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Conscious Co-Creation and Leadership with AI (Live from Miami)

• Brooke Gramer • Season 1 • Episode 25

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Welcome back to How I AI. I’m your host, Brooke Gramer. Today I’m sharing something special.. a panel recorded live in Miami on August 7th at an event I co-hosted and moderated called Conscious Co-Creation and Leadership with AI. 

This wasn’t your typical tech talk. The panel opened with my co-host, Marian Bacol, leading the room through a somatic breathing exercise and introducing her new project, the Nervana app: A tool designed to regulate the nervous system in an age where AI is moving faster than our bodies can keep up.

From there, the conversation unfolded into a mix of bold ideas and grounded perspectives. You’ll hear:
 Osiris Santos on sovereignty, why he doesn’t fully trust AI even as he builds with it, and how he once used AI to represent himself in a lawsuit and won.
Jonathan Barry on how AI felt like a kundalini awakening that unleashed his creativity, and how he’s building The Deal Machine to transform investor relations.
– My reflections on ethical leadership, education, and why critical thinking will be the differentiator in an AI-driven future.

We explored questions like:
– How can leaders create with AI responsibly when the pressure to move fast is overwhelming?
– Are we at risk of becoming cognitively lazy by outsourcing too much to machines?
– What does the future of education look like in an AI world, and what can we learn from models like Alpha School?

The episode closes with a dynamic audience Q&A on data privacy, surveillance, and how founders can stay resilient when AI is evolving faster than their ideas.

Concepts Mentioned:

  • Nervana App – AI-Guided Somatic therapy sessions
  • The Deal Machine – an AI-powered investor relations platform
  • Hack Your Education – Jonathan Barry’s book on project-based learning
  • Scaling Responsible AI: From Enthusiasm to Execution, Book by Noelle Russell
  • Alpha School – a new model of education expanding to Florida

If you’re curious about how to balance innovation with integrity or if you’re interested in curating panels and programming like this for your company, community, or conference then reach out to me directly below.

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Brooke:

Welcome to How I AI the podcast featuring real people, real stories, and real AI in action. I'm Brooke Gramer, your host and guide on this journey into the real world impact of artificial intelligence. For over 15 years, I've worked in creative marketing events and business strategy, wearing all the hats. I know the struggle of trying to scale and manage all things without burning out, but here's the game changer, AI. This isn't just a podcast. How I AI is a community, a space where curious minds like you come together, share ideas, and I'll also bring exclusive discounts, and insider resources, because AI isn't just a trend, it's a shift, and the sooner we embrace it, the more freedom, creativity, and opportunities will unlock. How I AI is brought to you in partnership with the Collective AI, a space designed to accelerate your learning and AI adoption. I joined the collective and it's completely catapulted my learning, expanded my network, and showed me what's possible with AI. Whether you're just starting out, seeking community or want done for you solutions, the collective gives you the resources to grow your business with AI. So stay tuned to learn more at the end of this episode, or check my show notes for my exclusive invite link.. Welcome back to How I AI. I'm your host, Brooke Gramer. Today I'm sharing something special, a panel recorded live in Miami on August 7th at an event I co-hosted and moderated called Conscious Co-Creation and Leadership with AI. This wasn't your typical tech talk. We opened with somatic breathing practices led by my co-host, Marian Bacol. She also introduced her new project, the Nervana app. It's an AI powered tool for nervous system regulation and guided healing. She shared why this kind of grounding is so important in the age of AI where there is so much fear and led the audience through short breathing exercises that honestly helped me right before I stepped on stage. In this episode, you'll hear panel highlights from Osiris Santos, Jonathan Barry, and myself. Osirus was actually featured on episode two of How I AI, so if you haven't checked out his episode, scroll back and give it a listen. And Jonathan Barry impressed me with his vision for conscious leadership and his work in education, which is a theme I'll be diving into more on the show soon. Together we tackled the big questions. What does it mean to scale responsibly with ai? How do we prevent cognitive laziness when answers are cheap? Where has AI given you fear, made you feel afraid, and what role will education play when schools like Alpha are re-imagining learning entirely? These are the conversations I love to curate, not just on this podcast, but also like the live events and panels I design. If you're interested in partnering on thought provoking programming like this for your company, your community or conference, reach out to me below. Quick note before we dive in. The first couple minutes of audio, sound isn't great, but don't worry, it settles in at about the three minute mark. Just so you know, I edit and produce this show myself using De Script. I've been self-teaching podcast production this year, and I run the whole thing solo to this point. If you're ever curious about learning how to use Descript, feel free to reach out. I'm also always open to sponsors and partners who want to elevate the production quality of How I AI while being represented to an audience of founders, creators and innovators. Thank you as always for tuning in and being a part of this journey with me. Alright, let's dive into this special highlight episode of How I AI.

Marian:

Alright. So conscious co-creation and leadership with ai. How does this go together and how this came about for me because i've been on the personal development spiritual journey I've adopted ai, and as I've thought about the intersection of people using ai, you hear a lot of people talking about really fears because technology is moving faster right than ever before and as human beings. Our bodies haven't really caught up to that quite yet because it's moving exponentially. So we get dysregulated and conscious. Really, the meaning of conscious is awareness, and we'll be talking about some of the fears, that people come up with when it comes to ai. We wanna have a really beautiful conversation on how it's really the tool behind it. So when we have more conscious, self-aware, regulated human beings behind it, right prompting, it really gives us an opportunity to scale with ai, with so much more purpose, really focused on humanity and really driving it forward. So yeah. Welcome. Little bit about me. I am the CEO and founder of Thriver Lifestyle. I focus on nervous system regulation somatic practices healing, and I actually started building an AI wellness tech app that makes nervous system regulation, somatic healing, so much more accessible to people because we have so many things coming at us, we're so dysregulated, so I wanted to do a brief, practice, give you some tools on nervous system regulation in the age of ai because when you're regulated, you can innovate a, a place of possibilities. So when fears come out about ai, what are some things that people say? I'd love to hear. What are some it's gonna take over? Yeah. What else? You're gonna lose your job. Yes. What other things come up with people? Like all these bots are gonna take over all of these things. And as I mentioned earlier. Our technology is moving so much faster, but our bodies, our organic bodies are not. So with all of these things coming at us, especially, I've talked to experts in AI and they're like, yeah, I'm also dysregulated because it's moving so fast, right? ChatGPT just announced, you know, five, right? And it's what is this like competition? And so your body whew. It freezes flights, oh, sorry. flight, freeze fight. So here are a few things that you can do and these practices, these tools. Can help you in all aspects of your life. Our entire world so focuses on the mind. But the key is actually in the body, so when we are able to move through these things, these fears, these overwhelms from our body, you can utilize ai, you can utilize technologies to better your lives personally, professionally. And I'm gonna do a little practice with you, so I invite you to close your eyes. All right? Take a deep breath. Ah. Two more. There's a few of you that had really shallow breath. Deep breath in and release it out. Open mouth. Sigh ha. One last time. Deep inhale in. Ah, and when I ask this question, I want you to just notice where in your body you're feeling something. Where has AI given you fear, made you feel, afraid, made you feel overwhelmed? Perhaps a thought of getting replaced or losing your job? Perhaps it is taking over the world and humanity's gone and notice where it is in your body. And when you take a deep breath, and I want you to really push this, exhale out, push this energy as if you're taking this energy out from wherever you feel it. Let's say it's in your stomach. Whew. And you can actually take your hands and like you're pushing it away, pushing the energy away. You are like, let it go. There's a lot of practices where you can shake off that fear. You can shake off whatever it is because. Fears are just circulating. Energy is also in your head. It could be a fear of a relationship ending, a fear of, you know, death. But when we keep it in and we circulate it, then it stays in our body, it collects in our body. So when we actually move with the intention of thinking of what that fear is and pushing it away, we, can energetically, and this is actually backed by neuroscience because a lot of what we feel. From our nervous system, our nerves get fed into our brain, the things that we think about most. We create new neuro pathways in our head if we keep thinking about it. So we need to think differently. And now just think of your world. It doesn't have to be the perfect world, but the world where we are consciously co-creating with ai. There's technologies that are helping us clean the pollution problem. Technologies that are helping with hunger, with, all of these real life problems that humanity has with the people behind it. Just the fact that you're all here means that you are thinking about these things and you're concerned. So hopefully those tools help you out. So I want to welcome my amazing co-host, Brooke Gramer. We actually met because she was a marketing director at Arlo, and I used to do a lot of events at the Arlo Hotel in Wynwood, and I just loved how she communicated. She was sharp, she was on top of it. So she is now the host of How I AI and she interviews amazing experts from all over the world. She had just interviewed someone from Germany on how they're using it actually for really cool and innovative things. And she also does a lot of marketing strategy with the use of ai. So I'm gonna welcome Brooke up to the stage. Thank you so much, Brooke. Thank you.

Brooke:

As my amazing co-host mentioned, my name is Brooke Gramer. I am the host of the How AI podcast, where I interview people weekly about these amazing conversations and what they're doing in AI and how they're individually adapting it. I'm so honored to welcome our incredible panelists today. I'd like to introduce Osiris Santos. He's a multidisciplinary strategist, an AI transformation leader known for blending enterprise precision with soulful purpose-driven design. He's the creator of the Art of Being Useful, a human-centered framework for thriving in an automated world. Welcome, Osiris. Our next. Panelists is Jonathan Barry. He is a futurist and impact investor working at the intersection of exponential tech, human potential, and planetary regeneration as the founder of the Future House Advisory. And thank you so much for being here, Jonathan. Welcome. My pleasure. So Marian did such a great job opening the space and saying why we're all here and what our fears might be when it comes around ai. I thought I would open up the space reading an excerpt from a book I'm reading actually, one of my last conversations I had speaking about women in tech. I got to meet this woman named Noelle Russell. You might have heard of her. She just was the keynote speaker at Mindvalley's seminar that they did about ai. So she wrote a book called Scaling Responsible ai, and I just wanna open this space with an excerpt from her book, chapter 14, the Future of AI Leadership Transforming Potential into Power. The Future of Artificial Intelligence is brimming with a tremendous potential, yet fraught with sobering risks. As AI continues, its meteoric rise reshaping industry after industry, a new breed of leaders is needed to harness its world altering power ethically, we stand at a pivotal crossroads where the decisions made today will determine if AI propels humanity upward through a new Renaissance, or plunges us downward into a high tech dystopia to navigate this landscape, AI leaders must chart the course ahead with vision, values, and an unwavering commitment to responsibility and accountability. Now is the time for bold ethical leadership to transform AI's raw potential into solutions that serve the greater good. The very future of our civilization hinges on leaders who recognize that with the power of AI comes a profound obligation to use it wisely. I think that is a a beautiful way to open the space because we have incredible leaders here So my first question, going off of what I just shared and the reason why we're all here today, what does it really mean to use AI consciously and how do you personally define or embody that? Osirus. If you could expand as much as you would like to about what you're doing now and AI and then leading in to our first question, which is, what does it really mean to consciously use ai?

Osiris:

All right, what am I doing now? So with ai, I do a lot of consulting for enterprise companies. Like I work with a lot of big banks and financial institutions like US Bank, Bank of America, JP Morgan, all the big banks. And yeah, I'm in a funny space with a lot of them because we do, we're going on the steps of how everything works in regular world. So we start with ethics and governance, and then we get into like where we can implement stuff. But I think that's a funny space because we're already too far gone beyond the any governance. You're never gonna catch up. So I'm probably on the darker side of these thoughts. Yeah, I think as far as consciousness it's an interesting thing because. It's a cool tool. Like you can move faster, you can do cooler things. You have the illusion of like your brain always being on and going. And consciousness, where does that come in? So in a lot of my work outside of just design and tech I do run a men's group also, and one of the things that we stand for is sovereignty. So as far as ai, I think it's one of those. It's a technology that's allowing us to really dive deeper into questioning, like where we stand on any of that. Like I don't trust anything about AI at all. Like I work at some pretty high levels with it, but but yeah, sovereignty is more important to me. So how we use it to be able to be more sovereign and apply the same thing that I do in law taxes for my business. And I just try to make life better that way. Outside of that consciousness is something that I'm still, i'm in a case study of watching the world and seeing how everybody's using it.'cause I feel like we're all going and very different directions. There's a lot of like high hopes and big dreams. But the reality of it is like this is part of a commerce game. And when you get into that game the human side kind of starts to fade. And as much as we want it and we dream for it, and we have all these good aspirations, I also think that we've already gone far. We're already moving way too far for things to catch up. So I'm enjoying the ride. Let's see what happens. Thank

Brooke:

you, Osiris. Jonathan?

Jonathan Barry:

Yeah. I would say we're definitely approaching the event horizon of the great Awakening of the infinite. Intelligence and being able to interact with the cosmos in ways beyond our wildest imagination. I know for me since the moment that I started effing around and finding out with ai I, from the very beginning, I was like questioning the way that my mind would think and the way that I would prompt the AI because really only is limited by our own capability to ask the right question and to prompt the right context. And so I remember there was this moment where I started realizing like, well, what are the different ways of thinking? What are, what's the different types of logic? And I went really deep. If you were to go back into my chat at the very beginning, you would see a lot about logic and thought, because I was like, well, wait a second. What am I not asking properly? How can I ask better? And so that was like my first, one of the first ahas the very first aha was this almost like kundalini like awakening, where all of a sudden I felt truly limitless. I was no longer bound by the small language model of my own brain. And it was this relief, it was this somatic release of just like finally I can give birth to what is inside of me that wants to come out and is bound by these fingertips. So ever since then, my life has just been like exponentially epic from a creative standpoint. And so I've been helping companies raise capital for the last eight years. I host events around the world. I often say that my job is to track the migratory patterns of billionaires and throw really good parties there. And lately, over the last six months or so I decided that I was going to build an ai. That would take my job before somebody else took, created an AI that took my job. So I was gonna be proactive and then like a hundred x my capability of doing my job. So I have built my first AI product, first successful one. My, my first one was pre-chat, GBT. I tried to launch an AI company, epic Fail. But this one's actually working. I found product market fit. It's called the Deal Machine, and we're using generative AI to help companies raise capital. It's an investor relations platform. So how, if you've ever, who here has tried to raise money for an idea or a startup, so you know how hard it is. To follow up with all your investor leads and try to keep them engaged and keep them interested and educate them. So that's what we've built as a platform to do that. Yeah, that's a little highlight about me.

Brooke:

Thank you. Some really key points here. I'd love comparing AI as a kundalini awakening. I think I'm gonna use that moving forward. And. You made such a key point, Jonathan, about this fork in the road of when chat GPT started, and now we're all finding ourselves as accidental entrepreneurs with this amazing technology. My next question there's a lot of fear around AI replacing human talent, but we're also seeing beautiful examples of how it can unlock new levels of creativity and impact. I know we have a lot of creatives in the room tonight. In your own work or industry, where have you seen AI enhance human potential rather than replace it?

Osiris:

All right. So enhancement, almost everywhere, right? Like information is free. So if you didn't know anything, like you can access it with the right question. The idea that it's the whole taking your job thing and all that it's only a matter of time, so I don't even wanna sugarcoat it. Yeah, it, we can, again it's only a better time. I feel like we're programming our end but oh my gosh, you can take advantage as much as you can right now. Like the conscious part is like you can go get a job. Or you can create your own thing now, like anything you want. And I think right now to your point on, on, on that crossroad there it's everybody's game right now to do that and, it's gonna lean one way or the other. So the conscious part is how many of us are gonna lean any which way. Like for me, I've been playing with AI before it got popular when we didn't call it that we had machine learning and all these other aspects of it. And yeah, I think it's gonna get better. I think it's just a up to you to make the choice of like where you're gonna go with it and how much you're really gonna own it.'cause that fear, that a lot of people talk about, it's just a lot of times it's just your own fear of like the thing that you're probably really good at, and you're just stopping yourself from it. So just don't let the fear take over.

Brooke:

We're here to have a dynamic conversation.

Jonathan Barry:

You know, I'm a daily meditator, highly meditated. And one of the great benefits of meditation is actually gaining insights and downloads. Downloads, who's got downloads? Yeah. Yes. And you have that aha moment, right? And it's like you become one with the universe. You tap into the infinite timelines, the infinite trajectories, and you're like yeah, I'm gonna go for the one where AI doesn't take over the world and destroy humanity. I'm gonna actually create heaven on earth. Yeah, that I like that one. And so you double click on that and all of a sudden you start having these amazing revelations. And insights about how you can contribute to that reality and you start talking about it to people. Because in the end, all we need to do once AI takes all of our jobs is just be humans, right? We get to just be human. We don't have to stare at the screen anymore, right? We don't have to be enslaved to the dopamine hits. We get that from hugs and connection. But we gotta get there. We gotta do the work to get there. So you start sharing your insight, your revelation with people. This is what I did when I built my AI company. I had this idea and it was constantly hunting me like it was there. It was just, it was like it wanted to come through me, and I just didn't have the capability. And the AI had not caught up yet, but the moment it did, which by the way, it has. And it's waiting for you. The moment it did, I just I would have the meeting. You have a phone call, you have a Zoom call. You record it, and then you turn that into a presentation, a proposal. I almost do that on every call. Just record it, send them a summary of the meeting with a, as a proposal boom, make it a habit. It's like gold. And so I, I downloaded my vision, my idea for the deal machine, my AI product, and I put it into a document, and then I started pitching it over and over again. And I think I, after maybe like the fifth or seventh time presenting at someone, they said yes. To paying me on a monthly retainer to build this thing for their company. Now, I didn't necessarily tell them that I was building this with the intention of scaling it to the moon and bringing on hundreds if not thousands of new clients, which we're still at our first handful of clients right now tuning the instrument. But it's coming alive and so really, it's like there's so many solutions that need to be created and you have a unique perspective that no one else has. And so this is an opportunity for you to really tune in and not get overwhelmed by all the innovation, but rather like tune into what is that the universe is telling you it wants to create through you and then start to observe and start, and at the same time, relentlessly study ai.

Brooke:

Thank you so much, Jonathan. I feel like Osirus wanted to redeem himself a little bit there. Oh

Osiris:

we're good on the redeeming. Look I'm dark about ai, but that's just me being protective of myself. But don't get it twisted. You could create a lot of stuff. I'm not here because. I haven't done anything with ai I've literally redesigned my whole life with it. When I first got into what we're calling AI now was like a, maybe like a little five years ago at a AI startup, and it really didn't hit like I didn't really get into AI until I was in a jam where I was in a lawsuit and I used AI to be my lawyer because the bills were just getting crazy and I won. Just to outside of the doom and gloom, like you can literally do anything you want, like everybody's right on this. I'm a designer by trade, so you can build websites, apps. I've already built probably like five apps that are in the app store in the last three years. Wow. So yeah, you can do anything. Just, be mindful that's really the big thing for

Brooke:

me. Thank you. My next question, there's a growing conversation around how AI might be making us cognitively lazy, who in their room feels like they're already having a hard time writing their own emails and thinking for themselves because of ai. Okay. It's not just me. Great. That maybe outsourcing too much to machines could weaken our critical thinking. So with that in mind, because we are in power here, right? We are the ones. That are sovereign leaders. How do we stay sharp, ask better questions, and use AI to expand our thinking rather than dull it?

Jonathan Barry:

Yeah, I think that I'm blown away witnessing the next. Gen the younger generation to my generation, our generation mindlessly doom scrolling. The I was on a flight this morning from DC to Miami and I was reflecting on when I was a young man flying on these planes, and I was remembering that I didn't have a phone, neither did the person next to me. And we didn't even necessarily have iPods or like the things, that to distract us. We were sitting next to each other for a long time and you can't read the little threefold thing anymore. Like you, you talk to people and you engage. And it was like this fantasy memory of like meeting new people on a flight and actually connecting with them. It was a thing and now it's not. I don't know about you guys, but I think it's like completely evaporated. So we've really gotten cut off from each other and I do see the cognitive decline of people's. Capacity to be conscious. I know for myself, to stay awake is challenging. I dedicated my life to waking up and staying awake. And yet my compulsive need to check my Instagram is like ridiculous. It's oh my God. So I think that like we have to be spending more time using AI and less time looking at Instagram or X or whatever you watch. It's so important to invest more time into learning and questioning your way of perceiving reality. Because my anxiety these days, my ai anxiety comes from when there's the new ChatGPT five, and I'm like, oh no, it's even faster now. And I'm like, what do I need to relearn? How to think like I need to change the way, like it's probably already creating agents and replacing my next job without me. It's hard to fathom how. Fast. It's growing. And so it's an opportunity for us to expand our own capacity to think and to ask and question reality.

Osiris:

Yeah. I agree with everything you guys are saying, right? It just makes me think of a, I was having this conversation yesterday with without giving away the company. This person is the chief of tech and data, and also they're also the chief of hr. And a lot of you make a good points up here, right? For me, the thing that I'm seeing is like in that company specifically who I was talking to yesterday, we were having this very same conversation. It's their goal is how do we not lose anyone? In the transformation. Wow. Because they live in a very specific they live in Hawaii in a very specific location where, you have a very specific number of people on the island, so you only have so many opportunities for employment, for jobs, for everything. And we were talking about this concept of how do we get everybody to think. Like us. And I feel like this is where the sovereignty comes in and the consciousness, because you have to understand like how deep in the web you are to be able to do any of this stuff that we just said. You work in product. Like I'm a designer so I usually work with you. And that is our way of thinking. That is our job, that is design thinking. So if anything, I would suggest that people really learn to think critically. Look up design thinking. Look up user-centric thinking.'cause that's everything that we're talking about here. That's how you approach any of these problems the way we're solving them. The issue, I think for me with that question is just, it's not even about ai. We're too far gone. You're talking about screens, right? This is programming and programming over time. Like everything's a program and if everything's like a TV show, there's a lot of people bought into a certain rhythm. And for me every year I've just been looking and I'm just like, we're getting closer. We're getting closer. And yeah. So one movie I always have in my head is, Wally, do you guys remember Walle? And that's my reflection to the world. Oh, Walle World, we're almost there. We just need the chairs with the screen in front of us, right? Because look at us now, we're a lot of you walk down Wynwood, we got all this art, all this cool stuff, all this stimuli everywhere. It opens up like a bigger issue of oh, how do we do this in ai? It was like, well you're not doing it anywhere else. So it's and that, that's the trouble, like how do we get everybody on board with this For me? But everything everybody said here is a hundred percent like this is how you have to think to solve problems quicker.

Brooke:

Everybody has a different answer. So speaking to what Osirus just shared, we all think about this dystopia in this future and who cringes when they just thought about we're all sitting in chairs just staring at screens, like stuck to us. But the fact that we are all turned off by this, could potentially be our future, is a sign for optimism. Yeah. Because the moment that we are. Seeing that we're headed that way and we're turned off from it, we're going to do all that we can to make sure that's not our future. So really think of it as a sign of optimism. And I love that we talked a lot about, how we can be co-creating with ai. And we talked about the things that we're creating. And the speakers here today, like they mentioned work for some really big companies, fortune 500, fortune 100, and maybe some of you can speak to this better than others, but this really goes to that ethical question and what it means as we are creators and innovators, we carry real responsibility in shaping how this tech unfolds. And we're launching apps and we're producing amazing work. It's not just about what we can build, but it's about how we build it and who it's serving. And so when we're building and using AI how do we work human centered while we're navigating things like risk, there's privacy concerns, there's data governance. There's bias. There's so much that goes into it. Of all of these ethical questions and concerns, and how do we keep that at the forefront? And how have you done this or how have you been modeled by your clients maybe that you're working for and how it's been done in a way that is leading the space of this unchartered territory that we're in?

Osiris:

Yeah, I like everything you're talking about.'cause that is a challenge as a creator of these tools, at the base platform level. You guys have a challenge, right? When you get into more context oh, I'm gonna build it for this department or this group, then it changes a little.'cause now you can add a layer of guidance, and I feel like that's what we're missing in all of them because, but in the base platforms, you don't, it's too open. So it's like how do you guide somebody based on where they're at? And that's one of the things as a designer, like in user centric thinking that we're, we try to achieve is like, how do we capture this person exactly in the moment that they're thinking and what they're thinking about? And actually Google even has this thing called the zero moment of truth Where do you capture them in that moment where it's like that's the moment that they can make a decision on X? I feel that challenge'cause I see that in every product that we create. It's like, how do you not only keep it open, but prompt the human to think without giving them the answer either.'cause that's another one. Answers are cheap now. How do I prompt you to like, think and I feel like there's also a double-edged sword to that because some people just want the answer just get, that's why we use ChatGPT, right? It's get me there faster. I try to use it for more of the practical stuff because I feel all the idealism, I try to own that on my own because I don't know, I also try not to put too much into there unless it's a private model, but that's another story. Those who know are laughing.

Jonathan Barry:

Yeah, so I think that it comes back again to this idea of we are either a content creator or a content consumer, right? We're either consuming the information or we're creating, and I think it's very important to empower ourselves as creators because we are a reflection of the universe. The universe is creating life through you, and it is prompting reality through you. I. Swear, like I've been questioning reality so much as AI awakens and becomes like this window to the infinite for us to, prompt. And I'm always like talking to the universe. I'm like, Hey, I want this, and seeing what happens.'cause it, it is very similar. It is if you've heard of this simulation theory, it's the simulation seems very vivid lately. And so I think that there's an opportunity for us to empower those around us. If you are in this room, it means you're on the wave. You know what's up? You showed up. You could just be sitting at home watching Netflix and like zoning out. But you chose to show up and learn and to engage with other humans and not just doom, scroll on TikTok and watch other people prompting, but you are, contributing to a bigger conversation and expanding your consciousness. And that's. A good thing, right? We're doing that, we're expanding. And so that's empowering for all of us. And especially with all the screen time. But I think it's also important for us to hold our friends accountable to waking up and to like challenging our friends to being like, Hey, I noticed like you're, not really connecting with me lately. Is everything okay? Like we have to be the first responders to our friends whose minds are being hijacked by the algorithms.

Brooke:

Thank you so much for that. And this will be my final question. Maybe you all can start to think about what you wanna ask next, and we can open it up to some q and a afterwards. AI is often talked about terms of speed and scale exits, but it also has the potential to support emotional, cultural, coaching, a lot of people are using this on this more broader level. So how can AI be used not just for individual success, but for collective healing and transformation? I personally, that's exactly what I first did when I started using ChatGPT I gave it every single quiz I had ever taken, and I immediately used it as a brain of someone who knows me better than anyone. Yeah. And asked it to coach me through leaving my job because I was ready. And now that we're in this empowering state and we're using AI and ChatGPT and Claude and Google Gemini and uploading it, our personality traits and speaking to it, how do I respond back to this guy and tell, tell him thanks, but no thanks in a very polite way, this is where we're at. So how are we using this as a collective tool of healing and transformation? I just shared a little bit about my journey, but if anybody wants to share how they're using it in their own personal ways.

Osiris:

Yeah. What you just said when this first dropped, I was like, oh, cool, what else can I do? What else can I do? Can I, let me check my astrology. Is it gonna hit every day on where I'm at in the transits and all the Yes. The things, right? Human design. Let's try that thing. Let's try Myers-Briggs, let's try all these things. But then, we're, we've been speaking about ethics and governance, right? The number one usage this year has been therapy, which is wild because you all that therapy and it could be brought up in the court of law. So you gotta be careful with this stuff, right? Because yeah, it's fun, don't get me wrong. It's super fun to know this about you and not have to go pay an astrologer, but that's another thing around like the conscious co-creation, now we're talking about like health wellness. And then we have this commerce piece, which is always lingering, and that adds to everyone's survival. And we could only get away from that when we're not in survival so there's a funny balance there, but I think what I'm learning now is go more local meaning take these things off the net, put this on your computer if you want to have these private conversations, start learning about localization on your computer. Even that you gotta be careful with but yeah, on the positive side of things, just having the ability to ask. We've never been in a time where you can put your wish out in the world. And get a very simple, fast plan. And I don't mean simple and fast in the cheap way. You will get something, right? Like you're going to get an output. So if you want to use this consciously, take advantage of that, if you want to get off philosophical or astrological, right? We're in the age of Aquarius. This is a very technological time and if it's not clear yet, we are at that point where it's the probably the only opportunity you're ever gonna get to make a decision as to where this is gonna go. Because coming up soon, you're gonna be missing that part. That's gonna pass us by so really take advantage of this moment because there's no other time in like history for this. Yes. That you can just do whatever you want and create it.

Jonathan Barry:

Yeah. I think that in a time like this, we really get to choose whether we're gonna be like the main character or an NPC. You guys know what the an NPC is? Yes. N PC's non-player character versus the main character Alright. Of the simulation. You get to choose. So you can live your life as if you were the superhero here to save the day. And there's a lot of problems that need to be solved. Yeah. Like the world really needs us to show up and so this is an initiation for all of us to really take our power back. And it's waiting for you. It's waiting to support you, and we just have to have that own transformation and let go of whatever it was that, held us back from stepping into our power. And so this is the beginning of the golden age. This is the beginning of heaven on Earth. It's gonna get dark because everyone's gonna think that they're losing their job, but then all of a sudden they're losing their job to their dream. Or at least that's the reality I'm choosing to live in. I'm not giving my power away to the Netflix dark story. I'm not giving my power away to a negative reality that everyone says, oh, according to statistics, everyone's job's gonna be replaced and it's gonna be chaos and economic singularity, and like I'm just choosing to create the reality that I want to live in. And but in order to do that, you have to become the content creator of that timeline, which is scary because you don't know what it is until you ask yourself what is the prompt that you want to see in the world? You have to create the prompt. And I'm not talking like a little simple, like what is the meaning of life prompt and using deep research. I'm talking like, like deep discourse. Deep discipline of self-exploration and separating yourself from the ego doing this self-development work to be able to actually sit in meditation and watch the monkey mind and separate yourself from the compulsive need to pick up your phone and check it. And so there's that inner work so that we can show up to do our outer work. And the technology has awakened to support you in that fulfillment.

Brooke:

I like that reframe. Thank you all so much. We're gonna open it up to Q and a now. Alright. We already have one question.

guest:

So, hi everyone. So really appreciate you guys coming out here and sharing this with us. Something that I did notice is that ethics and balance has been more so at the center of this conversation. But with accessibility also, in my opinion, and more of a doomsday sort of person comes surveillance. Personally I deleted my Instagram. I don't want meta to have my information we have yet to have a government that privatizes or essentially has control of everyone's IP and all of their data. How can someone prepare? How can one protect yourself from that?

Jonathan Barry:

I'm sure you know a lot about many of the apps that are coming out that are about like, protecting your identity and you can remove stuff from the internet and I think that's gonna be an increasingly important thing to think about. As all the deep fakes come out and your deep fake is calling your grandma, asking her for money. God, it's gonna be wild, right? I was just hanging out with the eighth employee of Cisco Systems this past weekend, hanging out at Brock Pierce's house. He's the co-founder of Tether in DC And these guys like mega geniuses, these guys work telling me about this new programming language that's gonna take over SQL or something like that, where basically it's like every line of data on the internet in the future will be on chain and you'll be able to see the history of that one line on the internet and when it was actually changed. Wow. And that could be images as well. And these guys are creating this new language. So I think there's a future for that. I think that people will vote with their attention. So if there's like a trusted platform we'll all just go there because it'll be better and safer for all of us. And then eventually all the fake stuff will just not get our attention anymore.'cause there's gonna be so much good content quality, proven safe content that, in the future we'll know where to look and know if it's real or not, hopefully.

Osiris:

Yeah. I think to your original question yeah. The technology's not gonna help you. That's not gonna be your friend in this. If you want to be private, you need to consciously be private. You need to make every conscious decision to erase what you can Look, we could have all these fun ideas to be honest, but they're ideas and the reality is. Ethics and governance is like about five to 10 years behind the acceleration of which we are moving with this technology. So look, it's amazing. Don't get me wrong. It's fun. I have a lot of fun with this. It's with a lot of caution. And if you want to play on that sovereignty route, I have multiple computers. The computer I use my AI with is not the computer where I do my banking. It's not the computer where I do my private ideas. It's not the computer where I share my ideas with the world. So, when I talk about sovereignty, it's a really serious choice because. Beyond if we're talking about consciousness, we gotta be real about go beyond the fun ideas and the optimism. We gotta be realistic. And sovereignty is a hard path when you don't want to be seen because it takes a lot more work to detangle what you've created in this very technological world so from a consciousness perspective, you need to really be honest with yourself beyond what could be awesome. That's why outside of ai, you see a wave of people are like, oh, I want to get a farm. I want to disconnect from the world, right? I do too. I haven't unplugged yet because. It's a lot of work. Just, but to that question right there, like it takes a lot of conscious peeling back and you can't convenience your way into privacy. So consciousness. Is your biggest like ally here and then your willpower to actually pull through with that thing is gonna be the next step,

Marian:

we have another question

amy:

I feel like this kind of dovetails off the conversation we were having around social skills. I'm curious what your takes are on the future of education with ai. I'm in a lot of these conversations and with the collective and we never talk about it. It's interesting because we, some of us, most of us maybe all of us went to school, some of us have natural social skills. I'm in sales, I've got the gift of gab, I sell ai and I just recently listened to a not a Ted, a workshop, we'll just say on the jobs that aren't going to exist pretty soon. Yep. Dev recruiting, like all this stuff and it's okay, people went to school for that and then it's not gonna exist. And then these young kids, it's is college even gonna be a thing for them? Because we don't even know what the jobs are gonna be. Is it gonna be mostly ai? I just I'm so interested in this topic and I want your take on it because 20 years from now, like when my little nephew is going to college, if he goes to college, I'm like, what is education going even look like? Because jobs are switching so much now, you may not need to go to school for product or whatnot.

Brooke:

I actually wanna start with this first because Marian and I had this exact conversation just yesterday as we were preparing for this talk. And as I was going through this book and just thinking of my speaking points there's an amazing section in here where it just talks about all of the ways that we need to be mitigating risk and bias and all the things we've spoken about today, and just think about how that's gonna shape our HR department. Think how that's gonna shape just the way that we work in the world. There's gonna be all of these jobs, and to your point, it's behind by 10 years, five years, right? Those are all gonna be new jobs. There's gonna be people in charge of risk management and making sure that we're not having cultural bias in the workforce or with our products and apps that we're releasing. So it's not about what are we going to learn? It's shifting the roles into different ways that we haven't even seen come out yet. And just like we no longer use the calculator and absolutely whatever ChatGPT can help you with right now, you need to learn something that's more useful and it's gonna be how we are as society and a culture integrating and adapting, these privacy concerns. Everything that we've talked about today, this is our role and our responsibility, and these are gonna be our new jobs.

Osiris:

I will say HR is literally one of the, what is it? The hanging fruit. Low hanging fruit. So far I've rebuilt like we've gutted HR in a few companies already. That was one of the first few projects I did was, Hey, let's replace hr, recruiters. Now I'm showing them how to do their job and survive and building the AI for them to survive for whatever little time they have. You talk about education not too long ago, I talked to a bunch of university, like Ivy League schools telling them, scaring them out of what they're doing. Because Yeah, when information's free, right? So, school, I think we're gonna have to rethink school, right now I see we're putting all these fun little programs to catch you cheating on ai, which is like, all right, kids are gonna figure that out. You got that one kid, he got kicked out of Columbia because he made that app cheat on anything. And it's an awesome app. But I think, catch a trade. We need plumbers. We need electricians, doctors. I don't know what's up with doctors. That might be replaced too because I work with, you ever heard of arthrex? We work on surgical tools and surgical robotics. I just built an AR robot that helps build more accuracy and total arthroplasty, like when you get a shoulder reconstruction. So before we were able to have a window of error where basically you get reduced range of motion from five to eight. And we brought it down with ar, ai and a bunch of other fun techie words. Brought it down to two to four degrees, meaning like that's a huge improvement for post-surgery.

Jonathan Barry:

Well, that's really cool you did that. I might need one of those on my shoulder, but like when I'm like 80. Okay. So I actually wrote a book called Hack Your Education, pre-chat GBT, just for the record. And basically it is, I believe it is the solution. And it's a mindset when you go into school, I think we do need school. School is basically babysitters for young adults. It's where we go to do social stuff. We still need social stuff. We gotta learn how to connect with people and be friends. We need that. And we want to go to school and learn. We don't wanna just sit and look at a computer screen and like download like the matrix. Like I know how to fly helicopters and do kung fu. It's like we want to engage and learn through participation. Yes. So my book Hack Your Education is about how I. Had a near death experience, had an awakening, asked myself what's my purpose in my life, and then eventually what's purpose in my education. And then I started using my homework assignments and combining them from different courses. And I wrote a business plan that got funding for a million dollar recording studio when I was 21. And that's how I manifested my first million dollar company with my homework. And I walked into a room, a lecture hall filled with students who were all doing the same task, the same assignment. And I was like, oh my God. It was a neo in the matrix moment where I'm like, I just, I just hacked my education. So that is the idea is go into school, like your teacher's job is to assign you projects and tasks and your job is to do them. But what I teach students is to negotiate with your professors to modify your homework assignments so that they fit your personal goals. But if you don't have a goal, you are an education consumer, not an education creator. You're a content consumer, right? And so it's a shift in mindset to take the initiative to become the prompt of what you want to learn about what you want to create about. So that's my thesis.

Brooke:

I wanna piggyback on that because I just recalled there's a school founded in Texas. It's called Alpha School, and they're actually expanding to Florida. They're in Palm Beach now. They're coming to Miami. They're actually doing orientations. If anybody has children sign up and go to their orientation, and they do just that. They give them project based. Learning. And they really quickly learn their studies. And then they break out and actually do physical interactions. So they're building those real life personal social skills that are so needed, but they're able to really quickly a bridge and they don't hold them back by age. A class. If someone accelerates faster, they move up. And so it's this new method of learning Alpha school, if you all wanna look into it. It's expanding to Miami. So again, bringing Great hope.

Marian:

We have a final question

guest 5:

Um, so you've been talking about becoming your own prompt and I think everyone's been talking about like how they bring value to the world. I'm a new founder trying to build an idea, but it feels like any minute, like my idea can become obsolete because maybe like ChatGPT can do exactly what I'm thinking about. So what thoughts do you give to someone like me trying to take that creator role, but feeling like you're just drinking from a fire hose and it's hard to make good decisions, even like on a week by week basis?

Marian:

I actually have an answer for this. I wanna, I just wanna tune in because I'm also a founder creating an AI wellness tech app and a lot of people have ideas. But it's actually the execution that matters because a lot of ideas are always happening. The difference between what we would call successful versus not is the execution. And when you execute, it's just the iteration of it. Frank and I were having a conversation that because it's so easy to create things now you can vibe code, you can create it. The difference is not if you can build, it's are you able to bring the community in to actually use it? How will you have the traction? I actually think that's more important because the building is the easy part, but how do you get people to buy in to using your product, to really building that community? So I think really focusing on that, don't focus on, oh, someone's gonna have this idea. They can't do it the way you can. No one can that's your genius, right? We have so many products that are a lot of the same things and people also have different preferences, let's just say meditation. Some people want Calm, some people want Headspace. Some people will do it on their own. Just find the type of people that you truly wanna serve and execute and iterate for them. And that's like your North Star, not that other people will take your ideas. But like really feel ownership and empowered that you can easily build it now, and now it's finding the people to serve.

Osiris:

Oh, I agree with you a hundred percent. The only thing I gotta add to that is, the thing that I think most people miss is, yeah. That, that keeping going part, you need endurance, right? You need the endurance to take the nose, to take the failures. You gotta stick to that one idea, like when you work at a company, you're working on that one product the whole time. You might be working on this one product for two years, more years, right? You might be working on a button, just the improvement of a button. It might take you two months to solve. What's wrong with that? Like that button bringing in someone in, and that sounds tiny, right? Like a button, but sometimes that's the min the difference of closing a hundred million or a billion with whatever workflow you're doing. So the ability to keep the endurance to, to stay working on that one thing, no matter how micro it is. That's what product building is like. That's like when you build a product, you gotta nurture that product forever. And I think as an entrepreneur sometimes it's almost like being an artist. You're like, all right, I finished that one. Let's do another one. And that endurance to keep up on that one thing and just improving on all the little micro pieces of it to, that's product design, that's that's what it takes. It's endurance. But yeah, the ability to execute is first.

Jonathan Barry:

I'd love to also tap in on that. So, your first idea will be replaced by ai and so will your second one, and you will probably replace that first one with the second one. It'll be you because you are just like, you know about the context window of ai. The context window is like, how deep can the deep research go, right? How much memory does it have? The more time that you spend building, the deeper your context window goes in your own brain. And in your own vision. And right when you get to the edge of what you didn't previously know, then you will step away and you'll go for a walk in the park and then you'll come back and you'll have this aha moment and you'll see the next idea and then you're gonna pursue that and go deeper. And right when you're doing that and you think there's a technological blockage, all of a sudden the evolution of technology is gonna blow that right pass. And you're just gonna be like walking into the unfoldment of everything happening at the right place at the right time. And so you just have to be willing to let go of fear of failure and just start building.

Brooke:

I can't thank you guys enough for your amazing questions. There's awesome panel.

Marian:

Let's give it a round of applause for our amazing panel and moderator. Thank you so much Brooke, and thank you everyone for being here, for being a part of the conversation. And I think that's the beauty of it, right? Like we didn't have to reach an end goal destination. This is just the conversations that we're opening up. And hopefully you also take this into your communities, your circles, to really, like what Jonathan said earlier, this is just part of the evolution. And when we're thinking consciously about it and we share about that with others, they also will think about it in that way. And I think it's great because it's all critical thinking skills that will help us prompt better and, create better. But also I think be better humans because the humans are really what matters. These are beautiful tools that we can use, but we still need the humans behind it to craft it and mold it and as we go shape it and build it. So thank you so much everyone.

Brooke:

Wow I hope today's episode opened your mind to what's possible with AI. Do you have a cool use case on how you're using AI and wanna share it? DM me. I'd love to hear more and feature you on my next podcast. Until next time, here's to working smarter, not harder. See you on the next episode of How I AI this episode was made possible in partnership with the Collective AI, a community designed to help entrepreneurs, creators, and professionals seamlessly integrate AI into their workflows. One of the biggest game changers in my own AI journey was joining this space. It's where I learned, connected and truly enhanced my understanding of what's possible with ai. And the best part, they offer multiple membership levels to meet you where you are. Whether you want to DIY, your AI learning or work with a personalized AI consultant for your business, The Collective has you covered. Learn more and sign up using my exclusive link in the show notes.

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