Vibe Coding and the Future of Work: How a Product Designer Turns Ideas Into Apps

I sit with Jessica Campbell, product designer, creative technologist, and founder of Creative Currents, to talk about vibe coding, the future of work, and why this shift matters far beyond tech.

Jessica shares how she first stumbled into vibe coding by accident and why the real magic starts before you ever prompt. We get into design thinking, starter prompts, onboarding flows, version control, deployment, and what it really looks like to build as a non-technical creative in public.

I also talk about the bigger picture: how AI is changing the barrier to entry for building digital products, why more people are creating niche tools for their communities, and how vibe coding is opening the door for founders, creators, and curious builders.

🔥 Topics We Cover:

• Why the future of work is not just about automation, but reinvention, experimentation, and people learning to build 
• What vibe coding actually is and why it matters right now
•  Why pre-work matters before vibe coding, including writing, research, mood boards, competitive analysis, and human-first thinking
• What design thinking means in simple terms and how it helps people build better, more niche products
•  How Jessica built Vibe Studio to help people bridge the gap between idea and execution
• What she learned from vibe coding 30 apps in 30 days
• Why version control, deployment, hosting, domains, and publishing are often skipped over in vibe coding conversations

Tools, Platforms & Concepts Mentioned in This Episode:

AI Building + Coding Tools

• Google AI Studio, Replit, Lovable,  Claude, ChatGPT, Gemini, Bolt, Figma 

Deployment + Infrastructure

• GitHub, Google Cloud, Wix, Squarespace, Custom domains, Bitly 

Voice + Interface Trends

• Conversational interfaces 
• Wispr by OpenAI 

Apps, Projects & Case Studies Mentioned

• MapMyMilk, SquadUp
• Jessica’s Vibe Code Studio

Data Referenced

• Federal Reserve SHED 2024 
• U.S. Census Bureau Business Formation Statistics, Feb. 2026 
• World Economic Forum Future of Jobs Report 2023 & 2025
• IAB / TalkShoppe Creator Economy Report citing Goldman Sachs 

Connect with Jessica

• Website + April event details: https://www.creativecurrents.ai/ 
• Instagram: creativecurrents.ai

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Jessica Campbell 0:00

what's your problem? What's your challenge? Who are you solving for? How are they currently experiencing the problem? What's their dream scenario? What's your dream scenario? How does that come together? Mix that with a mood board, do a little competitive analysis, and then I bring that into AI so that I was able to be human. And now you help me to parse that out into like one major, one-shot prompt.

Brooke 0:27

Welcome to How I AI the podcast featuring real people, real stories, and real AI in action. I'm Brooke Gramer, your host and guide on this journey into the real world impact of artificial intelligence. For over 15 years, I've worked in creative marketing, events and business strategy, wearing all the hats. I know the struggle of trying to scale and manage all things without burning out, but here's the game changer, AI. This isn't just a podcast. How I AI is a community, a space where curious minds like you come together, share ideas, because AI isn't just a trend, it's a shift, and the sooner we embrace it, the more freedom, creativity, and opportunities will unlock. Today we're talking about vibe coding, the future of work, and why I believe we are entering a major shift in how people make money, build leverage, and bring their ideas to life. Here's what I keep seeing. We're moving out of a world where people only think of income through a lens of job title, a salary, or waiting for someone else to hand them permission. And we're moving into a world where people can create their own products, own their own websites, build their own apps, tools, and even their own niche communities with far less capital than ever before. And this is where Vibe coding comes in. If you are brand new to that term, vibe Coding is basically an AI assisted creative workflow where you can describe what you want in natural language. The AI helps you generate the code and you keep iterating the prompt by testing and refining and eventually shipping some sort of product. I've been vibe coding a bit myself, and it is pure gold for marketers. For example, you can create a custom sales landing page for anything that you're wanting to sell online digitally. You can get creative with your marketing funnels by creating interactive quizzes. Really, the world is your oyster when it comes to thinking of creative ways to funnel people to your business. And the bigger reason I wanted to do this episode right now is that it sits at this larger conversation about the future of work. We're in Q2 of 2026, and I truly believe a year from now things are going to look very different. We've been watching AI move from experimentation into everyday business operations. This past year we've seen layoffs make major headlines. More tasks are being automated, and as a result, more people are diversifying their income. They're building side projects, micro businesses, digital products and low to no code tools. The barrier between having an idea and actually building the first version of it is getting dramatically smaller. Even the data points to this shift. The Federal Reserve reported in 2024, 13% of adults earned money, beyond traditional employment. The job market itself is continuing to be reshaped the World Economic Forum Future of Jobs Research found that employers expect 69 million jobs to grow, and 83 million jobs to decline by 2027. They also found that 44% of workers' skills are expected to be disrupted over that same period and that 42% of business tasks are expected to be automated by 2027. And the appetite for starting things is elevated too. The US Census Bureau reported that more than 496,000 business applications came through in February, 2026 alone. So people are not only looking for work, they're actively trying to create new business vehicles for income. And with Vibe coding, more people are going to realize they can build something useful for themselves, their audience, their neighborhood, their clients, or their industry without needing a full team or a big budget to begin. I've been seeing examples of this with really specific community driven tools. One example is a woman I had on my podcast named Maya and she founded MapMyMilk. She is a mother of two who vibe coded an app on Bolt, and she has over 500 mothers using her app, which supports breastfeeding and baby food, allergen tracking. Another example I recently researched was called Squad Up. It's a hyper-local pickup sports app built around community and local sports. These are not giant venture backed ideas. These are targeted tools built around real people, real needs and real communities. And the key differentiator here is community. People don't just build, they need a path to reach an audience and monetize and it's been estimated that the creator economy's total addressable market could roughly double to $480 billion by 2027, up from about 250 billion at the time of Goldman Sachs original estimate. The point here being that founders and creators are targeting small, specific pain points and monetizing, they're launching micro products, they're building hyper niche tools that would never justify hiring a developer. And Vibe coding feels like having a personal software team on demand. So this episode isn't just about job replacements and job security and the future of work. It's also a story about reinvention, adaptation, and those who are willing to learn how to work differently are really gonna come out on top. That is the shift I want people paying attention to, and honestly, this is why I care so much about creating physical spaces where people can try this in real time, ask questions and see what's possible. I've been putting on local vibe coding workshops here in the Miami community and have a really exciting event coming up during New York Tech Week, this June 3rd. I'm co-hosting an event called She Ships. It's going to be a free guided building session for women with ideas. This isn't a hackathon that's not competitive. It's a collaborative room for women who want to explore vibe coding for the first time. My co-host is Marian Bacol, and she's a lovable ambassador. Attendees will receive lovable credits and there's no pressure to be technical, just a room where you can explore, build, and surprise yourself with what you're capable of. Because the creator economy is evolving from attention based monetization into infrastructure based monetization. In other words, people are no longer only earning from what they post or share, or speak on. They're starting to earn money from what they can build and create. Okay. Now let's get into today's guest on How I AI. She's the perfect person to help me unpack all of this. Jessica Campbell is actually returning back to the show. She's been one of those people in my Miami community who has really helped me understand vibe coding. She comes from a product design background, has been working in tech since 2013, and through her platform, creative Currents, she's created workshops and experiences that help creatives and curious builders experiment with AI in ways that feel accessible, thoughtful, and current. In today's conversation, we get into what vibe coding really is, how Jessica first stumbled into it, the platforms she likes best right now, the design thinking and pre-work that should happen before you ever start prompting. How to think about debugging, things like version control, onboarding flows, and deployment, and what she learned from Vibe Coding 30 apps in 30 days this past January. My goal for this episode is to give you a more cohesive view of vibe coding. A lot of things are rarely discussed from security to compliance risk. And I think it's important to note that shipping AI generated code without deep review can increase vulnerabilities, create compliance blind spots, and it's important to note that vibe coding can only take you so far. I think it's a great start to get the first version of your product out there, whether for pitching and fundraising, or to get initial feedback from your ideal customer. So whether you're AI curious or sitting on an idea you don't know how to build, or you're just trying to understand where the future of work is headed next, this episode is for you. Alright, let's get into it. Jessica, thank you so much for being on the podcast. Welcome back to How I AI.

Jessica Campbell 9:23

Thanks for having me. Happy to be back.

Brooke 9:26

Yes, I have been wanting to do a vibe coding episode for a while, and you and I have done some cool collaborative workshops about vibe coding here in Miami. You have another one coming up and so do I. Yours is in Miami. Mine's in New York, and so it's time for us to come on together and chat about vibe coding, before we dive in, I would love for you to just open the floor and share with listeners a little bit about yourself, those who haven't caught your previous episodes on the show.

Jessica Campbell 9:58

Sure. So my name is Jessica Campbell. Call me Jess if we haven't met. I'm based here Miami. I'm a Florida girl, but I've lived in Georgia. I lived in New York, for a bit and came back to Miami because this is my happy place as of current, and I've worked in tech since 2013. I started at iHeartRadio, kind of stumbled into it thankfully. And I've always focused in the world of product design, so building apps and websites and sketching out the digital strategy for, uh, a company. And over the last three and a half years or so, I've really gotten into ai, generative ai around the same time as a lot of people have because of chat GPT, and mainly I focus on AI for creatives because that's the world I am in and like the creative agency world. And mainly, try to play my experiments within that. And within those last three years, I started a workshop series here in Miami called Creative Currents, um, which kind of gave me a, uh, an area to play out loud with creatives to come and kind of talk about lots of different topics with ai. So I've done AI for music, AI for film ai of course, for for art. So I've been doing that. And then more recently I've been focused on vibe coding because it's. Kind of, you know, one of the most exciting ways for not only creatives, but for anyone to experiment with ai and yeah, I'll, I'll talk more about that in a bit.

Brooke 11:39

Yeah, absolutely. And Jessica was the first one that got me to get into Vibe coding because she really was that support and helped me go back and forth. And, um, she also has a really cool Vibe Code Studio that helped me set it up. But before we get into that, when did you first start dabbling into Vibe coding? If you can share about that initial experience and your thoughts and, and how you approached it personally in the beginning.

Jessica Campbell 12:06

Um, I guess it was more of an an a mistake. I didn't even realize I could do that. And, uh, with Claude last year I was prepping for a, a workshop in Mexico and I was, I was trying to experiment with an idea of a, of like a dashboard I wanted to create, using all of the team's insights. And then all of a sudden, instead of it just making me like a Google sheet or like a breakdown, it made me like a, a website, like a, like a interactive look at it. And I, I like paced around my com, my apartment, I was like, what just happened? I had heard about Vibe coding because it got popular last February of 2025. Um, but I think like a lot of people, the word coding kind of threw me off. Um. Even if it did seem so simple in the, in its description, like coding with your vibes, like I just didn't feel like I needed to get that into it. But then when I saw how simple it was and how it helped me tell stories better, and then I thought, okay, what about all of those apps that I've been sitting on and all of those blockers I had, because maybe I didn't have the resources at the time to hire a team or, you know, it was hard for me to like, demonstrate certain ideas, um, without having those true coding skills. Then it was like, all right, well this is very exciting. Now. Now I have even an another level of experimentation to kind of bring. I think that was like my biggest area of weakness within this world of like being able to make it past that hump of coding and demonstrating past a design idea, like how can I demonstrate a prototype? So that's kind of how it started and that it's been a fun rabbit hole ever since.

Brooke 13:57

Yeah, so here we are a year and a couple months later. Which platforms do you like to vibe code on? If you can kind of share about the evolution of how you started, what you're gravitating towards now, and why.

Jessica Campbell 14:11

Well, I'll say my, my three favorite. Well Google AI studio because it's the most accessible as of now. I think there's just an update on like their token limits and whatnot, which scares me. I have to go update some things. Note to self. Um. Replit because it's the best at taking, let's say if you have a design in and Figma and like, it's like a, it's a little bit more complicated. It's definitely got a lot more token limits. But it's, if you know how to direct it well and also have the patience to sit through and recognize like how to push and pull Replit. Um, and then lovable. I didn't actually care for lovable because I thought it felt, the outputs felt basic for a while. And then recently I went to a lovable workshop just to see how other people were using it and. I love it. I do love lovable. It's great. It's very great for marketing pages, um, or for like personal portfolios, but it's extremely well when you pair it with like a Claude, Claude in your browser and then have like something like lovable or any of these tools in the screen and then you could just kind of have it code and build on its own, which has been interesting.

Brooke 15:30

Yes, I like lovable a lot for. Or web, web pages, like marketing funnels. Um, it's really easy to get like a sales page going on there very quickly. do you have different use cases that you go to Google AI Studio for versus say, Replit?

Jessica Campbell 15:48

I like to take my starter prompt, my large one shop prompt and test across multiple areas just to see what happens.

Brooke 15:57

Mm-hmm.

Jessica Campbell 15:58

Because these things change so quickly that you can't just judge a tool on where it was a month ago. Um, especially with Claude, like I wouldn't have vibe coded certain things within it before, and now I'm seeing its design levels are getting higher, especially the more you direct it, it's more responsive. Um, but I would use Google AI Studio and Rept more for, um, product. Experiments. So ex for example, at work, if we're thinking through a workflow idea, like, I don't know, something for like refining how we do the contract process or even for new biz needs, I will, I think that Google AI studio and replit are better for that. Um, and, and I typically see them kind of. Very, they're very close, but one is typically better at another and I'll try to see like whatever helps me get to it faster and then I'll just piece between those. Lovable, definitely for marketing things, I used it recently to make a landing page that was really great. Um, and also to refine my portfolio and I think like for people who have had to redo their portfolio so many times I would run, run to lovable, like I got it done in a day. It did amazing things. I was able just to like share, you know, links to video case study videos and here's my idea and I would, I would like to have it formatted like this, and here's my Pinterest inspiration. And it just had this like multi-layer portfolio done in a day. So incredible. Um. And then, but also for apps, because we were mainly talking about web there. Um, for apps, mobile apps, I would stick between Google. I, I would, since the token limit is lower on Google AI Studio, I would say experiment then there first, and then bring it to Replit.

Brooke 17:53

Okay. Yes, I did get that email from Google AI Studio about the new token usage

Jessica Campbell 17:57

Yeah.

Brooke 17:57

haven't, I

Jessica Campbell 17:58

to write down that.

Brooke 18:00

I haven't looked into it yet, yeah, this is why time is of the essence right to start playing around with these experiments and tools. important to note. Um, okay, so you mentioned something just now, I wanna dig into, you said my "starter prompt" for those listening who don't understand all the pre-work that goes into vibe coding, if you could share a bit about your pre-work process before you are actually in the editing mode, back and forth.

Jessica Campbell 18:32

Yeah, so. In general, uh, you know, my background is a creative, like I always was like writing and painting, and. You know, everyone talks about the human in the loop process and start human first. And I will tell you it's very important to do that because as a person who's been so hands-on with AI for these last few years, I've noticed where I've like stopped journaling as much and I've stopped painting as much and I had to like lasso all myself back a bit. So a lot. So I would say. I always try to start with writing first. Doing like just what, how I originally did things first. Before a before generative ai. So doing the research, getting inspired on my own, I'm still a Pinterest girly and I really hope they, they like start doing cool stuff with AI because I feel like they're dragging, but maybe they don't have to, you know? That, that part. But you know, I try to stay as, it's not really analog, but like somewhere between analog and where I was before AI and which helps me to get a better thing. Um, and then I typically try to follow a design thinking process, which is what I learned from the product agency world, which is how I built my vibe studio tool. For the most part and kind of, it's like a little bit of go to market strategy too, but you know, what's your problem? What's your challenge? Who are you solving for? How are they currently experiencing the problem? What's their dream scenario? What's your dream scenario? How does that come together? Mix that with a mood board, do a little competitive analysis, and then I bring that into AI so that I was able to be human. And now you help me to parse that out into like one major, one-shot prompt. The first one, because they say that you should always try to do like three shots and like. These are some of these terms that I get funny with, but the, the first shot, like as, as close as I can to a great view of my idea is I wanna nail that, that first shot. So it's very typically very long. Um, and then, yeah, I'll, I'll paste that around a few different places to see who got it best and then I'll work from there.

Brooke 20:55

Okay. Before we dig into. What a first shot prompt is In your your Vibe code studio, you share a little bit deeper about what design thinking is for someone who is just starting to see this term pop up on the internet?

Jessica Campbell 21:08

Well, design thinking is a, uh, it's a approach to how you think about solving a problem, like in a design first mentality. So usually it's that process of, you know, what is the problem, what is the challenge? Who is it solving for? Who is it solving for, is typically at the center. So I think these phrases of human centered design thinking and design thinking are kind of interchangeable. I'm sure someone might check me on that. But essentially whenever I've been across these processes, that's typically the flow you follow. So that's like the design thinking process. You kind of have like a checklist. Some people go you, you can go different ways of making it better or even making it more lean. But that checklist that I just ran through is pretty much the design thinking process of what is your problem, what's the challenge, what's the opportunity? Who are you solving for? What's their current experience? And you can, you know, even pull that out a little bit more of like, who are the different types of people experiencing this issue? How are they experiencing it differently? What apps or, or tools or their own interesting solutions might they be using to solve for what you're trying to come up with? And the more niche you get. The better of a product you're gonna have and the more you can kind of apprehend the issues of your user.

Brooke 22:42

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Jessica Campbell 24:11

Yeah,

Brooke 24:12

it?

Jessica Campbell 24:13

Yeah, and one thing I would add to that is a pro tip for when you're making these apps is always throw on an onboarding flow. Because that is a great question. Like try to make everything as self-explanatory as possible. Like when I'm making decks, I always try to think of it in that, like I, I make my slides very conversational so that if I'm not in the room, it could speak without me. Um, so same for your app if you're not in the room. Guiding someone like Clippy, you know, having that onboarding flow that tells them like, welcome to dah, dah, dah, dah. This is how you would use it at a high level. And it's for this is, you know, anyways, um, vibe Code Studio is essentially built on the design thinking process and I built it as another experiment. I'm always experimenting and we were putting together this workshop, vibe code, your vision, and I usually have, like I was just saying, like a, a presentation up where I'm guiding people through things and we're going step by step and we'll pause and everyone's a little bit more interactive, but I thought. What if, um, and this is always a good thing to start with your what if, like what if you made a tool that also helped facilitated it and that they can type things into versus just sending them to chat gPT or Claude that's already contained, already has like the workshop contained within it. Um, and then they can, you know. Kind of meet them where they're at, because I think that's where these tools should kind of go. And a lot of people who are in this space as AI leads should think about that. The more I meet people and talk to them about like where they are with ai, it's, it's just too much to try to get everybody to be like here's all the best props tools and things you should know. I think it's just like, what is the process you're using? Just like design thinking, like what works for you? Just wrap AI with it and just let that update in the background. So Vibe Studio's kind of like that. I have them answer those questions like, Hey, at the bare minimum, what's your idea? At the bare minimum. What's the challenge you're trying to solve for? Have some little buttons to help them enhance and elaborate with them and brainstorm, but really that's what it is. It goes through that process. I have some other questions in there. And then it was also built to solve for a lot of people when they vibe code and they don't really know a process and maybe they don't have a product design background or design background or, or digital background. It's gonna look like a sea of same, like you see a lot of vibe coded tools and they're all purple. They all kind of have the same like, like there's like an M dash of vibe coded design now, like certain little like elements that look, you're like, okay, that was vibe coded. You want it to, that's fine if it is. And maybe you're just trying to build a prototype to get an idea across, but if you're trying to make something that's like truly consumer facing, you need to like push the bar a bit more. So I wanted this to help be kind of like a facilitator for that process so they could get a better, more niche not even just an idea, but like a, a, a vibe coated output. So we, it's used as a companion tool at this moment for like lovable. And whatever tool. Google AI studio and rept. Um, and then at the end you also have the ability to like think through your go to market strategy and it helps you like put the messaging for social media. I think a lot of people don't get to that step on my, on there, so I'm actually gonna have like a follow up workshop for these now. But I will say, just dreaming out loud right now, I would love to actually make it so you can just vibe code on it and just it be like a one platform thing.

Brooke 28:12

Tell me more about your follow-up workshops, because something we didn't touch on which I think is skimmed over beyond the premeditate that needs to be done before Vibe coding. Can you share very briefly, you know about deployment when it comes to that portion where you're actually deploying your app, you're hosting it, you're putting in your credit card, you're paying for tokens. I think that's something that a lot of people glaze over when they talk about Vibe Code, this Vibe code that.

Jessica Campbell 28:41

Yeah, well, it depends on what tool you're using and also what type of app you're using. If it's mobile or web, um, some tools make it easier for you to launch. Google AI Studio has Google Cloud integrated into it and GitHub already within it, and you could do all the version control and you can just push to a cloud. Link and then revert that to a domain you buy, just like you would if you were using Squarespace. So, you know, in case you're not super techie, I might have said a lot of things right there that was like, oh, what? Uh, but don't worry. It's just like using Wix or Squarespace where you make something on there, you publish it like Canva, you publish it, it gives you like a, a link that's wrapped in their name and then you can re-wrap it with another domain you buy. Um, and all of them are just getting a little bit easier day by day. Um, so I would say the GitHub thing is important because of version control. So in case things hit the fan while you're vibe coding as they do, and you don't know how to get back, GitHub is what. Make sure you protect each version of that. It's obviously great for plenty of other things, um, but like as a non-technical person playing with vibe coding, it's very important for you to recognize version control and especially if you're making something you care about. And, and on Repli it's pretty similar as well. I think it already has version control baked in. But yeah, they all give you like these links. When you hit publish you have something that you can share, but you wanna go ahead and do the whole redirect with a another domain you purchase when you're ready to make it a little bit more professional.

Brooke 30:30

Yeah. I think Google AI Studio also has version control, if I'm not mistaken. Right.

Jessica Campbell 30:36

Yeah.

Brooke 30:36

And to explain that a little bit more, it's like when you're editing a Word document and you wanna undo and go back.

Jessica Campbell 30:46

Exactly. Exactly. And sometimes the go back is not very, it could go wrong. So that's why you wanna protect.

Brooke 30:54

And even if you don't want to spend money on a domain yet, you can just use a Bitly or something else if you're wanting to.

Jessica Campbell 31:03

Yeah.

Brooke 31:04

those URLs can get very long.

Jessica Campbell 31:06

Yes they can. They can, like the Google AI studio ones are long Replit, does allow you before you hit PO as long as you like, you save the project by the name that you want it to be named. It'll make the URL to that. One and it'll just have like dot replit at the end. Replit is great. It's just, you know, blow through those credits if you're making something very intense, which most of us are when we're making these things. Rep

Brooke 31:31

Definitely

Jessica Campbell 31:32

repli is very reliable. Yeah.

Brooke 31:35

So as you mentioned, you've been experimenting a lot. One thing I got to witness you experimenting was what you did in January of this year, 2026. You did 30 vibe coded apps in 30 days, which is

Jessica Campbell 31:50

Yeah.

Brooke 31:51

Tell me everything about what you experienced behind the scenes of this process. I know you had many, many late nights on top of your already full-time job, putting this out for people and take me through everything, like what did you learn along the way? What were your favorite parts? Like, what are the biggest things that you learned?

Jessica Campbell 32:10

You know, sometimes you get these, you ever get these like crazy ideas and unfortunately it's so like stuck in your mind. You have to do it and you're like, Ooh, this is gonna be, this is gonna be a journey. And that was what happened. And it was very good. Um, it was after we did our collaborative workshop and I just felt like I wanted to see how far I could go with like these ideas. I wanted to see how far that tool could take us. I wanted to see like all the different venues I could bring it through. And I just wanted to start the year off on like a backlog of ideas that I could sift through. Essentially I, I used my tool, the Vibe studio for every single idea I started with that. I had a lot of, I, when I started, I, I went to Claude and I was like, all right, help me come up with like 30 apps for 30 days so I can at least have like a, a backlog of prepared ideas. But to be honest, every week I like started afresh and I really just came up with ideas from being out in the world and talking to friends and having some interesting experience and bumping into this being like, I'll have an app for that. I'll make an app for that. Um, I think some of my favorites. Where I made one called Cracked and it was like, to help you, like to crack the understanding of anything. So if you had, if there was like an interesting article in the news that would just seem a, a little bit too hard to understand, you could just put it into this little flow and it broke it down for you and, and kind of like a, a school way, like Duolingo for understanding any i tough topic. Um, and even gave you like a fun acronym on how to break it down. And if you wanted to teach it yourself, it gave you an interesting flow. So that was cool. I made one on, um, called the Room. Some of these ideas were, I mean, the names were like, I was like just trying to make it through the day, but I called it the room. And it was like, and this is from hearing other friends in these like solopreneurs in these scenarios where, you know, they just couldn't see eye to eye and they didn't really have like an advisor in the room to tell them like, Hey. This is how you should move this call. And this is, you know, I think like a, most entrepreneurs or or most like startups fail because they can't see eye to eye, right? So I thought like, what about if I made something like a zoom or like a, an otter type experience, something that records your calls, like fireflies or whatever. And instead of just like afterwards, it gives you like. The simple analysis. It gives you an analysis as if like Mark Cuban was in the room or emigre, and it gives you tips on how you guys could have handled the call different, but also like business guidance for the next steps based off of whatever your goal is. So it's like always having an advisor in the room. These are things that, you know, I wanna see through. Um, but yeah, there's a lot of, a lot of cool ideas, but honestly, of all of them, vibe Studio is the one that I'm looking to see through at the moment.

Brooke 35:19

And take me through the troubleshooting process, like were there any specific type of apps that you felt like were more difficult than others and why?

Jessica Campbell 35:28

Yes. The troubleshooting process, I use Claude to be my, like key troubleshooter helping me with debugging prompts and build prompts and and whatnot. But as far as, there was like a funny moment where I just wouldn't let it go. And I was like, this has to be perfect before I launch it at whatever unhealthy hour. And um, Claude was like, you need to go to bed. You've been on this for too many hours. It's fine. It's good. Just launch it. And that was interesting. But, um, there is this tool, I think it was on Tastemaker, and it's basically like a constellation or a galaxy of defined by your taste, and then you can use it to create prompts. But this thing called tastemaker is really cool because you can create like, um. Plants that collect everything that you liked and loved so forever. Like for example, like whatever your music tastes are and like what you know inspires you there or like art or what drives you in technology. And then you essentially have all of this data, these nodes of everything that is you. Based off of your likes, your preferences, what inspires you, and then that creates like your galaxy of taste. And then you can use that to make prompts so that you actually have a unique perspective, and that that was driven from the problem of how do I create something that's just not AI slop? How can I bring in my own taste into what I, how I approach everything, but many people. Don't even know how to define what their taste is. So it was meant to kind of help you do that in a very complicated but beautiful way.

Brooke 37:18

So whenever you had a process where you were troubleshooting or debugging or having a hard time figuring it out, you felt like Claude was the best Resource or were there any other resources that helped you? Um, as someone who's not a non dev or engineer background?

Jessica Campbell 37:36

Yeah, no, I would say Claude, it like this, that month was a fast track to me recognizing that chat GPT is kind of behind when it comes to these things, because I would test across both, and I've been doing that for a while, but it just didn't, it wasn't as I don't know. My, the tension wasn't as high on other things that I was testing with, so I didn't really care and I would still use chatgpt. But after that month, I really recognized like Claude is the lead. And, um, because I would get solutions recommended to me on even Gemini or ChatGPT for issues that I was hitting or within the tool that I was vibe coating on itself. And it wasn't really giving me the best solution. So, Claude. I'm glad everybody caught wind on that is really great. Um, but especially for, um, for debugging and troubleshooting. And it's sometimes as simple as taking as a screenshot, but sometimes you need to get foot further and like show the code, um, and give as much context as possible. But Claude really was the, my troubleshooting developer buddy. And my therapy buddy telling me to go to bed.

Brooke 38:54

I love that.

Jessica Campbell 38:55

Yeah.

Brooke 38:55

So I have been hearing a lot about Claude in the past, you know, handful of months naturally, I wanted to hear what other trends you see coming through with coding, vibe, coding in particular, where do you see, where do you think we'll be a year from now?

Jessica Campbell 39:15

I don't wanna put the question on you, but like a year from now I feel like who knows? But as far as I can see right now, conversational interfaces seem to be the thing. Um, you know, hand list. C or not touchless coding, which is basically, you're still doing the same things, but I think it's gonna be less hands on keyboard. I'm using a tool, uh, called Wispr. Have you heard of that one?

Brooke 39:40

I've heard of it, but can you share more about your experience?

Jessica Campbell 39:44

Yeah. So it's from OpenAI, apparently, and it's spelled W-I-S-P-R in case you find another whisper ai and it's not the right one, which I did by accident one day. And, um. I mean, it, it's just another, it's an easier, more smoother tool for using, your voice to control anything on your computer. So it's great when you are vibe coding because typing all of this stuff, like just doing this stuff for endless hours is already enough. Typing it out. Sometimes you probably feel slowed down trying to, to articulate these. Most 'cause most of this is like stream of consciousness ideas. Um, so that's why the voice dictation is not only just great as a build, but now it's as it, you know, in the builder mode. But, um, it's starting to work Its way more into the ui. So you're, I think a lot of people are noticing that you're gonna see tools or, or websites. Or apps that are just led by your voice, um, versus you typing things in. I think that's a, you know, slowly but surely. Um, I know that there were, there's some, like I was seeing like these incubators and startups, a lot of them were saying that most of the successful tools that were coming out of, the groups were conversationally led. Um. But yeah, a year from now, it makes sense that I think that you'll see a lot more of that. So something to work into how you create. But I do wanna note that once again, like human in the loop. Protect your critical thinking, protect our brains, protect our ability to be crafty, think for ourselves. Typing is an important skill, I think. I think it's good for your brain to be able to type without looking. I don't know, it's just, and maybe that's outdated. Did we, did we have to, as humans have to learn how to use a keyboard? Probably not, but I don't wanna lose that skill, so I kind of go back and forth with it.

Brooke 41:51

I find myself having way, way, way less patience nowadays to type anything.

Jessica Campbell 41:55

Yeah. See, we're getting, we're getting more reliant here and there,

Brooke 42:00

Mm-hmm.

Jessica Campbell 42:01

I try to keep an eye on it.

Brooke 42:03

I would love to have the ability just to voice vibe, coding versus actually typing. So that, that's an exciting trend to see through. So as we wrap up this vibe coding conversation, I hope it inspired a lot of people to get started. Just hearing two gals talking about their experience. If you could share a little bit about your upcoming workshop this April. For those that are local to Miami, what can people experience or, or expect to go through during your, your process that you're hosting here in April?

Jessica Campbell 42:41

Hopefully you meet a friend. I always try to make it very. Not vibey, but try to make it like really like community led and feel like that you're having fun and then that it's not your average tech talk, so that you're gonna meet a room full of energetic, quote unquote creatives to people. Just curious to, yeah, an interesting group of people always. Um, and I always start off with a little educational moment where I'm like, tell you what is even vibe coding and what is the competitive landscape like and how I'm using it? And then we do a little group collaboration on it and then I bring you into a little surprise you'll have to do in person. But just know we're gonna, I always try to blend personal development with technology so I do something to ground us. As an experiment and um, and then we get into the workshop, you'll walk through Vibe Studio, I will guide you through it. I'll usually have a facilitator or two to help us out. And then you walk out with something you actually built. And most of the people who come as, like we saw in the first one is like, I would say like 70 to 90% of people never even heard about what vibe coding was and everybody walked out. With something they built in their own hands and feeling more excited and empowered about using this technology. So that is, that's something I'm proud to share. Yeah. And the next event is April 19th at the bass, which is very quick, but if you can't make it into that one, I have another one in May. TBD.

Brooke 44:18

Amazing. Jessica, what do you hope listeners take away from this episode?

Jessica Campbell 44:23

Um, the power of experimentation, it's really, you know, it's good. It's good to experiment. Just not to have fear in trying these things that it's fun. Um, yeah. And that like, if you didn't know it already, like the barriers are lifted and it, and there's really not a lot of excuses. But I would say like with that, it's probably sometimes even harder to find focus, but just be that human in the loop for yourself. Ground yourself on like what your reason is, who you're solving for, and then it's easy. And yeah, just remove that fear because there's no reason for you to have any excuses to make what you want in this day and age.

Brooke 45:09

Yes, I hope that listeners are inspired. I will link your Vibe coding studio to this episode so people can explore and get into that design thinking. before vibe coding, maybe their own first project. How can listeners reach out to you? How can they connect and learn more about your work and your workshops?

Jessica Campbell 45:29

Yeah. Um, my website, creative currents.ai, uh, my contact is there. You can sign up for if you're a business and if you're curious about having workshops or doing any. Services for your team. You can sign up for like a survey there and just get to know me or just if you just wanna reach out, join the mailing list. It's all on my website. Or follow me on my Instagram, it's exact same thing, uh, at Creative currents.ai.

Brooke 45:59

Jessica, I love always getting the opportunity to collaborate and connect with you. Thank you so much for your time, and I'm excited to see what 2026 has in store for you the rest of the year.

Jessica Campbell 46:12

Me too. You too. Us too. Thank you, Brooke.

Brooke 46:16

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