16 - Guided by Spirit - A Conversation with Sasha-Louise B

Guided by Spirit – A Conversation with Sasha-Louise B

In this powerful and soul-stirring episode, I sit down with the incredible Sasha-Louise Bentham, a practicing medium, celebrant, trance medium, and spiritual teacher who’s spent over 14 years deepening her connection with spirit.

We talk about Sasha’s journey into mediumship and how trance mediumship found her unexpectedly - taking her on a profound path of healing, past-life connection, and deep spiritual service. She opens up about what it’s really like to be a vessel for spirit, the emotional intensity of her experiences, and how she balances it all with grounded boundaries and trust in the process.

Whether you're curious about trance work, energy healing, or you're walking your own path with spirit, this episode is full of real talk, spiritual insight, and a deep respect for the unseen world.

• Sasha’s spontaneous initiation into trance mediumship
• How past lives can come forward for healing
• The role of boundaries in spiritual work
• What it means to be a pure channel for spirit
• How trance mediumship differs from traditional mediumship
• The importance of respect in spiritual spaces

This is a conversation filled with honesty, love, and the mystery of the spirit world.

Edited and produced by Mike at Making Digital Real

Transcript

I thought everyone was doing it, I just thought it was a child's thing that you would, you know, and especially at night time, again, the highest intention during the night, I would wait randomly and it was like I was watching something on the wall and all of a sudden I'd just come around and I knew that my eyes were open, I'd been staring at this wall for so long, but it was just like a story going on, but I was just staring at this wall. Welcome to Guide to Spirituality's podcast with me Stacey Bower. It's a down-to-earth space where we talk all things spiritual. 

Each episode I'm joined by guests from all walks of life to share real experiences, practical tools and honest conversations about healing, growth and the unseen spiritual world. Whether you're just starting out or you're deep on your journey, this podcast is here to support your path with insight, connection and that little bit of magic. Welcome to today's episode where I'm joined by the lovely Sasha. 

Sasha is a gifted transmedium and a spiritual teacher, a celebrant, amongst many other things. Today we're diving into her journey with spirit, the power of transmediumship and what it really means to be a vessel for healing and connection. This is a raw, real and magical conversation you won't want to miss.

Hi Sasha, thank you so much for joining me today. It looks very sunny where you are, is it very nice there? Yeah it's lovely thank you, really nice. I'm under a little bit of shelter, it's quite warm. 

It's bloody cloudy here but I have got the washing out so I'm all right, this is good. So you are, for anybody that doesn't know, you are a practicing medium but you're also a celebrant, you do a number of different things, you do transmediumship, all sorts of stuff. How would you describe yourself? How do I describe myself? I suppose really for me, as many people would put it, strange, quirky, freaky and I suppose really for me, I've accepted that and I've just grown into it and the more I've grown into it, the more I've just intuned and naturally go with it and allowed spirit just to guide me what has felt right to the spaces that I fall into or I don't fall into or what has felt right. 

My mediumship, I've been training in 14 years and my trance just fell into me in 2019 out of nowhere. I wasn't even considering it. It was quite interesting. 

I was just sat in a circle and there was the tutor and two other students there and I was just collecting to a higher consciousness. It's going higher and higher and I could just feel gravity pulling my left hand side and I was like, where is this taking me? This is more than just physical. We're just going into a meditation to receive messages and symbols and I'm like, and it was taking me stronger and I was like, my conscience, my subconscious was connecting going and I knew my voice box was just starting to change and I could feel the physical change come over me and I was just like, there's people at the table that really aren't going to understand this.

They're going to be really uncomfortable. They're not with nothing we've ever practiced and it was nothing ever I considered. So I was like holding the space for spirit. 

We got called and we come back round and as we come back round, I was asked, can you go back and retrieve? And I said, I can, but it's taking me deeper. She went, you're going physical, aren't you? And I said, I really am going physical. And I said, but it's nothing I ever wanted to do or try.

And just from other experiences that didn't drop into my space, it really didn't feel right. So of course, years of it not dropping into my space and not feeling right and just the experience of what I'd seen, again, just didn't ever feel right for me. But when it naturally happened, I did and actually for the first time ever, for me, it was like a past life experience and I wish I'd recorded it. 

We never video recorded it and I wish I really did because it was past life and during it, it had all been wrote out for me so I could come back and read it. And it was really weird because a bit like Jekyll and Hyde, because one minute I'd become this person and I was a gent and he told me about past life and I'm not going to go into details because it was quite horrific, but he'd showed me where he was and what he sacrificed and what he had to go through and it was quite a dark area where he was and he really wanted forgiveness and he was just crying. And all the emotions and everything that was wrote up for me was all there and no one finally had come round from it and she was like, oh my God, you've just come back as your normal self. 

Do you feel all right? Are you okay? She was like, wow, that was so powerful, but you were crying, Sasha. And I was like, no, I'm fine. And she was like, that was so strong.

And she's like, he basically wants forgiveness. And as I read it and I think there's been a couple of times he's come by and he's given me some of the messages that I've wrote down and I allowed him to have peace. I allowed him to have my love and the other things that was identified to me. 

I won't wish anyone to go through. So I asked for that to be released for him and also then I just, I think it must have been early last year, I finally just like completely forgiven him and gave him that release, but I did release the pressure for him and send him the love and healing. But with the information that I won't go into of what he did give me, I needed to understand from what was given and what was seen at the time of, you know, that they were his consequences, unfortunately. 

And then from then I started June, 2019. So I think that was about May that happened to me. And then in June, I started seeing Trans Circle and Trans Healing. 

And Trans Healing, absolutely amazing. I do love it. So many different forms again. 

Yes, it's working with an energy, but it's working with guides of what you're calling in, of what you're setting to the intention. And I pretty much keep my trance on the same line of it, just feeling right, feeling appropriate. And everyone does trance different, you know, everyone's different. 

But one thing with trance, whoever is leading it, they need to be given the clear instructions of how it's to be followed, because everybody works differently, you know, and I definitely do. How I would sit in circle, I don't practice circle enough, because I can do it without being in circle, and I can practice it myself. But when I am in circle, it's very different to how I work out of circle. 

And if I to give a demonstration, I can give a demonstration in philosophy that's in trance. And then depending where I'm serving a demonstration that's open to public, sometimes again, they will take me a little bit deeper to be able to deliver more in trance. But again, trance isn't everywhere for demonstration. 

Because again, there's some stipulation rules and ethics on where it can be practiced and where it can't be practiced. And again, it's just a higher connection. You know, and if people want to see it and pursue it, what do you say to people, you know, it's something you have to take seriously, something you can't just practice. 

You know, you can't just go out there and think, oh, I can do it. You know, it comes, it does come with a lot of practice, a lot of trust, and knowing what you can and can't do with it. You see, I've met quite a couple of trance mediums. 

And one of the ladies that does it, she does it beautifully. Now, she doesn't have the voice. She's training on the voice. 

But she's like, they've told me it's not time for my voice yet. She has obviously the facial images come over. How do you do it? Do you have the voice? Do you do it facially? Which way do you do it? Again, I think it depends on the person that's trying to come through and you sit in it of how strong they are and how long we might have been doing it for, or how long that dem's been to where, again, your energy levels are dropping or their energy level's not as close. 

So everything depends. But my voice can go, and even in my mediumship, my voice can go. And I don't do that purposely. 

But I say to people, my old training 14 years ago, then manuals would have been put together 14 years prior to that, you know. So like 30 years of experience from others, and again, allowing myself to be true to myself and not just sticking to what I've been taught, but sticking and sitting with spirit, coming back with messages, or just being in the higher power and allowing myself to just to attune to it and allow them. And just one thing I've always kept with, I'm only a vessel for spirit. 

So just being that pure vessel, whether it's mediumship or trance, and a lot of people only have one Claire range. But sometimes I don't even realise that I'm using other Claire ranges. I say to people, this job's multi-skilled, you know. 

When they say to women, women are all multi-skilled. When you're working for spirit, whether it's trance or mediumship, it's really multi-skilled. Because I'll be talking, and I've got a bit of their personality coming, a little bit of their tone of my voice coming. 

Some of my mannerisms are coming, and I'm giving this evidence because I'm listening and I'm seeing what they're giving me. But then I'm doing something with my hands or my hair, and then I realise, and then I'm feeling, you know, whatever I might be feeling that could be the sitter, that they might have something, you know, a back or their eyes, or it could be the person that's coming through is their eyes, or a way of their passing, or what they're highlighting as evidence. And it is, it's not easy. 

It's not easy. It's not easy, let's be honest. It's constantly changing. 

You're always learning more and more and more. And I never do the same service. I never do the same demonstration. 

And that's because, listen, we're all individual and unique, and it's no different up there. They're all individual. They're only unique to themselves. 

And, you know, they don't change who they are. They only change if they want to make as much change as they want to make as we do down here, you know. And so, yeah, so it's just, yeah, so physically, and again, the talking, it can come, but it just depends, again, on where I'm at or where the sitter's at, or how close they've come in. 

And I've done lives before now, and afterwards, I've had the person on the live, who's run the live within their page, and they'd come back, and they're like, did you realise on your second and fourth reading, you went really deep, Sasha, and said, if you were to play the video back, there was a point where your eyes closed. And I was like, oh, no, sorry. She's like, no, Sasha, I just let you go with the flow, because I know you're just one pure vessel for spirit, and you just allow them to deliver. 

But because then she gives me that open rein, when I do the lives in there, they happen more frequently. It's nice to be given that freedom, you know, and she will then just put up that, you know, Sasha's perfectly fine. She's not just, she's a physical medium, and she'll, there's times where a trance will just come in, and, but she is perfectly fine. 

But I know that beautiful lady that runs that live. I just know that that trust is there, and I know what she's already sending me. I know what she's sending my guides, and what her guides are doing, and my guides, so how lucky am I? You see, when I've had a few, I was supposed to do some trance training earlier on this year, but actually, at the point, my liver was doing well, so I couldn't go. 

But I've noticed, when you said about the voice, so I was doing a reading for a lady a little while ago, and all of a sudden, it was like, my voice changed, and I went, sorry. And actually, as it had turned out, the lady had had, it was almost like somebody had pressed my voice box, and I was like, really odd. And when we were talking further on, the gentleman that I had, had taken his own life, and he'd hung himself. 

So when we worked it out, like something restricted me, and the voice came out that way. But I also remember sitting down to do a reading with a woman, and as I sat down, she went, she was like, taking her back. I said, yeah, it's new. 

She went, yeah, yeah, but are you sure you're all right? I went, yeah, yeah, why? She went, your face has changed. You look like my mother. I went, oh, it were really odd.

So I feel like, at point, I'm getting pushed to do it, but I haven't had the training yet. There's, there's a picture that I'll, I'll put on, and it's me, and it were taken off a FaceTime. And as, as I'm there on the picture, my mum comes in, and she's straight across my face. 

It's the strangest picture I've ever seen. You're like, I'll send it to you. But I love it. 

And I just, I do, you seem like, very similar to me, in the, you're just spirit led. It's like, as long as you put your boundaries in place, you can basically have, you know, I'll allow you to do so much, but obviously, as long as your boundaries are in place. Yeah, yeah, completely. 

And, and I always say to people, then they're, like you say about boundaries, they're so important. They're so important. You know, that I've not had it happen to me, but there has been times where for others, it's been physically draining. 

And because you've got to know when you can and can't as well, that's really important. You know, when, if, whether you're not on top form, or you've been poorly, or, you know, you've got to know when to stop as well. You know, when it, when it, when it's too much, or, and you've got to trust in the dem that you're giving, in where you're giving it. 

So online, you've got, you've got no background noise, they're just chatting, I can't see what they're talking about in their conversations, you know, and so I can't hear anything, because, because I'm at home. But you can go out and do a demonstration of philosophy, but do it in trance, but you've got to trust in that place that you're delivering it. You know, so I know, I know next year, the church, church that I run, we're going to be lucky, and we're going to have a great trance gentleman that's going to come. 

He served us last week, but I know when he comes next year, we're going to have about 12 people. And but that will come with disclosures, it will come with guidelines, because they just stipulate and stick within it, because he will come and he will work into the red light. And he will go so stronger with it. 

And we have the same rules and boundaries within the circle that I sit in, when I can get to it. And it's no different. And we all have the same respect that we just won't, we won't chip in, we always thank spirit, we always say hello to spirit. 

And, and, again, not bombarded with questions, everyone can work different. I know the gentleman that's coming next year and working, he, the 12, the 12 that he were allowed to come to the event, they will, they're going to be able to talk to him, you know, so which, which, which will be lovely. And so I'm looking forward to that. 

And, but yeah, everyone works differently. But however they work, it has to be respected. That's the thing. 

That's the one thing that when people are working with spirit and the disrespectful I can't stand is that, that I find like, oh, it makes me teeth itch, you know what I mean? So have you ever been, have you ever been in doing demonstrations and that sort of thing where people have been disrespectful? Oh yeah, you can. Yeah, you can. I've had, I've had, I've had it before now. 

And I've been really lucky because I had some amazing friends turn up where I was Deming and they wanted to try somewhere different and they've all come along. And I had someone kept going up and going toilet. I had somebody was eating crisps and you would never, you would never ever coughing loudly. 

You would never ever do that in knowing how the person's working, but it was done purposely. And do you know what? I couldn't even see him. I couldn't even hear him.

No. And I was protected from it. That's the thing isn't it? The people that had attended was sat so at the front and genuinely mixture of ages and from, from, from younger and maturer.

They were so furious, but didn't show it. And then afterwards they went, I can't believe how amazing he was considering. And I went, I remember the toilet flushing. 

I said, but it kind of, it was there, but it wasn't there. And that they were like, honestly, there was so much and they were eating Chris. They were coughing. 

They were talking. She went, and I went, and you know, the funniest thing I said, I couldn't even see him. It was blurred from my view.

I said, I said in the way I trust the way that I am protected and the work that they do for me, because of the work that they use me as a vessel to deliver. I said, they'll protect me from it. I said, and you know, another scenario, they protected me again, you know, being interrupted.

They protected me again. And, um, all, all you're, all you're doing is allowing spirit not to have that clear link. Yeah. 

Silly though, ain't it? People are there getting messages and, and then you've got people spoiling it. Why, why do people feel the need to do that? They just do, don't they? And that's the thing, isn't it? You know, um, I just couldn't imagine doing it to somebody. I wouldn't want to do it to somebody that's working in such a way. 

And, um, you know, I know a lovely gentleman that trains it. And obviously the gentleman that I spoke to before that, and we all know, you know, how poorly can make that person that's delivering that message that is completely opened and, um, and open to spirit, allowing that physical to take place and such a connection. Um, and you don't understand how it overtakes your mind or overtakes your body on the physical, mental, and emotional state of mind. 

You're connecting to such a higher frequency. Um, can that person be physically sick? They can come around and be sick. You know, I mean, even talking about it, they're making me feel sick. 

Just because it can make you feel, um, disorientated, um, when you come in round. Um, and especially if like, you could be doing it for years, but just say you've, you've had a busy week at work. You've had a busy lifestyle.

You might have younger kids or older kids, or you might have grandchildren. You've been running around and, um, and you keep all your practice, you keep all your boundaries, you get there and you deliver because you're chaos. You're probably not, you're not as strong as you normally are.

So that weakest little thing that can creep in and you've made somebody bawly, you know? So, um, and, and, and, and again, mental state of mind, you know, you've got that mental state of mind where you can be mentally exhausted and push yourself into trying to still deliver. And you've got to know when you can't deliver because you're leaving yourself open to things like that happening. Cause it doesn't matter how strong your team is, but if you're, if you're not strong enough to bring them forward and have them with you and have that same amount of stress, but you've got something mentally going on in the background, you know, it's hard to park one thing and to deliver something that again is so mentally, physically, emotionally draining. 

And it shouldn't, it shouldn't drain you, you know? I mean, don't get me wrong for do I get hungry when I'm done. When I, when I, when I recently finished a demonstration, I was, it was quite funny because a load of them were like, here's some cake and here's this food. And thank you so much. 

You've done so lovely now eat. I do, I get really hungry with it. And, um, but yeah, that's just, it's, it's just the way of it, you know? Um, because it does. 

Um, but yeah, you've got to look after yourself and you'd like to think that you're doing such a great thing for others that they would have the same back. Respect. Yeah. 

So when you, um, did you do mediumship as a child? Well, not mediumship as a child. Did you see Spirit as a child? So do you know, now this is a funny question now. So I started my training in 2011 and, um, it wasn't until COVID really come because you can sit, you can sit in circles, you can sit amongst churches, you can sit with tutors and, um, I've sat with a couple of tutors, um, and, um, and I still have a few go-to people, the same as I have a few that still come back to me that I've tutored, you know, I think it's a great network that no ego or jealousy has to happen. 

I want to be able to go to others and I want other people to feel that they can come to me. It's about sharing and caring and we all learn from it, even if we're helping somebody else. And, um, um, tell me what you said again. 

Sorry. As a child. Yeah. 

As a child. Thank you. I could see it disappeared. 

I know. And, um, so yeah, 2011, I had started and it wasn't until then, even though I'd done, so 2020 is where then I really awakened and realized. So 2020, that's already six years of having that.

No, I can't count. Can I nine years of having that knowledge, nine years of having that knowledge and having that training and, um, and, and having things under my belt, how I was working. And, um, I just thought every kid could see that. 

Right. I didn't realize it went until I went in COVID and, um, I sat with a few other people and, um, and can I mention who I went to with the angels and as he was speaking and what he was saying, it then related that what I thought everyone could see, I now realize it was spirit. So Kyle Gray, I sat with one of Kyle Gray's online and I've sat a few of them now and, um, you know, where they do their, their free demos and, um, and you can, you can sit a couple of them or you can go back and watch the videos while I sat in them. 

And, um, and there's such a beautiful connection with angels, but he also tells you, um, about other stuff. And he was like, Oh, you know, sometimes like fine tuning the old TVs and how it's fine tuning, but you can get the fuzzy floats from it. That can kind of also be kind of for, if you look at it long enough. 

And he went, did anyone ever see that as a child, you know, like you really staring at it, but you're not kind of closing your eyes, you open your eyes and they're still there and floating and just going pasture. And I was like, and he was like, you already had the energy with you. It was now you were seeing it.

And I was like, Oh my God, I've done that when I was little. And then he went and has anyone ever seen a blank canvas on a wall? And again, you are seeing things on the wall. And I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought everyone was doing it. 

I just thought it was a child's thing that you would, you know, and especially at nighttime, again, the, the, the highest intention during the night, I would wait randomly and it was like, I was watching something on the wall and all of a sudden I just come around and I knew that my eyes were open. I'd been staring at this wall for so long, but it was just like a story going on, but I was just staring at this wall and I was like, Oh my God. So I actually been doing this as a child, but I did have a spirit friend when I was a child. 

So when I got more into this and I started going lives, my mum told me more and more about the spirit child that was around me when I was a child and the things I was saying and the things I was doing. So, so yes, so much didn't come around until 2020. Yeah. 

But I realized that even in my dreams, even in my dreams, I was so young and I had so many dreams and it was so weird as I had the dreams, I would tell her, God bless her, she's not here now, but I would tell my Nana of my dreams because some of them would be absolutely horrendous. And, um, and then one of them was about this man. He kept melting everywhere.

I was running around where I used to live and it was all cut corners and lots of alleyways. I was trying to hide and get away from him and he would make me feel ill that every time I saw this man, he shrunk and he would just melt and into the ground. And I was telling my nanny, nanny would say, what's the description of this man? And I'd tell her the description.

She got the photo out and it was one of my great uncles. He was a bit, well, I was like, oh yeah. And I was like, that's him nanny, that's him.

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Every little bit helps me keep creating, sharing and growing this space. And I'm truly grateful. Do you think though that obviously I had things happen when I was a child, but then not. 

And it wasn't for me until about five years ago. Do you know what I mean with stuff? Four years ago, five years ago, whatever. So do you think that like the conditioning and that sort of thing when we're growing up, well, it's just a bit weird in it. 

So you won't bother. So it's just this, you know, it's your mind playing tricks, stuff like that. Do you think that's part of just blocking it out a little bit? I think that blocks it out. 

I think as adults and parents and not being aware of it. And I always learn, again, doing a divine service. And when we're in the churches and working again, you know, people love and light, peace, love and stuff. 

But it is very truthful. We are born here with the intention of the greatest gift of all. And that's the greatest of coming here with your love, you know. 

But again, going in and through systems and through being brought up with adults, all of that true beauty and true love is slowly stripped out of us, isn't it? So it doesn't allow us to play freely, doesn't allow us to see everything with the most beautiful list of eyes. And again, I always look, go back. If you look at those on a spectrum, ADHD or autism, what a beautiful world they live in. 

If things were so pure and simple in the way that they saw things, black and white, and with the most loving and the most caring, the only reason things get difficult for them is because people, and I'm going to say like me, because I was one of them for my son. And I'm not embarrassed to say that. I will say that proudly now, not just because I've grown from it and he's grown from it. 

And we've learnt together that, you know, you've got to allow a child to express. You've got to allow them to find their way in life. And I do look back. 

And as much as I was like, oh, no, you can't do that. Oh, we do it like this and we do it like that. That's how I was brought up. 

So to me, that's how it was. But I look back now and I just think, gosh, if they were allowed just to do them things and be able to express and, you know, it's the same, you know, with some of the men and some of the lads and some of the boys, isn't it, was to be about being a man and look at the difficulties in society now, you know. Definitely. 

I just think everything's an energy form. Absolutely. Everything is an energy form. 

And that energy is controlled from a young age via various things. You know, I look back and I used to love watching my kids put the wellies on, even if they didn't have the wellies on and they'd be full of bloody water. It didn't bother me.

You know, it's washable, it's cleanable. They can dry up, you can warm up, you can give them hot chocolate, allow them that space to be able to do that, you know. But yeah, I think, and that's why I think with me back then, I think with me, they showed me it during the night or during my sleep. 

And you get that now, Stacey, you can agree with this. You don't make time for spirit or then something to you. And you may not have made time, but you've had time, but your time has been taken up, whether you're trying to work with spirit or trying to do this, but somebody else needs to ring in and give you that guidance or give you that message. 

Or you're not just bloody listening because, again, you're doing too much with spirit already or on a daily basis, everyday life. They will come through at night time. That's what I said to people in my group now though, but you know, my dreams are going mental. 

I say, yep, because you're not practising throughout the day or you're that busy at work, you're sawing kids out, you've got to go to this group, you've taken football, you've got to that, you've got to that. And then you lay down and go, my mind's calm, spirit's like that, that's lovely, let's have a chat. That's it.

Yeah. My son was great. His night time and his terrors absolutely used to be horrendous when he was younger. 

I started putting the charcoal discs in his room, completely made a difference. And now and again was just to change him. And probably twice a year, three times a year, I'd have to change him. 

And it made such a difference. But there was a lot of trying to, we don't behave like that, we don't do that, we do it this way and not allowed to do it that way. And then we started changing our tone and changing our body language. 

And what he has now found is when he doesn't do it in the way that he feels he should be able to, he then would have that night terror. So he's now found a way that he can do it, do it correctly, and programmed himself enough to find some type of patience, but not to hold on to it. He knows he's got to be able to release it. 

So having to contain it at school, then come in as a parent, working all day, doing the food, sorting them out ready for the next day. And before you know it, they're going to bed, you haven't had that time with them. You know, like now today, both parents are working, you know, so of course, you're not have that time. 

So of course, he goes to bed and has the night terrors, where's the release? That's it. He comes home now when he's on the dartboard, obviously he's older, or he's throwing out the rugby ball, because now he plays rugby. But that pressure and that release is no longer there, because he's found a way to deal with it.

And that's what I say to people, whether you're in a meditation, you come back with something, or you've just gone for a walk, or you've just dipped your feet in the river, or you've just gone and sat a sound therapy, whatever you decide to do to take that time, you're giving that time to yourself and to that divine, to that spirit. And even if spirit are trying to tell you to make time for yourself, it's not the time that you've got to sit there and, oh, I've got to sit with spirit. There's many ways that you can sit and do it, and exactly the same as whether it's most then or for somebody else that has ways of struggling. 

And I always say to people as well, like, whether you're doing trance or whether you're doing meditation shit, is even to sit in circles of any spiritual practice, because it's what it brings you spiritually. You don't have to go into mediumship, psychic work, healing work. It's what it does to you and how it turns life around spiritually, because actually you can just use it for yourself and allow yourself to be open, to be guided. 

Yeah, definitely. So I didn't realise then that you run a church. How long have you been running a church? So I have been involved volunteering in 2019. 

2020, I become treasurer. And then, where are we now? 2023, around July 2023, so about two years now, I've been close to them. Yeah. 

So do you prefer church mediumship or do you prefer, like, private mediumship? Yeah, I like both. I suppose I've been quite lucky in working for me, working in hospitalities. I've worked with lots of different clienteles and being a celebrant as well. 

You know, I've grew up in some rough areas, I've grew up in some great areas about bring-ins, and I've gone to school that was a happy medium in between, you know, and I've never, ever, I never look at anyone different, whether they've got any or they haven't, or they've got an attitude and they haven't got an attitude. At school, I was tormented for it because I sat on the fence with people. I didn't want to get in. 

If you were bigger and stronger, and you was a bit weaker, or you had a loud mouth, you had a quiet mouth, or you're from a great area, but you're not from such a great, I was never like that. I didn't want to get involved in all of that, and because of that, I was isolated because I didn't take sides with people, and even now, I still don't, I still don't like to take sides, you know, and even now, I won't always speak the truth of stuff, you know. I say now, I've kind of changed. 

I've started telling the truth because truth's there to be told and trusting what you're saying because if it's 100% accurate and correct, you've got to say it, but all them years ago, I wouldn't say it. Helped up too much, you know. Take it back to your question again, please, because I haven't finished.

Tom, if you keep doing it. So, it's church mediumship. Do you prefer the church mediumship? I wanted to say, so for me, I'm lucky that I can adapt to doing church services, private readings, and group readings, and book readings, and like last year, I had a massive event, lovely, lovely medium that joined me. 

We'd done some charity work for a friend of ours and so that she could raise money for a brilliant charity, and it was in a social club, and of course, loads of them from church went because they wanted to support it, so that was great, and then you had loads come that was part of that social club, and of course, you had those that were spiritually and don't drink, some that like a few drinks, and then you had those from the club that was probably annihilated or just really loud. So, you've got a few different audiences there because you haven't just got one audience, and how do you go with that? And you're giving readings and they're flatlining. No one's taking the readings because you're trying to keep yourself reserved because you've got some congregation there, but you've also got a lively town there and club going, you know, from the local club there. 

How can you turn this around? Because they're not taking it in, and people that have private readings or club readings and you've got not just a background of reading with churches, but you've also know you've got your congregation there, you'll be like, you know what? I've got to be true to myself now. I'm standing on a church service. I'm standing here to deliver a service with spirit, and it was very interesting. 

So, we had some effing and jeffing going on in the end, and you know what? As soon as we relaxed and became, I know the other medium, and the congregation that had come from church, they were like, oh my gosh, it was amazing. I could see that the messages gave two messages. I gave one, the other medium gave one, and she was like, this is going to be hard work, and I'm like, no, we've got to change. 

She's like, why? I went, you've got to do it to the audience that we're working with, and when I started doing it, she was like, oh my god, what are you doing? And I was like, this is the town that we're in. This is also the club that we're in. We've also got people in here that are drinking. 

They just want one person through. So, in the end, I went, you might think who you want to come through is going to come, but let me tell you, they have the best seat in the house, and they will give you what you need, not what you think you need. And they all just look, and of course, our congregation go, yes.

And we're like, yes, and I remember this back table, they're really loud. They were going to and from the bar, drink after drink, and they managed to get a reading, and they roared at the end with clapping, and oh my god, and coming up to me, and coming up to the other medium, because she chipped in on it. And so, for us, again, that was physically exhausting.

That was physically exhausting, because you put yourself in that position, but come away, learnt so much from it, and knew to remain more of my true self. But when you have got different audiences there, but it's one whole audience, it's a bit completely cat and a fish, you know, and it opened up my congregation of me, a different way of working, that they'd never seen in there. I'd never be able to deliver a church like that.

You couldn't do it. And again, that's another thing, isn't it? Each church is a different, depending who their ED is, or what their practice is, or again, how the president can be, you know, of what the church's principles are, and you have to respect that. And that's the same when you're working, you know, you have to respect a certain ethics and set of principles of what you can and what you can't deliver. 

Yeah, absolutely. So, what's next for you then? What's coming up for you? What you're on with? What you're doing? Oh, keep me awake, Stacey, because I haven't been listening. And yeah, I've took some great time to myself recently, really needed it. 

I've done some work on healing and opening myself up and connecting to other things and kind of doing a lot of collaborations, and not even just finding my feet. But you know, a few times, I've been bit too many times. I've been stabbed in between the shoulder blades too many times. 

And it knocked trust and confidence out of me, you know, never knocked my trust and confidence with spirit. But on the physical, mate, spirit is so much kinder than some people down here. You know, the people that we have the privilege of working with, just don't always have the same sense down here. 

And it's very true what people say, sometimes the graveyards can be the most peaceful of places. Yes, yes. So, so, but I have been, I have been looking at, well, one, my achievement is doing my first ever podcast. 

Thank you, Stacey. You're very welcome. Thank you. 

That was absolutely great. Going back to doing more lives, because I really calmed my lives down because my kids were at school, we had college and GCSEs going on. And I'm a rugby mum. 

So for me, the direction my son's going in, he's been playing for his town rugby, he's been county rugby. And so life can get quite hectic for me. Yeah. 

And I care for my husband as well. So, but now, now is the time, my daughter's finished college, my son's going into college. Mate, he knows what he needs to do. 

He's, he's, he's, he's got the power. He knows what he wants. I'm so pleased and proud of him. 

But now I'm like, okay, I can, I can now do what I need to do. And opened up a load of wounds, healed a load of wounds, and just coming back bigger and stronger. And, yeah, do more of my lives, have, have a retreat under my belt by the end of the year. 

And. And this year and next year. Shopping this year, just nice, dip my toe in it, next year, have more. 

And, and launch my course that I've been sitting on for over 10 years. Wow. Long time. 

So I had the great news this year. Well, this week, I say this year, I had the idea of it all last year. Really wanted to go for it this year. 

Few things holding me back. And then I've just had that time out that I've needed. I've retrieved what I needed to retrieve. 

And I was like, spirit was just talking. They've chipped in at messages with other mediums that are giving me stuff. And they're just making me laugh because they're not opening up the can of worms in a public demonstration, but they give me enough that I'm understanding it. 

And they give me, kick up the ass that I need even more so in front of everyone. Few people that know me really well are like, I'll take it on board. And so, yes, I'm just in the process of then looking at going limited, opening up to be able to have the retreats and launch this course that I've sat on for over 10 years. 

So just a few adaptions I need to make. And it's going to look like at the moment, I'm thinking it's going to be an eight week and an eight week. And then depending on end of next year, I'll probably then do a teaching one so people could be able to teach it. 

I do want to say what it's about or not. And it's going to be not at the moment, spiritual practice. And that's as much as we'll go into it. 

But I can tell you that it will be awakening. It'll be deep within work, opening of the heart, but also be in a position to work in a spiritual way if you wish to. So you can either take from it a spiritual journey or you can work with it. 

So there's two ways of going about it. And I want people to get as much out of it as they can, but they don't have to do anything that I do or you do or anyone else does. It is completely awakening. 

And the great news I had two days ago that it's also insurable. Ah, fabulous. And that's what I want to see. 

Lots of us can go to workshops. I have a lot of people going, you don't need to be accredited. You don't need to be insured. 

You don't need to have qualifications in anything. But there's still rules and regs out there that insurances say you have to have a certificate, you have to sit the practice. And that's why now I still go back to my tutoring because I still have to sit within practicing. 

Even if I do a workshop, I still have to show that I'm still there and practicing within it. I can't just sit and practice within myself because the insurances want to see that. So again, you've got to be prepared for every angle because at any time anyone can fire something back.

Absolutely. It's been amazing to have you here today. Thank you so much.

You're very welcome. Thank you, Stacey, for having me. I've really enjoyed it.

Really enjoyed myself. So if people want to find you, where can they find you? So they can find me on Facebook, Sasha Louise Medium. And Spiritual and Holistic Therapies is my page, which again, that's something else that I've got to work in and get that going again, because I kind of sat it on a bit of a back burner for a while. 

But I believe it was all for timing. And you know what Facebook is like. It's a true example. 

When things go quiet and all of a sudden things kick up again, you end up getting the algorithm that's like, whoa, what's going on here? We can't manage it. So when it goes mad and it goes live, then it... That's it. That's it. 

Right. Thank you very much for talking to me today and I'll speak to you soon. Thank you. 

Take care. Cheers, darling. I'll see you, bye.

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