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Guide To Spirituality - With Stacey Bower
20 - Building Sustainable Businesses with Human Design & Emotional Mastery – with Amber Cherelle
In this episode, I sit down with the incredible Amber Cherelle - a coach who blends Human Design, business mentoring, mind empowerment, and emotional mastery to support entrepreneurial mums (and beyond!) in building businesses they love.
Amber shares her own journey from overcoming agoraphobia with EFT to discovering Human Design, and how this powerful system helps women create energetically sustainable businesses that nourish their well-being, their creativity, and their finances.
We dive into:
What Human Design actually is (and why it’s so unique)
- The role of emotional mastery in business and motherhood
- How to build a business that aligns with your energy (instead of burning you out)
- The fascinating link between emotions, decision-making, and your Human Design chart
This conversation is full of wisdom, practical tools, and inspiration for mum's in business - and anyone curious about Human Design as a path to deeper self-awareness and success.
Edited and produced by Mike at Making Digital Real
Hello, Amber, thank you so much for joining me today. How are you feeling?
Amber Cherelle:Fabulous, fabulous. Thank you so much for having me as well. Super excited to be here.
Stacey Bower:I'm proper excited that you're here. I've heard quite a lot about you from, from a lady that has been, … having some coaching with you and doing her human design with you, and the thing she's told me is very, very exciting, so I'm very excited for this one. Can I jump straight in with the questions?
Amber Cherelle:Please do. Please do.
Stacey Bower:Yes. So, from what I understand, you are a, coach… is it specifically for… sorry, specifically for women?
Amber Cherelle:Yeah, so I mostly work with mums in business, although I say that this year I have worked with more men than I've ever worked with. I've had lots of women who don't have children, so it just seems like it's expanding beyond what I ever thought it would, but it's all perfect. So, yeah.
Stacey Bower:Okay, so you work in human design? you work in, … you work with mums that are entrepreneurial or helping them get there, and you do emotional mastery. So is that basically as it sounds? Like, getting people to recognise your emotions and master how they would process them?
Amber Cherelle:Yeah, so essentially, I think there are four core pillars to what I do. So, I work with people… my primary focus is ensuring that the women that I work with build businesses that, first of all, they enjoy, and they actually like to run, but also that are sustainable, meaning that their well-being is sustained, that they're financially sustained, obviously, but it's more about their energy and being able to continue long-term, not just having quick wins and then burning out again. Like, I really want them to be able to build something that's energetically sustainable for them. And, of course, emotions are a huge part of that, because How we feel affects how we behave, how we think, how we move, how we operate, and ultimately, if we are operating from a state of fear, or depression, or worry, we're increasing our cortisol levels, and all of that takes a toll on our physical well-being as well. So, being able to Identify not just, this is what I'm feeling, but why I'm feeling that way, and also have a level of sovereignty and leadership over how you manage those emotions. So, one of the things… I'm gonna go on a bit of a rabbit trail here, but with human design, we have one of our centres known as the emotional center. And the emotional center, for those people who have it defined, which is about 50% of the population, feel their emotions very, very strongly. They're not designed to make their decisions based on that emotional wave. So having awareness around their emotions, and also knowing how to process them, move through them, and to lead themselves how they want to lead themselves. helps them to come back to something that I'm sure we'll talk about later, which is their strategy and authority. We'll go there.
Stacey Bower:Okay, okay, so that's a lot on its own.
Amber Cherelle:Yes. It's….
Stacey Bower:So do you have to train in emotional mastery, then the human design, or does it all come under one.
Amber Cherelle:it all comes together, and this is what I think… so, what I… when I… when I started, I started out as an emotional freedom tech… I was about to say technician. Freedom technique practitioner, so an EFT practitioner, and that's kind of where I started. And that came about because I suffered with agoraphobia, so severe anxiety, social anxiety, for about 10 months after my eldest was born. And EFT was the thing that helped me to learn to look at my emotions, accept my emotions, process them, and all of those things. And so that's where I started, was with the emotional piece, I guess. Human design came a lot later on. About 3 and a half, almost four years ago now, I discovered human design. And that came about because people were coming to me for advice in their business, and then… I was giving them. For some people, some of my clients were excelling, it was working for them, and others it wasn't. And I was a little bit like, I… don't know why. I don't know what else I can do to help you. And then at the same time, I discovered human design, and I was like, oh my goodness, it's because you were never designed to work the way that I do. You were never designed to market in that way, you weren't designed to sell in this way, you weren't designed to even, for some of them, even do what they were actually doing in the way that they were doing it. So it was… this huge shift to myself, it was a huge shift for my clients. In terms of you, or anybody else that came to work with me, or wanted to go down the rabbit trail of human design, what I really found was that human design is, like, the catch-all. It's a self-awareness tool. So it literally means that you could look at any facet of your life. your business, Through the lens of your human design. And so, it all comes together. Like I mentioned about the emotional center, that's just one facet. We could look at your splenic center, which has everything to do with your intuition, which I know is right up your street, Stacey.
Stacey Bower:Yeah, yeah.
Amber Cherelle:the splenic Center for Intuition and Wellbeing. We can look at your sacral center for your creativity and your passion and your, life force energy. So there's… all of these parts to a human design chart that actually tap us into pretty much any problem that we're experiencing, and that's where it gets to be fun. So it all comes together.
Stacey Bower:So… what actually is human design, then? What does it mean?
Amber Cherelle:Okay, this is where.
Stacey Bower:I think it's.
Amber Cherelle:juicy, and why I get excited about human design, because human design is a combination of ancient and modern sciences brought together. So we often get people that say, like, you know, I believe in astrology, I believe in my star signs, but I don't believe in you know, scientists, I'm not a big fan of research, or we get people that, say they follow the I Ching, or the chakra systems, or all of these things, and we get very stuck in the one thing that we appreciate, the one thing that we know and trust, and kind of discount everything else. Now, human design brings all of those systems together, so when you get a human design chart. You are essentially looking at your astrology, the I Ching, the Kabbalah, your biology, your chemistry, your physiology, psychology. We're looking at the genetic codons as one representation. So, rather than discounting anything, we say, what if we take the best of the best? The best of it all, the best of everything that we've kind of discovered so far. And say, if we look at you as a whole energy body, and a physical body, and a spiritual body. What do we… what do we get? Who are you? And so, your design chart, your chart is created based on a few things. First of all, the time, date, and place of your birth. So we need those things, a bit like if you were going to go for an astrological reading.
Stacey Bower:channel.
Amber Cherelle:mention? And then it also generates a… it's all on the same chart, but there's two parts to our charts. We've got one side called the personality side, which is based on the things I just mentioned, and the other side, which is your design side, and that's based 3 months prior to your birth and the planetary alignment at that time as well.
Stacey Bower:I always say it.
Amber Cherelle:I don't know if that answered your question, Stacey. That was a lot of information.
Stacey Bower:innit? So, we predetermine, excuse me, we predetermine, then. Part of our design before we're even born.
Amber Cherelle:Yes.
Stacey Bower:That's exciting. Very exciting. See, I'm a believer that we… pick our experiences, our families, our, what we want to happen. I believe that we pick them before we come here.
Amber Cherelle:Mmm.
Stacey Bower:So if we pick, 3 months before we're born, part of our design as the human person, that is very exciting, isn't it?
Amber Cherelle:is incredibly exciting. And so, in the human design theory. the soul is incarnated, that's when the soul is incarnated into the body. And when we look at that from the science aspect of this, that's also when, a… I'm not the best scientist in the world, but from my understanding, when, the fetus, when the baby actually starts to develop its consciousness, so where we… the subconscious is actually starting to restore memory and information. So when you think about the births, the… Birth cycle, gestation cycle, of… a fetus in the womb, there is this point where it's now starting to form neurological connections. It can remember the sound of the voice of the mother. It can remember the… the things that it's hearing and experiencing inside the womb. I'm also an advanced hypnotherapist, and I did my hypnotherapy training before I discovered human design, and I always found it absolutely fascinating how that we… when we do, … regression therapy, we can actually go back to events that happened inside the womb that we can remember, and we can go back to past lives and beyond that as well, but I always found that piece very fascinating to think that We started forming a lot of our belief patterns. Right inside the womb.
Stacey Bower:Yeah.
Amber Cherelle:Like, it's incredible.
Stacey Bower:That's very impressed, isn't that?
Amber Cherelle:Very, yeah.
Stacey Bower:So, with the human disaster….
Amber Cherelle:I was just gonna say, that this is… for me, human design is like this forever, ongoing journey. It's not something that you learn your design once, and you get your chart, and you're like, okay, well, my design type is a generator, and that means this.
Stacey Bower:Yeah.
Amber Cherelle:I mean, you don't.
Stacey Bower:So, how do we use it?
Amber Cherelle:How do we use it? So… Great question, great question. Quite a broad question. So… Oh, no, no, that's okay, it's just where to start. So… In human design, you have, first and foremost, 5 different design types. We've got our manifestors, our generators, our manifesting generators, our projectors, and our reflectors. Now, at the type level, all of our generators have a similar auric field and a way of processing energy. Same for every other design type. However. no two projectors are the same, no two generators are the same, and this is where it gets really interesting. So once we go beyond the type level of your human design, we then look at something called what I mentioned earlier, which was strategy and authority. Now, the strategy and authority part of your design is how you were designed to make decisions in this lifetime, how you were designed to decide where you put your energy, your time, your attention, which path you're going to go on and In this lifetime. And everybody has a different type strategy and authority. So, this in itself creates this nuance of, how am I going to be led through this life? How does my soul speak to me? How does it guide me? How does this body vessel of mine receive information from the outside world? How does it process it? And what does it do with it from there? Like, what am I designed to do with it from there? And then we go deeper, so beyond your type, strategy, and authority, we've then got your profile lines, we've got your defined centers, your undefined centers, we've got your, gates, your channels, your lines, like, there is so much information. The planets themselves and their influences. And so, what we first want to do, the first thing for your human design is to actually start what I say, accumulating knowledge. Understanding all of the different aspects of your differentiation mean for you? Because there are no two charts that are exactly the same, with the exception of if you are a twin. Now, if you are a twin, you will… You have… you've got twins! Oh, excuse me. Yes, I love this. I absolutely… it's one of my most fascinating areas, because a lot of people say, well, you know, our charts are exactly the same, but we're different. Of course you are, because you've lived through different conditioned experiences. Even two children growing up in the same house, witnessing the same events at the same time.
Stacey Bower:Yep.
Amber Cherelle:Process them differently, have a different perspective on them, and actually, we can see in somebody's human design chart why they may have processed it in one way, and why… how they could have processed it in a different way, based on the same chart, same information. So, if we take, … what's the center we haven't spoken about yet? Hmm, the throat center.
Stacey Bower:Yeah.
Amber Cherelle:So, somebody with an undefined throat center. Where we have… Sorry, this is gonna go in deep. I hope you're ready for me, Stacey.
Stacey Bower:I'm in, I'm all in, I'm ready now, I'm here.
Amber Cherelle:But when we have a defined throat center, or any center in our chart defined, it means we have consistent ways of processing energy within that center, and consistent access to it. Now, the throat center is the center of communication. It's the center of manifestation, and it's the center of self-expression. It's where we're designed to move from inner authority to our outer authority in the world to have impact. And so, somebody with an undefined throat center does not have the same consistent way of expressing themselves, of communicating, or of manifesting things into reality. They… where we are undefined, we are actually… it's where we're receiving from the world. So when we're defined, it's ours, it's consistent. Where we're undefined, it's receivership, it's where we're taking stuff in. And so, for the throat center. Let's say there was a situation happening in the home. I don't know, something really small, it might have been an argument over the TV. Now, one of those individuals with an undefined throat center, in that moment, may have been receiving the energy from their parent who got involved. And their parents' communication, the parent wanted to communicate, just take it in turns. And that child has picked up and received that part of that communication, and that's what they put out through their throat center, because they're receiving this information, they're putting it back out there into the world, but it's going to be inconsistent. And so, that may be what they expressed. We can take turns. Now, the other undefined throat center, exactly the same design, is also open, but what they're receiving may even be the communication of the sibling next to them, who's saying, I really… no, this is my time. I don't want to take turns, I want to have an hour, really, that's what she really wanted to say, and so they're expressing that. So what we're… we can see that, although you both have undefined throat centers. And bearing in mind, we're taking into account here that Arjna, the way the mind processed that situation, perhaps the emotional center and the way that processes is not just one center on its own. That entire situation, your entire energy body is working. And so. It just becomes very interesting to see how our… potential for conditioning. Even though the potential is the same, the way in which we may have been conditioned is different.
Stacey Bower:Yeah. You see, Me and my sister obviously grew up in the same house, and we had the same parents. But I remember when we grew up, as we were growing up. me and Dad were drinkers, but there were points where I were like. you know, this ain't right, and this and that, and she were very much… but I was very outspoken, and I still am very outspoken, and sometimes I need to try and pull it back a little bit, like, I didn't mean it like that, it just came… sometimes it's out before I even know it's in my brain. But, my sister were very much of, well, look, it's their house, you know, and wanted it to be all okay. Not that she were like… you know, not a pushover or like that. She didn't like the confrontation, she didn't like the speaking up and out about it, where I was quite happy to go, well, it's wrong. Do you know what I mean?
Amber Cherelle:Yeah, yeah.
Stacey Bower:So that's interesting, like I said, that we both grew up in the same house, but we both have different, … we both have very different ideas of how our childhood was.
Amber Cherelle:It's fascinating. Me and my brothers also have very, very different experiences, and there's age gaps between us as well, so if you think about, we're experiencing the same thing, but we're also experiencing the same thing at different ages, with a bunch of different experiences behind us. Like, it just gets, you know, and this is where the psychology comes in, because it becomes really fascinating. I think… what I like to remind people is that the idea of human design is not to get caught up in the conditioning, it's to be able to recognize the conditioning, and also recognize that actually. when we have that conditioning behind us, we stop operating as who we were designed to be. We start operating as a result of who other people are, or who they want us to be, or what they expect us to be, versus actually what we were given to bring to the collective, how we were here to contribute to the collective, and how we were here to help the collective continue to expand. Because that's what I believe we're all here for, is continued expansion and evolution. And so… If we focus only on the conditioning, which can be tempting to do, because we love to heal, we love to unpack.
Stacey Bower:Yeah.
Amber Cherelle:We miss out on the magic of who we are. And so I… one of the things that I talk to people about, once you've gathered the knowledge, the understanding of who you were designed to be, it then becomes this kind of game. I like to play. I'm playful. So it becomes this game of self-awareness, of noticing where those energies are residing within you, … And where they're not being allowed to be expressed. So I have a prime example of this. I have gate 62 in my conscious sun, on my personality side of my chart. That… that sun planet represents our life's purpose. Now, just to be clear here, when we say purpose, that doesn't mean what you're going to do for a career, that doesn't mean what your, like, work should be. Our life's purpose is what we give to… what we give and what people receive in everything that we commit our energy to. So in every interaction, whatever you choose to do. Your life's purpose is brought through in that endeavour, so it's who you be when you do what you do, not what you do. And so, my life's purpose is gate 62, which is the gate of the scientist. Now, I'm not in the field of science, but you could say human design has a lot of science within it.
Stacey Bower:Massive, that. I mean, to be fair, I'm a little bit blown here, but yeah, go on.
Amber Cherelle:And the scientist is somebody who absolutely loves to research, to see the connections between everything that is, and then helps to explain them. I'm a talker, so I'm here to explain in a way that most people would understand. one of my shadows of that is that I tend to over-explain, because I want to make sure you've got it, so I'll give it to you in this way, and I'll give it to you in that way, and… anchor in. And for some people, that can be overwhelming. I'm not here for everybody. I'm here for the person who needs that. I'm here for the person that needs the constant reminders, or the different perspectives, so that they can see it from all ways, shapes, and sides. Now, when I was a child, I absolutely loved to read. I love to divulge information. I love to research, I love to write, I love to share. And at the same time. I carried a lot of guilt and shame and fear around that. So you'd find me bunking off school, oh yes I did. I'd wait until Mom had gone to work, and then I'd hide under my covers, and I'd have my book, and I would sit and read for hours. Because my family didn't read, they weren't readers. Not that they had anything against reading, but it wasn't something that anybody else did, and there was some level of… I don't know. this isn't a thing that we do around that. And at the same time, I was dyslexic, so reading, for me, I'd have to go back and read… like, I'd read a sentence, realize I've skipped three, and then have to go back and figure out what I've missed, and it was a long process, and I didn't know I was dyslexic. So there was a lot of shame around reading speed in classrooms, like at school, because.
Stacey Bower:Yep, okay.
Amber Cherelle:I'm slower than everybody else.… And… felt like I needed to reread things so many times to understand them.
Stacey Bower:But I enjoyed the process.
Amber Cherelle:But it was embarrassing. So there was a lot of conditioning around, I can't really be seen in this, sometimes I feel like I don't know enough, this is another kind of shadow side, feeling like there's never enough information. I always need more, I always need more. And that made me… this is where my social anxiety came from a lot of the time. What if I… maybe I shouldn't say that, because what if it's not correct? what if I've got that wrong? That would be a bit stupid to say, wasn't it? So I'd start to filter myself, and then just started not speaking very much at all. I'd just observe, which is not who I'm designed to be at all. So, I can't remember where I was going with this, other than the fact that we all have these layers of differentiation, these gifts that we're here to share, and coming into ownership of those gifts. is recognizing it. So I… when I had my human design reading, I was like, holy moly, I have been so ashamed of my love for science and reading and research for so many years. that I've never really fully allowed myself to express it, to go into it, and to be the sharer of those things that I've learned. It shifted the entire trajectory of my business. I remember just taking this to business when I used to host my first masterclasses. As you can probably guess, by now, they were long. Sometimes up to, like, 2 hours. And one of my best friends used to say, you know, I love you, but you really need to just… these should be shorter. So I did. I started stripping every masterclass back to 30 to… 30 minutes to an hour, and I'd get to an hour, and I'd apologize. I'd say, I'm so sorry I've kept you so long, I've just got a couple more things to share, and then I'll make sure we get off, and I'd never feel like the transmission was complete. I never felt like I'd… Done it. Now, I'm a generator. I'm born to respond, but there is also, in the sacral center. this generative force that needs to be used in a satisfying way. It has to be used in full each day, complete… completely. for the generator to experience their signature theme. The signature theme is satisfaction. So I started feeling really frustrated, not only self-conscious, but then frustrated during my masterclasses, because it was like, it just didn't feel like it was… it… I didn't feel like I'd done it, what I set out to do. Because I hadn't, essentially, the energy had not been used up. And when I found my human design, I was like, well. No wonder I'm so frustrated with what I'm doing. And back to my… my lives don't have a timeframe on them now. I never say I'm gonna be live for an hour, it starts… it starts at this time, and it goes on until the transmission's complete.
Stacey Bower:Yeah.
Amber Cherelle:stay for as long as you want, but I am here for the… the journey. Those taking back ownership.
Stacey Bower:That's pretty interesting.
Amber Cherelle:It's taking back ownership over you, and being like, This is….
Stacey Bower:So really then, so actually, I know you set off saying that it's not about… your design's not about what you should be doing as a career and what have you, but actually, if you are… if you know what your design is, then… Naturally, you will go into a field where you are gonna be really quite good at it, aren't you?
Amber Cherelle:Absolutely. If you can own it, you… the thing is, is that when you're… When you own your design, when you fully take sovereignty over it and you live from it, and that's an inward-out process, you've got to feel it and experience within you first, and then you have to allow it to be self-expressed through the throat center. Energy is coming through the head center and through the root center, and it's looking for the path of least resistance. to move through your body and to be expressed out of the throat center. So… When we are living in our highest expression of all we were designed to be. you can think of that energy field around you, it expands. It literally expands.
Stacey Bower:Gets bigger, yeah.
Amber Cherelle:It's bigger, it gets wider, and that is felt by everyone around you. So it's not just that you will be directed and naturally fall into a career that is aligned for you. It's also that the opportunities that are aligned for you will start to be magnetized towards you, because people will feel you for who you really are, and truly are. And things will come to you so quickly. Like, I never like to say. If you embody your human design, you're going to manifest your wildest dreams and your.
Stacey Bower:No.
Amber Cherelle:Because, ultimately, most people, and this is what I found very recently, a beautiful lady, you can go and find this video testimonial, it's on my Instagram feed, it's on my Facebook feed, she came to do a reading with me, and she, at the time, was running a well-being online well-being business. She was trying to get it off the ground. She'd been doing it for several years, she'd not really made many sales, a few here or there, wondering if she should continue with it, and… Essentially, like, on the call, she started speaking about her poetry, something that she does just for herself. Never shared it with anybody. But it's been her greatest healing tool. And the shift in her auric field, like, I could feel it from the other side of the screen. I'm on Zoom, and I can still feel her, the change in her energy, the change in her body, like, she just expanded and opened up.
Stacey Bower:Now, it's not my job to tell you, yes, you are a poet, you need to go and publish that, you need to go and share it with… No.
Amber Cherelle:that's not for me to do. So I just tapped her in, I started asking her questions, and I started saying, can you feel the difference in your body when you speak about your poetry versus when you speak about this? Can you feel that? Can you sense that? absolutely, of course she could. And then we look at her design, and we look at her life's purpose, we looked at her mercury gate, which is her gate of communication, and it was like. everything lined up. The things that she writes poetry about are literally written into her design. The things that, like, the creativity aspect of it was written into her design, and she was like. In her testimonial, she talks about how She just knew. She just knew from hearing who she was designed to be that this part of her expression that she'd been holding back was ready, like, it's now, it's now, it's time to be released, it's time for me to share that. This is the thing. And… I don't know, to be able to have that amount of confidence in yourself.
Stacey Bower:And that's it, that's amazing, isn't it?
Amber Cherelle:it, yeah, yeah, blows my mind every time, and I'm doing it every day, and it just blows my mind every time. It's beautiful.
Stacey Bower:I love this, I feel like I need mine doing. Just going back, though, right? Interestingly, when you said that, it brought a memory back to me. Now, when I were at school, when you were saying about reading, my dad didn't… I mean, he could read everything, he used to read paper, but not books. My mum used to read books, my sister loves it. I hate reading.
Amber Cherelle:I mean, it's one of them things… and then when you said, actually.
Stacey Bower:I used to skip 3 lines and go back. I remember doing that. And then I remember in English, we had one teacher I didn't particularly like the man, but he used to have you all standing up and reading. Well, some people were fluent readers, they were all like… and I remember standing with this book going. And, then… and I used to add words in that weren't there.
Amber Cherelle:And then I also missed words.
Stacey Bower:And at one point, he went to me, like, is there something wrong with you? Do you need glasses? What's so weird? Why can't you just read it? And I remember, like, oh… and then every time we went into English, I used to think, please, please don't make us read out loud, please don't make us read out loud, because I hated it, and I could not get my head around it. There were a point to me saying this, but I feel like I've just gone on a bastion now, I'm an English teacher. Over the whole thing of it. But, it's interesting that One act like you've had the same experience, but… so we might have… some parts very similar, because some of the things you were saying, I were like, yeah, but I did that, yeah, I would like that. But actually, like you say, we've had two totally different experiences around the similar sort of thing.
Amber Cherelle:Yes.
Stacey Bower:but want to lead you to thoroughly enjoy the reading, and I've gone, absolutely not, thank you. Isn't that odd?
Amber Cherelle:Well, there's… there's also… so, we're talking about an experience and a situation that could be similar. We could have been in, you know, we weren't, but we could have been in the same classroom and had the same teacher, the same experience, the same kind of things thrown at us. And… We are likely defined in very different places, with different shapes and different energies. So again, even in our definition, my love for reading, I would have said to anybody, even 10, 15 years ago, if you'd asked me, you know, are you an academic type? Do you like to learn? I would have been like, no, no. And at the same time, behind that, if I'd thought a little bit deeper to that question, I would have been like, well, I do like to learn in the right circumstances, if it's self-led, if it's this way, if it's that way, if it's about this, I've got no interest in learning about politics, I've got no interest in learning about this, but if you give me this, hell yeah! And so… that… that again adds this layer of nuance. As a generator, I'm here to follow what lights me up and what excites me. I'm here to not just… Gate 62 is my life's purpose, but it's not… anything and everything I'm here to research, so somebody else can have a GATE 62 in their life's purpose. They could also be a scientist, or an archetype of the scientist in their life's purpose. But their field is going to come from their type, strategy, and authority. So my field, I've been led into my field through my sacral yes, and through my excitement, and through that interest. Their field could be wildly different. It could be equestrian horses or something along those fields. So, the fact that you have had similar experience, Yet you are designed differently.
Stacey Bower:will also impact.
Amber Cherelle:What gets sparked on you later on, because as you move through the rest of your life, there are going to be other influences and other sparks, and it may simply be, actually, that reading's just simply not that important to you.
Stacey Bower:That's it, he's just not important, yeah. How interesting. So, how does this come about, then? So, one day, you're doing your hypnotherapy, you're doing your, emotional, work. where does human design come across one day, and you go, well, actually, that's for me, thanks ever so much, and I want to master it?
Amber Cherelle:It was actually, like, a complete contrast experience. When I first found human design, I was like, what the hell are you talking about? Got it. Makes no sense whatsoever. So, … a beautiful soul named Claire, who used to be my virtual assistant, and she did a lot of lead generation and things for my business, actually had another client called Shari Thompson. And… she said, you have to listen to Shari, I think you'll really like Shari, and just go and watch one of her lives. And I went and watched one of her live videos. She was talking about human design, and I was just… Honestly, I think I tuned out after about 20-30 minutes, and was like, I've no idea what you're talking about.
Stacey Bower:No idea.
Amber Cherelle:And yet, at the same time, there was something about Shari's presence, I absolutely love her, she's such a beautiful soul, whilst I didn't resonate with anything she was talking about at all. Not even for a minute, I couldn't wrap my head around a single word she said. may have something to do with the fact that I jumped in about 10 minutes after she started, so I didn't really know what she was talking about, and then was so confused that I was like, I'll just… not for me, a world of other things, but Shari herself, her presence, her magnetism was… I'm out of this world, and I continue just to follow her, talk to her, interact with her, and… the more… the longer I followed her, obviously, the more snippets I got of this human design stuff, and eventually downloaded my own chart, and was like, no, I… get a little bit of what this means based on what she's written here. Like, curious. Now I'm just curious, because I don't get it.
Stacey Bower:Yeah.
Amber Cherelle:And it's a bit like going back to, actually, that experience of reading. I've got to go back again. I don't really understand it, I've got to go back again to get more. And then I had a… I don't know if I had a reading with Shari first, I can't remember. We did something together. I purchased something from her, and went through this one-to-one call with her, and she was tapping me into my design and facets of my design, and it was that moment where I just went. Holy crap. All of the parts of myself that I disliked. How sensitive I am in my relationships. This was one of the biggest things, so I'm a foreline. My entire business is built on relationships. The quality of the people that I know and connect with, and the relationship we have, is so much more important to me than the quantity. So people were… when I came… I started my business… first business in 2014. I took a break after my divorce, and then I re… reopened a new business. in 2020. So, yeah, 2020, end of 2020. And, … Where was I going? How did I get into human design? This was it. God, what trail.
Stacey Bower:So, you were saying you'd had a reading. I had a… so, yeah, you….
Amber Cherelle:came into my business in 2020, and at the time, obviously, we then went through the COVID period, and then there was lots of online businesses booming out of nowhere, and so the whole industry was changing quite rapidly at a really quick pace. And there was lots of talk at that time, and as I was restarting my business of growing a large social media audience, making sure that you've got thousands of people following you, and the more views you've got, the more successful you're gonna be, and the more engagement you get, the more successful you're gonna be. And so there was a lot of pressure on creating this epic content that catches people's eyes, and I'm not… a visual per… I like to look at pretty things. I'm not a creator of pretty things, that's not who I am, it's not what I do, and I never have been. My brother's the artist, like, he's amazing. He did all of my branding, by the way, hats off to him.
Stacey Bower:Aww.
Amber Cherelle:I'm just… it's just not me. I don't know how to do that. But I thought I needed to, and I thought I had to be. So here's me chasing thousands of… trying to get thousands of people to like me. And… learning… that I'm a foreline, and why that's never really worked for me, because most of my sales come through people that I know, they come through word of mouth. Most of my opportunities and connections and things like this podcast come because Knows me and hasn't had an experience with me, refers me out elsewhere. And so… That's it. there was this mind-blowing moment of, like, all of this stuff that I'm doing, and I gave a talk about this yesterday. 80% of what I was doing in my business wasn't generating results. It was keeping me busy. It was keeping me exhausted, burnt out. It was frustrating. So frustrating. And the 20% that was generating income into my business was getting very little attention, which was my relationships, and my networking, and my podcasting, and the talking, and it wasn't getting as much attention because I was busy doing all of this social media stuff.
Stacey Bower:doof.
Amber Cherelle:And when I realized that. it's not that I stopped doing social media, I started doing social media in my way. I stopped trying to chase leads and likes, I didn't… I no longer care how many people engage on a post or comment. Like, I'm there just to serve my existing audience, the people who already know me, and give them what they need, and give them what's gonna help them and support them. And it just changed. Everything started to come from that heart. Four line is the opportunist. It is deeply connected to our heart chakra. It is deeply connected to… to the essence of love, service. And… authenticity in our connections and our relationships. And so, my social media became more about that, that connection, than it did about showing off, chasing people, creating pretty things. It's just me. It's just me. Showing up as I am. And then… It just took so much pressure off. I don't spend a lot of time on social media. anymore. And that 20% that was actually driving revenue in my business is where I was able to pour my energy, my time, and attention, and amplify that. And so, just as an example, yesterday I went to a networking event. There were just over 40 tickets sold. I was doing a talk on human design, and I got home. And one of the things that I asked people to do was fill out their birth information and get their human design chart, which is part of one of my funnel sequences into my business. And… There were 66 people. Sorry, there were 40-odd people at the event, and I got back and there were 66 people. But during those hours of that event. Had input their details to get their chart. I was like, this isn't mathing. This doesn't add up. There was this many people at the event, where did these other people come from? I'm gonna take it, loving it, and then I've had lots of conversations with people that I met yesterday, it's been really beautiful, and several of them have said, I've shared the link with my friend, I ran my husband's part as well, I shared it with this person, I've already shared it with my group and my network, and I was like, oh, that's where the other 66 people come from.
Stacey Bower:Chris, yeah.
Amber Cherelle:And so… not everybody is a foreline, and not everybody is going to either gain their opportunities or their business through word of mouth or referrals, and that's perfectly okay, but for me, that's where the gold is, that's where… and it's where I have the most fun. It's where I'm in my element. So not only does business get to be profitable, which is great, but it also gets to feel really good. I get to have fun.
Stacey Bower:That's it.
Amber Cherelle:Like, he doesn't want that. He doesn't want that.
Stacey Bower:That's it, and then you never actually work a day, do you? You never actually work, because what you're doing is enjoyable, and you're, you know, it's what you're supposed to be doing.
Amber Cherelle:I mean, don't get me wrong, there are… there are still… So, I think when people get to their… start embodying their human design, and they have all of these gorgeous, sort of, expansions in their life. And then something happens, like… an event happens, you know, for example, we put my children back into school, and then my eldest really, like, has struggled with… he's got autism, so he's struggled emotionally with going in, and that took, like, a huge toll on me, because taking him into school every morning was, like. running a marathon. By the time I got home, I was like, I've got to start work, I've got client calls, I'm… Right? So life impacts our business as well. But… it can lead you to wondering, when those events happen, you can either come back to saying, just because something bad outside has happened, doesn't mean that I'm out of alignment with who I was designed to be. I think we have this idea, or this vision, that there is a way to get beyond the human experience, which is an experience of contrast. we are not designed to have these glorious lives that nothing ever goes wrong, and it's always perfect, and everything's… just because I'm aligned with who I was designed to be, that the outside world is suddenly shifted and changed forever more, and….
Stacey Bower:Yeah, and that nothing bad ever happens, and that, you know, everything just from here on out just goes on swimming lane, it's all rainbows and butterflies, it just isn't.
Amber Cherelle:It isn't. And so people… and often people say something like, oh, I… let's talk about launching, because I'm here for business owners as well. So people launch a product, they were all in, it's fully aligned for them, they… they know that at the sole level, like, they've worked on that, and they're so excited about it, and then, for whatever reason. the launch didn't go as planned. They didn't quite get as many new people into their offer, product, or service as they thought they would. And they go, maybe it wasn't aligned after all. And they start to doubt themselves. The little voice of doubt creeps in, maybe I don't… Maybe… maybe I misread my body, maybe I didn't really understand that. And they start to go into this doubt phrase, and then maybe it wasn't… maybe I'm not aligned. Or maybe… Maybe. There is a part of you that wasn't quite ready to hold that expansion, or there was something that you needed to learn in this launch. And if we are honest with ourselves, is that fear and doubt speaking? Or is that your, like, strategy, and authority, your actual body wisdom? Is that mind telling you that, or is it actually your body wisdom telling you that? And if you check in with your body. What's true for you now? If you check in with your head, what's true for you now? Where is that coming from?
Stacey Bower:Yeah.
Amber Cherelle:And most people go back to their body and they're like, well, it still feels really exciting, it still feels really aligned, it still feels like the right thing, but my mind is telling me the results aren't showing it yet. And one of the things on this journey of embodiment is actually being able to trust that feeling in here versus your societal conditioning and your paradigm of condition, life conditioning. And to be able to, okay, I'm going to continue to move with the alignment, and I'm going to learn whatever I needed to learn on this part of the journey, and I'm gonna continue to trust that and ground in that. And we go again. Until it's no longer aligned for us. But not based on mind, based on body. And that's the hardest journey, is the journey of trust, because we think that there is some timeline. Like, it will happen by this point, and if it hasn't happened by this point, there must be something wrong. But the universe, energy is not working on your time… timeframes and your timescales. There is so much that….
Stacey Bower:on its own.
Amber Cherelle:It is! There is an… it's working with us, and independently of ours, and with us, and independently of us, all at the same time. It's never this this and that, right? It's this and that. This and that, both at the same time. And divide… like, so for me, I am a defined root center. One of the things that I'm very well known for by my clients is grounding them when they're all up in the air, because I have this belief, this solid belief. That everything that my soul desires is meant for me. It is meant for me. There is only trust. And in my gates of my root center. One of my gates. is this beautiful gate of what we call imagination, anticipation. It's the being able to see that Imagine that future reality, the quantum realm, the other timeline that we want to be on. And rather than being in the, this isn't happening, it's not here yet, in the contrasting experience, being able to be in the delicious anticipation. You know when you place an order, like, you go to Amazon, you order, you put loads of stuff in your cart, you press the checkout button, and it says the delivery's coming on this date, you know it's coming. So you don't keep checking back with Amazon, you don't keep making sure, you don't keep questioning, or maybe it won't arrive on time, or what if it's not going to get here? You know, you just know it's coming, and you get excited about it, and if it's something you really want, you get really excited about it, and you're like, when's it coming? When's it coming? I know it's coming, I can't wait. There's no doubt in your mind it's coming to you at some point, it's just when.
Stacey Bower:It's just gonna get there when it gets there.
Amber Cherelle:It's gonna get there when it gets there, and it's on its way to you, and that's kind of what I think the alignment journey when it comes to manifestation and bringing things into reality is kind of like. It's like, it's coming. You know it's coming. It's yours, it's already ordered, it's on its way. Can you… be in the trust zone. And it's gonna be this. as you imagined it, or something even better. And you cannot foretell what that something even better may be for you. I didn't imagine back in 2019, that after 7 years of marriage, I discover that all of these horrible things about my marriage, and discover all of the things that I did that led to me getting separated and divorced and then leaving my home and my community. I couldn't have imagined, and even when I was in that, no way on earth could I see how this could possibly be good for me.
Stacey Bower:Yeah.
Amber Cherelle:Like. There was nothing at that time in my… this is the most horrendous thing that's ever happened to me in my lifetime. It's also, in hindsight.
Stacey Bower:It's the best thing that's ever happened.
Amber Cherelle:It's ever happened to me. So, I… again, I've gone on a rabbit trail, so I'll pull back, Stacey, but….
Stacey Bower:Right, I'm right enjoying it, mate. I could just be here with my cup of tea, bring me a sandwich, it's all good. Now… Can I just ask, though, right? So, when I went to have… we had, Penny Deeks on, fantastic astrology, lady, and she did my, moon chart and what have you. Now, I don't know what time I were born.
Amber Cherelle:Okay.
Stacey Bower:Yeah. So, is that, like, a massive thing? Some people don't know. Both my parents have passed. They don't tell me my birth certificate. How do I find out?
Amber Cherelle:Yeah, loads of people asked this, and this is a big thing yesterday, we had quite a few of these. So… Yes, it matters. I'd love to be able to stand here and say, no, we can just pick a time… we can go with midday, it'll be fine, but it won't. So… and I say that loosely, in any given 24-hour period, at least… at least 3 gates will change. on a human design chart. I'm wondering if… Are you okay? I know people won't see this on Spotify, but just so that I can explain something to you, are you okay if I share my screen?
Stacey Bower:Yeah.
Amber Cherelle:Yeah, let me just… I'll share this.
Stacey Bower:What do I need to do all? Because I'm not technology, I'm not the techno.
Amber Cherelle:Let me see if….
Stacey Bower:Taxing autonomy gets, you know.
Amber Cherelle:I'll see if I've got access, it might ask you to grant access. Can you see that?
Stacey Bower:Yep.
Amber Cherelle:Oh, there we go.….
Stacey Bower:Yeah, now, let me just tell you this. Because you've brought there, obviously for everybody that can't see, you've brought there the chart. Now, strangely enough, I have done this chart.
Amber Cherelle:Yes.
Stacey Bower:Now, that was going to lead me on to my next question, as in… we'll go back to time in a minute, but… Do you… can you look at somebody, or spend some time with somebody and go, do you know what, I feel like she might be this, she might be other… do you do that?
Amber Cherelle:Yes, a lot of the time, and sometimes I get it wrong.
Stacey Bower:Yeah. So, it's not like….
Amber Cherelle:there are… there are… there are traits and characteristics and energies that I pick up now. I'm like, oh, manager, it's got to be a manager, and it's got to be a projector, and sometimes I can be incorrect, because obviously I'm human, and I can be incorrect, that's a given, but also, for example, you could have… a… I'll give an example. A projector. They're designed to wait for the invitation. They do not have access to the sacral center, which is this consistent, sustainable energy. They tend to need a lot more rest. You can have a projector that is actually very bubbly, very active, seems to be on the go all the time, is always creating things, and you're like, ugh, the sacral. You've got to be a… you've got to be a generator or a manager, like, all of this creativity, all of this passion, all of this activity. And so I'm feeling… I'm feeling generator vibes, and there could be a couple of reasons for that. First of all, they could be operating from the not-self, from their conditioning versus who they're designed to be. So they're actually pushing themselves to be more active, they're pushing themselves to be more creative, when ultimately, that's… not the best for them. And you'll tend to be able to see that in people, because although they will be active, and they will be keep going, and keep going, creating, and then they'll have these massive crashes and burns, and you won't see them for 3-4 weeks, because they're in burnout mode, and they can't socialise anymore, and they've got nothing left to give, and then they come back out, and they're, as if they always were, back into their zone of doing again. However.
Stacey Bower:So, tell me again, Sonic, what was that one you were just saying, and which… which….
Amber Cherelle:project.
Stacey Bower:That's a projector.
Amber Cherelle:Yes.
Stacey Bower:I'm just looking at my chart as I'm speaking, because that sounds like me a little bit, but it's not in my finger.
Amber Cherelle:Cue me into your design. What design type are you, Stacey?
Stacey Bower:So, I've got here, right, so I've got type, I've got a generator. My strategy is to respond.
Amber Cherelle:Yeah.
Stacey Bower:My inner authority is sacral.
Amber Cherelle:Okay.
Stacey Bower:Definition is split definition.
Amber Cherelle:Can you tell me about your root center? Is it defi- is it coloured in, defined, or is it undefined? Not coloured in?
Stacey Bower:Oh, I don't know. It's not… there's no… there's no color to it.
Amber Cherelle:No color to it on the bottom.… Looks like it's defined, your route center, so you've got a defined route center. Okay, and the part that was… the part that was, … connecting with you, resonating with you, was the fact that, like, you'll go, go, go, go, and then burn out, was that correct?
Stacey Bower:And then my back goes, and then… I'm out.
Amber Cherelle:Yeah, okay, so… This is usually a result of… you have a defined root center, the root center is the pulse to action, as well as your grounding, it's like that pulse to go. Now, with a defined root center, we both are naturally going to be people that don't like to sit down very much. Not as in we don't like to do, but there's always something to do, there's always something to go, so even when we're sitting down, we're doing something. We don't manage to sit very long. And it's because we are literally… like, primed for action. We're primed, we're ready to go. And at the same time, as a generator, you're designed to decide where to put your energy based on that sacral response. So, your generative energy, the go, go, go, creation energy, I can do this, I can build that, you have the capacity, consistently, to be able to create, build, move, go, do. This is the generator's battery pack. And at the same time. That regenerative force will only be a regenerative force if it is being used correctly for the correct things. In other words, you're responding to what lights you up, you're waiting to respond, that's what the wait to respond is, so I'm waiting for the world to deliver something to me to respond to. You have that, hell yes! all in, full body has to be in it, right? It's not just a, hmm, that could be this. Like, my full body has to… That's when I know to move, to go in. Now, what most of us are experiencing is the pressure from the root center to do. And not knowing where to put it, so we do what is busy work for the sake of being busy. In other words, there's this podcast episode that needs recording, and then that needs editing, and then this has got to be done, and then that's got to be done, and then my friend asked me to do this, and my mum asked me to do that, and the dogs ask… the dogs need me to do this, and the… right? So it's all of the things that are expectations, the musts, the shoulds, we think have to get done, the to-do lists. We start putting our energy just… Anywhere and everywhere.
Stacey Bower:That is me all over this. That is just actually… I mean, I write a list, and I knock one thing off my list, and I have three to it, and then I have to go do something else.
Amber Cherelle:Yeah, bye. And this is not how we were designed. to move. We do have the energy to do lots. Generators in alignment will do especially with a defined router center, we'll… we will be active beings, active people. But it's so important that we are placing that energy at the right time, in the right place, on the right thing. Because if we are misusing that energy, essentially your auric field will start to decrease, and that's your energetic capacity. As soon as our auric field starts to contract. We start to feel that physically in our bodies as burnout, fatigue, exhaustion.
Stacey Bower:Mmm.
Amber Cherelle:Secondly, I feel like I'm giving you a bit of a reading here, but there is another thing that is unique to the generators, which is known as plateau. The generators, we're here for mastery of our specific field.
Stacey Bower:Yeah.
Amber Cherelle:even mastery. And so, as a generator, you are here to… you'll get to a certain peak of your mastery. You'll go all in on the thing that Sacrill said hell yes to. And you'll get that thing to a stage of completion. Now, that might be an energetic completion, or that might be actual project completion, but all of your energy has been used on that thing. It comes with satisfied. And then guess what we're doing? Waiting to respond for the next thing that gives us that spark, we can go all in it. Now, in that waiting period, it can feel like nothing's happening. It can feel like there's nowhere to go. We start to get a little bit frustrated, but we also start to flatline. Our energy flatlines because there's nothing that's activated sacral. The energy isn't there available to us to go. So, if we're in alignment, we wait. We enjoy life. We do the things that bring us some joy. We go for those walks, we move our body, we speak to some friends, we just… life. We live life and be fully present with it, because Sequel responds moment to moment. It doesn't talk to us in the past, it doesn't talk to us in the future, it's in the now. This is a yes for me now. And what's aligned for me now may not be aligned for me in four weeks' time, and that's perfectly okay. It's in the now. And so, we want to be involved in life as much as possible. Having fun. Not doing tasks. Having fun. And as we move through the world in that way, we'll have more things to respond to, and you'll have your next response, and you go all in. Now, sometimes we reach this plateau, and that plateau is the plateau of mastery. This is integration time. It's where we're not here to do anything, we're not here to build anything else, or to create anything else. It's literally time for us to B with what it is that we've created so far, what it is we've learned so far in that creation process, and just to integrate it. And so it can feel sometimes a little bit like a cycle of depression, or a little bit of cycle of burnout, but the difference is it usually comes with this very, like. flat. I've got no interest in anything. All of the things that lit me up don't light me up anymore. Nothing I used to enjoy doing is enjoyable for me now. And people try to fight it. Try to fight it. So you give yourself, I've got to get up, I've got to do this, I've got to go, I can't be this person. And the longer you fight it for, the more your auric field contracts for, the more exhausted you get until your body literally says, well, tough. Here's a cold. He's….
Stacey Bower:No. I can't tell you how much that is me all over. I can't even… I can't even start to, like… I'm sat here going, well, that's you. I do this where… I do… you know, if you… if you're not… not that… not if you're not working, but I'm very work-oriented, so I like to achieve, I like to know that I've got this done, that's done, the other's done, it's all… it's all… or I'm working towards something. Yeah. And that… when I sit with Spirit, and whenever I have readings, or at my development groups, whenever anybody gives me any sort of reading, Spirit will say to me just about every time, you need to pull back a bit and just rest. And you need to live in this present moment. Well, I'm like, yeah, but I'm here, I'm here, so I'm living in it, so what we're gonna do next? And it's not. And that is one of the biggest things that is a… A thing in my life that… Just be here, and now. But I'm always looking for… Yeah, but do you know what I'm not doing out here? I could be. researching that, I could be seeing that, I could be putting that in place. And I fry myself with it. I do it myself, I do it to myself.
Amber Cherelle:Yeah. And so, a lot of people then say, well, what do I do about that? Because I can see it.
Stacey Bower:Yeah.
Amber Cherelle:And this is where the answer that I give, most people don't like. Well, most people didn't want to hear, they want some… the magic pill. We want the… the thing that's just going to make the… the switch go. There isn't one.
Stacey Bower:Instead, stop doing it.
Amber Cherelle:With your awareness, And it's… it's the repetition. With your awareness comes intentional action. I'm going to start to notice every time I'm pushing without actually pushing from response, every time I'm going without going from response, and I'm going to notice it, I'm gonna acknowledge it, and then I'm gonna course… I'm gonna redirect. No one's in alignment all of the time, I don't know if it's even humanly possible, but it is possible for us to course direct. And so, notice it. Just be aware of it, bring awareness to it first. Now I'm gonna intentionally… do I want to continue going this way, knowing the result that it brings me? Yes or no? Do I want to continue going this way, knowing the result it brings me, yes or no? It's a choice. It's all a choice. This is where you get your sovereignty back, when you realize it's your choice. No, I don't want to continue going this way, knowing where it gets me. Okay. So what are we gonna do instead? Stop.
Stacey Bower:Mmm.
Amber Cherelle:Yesterday, I did it… I did it… I was in the kitchen, and it'd been a long day. I'd been networking in the morning, then I decided to pick the children up and take them to the park for a few hours. We met my mom, I came home, there was a cook-off with a membership that I'm a part of that I was going to go and join in, and I sat down in the kitchen just before I was about to cook dinner for the children, and I was like, I've got to wash up. Oof. I'm gonna wash up, I don't want to eat. And I'm tired, and I'm exhausted, but children need to be fed, everyone needs to be fed, every, like, we need… this has to be done. Does it have to be done? right now? Like, I've just walked in the house. I haven't even had a cup of coffee, I've not had a drink, I've not sat down for 5 minutes, does it have to be right now? No.
Stacey Bower:Am I gonna feel exhausted if I don't just rest?
Amber Cherelle:Yes? So I sat down, and I grabbed my cup of coffee, and I sat there, and I said to the children, we'll do dinner, just not yet.
Stacey Bower:I get it, I get that, totally.
Amber Cherelle:And I waited. unawaited? And I was like, actually, this is getting really late now, I should go. No, because that's time pressure. That's time pressure. And I waited. I think the cat meowed for food, or something, and I got up for the cat, and then I was like, okay, kitchen! Let's do the kitchen, and I was there, and I was in it, and I was happy, and I was vibing, and I've got some music on whilst I cook, and I'm in the… I'm in my zone. I don't think we… I think we don't trust that things will get done if we wait to respond.
Stacey Bower:Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Amber Cherelle:So, I just want to very quickly, if it's okay with you, Stacey, go back to your time question.
Stacey Bower:Time, yes.
Amber Cherelle:Lots of people have.
Stacey Bower:Yes.
Amber Cherelle:Nope. So… It is important, there will be changes throughout a 24-hour period. Now, why I brought up the chart was, let's just say, for example, in… if I chose a different time of day for my birth chart, and gate 6 was the thing that became activated. Yep. That got activated. I would now suddenly have this complete channel from 59 to 6. Which would actually activate my sacral center. And that would make me an emotional authority instead of a sacral authority. This would change my entire decision-making process.
Stacey Bower:Okay.
Amber Cherelle:Or, what if it was gate 53 here? What if gate 53 was no longer activated? That would cut off this channel from root to sacral. And that would mean I wouldn't have a defined route center anymore. And that would change nuances. Or, gate 42. Let's say gate 42 was deactivated, it wasn't activated.
Stacey Bower:That would mean I wasn't a sacral being anymore, I wouldn't be a generator anymore.
Amber Cherelle:My entire design type would change.
Stacey Bower:guy.
Amber Cherelle:Change within a 2-hour-ish window.
Stacey Bower:Two hours, that's specific, innit?
Amber Cherelle:and within that window somewhere, so, like, it could change within that. So it is very… the time is very important. So, if you do not know your birth time, the first thing, you can ask as many people that know you as possible, that would have known you as a babe, would have known your family, get as close as you possibly can.
Stacey Bower:Yeah.
Amber Cherelle:You can give us, like, we know it was morning between this time and that time. Then we can run a few charts in between that time… those times, look at the differences.
Stacey Bower:Yeah, see which is more representative of you.
Amber Cherelle:Yeah. If you're like, I can't get anywhere near, I don't have… I don't have a clue whether it's AM, PM, I know absolutely nothing, then again, at the same time, what we can do is we can run 13 different charts, minimum. There's a lot of… charts to go through, and we start to eliminate them one by one. Again, this isn't going to be… Necessarily the most accurate way. Because….
Stacey Bower:We're dealing with you telling us stories and answering questions based on….
Amber Cherelle:Your perspective of your life.
Stacey Bower:Yeah.
Amber Cherelle:And you'll see that on this side of your chart, all of these energies on this side of your chart, your design… design side of your chart. a largely unconscious, it's often referred to as the unconscious side of your chart. It's where you might hear something in here about this energy, you go, I don't really resonate with that, I don't really feel that. And then you ask a family member, and they go, oh my gosh, Stacey, do you remember when you did….
Stacey Bower:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Amber Cherelle:Oh, yeah, sorry, yeah, that is me. Mira Khan. So, we can have that experience as well. So that process, although it will help us to get closer. And if the changes are small enough. Until you start going deeper and deeper into your design, probably won't matter that much. In terms of your embodiment.
Stacey Bower:I didn't….
Amber Cherelle:And we still have to always have that awareness of, It… it could not be.
Stacey Bower:Yeah.
Amber Cherelle:And at the same time, there are other things you can do, so you can… contact the registry office. They should have access to your birth time. If the registry office doesn't. Then you will contact the, hospital that you were born at, and you can request your medical records.
Stacey Bower:Will it be on your medical records? Well, of course it will, yeah, of course it will. You can't do it from doctors, though, you have to do it to your hospital, do you?
Amber Cherelle:I think you have to do it from your hospital, and it has to… it can't be like, you know, the hospital in your local area. It literally has to be the hospital that you were born at.
Stacey Bower:You were born, yeah.
Amber Cherelle:Although our medical records are… now digitized and all of those things. Yeah. Depending on how far back that was. I don't… I don't personally know how much information it will have of your previous records, I have no idea. But I do know that if you contact the hospital that you were born at, you can request it.
Stacey Bower:You know what, I'm gonna deal with that. I'm gonna do it, and I'm gonna see… I wanna see if I can get it.
Amber Cherelle:Yeah, do it, do it.
Stacey Bower:I want my right one of this, and I want my right, … Because, mate, right, moon chat. Now, according to this, then, according to the one that I did, obviously not knowing the exact time I were born.
Amber Cherelle:Yes.
Stacey Bower:Basically… Basically. I then, my actual design date, so the months beforehand, was the 3rd of October.
Amber Cherelle:Hmm… interesting.
Stacey Bower:Well, October and December are, like, my favouritest times of the year, so that'll make sense, won't it?
Amber Cherelle:Yeah. Yeah, it would.
Stacey Bower:Oh, I love it. I love this. I've got my chas and my gates and everything here.
Amber Cherelle:And we have to remember.
Stacey Bower:Come on!
Amber Cherelle:Just, just on that note as well, because we're moving through, so… you are who you are, and at the same time, the planets are consistently moving around us as well. So every single day, you can actually have a look at the current planetary alignment, and you can have a look at what's being activated. So, just talking about October, for example, there may be also a specific day in October, it won't be date, it'll be a specific day in October, where you just have this really great day, or you have this certain energy that you love, or there's this certain vibe that you get during that period of time, and the chances are there may also be an activation present that maybe completes a certain channel, because where we have… you see your channels that have got, like, half a channel, so they're not complete channels all the way through. This is what's known as a hanging gate. And the hanging gate is seeking the energy of the other side, it's seeking that which it does not yet have access to. It's trying to reach the other side, the other center. So when we move through a transit, and you've got your hanging gate… trying to, like, depict this… your hanging gate going to here. And then this gate over here is now activated by that transit. You've now, for this period of time, whilst that's activated, got access to this full channel. And so you have this different energy that runs through, and it feels really good, and so… and that's gonna happen around the same time… ish. Each year.
Stacey Bower:Yeah.
Amber Cherelle:cycle. So that's also really fun to pay attention to over the years, but of course, that's a longer game. That's something that you're going to get awareness over a longer period of time.
Stacey Bower:How exciting. So, Amber, if anybody says, do you know what, I want to get in touch with Amber, I want to look at my human design, I want to use her for coaching, or what have you, how do they get in touch with you?
Amber Cherelle:Best thing for you to do is to email me at info at ambershirell.com, and you can ask for whatever it is you want to receive, and I will point you in the right direction, or you can just pop over to the website. which I'm sure I can give Stacey the link, and we can pop that below the video. But head over to the website, everything I do is on the website, so if you're a reader and you like to digest before you make decisions. please pop over there and have a read. And you can follow me on my socials, so I'm on Facebook and Instagram, primarily, mostly, and I share everything that I'm up to, what I've got available, what spaces I've got open, all of those things. on my Facebook and Instagram, and also lots of little tidbits and wisdom, so if you're looking for a little, like, what does it mean to be a generator kind of vibe, you'll find that all over there as well.
Stacey Bower:Oh, perfect. Oh, thank you so much for being on the down, but I've thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed myself.
Amber Cherelle:Thank you for having me, it's been fun. I have so many rabbit trails, but I love it, that's… it's the best. Thank you.
Stacey Bower:Thank you. Speak to you soon.
Amber Cherelle:Bye for now!
Stacey Bower:Bye.
