Hail on Three

Seattle season ender

• Josh Edwards • Season 1 • Episode 42

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Josh, Lee and James react rather despondently to the Commanders loss against Seattle on Sunday Night Football, talking through the game first then going on to the Jayden Daniels injury news and the outlook for the rest of the season.

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josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Welcome to another edition of the HA on Free podcast. My name is Josh, coming to you from Southeast London this Monday evening, UK time. Uh, I'm joined by both James and Lee to discuss the debacle, and I'm using that word too often this season for the debacle of Sunday night Football against the Seattle Seahawks. I'm going to pass it straight to Lee who watched this game live. And in full, unlike James and myself. So Lee, how are you mate? And have at it.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Yeah. Hello Sports fans. James, feel free to to jump in because I know you watched the

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Oh, I will.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

this morning. Uh, yeah. I was looking forward to this. Because we kind of hyped ourselves up. We had the, the special night with art monks, jazz, retirement season on the line, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. This team. It us what we feared they could be. But even I, as someone who's often a glass half full, uh, they really did let us down in an important And I, I do wanna talk about the game rather than getting to the obvious topic because I think textually it sets up the recklessness later in, in the evening. I'll be honest, as soon as we, we took the ball, which I guess we just wanted to get. Get something going on offense. Well, I guess I should backtrack. Lou McCaffrey gets blasted and he is out for the season with a broken collarbone. So if that doesn't set the tone for the evening, I dunno what does. Uh, but as soon as we had that first possession, I knew we were bang, bang in trouble. Firstly, there was not a run call played. Now sies of great run defense, we know that. If you're not even gonna try, that sets us up for Jayden having to have some kind of super human effort, especially when his receivers cannot separate and he was running for his life just for a few yards here and there. So I knew even though we did get that one first down, which still was a hard, difficult looking play, that we were bang, bang in trouble. I dunno what you thought, James.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

a hundred percent agree with your felt exactly the same after our first play that. Probably we weren't gonna win this game that it was over before Seahawks even, uh, played on, on offense. And, um, it felt very much like the Green Bay game at the start. And it was just bad vibes from the start. And, um, it's, I've gone through all the emotions today, to be honest. Angry, sad, shell-shocked. I was watching it. Embarrassed despondent. Um, obviously I got up early to watch it. On the ad free game replay, which is an hour and 50. But I got through it in about an hour'cause I skipped through a lot of the second half to save my mental health. Um, Leanne, my wife got up, you look quite despondent, like what's happened? So I think she thought something serious and I actually, well, it is serious, but something serious and the family perhaps happened. Um, but no, uh, yeah, was, it was very strange. Obviously we shouldn't be surprised. There's been evidence, but the way this game kind of got out of hand so quickly within a matter of what 30 seconds, was just madness.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Yeah, it wasn't just a throwback to the uniforms, was it? This was a throwback to, uh, old regimes. Embarrassed on a big night for the organization in terms of this season and for what they were doing for, for Art Monk and his Jersey retirement. Um, embarrassed in prime time, but yeah. I do want to talk about the first drive for Seattle quickly. We're not gonna, we're not gonna pour over the misery, but it's worth noting because this defense is an absolute embarrassment, injuries or no injuries. Let me give you a couple of the down and distances. Uh, first and 25 for the Seahawks. No problem. Second and 17, no problem. A penalty on third and one to third and sixth. No problem. It does not matter what we do on first and second down. Does it? That is clear because they will get the yards back immediately, if not more of them. It almost happened in the Chargers game, but there was just more and more penalties to when they finally run out of opportunities. But this is just an embarrassing defense, a friend of mine. He's a big football fan. Patriots guy. We were texting this morning and I, I asked him a question, I said, is this the worst defense in the league? And he said, it's gotta be close. He thinks it's just about the Bengals, but I don't know, man. I think it might be right there.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah, I think the bottom two with the Bengals were worse than Dallas, I think. Be the other one in there. Um, probably get onto this, but I actually think I watched a lot of games, uh, the early games, even teams like the Saints, um, battle pretty hard, uh, against a very good Rams team ultimately got blown out. I think we're actually a bottom five team overall.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Yeah, we have to be at this point with what's out there on, on offense, on the outside and lack of run game. But I do wanna mention a couple of players because these are our younger players that are supposed to be given this hope for the future. There's so much said. About this roster and how old we are, but let's talk about some of the younger players.'cause Jay, Jay Lane, times in six days now from a kickoff return, he, uh, I wanna say he got away from the, with the Kansas City when he didn't really put us inside the two, didn't it? But last night, absolute disaster, no ball security punched out, touched a couple of seconds later, so they scored two touchdowns in like 15 seconds in game

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

It was, it was 11 seconds. seconds.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

11 seconds. And I want to talk about Mikey Sanders seal because inside he got beaten in Press Man, by, is it Horton? For Seattle? Yeah. He got beaten so bad off the line. And I'm not a defensive football coach, but I know what football they're trying to play. They're trying to play Press Man. For anyone that doesn't know what that means, it means that you're supposed to jam the wide receiver and disrupt the route off the line of scrimmage. He didn't even get close to touching him, and Horton absolutely burns him. Now, I haven't heard much of this Horton guy. I, he was a fifth rounder or something this year, maybe. I know they had a couple of al players out there. I I, I think he was a draft pick. Anyway, he got absolutely abused all night again. He was a top 50 pick for us, remember second rounder and the, the regression, I'm sorry, at some point that has to be on coaching

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Hmm.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

you have to change him to outside, whatever you have to do. But he is an absolute liability. I know he was celebrating his little interception in the second half, but that was a, that was a ball from Don that was two yards behind him. Right. To him say that I, I'm, I'm not trying to just sound one player'cause they've all been terrible, including Con Martin, including seen it, but it just, to me, I'm blaming. I mean the, the player has to have accountability as well, but they're surely not coaching it, right? If, if Horton is walking past him into the end zone, something is, is very, very wrong. So we hear about how old these players are, but I'm looking at this and I'm saying, hold on Mike. He had a good, decent enough season on the outside last year. What? What's going on? That has to be coaching at some point, right?

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Another indictment on the draft as well. Tory Horton, you're right, is a fifth round pick, this year. um, you know, cup was out, they've had injuries, and they just, you know, Tory Hor Tory Horton steps up and us. Um. Really impressed with him. And then on the other side, we've got Jay Lane, who's a higher pick, um, who can't handle a kick return. Um, so yeah, I dunno.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

mean this,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

There's so, there's so many ways we can go with this and so many things we can talk about. I dunno what to pick from, but.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

yeah, it's true. This lane stuff though is interest because he's dropped balls before, isn't he in an important spot? So I, I don't want to single out young players'cause we're all behind and want'em to do well. But it is worth noting this in a bigger conversation because all we keep hearing is about, you know, Wagner and Zacker and all this stuff and it's very true, but they contributed massively. Last year. Everyone was happy when they got. back for an extra year.'cause we don't

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Hmm.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

roster to fill out the spaces. But it's not just that is it. There is problems with some of these younger

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

which is a concern.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah, the idea is to have some of these older guys to kind of round out the roster, add a bit of experience and leadership, and now some of these young guys are supposed to grow this year, but they've regressed. If anything. Has anyone, has anyone broken out any of the draft picks, young guys at all?

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

No, it is bad. And looking at the game flow, obviously the game was over what we said after our first possession, but on the scoreboard, at least the game was well over half time. Um, was. Watching the second half. I, I've, look, I don't turn off our games at halftime, but it was probably the closest I ever felt to it last night. It was, it was horrible. And you could see in the buildup, you know, the stuff that I was doing for, for Art Man come out that I do take a lot of pride in the history of the organization. So to, to do that and put that out there is just, for me, it's unacceptable, which at least Quinn acknowledged, uh, Seattle in complete, complete control. There's not really much point talking about the second half.'cause this, this leads into to it. So, um, Josh, I know that you didn't watch too much if anything of the game, so I'll let, I'll let you,

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

I'll let you set us up.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

yeah, yeah. No, no, it's fine. I, I,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

so you, so Jaden Daniels there we have it. Let's, let's go.'cause it was what, 38 to seven with eight minutes left I think.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, yeah, listeners will, will notice my, uh, lack of, uh, of analysis of the game there as, as Lee and James took us through the, the shambles that, that was last night. Um, because, uh, I woke up to an athletic, uh, notification of the game score.'cause I stupidly didn't put my phone on, um, on.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Lucky year.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Well, yeah. And, and then I made a business decision not to watch a minute of the game or highlights, which, uh, you know, may not go down well with some people who think that, you know, you should be a completist. I'm sure I will go back to it. But given you watched it live and James, you watched it this morning, I thought, what's the point? And busy? Um, because 38 14 and the injury news felt like, oh, Jayden got hurt on the first drive. Right? Yeah. That was how I sort of read it initially and then thought, oh, the shambles and, and this Seattle are a good team. So that was my assumption. Uh, and then I, uh, read. What happened? Um, Jane Daniels in the fourth quarter at 31 7, 38, 7, sorry, as you said, um, was still in the game and we had punted from the 50 yard line on the previous drive. I, uh, since red as well. Um. He, uh, as, as of now, we know that he at least dislocated his elbow, right? So there's a dislocation of the elbow and then therefore there may be more news about what he also done during that injury to that elbow or arm. Um, coming soon-ish, I guess once we have MRIs, we don't have that information at the moment. Um, I could not believe that when I read it, and it was the worst kind of dejavu you could ever have, but I think. There's no I I, I won't accept any argument other than malpractice. For this scenario, I won't accept, accept any kind of, um, what about this and what about that? In this scenario, there's nothing other than malpractice to have Jane Dames in the game. Uh, the way you've described the game as well to me, and this is what I was kind of trying to stay quiet in, was to listen to how you felt like the game was. I mean, even the score is ludicrous to have someone still in there, but the way you've described it makes it even worse. Um, so that is a diabolical decision to keep in the him in the game. And I saw tweets. Timestamp tweets from all over the place on x around from, from, from you guys, right? I'm assuming Lee obviously live and,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

got the receipts.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

yeah, yeah, yeah.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Quinn Quinn

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

This, yeah. And Quinn said it's hindsight, it's great in, you know, he didn't say it in a really like, um, sarcastic way or anything. He did say it in a, obviously now in hindsight it looks terrible way, but there was plenty of people who were saying it in the moment and, and people who I respect, but also people I just think,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah,

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

don't really know football that are saying it. It's not, you don't have to be a genius.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

isn't a big hindsight thing.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

No, no, no, no, no.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

the press conference he said, oh, he is bummed, bummed.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

It, it,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

sacked on the spot.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

it, it was a unbelievable thing to read that, that, that, that happened. Um,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Yeah, Josh, just for context, it was even worse if you, for the eye test,

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

okay.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

watching it. Like I've not seen Daniels that under duress

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

that's a whole nother conversation about how good Seattle are and what the hell was going on with the line and the play calling. Let's leave that aside'cause there's no point. This today is there, but it was so bad, wasn't it James? Like

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

had no time. He was under, this was a

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

That they, yeah, they, they should have been counting their lucky styles when we got to the fourth quarter that Jayden wasn't hurt.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

I think, I think,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

believe he, I couldn't believe he made it to where he did. He

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

can I.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

hits all over the shop, but it wasn't even on him. He had to do, what could he do? He couldn't, you know, either had to

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah. Yeah.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

sacks or try and make a run and get hit.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Which I think I would like, I'd like to talk about that in a bit.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

before and they kept him out there.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

It's, it's crazy. I'd like to talk about that in a bit. And why the hell he was under so much duress in spite of c being a good team. That's ridiculous to me. Um, but the other thing is I don't care who, like, I do care who the quarterback is. Any quarterback should be taken out in that scenario as a start, shouldn't they? Like ultimately any quarterback in that certain scenario, let alone. The one, the one, you know, sum that everyone revolves around in, in Jayden and, and his injury issues and history and the context that it's any, anyone you take Mariota out.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Yeah, I would. Well, I would like to, this is a very different situation, but I would like to see what the score was in that Browns blowout at the start of last year.'cause Mariot came in for that game, and I think the score was around the same, but we had a defeated Browns team that had given up on the other side of the ball. had the best defense, arguably in the NFL. Absolutely destroying us on the line of scrimmage and with play court with everything. It was like an embarrassing night for, for everyone last night from the top down for, you know, for, for everyone, fans included. Right. But context of this was Jaden Daniels has been hurt how many times this year? Now? Twice. Three times. So he's missed

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

A lady,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

was his, this was his first game back and. The game was over there. This wasn't a two touchdown

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

the Seahawks had pulled starters as well.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

yeah. This was. This, this is my, this is the bigger conversation for today in my opinion. And let me know what you guys think. says, oh, this fan base has PTSD, et cetera. Well, it may be true in some ways, but look, this has happened now and I can only see the season going one way in terms of wins and losses. We, we'll get into all that as the weeks go on, but my question to you is, is there any. I'm not saying he's gonna get fired now or even in the off season, but is there any coming back for Quinn from this, for the fan base and a trust issue? Because I don't, I didn't see it. This Jane Daniels was the, is the one reason they've sold 14,000 more season tickets. It's the one reason that house was packed out last night. Even though we were free and five football team, I, he had the art monk thing, but with sin. Bad turnouts before and bad teams like Jalen Daniels was the hope. And Dan Quinn has recklessly, absolutely recklessly got him, not just her a serious injury. And even if we get good news on it, that's another second half of the season lost in development. That's another in the mental psyche of a young quarterback, serious injury type situation. Is there any coming back from this to regain the trust of this fan base? That's my question.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Uh, maybe, but it take a long time. I, I don't trust anything they're doing right now. I, I, I'm speechless.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

It is a very good question because. My instinct is to say that he, well, it's a self preservation league for coaches, right? We saw that with Jay and with Ron, and you do what you can to try and stay in the job, and I think Dan Quinn will do similarly. So I think he, his chance to do that is to make the changes that people have been clamoring for and to hope that. Ownership, stay with him. And then over time people will kind of forget this and this, this game and this bad decision and give him another chance and, and only, only really talk about that one decision because I don't think there's like a much broader picture to fire Dan Quinn. I know things are terrible and the defense is terrible, but I don't think, I think it's unlikely. Right?

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

No,

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

this is, see.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

yeah.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

you're right. You're right. He's just got a lot, he's got a lot of work to do to re he's, he had everyone's trust and backing and he's lost all of that in an instant just making one stupid decision.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Yeah, that was, I don't, I don't, there there'll be moves made like towards the end of the season or the off season on the defensive side of the ball. But

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

I'm, I'm sorry, but if, if, if, Joe, if,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

issue for him now on the fan

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Uh.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

is

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

if Joe, if Joe Witt isn't like sacked today. Fired today

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

he

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

said, you said, you said Quinn's due to talk today, like shortly. Right.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Now, I think, but he

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

But

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

they're playing the lions

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

why?

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

They'll wait. They'll wait because, because they're gonna get destroyed again. So they'll, he'll just, he'd

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah, yeah. But yeah. But yeah, but there has to be accountability. Someone has heads have to roll for this. There has to be something.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

It will be the buy. Yeah, it'll be the.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

But,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

be the fight. They'll

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

but we're gonna get, we're not gonna get done anyway. So like

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

he, I know, but he's gonna say for him, if you're looking at it, he's gonna say, okay, we're gonna, they're gonna put 40 up on us, obviously, if not more so.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

people want a head on a stick. I do.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

I They do, they do, but they won't, it will happen if we lose to the dolphins, which is obviously in play, um, they'll, they'll do, they'll do that. If we lose, like if Waddle goes off or something, then he'll just fire him and say, I'll take over play calling. You've probably got the hardest bit your schedule out the way to be honest at

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Hmm.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

And then the season just peters out and everyone's lost interest. So. I agree with you, but he won't do it. But I was just, I guess my question was more on the fan base because everyone was fully behind him and now there is gonna be a real, like, lack of trust that they know how to protect their main asset, which is, which is a problem for him moving forward.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

It isn't.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

yeah.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah, it's a good question.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

he was scared of upsetting Jaden?'cause Jaden wanted to be out there? If so, pathetic.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

what do you think, what do you think, Josh, in terms of

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Uh, I,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

this

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

I think it, it, this is, this is such a glaring error that he is obviously now gonna never make it again and he'll be extra cautious from now on out. So I suppose that ultimately it's whether you as a fan decide that he deserves the other chance based on that, um, I think, I think I can give him enough credit and, and, and over time allow him. The kind of grace to continue, but right now I'm livid at the decision. So I dunno. I dunno. It depends on, on the fa, the fa, the fan base is fickle. Generally speaking, hopefully we are not as a group, but I think the fan base is fickle and if you start winning again over time, I think they can forget this basically. That's my opinion on it.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

I agree. I agree. It's very much a reactionary situation, but yeah, it was, um, it's just tough to see that. Such a a red mark on his decision making. And I've, I've gotta say, I've been a bit concerned about him this season in general, and I get that they try to, to, um, the presses try to not give teams advantages and that, but if you look at the whole body of work, of the season in terms of injuries and the communication, and then what's happened after they have an IRP, just if you put it all together, it just doesn't look very good for them. Uh, which is a, which is a shame. I'm cons. I mean, I don't, I never known a season like it for injuries though in

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

We've lost, um, we've lost 117 games to injury, like combined player, like when they add all the, the, the stuff up. I just saw last season, we lost 92 at all season. So it is, it is ludicrous, but it's not an excuse for any decision. I mean, if anything, it makes it look worse last night, obviously.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

I didn't really like his comments. I didn't see much accountability, to be honest. When they're talking about the play, he was like, oh, 10 times outta 10, he hands it off with throws. It also, it's Jayden's fault.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

No, I, yeah, I, I, I don't, I I'll, we'll have to listen to Monday's press conference. I mean, yeah. It'd be interesting if he

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

He is, sorry, he's, he's just come out and said he's been asked about it. Why is he still out there? I get that. I've been thinking about it nonstop too, and man, I missed it. That's a hundred percent on me.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Yeah. So he

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

no shit. Okay.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Yeah. No. Okay. He is done it, he's done

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

There's nothing else to say though. I mean like,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Yeah, that I, I did wonder if he was actually gonna, because otherwise you, you have to sometimes in life take it, don't you?

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

yeah. Yeah.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

that, so, um, but yeah, that's not gonna soften the blow for the fan base.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

He can't blame. He can't blame Dan Snyder, can he? For keeping him in the game like, you know.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Yeah. Yeah. So keep an eye on the, on the X timeline, James, in case anything else pops up. Um, say, yeah, I mean, just terrible night, all round. I dunno. Josh, what do we wanna talk about now? Do we wanna talk about the, the bigger picture, not just of the season, but of how this season's gone, or, or I guess we should, we should talk about something else than the game here.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah, the, the franchise is cursed maybe, I dunno.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Sorry, I, I was, I was talking on mute like I do. Often in teams meetings. Um, just seen on X the latimore is out for the season, by the way. Um, just to add to, to that, as, as I was scrolling along

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Every cloud

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

along X hopefully he gets well soon. Um, uh, yeah, let's talk, let's talk about the big picture because the season is, is over. Um, and I want, I wanted to ask you both a question about if we'd lost this game. 38 20, right. And Jaden didn't. Come out of the game and it was exactly the same script, but we scored, you know, like a couple of, to a touchdown and, and a failed to on conversion at the end, and it was 38 20. Would you still say the season was over if Jaden was not hurt? I just wanna, because, because that's, that's my question to you before I give you my opinion about how, how self this season's gone

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

uh, yes, because that defensive performance, if you're saying that defensive performance still happened, then yes.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

and offensive. Right.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

and offense was Yeah, obviously poor as well. So, yeah, I would still say so. it's just probably just more depressing now because

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

It is a G of Jason.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

be a long, it's gonna be a long two months.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

It's annoying. I'll let you answer it as as well. Lee, you probably agree right? It's a bit of an annoying g outta jail free card as well, on top of everything because had he had, he, the narrative can be spun a bit now, can't it? Like he's been hurt a couple of times and now he's gonna be out long term and the season's over. But I ultimately, they weren't competitive with him last night.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Yeah, I, yeah, exactly. What was the score with him in the game? What was the score with Lamore in the game? What was our offensive production? A defensive stats before all this happened. Say we've just lost three games in a row by more than 20 points. The, this isn't, this is the worst teams in the league because it has the worst if defense in the league, if not Cincinnati, and then with the injuries, they just, they've got no way to clo it back. Yes, I think I would've said the season was over. They did need to. if they lost the game by two points and there was improvements on offense, and I might have said, well, if you beat the lion and you squint, you know,

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Mm-hmm.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

no, this is, this is, um, has gone from me wanting to stay interested to Thanksgiving to knowing it's gonna be an actual, like 2023 Ron Rivera second half of the season, where it's gonna be a tough, tough watch because they haven't got any players and they, they're not gonna go out and get any, like, obviously you wouldn't do that. If anything, you're gonna get rid of a couple. So they, this is. where the most interesting thing to see now is, is there any development in the likes of McGee and some of these other players? Can they make some adjustments to see better play from some of the ones that have been poor? And there are certain coaches that are either gonna be fighting for their jobs or looking for a way out at this point. Because the scary thing is I'm a bit concerned just about the whole. Way they've kind of gone about this season now, like Dan Quinn has lost to every Shanahan style offense, right? Say, well, I don't wanna get in the Ron Rivera conversation about, you know, old school defensive coach. It does make you worry, doesn't it? You look at the guy that went from Tampa as a Carolina, what he's doing there over there now, you know, it's just like. You need. I was fine with having him as long as Cliff was like in his bag and he had all of this, but now it looks really disjointed and there's gonna be movements and it's

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Mm.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

now where this is for another day, probably for the bi-week, but like now where will the direction be? So that's kind of gonna be the, the topic of of of, we go through the season, I guess.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah. Yeah. Um, I'm, I'm just, just. Looking at, you talked about defensive, you talked about changes that were beyond kind of tinkering and stuff. We've talked about that for a few weeks. Uh, Dan Quinn has just said that there'll be no defensive staff changes coming. Um, just, just to make it absolutely clear. Um, I know why it makes sense for him and maybe for the organization not to fire someone today and to do it at the bi-week or to do it later. I understand that from a self preservation perspective, my opinion is that Joe Whitt Jr. Cannot be a defensive head coach in this league based on everything I've seen through nine games, and I think he should be fired. I know they won't. I think he should. I just wanna make that very clear at this point.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

be like, it's based a new jerk reaction off the back of a bad game. It's been building for the whole season.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

it, it would be welling the rights to do it.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Yeah. Well, I mean even last season, wasn't it? So Joet Jr. Was never, this is his first gig as actually a DC right? He as defensive coordinator, he was a positional uh, coach in Dallas when Quinn was the defensive coordinator. And you look at it and it's clear they wanna play press man and get all this, but they don't have Micro Parsons in the backfield. Do they say they've been found out And you just wonder, have we set ourselves back with. No persisting with this in terms of strategy, that's the concern for me. So yeah, we'll see what happens. Like there is no chance Joe Witt will be a defensive coordinator going into next season, but I just think they're gonna let it play out for a while. He might even see the season out'cause everyone would've just lost interest. So I don't know.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Also roster you look at this roster and what happens now? I, I, I think we've got two years till we're back to being a good team. Look at this roster top to bottom. think we need to be getting what we can for as many players as possible tomorrow by the deadline.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Yeah, potentially. I, I just dunno how many players would get a significant return,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Not many.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

I

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Not many, but there'll be a few.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Yeah. If Mc, if McLaurin was actually healthy, that would be a conversation. Uh, I just don't, we'll just lose so much value on him now, so I don't, I don't think they'll do that, but who knows what will happen. Yeah. I look, it's. You could listen to this and listen to our summer podcast and probably call it fickle, but there was reason to have optimism about this defense. When you look at the secondary, when you look at the likes of St. Juice and you know, for going and just looking like not NFL players, but I just feel like this coaching staff and what they've put together here, schematically and obviously the injuries have hurt, is, not up to tasks. So I, I don't by there isn't. That it's completely talentless though, so, uh, you're just gonna need to get people in. The problem is for Quinn is his tied to the hip, to this whole, and I, Joe Whi will go, but he's still tied to the hip to like this two years and what they've tried to build here. So they're gonna need to change course

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Well,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Um,

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

sorry Lee to interrupt. I mean, I mean this talking of self preservation for. Um, Dan Quinn and trying to, yeah, like you say, he is tied to the hip to this what, what he's trying to build. Joe Whit Jr's not gonna be here next year. We, we at least know that, right? He's not gonna be here next year based on this season. I, I hope, um, and Cliff now. Surely in a position of self preservation, of trying to make something of this season for a head coaching job. Right. I, I can't imagine now Cliff Kingsbury sat there going,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

he'll be

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

um, yeah, yeah. He'll be pissed. But I mean, some of that's on him and some of that's on injuries and some of that's on whatever, right. There's a mix there. Um, but he hasn't covered himself in glory thus far this season. It's been a mixed bag to say the least. Yes, exactly. So, so, so you're looking at high turnover regardless. Right. I know we, like we said, we are gonna save this for a bit of a bi-week thing. You know, sorry. Sorry to jump into it too much now, but there's changes coming and we just dunno kinda when, and it's really tough to be positive about too much because of the roster. Like you said, James, and like you've mentioned before, Lee, the depth of it, the lack thereof at certain positions. How do we stay particularly excited about certain things? It's really tough at this point.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

think, I think Cliff is the interesting one because he'll be, feel like he's been dealt such a bad hand this season and Yeah, some stuff he's, he's tried to scheme up, hasn't worked. But you look at the receivers, he's had to trot out for the whole season at this point. Right. And. It's, I think he'll be very frustrated. What he does now will be interesting. I dunno how he's gonna really show off his, his talents

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Pr, he's gotta be really good at PR from now to the end of the season to to, to court a job. And I don't think he'll be caught in the, the, the kinds of jobs that he, he would've been last season and the off season. I,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

I think he get, I, I'll stick my neck out. I think he'll get a head coaching job still.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

yeah, I, I don't disagree that he,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

think so.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

I, I think he will as well, but I don't think it will be, it would be as good as the one he might have been able to get.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

he's got this record of just getting found out in like second years and stuff, and I know it's only as a coordinator this time, but has happened.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

He, he can point to a lot of,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

he, I think he's, I think he's missed his chance.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

I mean, look at Marie and the receivers though. Like how, like he's, he's got a lot of argument, isn't he, to

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

yeah. Yeah. He, he can spin that narrative.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

if he, if he rev, if he revives, if he revives the career of Tray on bs, then maybe he'll uh, he'll get something.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

I think we're a bit shortsighted. Like the offense last year was sensational against admittedly

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah. No, I.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

but I just look, he's just gonna, like, he's gonna, in any interview, he can say, these are my starting wide receivers. Jayden Daniels started four games.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

so

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

There's not that many options for head coaches out there.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

just saying how it might look to other teams on the outset, and there's probably gonna be a whole host of new up and coming offensive coordinators that have performed well this year on better teams that will, that will

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Hmm.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

ahead of him just because they've been on better teams. But,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

I think that an interesting question for us is, would we really want him back? Like, that answer is yes every time. Um, like a month ago even. But it's kind of interesting now because I just, I bet that he's like so pissed off and you just wonder when it doesn't work like that. How is, like, how is his meetings with Dan Quim right now and stuff? I mean, come on. Like I feel like he's gone one way or another. Right. At this point, I feel

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Um, I've, I've got breaking news. Joe Witt will move from the press box to the sideline on game day. Fixed it problem. Problem solved. Problem solved.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

that a, is

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

No, no. Ben Stand

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Three weeks too late. Yeah.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

this is, this is fun. This is actually fun. Now though. This is when the, this goes back to the gallows humor really, because she and him on the side. I'm actually pleased with that. That will, that will make me tune in

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

How close, how, how close, uh, I wonder how close everyone's tickets are to the Sideline Madrid. Oh, that's, that's, uh, that is funny. Um, one of the things we talked about for weeks is they like tinkering. What can they do? And incremental improvements to get to get better on defense. We had a half of real emotional run around the field effort against Kansas City and that, that's our high point for the defense. Seven, seven, half time against. The Chiefs and now Joe, it's on the sideline. Wow.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Yeah. We have said this with our sports teams before, though. If it gets really bad, like. really bad as in like last night bad, but week to week. Then it just becomes interesting, I guess for the wrong reasons, but like, yeah, how do they bottom out and how, I mean, this defense watching it on the eye test is I thought that 2016 defense was so, so bad under Joe Barry, like on fed down and

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Hmm.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

This is much worse. I, I, I've never seen a defense like

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

I so confused at the snap, like every single snap, they're confused. Like you wouldn't, you, you, you'd, you'd be licking your lips, wouldn't you, really? As an OC or anything, or a quarterback? Sam Donald. I mean, you know, he's played well this year, but 21, 21 of 24 4 touchdowns, 380 yards, and he had,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

I jump, before I jump off, because I've gotta run back to work, I have one question for both of

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

hmm.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Will the Dolphins be favorites in Madrid? Yes or no? Or is it

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

if,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

so,

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

I mean, it's within, it's within a point, I think, or one and a half of the best.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

yeah, yeah.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

and that's where we are.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

they, they, they may well be, oh, we didn't have that predicted.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

before you shoot off. Well, I guess we'll just finish up together, won't we? But what's I, I think we, we won't win more than one game. I think we're gonna have a top five pick. We are currently number,

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

I think we, I think we, we win five, we win five games a season. Just because we've had the NFL

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

the only, the only game I can, uh, okay. The only game I can see us winning is maybe the Dolphins one. I don't, I don't see it.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

Football's just, just

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah, I guess.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

games. I'm gonna, I'm gonna let you guys finish off because I've gotta go back to web, but you can just, uh, gimme a shout when I need to log

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Will do. Cheers, Lee.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

chat to you, chat to you in person on Friday.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nice.

ledders_2_11-03-2025_141607:

about the lion's preview, but we have to do it

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Oh God. Yeah. Okay.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Good riddance.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Oh yeah. Uh, Lee's uh, gone back to his working day. James and I left to pick over whatever the hell was left to pick over. Um, Lee mentioned Madrid. The excitement for Madrid is a very different kind of excitement now, um, obviously, um. I don't, I, I see maybe two more wins. Daniels no fractures, apparently. It doesn't mean anything. Basically we need, we just need to kind of see what comes out of that. But the season's done because of the, the fact there's only eight games left in the NFC. We're not gonna catch Philadelphia, and you need to win 10 games, really, probably. Right. So we're not gonna do that. Um, so the season is done for, for that reason. Um, top five pick, you reckon? Could be. Um,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

have the number 10 pick.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

okay.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Um, I think a lot of those teams can win some games

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

current currently with a slightly worse record than us. So, Maybe we win in Madrid would be nice to get a win there if we're gonna go that

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Um, but yeah, it does take a sting out of it, you know, not being able to see Jaden there, not Terry.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Probably not Terry. No.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

like, it is a shame. Um, yeah, think top five pickers well on the cards, but Lee Lee's got a good point. To be fair. Those are some of those late. Games that sometimes might not mean anything,

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah. Spoiler and stuff.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

of the Giants games, or maybe beat the Eagles if they wrestle their starters in

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

or something like that. But yeah.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

We said this, uh, last season a couple of times, even though we did think. This, this year would be a really positive one. And another sort of building block. We did say many times we had to enjoy it.'cause you never know and we did certainly enjoy it. Uh, it's harder to enjoy this the rest of this season based on what's been going on. Um, one of the things I did wanna mention quickly before we finish on foot football and draft picks and stuff is the fact that we've been struggling at wide receiver, we've been struggling at defensive end, we've been struggling at linebacker. Um, all spots that we said going into the draft are needs.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

That we didn't address early. And I think I'm leaning more because of the evidence of how things have gone this year and in the past at various points to taking, um, positions of need in the draft rather than best player available or supposedly.'cause it's pissing me off how bad we are at wide receiver and defense. We've got no pass rush and no one to throw it to. And we could have drafted two guys.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

like.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah. I think it's fair. Um, how's con Well, how's Cony playing? I don't really know. I, I, I can't really, I'm not really skilled enough to comment on offensive line play, but, um,

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

It's very hard to,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

That could have been. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. It'd be nice to just take a player in a position of need.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

yeah.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

'cause these have been, when they've been needs for, long. Um, know, even like the rush situation, like we had, we address it in the draft. We've got, we got, so we got so much cap space. bargain hunting. We never addressed it in free agency really.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

No.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Apart from what V Miller, even we could all see that and they would almost just thought, oh no, we'll just get by. We, obviously, we are positive in the time. We were like, you know,

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Talk yourselves into it a bit.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

know, we, we were hopeful also that a lot of the young players were gonna step up and it hasn't, hasn't worked out that way.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

No. And at three and six you can, I think you can. I think there's a fair argument to say with a healthy Jaden, we are maybe only one win better.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

yeah.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

To be, I don't think you can say, oh, Jayden Healthy the whole time, Terry Healthy, the whole, I don't know, one, two wins at best. Better maybe because of how, how the rest of the, I think that's, you know, I think what will annoy me as a narrative of, of, of the injuries being the reason when, like you said, the roster construction has, has, has, has proven to be not very good and the coaching has proven to be. Terrible. Like really, really bad. Um, so yeah, it, it's, it's, it's a sad state of affairs. We've, we've been in worse spots than this, but this is so hard to take because of so much hope, I guess.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah, this is

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

we've had that taste of, you know, oh wait. a proper team. Now we're gonna, you know, we're gonna push on to then have a, not just like a bit of a drop off, but like a complete lost season November. You just couldn't. you couldn't imagine that happening. So it is pretty demoralizing, be honest. When you've just gone to an NC championship game, you found your franchise qb, and you've had years of nothingness and, um, just awful, awful seasons year after year

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yep.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

to then go back into that when you thought that, as in the past for a while, it's quite hard to take.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Don't go on X James and look at other fans, uh, doing I told your sos or, or reveling in our, in our misery. Honestly, don't don't.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

I'll

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Oh man.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

all already.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

I, I can, I can imagine you there just. Frustrated at looking, you know?

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

that'cause they've

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Good,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

it

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

good.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

week three.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

That's true. That's true. That's true.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

um, I'm, I'm beyond all that,

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah. Good, good. Uh, maybe we can get a bit of joy out of playing spoiler late in the season and, uh, I tell you what,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

is what I was gonna say. I do enjoy ruin

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

yeah.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

other team seasons, so maybe we can have some fun there.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

And you know what, D Zone? Saturday College football all day on D Zone. Uh, there's some, there's some players to watch now,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

just Li Lee's not here so he can laugh at, at thinking about the draft. But after, uh, uh, do you know what, it's a shame because I thought your Podgy did in the preview was one of the best ones you've, we've put out and, and Lee's monk segment and all the kind of, you know, we should really be playing. For Art Mon on last night and everything, I thought it was a really great pod and made some really good points. And I know that, um, you know, the matchups didn't, uh, I guess didn't go as, as, as, as any of us had hoped at any level. Like there was no success at all. So it just didn't, it didn't look like, like we had any sort of

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

yeah.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

insight and knowledge.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

and you, and you know what's, know, I stand by as well because you know what comes Sunday, I'll be desperate for us to win. You know, it's just,

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

help

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah, because you just, you just want a bit of you, you just want, you, you just want to taste that again. Right? Gimme a taste.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Oh, dear.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Where's that ice cream boy?

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

yeah. Where, uh, do you have anything else for me? Uh, I feel like I've, I, we, we've managed to sort of, um. I managed to bring you back from the brink a bit and you seem a little bit more chipper now.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

it's been, it's felt a very long day.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

different emotions. I think when it was first happening, I was kind of just. Jaw genuinely dropped, watching it unfold, in particular, um, when they had those two touchdowns for 11 seconds. that moment I wasn't even angry. I just felt sad about it. It was just quite sad to watch. Um, and then felt anger after that. And then, you know, gotta try and. Take some laughs from it moving forward and and enjoy the games. And we're lucky enough to be going to Madrid and um, watch our team play,

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

So,

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Quick one on the Seahawks. Do you think they're genuine Super Bowl contenders, or is it impossible to tell when anyone plays us?

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

uh, I think they are. I think they are. I think they've got, when you, I think I sent into our group chat. Their past four draft classes, some incredible players on there,

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Hmm.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

young players on defense and on offense. They've obviously got a superstar wide receiver who even with REST receivers out with him as the main focus, he still can't be stopped. Um, you got Sam Donald, whether it's the system or him playing, well, probably both NF C's wide open. I didn't see why they couldn't get to the NC championship game. If they, if they stay healthy. I actually think it's more to come from them as well.'cause their run game hasn't been as good as I think they'd want it to be with the two running backs they've got. Um, so I think they've got more to show, to be honest. Um, I did find it interesting at the starter game, I nearly done this as a matchup matrix.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Hmm,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

They were trying to get Kenneth Walker outside. Early and often'cause of they

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Bobby.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

about the lack of sidelines or sideline speed there. Um, so I thought that was quite, interesting to start. But yeah, I think, I think why not for them?

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

you know, they're quite a likable team, so

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah, yeah. Fair enough. All right, well, um, this was a, a useful therapy session, um,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Hmm.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

you didn't go through the, the stage of denial, actually, that was one you didn't mention. You, you, you were in no denial at all, which is good about this season.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

no, I just start to think, oh, well maybe the injury's not that bad and he is back from Madrid, know?

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Run the table.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

yeah. So, yeah. Felt all of it today. Um, and you know, to be honest, the fault of even doing this when it first happened, I thought, that can't happen today, but we've done it. So, um.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

it. We'll get it out. This'll be a minimal edit as people will hear. Um, but we'll get through. It'll get it out and we will do a, a Detroit preview at some point. That'll be an interesting one. But, um.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Yeah. Well, um, that's not prime time as well, is it?

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

No, it's nine twenty five Sunday night,

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Okay.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

my birthday weekend. Happy days. It was set up so nicely the start of the season. Oh, well

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Uh, all right. Yeah. And let's keep an eye on the trade deadline. Right. Should, might be interesting to see

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

yeah, we should be sellers. I mean, it's Tonsil Depot, maybe Deron Payne may like, I dunno. Who else God knows. Not a lot there is there.

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

and trade for a quarterback. Season's not over.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

Kirk baby

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Get Kurt Cousins in. Let's run the table. Seven on the trot.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

dust off the old Jersey. Alright, thanks for coming on board mate, and uh, thanks for listening everyone. And until next time, a very muted hail

james_2_11-03-2025_201607:

Hail.

josh_3_11-03-2025_201607:

I.