05 - Beyond Horoscopes: Deep-Dive Astrology and Life Lessons with Penny Dix

Today, I had the pleasure of speaking with Penny Dix, an astrologer with a rich background in both astrology and psychotherapy. Penny shared how deeply important our astrological charts are throughout our lives, offering us insights into our strengths, challenges, and life paths.

We dive into how to deepen your own knowledge of astrology and how Penny herself expanded her expertise during lockdown — using this time to not only grow but to also help others. Through her YouTube channel and live broadcasts, Penny has built a dedicated following, sharing her passion for astrology and offering valuable insights.

In this episode, Penny even took a look at my personal chart and gave me some fascinating insights into what’s to come. If you’ve ever wondered about the power of astrology or how it can help you navigate life’s journey, this conversation is for you!

Edited and produced by Mike at Making Digital Real

Transcript

Hello Penny, thank you very much for joining me today. Are you well? I am great and very much looking forward to this, Stacey. I know this is very, very exciting.

Come on, unexpectedly, and it'll be fun. I love talking about astrology and all things esoteric. Oh, fabulous, fabulous. 

So, how did... I mean, astrology is such a massive subject, and we had a brief discussion before, and what we were saying was that, obviously, as much as you can learn about astrology, there's always something more to learn. I know when I've looked into having my moon guide done before, my moon reading done before, I don't actually know what time I was born. Both my parents are past. 

It doesn't tell you on your birth certificate, so I'm like, well, how did you find out? So, there is a way to do it astrologically, and basically, it's a system called rectification. And through a session with a client, you look at the transits over the last, you know, well, really, over their whole life, and you look for significant events. So, there's a lot of interactive discussion, and when you can identify the area of your life where the significant events are unfolding, it gives you a better clue as to the most likely rising sign, because it's the time of birth that gives you the rising sign, and that's obviously the key, because if you don't have the rising sign, also known as the ascendant, which is determined by the time of birth, basically, it's quite difficult to work with astrology in the sense of what is going to unfold, and in what area of your life, if that makes sense.

But that does make total sense, that, yeah. So, the rising moon isn't the one that you're born with. So, I, well, I'm, should I tell you what I am? Because actually, I mean, you can tell me what you are, but I would think Leo has to be quite big in your chart.

Yeah. I'm actually a Capricorn. Okay. 

I still think Leo must be in your chart. In my chart. How interesting. 

Because with me being a Capricorn, I'm, so that's my one that I would have with the date I was born. So, the rising is not the date you were born then. So, what's that? It is. 

So, the rising, so I'm a Capricorn rising. Is that right? No. No.

No. No. Okay. 

I'm making it up as I go along now, are I? When you were born, the sun was in the sign of Capricorn. Okay. Because your birthday must be in December, November, December.

December, yeah. What date is it in December? 29th. Okay. 

You're 29th of December. So, you're really right in the middle of Capricorn. Okay.

Now, when we're born, there is a sign that will be rising over the horizon. Okay. So, if you know what a birth chart looks like, it's a big circle with all the signs round.

And the line across the middle is the horizon. And everything that is in the upper hemisphere is what was visible in the sky when you were born. Everything below the horizon is obviously what was not visible in the sky when you were born. 

So, depending on what time of day you were born, the rising sign is the sign that is coming up over the horizon when you were born. So, say your son was in Capricorn in the sixth house, which is below the rising sign, okay, or below the horizon, then most probably your rising sign would be Leo. Because that's where I know it automatically where it will be on the floor. 

But there are three important components of a chart. One is obviously where the sun was, but that's not the most important part. So, the birth day and the sun just give us a general idea because often we don't have any other planets in that sign. 

So, sometimes it's just the sun in Capricorn for instance. And so, then the moon is important where the moon is. So, I would go for you having a fire rising sign or moon sign because that's why I'm coming up with Leo. 

So, either your rising sign could potentially be Leo or your moon is in Leo, but definitely I would pick up from you having known you now for four minutes that there is fire in your chart. MS. Why? What gives you that though? AP. Okay. 

Well, look, Capricorn is a very determined sign. Hence, I would imagine you are a very hard worker and you set a goal and you achieve it and you get the results. MS. Yeah.

AP. Now, if you're doing this kind of work, i.e., the podcasts, then you're quite likely to put yourself out there, to put your head on the parapet and get shot at potentially. Okay. 

And also, your hair. Your hair is Leo. MS. It is. 

It's fiery, isn't it? Yeah. AP. It's fiery. 

So, there has to be fire in your chart. It's Aries. It's Leo or Sagittarius.

I mean, Sagittarius could be prominent in your chart because I think you're a medium. MS. Yes. AP. 

Yes. So, I'm thinking about the signs where one is in touch with and able more easily to connect with these higher frequencies. Okay. 

So, Pisces also could be prevalent in your chart because that's the 12th sign of the Zodiac and very much about being able to connect with the luminosity of the universe. So, it wouldn't perhaps be a surprise if you had a rising sign of Leo and a moon in Pisces. Okay. 

And I mean, I can do your chart very quickly using a noon time, which would give us a rough idea of where the other planets are, and that might give me an idea as to what your rising sign is, just so that people that are listening or watching just get a sense of how this works. So, shall I do that? So, let's go to new natal chart and put in your name. And then date of birth is 29th? MS. Yeah. 

12th. AP. December. 

It has to be December. And that would be 19... MS. 84. AP. 

84. And we'll put in a 12 noon... 12 noon time. And then we need location is also very important. 

So, United Kingdom? MS. Yes. AP. So, Keighley. 

K-E-I-G-H-L-E-Y. MS. Okay. There it is in Yorkshire. 

A Yorkshire lass. AP. A Yorkshire lass.

MS. Yeah. Well, this is very interesting. Whoa. 

Okay. AP. Whoa. 

There we go. I like interesting. MS. What's interesting is that a noon chart gives you an Aries ascendant, which is fire, which is just interesting. 

But it also puts your moon in Aries. So, it gives us a fire moon. But it's at zero degree, which is super interesting because depending what time you were born, it'll make your moon Pisces if it was earlier. 

Do you see what I mean? So, I would err on the side of, I bet your moon is in Pisces. I would lay money on your moon being in Pisces and your rising sign probably is Aries. And that would put... So, what I'm going to do now is put some hours in and just... Okay. 

So, I've gone back one hour and it puts... This could work potentially because... But I'm just going to change that to minutes and go forward a bit. I'm just going to see if we slip into Aries. Bear with me. 

Okay. This is what I like. Okay.

I've got you at zero degrees Aries as an ascendant. Your moon in Pisces at 29 degrees, which would be very powerfully placed because the final degree of a sign gives it extra energy. But it also puts it conjunct what we call the ascendant, which would mean if I was meeting you as a client, I'd go, whoa, this lady is powerful. 

This lady is somebody who is deeply spiritual and is able to, I would imagine, connect with spirit because it's in the 12th house. It would just happen to be. And this gives you a birth time of 11.36 in the morning.

Right. Does that resonate on any level? Yeah. To be fair, I've got around 10 something I was born in the head. 

But like I said, I don't know. I actually don't know. And I've nobody to ask. 

Okay. So why don't we just play around and just go back an hour to 10.36, which is also very interesting because that still puts your moon in Pisces. It gives you an Aquarius ascendant, which means you are able to connect to these higher frequencies.

And it puts the moon in Pisces in the first house. It puts your sun in Capricorn, as we know. And what is super interesting is that I'm just going to bring in, I'm going to save that because I think that could be pretty much on top. 

The reason Aquarius feels quite good is that Aquarius is, again, about this sort of the community at large, putting yourself out there, that people would see you as somebody who is in some ways a bit remote, in some ways a bit unapproachable. So correct me if I'm wrong. Okay. 

So it would be that your people would perhaps put you up there a bit rather than here. They would perhaps be in awe of you. Okay. 

And what I want to ask you is what happened on your first, what we call the Saturn return, which was what was happening for you when you were about 28, 29, 30? Something probably quite significant will have happened around that time. I got 29, 30. Do you know what? I had a full family realisation around 30 about things that I've grown up with weren't quite as I'd seen.

And I feel like I went into a full different parent mode then. So I feel like I swapped my parenting to how I thought it should be as growing up to how actually I wanted to parent. Does that make sense? Yes, it does. 

It does. And that would fit in with the chart because it puts Saturn in Scorpio in your eighth house. Now the eighth house is the house of transformation and transition.

It's also beginnings, endings, sexuality, deaths, births. So rebirth, great big transformation. It can also be joint finance, our investments, the money we put aside to make sure we have enough.

So that is also under the guardianship of the eighth house. And it's a Scorpio house. So it's incredibly deep house. 

It all's about going down and facing the shadow. Does that make sense? Yes, it does. Massive life. 

Yeah. And so I think we're probably pretty close to your birth time. So it puts it at 1036.

I mean, this is exciting. I mean, really, Penny, you should be doing this for a job because you're very good at this. I am. 

I am. Oh, sorry. That was a joke. 

Oh, you Aquarius risings. So difficult to connect with you. How do you get into astrology? Did you sort of fall upon it or how did it come around? Okay. 

So when I was... The first thing I remember is when I was about five or six years old, my parents gave me one of these lovely big colour books, which was colourful pictures. And it was called the solar system. And it was all the different planets that we knew of at that time in the solar system. 

And I just loved this book, looked at it every day and learnt all the names of the planets and where they were in relation to the earth. So it fascinated me. Anything to do with space, the universe, infinity, astronomy fascinated me.

And then what happened with the astrology was it just caught my imagination because it's a blueprint of your life. So a birth chart is like we have been given a map to help us to find out the best directions to take at the various crossroads that we can come to. So it's about impelling energies rather than compelling energies. 

So it's not this is what will happen. The beauty of astrology is the more awareness we have of the astrological energies and how we are governed by them, it gives us some ability to have choice to learn the best way to how do I manage this coming energy, for example, and I'll fill in the gaps as we go along. But when the pandemic hit in 2020, now at that point, I had been studying astrology on and off randomly for 30 years, I guess, 35 years. 

But alongside that or my main profession at that time was that I trained as a psychotherapist, a psychoanalytical psychotherapist. So I worked as a psychotherapist for 20 years, 30 years in the UK. And then in 2002, no, 2004, my mother had a stroke.

I decided let's move to Gozo. We'd often come here on holiday. Let me look after her in Gozo.

It might be nicer, more easy. It turned out to be a really good decision. So I've been here 21 years.

She passed in 2015 at 89, bless her. But anyway, coming back to 2020, I thought, you know, COVID, well, I can either sit here and get really anxious and worried and upset and frightened by this thing that we didn't know what it was, or I can do something constructive. And what I did start with was I started doing some live broadcasts on Facebook, talking about how to cope with anxiety, how to cope with stress, how to cope with isolation, how to cope with loneliness, all those kinds of topics in an effort to be proactive with the skills that I had as a therapist.

At the same time, I kind of would mention we have a full Moon coming up or we have a new Moon coming up. And at that time, I was still studying with an astrology teacher that I'd been with for some years. And basically she sort of said to me, I'm going to kick you out the nest. 

You've got to start doing this properly. You've got to start doing other people's charts. And I decided I'd always wanted to have a YouTube channel and do astrology on it. 

And so in June 2020, with the help of someone who found me through Facebook, who was in marketing, she helped me set up the YouTube channel and grow it. And so today, and so that was how I got through COVID, doing astrology, doing the monthly forecast, the full Moon, the new Moon, and started taking clients, got a website and everything set up and started taking clients. So that now I've got about 33.9 thousand followers on YouTube. 

A big channel. And my biggest market is the United States. So that's my key market. 

And I love it. And I think you would probably align with this, with the work you do, that I don't think we can do the kind of work we do if we're not passionate about what we're doing. And I'm absolutely passionate about astrology and the empowerment it can give another through understanding their own natal chart.

And I think it's important to say at this point that it's not fortune-telling. It's not a horoscope. When we went into the horoscope era 50, 60 years ago, it's given astrology a bad name because it's actually a very serious science and you have to actually understand astronomy before you can understand astrology. 

So I don't know what it would be termed as a pseudoscience or an esoteric science. I'm not really quite sure how it would be termed, but basically astrology is quite scientific. And if we bring it down to very simple terms that we know the Moon governs our menstrual cycle in a 28-day cycle. 

Therefore, because we are fluid, we are water, our body is made up of water. So the Moon affects the tides of the Earth. The gravitational pull of the Moon affects the body and it affects the psyche and the soul. 

Therefore, the Sun also gravitationally has an effect on our soul, as do all the other planets. And when they are in a geometry together, which would be say a square or a trine or an opposition or a conjunction, the combined energy of the symbolism of those planets affects us in the area of the chart that is governed or the area of life that is governed by that point in time on our chart. Shall I stop talking for a while so you can talk? I'm listening. 

I'm enjoying myself now. I'm away with you there. Well, the thing is, what I was just saying, what was just coming to mind, and I'm very interested. 

Do you know when, I mean, I massively work with the Moon anyway. So the Moon phases, I have Moon Club, we have everything. And anybody that, you know, is saying to me at the time, like, you know, I feel right emotional at the minute. 

And I'm like, oh, well, it's because this is happening. That Moon will set you off with this. It's like we're in Taurus, new Moon now out. 

So it's all about like grounding and abundance and bringing in what you want and setting out goals for what's going on. So I've just, my mind went somewhere else that I was thinking when you said psychotherapy. Do you know, like, if somebody's suffering massively with like mental health issues or anything like that, that could be just down to the way that their sign is at the time, what's affecting them and the energies of the Earth, couldn't it? Do you know what I mean? I mean, I obviously think of the Moon, but when you said, and obviously the Sun as well and the other planets, sometimes we forget about those, don't we? Yeah, exactly. 

And it's a very important point because yes, psychotherapy and, or self-development, psychotherapy, psychology marry very well and blend very well with astrology. And people who may be suffering from, say, anxiety, depression, relationships that never work, career direction, don't know what to do, you know, this, these kinds of issues can be really helped by astrology because it gives you a map and it says, look, this is why this is not unfolding at the moment. And I think when we understand, oh, okay, it's not meant to happen at the moment, it's about timing because I have to address this part of my life at the moment rather than focus on that, you know, it's like we say, you know, if a door doesn't open, it's not your door.

And so it's actually about reading the signs and reading the, you know, the messages, understanding the messages that the astrology is giving us. So it is an amazing tool. It's an amazing map. 

And if you know your chart well and you understand, for example, you're talking about the moon, if one made a note of how you feel, if you have a, you can go on, there are various websites like astroseek.com, which is a really good one, where it gives you the moon, the moon's phases, which sign it's in, what part of the body it rules, et cetera. You can make a note in a journal of how you feel every time the moon is in, for instance, Cancer, every time the moon is in Capricorn, and you will begin to see a pattern that emerges from that. And I have noticed, for instance, because I'm a Leo ascendant, that when the moon is in Cancer, which is my 12th house, which is where things are kept restricted, restrained, imprisoned, we can feel quite depressed in that 12th house. 

When the moon's in Cancer, I just want to be a little bit private and introvert. And so it's interesting that one can really get a sense of the way the energies and the moon energy works if you just keep a record of how you feel when the moon's in each of the different signs. So I don't know if you do that already with your group, but it's something you could introduce. 

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. You see, I feel like as humans, we're hard on ourselves, aren't we? So it's like, oh, I don't know why I'm feeling like this. 

I've been right bloody silly this week. I feel right emotional. There's something wrong with me. 

And I feel like sometimes we're quick to find like, well, there must be something wrong when actually it's probably just who you are. It's just because of the way that you are. Yes and no. 

Because I think the most important thing is in life in general is the better you know yourself, the better you're equipped to cope with the highs and lows. Because, you know, especially people who have very damaged upbringings, for instance, because not everybody, well, I would actually go as far as to say that probably nobody has the idealistic happy childhood. It's not really, it's a fantasy.

It's interesting. Somebody says to you, did you have a happy childhood? And you go, oh, yes, oh, yes, yes, it was lovely. But then if you really think about it, you think, oh, well, actually, hmm. 

And, you know, because you'd say, well, why do you suffer from anxiety? Why do you suffer from paranoia, for example? So it's such a broad spectrum of experience that one can encapsulate with understanding psychology and understanding astrology. Does that sort of answer your question? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. So do you, I know you obviously work in astrology, but do you have, like, obviously you believe in universal, so you're obviously in touch with the universe. 

Do you have like a spiritual belief as well? I would say I am deeply spiritual. And I also have a connection with non-physical light beings that I channel. And I have a sort of, you know, chief one who is almost like the spokesperson for what I call the blue light beings. 

And so I have the blue light beings who will often be channeling through me when I'm doing an astrology reading because I'm very much an intuitive astrologer. So sometimes I just look at a chart and I think, well, it's just a jumble of numbers and pictures. And then other times it's like I see this four-dimensional scene. 

I'm just immersed in it. And the blue light beings have been around me for some time, for probably 30-odd years. When I attuned to Reiki, which was about probably 15 years ago, it seemed to trigger an ability to see orbs. 

So I started to see the blue light beings and blue shafts of light and blue orbs. And so that is always my visual sign that they are around, that they are near. And I have, as I say, a sort of spiritual chief who's the spokesperson for the BLBs, as I call them, who's called Bluestone. 

And Bluestone saved me from a very bad car accident 30 years ago. I hear it. Because of that, that shocked me so much because I had been kind of aware of him as a presence.

And I was on a very fast road down in Kent, in Sussex actually. And at the end of this long road, there is a bend to the left, a sharp bend to the left. There was a car in front of me going very slowly, and I had plenty of room to get past her. 

But as I started to rev up to go past her, because I was being impatient, you know what we're like, this voice of Bluestone screamed in my ear, stay exactly where you are, do not move. And I said out loud in the car, oh, oh, all right. Oh, how boring. 

I don't want to stay stuck behind this woman who's going really slowly. And I had this little sort of argument with him. And he said, you'll see, stay exactly where you are. 

Round the bend, we all had to screech to a halt. Two cars had had an accident, and they were both on their roofs. They'd overturned. 

I'd have hit them both. And I actually got out of the car and went and talked to the lady in front of me who I'd been sitting on her tail and apologized. I said, I am so sorry. 

I said, but actually, it would seem you've saved my life. Yeah. He was like, really? Oh, I don't know. 

She didn't know what I was talking about, but I was like, going like this. And so, and then life happens and I kind of drifted away from my connection with Bluestone. But recently I've reconnected and we're getting on just great.

I love that. I love it when they intervene like that because there's no mistake in it. There's no mistake. 

No, no. So do you feel when that our souls would like choose our birth time to make it? I mean, I suppose, I always believed that we would pick what we want to do when we come back. So do you feel like we would pick our own? I suppose we'd have to pick our own signs, wouldn't we? To make sure that what we want to do is aligned. 

Does that make sense? Yes, it does make sense. And the answer is, I don't know. And I'm not sure because I would say, from my experience and reading I've done of life between lives, that soul groups and our soul, the soul part of us that is in that dimension will choose the scenario, the story, the life they wish to be drawn into because of the learning that they wish to experience. 

Now, whether it's as detailed as choosing a birth time, I don't know. Maybe it is. What do you think? Well, I must admit, I feel like it is pre-planned. 

I feel like we would, I do feel like for us to get the best out of what we would want to achieve coming back here, I feel like it's really quite detailed. I feel like we've put a lot of effort into it. And some would say, well, I wouldn't choose this as me, but your human self wouldn't, your soul self would because it's growing, it's evolving constantly.

Yes, I would agree with that totally. Yeah. Yeah. 

So if anybody were looking to get into astrology and thinking, do you know what, I'm really curious about this, I'm really looking to learn, where would you put, do you teach or? I don't do anything formal. I will help people who have, say, beginner's knowledge to get onto the next stage in individual tuition. But there is a really good book, which I didn't write, but I'm going to advertise it anyway, because it was my astrology teacher who has written it.

And it's called The Easy Way to Learn Astrology by Alison Chester Lambert. And it really is a very good, and it's basically, it's the way she taught me. And at the beginning, it's hard work with astrology because you've got to learn a new language. 

You've got to understand the symbols that represent all the planets. You've got to understand what the sign symbols are and what they're, you know, because we have cardinal, mutable, and fixed energy. And we have- Can you just say what they are? So each, so for instance, let's start at the beginning with Aries. 

Aries is a fire sign. It's the first sign of the Zodiac. And it's cardinal, which means it's proactive, because it's the first sign of the Zodiac. 

So it initiates, it begins. Aries on the whole, people born under the sign of Aries are, let's go and do it. Let's go out there now and do it.

Okay. Then you've got Taurus, which is more sensible. So Taurus, the second sign of the Zodiac, is fixed Earth. 

And they're, shan't, won't, do it in my own time, in my own way. They like their luxuries. They like their comfort. 

They, you know, can't say no to a second slice of cake. But Taurus is also about stability, loyalty, and security. So Taurus needs security. 

Gemini, of course, is the first air sign. And it's mutable, which means it's flexible. So you've got the twins aspect of Gemini. 

Well, maybe I'll do, but on the other hand, maybe I'll do that. And Geminis can be overthinkers. They have great ideas, but they're not always very grounded. 

And obviously, all of this depends what else you've got going on in your chart. And Cancer, of course, is ruled by the Moon, because you've also got to know what planets rule each sign. And Cancer is ruled by the Moon, is about home, family, mother, is cardinal, which means it's proactive, but it's a water sign. 

So it's a very empathic and emotional sign, a nurturing. And if you think of the Moon as nurturing a mother, and so on, I can go around the whole signs if you want me to. But I know that, I mean, I've got twin boys that are 17, and they're both Capricorn as well.

And, well, that'd be obvious, wouldn't it? We couldn't have one one on one another, could we? And then my husband is an Aries, bless him. So, but he thought we're all cardinal signs. So you just, the life is quite feisty at home.

Yes, it is, yeah. Yeah. Everyone wants their own way.

Yes, they do. It's fun sometimes. I could imagine it gets a little bit hot. 

And, you know, sort of. Yeah, it does a little bit sometimes. It's like, I just said to my friend, I was telling her, then she says, Oh, I don't envy you, Stace. 

I don't envy you. I'm like, I know. Oh, don't I'm like I am.

Yeah, I love it. I love it. So, so have you actually written a book, though? No, no, I'm going to.

I want to say it's the one in the pipeline, I feel like. There's one in the pipeline. There's one in the pipeline. 

I've had a sort of funny couple of years because I had to have major back surgery a year ago. And so it kind of put me out of action for a while. And even though I thought I could write while I was recovering, I didn't realise how eight and a half hour surgery on your back knocks you out. 

And so all I wanted to do was sleep for about six. Yeah, yeah. Are you OK now, though? Oh, I'm brilliant, but I'm going to have more surgery. 

I've got to have my rotator cuff on my shoulder anchored because I've got a shoulder injury. So that in a couple of weeks time. But it's not going to affect me like the back because it's a surgery.

And I was saying, our surgery is a long, long thing, isn't it? Yeah, I'll just I'll still do all my videos, but I won't see clients for two or three weeks, you know, just take a little bit of time off. So if somebody wanted to have their chart done, where would they find you? OK, they would need to go to my website, which is pennydicks.com. And if they want to have a look at my web, my oh God, my YouTube channel, it's called Astrology by Penny Dicks, D-I-X. And as I say, it's got thirty three thousand subscribers.

I do the new moon, the full moon. I do a lot of lives. I do a live week ahead.

I do a live month ahead. I do. Oh, what else do I do? A lot. 

Oh, that's right. I have a series that I do called Astrobites. So when we come up to a significant transit, like we're just coming out of a very significant transit, which was the Mars in Leo opposite Pluto in Capri, sorry, in Aquarius. 

And that has is is a very tough. Opposition, and probably that's why we saw that awful tragedy in Vancouver, where somebody drove into a crowd of people and killed 11 people. These are the kind of events that can get acted out. 

But the new moon yesterday is really good. And it's it's it's a powerful new moon. And I think it's going to it's going to bring some change. 

That new moon in Taurus is going to bring some positive change and a little bit more security. So but not yet. It's about timing.

And this is one of the things that I feel people get frustrated with in their own lives and sometimes with astrology, because it's so much about timing. You see, if I look at your transits, just briefly looking at the ascendant we've given you, it puts Pluto in Aquarius in your 12th house. Now this sees you going through the next, what I would say, 15 years of enormous inner transformation, enormous inner transformation.

And I would say because Uranus is going into your third house of communication, you're going to be doing much more of what you're doing now, much more probably teaching. And I would have said that the potential for you writing a book is huge, is massive. So, you know, this is good. 

I was dreading it then. I thought, oh, what's she going to say? What's she going to say coming forward? But you need to slow down at the moment with your energy and your your work and your health, because Mars in the sixth house at the moment is just saying, don't go too fast. You know, watch how you walk. 

Don't trip yourself up. Okay. That is a reoccurring theme for me all the time.

Right. Right. So I think I need to listen.

So, yeah. And also let me tell you about the other channel I have, because I've also got another channel on YouTube, which is a growing channel. It's 2.4K subscribers. 

It's called Channeling and Stranger Things. And I run it with a colleague called Sarah Sands Smith. She's a hypnotherapist. 

She does a lot of past life regression. And we've already we've videoed two past life regressions with her taking me into a past life and the most recent we uploaded yesterday. And we just look at strange things and explore unusual events and esoteric things. 

And she channels, I channel. So we have our monthly predictions of blue stone and blue mans because her guide is called Blue Man. And he's been with her since she was five. 

Oh, interesting. And she physically sees him. I don't see him up here, but she physically sees him, which is just, I find like, wow, I wish I was blue stone, but maybe I will one day. 

And so that's an interesting channel. I think your viewers, listeners might love that. Absolutely. 

Yeah. That sounds really interesting. Yes. 

Yeah. So, yeah. What else can I tell you? I do a lot of joint collaborations with other astrologers, lives and things like that, which are fun. 

I look at a lot of politics as well because astrology can be very accurate about predicting how things are going to unfold politically. So. Can I just ask you a question? You mentioned it earlier on. 

I'll figure out. Where's Gozo? Oh, okay. So I live on the island of Gozo, which is the small sister island off the island of Malta in the Mediterranean. 

So we're 60 miles south of Sicily. And so for instance, okay, that's north, that's south. So Tunisia is that way. 

Okay. And that way would be Turkey and Greece and all of that. And I've been here for 29 years, but I'm coming back to the UK for good.

Are you coming for good? Do you have family here? I've only, I've got cousins, but I, it's time. You know, when you know it's time, it's time. So I've got my apartment on the market. 

So if anyone's watching, they want a nice apartment in Gozo to help get home. We did a ritual on our channel yesterday, Channeling and Stranger Things, where we buried a little statue of Saint Joseph upside down, outside on my balcony, facing the house. Because apparently if you make a, say a prayer to Saint Joseph and he will ask him for an intercession to bring the buyer to your house. 

Oh, interesting. We videoed it. So that's it. 

Yeah. See how that turns out. Yeah. 

Yeah. So I'd love to subscribe now and go have a look. Yeah. 

I plan to come home and I want to go to East Sussex. That's my plan. Yeah. 

Oh, it's been amazing speaking with you today, Penny. Thank you so much for being with me today. And I know nothing about you. 

You know a little bit about me. Read my chart, it's all in there. Oh, goodness me.

Oh, oh, thank you so much, Penny. And listen, I'll send you a copy of your chart so you know what it looks like. Oh, thank you. 

That'd be amazing. My pleasure. My pleasure. 

Thank you. Speak to you again. All right. 

Bye for now. Thanks. Bye.