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How I AI showcases the people shaping the future with artificial intelligence. Host Brooke Gramer spotlights founders, innovators, and creatives who share not just the tools they use, but the transformations they’ve experienced. Human-centered storytelling meets visionary insights on business, culture, and the future of innovation.
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How a Global Entrepreneur Adapts Mindset and Family for an AI-Driven Future
In this episode of "How I AI," I sit down in Bali with Umer Hadeed - Innovation Architect, Serial Entrepreneur, and co-founder of The Collective AI. But rather than a tech-heavy breakdown, this conversation goes deeper. We explore the mindset shift required to adapt in the age of AI, how history mirrors today’s digital revolution, and what it means to raise families during this unprecedented time of change.
Whether you’re a founder, a freelancer, or a parent navigating what to teach the next generation, Umer offers a grounded, big-picture perspective. We unpack the emotional friction many feel, why tech stacks are constantly evolving, and how automation is redefining the value of human work. If you’ve been craving a thoughtful, human-centered take on this AI wave, this episode is for you.
What We Cover:
- How Umer entered the AI space after years in engineering, e-comm, blockchain, and creative tech
- The role of community and connection in accelerating AI adoption
- Why AI isn’t eliminating jobs - it’s displacing them, and what that means for your next move
- Raising kids in an AI-first world: mindset, responsibility, and opportunity
- How to future-proof yourself in a world of constant change
Tech + Tools Mentioned:
ChatGPT – for text generation and automation
Claude – for deeper, nuanced LLM queries
11 Labs – for advanced AI voice and audio generation
DeepSeek – for research and deep summarization
Make.com – for low-code automations across platforms
n8n – open-source workflow automation
Zapier – no-code tool for connecting apps and automating tasks
Connect with Umer:
Join Umer inside The Collective’s private Skool community. You’ll get biweekly live sessions, the 7-Day AI Mastery Challenge, Jonathan’s planning system, and access to tools, trainings, and templates.. all for $47/month. Cancel anytime.
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Welcome to How I AI the podcast featuring real people, real stories, and real AI in action. I'm Brooke Gramer your host and guide on this journey into the real world impact of artificial intelligence. For over 15 years, I've worked in creative marketing events and business strategy wearing all the hats. I know the struggle of trying to scale and manage all things without burning out, but here's the game changer, ai. This isn't just a podcast, How I AI is a community. A space where curious minds like you can come together, share ideas, and I'll also be bringing you exclusive discounts, free trials and insider resources so you can test drive the latest tools and tech yourself. Because AI isn't just a trend, it's a shift. The sooner we embrace it, the more freedom, creativity, and opportunities we'll unlock. How I AI is brought to you in partnership with the collective, A space designed to accelerate your learning and AI adoption. I joined the Collective and it's completely catapulted my learning, expanded my network, and show me what's possible with ai. Whether you're just starting out or looking to refine your AI strategy, The Collective gives you the resources to grow. Stay tuned to learn more at the end of this episode, or check the show notes for my exclusive invite link.. Today's episode with Umer Hadeed brought me to a deeper level of understanding the mindset shift we all need to take around artificial intelligence. He shared about his personal background and entry into the space, and he also touched on what it means to be raising families adapting ai, we did some fun key takes about what we wanna use AI for so enjoy this episode. It's enlightening and also fun and engaging. Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of How I Ai. Today I have a very special guest. His name is Umer Hadeed. He's actually the co-founder of the Collective ai, which really sparked my interest into artificial intelligence, introduced me to an amazing community in this space. And beyond that, he's a serial entrepreneur, he's an innovation architect, and a creative growth consultant. Umer, welcome. Thank you so much for being here today.
Umer:Oh, thank you, Brooke, for having me.
Brooke:We are here in Bali and we just wrapped a AI hacker house and Mastermind. But before we get all into that, I'd love for you to maybe expand a bit on your background. And what it is that you do. I know you have your hand in a lot of spaces.
Umer:Yeah. So as you know that we are running a community called the Collective. Yes. And it's a community of people, entrepreneurs people who are interested in emerging technology and exponential tech. Like-minded business owners. So it's a community of those people. Where we come together, we learn together. We find different solutions to all the challenges that the new ecosystem presents So yeah, we are running that and we've been running for the past two years now. And it has been going great. Of course, AI being at the forefront of the emerging tech. So we touch upon a lot of AI stuff. But of course, like, it's gonna be beyond ai. It's gonna be Web3 blockchain and future. And we do too. but ai, being ai. So everybody's talking about, and it's a fad and everybody's interested in ai, right? And so we are running that. And you were part of the hacker house. So what we do is we, in our community, it's a paid community and we offer different services and I think with all the webinars and workshop that we host and online courses that we build the greatest, I think thing that gives me pleasure and helps me grow. Is the hacker houses and the Mastermind that we host.
Brooke:Mm-hmm.
Umer:So all these people like, you who become part of community. They have a chance to be part of four events that take place throughout the year, which is two hacker houses and two masterminds. And we do it mostly in the US but then we host hacker houses in different parts of the world and we get to meet different people. We get to touch upon different people's lives. And it has been a very interesting ride. So far as we know that, you know, how AI is growing, unfolding, every passing day there's a new update that you have no idea what it's about. So that's, that has been great. That's what's happening right now. In the past yeah. Um, I'm an engineer but I never practiced engineering. Oh, really? Computer, Yeah. Computer engineer. Back in 2001, I got graduated. I worked with a couple of companies before I started my own thing. Back in 2007. Back in 2007 freelancing was on the rise in Pakistan when West realized that, hey let's outsource this stuff. You can get the same kind of quality. or at pennies and dimes. Let's do that. And that was the opportunity for the East to you can get Like, you know, pound pounds on the fact that, hey, not only you'll be able to work with some people who are trying to work in the latest tech and build some cool stuff. And also the dollar and local rupe disparity was huge. And you put same amount of work, but you get 10 x five x two x amount of monetary upside, right? Yeah, so got into it, build an agency, and then we exponentially grew. We put in a lot of effort. So I had a chance to work with a lot of big companies, fortune 500, from Pepsi Cheetos Coke, Cisco, huawe and so on and so forth. Worked for some Hollywood movies. We did animations. Did a visual effects for bunch of other individuals who are in Guinness Book of World Records, bubble Legendary. So I gotta work with them. So we did AR VR back in 2012, 11.
Brooke:Wow.
Umer:And and then me and Jonathan started our own we started like, you know, we, we are done with services cards. For me it's something that, I don't really enjoy. And it's very painstaking and and very thankless no matter how good of a job you do. Especially working with bigger clients, they never, the appreciation Like, you know, The way it should be. The money isn't there the way it should be.
Brooke:Yeah.
Umer:'Cause of the reason they're all minting and then you only get the crumbs. So it was becoming tiring and thankless and we said we're gonna work on our own products. Yeah. So we start with e-com. We started like, um, a few companies. We launched on Shopify. Initially we were not successful, but we learned a lot and we quickly turned around. And then we made a huge inroad in jewelry segment and we became eight figure company, Wow. For consecutive three years. And eventually we exited that company. We started a blockchain and then from there uh, and we were working on different parallel projects at the same time. We did a blockchain company in 2017. Then we, ventured into AI eventually, like in as we could see that, the future is all about AI and emerging tech. So it's all gonna be Web3 and ai. So we ventured into it. So here we are.
Brooke:Yeah. That's. My first question I love to dig into when people are explaining their background and all the facets they've worked in, is when did AI catch your attention? What year was that and what was your first sampling of the waters of using it for your business?
Umer:AI has been there, but not the way open AI when open AI came out and reached to the masses. For consumer market. It's changed the game for everyone. Nobody saw it coming. That's the reality of it. Yeah. Yeah. But at enterprise level, AI was like, it has been few decades that like, people have been working on AI and machine learning and yeah. Well in some shape or form you're always working if if you are developing different products, you're developing different SaaS. It has always been part of it. But yeah, the way OpenAI broke into the scene nobody saw it coming, or maybe very few people saw it coming. And it changed the world. Of course I was part of it. I'm not gonna lie and say I knew it. No, And I still believe hardly anybody knows you know what is a way we heading, what's coming up next? So it's all speculation. And now we are at a juncture where, of course you can guesstimate because a lot is unfolded. But back in 2022. We hardly knew and there was speculation that, hey, there's gonna be AGI right away, they're gonna be si and things gonna change. And there was fear factor being humans. We always feared things or judge things. But Yeah. The important thing is that, just learn what it is, what it offers. Take bull by the horn, use it, do whatever you're doing in your life. Yeah. Whatever, what kind of business that you're into. Yeah. You running a solo company, you running a team-based company? It's a medium enterprise. It's a large enterprise. your life. Yeah. Whatever, what as a head, as a leader, as a CEO, as an entrepreneur, your job is to make sure that you plug AI into your company, and whatever you guys are doing. Whether it's real estate, it's health sector, it's services, agencies it's a restaurant business. You're a doctor, you're an engineer, you're an architect.
Brooke:Yes.
Umer:You're a teacher whatever, like an industry or segment or sector or vertical you are in. Your job is to get into it. You dive deep into it and see how you can apply it within your industry.
Brooke:Absolutely. So it seems like you had AI in the background for a while, and it really was when ChatGPT Open AI came out that it really shifted the industry as a whole. So here we are now, 2025, and you did some really cool demos during our mastermind recently here in Bali. But can you share the whole encompassing technology stack that you currently use for all of your businesses that you manage now?
Umer:Yeah. It's a same tech stack like, normally, which is at the forefront. Because here's the thing, the reality is I cannot say, Hey, use this. Yeah. And this is the best shit that you're gonna come across. And the very next day something better comes up. Yeah. And the day after that same company becomes better than the new company.
Brooke:Yes.
Umer:So let me give you an example. 11 labs. Has been leading in terms of the voice over and then the music and all of that. And then people have been using in different types of industries and it has been leading. And all of a sudden there was a new company think a week back which got launched and people were raving about it. That, you know how it killed 11 labs. 11 labs is gone.'cause what it was offering 11 labs wasn't offering. So it wasn't notch above 11 labs. And then day before yesterday I think two days back, 11 labs launched a new version, which is way better than that company.
Brooke:Okay. So
Umer:it's we are living in those times. And the graph of the intelligence I shouldn't be saying intelligence, but the graph of what it is offering in terms of how it can streamline, optimize. And help you pick up pace is. Is on the rise, right? So it based off of intelligence how good it is being able to perform a certain task. Initially we saw copy wasn't great when Open AI came out. The animation and the pictures weren't great. But slowly and gradually they're becoming better. So that's the incline curve or trajectory that we see. Yeah. And I think it's gonna hit a plateau because it's gonna be lot of diminishing returns. Because this technology isn't inexpensive. It's very expensive. Yes. It doesn't come cheap. So you need a lot of power. You need a lot of energy. There's a lot of computation. And it's not easy to come up with all those GPUs that are working in the backend. You don't make them cheap. So the smarter systems that you wanna build, the faster systems that you wanna build. It requires bigger and better machinery behind it, right? Of course, data combination is one part of it. The other is of course the machine that we are using. So that's gonna require a lot of money to outdo the previous one. Yes. Outdo the previous one. Yeah. And there's gonna be a time where the output that is required or done by those company is not necessarily required, or the output isn't as impactful. So the money input. Is not gaining the output that it's supposed to have. because like in as humans, we are still underusing the capability of AI that is Yeah. right now.
Brooke:absolutely. That
Umer:exists right now, for us it's just asking Elon Musk to cook for us, just like how that's how we are using AI right now. Hey write me this email. so the current AI is better than that. So the application is not there.'cause the ecosystem around it. Doesn't require it. So how far are we gonna invest into this pool of intelligence? I think it's gonna be, model, speed as compared to model intelligence.'cause then you and me are gonna fight about Hey, is your AI faster than mine is, your computation time is shorter than mine, and so on and so forth. There's a lot of, intricate other elements, but I'm just trying to super simplify. So it's very interesting times, but like I said a lot of tech has been used. The time is to automate your systems. Let all the mundane your daily tasks, which are pretty basic, give it to ai. And and it's gonna get it done for you better than humans.'cause it's functioning faster. It doesn't get tired, it doesn't get slow. It doesn't sleep. It's working 24 7. And it's more accurate. And you can build all those system. Now we are at a stage where we are all automating all those, processes and systems that we do on our daily basis. Posting on social media, Yes. sending out emails keeping different apps and use and tools that we use across our companies together. everything is automated. Now and then you can do it. And the biggest thing is vibe coding is here. And I'm learning vibe coding. Of course there's a lot of stuff which still requires a lot of coding. And they're low code and low code models, but they're not as advanced. And, but the vibe coding. has come to the surface. Yes. And that's a game changer. And I was talking for I think two, three weeks ago I was talking to. One of my colleagues and partners Eric and he's a beast and he was teaching me different stuff on Enit and all the other platforms we are going through. I was like, I'm gonna get back into programming as it's getting easier.
Brooke:Okay. Yeah. Now you're ready to go back.
Umer:No, but thing is, so I realized so I was of the opinion that, hey, vibe coding is there and everything is gonna change. It's so easy for me. It is. It, still isn't, it's still, you have to have that background and that still need to, When I spoke with him, when he taught me stuff. I knew that, it's not gonna be easy. There's still a learning curve. Yeah. But then again, you can still lose so much. So yes. Let's utilize it. And yeah, to answer your question, I didn't answer your question, what technology stack, because there's so many. But it depends on what you're doing. Yes. It could be, Gazillion. It
Brooke:sounds like you're non-committed, which is a good place to be if you are exploring and able to pick up learning. New systems quickly. So if some model or version is better, the next day you're open to switching around
Umer:a hundred hundred percent. You, you cannot be, so the general perception is that hey, pick any AI model and it's gonna perform every task for you equally good. That's not the case. Every LLM and their models are like, really good at certain things and they're not really good at other things. So you gotta identify which one is working for you. And this you have spent some time with me, so you know that I give this example that just like, there are 8 billion people, not every, every living being is your person. So we find and pick our own person. Yeah. We align with, same goes for LLM in my opinion. See your alignment with what you're trying to do. Which one works better? Yeah. You gotta try it. You just cannot go by, by the simple somebody's else's opinion. But then again, you need to know that, hey Claude performs a deep search way better than other platforms, gemini 2.4 and then maybe deep Seq R one. So these are the platform, if you're doing deep research you can use open AI for certain tasks. If you want to work on building some imagery and videos. There are other platforms, so you gotta pick and choose. You gotta see, try it out yourself and see hey, this kind of things that I want to build and these are the platforms or LLMs or models that are functioning, yeah. Better for me. Yeah,
Brooke:I always describe it as, for the most part, everybody has an iPhone, but it's just for this example, if you were to put everybody's iPhone on a table during dinner. And look at all the apps that they have. They probably all have completely different ones. There might be some key identifying ones that everybody uses, but we're also different on how we approach life personally, professionally. So I like that notion of just staying open and seeing what works for you. because it's like uniquely individualized. So do you estimate how much you're spending monthly on tech? Because that sounds like an expensive approach. for you.'cause it's
Umer:Yeah. The thing is it's not expensive. If it is helping me build what I'm trying to build faster and better, then it's definitely not expensive. We spend ridiculous amount of money on certain things that we do not need.
Brooke:Yeah.
Umer:And to answer your question I have no answer to that.'cause every day there's a new thing and we are subscribing to it. Yeah. There's always an increment into how much you're investing into technology and being an entrepreneur. I think your job right now is invest into it. whether it's your time. Your energy or money the ROIs is absolutely mind boggling. Yes. You gotta learn. You gotta invest. you gotta optimize it. But by the end of the day the output is beyond at least my understanding my expectation, I wasn't expecting those kind of ROIs. Teams are getting smaller jobs are like, individual jobs. Roles are changing. Yes. A lot of people are losing their jobs. But at the same time it's not losing its displacement. Displacement. I, ne I was never of the opinion that, we are gonna lose jobs. If you go back two, three years ago, I always knew that, it's gonna be displacement. This is displacement that happens. So you gotta find hey I'm in danger. My job is in danger'cause AI is exponentially growing and getting better at what I do. So how am I supposed to look at it? How, where is the angle where the AI is not performing at its bad within my domain? For example, people say computer engineers gonna be like, you know, the unnecessary in future. For the companies, not for every company, but most of the companies. And I believe that's not the case. Yes. Certain type of computer engineers'cause there are levels to it, there are entry level, they're medium level and they're high level. So if you are top of the pyramid, you're always needed. You're not going anywhere. So just like in business, the pyramid top side, you're always needed. You, you're not going anywhere. So the longevity is there. The lower level, they always exist. Because they're always needed'cause of the price war. It's always who's the cheapest and hey, can you perform the bare minimum? Yeah. Can you give the functional output that is needed regardless of the price?'cause and if you're cheap and you're functional, people are gonna hire you and you're gonna be needed to do the basics or operate all those ais. Yeah. And keep them streamlined or something. Yes. But the mid tier, just like in business. The middle part of the burger, that's the worst part, people from the top handling and building the latest and the best shit. Lower entry level, super cheap.'cause the rest of the stuff is taken care of by the ai, the middle part. So you're not gonna be needed. So the choice is yours, what you're gonna do how you're gonna position yourself now. And I think if you are that person, I think. The biggest thing that I have seen is you learn ai, you adopt ai, and then you teach other people. That's the easiest way you become AI integrator. You become AI enhancer. You go in there and plug AI and then you teach other ironic though.'cause you are plugging in your replacement. You
Brooke:Yes. I plug AI everywhere. Yeah. So yeah.
Umer:So it's, it's just interesting how we used to see things and how we see the world now. It's absolutely different. Yeah, it's absolutely different.
Brooke:Yeah. I think you bring up some key points and really getting into the entrepreneurial mindset of thinking of the long term on how much more you're gonna be able to generate revenue wise, and how much time you're gonna save. Because a lot of people are approaching this of just the expenses and there's some reluctance and hesitance to just take that time. To upskill and take that time out of their work week and make any sacrifices, whether that be financial or energy. Yeah. But, getting in that entrepreneurial mindset of how much this is gonna compound your efforts and not feeling like you need to be convinced in any way, because a lot of people have already done amazing things, and the opportunity lies there. Absolutely. And you spoke a little bit about just the restructuring of organizations and workflows and the impact that's gonna be on the industry and how you're seeing it play out in real time. I also have been seeing, those middle level managers are now agent bosses. They're now looking over these ais and. being the manager of ais in that middle rounds. space. I'm curious to hear more about just the restructuring of your business and your life. How did you start to integrate it into your workflow? Did you completely shift your staff and your team on all of the work that you're doing? How did AI flip the script for you? Because a lot of people are in that space for the first time where they're like, no, what do I do? Am I laying off my staff? What do I do now? Or do I just train them all now? Or people are wanting to know what does the workforce look like in a year? And you had a head start, so could you maybe speak on that retrospectively?
Umer:Yeah. To your question Hey, how do we plug it in and and it, did it switch the script on us Yes, it did. Yeah. And in many cases, yes. And in other cases, no. Because sometimes we o overestimate stuff, sometimes we underestimate stuff. And that's the reality of it. But the important thing is, so this has been part of the ecosystem always. Yeah. When Industrial Revolution came, people thought rather, even if we go back when printing presses came about and Ottoman Empire was ruling the world and all the technology hub and the science scientific work was getting done by under ottoman empires times. And West was sleeping. And they came up with printing press. One of the biggest thing was. The downfall of them was they didn't adapt the printing press. So West took over, they said let's start printing books. And the other dudes were stuck in the old archaic system of writing books. So the information and the knowledge spread really fast. Yeah. So the time lapse is like huge over there. It's 150 years for them to fall completely. But thing is back then it wasn't huge enough. For now it's, the. it's big time. But then again, that was the reason why it happened and adopting that kind of technology back then snowballed into what happened in, in early 20th century to Ottoman Empire. World War I and then stuff. So that's just an example. Then again by the end of 19th century industrial revolution happened in America. And things were changing. There was a lot of human resource required labor work was used to do all of that. And then as the, mechanics of the industry changed, and then we came about different robots, mechanical robots or mechanical systems which help automate, humans to perform, like, bigger and better tasks, less humans were acquired.
Brooke:Yeah.
Umer:And then we went into corporation when that happened after Industrial Revolution, when corporations emerged and we went from analog to digitals, things changed and computer came into existence. So. How we use to perform official task through paperwork. Yeah. It went away. Everything started becoming digitalized or most of the stuff started to become digitalized. How we used to communicate changed how we used to connect change. so coming to current times,
Brooke:yes.
Umer:same applies. It's not something new. Yeah. It has been happening, so you gotta realize it. And for me, the only difference this time around is um the time that is needed right now to change the window is so short that if you're overthinking, if you are procrastinating you're not taking action, you won't have time to catch up. That's the only difference that I see. Yeah. It's existential crisis for you, for your business. If you don't adapt this change, people won't be able to relate. big companies are already looking for all those companies even medium enterprises are looking for all those people who know ai. And then, and if you see the job posting by all those companies, the first thing that they ask is Hey, are you AI smart? Are you AI literate? Are you ai well-versed, if you're not, then they're not even gonna consider you. That's just the beginning of the, and for people who are not gonna adapt. For me we are going into those like, sci-fi movies in coming years where they show there were two kinds of societies living, one utopian societies where Yeah. flying cars and those skyscrapers and everything high tech com robots and then there is, there are rogue people who are living outside that boundary wall of utopian society who are completely. disconnected. Yeah. Who call them either Rogue or Rebels or like, you know, oh, we still doing the things that like, we used to, so we are heading into those times, in my opinion, next five, six years gonna be very evidential in terms of hey, it's, the line has been drawn and it's, it and the void. It's gonna get bigger and bigger. So for me it's it's imperative. It's imperative. For your existence, for your company's existence, that you have to cut the emotional part and be more analytical. And be more pragmatic, prudent. With every step that you take for your future and for your company's future and for your family's future, Yeah. that which part you're gonna be on. So it's very clear, like I said, this utopian or the other society. So if you wanna stay here and you wanna serve them, that's absolutely fine by me. I have nothing. I have no qualms. But if you want to be here and then you wanna take advantage of this, and then you wanna live here you gotta cut the sentimental emotional part. Hey, I'm cutting my people, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's this. I know it's sad, but that's just how it is. If they were into this game, they would evolve themselves. They would adapt AI and help you build your system and with your businesses or your things. And then they're gonna become indispensable.
Brooke:Yeah.
Umer:And you won't need to fire them, or you don't need to, you won't need to get rid of them. Yeah, so that's what I believe. This is just part of the game and it has been happening for the past centuries now. And it's interesting that we are part of it. Yes, We are witnessing it firsthand.
Brooke:I remember even early on in my career, even when I learned computers, it was like floppy discs and green screens and I saw the progression entering corporate and. I used to fax things in the beginnings, and then it was you could use the printer to scan things and, yeah. Yeah. So see the progression of technology and to your point, really showing initiative to learn these new tools and skills and trades and adding value if you're working for someone else, or I think it's never been a more empowering place to. get in the driver's seat and start building your own things. Like what is it you wanna create for yourself? A hundred
Umer:percent. I think you have everything available. It's at your disposal. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to become a personal brand, if you wanna launch it, if you do something and offer something unique,
Brooke:yes.
Umer:You don't need a team anymore. Yeah. You may like, but not as huge at it was required few years back. And right now after, so the progression was like we discussed industrial corporation during Industrial Revolution, the wealth was created. Then during corporation level, corporates created the wealth. And 2010s onward it has been. Your personal brand, which has been creating wealth, and as we are going deeper into the current technology it is becoming more and more viable. That soon we are gonna see. It's just a speculation. It's not something out of thin air. Yes. The signs are there that soon we are gonna see a company. Run by a person and it's gonna be a billion dollar company. So we are living in those times where you don't have any excuse. Yeah. The only excuse is yourself. If you're not able to achieve anything that you think that you are, that's your calling, that's your purpose. Things that you're passionate about. If you're not able to do it, it's only'cause of you and nobody else. It's not the money anymore. It's not the people around you. It's not the access of resources that you require, nothing of that so it is you it is me. And I tell this to myself every day that I couldn't do certain tasks. It has nothing to do with how busy I was. It's just that me. Yeah. I see yeah, of course. The upside is huge. Yeah. So is the downside, but yeah you gotta think positive.
Brooke:Yeah.
Umer:You're not supposed to fear it. You gotta start learning it, you start adapting it. And there's gonna be learning curve initially, and it's gonna be difficult as humans. We hate being in uncomfortable positions. Without pain there is no growth. We all know that. So time to take action.
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Umer:Yeah. It's simple. It has always been like that. So we were really good with computers as compared to our parents.'cause we open eyes and in times where computer already existed. So we saw those things. Growing up we started playing with computers, with mouse and keyboards. Video games. So our environment had those gadgets. And if you compare it with our parents and generation before us it was all alien to them, Right? And then the beautiful thing is we sometimes believe that, hey, this has a lot to do with the parenting, stuff parenting methods and techniques and all of that. Yes, to a certain degree, of course. A kid who is not aware of what technologies exists And hasn't experienced it firsthand, would never understand what it is. And is gonna be way behind as compared to the kids, like, who grew up and see all those things and and has been playing within those things, of yes. But at the same time i think currently the generation, which is growing up in this ecosystem is gonna be far more i must say, I don't wanna say intelligent, they're not gonna be intelligent. I think human intelligence is gonna go down, but they're far more smarter in terms of getting their goals. Okay. As compared to us. And the main reason is that they know how to use. Certain tools to get certain things as humans grow up. They develop ego, they develop certain habits. And those habits they're stuck to you. And it's so difficult to change as you grow older. So you try and avoid adopt new things. That's nothing but human nature. I think so the next generation is gonna, always gonna find a shortcut'cause that's what they have already tasted.
Brooke:Okay.
Umer:But of course, like I said, it has got an upside and it has got a downside. And as we see it right now, everyone is looking for shortcuts. They're gonna earn success pretty easily and they're gonna lose it pretty easily, super fast. So it's gonna be going up super fast. And if you're not putting in the work, and if you're not used to it it's going down super fast too. Or somebody else is going way faster, way higher than you are. So that's the race that I see. But the important thing is for me as a parent, and then you touched upon kids this is something which is gonna be their world. That's their oyster. Yeah. It's for me it's, um The only thing that I can do is introduce them to, and that's what I did with my kid. So there's a project that I do with my kids every month. I give them a topic, not necessarily tech topic. But any topic in life. It could be political geopolitical geographical and emerging tech human sciences. I just give them any topic and they present to me and my wife. And then I, read about them, we give them score. Wow. And then on, base off that presentation they can read out through a paper. They can give a complete presentation. It can be exem poor, they can seek anybody's help. So there's no restriction, but they have to present it in front of us, all of us. Wow. So they do that. And my kid, the one that you saw and then you present it in front of everyone? I never got a name like, deep into about AI or any of the technology. I just, in around 2022 or maybe early 2023, I just gave them a project like, hey there's a thing called ai. You gotta go research and give us. Next week it's gonna presentation on that. Wow. so from that point onward he got obsessed with it. And then he ventured into it himself. So all the tools that he's using that he's shared with everyone, it was all his research. Cool. So he went online and he did all of that and he's playing with it. I've never forced him to do anything. So as a parent it's very important that we introduce them and let them be supervise how they approach things. Yes, of course they're gonna be questions. Our job is to answer those question. And, and the biggest thing that we can do right now is with all of that's the easy part. the hard part is the mindset. I think we all need to work on the mindset of our kids right now because I think that is more important than anything else. As parents, as elders as siblings if you're an older sibling and you have younger ones, it's our job.'Cause this technology is so powerful in both meanings good and bad. And it's so easy to get lost with the kind of power that you feel while using this. And without knowing if you're not like, conscious enough and aware, self aware enough, and. Aware of the consequences. It can take you really far on the dark side. Yeah. So for me, nowadays they're already, they have access to internet, they have access to everything. But there are certain rules that, and protocols in in my house that they cannot access it in their rooms. Okay. So they, they're not allowed to use mobile phones or laptops in rooms. It happens in the living area, in the lounge area. That's my rule Because it has to be supervised. Yeah. So that's what I believe, but then the most time that I spend with my kids is on now their mindset. That's the reality of it. I show them how important it is that life's not gonna be easy with all the tools that they're getting. Yes. They're still gonna need a lot of hard work, perseverance, and the most important thing, discipline. So I try and inculcate those values. I try and inculcate how they're gonna be, still gonna be challenges. I work on those then like in a technology'cause as you discussed earlier they're gonna get better than I am in technology and how to use the technology.
Brooke:I love that. I had the opportunity to touch a little bit more about that and parenting because I think it's such an important topic right now. So thank you for sharing that. My next segue is going to be a little bit. Fun I get to ask everybody I interview. Because You are already creating a lot and you've been in the space for a while, but what is not out there yet? And if you could wave a magic wand and create something, maybe you've seen the capabilities out there more than most. If you could create anything right now, what would you put out there using ai?
Umer:Wow. That is such a good question. That is such a good question. I think the most common answer is gonna be portals.
Brooke:Portals. Yeah.
Umer:Portals. I think time traveling. Or moving from one point to the other by just stepping into a vortex or a portal. Think just like in Star Trek or all that. So we used to watch as growing up, so that was really fascinating. I think that is something that
Brooke:can happen.
Umer:Yeah, can definitely happen Yeah. the way science is. Now they have been able to move I think a quantum, atom and they have been able to like, move it from one space to the other. And the experiments are going on. But interesting fact is yes. Time travel portal. Yeah. and that's the most common.
Brooke:Yeah. I think with this technology and this empowerment, I see advancements in the medical field and so if I had to wave a magic wand, I like to answer differently for every guest. I think just lately being in Bali and surrounded by so much pollution, I know that there are already solutions out there to turning plastic into oil and things of that nature. I think that now that we have the. Technology and the tools to use AI for good, and how do we solve real world problems like trash and pollution and infrastructure. It's just so prevalent in my mind while here in Bali. But I think we're at time and I just wanna thank you so much for sharing more about your background, how you came into ai. And the most important thing that really hit me today was just the mindset shift that we all need to take and with ourselves and. Our teams and with the future generations. So I just really appreciate your time today and I wanna just open the floor for any closing remarks and how can listeners get in contact with you? What's the best way to reach you?
Umer:Yeah. Through social media. You can connect either LinkedIn, Instagram, as well Not on snapchat or anything. So my name is oer, UMER. Hadeed, H-A-D-E-E-D so you can search Umer Hadeed Yes. on any of these platforms. You can send a dm, you can reach out to me and then if you have any query, if I can be of any help I would love to so that's my calling too, so yeah, would love to connect with you all. Thank you for having me, Brooke. Yes. And my last leaving note would be like, it's important. To when, when we are making a decision is to be okay with the worst case scenario. And and if you're okay with the worst case scenario, then go for it. Yeah. And right now the important thing is, and I've seen this example in front of me and then I would share it with everyone. It's time to take action. We are living in times where if you know everything. It doesn't matter. Unless, or until you're taking actions. Yes. So for you, for me, for everybody else who's listening and around us it's important that you start applying what you know. Because if you're not gonna apply, you're not gonna know what, where it needs fixing how better You need it. And how badly you need it. And what are the changes that you need to make, to improve? So that's as important. Yeah, right now.
Brooke:Very beautiful. Last point indeed. So thank you so much Umer. I appreciate you.
Umer:Thank you for having me, Brooke. It was lovely chatting with you.
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