11 - Munay-Ki Rites - A Spiritual Awakening Journey with Ally Wilkin

In this heartfelt and wisdom-rich episode, Stacey sits down with her mentor and dear friend Ali, who passed on the sacred Munay-Ki rites to her. Together, they explore what the Munay-Ki truly is—from its deep ancestral roots to its powerful role in awakening a new kind of human consciousness.

Ali shares her own journey into earth-based spirituality after decades in mental health, how the rites transformed her life, and what it means to walk the path of the Laika. Expect spiritual insight, honest reflection, and a grounded conversation on becoming one with Source, working with archetypes, and living in harmony with Mother Earth.

Whether you’re curious about the Munay-Ki, already walking the shamanic path, or simply looking for deeper connection in your spiritual life—this episode offers a gentle invitation home to yourself.

Edited and produced by Mike at Making Digital Real

Transcript

Hi Ally, thank you very much for joining me today. Are you well? I am. Hello Stacey.

Hi. So Ally, for those that don't know, you, well are really, my Moon iQIYI mentor. Now, Moon iQIYI, some people will be listening going, what on earth is that? I have never ever heard of it. 

How would you describe the Moon iQIYI to somebody that's never heard about it before? Okay, it is, distilling it down to its simplest form, it's a body of prophecy and a body of processes that have been processes that have been put together in modern times, but held for for millennia by a group of people that traveled over from Indochina, more specifically the Hindus Valley at the base of the Himalayas in northern India, which is now Pakistan. And this body of prophecy talks about a great change coming in the world from around 2012 onwards. And this group of people were kind of guided to guard this prophecy, to share it at a time when necessary, and also they were rewarded for their spirituAllyty and their close relationship, natural relationship with the Earth, with Mother Earth. 

They were rewarded with this body of prophecies, sorry, body of processes that enabled them to become like the new human to come in thousands of years in time. And these processes also aid the human soul, if you will, in living in an avatar to live their life as close to source as possible and with Mother Earth. That's kind of simple.

Yeah, okay. So when I did my training, it obviously takes quite a long time. It takes, you know, you can't do everything together. 

So it does take quite a few months to pass the rites over, doesn't it? Yeah. Originally, the Munaike, it wasn't called the Munaike, this is a modern term. Munai means to love, and ki is kind of means system. 

But originally, these rites were given to these tribespeople. They say, they trace this origin of this narrative back 104,000 years from around 2012. And they, at some point, an individual in the tribe who you could call the shaman, would have received... Sorry, I have my dogs. 

I'm letting themselves out. My husband's going to turn up any moment, but he's just going to quietly come in. Unfortunately, I can't say the same with the dogs. 

So the shaman would have received these rites from source. And this was a all across the ancient shamanic world, from Siberia through to the Americas, and would have started to deliver these rites to the tribe, maybe from an age of around 12 or 13, when they reach a time when they're starting to be seen as adult. And they would have passed those rites over a quite long period of time. 

So there'd be rites of passage, maybe one a year, and maybe a number of particular key times of aging. And this kind of process was held unchanged, as I understand it, for thousands and thousands of years. But in the mid-50s, there was a particular group of people that have kind of been described as the Laika tribe. 

And that means the mountain people. And you already had the jungle tribes and all of their medicine and wisdom, but you had the Laika tribe, and they emerged in the foothills of Machu Picchu sometime in the 1950s. And people recognized them by their dress, and eventually by their language, which was completely unknown to most people because it was the ancient indigenous language before the Spanish came. 

So in most of South America, well, all South America, the indigenous language, the common language is Spanish. In some parts, it's classic Spanish, like in Argentina, very similar to Spain. But in all of the other countries, it's dialects, different forms of Spanish. 

But they had their own language pre-Quechen, which is the indigenous Spanish that emerged. And so they had to work through several translators. There weren't many people who knew this old language. 

And then generally, the modern people in Peru assumed that these tribes people, they knew of them, the people that lived in the high mountains. But they thought they'd all died out with the Spanish conquest because no one has seen them for 500 years, which is in itself quite amazing, isn't it? And they emerged in the foothills, recognized by their clothes and the language. And with some translation, they told their story, which was that the source had guided them that they needed to come out of their hiding places. 

And you can, who I must mention at some point, but I won't digress. He likens this to the Buddhist monks coming out of their high up mountains and priests coming out of their cloisters to share more. So they were invited by source to come out and to share their prophecy of the new human, that there was a great change coming at the same time, humans going to evolve into what's been called this homo luminous, which a human that would be operating at a higher level would have more ability to communicate without words, to be more connected to source and higher vibration.

And that kind of the message they got from source was that they needed to come out the world, he did, he needed to hear their message, because everything had become very dark for the last few thousand years, and to break up that dark energy, and to prepare the way for this new human. And I think when you look at hindsight, they're talking about the same people that we look at in our kind of modern light work community is the rainbow tribe, you know, the indigos, these young people born that seem to have an innate spirituAllyty that doesn't get pulled into the dungeon programming of what I see was more modern religions like Christianity and so on. And yet they're all saying the same thing. 

And yet people come to spirituAllyty in the way that's right for them. But most of our ancient indigenous understandings have been erased in time. And yet these teachings have been guarded for thousands of years in their natural form.

So they came out in the 50s, and they were met by a number of people that and they would speak to anyone who would give them the time. And they would pass the rights to people, partly to share sharing that experience and that energy, but also to make their way in the world to be able to spread the message they couldn't survive their indigenous ways in the mountains, out down in the flat plains. So and now we have the grandchildren and the great grandchildren of those pioneering shaman that came out. 

But back in the 80s, they met a guy called Alberto Valoldo met this group. And he was in South America, his business there was he was a medical anthropologist, and he was studying psychosomatic disease. And he was looking at Amazon plant medicine, and other practices when he came across this tribe and pretty much, pretty much invested then the next 25 years in traveling with them and learning about their experiences. 

And he gathered from them, these, this body of prophecy, this story and the rights themselves. And he also, he didn't really make this clear at the beginning, but he has since but he also garnered a lot of shamanic practices from all across the region of the Andes. So much of the monarchy isn't just from this tribe. 

But he did ensure that he got full permissions to bring this system together. And the problem was that, as I said earlier, because these rights were given over such a long period of time, maybe your whole teenage and early adulthood, you may take 10 years to receive the rights. The message from the Laika when they came out in the 50s was the world doesn't have time to wait. 

There's something needs to be done now. And, and so they were they agreed when they met for older when he talked to and they reAllyzed his ambition to help them to generally to help them to share this process because unlike many Dutch indigenous groups, Westerners coming in and taking a hold of something and especially reinterpreting it for their own and then selling that, you know, to make a living, it would be called misappropriation, cultural misappropriation, and frowned upon. Whereas this group came out basically shouting, please take this out to the West, take out the people of the air. 

That's what they call us the Westerners, with planes and everything. And their mission was to find the most succinct way and the fastest way to get this information out. So it was with their blessing that Valoldo put together the Munaki, which is a series of nine initiations. 

At the same time as he did this, he had a group of highly trained Western people who had trained in the indigenous ways, because first he trained himself in the original ways, the teachings, and he trained a group and he tasked them with helping him to put together the Munaki. And there are some articles about this and I'll give you some links. But there was some resistance because of the idea of supervision that once you share these rights out in a very simple form, in a shortened form, and then there's no follow-up or years and years of shamanic training that this could go badly wrong. 

But more latterly, they have agreed, this group, this early group that trained with him, that actually the Munaki, the essence of these rights is so strong that it survives the reinterpretation if the embodiments remain the same in the teachings, which is my passion really, to keep it true. And so it's really been endorsed by a lot of people sort of fairly high up in the, particularly in the US, in shamanic circles, people like Sandra Ingerman, for example. So now in terms of timing and how long it takes, to get back to your question, you're talking about six months, because first of all, the person needs to find a mentor.

And a bit like in therapy, it's got to be something that's right for you and that you make a connection. The mentor's job is to make sure the person has good intentions. They're not just looking to learn something quickly and go out and sell it like a cash cow that they're going to honor the teachings. 

And they're just one tiny small part of shamanic practice amongst a huge, deep reserve of shamanic teachings that people can access in the right way. So you need to meet people, get set, do the right groundwork, introduce the concepts. And then if people still feel it's right for them, then I call that the introduction. 

And I can do that in a group or individually, but it normally starts with someone making contact or being referred and, hey, can I talk to you about this? And I do most of my pre kind of checks and checking this is okay there. I don't like to advertise a group. People come cold and they make a decision there. 

But sometimes that's how it works when you get a group, say, look, we all want to come. And that's more challenging, but you still have to go through that same process. And then I now do across four ceremonies. 

The foundation is four rites. And then there's the lineage ceremony. And then there's the two final rites, which are linked to the future.

But I now do the foundation in two. You get the same length of time, to be honest, about six months. So four ceremonies. 

And then I usually do a separate training in learning how to give the rites. It's a very practical day. So that's sort of the process.

The content of it all would take a lot longer to explain. Yeah. I mean, when I when I received my rites from you, I remember I came to you from mediumship background. 

So I trained in mediumship. And the next part for me was the Moon Eye Key. Now, when I came and sat with you and you showed us how to do a fire ceremony, an open sacred space, I remember being sat in your house and all of a sudden thinking, I feel so different. 

But I'd actually gone like, you know, when you've had an alcoholic drink and you feel like just your body goes right, relaxing. I sort of felt like I knew exactly where I was and I knew I should be exactly where I was. And everything was just calm. 

It was so like Allygned. It felt so right. And I know that when I said to you at one point, I said, I feel like I've almost been drinking. 

It felt so relaxed. And you said that sacred space. Because we've opened sacred space. 

It's like I have this term now distilled down to basic denominator that I've got from somebody else. That's another story. But it's like you strip everything out, create sacred space, and you get everything down to its base denominator.

And this is very similar to when people create in Wiccan circles and in Druidry, where people would create a circle. But this essentially cuts out all middlemen. So, you're not talking to the goddess of the waterfall, or the tree, the energy of it. 

It's very specifically connecting with source through Mother Earth and through all the elements that exist through Mother Earth. There's five, which is earth, air, fire, water, and spirit, light, if you like. And these are seen in ceremonies, in Druidic ceremonies, which are essentially drawn from older shamanic practice.

The whole idea of drawing a circle and creating a space within which you can work with source. The only difference is in Andean spirituAllyty is earth-based spirituAllyty. So, it's straight to source to make that space and that connection to divine is through the Mother Earth. 

And this is why in the, particularly in Andean shamanism, but you also see it in North American shamanism and elsewhere, there is such an emphasis on gratitude and offerings to Mother Earth to say thank you for all that sustains us, because this is recognition that we are everything of the earth and the stars. And, oh, my hair stands on end. Do you know when you say something and you get your hair stands on end? It's like source doing an underline.

Yeah, it's like a confirmation, isn't it? Yeah. And it does. It kicks everything else out because it just simplifies it all down. 

And you're in this space. I just need to decline my daughter. Hi, my daughter rang me and just threw you out. 

Can you see me now? Oh, right. I have to put my. There you go. 

I'm so sorry, audience. It's fine. No, it's OK.

That was probably so happens all the time. I was on calls and she'll call me or something. Anyway, where were we? Where were we? So, talking about timing, won't we? We're lucky in how long it takes and sacred space, sacred space.

It's first time you did sacred space. Yes. Yes.

Yes. So, so I came to you from, like I said, mediumship background. But when I did my rights, when I received my rights and what have you, I noticed massively that my readings changed, a lot changed and then my heAllyngs changed massively. 

So everything seemed to almost level up. Things were clearer. The connection was clearer. 

The information I was receiving seemed a lot more, a lot more detailed. Do you hear that a lot or? Yeah. Yes. 

I think it's because there's you get you immediately gifted a lot of assistance. Now, it's the same assistance that you access for people to know how to access your guides and it's I get people get upset when I say this because it doesn't it doesn't take away anything from the power of what they're doing. But a lot of the things that people do to access spirituAllyty are tools rather than of the source itself. 

So things like using crystal heAllyng or tarot or divining are tools to access source, but they're tools that you're employing. Whereas when you use earth based spirituAllyty, the tool becomes the earth. And because that's part of you, you integrate. 

And so it doesn't get switched off. So the minute that you kind of access this source based technology is kind of an interesting word, but that makes it like something you kind of you kind of become the earth. You become as one with it because you join these lineages that have done the same and they almost by joining with them, you become everything that they are. 

Best way to explain it is, for example, in the in the rites, the foundation introduced you to a lineage of healers. And these are the first Laika from thousands of years ago, who through that strong spiritual connection to us, so unpolluted with the darkness that we see in the human spirit over the past thousands and thousands of years, they lived, they've been likened as the original Garden of Eden. Some people say they didn't even wear clothes because they didn't even have concern about what other people thought.

They had these five principles, which is non-violence, truth, integrity, moderation and generosity. And all of that is about just being a good person. And because they lived like this, they're rewarded with these processes. 

And they just lived the most beautiful life. They lived a plant-based diet. They thanked the spirit of the plant, anything that sustained them, they were grateful to. 

And this is what enabled them to become as one with all of the world of what Mother Earth is. And so you have this connection and it remains with you 24-7. It's there. 

These lineages you connect to, for example, the lineage of healers, once connected, you need to ask them, you need to acknowledge them. So in your meditation time, or when you do a fire ceremony, or before you go to sleep, you call on them to come and to heal you in your dream time, in your meditation time. And this brings you closer to them, brings that connection closer. 

So eventually, they walk with you. All the time they walk with you and you just know they're there. And then there's some lineages from the past, three groups, Day Keepers, Wisdom Keepers, and Earth Keepers. 

And similarly, they're an ancient lineage that's been brought forward and passed on and connected with. And so we're in that line now. We're part of that lineage.

If you receive the gift of this lineage, and you embody it and make that connection. And to do all this, you have to live by these five principles. As soon as you move away, as soon as you move into violence, or neglected environment, or greed, and all of those, the wall will come up between you and that connection. 

But for people that are drawn to spirituAllyty, generally, that's easy for them. Generally, that's who they are. And then people often feel, that's why often people often feel this is, they feel they've found their home with Moon Eye Key, because it does become a way of life. 

And then it starts to support and raise the energy and everything else that you do. So you find that your, the way in which you use your tools and your access to medianship, and that everything feels clean and easy. And does that make sense? Yes, totally. 

Total sense of that. It did. Like when you said there about, it's like you've come home, it seemed like it was just a natural way for me. 

And when I call the archetypes, and when I work with the archetypes, you know, when I'm opening sacred space, and before readings and heAllyngs and that sort of thing, they actually represent to me in my third eye. So it's almost like a knob that they're there. I know that they're there anyway, but it's like a knob that they're there. 

So I don't know, I just feel like everything seems more connected with them. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. It does.

So how did you get into the Moon Eye Key then? How did that go around for you? Yeah, it's interesting, because I think the way I got in, makes a huge difference to how I've been able to give it the focus that I have. I'm 60 now. So I keep getting messages on my screen. 

I'm 60, just turned 60. And I think the first 40 years of my life, I was on the edge of so many different aspects of spirituAllyty, but I never had the space to get into any of them. I remember as a young girl, age six or seven, being really enchanted with silence. 

And I loved it when the house was empty, and I'd sit down on a piece of paper and just make marks on the paper. And the sound of the pencil used to make me go into a bit of a dream. And I just entered this kind of liminal space that, and I really resented it when I was pulled out of it, like my brother came in or anything like that. 

And then I got into my teens, and I didn't really give spirituAllyty much thought until I read Herman Hesse to Dartha. And that pulled me up to thinking about the whole notion of soul, that I'm a soul. And then I kind of already figured out that my soul and my body were not the same thing. 

I figured that out quite early on without any kind of help. And, you know, and then there's the whole, but the kind of, surrounded in the Western world as we are by Christianity, there was this notion of living a life, you know, as a soul in a body, and that your body goes to the earth, and then you go to heaven or hell, depending how you behave. It never really resonated with me. 

I couldn't connect to that. And then I got in my late teens, at 19, 20, I got into mental health nursing. And I spent 35 years doing that. 

You couldn't get something more on the other side of the coin, psychiatry, and psychiatric medicine to spirituAllyty and shamanic teachings and heAllyngs. And it never, and the only reason that I stayed in psychiatric work, I use that term deliberately, as opposed to mental health, which is not just the province of doctors and nurses and trained professionals, by any means. You do mental health work every day. 

Every time you see a client, you're, you know, so there's a distinction. But it's like, stop it. Psychiatry always made the bells ring. 

It's such a shrill bark. They can hear Pete's car. So psychiatry is very oppressive.

People's rights are taken away. People are intolerant. And they are then from Victorian times removed from society because people don't want to see that, you know, push it away.

And it's not our problem. And people were literally put into asylums because they were a problem. So they got pregnant or something, women especially. 

So that was the evolution of that service. But I came in on the back of a really buoyant time. Same for shamanic work and all the spirituAllyty of the 60s. 

It brought in this whole thing around counselling and therapy and the individual rights and empowering people to grow, you know, and intrapsychically. And it wasn't just about containing the symptoms so they behave themselves out on the streets. And I really bought into that. 

And so I stayed in it, you know, for 35 years, I stayed in it to be a force on the inside, because all good people bail out. But it really took its toll. And if it wasn't for the fact I kept my hand in with this notion that there's something else, which we talked about in mental health, in psychiatric terms, they'd probably section you, you know, if you started talking about it. 

So I had to keep quiet about that in my day-to-day job. But I always maintained a bit of a circle. And I used to say, in my late 30s, when I had a bad day, I'd say, oh, just all I want is a little crystal shop and sell crystals and have a little heAllyng space at the back. 

Because there used to be a little shop called Rainbows in Bishop's Waltham, near where I lived. I used to live near Winchester. And you went in, in front of house was books and crystals, and a lovely lady sat behind the counter there. 

And then there was a door, and the door was removed. So it was an entrance. You were just drawn in. 

There was all sofas around. Sometimes people would be playing an instrument, or there'd be a meditation starting. And so, you know, you'd sort of be assigned saying, come in quietly, but come in. 

And it was just wonderful. You could just sit there, and someone would make you a drink. And generally, people bought something for the shop. 

And that sort of was the quid pro quo, you know, it was free. And I just thought, what a wonderful thing to do. And then I moved up here, I had my kids. 

And it made me kind of step back a bit, because I couldn't go, I didn't want, I couldn't go back down south to the job that I was on maternity leave from. And so I took the nearest job I could get, which is like a ward manager, community manager grade. I hated it. 

You know, I didn't have the support that I'd been used to in previous jobs. And I had an opportunity to get out through a kind of like a resignation scheme. They were over-established with managers. 

And so, and they basically give you salaries up front to leave, and then they close your salary year two, and then they say, they make their savings. But it gave me an opportunity to kind of step out. And Pete just sold his house. 

And so we bought Crystal Space, the shop, I think that's where I met you. And I got all my crystals. And then I started just looking around for people to come. 

And we had this like thirsty club called Our Space, the group still exists on Facebook. It's just an online one now, but it's still there. And every Thursday, I'd get different speakers to come.

And I used to learn a little bit about this or that, everything from Buddhism to metamorphic technique, you know, the tapping thing. Yeah. Oh, there was so many. 

I do remember, I don't know, from sort of 2012 through to 2016, there was just explosion of spirituAllyty and different modern techniques and a lot of earth-based spirituAllyty stuff. And I found myself kind of knowing all sorts of all sorts of things and nothing really grabbed me. And then one day, Emma, a lovely friend of mine who used to do our Druid ceremonies every six weeks, you know, the Sabbath ceremonies. 

She said, I've got a friend down south who's received something called the Munaki and is offering to come up if I can gather a small group together to make it worth as well to come to teach it. She said, would you like to do it? So I went away and she gave me a name and a link and I went and had a look. And I watched this video for about five minutes.

And I just thought, I mean, I'm doing this. Nothing had ever grabbed me like that by the throat. There was no way I was saying no. 

And I rushed back. I remember rushing back saying, you know, desperate because I thought someone else because she only had five spots. I agreed to do it at Crystal Space. 

And that was very lucky to be asked. There was five of us on the course. And we did it over a weekend, which with hindsight, I wouldn't recommend anyone do because the work I had to put in on my own in reading and trying to grasp some of these concepts that I'd kind of been taught at the top end, you know, this is the Munaki and this is what you do. 

But you do need a bit of a base work and you can get that if you do it more slowly. In the same way as the shaman would slowly teach his protégé, his young people, as they grew up in his tribe, would slowly teach them the ways. You can take your time, you can introduce it and the concepts flow throughout the ceremonies. 

But I had the whole thing in one. And the only thing that I could remember, because I remembered nothing about what happened. So I had to go watch all the videos and then it all came back to me.

And I had a manual and then I kind of I kind of kind of reverse engineered it from the manual. And yeah, and everyone has to do that because there is nothing except receiving all the rights and the teachers and how to pass them on. And you are wholly dependent on your mentor to deliver that information correctly and to teach you in the way that Verlalder first laid these rights out. 

And there are videos out there to this day and they're still where I would say for people to go. And I've lost my thread. What was I saying? Oh, yes. 

About the timings. Yes. Oh, yeah. 

OK. I did this two days and I couldn't remember anything and I had to build all that afterwards. And I was fortunate I wasn't working. 

I had my shop and Emma had the time. And so we'd spend two or three hours twice a week. We'd come at the shop when I shut and open space and we just work through it, work through it until we lived and breathed it, you know, and did ceremonies at home every day in between. 

And not many people have that time to do that. Very few. If you've got young kids or if you work. 

I didn't have a day job. And so it's. But when I walked, I did these two days and I was absolutely worried in my head and I walked out the shop coming out with everyone else and I turned and locked the door and I turned around, I looked up.

This might have been what you were describing. And I just got this sense of suddenly being in the whole you, in the whole everything. I just everything just felt complete and that I suddenly felt a part of absolutely everything that was around me. 

And that's never left. I've got used to it, but I still get it if I go outdoors, if I take my shoes off, if I stand on a beach. And we all recognize that feeling on top of that feeling you get on top of a mountain.

That. And then as you come back to real life and the buildings and the smog and the phone and ringing and then the TV and the kids, it all kind of evaporates. But it doesn't with Runeike. 

It somehow you create sacred space and you can learn to do it in your head and you can learn to do it in about 30 seconds because you step out of that space time paradigm to step out of that whole thing about linear time and just imagine it. Just imagine the directions, imagine the energies, imagine that, you know, you have do you have fire, fire in the South represented by the serpent. And in the West is is Jaguar. 

And I mean, they're a little bit different to what we're used to actually enjoy it. So I won't confuse things by going through it. But as soon as you kind of just imagine these directions and these energies, it comes around, you know. 

Yeah. Yeah. So that was 20. 

That was 2012. Yeah. Got me in. 

And then I just dedicated to it to the point that I am considered quite narrow. And I know I'm a little bit resistant to learning new things. But I see that as a good thing because I see myself as a bit of a guardian of the.

That's it. I'll tell you about the network in a minute. But that's kind of part of that, too, is guarding the process. 

Yeah. Keep it as original as possible so that when you're passing it on, you know that you're passing on as near to original as you can. Yeah. 

I like that. I don't think that's I don't think that's rigid. I think that would be, you know, I think that's the best way to be with something so sacred. 

Does that make sense? Yeah. And people, people try to change it to fit what else they're doing. I've heard of things like Moon Iki Reiki.

And I think I think it's much simpler if they just do their thing, but just embody the Moon Iki in all that they do, including when they do yoga, including when they teach Reiki, including when they're holding a mediumship session or reading somebody's cards. You just you don't have to add any practice in that you just embody it. And it's like if you're doing heAllyng work or Reiki, to start before or after you do your symbols, you call the healers, just you just call them. 

Just imagine this circle of people walking towards you, then fanning out either side and they eventually form a circle with your hands. You put your hands out. You can almost feel that holding their hands as they join you and they just hold that moment and then away you go.

And you can learn to do that quite quickly, you know, this kind of to start to build it into stuff to the point now I don't, I'm not aware I'm doing it anymore. But it's just so natural. I just sometimes if I, you know, the archetypes, I'm very friendly with Quetzalcoatl because I'm the most chaotic person. 

And I used to write lists. Everywhere I had lists. And I spent more time rewriting lists and doing things on the list, particularly when I used to work. 

This was before Reiki. Now I don't write lists anymore. I just think about Quetzalcoatl. 

And whatever it is I'm meant to be doing comes into my head. Yeah, really strange. It's like today, I remembered, I wouldn't normally remember things like this. 

And I've stood people up for like, Oh, my God, we're supposed to have a call, you know, or something, you know, go out somewhere. But if I yesterday, I call, I literally said, I need Quetzalcoatl. It just came into my head. 

And that's it's just been there since it's been in my background. And that's the best way I can describe how they work with you. Sometimes you consciously express a wish to have some help from one or the other from a lineage or from an archetype. 

But sometimes they're just there, they just offer themselves. Yeah. So if you were gonna, if somebody said to you, right now, Ally, what is the best way? If I want to, if the Moon Eye Keys for me, the best way that I can get into it, what would your advice be? Where would you tell them to look? Apart from you, obviously.

Oh, well, you know, I've been trying to retire for about two years. I know you kept telling me. I'm telling you, I'm not doing any more of this. 

And then I have people that I can refer people to, but they won't go. No, I want you. All of course, they've got some connection or other.

And it's a little bit, I think, a little bit leeches thinking, you know, well, that person's higher up there. But it really, the more people that can learn to give Moon Eye Key and practice it and practice giving the better, because I've only got so much time and then it then it slows down. If you have a waiting list, there's something wrong. 

Because if you're thinking if you're giving the rights to enough people over time and you're teaching, you should never have a waiting list. There should be always somebody. And this is a reason that they need you specifically.

It might be that they're a personal friend of yours. You're not going to charge them any investment. Yeah.

But what I would say, firstly, is to watch Alberto, to go on to YouTube and to put in the words Alberto Violdo, which is Alberto, as it sounds, and Violdo is V I double L. Oh, God, you know, I need to be I double L O L D O. I've just got some books here to show you. Yeah. This was Violdo's first book, Dance of the Four Winds. 

It's probably reverse, isn't it? And this is all about when he first met his first shamanic mentor back in the 80s. Lovely book. And then when he put it all together, he did something called The Four Insights, which is from that he developed his four wind school on shamanic practice. 

And they do the medicine wheel, which is a two year course starting and they do a direction south, west, north, east, and each direction they'll do different practice. So they'll do Munaki throughout the two years. You meet every three months, every six months, sorry, four times. 

And then the first one, the first wheel concentrates on things like sacred space and introduction to Munaki, some of the rites and soul retrieval. The second meeting six months later, and they'll be working between and practice and supervision would be on negative extraction of entities that have entered into the spaces where you've lost soul parts. So basically, the idea is that you're in Munaki and the first shamanic ideas really is that we are a soul in a physical avatar, a body that we connect to source through our chakras. 

Now the ancient shamans in India didn't call them chakras, but they used to call them portals. And they had indigenous words. And their notion is that upon, now this is a moot point really, and I don't want to get into it about when life is Allyve, but generally it's thought to be at conception. 

The male and female bodies blend and then source and invest, assist the soul to come into that union and also invest a part of itself. And that's really important. So we're all part God. 

So when we're working at a spirit level, we are God. God is working through us. We're all God masquerading as ourselves. 

It's an expression Viloda uses. So we are us, our soul, our immortal soul, and we come into this life and we have past lives. And at the end of this life, we leave. 

But when we leave, our spirit part, the part of us as God, goes back to source. And that contains everything that is us in this life, all our connections, all our spirituAllyty. But our soul moves on, which is why you can go to a medium and connect with the spirit of your dead grandmother, but she's been reborn as a Chinaman. 

You have many lives and your, you know, the Cassiopeia record will hold all of the information about every life back with source. And that is you, you're still there, your spirit part. But you know, you have many, many spirit parts for many lives and it's still all you. 

It's your Eunice, but your actual soul moves on. And it's a kind of a, that's a concept that I hadn't really come across in that way until I came to Moon Eye Key. I lost the thread of why we're talking about this. 

Where did this start? So I was just asking how somebody would find how to get into the Moon Eye Key. Oh yeah. Yeah. 

Yeah. Yeah. So go to, if you go to Valdo, he's done this wonderful video, he's done two. 

There's number one, which is a 15 minute intro. And then there's, it's the Moon Eye Key video two, it's called. And it's 35 minutes long. 

And he introduces the background and history of these tribes that came from Indochina, the body of prophecy and the body of processes. But he also goes into the physiological and the metaphysics of the avatar, the four layers of a person that we have the level of the physical, the body, the mind, the soul and the spirit. And they're like Russian dolls in a hierarchy. 

So problems at the level of the body need to be treated higher up the level of the mind and above. So if you have a, you cut yourself, you need nothing more than your mind to think, oh, I'm bleeding and to fix it. But if you have a problem with the level of the mind, you need the level of next level up the level of soul, which is the mythic counseling therapy, meditations and so on. 

But then if you've got a problem at the level of the soul, and indeed any of the lower levels, the mind and the body, because we can fix spiritually, we can fix physical problems. We know this through hands on heAllyng. All of this, all of the spiritual heAllyng, all energy work is happening at the highest level of all the level of spirit. 

So when you train in any practice, that's the level you're working in. You're creating space and you're working as source with source for source in this spiritual domain. And you can heal all the lower levels. 

And then we get into difficulty in the West because we have a problem at the level of the mind or the soul. So we've lost through trauma, we've lost soul parts. That's where I was talking about, wasn't it? We've lost soul parts or through stress and trauma, our mind is traumatized and suffering. 

We try and fix it. We go in reverse and try and fix it at the level of the body with antidepressants and psychotics, alcohol, drugs, gambling, any distractions. And that's not heAllyng. 

That's just putting the stinking plaster over and covering the problem up. And it will just move somewhere else and continue to torment and us to feel suffering and unhappy. So there's great heAllyng in shamanic work.

And it's very, it's kind of designed so that you can come in, you're kind of guided to come in at the right place, whether it's art, music, counseling therapy, which is that level of the soul, or whether to find someone that can access that spiritual, I've hugely digressed. Anyway, yes, Alberto Veroli talks about all of this, much of what I've said. He talks about the parts of a person and how it all works. 

And energy medicine, sort of a very brief introduction to that. In fact, Runaike, the thing that I like about Runaike, and I think this is really important to express because this was me, I knew a bit about everything, jack of all trades and absolutely master of nothing at all, except having too much to say. And the thing about Runaike is as a lay person who knows nothing about shamanism, or any of that, can come and learn, receive the rites of Runaike and can learn to pass them on. 

I think there has to be, they have to have two things. They have to be of the understanding that there is a kind of a creator, that there is a spiritual world and that there is a creator. And they have to have an open mind to the notion that we can create a space within which we can work with source. 

And if they can suspend their disbelief for anything else whilst perhaps learning about that, then they've got, it really is something that everybody can just pick up. And I think it's one of the few things, Reiki is similar. You can learn Reiki and practice Reiki without having to learn, spend years and years learning about the background, you know. 

But yeah, it's nice because you can come and you can, and this is what's happened to me. I've become a speciAllyst in Runaike, pretty much exclusion of everything else, but it does mean that I've got this really good grounding and confidence in it. So that's handy for, because often I find that I feel, I do meet a lot of people in the network who've received the rights, like I did in a weekend, but they've lost contact with the mentor.

It wasn't set up that they could have ongoing supervision, whereas I always offer free telephone support, come over to my house at any time and do a Runaike refresher, I don't charge for those. And just keep that relationship because it really is kind of for life, the mentor relationship, even though people never use that in that way. I've never known anybody from years and years ago still contacting me, asking for my support, but the offer is there.

And that's something that is another indigenous practice of that relationship of teaching. Although once you receive the ninth right, there is this notion of equAllyty between you and your mentor, but there's still a way to go. But yeah, Alberto Villaldo's video is two, is the best way to start. 

And then number three, straight after that, he goes through video demonstrations of all of the rights. And he has a small team, some of which are still with him. Actually, Marcella is in those videos. 

They've since got married and they're still together. She really has become the front face of Runaike now, Marcella López, and she does all the training and all the promo for Runaike. Alberto is set back a bit and he's doing a lot of writing and still doing his books and getting deeper into some of his stuff. 

But those are the videos to watch. And then I think if you see those and you get that feeling of, oh, this is really interesting, then your next step is to find a mentor. A good place for that is to go to the Runaike Network UK, which has grown from being just one network in the North of England. 

When I started, because I felt so strongly that this was something for everybody, and this was Alberto, what he said was Runaike is for everybody, not for you don't need to do decades of shamanic practice to do this stuff. I wanted to make it accessible. So we set up a network to kind of show Runaike to more people. 

And very slowly, I was starting to come across other mentors in other parts of the country. So we started to develop new networks. And now there's about 25 networks all across the UK. 

We've also got a couple in the US, Peru, and Scotland as well has its own network. And the idea is that they're kind of led by people that have received Runaike and offer it as teachings. They don't kind of own the network, but they admin it and support new members. 

And any members in those area networks, if they do Runaike, can then advertise their sharings if they want to teach it. And we also have a, in the description, list of networks. There's also, although it's by no means complete, a list of mentors with a little bit about information about their background. 

But the best thing to do is to go on the network and shout out, I'm interested in Runaike. Is there anybody who may? Yeah, I tend to see most of those. And if nobody comes up, nobody responds and says, hey, I'm in Devon, and I've got a ceremony coming up.

I can sort of come in and see if I can help them. And there's a website, but it's not hosted. It's linked on the Facebook page. 

But that's got a little bit about the process and a direct contact to me. People can email me and I can try and fix them up with a mentor. Brilliant. 

That's perfect. Thank you so much for talking to me today, Ally. It's been amazing. 

I always love talking to you. I always think with you, the things that you have forgotten, you know, you've forgotten more than I'll ever learn in my bloody lifetime. Do you know what I mean with this with Runaike? But thank you so much for being with us today. 

Oh, you're welcome. I bet we've eaten up over an hour. Yeah. 

We lost a bit in the middle, didn't we? Oh, it's been fun. It's been fun. And you barely scratched the surface, you know. 

But yeah, people are interested. Do you have somewhere you put links for? Yes, I'll put them on the feed, on the Facebook page, and then people can go on. If it's something they're interested in, we can put some links on them. 

It's on the YouTube channel as well. I'll send you afterwards. I'll send you the links to the two YouTube videos of Alberto Villoldos. 

And I'll send you the Facebook link for the UK group. And then you could just go from there, because there's a list in the description of all the different networks. They should spot somewhere near them. 

But if they just want to shout out, or people find me in the members, I think you can message me directly. But I can only really do one group a year. Yeah. 

Sometimes four or five people I might take through the six months, starting in the spring, because where I live, it gets a bit inaccessible in the winter. And then just go into sort of over the winter, sort of supportive mentoring. And then we have our monthly free Moon Nike refreshers and shares. 

And anyone could come to them, really, come and watch if they want. Brilliant. Brilliant.

Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you.

Thank you. See you, Stacey. Bye.