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My African Dad’s UNFILTERED Take on This Generation - Ep 10
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In this episode, my dad and I reflect on growing up in two very different worlds— his analog Gen X upbringing vs my digital Nigerian-American life.
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Hi guys, welcome back to the podcast. I'm your girl, chizzy, and we have another reoccurring guest. Okay, my father, papa Duru, most beloved by the world. By popular demand, he has come back, as he's wearing the same exact thing that he wore the last time we filmed. But today we are gonna be talking about just some interesting stuff. I feel like, you know, I have the amazing blessing to just be able to have conversations with you and you are, at this point, like almost ancient.
Speaker 2:Yes, Let me stop Thank God for that.
Speaker 1:You have been on this earth for over over 60 years, over 60 years, and you know you are a part of what generation. Are you a part of gen x?
Speaker 2:and my generation is the best generation ever. You want to know why why, good. What I experienced you will never have the opportunity to because you're just a product of this age. This dispensation, this but you see, I come from that analog.
Speaker 1:Analog.
Speaker 2:And I'm living digital. You got the best of both worlds, because you never know what analog is all about.
Speaker 1:Because she never know what analog is all about. You know, it's so interesting that you say that because I remember when Uncle was talking about how he was like courting and dating Auntie and he was saying that he would just wait at the subway station for her. They didn't have phones, so he just waited at the subway station for her whenever she would come out. Like that's so interesting, it is.
Speaker 2:Especially for those in America at least. You go to the subway station back home. Where do we go? You walked, we went for letters that would take four weeks to come, Letters, and then you can walk for miles. But it was beautiful. I can imagine, you know it was beautiful. That was when love was beautiful. I can imagine it was beautiful that was when love was love, because right now love in this digital age, everything has been juditized. But back in the analog it was real.
Speaker 1:It was real, yes. So you know, it's so funny that we just kind of jumped into it because, basically, if you're just tuning in, let me give you a little bit of a synopsis of what you know. I kind of want us to talk about today. So you are a part of the baby boomer slash Gen X generation and I kind of just want to talk about like the differences right, like the differences right, Not only the generational differences, but you being an African man, a Nigerian man, an immigrant, and me being Nigerian American, so that first gen immigrant. It's an interesting dichotomy. So I just I don't know. Honestly, I kind of just wanted to talk about it today.
Speaker 1:One of the things that I've kind of been more privy to now is, like just the fact that all of us are living life for the first time. Essentially, I just feel like, as I'm entering this space right, this is the first time I'm here You're entering a different season of your life and you've never been there before. You know what I mean. So you immigrated from Nigeria when you were 19 years old to New York, started a new life, went to college, got your degree, became a social worker, entrepreneur, all those things, and you raised three kids with your wife and we've come up and now you're here, so you've experienced childhood and you said the analog days, so you were pre-internet, pre-technology, the stone age. So I want to like hear from you what it's like experiencing this season of your life.
Speaker 2:So we know a lot Because you combine analog and digital. It's this big. But you know, an immigrant coming from Nigeria here went to school here and married, have children. You know, sometimes I'm like if I was born and raised here, I don't know would I have known the things I know now?
Speaker 1:What do you feel like would have made a difference?
Speaker 2:Good See children born here. They see life right there. You know how long I stayed home. We never watched TV. We didn't own a TV back home.
Speaker 2:Not everybody watches TV yeah and I mean owning one and not watching it. But you don't have it. Okay, so it was a big time luxury then. But just watching things and how things have changed is amazing. Remember back when we came here you have to go to the phone booth to make phone calls and pay like 25 cents. Yeah, you have to pay 25. It was a way of life and we were having fun. So you move into a neighborhood. One of the things you first check is where is the telephone booth?
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, wait, you didn't have house phones.
Speaker 2:No, for how many years I was using my aunt's phone is. Where is the telephone booth? Oh, wow, wait, you didn't have house phones. No, for how many years I was using my aunt's phone? Wow, her house phone, and I used the rotary. Wow, that's great. Then, after that, the punch, and now it's all hair break loose. So you would look for where the nearest phone booth is at. Yeah, who are renting, then? It's one of their criteria. Oh, this is the address close to subway, close to that, and guess what close. There are two phone booths here and there. So so that if you want to make a call, you will just go down there. That's so funny, and for us you will look at the number on the payphone, right, so you give it to your girlfriend. So when it is time for her to call you, you will go to the station there and wait.
Speaker 1:You just have to wait.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh, and it was fun too, because you're waiting for your love to call you on the phone, and the phone will ring and you'll pick up. It's somebody else.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Because letters take two days within New York, wow. So if I want to visit my girlfriend next week, it's always the girlfriend. What am I visiting a man for? So to visit my girlfriend. I will write her that I will be coming in 48 hours. It's not funny, it was fun, it's beautiful no, that's actually so great, it's beautiful.
Speaker 1:It's honestly a lost art.
Speaker 2:We have really lost that and then she will get the letter and then she'll be waiting. Oh, imagine the whole anxiety of you writing and she waiting and you also waiting to go. It's all beautiful, it's not like. Now it's come on. Hey, how are you that love is not packed, the one we experienced was packed.
Speaker 1:Speaking of love, I want to know what you think about dating culture in this day and age.
Speaker 2:Well, right now, I don't know what dating is all about right now, because so many things surrounding dating your call quick, your email quick, your text, everything is quick, quick, quick. So dating is missing an ingredient, and what's that ingredient? Expectation. Ooh, you know, longing.
Speaker 2:You know, Thank you, the longing, Interesting the longing. You know my girlfriend is coming today, but here, oh, I'm down the block. You know the longing. The juice is missing. It's like, oh, I'm here, Are you upstairs, I'm coming. It's so instant, you know. It eliminates the real thing that connects that emotional expectation, that longing, that quest. But here it's like you can even cancel an appointment. Oh, I'm not coming. It's so quick. If you write somebody, somebody knows that you're coming next week. There's no reason to cancel. You can't cancel. How are you going to cancel? You don't even want to cancel. But life was fun then. Right now you have the GPS. Back then, when we were going to a place, everybody will go to MapQuest, download the directions, Print it out and then tell everybody.
Speaker 1:How to get to where. How to get to your house, yes.
Speaker 2:What? Yes, yes. And then what year was this? If you, I mean back in the night, I came in here in 83. So throughout 1983, into the 90s, what yes? Oh my gosh, that wasn't that long ago, and sometimes you just go, you stop by any gas station, ask direction and they continue.
Speaker 1:And then we still had fun, you see, and I feel like this is honestly how you even cultivate intimacy with the Holy Spirit, Because you just have to trust. Yes, you know it's funny because sometimes I'll be driving and you know I'm so used to my phone right and doing GPS on my phone. So sometimes I'm like you know what, I'm not going to use my phone, I'm just going to ask God for directions.
Speaker 2:And I realize I know, you go blindly.
Speaker 1:And I'm like, wow, I don't know where I am and what I'm doing. That's so interesting, very, very interesting.
Speaker 2:Because right now, if I'm driving, we're using a GPS. I begin to wonder how the heck were we doing it then?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you adapt to new situations. I remember, yeah, when we were growing up, we would print off the MapQuest and then use that as directions. Yes, that's so interesting.
Speaker 2:It is very, very, very interesting and it made life worth living. It was good.
Speaker 1:To your point, like that is actually a missing ingredient that we're missing in this day and age. Social media has made it and the internet has made it, where, like, we're so connected all the time. But it also creates a false sense of intimacy and it's like I don't actually know you, I don't actually know you and also we're so connected. There's none of that longing and expectation.
Speaker 2:The good thing about now is it exposes. It's like an open world. You can meet a woman or a man on the internet, blah, blah blah. But for us it was within what we know, within our geography. You know what I'm saying Now for you who is not married yet? Now you see men on Facebook. You see men everywhere.
Speaker 1:I love how his point of reference for social media is Facebook. That tells you what generation you're from. But anyway, continue. Well, you know.
Speaker 2:It's no shade, no shade. So it's an advantage, but the disadvantage is because, you see, there's always the chance of not taking a decision Exactly Because you don't want to. This one has a whole lot to say and has a physique that you like, maybe the things he's saying, the things he's doing, this one, this one, this one but by the time you go through you can't even make up your mind Exactly, because everybody is coming with different deficiencies. There's too many options, there's too many, but for us you just work with what you get Right and sometimes it comes out better.
Speaker 1:Exactly Wait. So do you think, in this day and age, we should bring back arranged marriages?
Speaker 2:Well, talking about arranged marriages, right.
Speaker 1:If you look at it, every marriage is arranged.
Speaker 2:Expand why, if you come to a party right and you meet someone, okay, that person is there because either they were invited or the people are there, the ones doing the party yeah.
Speaker 2:So there you see the person right. At least that was the reason why you guys saw there. So people you know of common interest got there Either through by invitation, by all means there. So then you meet right. When you meet that person, somebody knows that person. You're going to ask questions and stuff like that. From asking questions. The questions will lead either to recommending or not to recommend you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Is that essentially what you're saying?
Speaker 2:That's essentially what arranged marriages are Well if somebody's telling you oh, don't go there, oh, go there. That's the beginning of an arrangement.
Speaker 1:Yes, I agree, but I'm talking about the more traditional idea of an arrangement when the parents will get involved.
Speaker 2:Get the man, get the woman and match them up. Yes, that's one of the reasons why children of this generation, your generation, you guys frown at that because you believe it's my life. Let me make my choice, which is all good and well. There's nothing wrong with that. Nobody's going to force you to do what you don't want to do. But there's always a beginning of an introduction. There is nothing wrong, or a cake Of an introduction. There is nothing wrong or archaic, Because the way you guys put it, arranged marriage is like it's such a primitive. Don't make it primitive. Somebody has to recommend you to somebody and then it is up to you now to make that decision.
Speaker 1:So I don't see anything primitive about arranged marriages. I actually don't think arranged marriages are bad. It's funny because me and my friends kind of joke about it. We're just like you know what we're at the point where arranged us. I feel like our parents actually should get more involved and you know we're Nigerian, right, but there's obviously other cultures that are listening and I don't know if arranged marriages, or just even like the concept of parents becoming involved in their children coming together and through marriage, is as normalized and I honestly think there's nothing really wrong with it. I think the issue is when it becomes like an ultimatum and like a must you know what I mean and instead of a choice and like a luxury kind of thing. So just to be clear, you don't feel like we should be arranging to the point of like forcing people to marry certain people.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing is that right now, in this generation, you can't even force anyone To do anything. You can't force anyone to do anything. Yeah, Back then it was, you know, maybe parents who were like like my parents who would be on you. Yeah, Parents who like like my parents who would be on you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you tried it, though you low-key tried it with me.
Speaker 2:No, but you see, but just hear this, Just hear this. You know when parents get involved and try to be telling you, telling you there is something parents know that you don't know. But down the line you will get to know, and when you do know, then you will understand why the parents were pushing. You know what I'm saying. You see, the thing is, this thing called marriage is a long journey. There is no stethoscope to see what's going to happen after you have tied the knot. Nobody knows. That's true. Let me use you for an instance. Use me A man, a prospective man, who wants to marry you.
Speaker 1:Lucky man.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, and you bring the person to the house and your parents engage him. You know you happen to come from a home where your parents will get involved. Talk to the man? Of course I would like to. When the man is talking, I'm using 60 years of experience and watching him Because I'm a man. I know when I want to lie to a woman, I know, but the woman wouldn't know. But guess what? Another man who knows, who's been there, will point out or will be able to pick up red flags. That's due to love and whatever that we never discover. But somebody else your dad or your father can pick up a red flag and, depending on your relationship with your parents, the parents will tell you listen, something like this I see a sign there.
Speaker 1:You know what about? Because I want to you know. Try and think about every type of listener. You know just every type of person that's listening right now. What about people that maybe don't have their parents in their lives or don't have a strong relationship with their parents? What would you say for them when it comes to them trying to get into a relationship or marriage?
Speaker 2:In a situation like that, you can only help what you can help, but that is always thing. Wisdom and listening to parents, though, Are you talking about?
Speaker 1:like any parent or?
Speaker 2:That's, you know, depending on your relationship with your parents. You know, some children don't have good relationships and they won't listen.
Speaker 1:Oh. So basically you're saying, like for kids that do have parents in their lives, but their relationship isn't that great. There's still wisdom in listening to some of the things. Basically you're saying like for kids that do have parents in their lives, but their relationship isn't that great. There's still wisdom in listening to some of the things that they're saying. It's kind of like the commandment of like honor your father and mother, even if maybe the relationship isn't that great.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 1:They still have a certain level of wisdom in certain things.
Speaker 2:Right, of course they do. They're parents and they've been alive longer than me, and, except in some rare cases, I don't see any parent that will wish their children bad.
Speaker 1:Some do.
Speaker 2:I've said, except in rare cases. I don't know if it's that rare and there has to be a reason behind such. There's always an underlying fact there that leads to there. You know some homes, you know. You know your brother. One day, sorry, he came in with his friend and the friend looked at the fridge and saw the picture of your mom and myself there when we were young, and he looked at it. He was not. He told him you're lucky, your parents are still together. You know to such a child, you see, the pain is going through because your parents are still together. You know to such a child, you see, the pain is going through yeah because the parents are not together well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I'm, I'm also want to like even though we're having this conversation right, I'm just keeping that person right, that child in mind that maybe doesn't have that yeah, um, traditional home or background. Let me give advice real quick. I feel like, even if you don't necessarily have traditional parents, you want to have some type of wisdom or elder in your life, definitely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that can be a part yes, and you as a parent, even though you and your child is not getting along you and your child is not getting along, yeah, there's no reason not to talk to him or her about what you feel is right as a parent. Even if you guys are not getting along, you still owe it to that child to tell the child what you think is good and let the child make that decision.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, I see you know, instead of like not saying anything, oh okay, I see you know, instead of like not saying anything yeah, not saying anything because I don't think, as a parent, you just have to do it, you just have to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got it. The truth hurts sometimes. Yeah, just like when you tell me that I've been gaining a lot of weight.
Speaker 2:Well, you took care of that, so I kept my mouth quiet.
Speaker 1:LOL, yeah, I mean, I agree, I think, getting your parents involved or just like loved ones, that you know I'm going to caveat by saying that you can kind of discern have good intentions for you, getting them involved and getting like a second set of eyes on a potential partner is pretty important yeah, because most people that like maybe, like you know, get married and end up in divorce or something like.
Speaker 2:A lot of times the people around them told them we don't like them because that's the reason they see it, even though some people might see a good reason and get jealous for you not to go in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So you got to be careful who you're listening to.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. You got to be discerning. Right, you got to be discerning.
Speaker 2:That's why listening to parents doesn't hurt.
Speaker 1:No, sometimes there are some people, their mothers are jealous of their daughters.
Speaker 2:You know what? It is true. I know of a family, the, the mother came and got pregnant for the birth. The son-in-law wait, yeah, wait, I'm not kidding. And she was so bored to tell that daughter. I'm just trying to keep your husband close to you because he would have gone outside to meet other women, so her him sleeping with me is better. You know, this mental illness is real, wait. So yes, it does happen, it happens. So you got to be careful when you listen. Oh yeah, not to say it happens.
Speaker 1:No, because the way you just threw that in.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What have you? You have really seen some things.
Speaker 2:It's like I'm not in my 60s for nothing. I went through a process to get here, that's true, yeah.
Speaker 1:You do have to be discerning about who you're listening to, and sometimes the truth is people closest to you, sometimes your parents could really not have good intentions.
Speaker 2:I agree, I agree to that.
Speaker 1:But if you are discerning that you know your parents generally have good intentions for you and want the best for you, you should honor some of the wisdom that they're giving you Exactly.
Speaker 2:Just think about what they tell you and you know, throw on it. Yeah, and you know.
Speaker 1:Well, I feel like from my point of view, you know, as a new adult, that is, in this season when it comes to marriage and dating and settling down and just like life decisions We'll talk about dating in a second dating and marriage but, like, even when it comes to career, deciding against medical school right and entering this space Like that was me essentially going against your.
Speaker 2:I mean, at least we talked about it, we fought Didn't we talk about it? It was more like I told you and you were upset and I just did what I did and I'm happy you made your choice and you made a good choice and it's working so oh, we're gonna put a pin in that, we're gonna come back to that, but I feel like we should finish what we're talking about when it comes to marriage real quick.
Speaker 1:But let's, let me write that down so I don't forget, because one thing about me I'm gonna forget that. But yeah, like it's, it's interesting because obviously you give me a lot of advice and wisdom when it comes to just like being a woman. He loves to say a woman is a flower and you know, at a certain point a flower blooms and she's ripe, and before that then the flower fizzles, right, but it's as simple as that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a woman is like a flower. Flower grows and blossoms. It's beautiful. It's beautiful A lot of rain and sunshine. You see butterflies, all different things coming, because the beauty, the nectar and everything, but at the point the flower will wither.
Speaker 1:That's what it is, wither.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean obviously yes, that is biology, that is nature.
Speaker 2:And it's a serious fact. It's a thing for every young growing child to be cognizant of. Okay, because I know women and I have seen lots of women. They will think they will remain like that Forever, forever, pretty young and yeah, and it's stuck with them and before you know it, they end up not having a child and not getting married. You know what I'm saying? These two things, they're very, very important. Even if you don't want to marry, at least have a child.
Speaker 1:What Wait? You see, these are the things I'm talking about, Like, what do you mean? At least have a child. What if a woman doesn't want to have a child?
Speaker 2:That's a decision, okay, but later on down the line, somewhere down the line, if you just decided not to have a child just because you don't want to, versus I'm not able to, no If you are able to have a child have.
Speaker 1:What no see this?
Speaker 2:is where, if you're able, we're talking about marriage. But if you're able to have a child, why wouldn't you? Because, some people don't want children, daddy. Okay, that's their decision, that decision. Somewhere down the line that decision, they will revisit it and would say if I had none?
Speaker 1:you know, it's interesting that we're this is. This is why I wanted to have this conversation, because I think it's important to show, just like, the differences in mindsets between people in general, and then also generational differences too, because I already know there are going to be some people that aren't listening and it's just like what do you mean? Like it's my body, it's my choice, like um and I. I'm personally of that thinking too, where I feel like, yes, maybe somebody may regret their decision down the line, but at the end of the day, a woman should be able to decide if they want to have children or not, and not have kids even if they can.
Speaker 2:Not everybody is meant to have kids. There's a big thing here this generation, this generation. You see the thing, you know the problem I have, listen, he's finna. Go off Using this generation as an excuse to nonsense, because there are things that are just pure nonsense.
Speaker 1:You calling this nonsense.
Speaker 2:Yes, With no apologies. Yeah to anyone.
Speaker 1:You know what? Yes, I'm going to stop you right there, not because I'm against what you're saying, but I'm going to save you from the internet, because this generation.
Speaker 2:Listen, hear me and understand me. I have a problem with using this generation as an excuse. There are things that are just real. You just can't change it. Yes, a woman can decide not to have a child. She has that right.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And, of course, this generation has so much emphasis on that right. It's my right, my right is my right, is my right. It's a new generational thing From back in analog yes, it's my right, but this my right. Is it going to hurt me Using my right in this generation, and I have the right to do this? Of course, yes, but this my right and this decision I have taken, is it going to hurt me because tomorrow will come? See, this generation is so much into?
Speaker 1:now, now, and not thinking about tomorrow, you know. To that point, though, I will say that is something that I'm realizing now, as I'm kind of entering adulthood, and it's funny because growing up you would always say, like you know, one day you'll understand, one day you'll understand. So I think I've entered that one day.
Speaker 1:Good One day, you understand. So I think I've entered that one day, and at least when it comes to things like stability and career and finances I was actually talking about it in a previous episode where it's now that I'm starting to experience not only the good, the pros, but also some of the cons of the decisions that I made at 21 when I first decided to forfeit medical school and go into entrepreneurship full time. So it's like to your point basically, there will be a tomorrow, definitely, and there will be just consequences to your actions, whether they are good consequences or bad consequences, but there is going to be an effect to the cause, right? So, um, yeah, you do want to think long and hard about some of the decisions that you're making now, because you will, they're going to follow you. Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll give you this, I'll give you this, okay, okay, because there's a lot of things that I give him flack for and I don't.
Speaker 1:I'll say this I think in high school you used to tell me go, at least get your associates in nursing. Two years, you're done. You have your associates in nursing. Get your bachelors in nursing. You know that you always can be a nurse. I will say I should have listened to that, I mean.
Speaker 2:Yes, I mean in life. Yeah, that's life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just. It's a good backup to have. Obviously, I'm doing fine, nothing like I don't need it, but it's just.
Speaker 2:And even if you need it, you can always get it. That's the beauty about life. Yeah, even right now, with everything you have, if you still want it. And that's the beautiful thing about America. There is no place. I haven't lived in any other place anyway, except Nigeria and America, and that's the beauty thing about it. You want to go now, spend two years and pick up. You do it While you're still doing what you're doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That is the beauty about this place.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that is the beauty of life.
Speaker 1:You know, it's interesting because this is something that I didn't plan to talk about it, but I kind of want to talk about it for a little bit because there's some like I don't know if you've ever heard of like the concept of diaspora wars.
Speaker 2:Okay no. D diaspora wars Okay no.
Speaker 1:Diaspora wars, basically like. So, growing up as a first gen, right, we grew up where, like, I'm a part of a melting pot. So, even though my background and culture is Nigerian right, I'm also American right. And then I'm growing up in the inner city, so I'm around not only other first gen Africans but I'm also around Hispanics, I'm around white people, I'm around, you know, europeans and I'm also around like Caribbeans and Black Americans, right.
Speaker 1:So I feel like there kind of was this distinction growing up, you know, in, at least in the Nigerian and immigrant culture, education is such a big thing that's pushed Right, and you guys would always tell us like, oh, don't, don't, don't, don't, hang around those types of people or anybody that isn't really focused on their studies and their books, right. And I think one of the things that happened, just based off of stereotypes, is that, like, black Americans or even Caribbeans were kind of stereotyped as don't hang around them because they don't take their education seriously, right, or they don't take marriage seriously or things like that. You know what I mean. But unfortunately, that kind of that type of rhetoric, in the same way that Africans, at least for me, like, growing up we were, we were made fun of for being African. So now it's like later on in life there has to be.
Speaker 1:It creates some friction between different types of black people. Ok, yeah, essentially growing up Right, it creates this like othering that happens so, like I have. So I have friends from all over Black America and Caribbean and some of the things that they'll say is that we felt othered by other Africans because I guess they were told that we weren't serious or we don't take education as seriously. Do you feel like you ever stereotyped Black people that were not African, and was it? If so, was it based off of, like maybe, your experience as an immigrant coming up here?
Speaker 2:You know, when we came up here, we met a shock. You met a shock, I experienced a shock. Yeah, met a shock, I experienced a shock. And what was that? We saw many Black Americans not in school. Yeah, especially during that time we came, you would go out and you would see them hanging around and to us what we had in mind to come, we wouldn't see people hanging around in the street doing nothing.
Speaker 1:And when you say to us, you mean like an immigrant coming from Nigeria To immigrants coming from Nigeria.
Speaker 2:You know how people are dying to go to school.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because school is too expensive in Nigeria. So when we come here, you see that people, you go to primary school, you go to school, yeah, because school is so expensive In Nigeria, in Nigeria. So when we come here, you see that people, you go to primary school, you go to high school, you don't have to pay anything. It's free here in America.
Speaker 2:It's free here in America. So it was a shock to us to see some of you know African-Americans not in school. Yeah, it kind of bothered us. So did it make us to look down on them? I don't know, because I didn't actually look down on anyone. You know what I'm saying. But the idea of not being as educationally conscious as we were then was like a real shocking.
Speaker 1:So that's interesting because obviously African-Americans have their own history, you know, coming from slavery, and then you know segregation and all the things Right and just being oppressed, essentially in this land. So that's also a direct effect of slavery and segregation and oppression. So I'm actually wondering did you guys in Nigeria right? Did you learn about slavery in America? Did they teach you guys that?
Speaker 2:Now, when I came here, that was when I really knew about the effects of slavery. Back home we learned about slavery transatlantic, you know, the transatlantic slavery. We learned about slavery but what it actually did to people we didn't realize that there, wow, you probably will read them, blah, blah, blah. But coming here and seeing for yourselves what slavery was all about, that was also a shock. And that's why one of the reasons why you see some Africans, african-americans, not going to school not, it's the after effect of the operation and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:But now it is in this new era. You cannot use keep using that as an excuse. Now you can now build on that Go to school, come out a better person and, to be honest with you, one of the good things African-Americans have done, because I see the change, I see the real change, the growth. A lot more are now in school, doing a whole lot of good and doing a whole lot better. Sometimes I begin to think is it because of the influx of immigrants coming and they see, I don't know, but I see a real change in the life of African-Americans, big change. Back then it wasn't like that. It was a lot of school dropouts hanging around, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think that's one of the benefits of also social media, right, Because now you get to have mentorship and just like representation and see like other people doing things. So maybe, if you don't directly have that in your home and people to influence you to get a higher education and things like that, at least you see, you see it in the media. So you know, okay, let me try and do this. But yeah, to that point, I also feel like education is something where it kind of does start at the home.
Speaker 1:So if your family and your parents if they're not, if they're not big on education, the likelihood of you wanting to pursue education, and higher education at that, is a little low. But I think to that it could. It's a great way to like build your network and like step out of your norm of what you normally see. So if you can pursue education, you should. But I find that so interesting that, like with you being an immigrant and you coming and seeing people that basically don't appreciate what they have and I say that in a quotation marks, right, because obviously from their point of view it's a little different but, yes, like that, education, freedom, free school, you know, freedom of speech, all of those things are luxuries for you as an immigrant. But for somebody that's born and raised here and this is all they know, they kind of take that for granted. But I think that's also just like human, it's life. It's life, yeah, it's life. That's what happens.
Speaker 2:You don't appreciate what you have. You don't appreciate what you have and, moreover, you know sometimes poverty has its own advantage too People who have seen poverty. When they're coming to a situation where they see opportunity, they don't play with it. I think that's one of the reasons why you see some immigrants come. They try to because they've seen they really have seen poverty, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's so interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, that's so interesting. Yeah, well, I hope that there is more of just like a coming together of all types of like people from the diaspora, from all walks. You know, my Black Americans, my Caribbeans, my Africans, you know, and I feel like even just these types of conversations do a great job at bridging that gap. So let's just clear the air, because we're talking and we are representing Africans right now.
Speaker 2:We love.
Speaker 1:We love all Black people. We are one. Now we're all annoyed, like imagine I feel like a white person being like I love black people. No, but I feel like we all are, like we're just a product of colonization, exactly, you know, because Nigeria and Africa is also having its own struggles and effects from colonization. That's a whole nother conversation in itself. But yeah, I feel like it's important for us all to just like be unified.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, feel like it's important for us all to just like, be unified. But, yeah, you see, one of the reasons why we cannot grow successful is if, if african americans that we are here as slaves, if they did not struggle and pave the way, we immigrants, we wouldn't fit in. They paid the ultimate price for us. Yes, and this is why, you know, in this new era, there's more togetherness among African-Americans and Africans. That you know, african immigrants immigrants because we realize how much, for instance, the civil rights movement, what they went through, what they fought.
Speaker 1:That was why we got to just enjoy and live segregation free.
Speaker 2:And we will never. We will always be grateful to African-Americans for that. That is so. It's the biggest sacrifice they did for us, Because we couldn't have done anything if it wasn't for them. That did the battlefield the ones that were on ground.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's not like they asked to be here.
Speaker 2:No, and they fought hard, fought hard, fought hard through the emancipation, fought hard, fought hard. And now you know we come here as if we were born and raised here. We were not born and raised here, we're immigrants. I give it to them and that's why, when I was a social worker I don't know, I wouldn't call it if I was biased or if I was, but for some reason I paid attention to every client. I do. But for some reason I will go that extra mile because I see myself as giving back to society by the services. Some of them working don't know their rights, but I will go the extra mile. These are your benefits, these are the things. These are the things Because I see these people suffered for us to be here and now we are here working.
Speaker 2:The best thing you can do at least reach out, touch as many lives as you can by just doing your job, by just whatever they are eligible for. Give it to them. Advice, not only the advice I give to my children. I give a lot of advice to the children. When I was in ACS I'm in session for children's services I worked because I've been in the system from Department of Health I went to ACS. I was visiting the same homes because health-wise there's a problem, you know, child abuse. So when I go into a home where there's a child, I have gone to a home I saw a single mother with the challenges she faced.
Speaker 1:Wait. So you went to a home and you found out. Basically, they said that the mother was molesting the child.
Speaker 2:The report was that the mother was molesting the child. The report was that the report Okay, so it was an anonymous and nobody knows who called it.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:But anyway, when I went to the home, their mother did admit to me that he will come home not do his homework stuff. I said, okay, all right, you know you can do it better. I mean, I'm a father, I have children and of course I try to discipline them. But in this situation, you know, let's work on this child, let's work on this child. You have a very good child.
Speaker 2:You know you give a child praise, you start, you know, affecting them. Yeah, you know, versus when you cause them out, you get a monster. So I said, from what I see and I've read about him, he's a good kid and he gets you get stuff from school and he comes home. So he knows he has a home. You have a good kid, but let's change things around. So I started working on the child. But sometimes on my off days I will go to that child and they made me so proud, yes, that they started bonding. You know, when he doesn't do the homework, try to help him do the homework, but just show him love. They see the harshness, that's what they see, and they will think it is hatred, not knowing it's discipline.
Speaker 1:Yeah so it changed.
Speaker 2:But anyway, in essence, what I'm saying is most of us who come here whatever chance we have to give back to society and to the African-Americans and to the African-Americans we should not shy away from doing it, because we really appreciate them and they do deserve the good we have to offer.
Speaker 1:I love that you said that. Yeah, I think that is so profound and necessary for you to even share that, because sometimes they honestly don't hear that or they don't feel that. Yeah, you know, obviously every single person that you meet is going to be an individual experience and they can't represent, you know, all of Africans or all Caribbeans or all Black Americans, but, like I do think it's important to know that there are a ton of Africans and African immigrants that appreciate, you know, what the Black American, african American community, black American African American community, caribbean community has done for us to live, you know, freely in this country.
Speaker 2:Yes, is them that's amazing, not is them?
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, one more thing that I want to talk about. So obviously, like you mentioned, you come from the analog age. Now you are in the digital age.
Speaker 2:Yes, Thank God for that.
Speaker 1:Thank god for that. Thank god for that. And um, I feel like you've seen just like so many different careers and jobs come out of the internet now becoming like a whole thing and you know it personally because you have a daughter. That's for for gold the traditional, stable career path of being a medical doctor, and she decided to take a bet on something called the internet and make hair videos, and now we're on a podcast. So I guess I'm just wondering what was that like for you to one just even have to let go, Because I can imagine you wanted me to obviously go a certain way because you had in mind be a medical doctor. Like that makes sense. So what was it like having to kind of surrender that and just let me go?
Speaker 2:If anybody asks me, one of the biggest challenges I had faced in my life it was trying to convince you to go to medical school. You know that thing made me sick. It really made me sick. You know, it gave me sleepless nights. Even at that point I was mad at your mother when she kept on advising me take it easy, let her do it. I said listen, you don't do that. What does she know? What is this I'm gonna do? I don't see it. But medical doctor, I have seen, other careers I have seen, but what she's talking about I have not seen it. I mean I have. I have not seen it. What is it?
Speaker 1:what is the internet?
Speaker 2:yeah, what is it what she's talking about? Not even what's the internet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what is it that she's talking about? Not even what's the internet? What is?
Speaker 2:social media, Whatever it is, I just I'm like I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1:Which is understandable.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I haven't seen it. If I knew that this is exactly the deal, maybe it would have been easier for me, but to me what you were saying didn't make any kind of sense and if I hated you at any time, it was that time.
Speaker 2:What? Yes, I will come and I'll be looking at you. I don't know whether to just punch you, I don't know how to grab you, to bite you. I just couldn't. I just I was devastated. And then whenever I come back to he will still maintain the same stance. I said this guy can't change. Then I will beg you still the same answer. I will use force. Still the same answer. So it was a terrible time it was, and when I really started to just calm down was when I came to you for financial. That was when I'm like you know what.
Speaker 2:Man slow down. I'm not shy to say it. That was when I actually told myself, I said maybe what this girl is talking about, maybe she's, I don't know.
Speaker 1:This is like four years later, by the way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you maintained what you were doing, you kept on, so it's like it took me a long time until I came to you, when, financially I was, I was up here and then I came to you you were in a financial pickle if I had a choice, you know I wouldn't come, but I had no choice you had to follow your pride. I had no other choice. It gave me so much thought that when I it wasn't when I wanted to tell you the first time I wanted to tell you, I quickly dismissed it.
Speaker 1:You mean when you had issues and wanted to ask? Uh-huh, I wanted to ask you and you couldn't do it.
Speaker 2:And I couldn't do it. And then you asked me, Daddy, I said yeah, yeah, yeah. I would ask you asked me how? Because you knew I was going through stuff Uh-huh. And then you asked me Daddy, how is you know? I said okay, everything is you know, it's okay. And then I discovered something.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 2:Your bank statement came to the house, so I saw your bank statement.
Speaker 1:I opened it. I knew you guys would be opening my mail.
Speaker 2:I opened it, I closed it, I closed it, and then I was encouraged more to come.
Speaker 1:Yo.
Speaker 2:Yes, and that was when you asked me if I was in medical school, would you be telling me to help you financially? Then I said no, that's not why I'm here. I'm just here to get help.
Speaker 1:One thing about me. I'm going to rub it in your face, Sorry yeah.
Speaker 2:He said wow, Daddy.
Speaker 1:I said yes.
Speaker 2:That time my pride is gone. So he said daddy, well, daddy, really, I said yes, yes, I need this help. Help when you did respond to me your tune changed it has to. It has to you know yeah and I'm so grateful you burned me out yo you know that is so interesting Very very interesting.
Speaker 1:You are so full of stories, very interesting. A lot of this stuff I'm hearing for the first time, so we're all going through this together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, daddy, I was sick behind that. Go to medical school. Go to medical school. Understood your ground Well.
Speaker 1:That's so interesting. I mean, yeah, but I can understand, like, your position of just like wanting me to do something that you knew would bring results and bring stability Right, and know that I will always have a career like that's understandable, and I think, now that I'm older, I understand where you were coming from. Definitely, yeah, because it's like even with us now, right, millennials slash Gen Z. We kind of grew up on the internet and social media, but now there's like AI You've been hearing about AI yes, okay, all right, keep an eye, yeah, but AI is like taking over and I kind of feel like and millennials will tell you like we kind of low-key, feel like ancient, because now we're trying to catch up to this new thing that's happening.
Speaker 1:So I can understand, like I was. I think I was telling my friend the other day I'm like if my kid tried to come and tell me, oh, I want to, I don't know, have a career in AI, like, or social media, I would even me as a social media influencer. I would be like I think you should go to school, you know, get a, have a stable career and things like that. So I can understand where you're coming from. But I also feel like everybody is unique in their own special way, right, and especially people that are either have like a really strong gifting for like discernment and like some people just know what they're supposed to do. You know, and you kind of got to trust them.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I mean, hey, listen, but one of the reasons why I kept on you to go to medical school was mainly because of all my children. You are the most academic. You know what I'm saying. No, yeah, because of all my children, you are the most academic. You know what I'm saying. No, yeah, In high school you solve problems above. You were academically there.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And there was no fear for you. You can do, you know, doing medicine, doing nothing, it will be nothing for you yeah because you're academic and it's all.
Speaker 1:I don't know, man well, thanks for believing in me. Yeah, you know what's so funny, though I really don't feel like I had a lot of support, though, to actually go to medical school.
Speaker 2:Funny enough and I'm not saying you didn't support me, I'm talking about, like, I know academically, I know, I know, but it's somebody can go to medicine at the age of If I want to go back to school and I can do it.
Speaker 1:You absolutely can.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you should can. That's one good thing about life, and life in America is worth living.
Speaker 1:Now what if somebody's not in America?
Speaker 2:Life is worth living anywhere and anywhere. But, the opportunities you find here, you don't find it in Nigeria. Yes, you don't find it in Nigeria? Yes, you don't find it. It's actually true, you don't find it. So whatever you can achieve here, just go ahead, Like it's not too late.
Speaker 1:If you want to go back, it's never yeah, whatever you want to do.
Speaker 2:A friend of mine he was 59 and he went back to school and he just graduated at 62 as a nurse. Wow, so life is you can do whatever you want to that anytime.
Speaker 1:I love that.
Speaker 2:That's the beauty thing, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think actually a lot of people need to hear that. Yeah, I feel like I needed to hear that too, because even me that's 29, going on 30, I started feeling like I can't go, like sometimes you feel like it's too late.
Speaker 2:When did your mother go back to school For uh to get her MPE? Not even before the MPE she started going to school while Lehman yeah, she went to Lehman when she had when she had a yeah, so she was like 30. So how old do you think she was then?
Speaker 1:That's true, that's true, you know, you're right, uh-huh. So it's not too late. 30, 29, this is brand new. Actually, what would you say to the? Because this podcast is, I guess, a month old now and there's a lot of young folks that are around my age range, a little younger, a little older, yeah.
Speaker 2:As an elder, what advice would you give us to give the people you know, those that are entering that 30, getting there and for some reason like this generation? If you say 28, 29, 30, they call it old age. You know it kills me. You are young.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Very, very, very young, yeah, and you know very young, yeah, and you know what you can do At 30, 31, 32, there's so much you can do. You are young. The idea of, oh, I'm 25, I'm old, I'm 26, I'm old, I'm 30. No, no, no, you can mess things up. You are very, very young. You are still in your youth. You can do whatever you want to do. You still have a whole bunch of time ahead of you.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for sharing.
Speaker 2:You're never old to do whatever you want to do.
Speaker 1:You're never too old.
Speaker 2:Talking about 29, 30, it's crazy man.
Speaker 1:Somebody needed to hear that today.
Speaker 2:I know somebody needed to hear that I'm so, so young, woo, so young. A young spring chicken.
Speaker 1:No, but actually I did have to have that mindset shift around age, because when I turned 29, I was like, oh my gosh, I'm finished. Nope, you're brand new. I'm finished. But that's exactly what it is. You're actually brand new, you're actually just starting life and that is when your thoughts and your decisions matter. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because now you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now you have at least a decade of experience.
Speaker 2:And now you have, look at, you're 30. And then you have another 60 ahead. Amen, you know what I'm saying. You have another 30, another 20, another. You have.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So just appreciate God that you have it and use the youthful age. You're young. I wish I'm 40 now. I'd be so young, but I'm still young. I'd be so young, but I'm still young because I want to enjoy life, I want to make it and I'm in my 60s. So if I want all these things, imagine you, that's just 30. Do you feel?
Speaker 1:like do you still feel young inside?
Speaker 2:Not only do I feel young, I am young, I don't. I would never give any space in my system to look at oh, I'm old, I'm dying, no, that's I have. No, no, no, no. I am young, I feel young and I will enjoy life young me yes amen yes no, but like for real though.
Speaker 1:Like, do you actually?
Speaker 2:what else do you want me to ask? I don't feel old, if that's what you're looking for no like okay, do you still feel like? Sometimes I'm like you ever heard of the phrase ages, but not ages, nothing but a number. But you ever heard of the phrase age is but a Age is nothing but a number, but a number? You heard of that, yes, okay, good.
Speaker 1:So like actually.
Speaker 2:So how.
Speaker 1:I feel right now is probably what I'll feel at 60.
Speaker 2:Now, that's definitely up to you how you want to feel, but for me, I feel young, okay, okay, I'm not going to tell you, oh, I feel so old, I don't have. That's not me. I feel young and I'm very, very young.
Speaker 1:Do you have any advice for anybody that just is in a tough space mentally right now? Advice for anybody that just is in a tough space mentally right now Think back to some of maybe the challenges that you had as a young man. You know that 30, age, 40, even 50, but like you know what I mean, think about maybe tough times that you had around that time. What would you say to somebody that's kind of in that position right now?
Speaker 2:You know, everybody's experience is different.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But definitely growing up, for an immigrant, for me to be here and grow up here and went through years. It was tough. It was very, very tough. I wasn't a student, a citizen, so all my college I was paying and I would walk and then I'd pay and it was really, really tough. But guess what? Whatever you go through in life and your success, it has a whole lot to do with your belief system. You know, if you believe that I'm going to do this, walk towards it, I thank God, your belief. I don't know Some people I have. I know some friends also who they believe they're not going to make it. They believe that, yeah, and when I I noticed such a friend, that's when our friendship will start ending, because I want someone to tell me I will make it, even though it might look like I will not make it yeah but I want to make it yeah, so you need to like, surround yourself with people you have to surround yourself with people that believe they're going to make it, and then also you as well.
Speaker 1:You need to believe that you're going to make it.
Speaker 2:Of course, Because one step about making it is believing that you're going to make it.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, you're saying this and you're just saying, of course, but there's like people out there like that are depressed, so it's hard for them to like believe that.
Speaker 2:So that's why I'm asking you to give that advice. I know, I know, I know. And whatever problem you find, don't let it consume you. That's when the depression comes. You know, there was a time I lost my job as a security. I was in college. That guy only God will punish him. Yes, I was so tired and I was making my rounds and then I stopped by a corner and slept. That guy, he saw me and he reported me and I was fired instantly and that was two weeks I'd been on that job and that was a good paying security job. It was web security. Stop laughing. I was so depressed. You said, olinga, what was that? That guy? I think by now he must have paid his price, because that was the saddest day in my life. I just got that job. I didn't have a car to drive, I had nothing, and I've done that job. One week I got paid for the first time ever that I was working. I was able to make $310. And that's overtime included.
Speaker 2:That was a lot of money then it was big, so I paid my aunt $100. I owed her.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes, and then I had a little left. I'm like, with this job I'll be able to next week. It was gone, charred. Well, I was so devastated I just didn't know what to do. You know, but the good thing about New York is, if you want to survive, you can survive. So what did I do? I would go downtown back to. You know the people that sell textiles. They will be offloading and loading. So I would go there and I would load and get paid. You know what I'm saying? Like packing things, so like you, basically you didn't quit.
Speaker 1:No, you can't quit. You know what I'm saying? Like packing things, so like you. Basically, you didn't quit, like you.
Speaker 2:No, you can't quit.
Speaker 1:You have to try Because quitting is dying. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because if you quit, you will not get money for your rent.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You will not get money for food, you will not get money for subway and, above all, you'll be dying.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You'll be homeless. And when you see people that there are so many students who didn't make it, they are lazy to work and before you know it, they end up homeless, homeless and on the street but if you just hustle, there's always something to do. Yeah, I go to a park, and I started that it was so depressing, but I kept on doing it until I got another to do. Yeah, I go to their park, and I started that it was so depressing, but I kept on doing it until I got another security job.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so basically it gets better.
Speaker 2:It gets better. Don't give up. Don't give up, don't don't. That's one thing, don't give up.
Speaker 1:You know it's so funny because it sounds so simple.
Speaker 2:but it's like you know how many people that give up Yo and guess what? You don't blame them. Sometimes that's the only choice they have.
Speaker 1:No, because it's hard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the only choice they have.
Speaker 1:No, it's hard. So the concept of not giving up, especially when you start getting older, yeah, Like you know, as time goes and you really start seeing life, you're like, yeah, Giving up seems like a really you know. So to say, you know, don't give up. You know there's somebody that's even just listening right now and you are just on the verge of giving up.
Speaker 2:Don't, don't give up People who want to give up. Believe, just believe it, and it is real. Believe that God is not a God that wants you to give up. If you believe in him, trust me, and I'm a living example. Yes, if you believe in him, there's always this thing someone will come to your aid, something will happen. Believing in him, just don't oh, I believe. No. When you believe in him, believe in him, give him all, and there will believe. No, when you believe in him, believe in him, give him all, and there will always be a rescue.
Speaker 1:It's true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that you just have to believe. That's the first thing. Yeah, and you know one thing, though Don't restrict yourself in one income. Ooh, especially living in America, always have other sources of income, whatever you can do. And that's why, when I was telling you, go do this, go do that, go do that, see, there's always whatever you get is an addition to what you already have. Whatever you get is an addition to what you have. But the beautiful thing about this age, the beautiful thing, that's one big advantage of this you're called age, this generation, generation. You know that's one good thing. That is, you used to beat other generations.
Speaker 1:Which is what you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:You can just make money from just believing in what you want to do and being serious with it. We didn't have choices. So that's where, when I say, go get your career, I knew no other thing, but get that career.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's all I knew, yeah.
Speaker 2:We didn't grow up with all these things that are available Because, knowing myself and how resourceful I can be, I will actually be like you too, because if I see any means of making money, I don't stop. When I was here, I would drive a taxi and make my money. I would go to do my security job. I make my money, I do a contribution. You know all that kind of thing. But now, this generation, you have a whole bunch of opportunities. Look at somebody just making money, making videos. Jesus Christ, ain't that?
Speaker 1:good.
Speaker 2:Are you kidding me? Ain't that good? And look at you, do a little. You're making money. It's crazy. I'm like damn, why wasn't I born in this generation? I could be a millionaire, but anyway it's not too late. Yes, you know, at least I'm doing a little thing. Yeah, we get you started, but this generation is a lot of blessings. In this generation. I give it to you. You know this generation. I clap for you. Lot of opportunities.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes. So honestly in this generation, if you don't make it, guess who you blame? Blame yourself, Because there are things you can do to just make it Be a content creator. It's a talent. Wow, that turns into money.
Speaker 1:I never thought I'd hear my Nigerian father saying those words and I, you know I use.
Speaker 2:Do you know how many places I use you as a case study? Yeah, Let your children whatever they want to do, just get them, Because I'm a living example of fighting with my own child about what I want her to do. And it was a fight and then she went for what she wants to do and I'm benefiting from it. It's a good thing, Wow. So, yes, parents, educate, tell them you know, whatever they want to do, give them the support.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel that, but I do think there is power and leverage in education though.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I definitely think so.
Speaker 1:Even just beyond, like career, definitely Between the network that you can get, the life experiences that you gain, like there's just certain things that are just priceless from going and getting, like higher education. So, please, go to school, go to school, go to school. Yeah, um, wow, that's amazing. Oh, daddy, you're so great. Yeah, I love that. Oh well, we could be here all day, but we're gonna have to wrap this up here. Daddy, thank you so much for gracing my platform today. We should do more of it. Yeah, I like this.
Speaker 1:Yes, I really do oh my, if you guys want Papaduras to come back, please run this video up. Give it a like, subscribe, download, share and yeah, thank you again.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:And I'll catch you guys in the next episode. Bye.
Speaker 2:Thank you very much, my sweet daughter.
