Now Playing: The Mandalorian and Grogu in Alabasta

In this episode of The Drive-In Movie Podcast, hosts Berkan Dincer (Big Screen Berkan) and Michael Lee dive into movie merch, franchise rankings, and anime adventures.

🍿 We review the brand-new Mandalorian and Grogu popcorn bucket, breaking down whether it’s one of the best theater collectibles yet.
😱 We also discuss the wild new Scary Movie 6 popcorn bucket and the growing trend of over-the-top movie merch.
🌌 The hosts attempt the impossible by tier-ranking the entire Star Wars franchise, debating movies, shows, and where each project belongs.
🏴‍☠️ And we continue our One Piece journey, diving into the legendary Alabasta arc and discussing why it’s such a major turning point for the series.

A fun episode packed with fandom debates, movie collectibles, and franchise rankings.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to the Drive In Movie Podcast. Now playing The Mandalorian and Grogu in Albasta. Right. This is the podcast where Bearcon and I go watch a blockbuster movie in theaters. And then immediately come to the car to talk about our experience watching the movies, our thoughts, have that, you know, iconic conversation you usually have with your movie friends after you go see a movie together. Right. And so we're bringing that conversation to you. In a car, no professional studio equipment, nothing. But hella charm. Hella charm. Bearcon, you've seen the movie twice now. I've seen the movie twice. We'll talk about it at the end of the episode. Are we talking about this one at the end? No, no, no. We're gonna we'll start with this one. We we have this this the order of context. Right. Normally we'll just get into the episode to talk about the movie we just saw, so that if you haven't seen it yet, you can avoid spoilers and everything. We talk about a bunch of non-related movie stuff. Yeah. Some games and everything, so that you can have fun and and uh be part of the journey with us. Exactly. Be in the car with us. But this time I think we're gonna start with the movie review. Yeah, well, I'm gonna show you something, then we're gonna do the review, and then we're gonna put every Star Wars movie and TV show in a tier list. Right. So this is gonna be a very Star Wars heavy episode. And then we're gonna talk about One Piece. Right, of course. We're gonna do we'll end with One Piece. We'll do our One Piece update at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But uh before we get into the worst stars, Michael, I sent you a picture because Scary Movie 6. Have you heard of Scary Movie 6? Of course. Okay, Scary Movie 6 is hopping on the popcorn bucket train. Right. And they released the trend of that is single-handedly holding up the industry. Listen, I made a video about this. I made a video about this, and in 24 hours, uh on TikTok it has almost five million views. Oh. On Instagram, it has a million views, and then I also did a trial reel in a different format, and that also got a million views. So I have three different videos on this one popcorn bucket hit a million. People love the people love the popcorn buckets. People love this popcorn bucket. Take a look at what it is. Okay. It is pushing boundaries in a way that only a scary movie can do. Oh my god. Yeah. Is that like is that a working bong? That's a question everyone's asking. I don't think it actually works. I don't know if it's made of glass. It's got like a water chamber in it. Okay. So it looks like. But here's the thing: this popcorn bucket, or is it unironically? No, that looks like it's actually butter. It's butter and it dispenses. It I unironically is the most revolutionary popcorn bucket I've ever seen in my entire life. Crazy utility. Exactly. That's actually. I'm like, this is why why did it take making a popcorn bucket a bong for us to have this? Wait, because then you can butter your popcorn and then you have extra butter for when you get to like the next layer because normally when you butter your popcorn, it really just gets the top. Yeah. You would have to get like the movie theater employee to like butter it in layers to get the full experience. But with this extra butter chamber, like when you get halfway through your popcorn, you just re-up. Yeah. Or maybe you don't get hilarious. Maybe you don't get butter originally, and then you just like get to a certain point at the end, you're like, okay, now I need an extra shot to get me through. And then you add the butter. Shot of butter. Yeah. Yeah. Or you mean shot of liquor. You mean like you're filling it with liquor. I mean, you could fill it with any liquor. I mean, you can literally have like a like a to-go shot in that too. Yeah. But uh the movie theater experience for scary movie is if that thing is actually made of glass, the movie theater experience is gonna be interesting. I can't. That'd be so expensive if these souvenirs are popcorn. But the crazy thing is just like they all they come in different sizes. That's so interesting. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. I'm like, I just like I can't I'm obsessed with this. I can't like, are you gonna get one? I might. Just for the vibe. Just for the I mean, yeah, could you imagine like you have uh like this popcorn bucket just sit chilling in your home as like a souvenir you put up on the shelf? When people come over, they're like, oh, he's got his bong on full display here. Yeah, like no, this is a popcorn bucket. I swear to God, dude, now you can now all the teenagers out there like hiding bongs from their parents. Mom, I swear to god, it's a popcorn bucket. Put a scary movie six sticker on it. Mom, it's just a popcorn bucket. It used to be like, it was it's a vase, I swear, it's just a vase that has water. Now it's mom, it's a popcorn bucket, please. Don't take my popcorn bucket away. Oh my god. But like I, yeah, it's I really can't get the image out of my head of um the you walk into a movie theater, it's June, and Toy Story 5 is about to come out. So they have Toy Story 5 popcorn buckets, then they have the Mandalorian and Grogu popcorn buckets, and then they have this Bong. Yeah. Like, no, no, no, this is not anyway. Props to Scary Movie 6. I still can't get over the fact that it's like it's a double whammy. It's funny and like use. This is honestly probably, like, speaking as an engineer, the best popcorn bucket anyone's ever made. I think it's the greatest popcorn bucket of all time. Like, unironically, I think it is. It's okay, because popcorn buckets these days need to have two one of three things. Cook. Alright, go for it. They have to either be a good popcorn bucket. Well, of course. They have to either be really suggestive and inappropriate. Just for shock value. Just for shock value for the marketing. Right. And third, it's again one of the three. And third, they have to be really cool collectible, like a cool toy or something. Right. Like that you don't really eat popcorn out of. Like the Masters of the Universe one is like literally just the full-length sword. That's a cup. Oh, but still, it bounce. Manor and Grogu is an ATAT and it's like it's kind of like a small hole. It doesn't really hold that much popcorn. But it looks so cool. The Avatar one, like the Avatar Fire and Ash one, was a dragon. It was a dragon. Yeah. Like what does that hold? But what are they called in Avatar? They're not called. No, they're not. They're um man. If you asked me this five months ago. I know. That's the thing with Avatar lore, is that you like you get really into it like when there's a movie happening, and then you're like, wait, what are the characters' names again? Um but uh yeah, so it's but this this scary movie, Popcorn Bucket, is all three.

unknown 5:37

Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

It's good suggestions. It will have it has popcorn, it has suggestive, and it's a cool collectible. Yeah. Maybe uh people are asking how they're actually gonna get to the popcorn in it. It's the trifecta, though. It's lit, I think maybe the neck comes off. There's like there's a rip, but it looks like there's a line of popcorn in the neck. No, I think you probably like dip it out, right, into your hand a little bit. You can probably reach in there a little bit. Do you think you have to like put it up to your mouth and like Yes? That's what how out you like you'd have to get it absolutely. Like you'd have to be a straw. You literally inhale it. Yeah. And you know, if it's a choking hazard, well, it's but it's a bong anyway. So it's like just there's always a little coughing. Yeah, we'll do it. Do a George Bush and just don't inhale. Do you understand that, Rafa? No, I don't. George Bush said uh famously one time, he's like, I smoked weed but I didn't inhale. So it's like it didn't make it. Oh yeah, like famously. I want to make sure that was George Bush. I'm pretty sure he's George the President of the United States? Yes. That's crazy. Could have said this in like 2000, right? That feels kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

Smoked weed but don't inhale. Let's see who said this.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Is this a weed podcast now?

SPEAKER_01 6:40

Hold on.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

I feel like this was a president of the city. Mom, mom, I wait, wait, wait, wait. I would just I I didn't inhale, I didn't inhale. It was Bill Clinton. That does not Bill Clinton. That makes way more sense. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so before you get in Star Wars, I do want to ask you one question. What's that? The trailer for Avatar The Last Airbender season two came out yesterday. Okay. Um, do you think the animated Avatar The Last Airbender is the greatest show of all time? Okay. This is actually a great point because you yesterday put me in a really unfair position. When we were playing Trash or Treasure last week, and I was saying that Ben 10 was treasure, and you were saying that it was trash, you said, is it better than Avatar The Last Airbender as your first comparison? Yes. That's not fair because a lot of people would argue that the animated Avatar The Last Airbender is the greatest TV show ever made. I don't think it's the greatest TV show ever. So it's like I think that's a crazy take. I love Avatar The Last Airbender. Greatest TV show ever made. I don't think it's the greatest I don't think it's the greatest, but I don't think it's a crazy take. I think it's the greatest anime show of all time. It I I am struggling to think of a competitor. I think it has some great storytelling elements. Like it's I think it's great because it's not too long. I would like one more season. That is that is my biggest beef with the show, is that it's only three seasons. I think it's good as three seasons. I'm glad they didn't drag it out, but I think four seasons could have done fine. I think it was, I think it worked as three. This guy's about to start cutting. I would have liked one more season where Zuko, yeah, it's it might get too loud here. We might have to cut and come back because they're they're blowing leaves around over here, they're doing lawn work. No, this is the podcast where anything can happen outdoors. He might, yeah, you're gonna get a glimpse of him in the camera here when you're gonna get the round. He's at the He's looking right, he's making eye contact. All right, well we haven't had that many guests on the show. He might be like our fourth guest over. What do you think he thinks about Avatar the Last Airbender? I don't know. Do you think it blows? Oh does it Do you think it blows? Do you think Avatar the Last Airbender blows? Is that the joke? Yeah, I got it. Yeah, it fell a bear gun. I understood the joke. He didn't laugh. It was in poor taste. Okay. Anyway, um, I I think a lot of people argue that it's the greatest show ever made. I would have liked one more season because Zuko becomes a good guy, like in the end of season three. I would have liked more time to see Zuko as a good guy. I think we got it. Honestly, there's just enough time of him in the gang, but I I don't I don't think he needed more time. Like, I think it was fine. And we got other stuff where it's like he kind of joined the gang. He gets one episode with each main character. We are getting an avatar movie. Nice. And he'll be a good guy in that. Yeah. So it's like you'll get more of that content. Yeah, that's true. But we didn't for a long time. For years and years and years, we didn't have that. I guess that's true. Because think about it, Zuko joins the gang, and then you really get one episode with each of the main characters where Zuko and them are friends, and then like the show's over. Then it's like the finale. So it's like I would have liked a little bit more time to see the whole gang getting into hijinks. Yeah, I mean, I never I didn't I never felt like I needed more. I felt like it was I always felt like it was just the right amount. Um and I and I really do give it props for uh like ending on a peak and not because so many shows do it ended. They're amazing, and they're like some of the some of the greatest television, but then like by the end of it, you're like wrap it up, dude. You know, I was trying to think, I was like, you know what? I still think like I personally enjoy Clone Wars more, but I think like objectively, I have to say Avatar the Last Airbender is better. Because I was thinking about I was like, Clone Wars does have a lot of filler. Exactly. If you cut it out, then it would be you couldn't beat it. But yeah. Avatar, like it avatar has some filler, but not a lot. Barely any. Like maybe a couple episodes. Yeah. So I don't know. Yeah, maybe it is great one of the greatest animated shows of all time. I I think it's at least top five. And I again I'm struggling to think of things that compete. Um it could be number one. I really respect the number one opinion, and even greatest show of all time. Like, I I I disagree. I kind of like, you know, breaking bad, like the cliche breaking bad war. Yeah. But that's just me, you know. Uh shall we go into Mandalorian and Groo? Sure. Okay, Michael. How many Michaels are you giving the Mandalorian and Group? Oh, sorry, I'm interrupting. But didn't you say the trailer came out? The new trailer came out for Yeah. We didn't talk about it at all. Did you watch it? No. Well then why would we talk about it? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

You don't want to tell you don't want to tell you. I mean, it looks great. It looks great.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

I I wasn't really planning to talk. I mean, I think the season two of Avatar The Last Airbender looks great. Um, I like the live action adaptation. So I'm excited. But I trailers like I love trailers, but especially with like TV shows and these like adaptations, like I gotta watch the show. Like, cause sometimes the trailers can fool me completely. So Okay. That's true. I do feel like a lot of the times, like, I'll I'll love a trailer and then the movie's ass. Yeah. A lot of times trailers are a lot of times when you go to the movie, like you see a trailer and you're like, damn, I wish I was watching that instead of whatever I came here for. You know? I don't think I've ever had I mean I'm creating no, I that's not true. Every time I see Spider-Man, I'm like, man, I wish I was just watching Spider-Man right now. Exactly. That's fair. That's fair. Okay. Sorry to interrupt. Yeah, rude. I know. How many Michaels are you giving the Mandalorian and Grogu? Out of ten Michaels? I'm giving it seven. Okay. I might be at 6.5 Michaels. 6.5. That's fair. We're really close on this. I was at 7. After we watch, after we watch, I went down 6.5. Okay, yeah, because you've already seen it twice. Yeah, I think I think the Mandalorian and Grogu is a good movie. Like I think it's a lot of fun, and I think it's enjoyable. I think it's hard to rewatch. I think the n the standalone story makes it hard to rewatch. Yeah. Um, I I agree with you on that. I think I kept thinking, man, this actually would have just done really well as a season of The Mandalorian. Ah, see, I thought about that too. I don't think it would have. Really? Because it doesn't the story doesn't connect to anything. But there's so many different like elements to it. By the end of the movie, I kind of felt like we were in a in a totally different play. Like, for example, the entire uh section of Grogu rescuing the Mandalorian, I feel like that could have just been an episode. Yeah, yeah. No, that that is the biggest critique of this like movie is that you could literally split up into four episodes. You can tell where the breaks are. You can tell. So it's like it almost seems like it feels like it was written to be a TV show. Right, but what I'm saying is I think if it was a TV show, like if this was season four of The Mandalorn and Grogu, you would have the same problem where because the story doesn't go anywhere, like you don't leave you don't leave the Mandalorian Grogu at a different spot than when you reunited with them. Correct. They're in the same spot the entire time. I do, but except Rada the Hutt is now has now re-entered the picture. Yep. The only other time we've seen him was what, the Clone Wars movie? How do you feel about them reusing that plot line? I don't you know, you had brought this up before I even saw this movie. You said they kind of like r uh uh recycled a plot they already used. I didn't mind it too much because now Rada was so um different. I mean he was an actual character, not so different. Yeah, and he has his own uh like autonomy and like usefulness. Like he actually is like in in the Clone Wars movie, he was almost just like a prop. Like he was like an egg that they were carrying around trying not to break. In in this movie, like he can fight for himself, like he can hold his own ground. Yeah, yeah. So I actually did kind of appreciate that twist on it. I think I was kind of like waiting for this moment, and it never happened. I was kind of waiting for Rada the Hutt to have a moment where he was like, you know, I was a little. When I was little, I was actually around a Jedi named Ahsoka, and like he wouldn't remember. Well, maybe he does. I don't know. How much do you remember from when you were a baby? I think I remember a good amount from my childhood. From when you were a baby. Okay, but he's not a person. He is a different species, they live for hundreds of years. But my point is, I would have I was starting to be interested. I'm like, I wonder if that experience with Ahsoka and maybe the kindness that Ahsoka showed him changed how he viewed things. I think that's a fine take if you if you say that Ahsoka um affected him on like an unconscious level when he was a baby. You know what I mean? Well maybe like I I don't I think I think it's a little I don't think I don't think him being a young child affects like I think Grogu will Grogu remembers Order 66. Grogu's 50 years old or whatever. Radhaku is probably around 50 years old. They're probably the same age. Yeah, but Rada can actually talk and is like beast. Sure, but Grogu's in the same place. The point is that Grogu can still remember if arguably because Grogu is underdeveloped compared to Rada, then maybe he shouldn't be able to remember that far back, but he can. Yeah. But I also think that maybe Grogu was a little bit older than Rada when that happened. Man, I look he said Rada specifically said when I was his age, when I was that small, like when I was a baby, I it was hard. Like he specifically remembered, he has a line about it. Okay. So lawyered. Alright, alright. Anyway, you would have liked to be a good idea. I would have liked some because because I'm like, I personally feel like you can't ignore that it's been recycled. But I feel like I'm the only one who's really fixated on it. So I really appreciate the amount of puppetry they used in this movie. I love the practicality of it. Visually, it's stunning. Exactly. I love when Star Wars goes practical instead of CGI. Yeah, so good. I mean, I mean, obviously, every time Grogu's on scene, all those other little people, what are they called? The other little A's. They start with A, I don't know. Okay. Yeah, they're they're adorable and they're all practical too, and it's like it just adds an element. Even though you can like really tell that they're that they're puppets and they're like their frame rate is kind of bad, it's like it has so much charm to it. It does. You know what I mean? Uh did Imbo have uh significantly more aura? Absolutely, right? Like, I'm not making that up. Let me look him up. Yeah, look that up. Because I could just be like doing my whole I'm bad with names. I've seen Clone Wars three times, and I I'm still he's in one episode. Everyone, when he first appeared in the Mandalorian and Grogo trailer, everyone's like, oh my gosh, it's Embo! I'm like, you guys didn't care about this character before? Don't lie. Yeah, it is Embo. Embo, okay, yeah. Uh I don't remember Embo having so much sauce. I remember liking I do remember liking him, but I liked all of the Bounty Hunters. Every Bounty Hunter in um the Clone Wars was just top tier. You know what I mean? I think, I think we wasted live action, Cod Bane. I think Cod Bane would have been Cod Bane would have been great. He would have been so much better in this movie than in like the one or two episodes of the Book of Oba Fett just to get you know cooked. I think they probably should have switched them. They should have. Embo should have been in the Book of Oba Fett. Cad Bane should have been in the book. It would not have been because like when they brought in Cad Bain, it was already after like we got Ahsoka, Luke Skywalker, like the Mandalorian and Grogu back. Like, Cad Bane wasn't bringing anything to the table. Everyone was already hyped. They were already mixing in all the characters. Cad Bane was like downhill. Like everyone was like, oh, that's cool, but it was also downhill. I don't know. I don't know if it was downhill. People loved Cad Bane. Cad Bane is not, no one was more excited about Cad Bane than Luke Skywalker. Sure. Yeah. That's my point. Yeah. So it's like you could have had Wembo Embo there. But I don't think they introduced Cad Bane and people went, oh, why'd they do that? No, I'm but no, I'm saying though, it like it didn't elevate things because you already were at your peak. So it could have been Embo and it wouldn't have changed anything. I agree. I think they should have switched the two. Yeah. I also have two other story things that I think I would have rather I wanted to happen after watching the Man Ward and Grogu. Okay. Number one, I think it would just I really do feel like this has to connect to everything else that's happening in the universe. And John Favre like mentioned in an interview, he's like, you will see, like, there is like some connection to like Ahsoka. And I'm like, where? I like I could not find like there's no like it's gonna be like one of those things where Ahsoka season two happens. I'll be like, oh, we're forcing a connection. But so I Is it just Zeb? Is that it's probably just Zeb. Is that literally the only connection? I think it isoka. So here's my we didn't know he was gonna be in this movie, did we? Was he? We did, we did. He was in the trailer. Yeah. Uh we knew that Zeb was gonna be in it from like August 2024 at D23. Okay. Um I think he was the only connection. He was. But so there's two things I wish would have happened. Yeah. Sigourney Weaver played Colonel Ward. I think it would have been really interesting if at the end she actually was working for at Grand Admiral Thrawn. I thought there was gonna be a plot twist in there. I thought that would have been a perfect opportunity. I thought there was gonna be plot. Because they're like, I'm like, okay, why does she like I feel like because they're like, oh, we've been working on a connection with the Huts for a long time. I was like, why? Why would you ever, why would you ever do that and not think they're gonna cross you? She was acting real shady. So I was like, I wonder, I was like, I kind of wish there was some type of like twist, and maybe that twist is coming in Ahsoka, but I was like, dude, that should have probably happened. She was like, there's this enemy we know nothing about. We don't know their face. We know nothing about that. And then Rada was like, dude, it's this guy. It's the guy we've already seen. It's like, dude, it's pretty, it's like everyone actually knows this. It's the guy you already knew is a bad guy. Yeah. He's also he's a double bad guy. Yeah. Okay. Well, um so I I I would have liked that for that to happen. The second thing isn't necessarily a plot line, but man, I thought at the end there where Rotto was like, I I think I could just stick around. I think I'm just gonna stick around. And Zeb's like, here, I got just the size. I think I think Ezra should have been with Zeb. I think they should have put Ezra Bridger in the movie. He didn't have to be a main, he could have just been showed that, like, hey, he's working with the Republic. We could have got their union on the big screen, everyone would, everybody would have been thrilled and would have opened the door for Ezra Bridger to look at Rod and be like, hey, you're my son, because you know, he calls himself Job of the Hut. That would have been so funny.

SPEAKER_02 19:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

That would have been so funny. The jokes are right there. That's actually a really good point. We could have gotten the Ezra Zeb reunion literally on the movie screen, on a movie release. Yeah. And then we could have got the Ezra Job of the Hutt jokes in a movie that's filled with the Huts. Yeah. I thought it was right there. And I really thought it could have happened because Amon Asfondi, who plays Ezra, was at all the promotional stuff. Like he was at the premiere, he was doing a bunch of like the mall premieres and stuff. Like he's very like tapped into Star Wars. He literally he literally loves it. So I'm at all this stuff that he's not in yet. Exactly. So I'm like, come on. I thought it was right there. Surely, I mean, obviously there has to be some project. I mean, maybe it's just Ahsoka season two. But there's some project. It's Ah season two. But you would think that he'd be in something else as well. Like you I so maybe I thought it was gonna be this movie. I really did. Yeah. I really thought that's how Ahsoka and I thought it was gonna be him and uh Hera. I thought they were gonna come in at some point. I didn't think they're gonna be like major like plot points, but I really thought Thrawn was gonna be addressed in some way, shape, or form. Yeah. So yeah, they missed opportunities to make this like um like a real pivotal movie, but I I didn't dislike it. No, I do think like it does establish the point of anyone could watch the Star Wars movie. You don't have to know anything. It's a good introductory to Star Wars, I think. There's like very little background information that you have to like you have to know that Rod of the Hutt is the son of Jabba the Hutt. Which they tell you repeatedly. Right, but you have to know why Jabba the Hutt's important. Like you can't, I don't think if you didn't watch the original trilogy, like if you didn't watch like episode six, yeah, but I don't think you can watch this movie, but that's like it. But that's like you, I think it's not that difficult to like find out that it's like, okay, Jabba Hutt was probably some terrible person who died. Yeah. Uh they really like, it's not like things are happening because of things Jabba did. But that's my my thing. People always say, like, oh, you don't have to watch anything before you go watch this. But then you watch the thing and you're like, wait, what are they talking about there? What are they talking about there? And they're like, and then you're like, oh, just pick it up from context clues. But they give you the context clues. But that's what I mean. But that's why that but they literally tell you, I'm not my father. So you can anyone can be like, okay, yeah, so you think that's still talking about stuff that you were not aware of. I don't you kind of there kind of is still homework. I don't think it's that big. People have told me that about Marvel. Projects when I've been like out of the loop and I haven't done my homework. People have said, like, oh, you don't have to watch you don't have to watch anything. You can go. Me. I'm people. Hold on, hold on. I'm literally people. You can go watch this project. And then I watch it and they're talking about shit I have no idea about. And I have to I have to use the context clue. That means I should have seen it. We're talking about the Punisher, one last kill. And literally, they're like, the Punisher killed this group of crime that killed his family. They told you. It wasn't just context, because they told you. It wasn't just the Punisher, though, it was also Daredevil Born Again. You said you can watch without having watched like any of the previous Daredevil stuff at that night. The head of Marvel Television told me that himself. So I was just telling you. He's trying to boost his views. I don't know. Oh, he's a great guy. He's a great guy. And he was right. You didn't have to watch. Allison didn't watch it. She loved it. Allison never seen Daredevil. She loved it. I watched it in like, oh, there they go talking about something that happened in a previous season. I think that's just you. I think that's just I think you're in the minority. You are silly. I'm smelly. I just think that if you if you are fully caught up, and then like you can't tell people really that you're like, oh, you don't have to watch anything to go see it, because then they'll go see it and they'll go, I actually did kind of need to watch stuff to see this. I really don't think in The Mandalorian Grover you do. I really don't. I think I think the the whole you need to watch Job of the Hut in this first 10 minutes of one movie is not like necessary. I think that's very clearly like you know that the huts are bad people. They tell you the huts are bad people, and they tell you it's like this guy is like his son. Like they they tell you everything you need to know. Yeah, but if you don't watch like The Mandalorian and Grogu, all you need to know is that the Mandalorian and Grogu are a father-son relationship. I don't know. And you don't like you don't reference anything else from the show. When they gave him like the ship again, and he's like, oh, we know what this is. He didn't even say, he didn't even say, like, oh, this is like my ship that blew up. He didn't, you you didn't it did not do it matter whatsoever if you knew that this is the second version of the ship he had. If you didn't watch Clone Wars, you don't know who Embo is, and then you didn't need to know who Embo was! He's clearly a bounty hunter! You don't know who Zeb is. You don't didn't need to know! But that's what these are like luxuries, Michael. These are things that would have been nice to know, but you don't have to know them. Literally mixing up like homework versus like it's a set you're missing up essential versus luxury. But then in that case, you could just go watch like you could just start with Avengers Endgame, and then you could say, like, oh, you can you can pick up everything. You can pick up everything based on context clues. That's not the but there's that's my thing. It's not it's not even necessarily context clues. Every they don't re- there none of these things that you're bringing up have any effect on the story whatsoever. It doesn't take away from your experience, it is a luxury. It kind of does because why is the Mandalorian even working for the New Republic? Okay, he's just a bounty hunter and he's like, this is who I work with. He doesn't like it's not like a question. He says, I don't work for gangsters anymore. Okay, so you can't like that's not it doesn't drive anything, but it's it doesn't change anyone's experience. You're saying it doesn't affect the story, it kind of doesn't. No, it really doesn't. Why is the main character doing what he's doing? It's based on things that we have. They're clearly paying him, he's clearly a contractor, and he's like, hey, I'm just gonna take a break. But then that's it doesn't matter. But then he's not taking payment for certain things. He's so what? He's nice! It's it's because of his character development. He's a bounty hunter who's not taking bounties, but who cares? Clearly, he's more the bounty hunter. Who cares? But no one cares. I think that's my point. Is that you're coming at this from a perspective of a guy who knows everything and then telling people you don't need to know everything because you don't and you won't care. You're telling people you won't know. Because you don't I'm they do it, but that's the point. The whole point is like you can they can go watch it. They can go like if they are if they're interested in that, that's good news. That means they can go watch Dress of Star Wars, but it's not essential. That's like I kind of want to learn more about it, but let me go watch the series. It's all things that like drive, it's all things that invoke, oh, maybe I do want to watch Star Wars. Maybe I am interested. I think versus, oh, this sucks. I think you could take the same argument and apply it to like any film in any franchise. When we watched Mortal Kombat, when we watched Mortal Kombat 2, uh-huh, and we knew nothing about it. And they told us what happened in the first movie. Okay, yeah, they literally told it. But like that's and then and then we were like, I well, I wish I'd watched the first movie. It would, I would have appreciated this movie a lot more. Yeah, but it didn't like it, we were able to understand the story of the second movie. It didn't like, I didn't watch like half of the movie going, I have no idea what's going on. I don't know, dude. I've I think that like you could you could literally start with like Harry Potter 2 and then be like, okay, I think I kind of figured out what happened in Harry Potter 1. I know who these people are, I know where where they are, I know what they're doing. But again, that you could apply it to any any movie in any franchise if you're saying like, oh, just pick it up based on what they're saying. Should do with Harry Potter, Deathly Alice, part two, or part one. Okay, so you could so the film. You couldn't start, you couldn't really start with Revenge of the Sith or whatever. Like the point is like you can't like there's Mortal Kombat. Let's go back to Mortal Kombat. Mortal Kombat was different. It was worse. Mortal Kombat was worse because we enjoyed it less because we didn't know some things, even though they told us. But that what my point is with the Mandalorian and Grogu, it didn't like I don't think it actually would have affected how anyone watched the movie. Like, I don't think it would have affected like the things that were happening. Like, you didn't need to know how certain things worked to understand and appreciate what was happening in the movie. If you watched The Mandalorian and Grogu without watching any other Star Wars, comment below what you thought of the movie. Yeah, please do. Please do. If you were ever like lost or confused or just wish that you had uh more knowledge of what was going on. I still think it's a great first movie for Star Wars. I think it's fine. Like you can watch it for the first time, and it will make you interested in everything more so confused. Okay. Uh shall we jump into tiering the entire Star Wars universe? Sure, absolutely. Um where do you want to start, Bearcon? I think we do we just do timeline order? Okay, starting with the acolyte. Acolyte? Good. This is good. We start with we'll start with placing the acolyte on the tier so people are on board with us. Right. All right. Where would you put the acolyte? D. D. I'm putting on D. It's it's like clearly one of the worst Star Wars games. I think it has great moments. I really do. I think it could have developed into something more, but it's a D. Okay. Good. Um Star Wars uh episode one. The Phantom Menace. B in Yeah, let's do B. I think it's a I think I agree. For the same honestly, for the same argument that you said, where it's like, I think there are great moments, but there are also parts where I'm like, I don't know, it's all right. But like the highs are so much more than like the acronym's highs. I think like it's the score's so good. I love the relationship between Qui-Gon and Duel of the Fates? Duel of Fates. It's arguably one of the best Star Wars moments. Yeah. Is Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon Jin dueling Darth Maul to Duel of the Fates. Yeah. Like pro like top tier Star Wars moment, if not a top tier Star Wars movie. It's Speed Racing? It's got Speed Racing. Yeah. Now this is Pod Racing. Now this is Pod Racing. Yeah, I think it's a good beat. All right. Attack of the Clones? That's right, episode two, Attack of the Clones. C. C? Yeah, my least favorite of the main films. Okay. I think we can space it out a little bit. I'll agree with you on that. I I don't feel strongly enough about Attack of the Clones to debate on this one. Padme can almost put it in an S by herself, but unfortunately that's not what I'm bringing. We got Peak Padme, and we have that scene on Geonosis with all of the with Kit Fisto and Maze Windu and Django Fe. It's a good scene. And yeah, all of the Gnocean monsters, the clones come in, and then they duel Count Dooku, Yoda's there. Even as a C, like these are still like good movies, in my opinion. Yeah. I kind of I love the entire like third act of Attack of the Clones. Yeah, that's yeah, but I still think it's a C. Okay. That's whatever. I mean, we know we know where this one's going. Revenge of the Sith. S! S. S! Revenge of the S if. Revenge of the Sss. I mean, there's uh what what what is there to say? The greatest movie of all time. We all know, and if you aren't putting Revenge of the Sith in S, something's wrong with you. You're wrong. You're just silly. Okay. What about the Clone Wars movie? D might also be D. That's a D. Clone Wars movie's a D. It is introducing Ahsoka, though. It is introducing Ahsoka, but it's still a D. Okay. It's not great. Oh, I forgot to screen record this. Ah, Michael. Okay, hold on. Let's take some screenshots here. Michael, you're making your editor's worst nightmare.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

Well, Bearcon, you knew that we were gonna do this at the beginning, and uh, we had this problem last week, and you didn't say anything.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

I I have to set up the screen recording thing on there, too. Hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

Well, I have to I have to get all of these uh all these pictures back now.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

You could have just done it later.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

Well, I'm not gonna remember the order that we did it in later.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

The timeline order? I don't know. I don't have the timeline order memorized. I'm not like you, Barracon. We're four movies in! What's the heart of episode one, two, three? We were five movies in. Oh, okay. Well, one of us was a TV show, so four movies and a TV show.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

Okay. We have The Acolyte in D. We have Attack of the Clones in C. We have Revenge of the I mean uh Phantom Menace in B. We have Revenge of the Sith in S.

SPEAKER_00 30:53

And then we also have the Clone Wars in D. And so now we are at the Clone Wars TV show. Show, yes, but let's start screen recording, shall we? Oh, well, set it up for me. Yeah, let me set it up. Um guys, we also saw a power ballad this week. We did Nick Jonas and Paul Rudd, but because we saw it two weeks early, we're not gonna talk about it this episode. I will say though, that the um that the soundtrack has been stuck in my head for days. The one song? No, well, there's like three songs in it. Okay. They did play that one song the entire movie. Like once they introduced that song, they did not stop playing it for the next hour. Yeah. Okay. All right, we're back. Now we're recording. The Clone Wars TV show. A. Why A? Why not S? Because there is a lot of filler. And there is a lot of like, it's not like a lot of like. I think I have to stand my ground on this. I think it's gotta be S. I think I think like the final season is like S. There's so many S moments in it, but I'm like, what like the clone? You were just saying S, I feel like has to be sacred. You were literally just saying earlier that you think that the Clone Wars might be the best animated. I said I was going to argue it, but then I'm like, you know what? No, I'm not gonna say it's better than After the Last Airbender because there is so much filler. But in your mind, it is arguably the best animation. No, it's one of my favorite shows of all time. But it's not objectively a hundred percent superior to one other animated show. No, I'm just saying, like, in general, it's not 100% superior because there's so much, there is a lot of bad in the clone world. I have to say on my I have to put my foot down on this. I think it's probably the best Star Wars project. No, it's not better than what I think is in the S. A. I'm saying A. I think I'm saying it's in the A. You have two, there's two projects in my brain that I think are S qual. You put Revenge of the Sith in S, and I think that Order 66 is so much better after Star Wars. Of course, but Revenge of the Sith was also still my favorite movie before Clone Wars. I and and the Clone Wars TV show is one of your favorite TV shows. Yes, but as I just said objectively, there is still a lot wrong in the Clone Wars. Erica, I'm not budging on this. It has to go next. I don't think it needs to be. Is this is this your list or is this our list? It's our list. So is it your list or is it our list? I agreed with you on all of this other stuff. I didn't. I I when we brought up Attack of the Clones, I said, you know what? This isn't worth where would you put Attack of the Clones in? I'd probably put it B. I like the entire last act of that movie. It's not my fault that you didn't have the balls to argue on it. No, it's because I was saving it for a moment like this. I was saving it for a moment like this. How do we settle this? I'm putting it in S. I have the iPad. What? I'm putting it in S. I have the iPad. Alright. I would like to make it known that I think it's an A. Okay. Uh next up we have the Bad Batch. Uh C. B. Okay. I think it could be C. It's C. The Bad Batch isn't, it's whatever. You just said it's whatever. But B is literally right in the middle.

unknown 33:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

But I mean B, C, D. No, I think it's I think it's C. Whatever. That's fine with me. It's whatever. Is that the trade? It's the trade. Kenobi. I also think this could be B or C. I think it could be B or C too. A lot of people want us to put it C or D. I really enjoyed Kenobi. Like, I loved it. I think it might be C. It's like the only really good part about it really is the fight at the very end. But I don't like the whole Kenobi lost his mojo angle to it. That's so out of character for him. Is it like I don't know if it's out of character? I think he went through a really traumatic thing. But Obi-Wan's like Obi-Wan's entire character and every other uh project has been the most calm, collected, um, logistical logistical person on screen. But then literally everything he believed in, the per the closest person in his life betrayed him in everyone. But then when we see Ben Kenobi down the line, he's still calm, cool, collected, knows exactly how to do it. Because after like Kenobi, he like he got himself back. Like he was going through PTSD and trauma. But that's why I don't like the whole, like, in the middle, between everything else that we saw before this, he had his mojo. This is the one project where he lost his mojo. I don't I just don't love that. It's like it's not the Obi-Wan that I like. We saw we seen him once in between. And I was like, Exactly. Exactly. And that's why it's so out of character. That's what I'm saying. It's unlike everyone. I don't think he was out of character because he got back to that point. Okay, we're putting him in C then. We're putting him in C. This is ridiculous. Okay. Next we have Solo. D. Yeah. There's nowhere else to put it. I don't even care. Alright. Rebels. Here's my thing with Rebels. The first two seasons, bad. The second two seasons, good. See, this is the same thing with like Clone Wars. Rebels has some of the best moments in Star Wars. Exactly. But a lot of it is bad. And a lot and all unfortunately a lot of it is like after you get through the bad. Yeah. You have to like go through all the mud to finally get through the bad. But again, we are talking about some of the best in Star Wars. Some moments are like if you're gonna hit a high, you're hitting the high. Right. Ahsoka versus Vader. Yes. The Bendu. Ben oh god. You do have Caden's like sacrifice. Yes. But again. World between worlds. Until he get until he gets blinded, like he he as a character's like whatever. But then and but then once you actually start watching his Jedi journey, that's when it he actually gets good. So it's like, that's why I think it might be B. I think it's B. Because it's like literally like I'll give it B. 50 to 50 split. I think it's B. Rogue One. A. B. Really? You can't ar I have to. I you know what? I deserve to have the definitive answer with this. Because I used to be very high in Rogue One. I finished Andor. And Andor is so good, it actually ruins Rogue One for me. Like literally, I watched all of Andor and then immediately played like Rogue One because I was like, I want the full experience. I'm like, wow, this feels wrong. Like Andor feels completely wrong in Rogue One after the show Andor. And I'm like, this doesn't like I have no attachment to these characters anymore. Like it it genuinely ruined the experience for me. So I'm putting it at B. It's very well made, but from a story perspective, I can't unknow what I know. And you know what, Bearcon? I respect your opinion. I'll put another one. Shut up. It can be that easy. It can be that easy. I don't like this. Okay. Maul Shadow Lord. A. It's one season, but it's an A. I think A is pr is pretty good for it. It's really good. Yeah. But it but it's like I need to go back to Clone Wars now for a second. Okay. If Maul continues being peak with every season they release, that to me is an S tier versus what the Clone Wars would be, and you'd have to flip it. Okay. Well, I don't know. No, because like you can't. It would take a lot. It would take a lot to replace Clone Wars, I think. I don't know. Because Clone Wars covers so much. It does cover so much, but that's the problem, is because there is a lot. We don't need to rehash that. Okay. I think right now Maul's an A. I do agree with you because if Maul continues to be as good as it is for longer, then it can go S. Yes. But right now, having like one good season of TV. Eight episodes. Eight good episodes. Eight good episodes. Yeah. I'm like, you know what? You're pretty good, and I'm hooked right now. However, like a year from now, am I gonna be like, oh my god, Maul is peak, I need to rewatch it. Yeah. You know? Um okay, now we're getting to the original trilogy of A New Hope. S. Okay. New Hope's S. First first Star Wars movie started off this entire franchise. You gotta put it in an S just out of respect. It's S, yeah. I mean, I rewatched New Hope recently, and I was like, wow, I cannot, I forgot like how magical and amazing this movie is. Yeah. Like I remember I pulled it up just to like do a bit, like to film something for like social, and then I it took me hours to edit because I just kind of stopped and just rewatched the movie. I just like literally stopped in my tracks. That's so funny. Like I literally stood in front of my TV for like 40 minutes and then sat down on the ground. As soon as John Williams starts playing. I sat down on the ground, Michael, in front of the TV. I was like, I'm just gonna sit right here. Damn. That's crazy. I okay, I agree with you, S tier. Uh moving on, episode five. Episode five, The Empire Strikes Back. I think probably A. I think Empire Strikes Back is the most overrated SARS movie of all time, but it's an A. I just wanted to at least we agree on where it goes. I think it's tremendous. Yeah. I think the first act is so much weaker than anyone wants to admit. But the Hoth act? You don't have to be a little bit more than a lot of things. Yes, it's so much. I don't like how we just skip to like, we just skip over a bunch of stuff and they're like, oh yeah, well, this happened and this happened and this happened. I had a whole relationship with Leia, but then we broke up, so now we're fighting. Like, I don't like that they tell me everything that happened off screen, and I'm like, this is not as this is kind of slow. Yeah. But then there's a point where Luko Sidagobah, from then on, brilliant. Yeah. But I don't like the first half because I feel like I'm like scrambling to catch back up and I shouldn't have to feel that way. I like, I like the whole Hoth act. Honestly, I thought I thought all the acts were very different, but I liked each of them. I think it's unique and still good, but I'm just saying I don't like that I felt like I was scrambling to figure everything out. You and I have talked about this before, so I'm not gonna get too into it, but I do think that's something that's kind of Star Wars the whole shtick where at the beginning of the movie there's just scrolling text that says, here's all the content, here's everything you miss. Yes, but it's not like important relationship things. Okay. That it's just like what's happening in the world, but it's not like Han and Leia did hook up, they had their moment, and then they broke up. Yeah. Like it wasn't even New Hope didn't even end with them like having a relationship. Okay. I mean, that's fair. That's fair. Um, what do you think about Star Wars episode six? Also Return of the Jedi. Also, eh? I actually think I enjoy Return of the Jedi more than Empire Shrikes Back.

unknown 40:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 40:28

They're both top five projects. I think, I mean, honestly, all three of the original trilogy, I kind of put them all almost into like one category. It's hard for me to separate them. Because a lot of the times when I'm watching the movies, I kind of watch I binge watch them. You know? Yeah, of course. So to me, it's like I think they're all pretty close together. Giving a new hope S and then um the Sith the Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi. Sorry, Empire Strikes Back, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, I think putting them all S to A is fair. Yeah, you know? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 41:01

Alright. Uh hold on.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

There's Return of the Jedi and A. So next we have The Mandalorian. The series. The series. Three seasons, yes. I think also probably A. I don't know if it's as good as Revenge of the Sith, A New Hope, or Clone Wars. But it's not as bad as Rebels. I love I think it's the highs of the Mandalorian don't don't match the high of Rebels. I the first two seasons of the Mandalorian's so good. The third season's not consistent. Yeah, the third season's bad. That's where I think it might fall into B. Because of one season. But it's like more it's like two thirds good, and then one of those. Is it two-thirds good, or is there moment is season one great, and then season two is like half and half? Okay. And then season three is bad. So you also think it's I think it might be a B. Half and half is Rebels. I think it might be, yeah. I think it might be low A, high B. I wish there was like a middle ground. I wish there was an A-. No, it's you gotta commit to the colour. I don't wanna I don't want to round up. I'm giving it a B. I really have a problem putting it on the same tier as Rebels. But then again, we did put it. Rebels is we just said Rebels has the highest highs of Star Wars. Yeah, but also some of the lowest lows. Like it was like when it was I don't think it's the lowest lows. When it switched property owners to Disney and Disney was just making it straight. It was always Disney. No, no, no. The Clone Wars was Clone Wars switched. Yeah. Rebels debuted on Disney XC. But that's what I mean. Is that they were doing Clone Wars, Star Wars. The property owners switched, and then Rebels was like in the middle of Rebels. No, no, no. No. When they s when they switched property owners and they started Rebels, Disney didn't know how to do Star Wars properly yet. And they just made it straight up like a show for Disney XD. Right. And it was not good at all. Right. And then they realized, okay, we can get a little bit more adult with this like Clone Wars did on Cartoon Network. And it got better. And so it's like, I don't know if if Mandalorian ever sunk to as low as Rebels did. I think Mandalorian flipped. I think Mandalorian started incredible and then went downhill. Okay. So I do think they have similar during it just kind of it just flipped. Okay, before I place this one, where would you put the movie then? Because you gotta I would put the movie in C. You would put the movie in C. Yes. Dang. I gave it a 6.5. I don't know. I think I would I would put the Mandalorian in A and the movie in B. I I think it's B and C. How are we gonna settle this? Should we put them both in B? No. No, I really don't think so. I think we have to I think we have to settle this somehow. I don't know if I'm just I can just go along with everything. Do you wanna come back to them? Yeah, sure. Okay, we'll come back to them. Because Book of Boba Fett, are you putting that in D? I'm putting that in C. Okay, so you're putting that in C, and you're also putting the Mandalorian movie in C. Yes. You're putting the Mandalorian movie and the Book of Boba Fett in the same category. Only putting the Book of Boba Fett in C because the second half is so good. I think I could I would agree with you with the book on Boba Fett and C. My problem is now putting the Mandalorian Grogu movie in that same category. I think it is in the same category, to be honest. We'll come back to it. Okay. Let's move on to Ahsoka. I think that might be C. I love Ahsoka. I would put Ahsoka in B. Okay. I could see. It's one season. I really enjoyed it. I mean, you brought back Daddy Skywalker, Hayden Christensen. I love what they did. I love Amon Sfondi as Ezra. I like the I like uh Bale Bale Ball. I can't I can't. Ray Stevenson's character. I really liked um I like Sabine and Ahsoka's relationship. I would put it in B. Okay. To me, it's just kind of like, honestly, it it wasn't like monumental or anything. But it's just one season. It just kind of felt mid to me. It's just one season. It's one season. And then season two is probably going to explore like the mortif gods. Uh-huh. Which I think is going to be really cool. I think maybe with more seasons, I could see it going up tiers, but based on season one, I was like, that was like it reintroduced Grand Admiral Thrawn, the Space Whales. I think it's a B. It's one season, though. So it's like I'm believing in the I'm investing in Ahsoka. If we put that one in B, can we put the Mandalorian TV show? You're not budging on that at all. Why are we doing this as a joint tier list? It's because it has been joints. You put Clone Wars in S, even though I didn't watch that. All I'm doing is agreeing with you. The only time where I actually stood my ground was putting the Clone Wars in S. No, there's another one. There's another one where you're like, I'm putting in this one. That was the only one. Let me see the tiers. Let me see the tiers. Go for it. Let me see the tiers. You put Rogue One in B. No. Do you put that wasn't me? I wanted to put it in A.

SPEAKER_01 45:27

You put it in B. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold up, hold up, hold up.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

Yeah, go, go look for it. I'm telling you. I wanted to put Kenobi in B and you put it in C. That's what it was. Oh, I put it down one? Yeah. Okay, so I did two. How many how many projects are there here? I'm just, we don't need to get into that. I think I think Ahsoka, we're investing in Ahsoka. We're believing in Ahsoka. You are. You have to put me in the same category. I just don't like the fact that your hope is so. You are literally just throwing me in the same boat as you. Yeah. Give it thing. You're saying this we're doing. No, you you're making me just your sidekick. Rock, paper, scissors. Okay. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. I win. We're doing whatever I want now, and I'm putting the swan. I'm putting the mandolar in it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What did you do? I'm putting the mandalarin and my snakes. No, take the mandal. I'm putting in the mandalarin. In the middle of the back. This is literally my. I don't care. How do I do this? Taking the back now. No! Stop. And now hold up. You're in my shot. I don't care. In my shot. This is my shot now. I can shot.

SPEAKER_01 46:33

Get out of here.

SPEAKER_00 46:33

Okay, we played rock, paper, scissors. I'm putting the mandaline. Ahsoka. In A. Okay, no, no, no. Can we do this properly? I'm doing it properly. No! I'm doing it for someone playing rock paper scissors in Ahsoka. Now suddenly we're playing for Amanda. We agreed to come back to it at the end. We agreed to come back to it at the end. And you're trying to sneak it in there. Okay, we'll come back to it. Put Ahsoka in C. That's what we played. That's what I lost. Okay, so I did fairly. Now let's continue. Okay. Skeleton crew?

SPEAKER_01 46:58

C. Yeah, also C.

SPEAKER_00 47:01

We have so now we have now we have six in C. I had a heart attack for a second. I was like, what if it wasn't recorded this whole time? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

Now we are looking at what is this? Episode seven? The Force Awakens.

SPEAKER_00 47:18

We're getting into the sequels. Yeah. I think the Force Awakens is tremendous. I think it's probably A. I think it's A. I think I think that's an unpopular opinion, but I think it's an A. I think it's basically a rehashing of episode four. But I don't care. We did episode four and S. I really enjoyed. Yeah. I I really loved The Force Awakens when it came out in theaters. It was such a great theater experience, too. And we didn't have a Star Wars movie for a long time. No, like I really loved it. It was really, I mean, it was amazing when Star Wars came out. I loved the boy bolt choices they made with like Han Solo. I was so happy with it. Yeah. People, people actually did like Kylo Ren's lightsaber. I know people are kind of torn on that, but when Kylo Ren's lightsaber came out in the trailer, I was like, oh, that's crazy. We didn't know a lightsaber could do that. Yeah, so I'm I'm gonna go with it. We liked the whole like unstable look of it. Yeah. No, next one's gonna be interesting. Okay. Um, episode eight. What was this one called? The Last Jedi. The Last Jedi. I think I think The Last Jedi is better than is another one that's better than people give it credit for. I would put it in B. I would put it in B. I would put it in. I would put it in B. Because honestly, it did kind of change a lot of the narrative. Right. A lot of the story was one ship chasing another ship. Right. But they made so many like great risks that I really appreciated. And I do think, I don't think Luke Skywalker acted out of as out of character. I would argue that your argument that Kenobi was more out of character in Kenobi is more accurate than saying Luke Skywalker is out of character in Last Jedi. Yeah, I'd agree with you. So I also especially love the moment with him and like Yoda where he's like, but the text, like that's where it's supposed to be. And Yoda's like, no. Who cares? It's like it's not. I liked when Kylo Wren was like, join me. Like we could do we could build something like that. The throne room was so good. The throne room sequence is so good. I really liked Kylo Wren killing Snook. I wish that we knew more about Snoke before that killed. Yeah, but that comes down to a decision of uh it should have all been one director and a cohesive story. Okay. Um can you turn like the car actually all the way on?

SPEAKER_01 49:27

I don't know. Alright. Um whatever, I'll fix it later. Okay, let's do episode nine, The Rise of the Skywalker.

SPEAKER_00 49:36

Rise of Skywalker. D. No. I think it's C. I'm C. I'm gonna put it at C. I think it's one of the worst Star Wars. I'm gonna put it at C because like I really had fun watching it in theaters. I didn't really. I really enjoyed it in theaters. I don't think it's good, dude. And I'll say C is like great. We put we put a bunch of other stuff in C. I mean, this is would you say that this is one of the worst Star Wars projects? Like out of all 25 of them or whatever. It's the worst of the not. It's one of the worst. It's the worst of the Skywalker saga. So it's already like one of the it's already in the bottom half. Okay, fine. I think I think it's gotta go in the sky. I do want to give its props as a great theater experience. I think the if we're just comparing it to other Star Wars projects, even if you do think it's a pretty okay movie, it's one of the worst in the Star Wars franchise. Okay. And then we know where this is going. Andor. Andor's A. Oh, you don't think it's S? No, I think it's A. I think it's incredible. Um, I think if it was like another season, it could have been S. Um I think it's A. Alright. I'll put it, I'll put it in A. I actually haven't seen it. So I'll defer to your judgment on it. Alright. So now we actually have to get to the um the difficult conversation. The Mandalorian TV show and movies. I think Mandalorian is B and the movie's a C. I think they are the the TV show is A and the movie is B. Season three. You can't be an A, but a third a season be bad. You can't. Like you it doesn't make sense to me. Like you can't do that. If you're saying like season three is bad, it's not an A. What would you rate the Mandalorian TV show out of 10? Probably like a 7.5. Okay, and you rated the TV show a 6.5. The movie is 6.5. So they're pretty close. Yes. Okay. But I don't think that's a good thing. No, like no, no, no, no, no, no. No. First two seasons are like an 8.5. Okay. The third season is like a 5.5, maybe a 6. Okay. Um no, I don't think it's actually that close. I think I think I would I think I would prefer all three seasons of The Mandalorian versus Mandalorian and Grogu. Like, I think season three is better than the movie. But I think I don't I think season three is too bad to give it an A tier. I think it's B. I really like in my heart, like putting an A seems like a mistake. What if we put them both in B? A compromise? Yeah, compromise. Because we also have a bunch of C's already. If we put another thing in C, okay, fine. We'll compromise. Alright, we'll compromise. We're putting both Mandalorian projects. We're lumping them together and putting them both in B. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 52:14

Alright, and that's our tier. Hold on one sec. There it is. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 52:19

So just to recap, in S tier, we have Revenge of the Sith, The Clone Wars, and A New Hope. In A Tier, we have Maul Shadow Lord, Um, Revenge of the Sith, not Revenge of the Sith, The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi. Yes. Um, what was episode seven called? The Force Awakens. The Force Awakens and Andor. In B tier, we have uh Phantom Menace, Rebels, Rogue One, Episode 8. I forget the sequels all the time. It's Jedi. The last Skywalker. Well, it's the well, Rise of Skywalkers indeed, but it we have um The Last Jedi, and then both Mandalorian projects. C tier we have um Attack of the Clones, The Bad Batch, Kenobi, Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka, and Skeleton Crew, and then in D tier we have Acolyte, the Clone Wars movie, and then Solo and Rise of Skywalker. Yes. I think that's a pretty good tier thing. It's fair. We'll see how we get code. Some things might be one tier in a different direction, but I don't think that we terribly messed up anything. We encourage your opinions. Okay. Anyway, I think that's our episode. No, no, we got one piece. We got one piece. We're not skipping one piece again. Of course not. I am we have now watched through episode one, two. I have a confession. What? I finished Albasta. I slept for two hours last night and I binged through the entire episode. I'm not talking about that. I know we're not talking about it. I just want you to know, I'm just being honest with you. I was like, I I literally was like, fuck it, I'm gonna watch the whole thing. I wait for you. If I watch ahead of you, first time I waited. This is the first time I didn't wait. I was just like, I'm binging through. I'm binging through. And to be fair, to be fair, last episode we said we were gonna do this. So really, I was just doing what we said.

SPEAKER_01 54:02

You're an asshole for that. I am.

SPEAKER_00 54:06

You're making me look bad now. I don't care. Because Alfazo is so good. Okay. Sorry. Now I'm pissed. Now I'm pissed, bro. I'm sorry. What do you want to talk about? We could talk about episodes one uh 110 through 120. That's fine. Unbelievable. Unbelievable, this guy. Okay. I'm sorry. There was a really important line in this batch of episodes that kind of went under the radar for me. Um what's what's her name? Miss Miss Zero, whatever her name is. Um all the all the unfortunately, all the women's names in Baroque works like don't make any sense to me. There's like Miss Merry Christmas, Miss All Sunday, Miss Golden Week. I'm like, yeah. These are like such like nothing names to me. They're just like random like uh groupings of words that I have trouble like telling who is. Because I have their real names either. Yeah, exactly. They're not even they're aliases. The numbers at least make more sense to me. Yeah. It's like, oh, you're stronger than the other person, so then you're Mr. Three, who's stronger than Mr. Two. Right, right. I'm like, how am I supposed to I'm remember the mole lady, but Miss Golden Week is, I think she was the one with the umbrella? Anyway, Miss Zero, whatever her name is, um, I think her name is Miss All Sunday, uh, says something really cool when Luffy was impaled and struggling to survive, like staying out of the sinkhole. She said, You were given the name D. Because his name is like Monkey D. Luffy. Yeah. And I was like, and she was like, made it seem like that was so important that he inherited that or something like that. And I was like, what is what do you mean he inherited the D? That's the middle name. And then I was like, wait, I Gold Roger, they then started calling him Gold D. Roger. Like when we first heard of Gold Roger, it was like his name was Gold Roger, and then at some point in the show they started saying Gold D. Roger. Somehow, Monkey D. Luffy is related. Related to Goldie Roger. To Goldie Roger. He inherited his name somehow. Yeah. I think that was really important. And I don't even think Luffy knows that. I don't think he like he picked up on it. He didn't he didn't seem to like react to it. And in fact, when I watched it, I was like, what was she talking about? And then I was like literally thinking about it like later in the day, and I went, oh my god. Like it clicked for me later. There's some things that I know that isn't an albasta. It's from watching the live action that that doesn't answer the question, but gives me theories, but I can't explain my theory to you. This is literally why people were telling us not to watch the. I know, I know. This is why I stopped watching it, because I was like, oh, you're pissing me off right now. I'm sorry. You're making me really mad this episode. And you're really lucky that we're best friends, and I'm gonna forget about this in 20 minutes. You didn't say you haven't said you haven't said the word yet. We're okay. The code word has not come up. I'm sorry. I'm like, but like Michael, like, this is what they wanted. They wanted us to get to the point where it's like, no, I don't care. I'm gonna binge it. Yeah, but we should also be on the same page. We should be a united front. I was weak. I was weak, Michael. I was weak, and I watched an extra 10 episodes. I'm sorry. That's alright. That's alright. We're moving on. I do know so, but so somehow the live action gave you a hint as to like what's going on with this D situation? A little bit. Okay. Yeah. Well, don't tell me, I guess. I'm not gonna tell you. I don't even the thing that sucks is like I really don't know when we can have this conversation. Oh, right, because you don't know like when in the story, like when in the anime this information would have come up that they just decided to put in the live action. Yes. Okay. Alright. Well, yeah. I loved in this the this 10-episode grouping how resilient the group has had to be. Oh my god. It's such like I think that's so like because we talked about like how it's nice that like Luffy finally like lost, and we've seen like Zoro lose before, but it's like I love that like everyone's being put through the ringer. Like Chopper and Usopp like put through the ringer. Yeah. Um Luffy had his Mihawk moment, like that Zoro had. Luffy had his moment where he realized, like, oh, like there are people out there who are stronger than me. I need to like level up. Yeah. Hopefully, I mean, we still haven't seen how Luffy like recovers and like how his mindset would change, if at all. Like, I don't know if maybe he'd have the same reaction as Zoro, but they had very similar moments where they faced someone who was like way stronger than them before they were ready. And even like it's it was crazy when um when Crocodile had his line that was like um people like you come to the grand line all the time, thinking you're like hot shit and stuff, and yeah, I have to kill. I mean, like Luffy didn't even get like a solid punch in on Crocodile. So, like to Crocodile and Luffy's just your run of the mill pirate. That's like how crazy the like the difference between them is. You I'm gonna say I'm actually gonna say one point that's relevant to this conversation, and I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say. Uh I also really love Sanji's fight with the Doppelganger. Oh, me too. And I was like, I love that he kept switching to Nami. I was like, that's such a good, like, that's a good weakness for Sanji. Sanji's such a high, he's down so bad. Get it together, man. He's down so bad. It almost cost him. It almost cost him. He thought of that for a second. He's like, I know, he's like, I know it's not, but my heart wins. I know. He had to get Mr. 2 to change back before he would even hit him. I know. He won't hit, well, he doesn't hit women in general. Even though he knew it wasn't a woman. Yeah, he's like, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't. Yeah. I really, I really enjoyed it. Uh, Michael watches every One Piece episode on the Patreon. I personally might go back and watch your reactions to the final 10 episodes of Albasca. Okay. I haven't watched them yet. I was very much like you haven't seen, I know you haven't seen Alabaska. I finished Albaska. I was very much I was very much on the board on the notion that I was like, I don't think this will beat replace Arlong as my favorite. And now I'm like, Oh. You were you were putting Arlong Park above Alabasta. I loved Arlong Park. I love Alabasta. But now I'm like, Alabasta is is peak. Yeah. It's so good. Because of the ending. The last 10 episodes I think are so good. Interesting. Okay. Uh so Crocodile dropped a line that out of left field, right, when he had everyone on the ropes, he was going, he's like, where's the Pluton? Which is apparently some sort of super weapon that Alabasta has that nobody knows about except the royal family. And apparently that's what Crocodile's been after like this whole time. Is that apparently Alabasta has nukes, and Crocodile wants these nukes. Which is so surprising to me, because I'm like, we've already seen like incredibly powerful weapons, like the buggy bombs. And like even right now, Crocodile is saying that he's about to drop a bomb that's gonna level like everything in a five kilometer radius, like uh in the town square. I don't know if he actually ends up doing that or not. You finished Alabasta, I haven't yet. But he's but he's not sorry. He's threatening to use this like massive bomb. So it's like, wait, if he has act if there are already these crazy powerful weapons and explosives out there, how much more powerful could this Pluton be? Yeah. I don't know if this ends up actually playing like a major plot point or not in this story, but it's like it's it's definitely something to consider that it's like it's it's way stronger than everything we've already seen. And we've seen some crazy stuff. Um something else that I thought was really cool. Apparently, inanimate objects can eat devil fruit. You don't seem surprised by that at all. I'm not. I mean, I've it was like 10 episodes ago. A gun, a gun ate a dog devil fruit and gained sentience and started walking around like a dog. He can still shoot stuff, but a not a dog ate a gun devil fruit. A gun ate a dog devil fruit. I just I want to know, like, okay, the more I watch One Piece, the more I'm like, how is the One Piece not a fruit? Uh-huh. Like, it the fruit are so powerful. It's the whole power system. Yeah, I'm like, it has to be like a one like the one piece. To me, the one piece has to be the fruit that, like, if I eat it, I could tap into any one piece power, like any dev fruit power I want. Like, that's what it has to be, right? So you're saying that the one piece is basically the omnitrix of One Piece. You're saying it's the Ben 10 watch of the anime One Piece. Yes, that's that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying that you think the best thing that a writer could possibly create is basically a better version of the Omnitrix. I'm saying that the One Piece what didn't One Piece come before Ben 10? Actually, I'm even I'm pretty sure there's actually like an ultimate Omnitrix that lets you turn into like anime. Didn't One Piece come before Ben 10? No, One Piece started in like 2000. Ben 10 started like early 2000s. I mean One Piece started in like One Piece in the 90s. Yeah, yeah. So he knew what the One Piece was going to be well before Ben 10 was ever established. Yes. So my point being that Ben 10 just feels like it's already been done before? Ha. No, but we don't know. Nobody even No, because I'm right. I will be right. Bearcon, let me let me know. No. You tried, I was trying to have a good theory conversation, then you're throwing Ben 10 in my face. Bearcon improvising? No! Stop it. Um But the creators of Ben 10 couldn't have known that the if the One Piece was a fruit that lets you turn into anything, because we don't even know. Nobody knows yet. I think the One Piece is a fruit that lets you turn into anything. I just think it's interesting that your theory is that the greatest treasure in the One Piece universe is basically the tool that Ben 10 uses. And you were just saying that Ben 10 is trash. I was saying I felt uninterested because there's better versions of the story that I could go see instead. Something else though Because I think One Piece is better than Ben 10 so far. Something else I thought was interesting was that, okay, so we saw that the the the gun ate the dog dog fruit, but then we saw another guy, what was his name? Chaka turn into um a jackal using his dog dog fruit. He was like dog dog fruit, go like jackal mode. Which means that the gun and chaka had the same fruit, like the same type of fruit, which means either there's like multiple fruits that give you the same power, or they like you can like split up the fruit and they both ate like part of the dog dog fruit. Now, when you do that, do you think they each have like the full like blanks of their powers? We are we're assuming that you are assuming right now that they they took one fruit and they chopped it up. They might have each had an individual dog dog fruit. I want to know, like, I want to know like the production of these fruits. Yeah, how are they made? I need to I need the double fruit lore immediately. How are they made and what gives them their unique powers? Like, how do you how is a ro how is a gum gum fruit made versus a smoke smoked fruit? Do you think it's like somebody like manufacturing like fruit? Like it's actually something that's being manufactured? 100% doubt that. So you think it's just some like again, so it has to be involved with the one piece then. I think it's I think it's like a natural thing. I think they're grown. Like I think they like grow out of it. It's a thing. It's a fruit. It's a fruit fruit. It's literally a fruit. No one's manufacturing fruit, they're farming it. It just feels like, it just feels like, okay, it feels like if Go on. It just feels like if this is something that just naturally like has always happened, it feels like there'd be more of it. Now I do know, I do recognize that it does feel like a lot of people have devil fruit powers, but a lot of people don't. I think that majority don't, because devil fruit flowers is like such a like a you shouldn't do this type thing. I think they're like magical though. I don't think they're just like a normal fruit. That's my strong base. I don't think like they just like were they always there? Did they just suddenly appear? Like I there has to be an origin. I think there's like a very specific magic and and maybe place or circumstance that they are grown in. And I don't think that it's really possible to farm them. But that's what I'm saying. Like it's there's something like that. I think they're very because even in like episode like if it's impossible to farm them, then it had to be made But like it doesn't When we when we first When didn't when and why did they just start appearing? When we first saw like Luffy eat the gum gum fruit, Shanks was like, this thing is worth a hell of a lot of money. He I think he said like five million berries or something like that. But that's my point. Like so it's like they're like super rare, they're valuable. That's my point. Like something. Thing, but like if it's so rare, then it's like it's being manufactured, but it's being manufactured at a rate that cannot be sustained. I don't think they're manufactured, I think they grow randomly. But like that's the thing. Like, if it was at some I want to know what point, I'm not disagreeing with you. I just want to know at what point that started happening and what like what was the reason it started happening? Why devil fruit existed all? Because like if it always was was around, I don't think it would be as rare as it is. Okay. So like maybe we're at the point where like devil fruit really is like a newer concept. And when I say newer, I mean like within 50 years of the story. Oh, okay. But like I want to know like what happened, and I want to know if it's related to the One Piece. Interesting. Did they ever mention like Devil Fruit powers before Goldie Roger? No idea. Does Goldie Roger have Devil Fruit powers? I would assume so. Was he maybe the first one who had Devil Fruit powers and that's why he was able to become the king of the pirates? Could have been. I have questions! I think that's a strong theory. I think Goldie Roger might have been the first Devil Fruit guy, which might be how he became King of the Pirates, and might be related to like what the One Piece is. Like him using the One Piece might have created devil fruit. Maybe he like, yeah, and maybe he just like spread devil fruit. Yeah. It's like a it's like it became a symbol, like a marking, like he was here. Yeah. Who's brave enough to eat a dove for power and join my crew? Who knows? I don't know. I guess we'll find out. We'll find out. Well, that's our episode. Thank you guys so much for watching and driving in with us. Um be sure to follow us at the Drive in Movie Pod on social media. Subscribe to the Patreon if you want to watch Michael's reactions, do One Piece. And the YouTube so you can watch the you know all of our videos and stuff. 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Thank you.