09 - My Story

In today’s special episode, I switch seats and become the guest! I’m interviewed by the lovely Jodie, who asks me all about my personal journey with spirit and how it all began.

We talk about my very first encounter - a man walking through my window to speak with me - and how that moment sparked something that would change my life forever.

I open up about what it truly feels like when spirit connects, how spirit work has become part of who I am, and how incredibly honoured I feel to bring healing to people - especially those who have lost children or loved ones to suicide. Spirit has a way of guiding those people to me, and I see it as a sacred part of my purpose.

We also touch on the pride I have in being a medium. I don’t hide this part of myself - it’s a gift I embrace fully, and I’ll talk about it with anyone, anytime.

This episode is a heartfelt chat about what it really means to work with spirit, hold space for healing, and live in alignment with your calling.

Edited and produced by Mike at Making Digital Real

Transcript

Just walking down Main Street where I live, just walking down and this almost wave of feathers came from behind me and gushed in front of me. Now when I say a wave of feathers, I had to look around because I thought there's a bird obviously died just above my head and all it's been it's been attacked or something. It was the strangest thing you've ever seen in your life.

Welcome to Guide to Spirituality's podcast with me Stacey Bower. It's a down-to-earth space where we talk all things spiritual. Each episode I'm joined by guests from all walks of life to share real experiences, practical tools and honest conversations about healing, growth and the unseen spiritual world. 

Whether you're just starting out or you're deep on your journey, this podcast is here to support your path with insight, connection and that little bit of magic. Hiya Geordie, thank you very much for doing this for me today. I'm not nervous but I'm a little bit like I feel like you're going to be a little bit mischievous with this so we'll have to see where we go later, yeah? Well as we said we're trying not to make a 12-part episode of Stacey so I've got a few good questions that I think everyone will enjoy hearing your answers to but nothing too mischievous as you say. 

I don't believe you. Okay let's go, I'm ready when you are. Okay so the first question we've got is right at the start of your journey what age did you realise that you had a spiritual connection? So I was, do you know I always remember being very young and wondering like when would I grow, when would I be big enough to, I want to say move on, it will move out of home is what it was but I remember having cabin beds as a young girl and I shared a bedroom with my sister and we had these white melamine cabin beds where underneath there were a desk and there was some, a wardrobe and I remember one night being told I'd had a nightmare but a man was trying to come through my window, he was, he came through my window, he walked through my window and pointed at me and I obviously screamed. 

Now I must have been about six or seven then and my mum come running in and said I'd had a nightmare, it was just my mind, it was all that sort of thing and that you know the mind were a very, very powerful thing and that's where it was but now I know that actually I think spirit would try to connect with me so I must have been about six, seven. Right, so very early on. Very early on. 

That would have petrified me. Well it did me, it did me Jodie, there were a man walking through my window. People don't walk through your bedroom windows do they? No. 

No. Obviously the Stacey Bower that you are today, did her journey start when you were six or when did your spiritual journey begin? So my actual spiritual journey began about five years ago I think it is now. What the spiritual journey that I would say brought me here started about five years ago when actually I'd lost both parents, well I'd lost my mum and then my dad died three years later and it was during lockdown where I think that quite a lot of people awakened during lockdown. 

It was like the time to level up, we needed a lot of people working for spirit and working to raise the energy and that's where my like reawakening if you like came. I remember going out with dog one day and just walking down, down main street where I live, just walking down and this almost wave of feathers came from behind me and gushed in front of me. Now when I say a wave of feathers I had to look round because I thought there's a bird obviously died just above my head and all it's being, it's being attacked or something. 

It was the strangest thing you've ever seen in your life but it like, have you watched Spiderwick Chronicles where she comes on me, there's fairies and they were like that, it was the strangest thing and I was like, I looked around because I was like this, this, what's going on, it was the craziest thing. I looked up, I'm looking around, I thought there's gonna be a dead bird at the back of me, nothing and then as soon as I turned back it had gone. Oh what, what is happening? I thought, I thought we were mental but I was dreaming, there were all sorts of things happening so that's how it came around again about five years ago.

Right okay, so that's obviously very interesting. What would your advice be to anyone who is sort of experiencing this right now? Well if you look above you and there's not a dead bird and your past covered with feathers, you're probably having a bit of a spiritual awakening. On it, the things that happen to me and I'm like, doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense and it's all spirits so things like vivid dreaming, synchronicities, things you cannot, things that are happening to you and you're like, well I feel like I'm going mad. 

Chances are you're not going mad, spirit's just trying to connect with you, that's all and I say that's all, it's a, it's, I feel like it's a right crazy time but brilliant all in one. So if you're doing anything like that, just know that you're perhaps not stuck here somewhere, yeah, perhaps you're not going to sit rocking somewhere in a chair, perhaps it's actually that, you know, you might be, you might be having a spiritual awakening. So I would look for groups, that sort of thing, like-minded people where you can find, like-minded people where you are free to speak and free to say, this happened to me, what do you think, without fear of feeling silly, feeling odd, you're the odd one out, that sort of thing. 

Perfect, okay, that sounds good. Obviously you are an out-and-out full medium, you're not afraid to show it, which obviously is quite difficult for some people who are starting out on their journey because of the way people view mediumship and that we are crazy and that we're seeing things and we're making things up. How did your friends and family react when you shared your gift? Well, because a lot of my close friends, and I don't have a massive amount of family to be honest, so a lot of my close friends, I've been giving them like, not readings by any means, but saying things are like, oh well, it's like one of my friends, a husband having an affair, and I said well, you know, to me it were blatant, but to everybody else it wasn't, and obviously that was spirit showing me that that's what were happening. 

So then when things come out, people, well how did you know? I'm like, well how did everybody not know? It was all like that to me, so I don't think anybody took it like, oh my god, what's happened to you all of a sudden, because I feel like it were gradual. It's like my sister, I mean I'd been told by mediums for years, there was one lady one day and she come to me, we were upstairs in a pub and she come to me and she said, when are you going to start realising that you're not going to leash the devil if you start working with spirit? And I'm like, I don't know what you mean, frightened myself to death, I'm like, oh my, what do you mean? She went, nothing bad's going to happen, she says you could write a book on the things that have happened to you already. And my sister went, you've always been doing this, you've always know this, she always knows other. 

Yeah I did, I just knew stuff, I just knew. So I don't think it were a massive shock to anybody, but some people now that are really close friends that I haven't seen for a while might go, oh how have you got into that and be interested? But I didn't have any worry or fear of saying, well actually, this is where, this is the path I've taken. So I think, I've never had any of that worry, never, never. 

That's, that's obviously like different for a lot of people. Yes, they're massively different. When you're like say out socialising or meeting new people, do you find it sometimes difficult to say, you know, I am a medium as a job? Or you know, when you meet people and they say, what do you do for work? And you just come out and say a medium, how do they react? And I think that's important for new people because that is the hardest part, is coming out essentially as a medium. 

It is, it is. But to be honest, because I have this attitude where it is what it is for me, I don't worry about what people think. In fact, I quite like, I remember, well, I quite like the shock value on people's face.

I quite enjoy that, to be honest. I quite enjoy, not making people feel uncomfortable, but like putting it on people's toes sometimes. And some people will go, all right, what's that? They don't know what it is. 

Right. So when you say, oh, you know, I speak to spirit and they'll say, what's up? What do you mean spirit? And I said, dead people, people that have died. They go, oh dear. 

All right. Oh, right. And it's more like intrigue, I think, for people. 

So I understand with people, some people are brought, we were brought up in a Catholic school. We were never religious, but we were brought up in a Catholic school, primary and secondary, because apparently that was the best school in the area. But some people went to that church because they believed in God as a person, the disciples and all that. 

It was their religion, I get that. So for some people, they've been brought up with heavy religion. So this is seen as like devil's work or it's bad or something like that. 

I understand there's a lot of people that wouldn't want to discuss with friends or family. But to me, when I'm out and about and people say to me, what do you do for work? I say, I'm a medium. They'll go, oh, they're in a box for that. 

What else would you call yourself? Do you like, can you try to do it? They didn't like medium there, is there? It's all like holistic therapist, it's this, it's that and the other. So I just say, oh, it's more like, you know, like spiritual coaching or something like that. I sell crystals, they all go, oh, I'll put that down, that's fine. 

Sells the crystals, that's more normal, that's fine. Sales manager. It is bad though, that isn't a job option because obviously you are using it as a job.

That is what the job is. Yeah. I'm a spiritual medium, if you please.

Oh, there we go. HMRC. So the next question, what has been the most rewarding moment for you being a medium healer? So most rewarding, well, some people would, some people will measure success on what they get or what they see as growth. 

So my, I know some people feel like if they're like Facebook page or their following is at a certain amount, they're succeeding. I, my personal measure of success is when somebody comes back to me and says, hey, you were right about that. You got so-and-so through, you got my son through, you got my husband through, you got my mum through, you got this through. 

And do you know what, what you said came to fruition. It was, it was correct. Or when people said to me, do you know, I've come away from that healing and I feel so much more settled within myself. 

That's what does it for me. That's what, there were one, there were one, one person that sticks out to me massively. I won't mention a name or anything like that. 

And her partner had taken his own life and she, I met her on a Zoom call and she, the guilt she felt for her partner passing was absolutely so big she could not cope with day-to-day life. And there were a point where actually she was talking about taking her own life. Now, because I'm quite outspoken and because I say it quite, don't get me wrong, I'm always very tasteful. 

I will always be, you know, I will always be nice to people. I would never be nasty with people, but I do speak quite straight. And when I put on her toes, what she'd been thinking and what she'd discussed with people and the things that had happened between her and a partner, she would absolutely like, I can't believe the things you've told me. 

And that settled her. So she didn't want to take her own life. Well, to me, that's the biggest reward you can ever have. 

That would, that is, that is one of the things where when I look back, I think, you know what, if I achieve nothing else, or if my career doesn't go any further upwards, I've, I say I, I've been the speaker for spirit to help that young lady. And that's perfect for me. Yeah. 

As a medium, you do see like a lot of people, obviously, that look for guidance and look for help. And that is, it's huge, isn't it? What you can give people. And like you say, that's got to be a moment where you think I've really helped that person and they're choosing to stay now. 

That's it. That's the thing. That is the thing. 

It's bigger than any money or anything. Or any like thousand followers on Facebook or what have you. It's not about the amount of, it's about somebody came to me with a need and I managed to speak to her partner and give her what she needed. 

And to me, that's all we'd ever need. That's perfect for me. Definitely. 

That, that is somewhere else, isn't it? On the back of that, obviously, that's quite a heavy message to receive and to give to somebody. How do you handle the emotional weight of the work? I know you are like quite light. And like you say, you do talk straight, but you never give it in a bad way. 

How do you go away from these messages that save someone's life, for example, and go back to Stacey Bower? So Stacey Bower in herself is quite, well, you know her very well, Jorda. She's quite, she's, she's, how would I describe me? I would describe me in a way that's like, I'm quite sensitive in a way, actually. I am quite sensitive in a way, but I'm also very much like, I will say how it is, but I don't take anything lightly either.

So when I get a message like that, I will always go back and thank spirit. And I always ask, why would you bring that to me? Why would I give that message? You know, because at the end of the day, it's not actually me. I haven't found the message spirit brought to me so I can give it over.

So why would you allow me to be that person? Because also a lot of gratitude then, because I feel then that I feel quite special that they've given it to me because they know how I will pass it over. Does that make sense? Yeah. So what I do then is, then I go, and do you know what I normally do? It spurs me on to work. 

And it's the strangest thing. It spurs me on to bring like new ideas. So that message was so powerful for that woman. 

How can we improve that? What can we do to make that different? How can we get that message to other people that need it? What can I do then to put the word out further? And that's then when you get 48,000 voicemail notes going, Jorrit, Jorrit, why don't we just, Jorrit, what about this? What do you think about that? Jorrit, Jorrit, let's do this one. Jorrit, let me just tell you this. How do you think I'd do this? And you'll go, right, let's just take a breath now. 

And I think sometimes it's the, I don't do the coming down grounding that I should do perhaps. And that's when a lot of the time I'm very, very ungrounded. And my head's up here all the time thinking about 48 different things. 

And that sometimes then when I go to the on and I say right the on, my earth's, my earth's star chakra is like needing some grounding. Can you put me right back down? Can you rein me in? Because you're doing Jodie's headed. Can you bring me back to somewhere where I'm a bit like, I know I sound like I'm normal. 

Yeah, so I think a lot of it is like, I need a massive amount of grounding. But do you know what, like laughing, that sort of thing brings me back down. The, this is going to sound a bit odd, but I'm going to say it anyway. 

Do you know when I've had like a really good reading or a really good message or a really good meditation session, I get loud. Now that might be a shock to somebody that I'm ever not loud, but sometimes I'm not loud, but I get right loud where I feel like I need to shout, but not in a nasty way, but more of a like top of my voice, you know what I mean? A bit like that. So if ever you see me and I'm properly loud, I've probably just had a right good connection with spirit.

I stop blaming them. You're excited about what you do. That's it. 

I love it. I absolutely love it. I just feel like I need to make some notes from this session, like source of my problems, Stacey giving readings. 

Look at your calendar and see when you have readings so that I just turn my phone off after that. Yeah. Jodie's unavailable again. 

I don't know what's happening. No, I enjoy listening to the madness that you bring. They said that we should put it all together one day and let people listen to it. 

I think it'd be that. Oh my God. If we took our voice notes, one minute we're here, next minute we're here, and then I'm like, well, we'll wait. 

Stacey, hold on. And then I'm like, will you ask spirit? Can you ask? Yeah. We were all over the shop. 

It would be a funny podcast maybe. Maybe just sitting like that on listening. That's 12 o'clock. 

This is what we were like. And we were on the other side. No, I think obviously it is important to have, after giving a message so big, you need to have fun. 

You need to laugh. And obviously having readings with you myself, sometimes they are heavy and then you sit after and have a cup of tea and have a bit of a laugh and you've taken what you needed from that session and you have to move on and take what you've given. But do you find that you have a common theme within your messages? Like you get certain people with the same situations going on in their life all the time or what do you find? So if I look back now, I find that people that need a direct message come to me. 

People that have lost children seem to come my way. And people that have had somebody pass from suicide seem to come to me. Not all the time, but I do get, they seem to be the three themes that, and it's interesting when I look back, it's people that have lost sons, right? Not always, but the majority is people that have lost sons that come to me. 

And I don't feel like, I think spirit bring them to me because I know I have sons and I have such a connection with my boys that I feel that it has a place within me where, you know, I can understand what it's like to love a child so fearlessly. Yeah, that's it. So they're the three themes I seem to get. 

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Every little bit helps me keep creating, sharing and growing this space and I'm truly grateful. Right, okay. Do you think that is something that you asked for in a prior life or where we are before we come here? Do you think that's something that you're able to teach because of the way you are or something that was on your path? So I would say normally, I don't know, but actually coming to understand myself more now over the last couple of years, I think I would have picked that because I challenge myself so very much all the time and I think that I would have picked something that's very, very raw to make sure that I got it 100% correct because I'm very, very harsh with my readings with myself. 

Sometimes Mickle said to me, how did that reading go? And sometimes I go, oh it was absolutely brilliant that she got everything she needed or he got everything he needed. I did one for a lady the other day and she were happy with the reading. There was nothing wrong. 

She didn't give me any sign that she wasn't happy. She said it, we're all fine. I've got loads of evidence for her. 

And Mickle said to me, how did it go? And I went, I don't feel like that was my best at all. And he said, well, it sounded very well. You were telling her this. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But to me, I were very critical of my own reading because I wanted her to have that massive, wow. And I think that's my ego side, but that's the part of me that's like, she took everything she needed from that reading.

I asked for it after they were like, she got everything she needed. She told me she had, but I feel like my ego side went, well, you're waiting for that big wow again. And there were no need for it really at all. 

So going back to the question, yes, I feel like my soul self would have said, right, really challenge yourself this time and let's have people that are, you know, from the worst situations, you can give them that bit of guidance. Yeah. I thought you would, the way you are with your personality.

Go big or go home. And that is... Go big or go home, Jodie. Love it.

Can you offer us any insight into what connecting with spirit feels like for you? Feels like, so physically or like, so... Anything you want to tell us. When I connect with spirit, I get this overwhelming sensation of that's just exactly where we should be. So inside me goes like, and then I get, I always get this like little palpitation where that little, you know, you're a kid and you're in trouble and you're getting that little turn in your tummy, like, oh, when I get in, my mum's going to come out, it's like that.

I get that feeling. And it took me ages to figure out that that were actually spirit connection. So physically, I do get that. 

I get a lot of clear sentience though. They make me feel a lot of emotion. They make me feel a lot of like physical, like aches or shortness of breath or that sort of But feeling, I can't give you the feeling there's any better than the most settled, peaceful feeling you could ever imagine that you just know you're in the right place at the right time. 

And you're going to pass that spirit message on to somebody else. Interesting. Obviously I come to development class, so I know that it's different for everyone else, but I don't think I've actually ever heard you say how it feels for you when you connect. 

I've heard you say about like the feeling, but not like the peaceful moments. That's quite It's like, it's almost like, I can't, I don't have to explain that. It's almost like, it's like when I know I've got like, let's say your grandad or somebody's son or something like that. 

It's like a, ah, now here we go. Thank him. And it's just a real like, oh, there we go.

He said, it all just feels just right. It's just normal. It's just exactly how it should be.

But sometimes it gets me quite like giddy. So it makes me laugh a little bit. And yeah, that's obviously a spirit connection as well as when you vibration raised and they don't have to come down so far because you're going up. 

So we've met in the middle, but I get like, I go, and I do this, I call my son doing it and I go, it's like, that is like a right high pitch giggle. And I'm like, what are you doing? But it's, it's almost like a giddiness, like, oh, we're having another conversation. It's like that a bit childish and I can't help it.

And I feel like sometimes it depends on what's, what type of spirit you get. So if we had a male that were quite, uh, didn't really communicate well or, um, were a bit like a traditional, that sort of thing. I almost like breaking the ice because it's like some people say, oh, my dad would have liked painting for me. 

You know, he didn't, he didn't really talk like this. They won't talk about that. Yeah. 

But he's just told me. So it's almost like a thing for me as well. A bit more of a, not a competition by any means, but a bit of a challenge. 

Yeah. Yes. Like it. 

Great. Have you on the back of that then, have you ever had, um, someone where you've just not being able to get them a message like spirit have just point blankly refused or they aren't open to actually having a message, even though they're there. I once had a lady sat in front of me and she sat with legs out in front of her. 

So she leaned back in chair, legs out in front of her. She crossed her hands like this. And she's like, and she's almost tapping her feet. 

Like she was bored of me before I even spoke. I was like, you know, you, you've come to me, you've paid me money to come here and you look like you want to have a fight with me or something. You're not, I mean, it was a bit like that. 

I know. I like everything. All right. 

And she's like, yeah, she said, I just don't know what you're going to tell me. She says, cause you know, there's not really going on in my life. And then I reeled all this stuff off.

She were like, no, no, no. And it were all a bit like that. And it ended up, I said, look, as if this isn't working, it's absolutely fine. 

Let's just take your money back and you get your off home and, you know, have a cup of tea and what have you. And she were like, no, no, it's just that, you know, there isn't really a lot going on in my life. And then proceeded to reel off everything I've told her and tell me all right about everything that I've told her. 

And I were like, well, all right. I thought we're going to end up in some sort of argument here because he seemed awkward as heck. And then we're like, no, and then, and then we're like, well, yeah, I could take that when it had all finished. 

And I'm like, I don't, I don't really understand, but that's the only one that really sticks out to me. There was another lady who, and I could tell she was getting annoyed with me, but there was another lady who we connected for a read. Now, readings are normally about 45 minutes. 

We've got 30 minutes in, I've got her mum, her dad's food, disgust, all sorts of stuff going on in her life. She were like, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

I said, I'm sorry. I said, I feel like you feel right impatient with me. I said, is there something wrong? And all of a sudden I've got this bloke that went, you're not giving her who she wants. 

I said, is there somebody else she'd like to speak to? She went, yes, there is. And you're not, you're not telling me who it is. Right. 

Well, I says, look, but I could tell she was so frustrated and I were getting a bit like, well, I wanted this person so much. And it were all getting a bit awkward. There were 15 minutes left at reading. 

I said, I'm going to do. So when I end this call now, I said, then tomorrow we'll reconvene. I'll go away, try and figure out what you're trying to get. 

I said, and then you couldn't obviously try to get her to calm down a little bit because she was getting so worked up. Anyway, as it happened, there was a, uh, I can't really say, but there was something that happened in between where that made it. So somebody told me who she wanted through. 

And then I had to tell them when I said, look, I'm really sorry. I already knew you want, and it's not come from spirits come from another person. I don't feel comfortable reading for you now, because I know that who you're looking for and exactly what's happened to this person. 

And I feel like I'd be lying to you because I pre know the information. And she went, I totally understand that Matt passed on, another medium's information to her so that she could, um, so that she could have another reading, but that I really felt uncomfortable with that one. But other than that, I don't think that's ever stopped me reading for somebody or I've refused when I'm there. 

Now, I suppose that's because people are coming to you because they need it rather than it just being a passive passerby who's just interested. I see. It's not like a fashion accessory. 

It's not like we're coming to have my eyelashes done because I want them to look nice. It's because people are in need of like healing or some confirmation or some guidance or that sort of thing. Do you think that people's attitude towards you is because they're sceptical or do you think it's because they don't want to give anything away to you? Um, you know, if you're given a reading and people you're like, oh my gosh, yes. 

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 

And that's given to you that you're right. And that you're along the right lines. Do you think people hold themselves back because they don't, they don't want to give you that energy because they want to see what else you've got to say? Yeah, I think some of it is. 

I think some of it is a little bit of scepticism. I had a lady a little while ago and she came to me and her friend was sat across and she said, I said, she's all, I'm going to have a reading, but then my friend might want a reading. So you were sceptic. 

She went, well, I said, that's fine. I said, I'll have your ear next. Anyway, she came over next. 

Well, to say she wasn't a sceptic when she left you all day, I was like, yeah, we've got to, do you know what I mean? But yes, I do think it's like some people are like, I'll wait to see what you've got to say. And let's be honest, there's a lot of people out there that do this, that give mediums, spirit workers, healers, a really bad name. You know, you only have to look on telly, and you get the same mundane stuff like, well, I feel like it's a male figure. 

Well, who is it? Is it your dad? Is it your granddad? Is it my uncle Tom? Who is it? I feel like once you start to be a bit specific and you can give evidence, people warm to you very quickly. It's when there's, it's so open that people can't, you know, it's like, well, that could be for anybody. It's like saying, oh, you know, they're giving me the color blue. 

Well, that's great. What does it mean? You know, is it my favorite color? Is it a color of a, you know, my car? What is the color blue? Is it my throat? Tell me what it's about. And it's all right, just throwing random words out there. 

People need to know what it is you're talking about. So yes, I do think some of it's scepticism and some of it is, you know, people process. I remember reading for a woman and she never moved her face all the way through. 

And I'm thinking, is she enjoying this? Is she not? What's going on? And end up, she went, it were perfect. That she's absolutely bang on. She says, I can't tell you anything. 

She says, I'm just processing what you say. She said, I'll speak to you afterwards. I said, that's absolutely fine. 

But at one point I thought she's going to say, this is absolute rubbish. You know what I mean? But it's the processing as well. So there is an air of scepticism. 

Absolutely. Some people are like, well, what can you tell me? I don't already know. What can you guide me with? Some people know their answers and they just need a confirmation.

Yeah. Had a few of those myself. No, I think, yeah. 

For me, I get quite emotional in readings. So I sit there and I probably look I'm pulling funny faces because I'm trying to hold tears in or trying not to give anything away. Say one word, I'm about to burst.

But obviously that is a side of mediumship that is bound to come through when you're connecting to the other side. Yeah, absolutely. Do you always carry a box of tissues? So there's not. 

Well, if you come to me reading, it's more kitchen roll. We've got a market here. It's the three ply kitchen roll. 

It's the good stuff we have here. It's the crochet. But yeah, I must admit, and again, ego thing, I do like a crier. 

You know what I like though? I like it when people feel so safe within the space, the sacred space we've created, with spirit, that they can be, they can release totally. So some people come where they've been holding it together, holding it up for everybody else. They've been holding it up for family. 

They've been holding it up for kids. They've been doing this. And they come and they go and they set off and they go, I'm so sorry, I don't know why I'm crying. 

It doesn't matter why you're crying, does it? You need a release. So I'll pass you a piece of crochet. You only get one because it's expensive. 

But I'm joking. If you need two, you snap. I'll pass you a piece of kitchen roll and you can release as much as you want. 

Sat with me in sacred space while we talk about what it is you need to talk about. So, yes. No, I've had quite a few pieces of that kitchen roll.

It's good stuff, Jorda. Good stuff, isn't it? Yeah, one. Does it feel like a huge responsibility to you when you're delivering these messages? Obviously, some of these messages you're giving are, or advice that you're getting from spirit, is potentially life changing for someone.

Does it feel like a huge responsibility to you? It does. But do you know what? It does. Afterwards, sometimes I think, oh gosh, I hope that works out right for her. 

Or I know it will because spirit have given it to me. I haven't made it up myself yet. But when I'm saying things sometimes, because I know it comes from spirit, it's like just spoken out. 

So half the time I've said it before, I know what I've said. So it can only be from spirit. So it can only be guidance from their spirit family or the friends or what have you. 

So like I said, if I've said, I mean, I would never tell anybody to do anything with the finances. I would never tell anybody to do anything that would be like, you know, leaving a partner or anything like that. I would never, even if spirit gave it me, I would never say it like that. 

I would never say, oh, well, you know, your mum's saying, you know, you and your husband are working out, leaving. I would never say anything like that. What I would say is though, like, you know, mum's giving me that perhaps there's been a rough patch between you and your husband or you and your wife or what have you.

And perhaps that's an area of your life you need to look at and plan whether it's working out. But I would never, you know, telling it to leave somebody. So really big things like that.

I wouldn't put, I wouldn't put it across that it were needed to be done now. Does that make sense? So I would always give people what spirit are giving me, but I would word it in such a way that, you know, didn't make them go, oh, well, I'm going home now to leave my husband because my mum's just said, but if wouldn't do it like that. Does that make sense? Yeah.

It is a big responsibility. And the thing is, is that, you know, we're talking to people that have passed. We're talking to people that are grieving. 

We're talking to people that have, you know, had a big, big traumas in their life. And that, that is a big responsibility. Yes.

Yeah. I just want, I wanted to know your view on that one. Yes.

So do you feel that your life would have been, how do I word this? As fulfilled as it is now, had you not taken on spirituality? No, I think I would always be looking for something. Always. I remember always feeling like, feeling like there was a void. 

There was a need for something. There was something more coming. I needed to, I always felt like there was a, there were, there were definitely something missing.

There were definitely something that I was supposed to do that I wasn't doing. And I remember when I was little saying to somebody, well, I'll talk to people when they've died. I'll talk to people that have died. 

You know what I mean? You don't say stuff like that. I remember it all being falling. I'm like, their fears going. 

All right. Yep. Yep. 

Anyway, what I'm for you to, you know, that sort of thing. But, but if I genuinely believe that if I hadn't have done this, then I would still be looking to fulfill something that I didn't know what it was. Right. 

Okay. I think that's, I think that answered definitely the question anyway. Yes.

Right. To not make, to make sure that we aren't here for 12 episodes, light anyway. I know there's definitely more episodes to come and there is definitely way more to come from Guide to Spirituality. 

Yes. From what I've heard in my voice notes just today. Um, I know you're going to ask this to lots of your other guests that you've got coming.

What do you think your guardian angel is most tired of seeing you do? I don't know. So probably voice note you every, every five minutes, probably that loud. Honestly, I think my biggest, my guardian angel, my spirit guide, what have you. 

I think the one thing that they are, uh, that they would be sick of me doing is, uh, either doubting myself or being impatient. Yes. It's the impatience that has always been my biggest downfall and is still to this day, I'm better at it than what I was. 

But to this day, I still feel like everything that I'm achieving within my lifetime, and I'm going to live in well into my eighties because I won't see great grandchildren. Everything that I'm going to achieve well into, you know, in the whole of my life, I feel like I need it by about next Tuesday. Yes. 

Yeah. And that is the biggest thing that I have to work on. And that's going to be one of my big life lessons.

Yeah. That is a probably sit there going like this, going, oh, is she voice noting her again? Will she knock it off? She's already discussed this this week and she can't do it in a day. Rome wasn't built in a day, Stacey Bella. 

Yeah, but it was built fairly quick for it, for, for Rome, wasn't it? Do you know what I mean? Because it just gets the more guides on and we could just, you know, we could just do it all together right quick. Saying that, we're all done quick. I'd be like, what's next? What's next? Yeah. 

It wouldn't ever stop because you do complete things and you get things done. And then there's something else. I'm like, where is that come from? Who is giving her these ideas? I'm going back to spirit. 

Like, excuse me, I lost five minutes. Can I speak to human resources, please? Because this is not going to keep working like this. Is there anything you want to mention for what's to come for guide to spirituality before we finish? So, there are, as you know, Jodie, a lot of, I've actually got up in, I can't see it, but on my wall here, there is my yearly planner. 

I've taken over a whole wall in my house. There's a yearly planner that is full and what I'm doing is dedicating each month to something that I want to achieve. Yeah. 

How next month looks absolutely crackers. July doesn't look much different either, but there are a lot of things that will be coming that have been in the making for a long time. So, a lot of new products coming.

There are a lot of, there's the retreats next year. There's the two retreats next year. Yeah. 

There might be one at the end of this year, I'm not so sure. You've not mentioned that previously, Stacey. Just so you know, just to let you know.

Is it my voice note of the evening? It is your voice note, don't it? So, there's also some more training to do. I think the transmedianship will very much be coming round this year. I've had quite a few sessions of readings and healings where my voice has changed through the readings. 

Yeah. So, I was talking to Aniconboy a couple of days ago and I feel like there's definitely some more training to do there. There's some other training to do in June and that's going to be a little bit of a secret just for now until we can get that sorted. 

And then, who knows, Joda? Who knows? I'm open to alt. You are. I'm open to alt. 

Well, it sounds like an exciting couple of months to come anyway. Yes. And I will be ready on hand.

Be ready, Joda. Get your pens and your papers and your dibbers and your dabbers ready because here we go. Well, as soon as Bert can write, we'll have him making notes. 

I'm on the first time. Come on, Bert. Tell her. 

Just sit down here and write this down. Right. Well, it's been nice to actually hear a bit about you tonight. 

Yes. We chant a lot. There's some things that I don't get to hear all the time when we get caught up in the madness of life. 

Voice notes. Perfect. That's great. 

Thank you very much, Joda. You're an absolute star. Anytime. 

I look forward to the next episode. Yes. Thank you.

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