Reinvention & Resilience: The Making of Lord Lamba

Lord Lamba, born Kelvin Anagbogu, is a well known Nigerian digital storyteller. Known for his viral comedy skits that mirror the chaos, charm, and contradictions of everyday life, he has built a digital empire with over 13 million followers across platforms. But behind the laughter is a man shaped by survival, discipline, and an unwavering belief in possibility.

A self-taught content creator, producer, and director, Lord Lamba turned scarcity into vision. His brand may be humour, but his mission is layered: to teach through comedy, to reflect culture back to itself, and to speak truths often hidden in plain sight. Whether unpacking masculinity, navigating criticism, or speaking on faith and mental health, Lord Lamba brings a rare mix of honesty and craft to his work.

In this conversation, we meet the man and the reflective artist still building, still learning, and still reaching.

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Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Lord Lamba
01:49 Creative Evolution and Identity
15:04 Lessons from Content Creation
17:01 The Impact of Real Stories on Comedy
18:55 Reflections on the Past and Creative Process
21:35 The Journey of Content Creation
25:03 The Evolution of Desires
27:05 Mental Health and Masculinity
29:59 Navigating Public Perception
33:05 Finding Joy in Everyday Life
35:29 The Weight of Responsibility
40:49 Outro - Overnight Wisdom

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Lord Lamba
• 1:49 Creative Evolution and Identity
• 15:04 Lessons from Content Creation
• 17:01 The Impact of Real Stories on Comedy
• 18:55 Reflections on the Past and Creative Process
• 21:35 The Journey of Content Creation
• 25:03 The Evolution of Desires
• 27:05 Mental Health and Masculinity
• 29:59 Navigating Public Perception
• 33:05 Finding Joy in Everyday Life
• 35:29 The Weight of Responsibility
• 40:49 Outro - Overnight Wisdom

Transcript

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Welcome to Overnight Wisdom, a show where we sit with changemakers, artists, business leaders, and thinkers. Each conversation is an invitation to slow down, to go deeper, and unearth the quiet insights that shape who we are. If you're seeking honest reflections, unexpected wisdom, and a deeper understanding of what it takes to not merely survive, but to thrive. You're in the right place. Today, we're thrilled to have a special guest whose comedic brilliance has taken the digital world by storm. Joining us is Kelvin Anaborgo, widely known as Lord Lamba. He has captivated millions with his relatable skits that humorously expose everyday lives and societal quirks. With multiple collades and the 2021 Nigeria Choice Awards for Best Content Creator. Lord Lamba's influence extends beyond laughs. Lord Lamba, known to me as Promise, has over 13 million followers across social media platforms. His skits have built a devoted fan base he affectionately calls the Lambarians. While much of his public persona centers around humor, this episode peels back the layers to reveal another side of the young man I have known all his life. In this episode, we dive into his creative process, the stories behind his viral skits, and how he uses humor to reflect and challenge societal norms. Get ready for an enlightening conversation that promises both wisdom and wit. Okay, let's get to it. Hi, everyone. I am here today with the one and only Lord Lamba. For the purposes of this call, I'm going to call you Promise. Is that all right? You permitted to call me Promise. That is great. Okay. I also understand, Lord Lamba, slash Promise, that this is your very first podcast. So I'm feeling pretty honored. So thank you for being here with me. That's fine. You're welcome. Let me not bring out the pride in me. You know It's fine. In check. Keep that in check. Okay. I'm going to jump right into it. You know, you've been doing amazing things in the past couple of years. I do want to start by asking about your name, Lord Lamba. Where does that come from? It came from suffering. Okay, do say more. My mom - and I were trying to like pick a name online trying to see what could be a catchy name so we came across Lord Lamba it was Lamba Lord But I think that name was taken too, Yeah. Essentially your mom helped you with the name. That's pretty cool. Yeah, very nice be the one to copyright that name because she get the name. It's essentially, I mean, it's hers. Absolutely. I just want to dive right in and I want to start by asking you is the bravest thing you've ever done that no one knows about? The bravest thing I've ever done. Yes, I'm sure you've done a lot of brave things but what is the bravest? Surviving. Tell me more. Once you know that there is no way out, you have to be brave. You need to survive. Mostly in a place where I come from, country. You need to survive. You need to be brave. You need to think outside the box. You need to... go down deep inside your brain and pick out even you can still go down inside your brain and pick out talent that is not yours and make it yours Do you feel like to this day you're still surviving or do you think you have survived? I'm still surviving because the day I feel like I've survived there will be trouble so I'm still surviving but there are stages to that surviving stages of food we can see food and eat moving around we can see what can carry us and go and come back where to sleep, shelter, we can see that one. So it's interesting when you talk about survival in terms of one, the basic needs, but also now in terms of how you grow and what you envision for yourself. So with that, I do want to talk about Vulnerability. Has vulnerability ever cost you something significant? Yeah, like reacting in a way I'm not supposed to. Yeah... So... say you're a reactive person, Promise? No, I'm not. But I think at some point in my life I've reacted in a way I'm not supposed to react. And it's something I didn't like. Okay. What did it cost you? I cost my peace and I don't joke with my peace. How did you get it back? I got it back by remembering where I came from. Also understanding that the past does not mean you will not move forward. So I had to like leave the past and focus ahead. And I'm good. I'm cool. And I feel like we are humans, We are not perfect. Some things will come and bring you down. And me, when I feel like that, I feel like there's a bigger picture that is waiting. So you're quite successful now, Where did hear that I'm so successful? Well, if I... mind her which one is the most successful. You know, I think it's okay to celebrate the success that we have at different points. You know, I mean, digitally currently in terms of content creation, you're doing pretty big things, even just from like a Nigerian perspective. And from what I also understand across all the social medias, like Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, you have... 10 plus maybe 13 million followers, which I think is no easy feat. You know, I think that is successful because to some degree you have understood and you continue to curate content that your followers appreciate. So given this frame, I do want to ask you what is a personal failure that reshaped the way you see success. That's not feeling, is Like what is success to you? Let's start there. I think surviving pushes you into success. I would say the personal failure that got me into success, Getting to understand that nobody's coming to save you. You need to you need to find your way that nobody's coming all man for himself then along the line you know god sends people to make it more easier for you I often imagine that having a public persona, as much as you bring people joy, you make people laugh, it also comes with some form of criticism. How do you navigate the people who just pick at you? The negative feedbacks or the comments? How do you deal with that? Before like um if i see those things it weighs me down i feel like oh i'm not doing enough or what but i come to realize that it's it's the devil trying to steal your joy because how do you have 10 000 comments 6 000 comments and just four bad comments and you want to feel down. What about the good comments and let me even give you little expo inside that good comment I still take out content that's still create the next or the bad comment, I combine it with the good comment and bring out another content. So, when they come, when they criticize, I feel like it doesn't touch me anymore. I guess you could also say like it fuels your creative process in a way, right? Exactly, yeah. I like that. I really like that. I want to acknowledge that you've talked about God, you've talked about your faith. How does you believe in God support your process? Okay, right from time I'm a strong believer. Thanks to my mom. Have you ever been in house was like, are you trying to sleep? Are you are hearing prayer? Sounds like a lot of Nigerian homes. You're sleeping the next week is morning prayer and will you that money prayer by 4am When does sleep like I don't know the sweetness they put in 4 am sleep till they will now come and wake you you'll now be praying or trying to do praise and worship and You're sleeping. Good morning. Come and tap you again. So imagine how many years of my life doing all those things and getting to see where there is no way, like some things are supposed to work, but just by a snap of the finger it will work. So that made me understand that there is God actually. So I believe strongly enough and I'm an example My career I never knew that I'm gonna get to this stage of my life. It started like a play and yeah so now I just feel like if I need anything I just tell him. You know, when you were talking about kind of like the prayers, I remember, you know, way back when, when we'd be back in Nigeria with, my dad was a really strong, believer and Christian. And we used to do these prayers at nights when we were all super tired. And there was one time we started praying and my older sister. She literally like was standing up and she fell down, I guess she was asleep. She dozed off and kind of just like fell down. And my dad was so convinced she had fallen under - anointing. He was like, the Holy Spirit. And the rest of us are like, She just kind of fell asleep. A nice scope oh It just... It just fall... He was like, the Holy Spirit has come over her. So that just kind of like took me back that brought back also good, although funny, but good memories for me. So earlier you talked about not being reactive, but you've been in a situation where you were reactive. So in moments like that where you're, know, everything is boiling, your head is just like, this is not happening. How do you calm yourself? How do you recenter yourself? I'm this kind of person that when this time comes, like I am vexed I am angry. But one thing I thank God for is I go into my head, think about it like 10 times, do a calculation if this thing is gonna be positive, if this thing is gonna affect me. And there are some times that Probably it's done and is already affecting me. I still go into my head and find a way not to react because I know one thing about reaction is it causes more. It lightens up the fire. Mm. I like that so no need to pour kerosene on the fire as they say yeah Yeah, I like that So you've been doing this now for how long This is going on 7 years. We're on seven years, okay. So what is something you created that you no longer recognize in yourself? My fans are still angry at me that I no longer do Lamba. Like at end of my videos, I just turn to the camera like this ♪leans head sideways and whispers "Lamba"♪And a lot of people really loved me for that but I don't do that anymore I'm not saying I've outgrown the lamba but I feel like it brought me to some certain level and we take it up from there So I'm very very grateful for that niche And I still have it, it's still there But officially, I actually don't do it anymore. But why? Can you speak more to that? I feel I needed to dive into other things The Lamba actually comes in when I play a certain role of a bad boy. You understand? So it's like stereotyping me. So I needed to lift myself out of that pattern so I could be able to do other things. Yeah. As well, you're in a position where you're also collaborating with some large organizations, big brands, and I guess you cannot be restricted to that one thing Right? Okay. I see. Since you talked about being a bad boy, I think anyone who views your content online. You know where I'm going with this one. Anyone who views your content online is going to typecast you because you know what I told you about this, right? It's like it's one girl or the other or three girls or four girls you're trying to navigate all in one show and that is the dominant impression, of your content. It is funny. It's hilarious but How is that different from you? Okay well, Lamba is a brand, is a character. A lot of people might think I'm trying to teach them or teach their boyfriends how to be a bad boy but that's not true. Come to think about it these are things that happen. This is a content. As a girl you watch my videos what do you learn I reveal all those things that if your partner tries to do you will catch it you will if he's even doing it you just be looking at him like this I have a page where I see all these things you get then for the guys As I'm doing all these things, just know that you are not safe because I'm exposing things like this. It goes both ways, the girls, the guys, you can learn it. Why play the character as a guy to show those things? So yeah, so they should see it as a venue to learn, to see when your partner is trying to be sneaky, is trying to... have his way and get away with it. So it is not trying to be a bad boy. So it's an avenue to actually teach. So all these girls that are thinking, ah you are spoiling my boyfriend, leave all this one, learn the context, like see. Because they are adults you cannot teach anybody anything if they don't want to learn don't want to learn and it goes both ways girls and boys not just it's not only boys that are doing those things girls too So essentially you're saying that a lot of the skits that we see are inspired by real stories that you've heard of. So it's inspired by a lot, But mostly with stories. It might not be exactly how it happened because as a content, you need to, yes, make it more dramatic, exactly, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's interesting you share it like that, because I've never thought about it from the perspective of what is this here to teach me, you know? And as you talk about it, I'm thinking, yeah, if someone was trying to play a fast one. Regardless on which side that someone is, you can then be like, hey, - yesterday. And even if they did, I follow Lamba. So I know this. Was one I did, I think yesterday. I dropped off my girlfriend and when she left I looked and I called. My second girlfriend was coming to pick her up Then I was like I was on my way then. Name and remove the other name. So that one too is like a real story fascinating the lengths people go. I don't know if it's like, if I should laugh or be terrified. That's a whole new level of like going lengths to hide, the nonsense. Exactly. You know they said, stolen water is sweet. Which is not supposed to be. When you want to cheat, don't stress. It's the one that makes it look sweet. Now it's getting more advanced. Hmm. Of people don't know so I'm teaching. I'll still be teaching even if they feel like I'm spoiling. I'll still be teaching. I wasn't even talking about it. I've taught before. Nice. I was teaching kids in school. So you see now, now I'm seeing where this teaching is coming from. From kids to adults. Ho! I think though this is maybe the first time it's translating that you're trying to teach. I think if anyone just looks at what you put out, I don't think the first thing is like, ooh, Lamba is trying to teach me something here. I don't think that's what people take from that. We don't tell you we are teaching. Thank you. We don't tell you we are teaching you. We put it out as a code. So for you now, it's left for you to decode it. Okay, I want to ask you about Promise, you know, before Promise became Lord Lamba. So, Promise 10 years ago, what would you say to him, given what you know now? You see that Promise was the reason why there was Lamba because that Promise had to fight, struggle. The Promise then that did all the work actually did a great job trust me and I will still look back and be like no that Promise tried out of a lot of temptations and a lot of things he chooses to like go through the right path so I will give that Promise an accolade Probably, a lot of thanks. A lot of thanks. Me a lot because I know that during that time a lot of temptations that would have not gotten me to this stage but Promise stood still. Hardships because I also knew that Promise. All right. What's one thing that people, assume about your creative process that is completely wrong? Kind of like something anyone thinks about how you create, you know. Do know I still get comments of when this one takes that and how him take get money. Ha! Do you know when we've been hustling? Even when it comes to the content, is it because probably when they go to my page, they don't see those things anymore? It's wiped out. Hmm. Decide to bring it back, you know the hustle? They feel like their success just came on the ♪snap fingers♪... But that's not true. We've been fighting some hidden battles they don't even know about. Hmm So they feel like it just came from nowhere. I came from this wealthy family and boom, I got where I got to, but no. So those assumptions are wrong. I fought. There are some content I created, that failed. This Lamba save didn't just start. I did other content that was normal. Didn't work. Never gave up. Yeah. You didn't give up. Just did a pivot. I tried something else, tried different things, different content. And when I entered the one wey I dey - cheat. That was the one that hit, right? That was the one that hooked people. Yeah, when I was trying to teach. Yeah, yeah. I understand that you produce, you direct, you you basically do it all for a lot of your contents that you put out. Can you talk me through that process? Yeah, I feel like in the field I am You need to learn those things for it to be easy for you Because learning those things does not mean you can't employ other people to do the job But you do those employment when probably you've got into some certain stage but as an upcoming You need to learn all those things you need to learn how to shoot your videos even when you take your phone and you take your camera give it to somebody to hold it for you you still need to know if the person is doing it right editing you need to learn how to do those things because if you don't learn those things you will struggle Yeah So mostly I would say don't depend on people too much unless God has blessed you with like some friends that have the same zeal and goal. But it's hard. Like for me, I learned how to shoot and also edit. So when everything started becoming okay, I had to bring other people in to come and do the work. Still, I still watch. How they do it like if they don't do it well sometimes when even i'm shooting i'm directing the director i know it's not a good thing to direct a director but my movie my something I go - still put mouth because it's my money you get so yeah exactly so because i have ideas something i've been doing is something i know how my audience love it I think it's quite remarkable, you know how to do everything. I think that it's the fundamentals of like running a business or being an entrepreneur from the beginning. You know, you're the receptionist, The janitor, you're the person who fixes everything. So that's the process. And I think there's something quite liberating. About being able to do it and not be fully dependent on somebody else, especially in situations where you don't have the money or the resources to make sure people get things done when you need it done. So I think there's something quite important there that people who are starting in their process, even beyond content creation, people who are starting a business, they understand that sometimes in the beginning, a lot of times when you're bootstrapping, you really bootstrap. You have to do everything. All at once by yourself but there's a lot to learn from that as well. So quick question on your process because since you do all of this and we see like what one minute skits maybe sometimes even 30 seconds skits. How long does the average do you call it skits? I'm calling it a skit. Is that what you call it? Yeah? Content. How long does the average content you know we see one minute one and a half minutes how long does it take you to shoot? Sometimes one minute skits can take you like three days. Yeah. Especially when it's a content that has to do with like a lot of location. Some content you need to build a set. Some content you need to travel. Thanks for sharing. I have a question there was a time when there were a lot of things you have now that you didn't have at the time. So is there something that you wanted really badly? That no longer phases you the same, know, it doesn't excite you the same You know, when the money was coming, you know, I want to get this, I want to buy this. It's exciting you, doing everything and you know. I feel like right now doesn't freak me anymore. Not that I don't like money, I like money. But even if I have all the money in the world, I feel like. It's not going to freak me. I will still give the same reaction if I don't have or if I have. But I love money. Money, if you come, I will still shake body oh, but... I love it What is the most ridiculous thing you spent money on or if you go back you wouldn't do it the same? It's cars. I love cars Car's a problem for you. Yeah, cars. Yeah, fast cars, big cars. Fast cars and we don't used to drive it that fast the way they even programmed the car. I feel like seeing it and knowing the capacity of what a car can do is a joy. Yeah, I love it. So Promise you are a young Nigerian man. What is a wish you have for young African men? I feel like a lot of young men are carrying too much responsibilities at a young age. I mean, I can testify to that. And I feel like the society sees men as people that no matter what it takes, you need to do it. It's a do or die. But now, feel like the solution I have in mind, there should be where men can talk to each other, know, communicate, pour it all out. And that is what - women have that we don't have You see a lady, she feels that, she pick up her phone, hey baby girl, I don't feel good, can I come over? I'm like, what happened? Come, come, come, it's fine, come. Okay, I'm coming. Okay, but you see me, we guys, you're feeling sad. Next thing you're trying to drink, you're trying to go into depression. You don't wanna talk about it. So I feel like we, I know that some problem said can be a problem casted. Which men are scared of you tell people how you feel and they laugh at you and Well, I feel like the men can do better. We should learn how to be a brother's keeper we have this saying be your brother's keeper, but we don't make use of it a lot of men that are carrying loads they're not supposed to carry at a young age but they just carry this load so i think we should learn how to take that part of the women aspect talking to themselves you know use it i feel like it will solve some few problems because me i know I have this friend i know that doesn't criticize me I just call him, you know, talk. And he also calls me when he doesnt feel good. And it has - - -. Been helpful we talk and we get solutions Look at it like actually it helps him too so... Yeah, feel like we should talk to ourself more and men, do not gas your - - fellow guys, you know good, yeah. I love that for you, Promise. I love that you have somebody. And I do agree with you. You know, I mean, globally and also on the African continent and in Nigeria, I think there is in general a mental health crisis. People are struggling and people do not necessarily have an outlet to exhale, to share. And I think based on the social constructs. Men are supposed to hold everything together. You're supposed to have everything together. It's even something as simple as from childhood when boys cries, like, are you crying? Aren't you a man? As though they're not also supposed to have an outlet. And I think you're absolutely spot on. If something is going on in my life, There's somebody I can call and be like, hey, let's talk about this. And they will talk some sense into me, you know, like it's, it's quite nice, I think, having community as women. And I think it's so important that men can also have spaces where they can be honest and vulnerable and funny and just be like, you know what, today, everything sucks and have other brothers lifting them. I think that's so important. I really like that Promise. I love that insight. Okay. How do you navigate spaces where you were both celebrated and misunderstood? It's so Surprising that you see the people That love you so much. I love your content and just one thing They see online that they don't actually like instead of them trying to Understand why or is this true or not? They come attacking you. You'll be like are these not my people? Are these not people that if I probably acquire something to be celebrated, they celebrate with me? And now, they're throwing stones. It's surprising, But whenever I see things like that, we just leave it to God - we've left a lot of things for God to, God has carried a lot of things. So yeah, we just leave it. So it's just surprising how you get celebrated today. So I just feel like it is the way humans are made. Quick to celebrate you, quick to bring you down.- quick to bring you down exactly - That is the nature of a human being I guess I think as people we could show more grace, especially in this day and time of like digital media and, you know, content creation where you can see 15 seconds, 30 seconds. Production about anything and you think you have a complete idea of the full picture, right? Of that experience, especially when it's something negative. Rather than people jumping to conclusion and tear you down, think as people it's quite important that we start showing some grace and just say, maybe we give them space to explain or or to like go deep. Because I know that we putting out anything about us out there is like giving them the right to be in our life. So I feel like even with that right, they should still look into it, because we still call them our family. They are the one that... made us, you know, them watching us So like, look to it and, see if what they are seeing is real or not. Because we are also human beings and depression is real. There are things that go through that, if they go a little bit, they can't even take it. So they should do better. I love that through it all though, you're still acknowledging that these people are also the people who got you where you are. There's that humility about your process, which I appreciate. I do think that as much as you are a content- creator you said, that Lamba is something you've created and Promise is a different person, And I think that Promise deserve to also have privacy. So I think hold on to that. I think you've done a pretty good job separating your life from your to have success doing so. Okay. If you could relive one moment, not change it, but just to feel it again, what would it be? Yeah, like go back to those days where you were not recognized, where you could go to some'mama put' and eat and they don't know you and eat Yeah, like those things then were sweet but is not something I would pray to go back to because then I was broke and I don't, I like it here. I like it here I like here for you to Promise. Yeah. I love that. I like the real ness So it's like, yes, I'll go back to where no one knows me, but hey, I still want the money. So just quickly on your creative process, but particularly when you Do not have inspiration. How do you get it? How do you find it? When you're creating content nonstop, you can't be a bottomless pit right? So in moments when you feel a bit stuck, what do you do to refresh, to reset, to rest, to get it back? You know, people underate. Cold water. Mmm. Yeah, In the night, put your legs inside cold water. Do you know that our legs are like one of the most important place? Like under of our feet. Can translate a lot of things for you. So you put your leg into cold water and you feel it from there it goes down to your brain. It relaxes your brain. It takes out all the worries. Then it goes into deep thinking when it comes to the content. Then you start searching, start opening books, searching for content. And yeah, it has worked for me. So, So, I think you alluded to it earlier, but being in public eye must come with some type of responsibility and having expectations that perhaps for us as followers and people who see your content and see how you move in the world, we don't really grasp the full weight of responsibility that you have. And earlier, you also talked about the importance of men to find spaces where they can talk to each other, support each other. So I do want to ask you how is your mental health? It's It's like, yeah, it's good. It's excellent. It's just when you understand the metrics of the kind of job you do, you just need to accept it. If you compare that here is better than here and see what here comes with and see what here comes with, it's good. So my mental health. It's good, you know that sometimes we don't feel, you know, we have emotions, we're human beings. But yeah, it's good. And we pray we don't get something, we don't meet something that could damage the mental health. So beyond the formula that you have and the understanding of the metrics, what keeps you grounded? What keeps you sane? What brings you back to earth? The fact that my loved ones are good the fact they are happy, in fact so far they feel good I am al right oh. I love that. Love that for you. Promise, what is one question I should have asked you that I didn't? First of all the way they do it. You should have asked me if I have eaten it's already late, you don't do that. Medicine after death. I'll send you food. I'll send you food. Sorry, my mistake. Forgive me. Forgive me. Food on me the next time I see you. Forgive me. I have a last question for you here. What brings you joy? A lot of things brings me joy. But putting them into one? The fact I wake up every day to a new adventure of life gives me joy. The fact that out of billions of people on Earth, God chose to put me in a place whereby... still have a reason to live gives me joy so then there are other things that gives me joy too mostly this part Glad to hear it. No, glad to hear it. Glad to hear it. Think that is something to be joyful about, that you get to be on adventure, you get to learn, you get to grow. How was this for you, Promise? Your first podcast and all, how was it? I don't like podcasts like interview You see I'm shy type I'm not I'm shy but like I don't like to I like to part of you, not just the bad boy, not the lamba, yeah? Exactly, it good and this might be the last I hope have to share. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. Yeah. I'd love to see you being interviewed on CNN and BBC and you know, like any big space anywhere. Yeah. Okay let's see how it goes thank you so much for spending your time with me. For saying yes to me for your first podcasts. And I really appreciate you sharing and giving all of us a different side of Lord Lamba. Yeah. And maybe showing us Promise, Promise, Promise, nobody knew me with this Promise so calm down with this Promise you're calling me I know you as Promise now. What am I supposed to do? Like I've tried with the Lamba I mean, but every now and then the Promise slips in. But okay. Lord Lamba, Thank you for your time. I appreciate you. Sound weird? Oya call me. Promise. Continue. I know, I know. Okay, Promise, thank you for being here. You know anything for you you are the one that can make make me do this You know use your power your flex your power. This is what you're talking about. You see we don't flex your power. Now now now now now now now now now now now But you know, I think the fact that there was a time in your life when I changed your diapers and I washed your poo, you know, like it's not the cool diapers Promise. It's the, you know, the, the clots one that you've used pin on the side and then you have to like take it off and wash it in water. I used to touch your poo, So. How much I could pay you? May you erase this thing from your head. Erase how much? No, talk. Never. So no matter how cool you become, always have that to bring you back to earth. I held you when you were like that tiny. Like you were a tiny baby. I changed your diaper. I took care of you. So I mean take a little bit of credit to kind of like you're here somehow because at some point or the other, Chisom also kind of, she wiped your bum. Don't worry, I need to pay you for this so that if you will sign, I hear this anywhere again, you will hear from my lawyer I'll see if I can cut it out, but no promises. We'll see how it goes. But yeah, anyways, I want to say thank you for your time. I love you, love you, love you. Thank you for being here. You too. Alright, take care. Thank you for spending time with us on Overnight Wisdom. If this conversation moved you, inspired you, or made you pause, please like, leave a comment, or share it with someone who needs to hear it. You can follow the show wherever you get your podcasts, and if you're feeling generous, a rating, or review, goes a long way in helping others find us too. Until next time, stay curious, stay tender, and may the wisdom you need find you exactly when you're ready.