowledge of Art Mon was when I first, probably a couple years after I got into NFL, um. I bought the book Hail to the Redskins by Adam Lazarus, I think. And, um, art Monk was constantly spoken about in that one. So that was my kind of early reference of him. Um, obviously not, wasn't able to watch at the time, but yeah, it's, it's good. But my, my question to you is, Lee, he's in the building on Sunday. Do you reckon he could still suit up for us? We need the help.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:probably, at this point. Um, I mean, yeah, it's just some of those numbers that you just talk about though, it's just incredible, isn't it? Like catching 3 consecutive games, catching a ball, consecutive. Um, we can't get receivers to play eight consecutive games at the moment, so it is. Just unbelievable. And as I said, like they, was probably in the top one or two, you know, conversation name, at least for the best receiver of the 1980s. Like just played the whole decade. Um, so incredible. And just one of the few players that obviously get all free championship rings for Washington. So yeah, super excited for him. Riggins will no doubt be next. I'm guessing that within the who knows, maybe they'll wait in the stadium, I dunno. But. imagine that will happen sometime soon Yeah, but the throwback jerseys, they've picked a good night forever. They, so that should look, that should look cool. It should be a good
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah,
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:And Seattle their throwbacks, which I actually quite
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:yeah,
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:those old school Seahawks
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:yeah. No. Fuck'em.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Yeah. Actually I was gonna, I was gonna say,'cause Seattle where. Our record over them was like 13 and seven. As I mentioned, you probably can't remember Seattle ever being a bad team. Can you, since you like, actually liked NFL
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:No, not, not until, not until Reese. Well, the past few years they've been a bit poor, haven't they? But
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:bounced back
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:this is definitely their best. It's definitely the best they've looked in a, in a few years. I think you the, you went to a game there a few years ago where you pulled out a win somehow.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Yeah, it was that 27,
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Was that right?
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:game when we had, um. No offensive lineman Josh.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:was it.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Josh Dotson caught probably his most
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:That was it. Yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Yeah. He caught ball dived to the two yard line and Rob Kelly ran it in. So yeah, we, I've seen this win there. I've seen this
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:I.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:actually a great. environment, to be fair the, uh, Pacific Northwest, but Seattle, one of those weird markets, they were, they were reporting, that's why I referenced it. They were a poor team until Russell Wilson came along from memory. They had some years where they were decent, I think, but they weren't, you don't see them talked about a lot back in the day. But yeah, they come to town and they look at a strong outfit, don't they? Now obviously. Defense was always their, their mantra when they had the Legion of Boom and Russell Wilson, they, had those great years under Carol Dan Quinn, obviously involved over there at one point in time as well. And they've now got the, uh, defensive orientated head coach. He's doing a, doing a great job, but they have Sam Donald on the other side. Let's talk about Sunday then, and James, let's get into your matchup matrix.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Thank you Lee. Um, yeah, there's a few ways it could have gone on this one. Um. They have some really dangerous players. I mean, I could have spoken about how we match up against Jackson Smith and Jig Bear, who is possibly the number one wide receiver in the league at this moment, um, on pace to potentially shatter the receiving, uh, record. Um, but I wouldn't know where to start with that'cause he's gonna be all over the field and causing us problems. Um. One thing I wanna notice before I go into this as well. Cooper Cup popped up on the injury report yesterday. Um, he was full practice Wednesday, limited with a hamstring on Thursday. That might just be maintenance. Um, Cooper Cup is I think on the injury report every week for the past five years, and he usually gets out there, but he's really important for what they do. His stats aren't popping, um, but he's very important. Um, in terms of blocking and taking attention away to get Jack Smith and jig more open as well. So we'll keep an eye on that. Um, but what I've gone with is, um, the matchup with Deebo Samuel, um, out of the slot against Seattle defense. So Seattle defense has performed very well, um, for the most part this year. I think that's mostly understood, particularly, uh, stronger against the rum. However, since week four, um, Seattle has given up the seventh most receiving yards per game, um, to receivers out the slot. So, um, we know that's where we're gonna have to find some success. And we've spoken about getting the ball into our best receivers hands. We haven't got Terry out there. I'm not saying this will happen, but it's what we should be looking to do in my opinion. Looking at the matchup here, getting the ball to Debo Samuel, um, Seattle will also have a safety out Julian love. It's quite an important piece. Um, have been a little bit banged up on defense, a few coming back, but Julian love is likely to still, um, be looking out for this one. So I think they're pa we can throw on them. I think we are gonna struggle to run. They're have to get really creative if we want to run on them. Um, I'm not sure what the answer is there'cause we struggle to run anyway, let alone against a, a solid, uh, run defense. So if we can get, if Deebo matched up where they're struggling, uh, maybe we can have a bit of success. Um, because, you know, we, we haven't really got anyone stretching. Field for us. Um, it's gonna be tough. I'm not saying we are gonna actually be able to do this and have success, but that's where I think, um, we need to be looking, um, to get the ball moving up the field.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Yeah, David Samuel. Or is gonna be a key factor. No doubt. I like that, James. Thanks for that. I, he hasn't really had a game, has he? In terms of, at least a positive way since, uh, SoFi, since the
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah. My con, yeah, my con, my concern is still his health. I know he is not been on the injury report, but um,
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Yeah. I mean, obviously he, he was a complete non-factor. Uh, a couple of times. And then he was out, wasn't he against Dallas? I think so. gonna have to, if he's looked relatively healthy and Jaden Daniels has played, he's looked really good though. So this is like,
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:yes. Yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:the hope has to be for, So, I mean, curly wasn't on the report at least and limited, so that's good. yeah, I, I dunno if he's fully
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Do you say.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah, you're right. I mean, looking back, I have my, on my fancy team at the moment, so I quickly look back at where he kind of had big games and, and not. It is in the games where he has played with Jaden. He's been healthy. The one down game he's had with Jaden was when he was off the back of that hill where I'm not sure he was completely healthy. Um, and who knows, he might not still be healthy, we dunno. Um, no one's really healthy at this time of the season, so we'll see. But he's our best receiver. He is gonna be our best weapon out there. So, um, that's, that is where we're gonna have to find some success.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Yeah, we're just gonna have to get really creative. It's not gonna be a problem to be part.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Or, or, or it does or it doesn't have to be him. Right? You can get someone else schemed up in the slot. Um, but yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:have to get really creative, aren't you? It's gonna have, it's gonna be past heavy. I agree with that. Like I, I at least wanna show the run, them thinking about it. But you got, after the last couple of
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:you do worry when you, they're the best in the league, I believe, on yards per carry in terms of
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Hmm.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:give up.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:I guess I, I guess also Daniels hasn't been a threat at running the ball. Well, he is not been out there. Um, his last productive, like that game against the Chargers fields a million years ago, uh, where we ran all over them. Maybe, um, I'd have to check. I'm not sure how many dual threat quarterbacks Seattle has played, but, um, surely having Daniels there might open up the running game for us a bit more. Um. At least again, I think you spoke about this when you, before you came back for the Chicago game, let's show, maybe let's get Daniels on a design run early on just to kick'em on their toes. Yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Yeah, no, I'd agree with that as well. Look, this is a game to leave it all out there, isn't it? This isn't the game to micromanage and worry about if Jaden will misses a couple of weeks if it like, you have to go and win the football game. So we've gotta do what we need to do to try and win it all in for Sunday, basically. Uh, empty the playbook, empty the tank, do what you need to do. gonna have to come up with a creative game plan. But I'm, I'm confident in Cliff to do that. Like I was a little bit critical of him on Monday, not running the ball as much. Looking back, I maybe went a little bit hard on that. We, there just wasn't the openings there. And then I did hear some. Some film breakdown that it wasn't the best outing for our tight ends, et cetera. So we may, maybe we did need to get, um, passing the ball as much as we did. There was still a few questionable ones, I think. But e either way you've gotta show the run. You've gotta at least try it. But getting creative in the past game with Jaden Daniels is, is gonna be the key.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:I'm just looking at who Seattle played so far. Like, they haven't played anyone like Daniels. Um, it's.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:they haven't beaten, they haven't beaten like top teams today. Someone was saying that to me.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:No. So they, so they, so they've, they lost to the Niners. Um, they lost to the Steelers. They beaten the saints. They beat the Cardinals lost to the Bucks. They beat the Jags. Um, there's no dual threat quarterbacks in there. I wouldn't count. Kyle Murray's one these days. He doesn't really seem to, um, run with the ball match. So they, they've not beaten any big hitters. Um, is what I would say.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Yeah, great point. That gives us a little bit of confidence and. Look, they do have the better defense. There's no doubt about that. They have the best receiver on the field playing, at the end of the day,
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yes. Okay.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:versus Jaden Daniels, that gives us a chance. Right. Especially on our own field. You would, you'd have to say, so just hoping that, that our star man can come free, that that's gonna be the, the key and get
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:No, no doubt about it. But yeah, look,
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah,
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:it's one of those games where. Do they come off the by super prepared, ready to go? Or does it break up your rhythm when you're a winning football team? Sometimes it's, you know, maybe there's, it
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:yeah. Hmm.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:can sometimes be favorable, but not, not always. Teams do, haven't been known to come out a little bit flat, sometimes have to buy so. We'll see. I think
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah,
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:us, that six days doesn't help. Does it Like the rest advantage is significant for Seattle, so that, that does frustrate me a little bit.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:to be fair, at this point, I think when you're losing games like that, you, you, you just want the next game as soon as possible.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:true.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Um, so I don't think they're mi, I don't think they're mind as quick turnaround. They'll be out for it, getting back at home and just trying to right some wrongs and get a win on the board quickly.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Yeah, percent. hundred percent. Um, I not sure if Josh is gonna edit in his stat line. He will probably edit in a prediction, I guess, but we'll see. Um, we'll go onto our predictions then. I'm gonna go over to you first. James, I'm gonna go over to you first. What, what, what do you think?
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Okay.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:like on the fence with heart and head again. So what do, what do you think, James? hear
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Yeah, so. So let me just lay this out to you in this process. So up until, I would say up until yesterday afternoon or last night, I had Seattle beating us 24 21. However, I listened to a little rallying call from Mr. Kevin Sheehan, um, yesterday. Um, and that has flipped it for me. So I'm flipping that result. Same score. I'm going Washington 24. Seattle 21 in a must wing game, and then suddenly everything is possible again.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:I like to hear it. I like to hear it. Um, I've been on, I've been on the fence a little bit with this one. Again, look, my head does say, Seattle beat us because they're gonna be well rested. They've got a significantly better defense. I dunno. It is, it's tough for me to see us winning a game just in just how I feel about the, the team and where they're at and just the outside noise a little bit, but. I can't sit here and do 10 minutes on a monk and the throwback jerseys and the seas on the line and predict a
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Come on, Lee. Come on.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:stuff in. It just puts bad stuff out there, doesn't it? So I'll go with the heart as well. Um, I, I generally don't know. I, I do think it'll be a really close game and we are due to win a close game. We lost the close game at home last time,
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Hmm.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Jaden Daniels comes through 27 24. A late field goal wins it. And the mood is very different on Monday. There you go. That's my prediction. 27 24.
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:Nice. I like it. Um, I, it's gonna be a close game. Um, we've had a couple of blowouts the past couple games, which have not been fun. Um, so looking forward to this one. I doubt I'll be staying up for it, but I'll be up early Monday to watch it back. And, um, I, you know, this is. Is to me, this is the season.'cause you've also got the trade deadline on Tuesday, right? So I think this game will decide how we approach that. Um, if we win a game, maybe there's been, I've seen, you know, all the, all the big ones, chef to rap, rap sheet, they're all talking about who's looking at trades and stuff. We are sniffling around edge, which I guess would do if we win this game. I don't think it like a big deal, but you know, we need some, if we win this game, they're gonna have to look to add something somewhere, something cheap. Um, if we lose, maybe they sell a couple of pieces. So it's a big game.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:Oh God. The pressure on this game, I can't take it already. I'm already a nervous wreck because flying out to Europe next
jamesd_2_10-31-2025_131320:I.
ledders_2_10-31-2025_081319:and then the lions on deck before Madrid is Madrid. Just gonna be a really good friends, meet up, great fun, watch them football get together. Or is it gonna be with the season still in play? So a lot on the line this Sunday. Let's back the team. Let's hope for the best. We'll hear Josh's prediction. Maybe he predicts us to lose like he did in Los Angeles when we both said we'd win. So Josh predicts us to lose and we both predict to win. Maybe that's some, some good, uh, mantra into this one. We'll see what happens. Um, but whose game? Let's keep the faith here at least for a couple of days. See what happens Sunday. Everyone enjoy their weekends. Uh, we'll be talking about Detroit and Europe very soon, but Seattle first up. So let's go. Um, we ha uh, we opened a show with the art monk segment of him breaking the all time NFL record for career receptions in 1992. We're gonna have the outro here with his standing ovation at Canton for his induction into the Hall of Fame. Probably one of the longest ever ovations for an inductee with a huge Washington turnout for this one. So let's get up for the weekend.