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Nofio Môn - The Wet Way Around Anglesey
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In this episode we speak to 3 amazing women called Debbie, Carol, and Chris, who took on the challenge of swimming around Anglesey. They have been recording their journey as Nofio Môn and we are really pleased to share their journey with you.
Follow their journey at @nofio_mon on instagram and Facebook, where you get to see their adventures
Hi, welcome to Call of the Ocean Podcast. My name's Cerys.
Speaker 4And my name's Neil. And in this episode, we've been chatting to three crazy ladies who call themselves Nofio mon.
Speaker 3Yeah, we were chatting with Debbie, Carol, and Chris. And Nofio mon is Welsh with swim in Anglesey, and that's exactly what they've been doing. The Welsh word for Anglesey is Ynys Mon. And the coastline of Anglesey is actually 130 miles.
Speaker 4Well, so that sounds like it.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4That's no mean feat, is it?
Speaker 3No.
Speaker 4Told you we were crazy ladies. Anyway, we started this episode with our usual question: what was your earliest memory of the sea? So shall we jump straight in?
Speaker 3Yeah, and we hope you really enjoyed this episode because we did.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah, I think you will enjoy it. Anyway, we'll see you on the other side. Uh, what's your earliest memory of the sea? And how did it make you feel?
Speaker 1I just remember spending my whole childhood by the sea at the mermaid, down at the front by the sea zoo. I grew up near in Brintankin, and just being picked up from school and just being got gone down there every evening to have a picnic tea and have a play in the water, and just growing up by the seaside. It's beautiful. We live in such a beautiful place.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you've that was a a lucky start for you then?
Speaker 1Definitely, yeah. My family, which I was born in Liverpool, and the rest of my family are from there as well, and they just realized that Ernest Mom was such a beautiful place to live, and they used to come and sail here all the time, and they decided to stay here permanently, and I was just lucky to to be able to grow up here. Yeah.
Speaker 4Oh, fantastic. Cool. Oh, nice one, thank you.
Speaker 1Go on, Dad.
Speaker 2I suppose um I'm quite similar to Carol, really. I was I was born and brought up in Liverpool. I lived in a place called Seaforth, so I I mean it wasn't a very clean place then, but yeah, I can remember it without life, the sea, and now with life. So yeah, it was you know, it was where we played basically. And my grandfather had an had um a woodyard down on where the Seaforth docks are now, you know, where the if you know Seaforth well, where they built where they built the flyover and and the you got the shredder and whatnot when my grandfather had he lived there, he had a little woodyard down there. This was before the day, you know, they built up the docks. So yeah, remember the gypsies used to come and then and then I married a Welshman and ended up here and still live by the sea. So yeah, it's just always been in my life, the sea.
Speaker 4Yeah. Oh, lovely, brilliant. Thank you.
SpeakerOkay, so I was born in Nottingham, but have practically no memories of Nottingham because we moved to Desseth near Pristatin when I was very small. My very first memory of the sea, though, however, was on holiday in Cornwall. So I would have been maybe three years old, and I saw a girl swimming in the sea, and I thought that looked pretty cool. I'm off to do that. So, me being quite independent, wandered off into the sea, and I have this memory of my father running down the beach in maroon swimming trunks to me out of the water because I was actually drowning. Very shortly after that, we did, as I say, we moved to North Wales and again brought up by the sea, very much like uh Carol and Deb's, and was actually taught to swim in the sea on Barkby Beach in Pristatin, which was quite filthy. It was you know, you'd sink into really disgusting mud, and I did not care. I just had to be in the sea, and as I say, I was taught to swim in the sea, and so it's always been in my life, and I've always been quite obsessed with being in it and in water.
Speaker 4Oh wow, brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 3So, how did all three of you meet up?
SpeakerI try to think it's it's it's quite a while ago now.
Speaker 1Me and my running, I think, brought the three of us together at some point, didn't we? Really?
SpeakerI I think running brought me me to you, Carol. But yeah, I I know Debbie, Debbie is a big cyclist, and Debbie had set up a Facebook page called Female Cycling Buddies Group. I decided that I needed to do a triathlon and indeed an iron man at some point. And I thought, well, may as well cycle with some women. And I met Debbie, and it was the most bonkers evening I think I've ever spent with someone, because only I turned up for this ride, and she made me do hill reps everywhere around Bumaris, Thangoid, Slandona, and talked the entire time whilst I was dying going up hills, and she was like tripping up them like they were absolutely nothing. But um, it was such a positive experience. But I met Carol through running. I don't know how you two met each other though.
Speaker 2We met through through through your link with running then. No, when the we met, I met Carol when the Bumoris Town Roadrunners started. Yeah. So that was what 12, 11 and a half years ago. Now that one was, yeah, yeah. So that's how we met, but we sort of all live in the same area. We all live within a couple of miles of each other, which is nothing in these remote, the remote parts, yeah. Yeah. Or within sight of the sea.
SpeakerThat was that was one of my conditions of marriage with my husband. It was I wasn't taking his stupid surname, I wasn't ironing his shirts, and wherever we lived, we had to be able to see the sea from our house. They were the conditions of marriage.
Speaker 4Excellent. And you're still not ironing shirts?
SpeakerDefinitely not. Brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 4Oh so how did this crazy scheme of yours start then? Or maybe maybe tell us a little bit about about it in general, because you know, the people listening to this won't ever have a clue, but uh yeah, give us a give us a little bit of the backstory and the whys and why for wherefores.
SpeakerCarol and I uh did lots of running, and I thought, you know, and and then can I mention about how we got into swimming? Carol got Carol got osteoporosis, and it was such a big runner, and it was a real problem for her because she'd get these little fractures. And I remember one summer sitting with her and saying, right, let's go swimming, because I'd started open water swimming, and I knew Debbie had as well, but I hadn't actually been swimming with Debbie. And so I took Carol to Flamberris Lake, and you know, we I mean, I don't don't get me wrong, we've I've always been in the sea, has ever as has everybody, but we started to sort of do more distance in the sea. So anyway, I took Carol to Flamberis, and the next thing I knew, she bought a wetsuit and was well into it, and then Deb's was brought along by Carol, and we did a lot of swimming, we did triathlons and we did swimming events, and we live in the sea, and as often as we can we go. And during the pandemic, we were sort of separated. Um, and uh that wasn't so great. And by the time we were allowed to meet up as a three outdoors, we decided, or Carol decided, we were going to swim around on Islandwim. So off we trotted on a fairly misty overcast day down to the beach there where there was nobody, and thought, well, let's just get in. We hadn't really got a great clue as to what the tide would do, what the currents would be like. We just thought, well, it's going round high water, it'll probably be fairly slack. And that was our knowledge. So we swam round the island and it was absolutely brilliant. And I seem to remember though, please correct me, girls, if I'm wrong. I seem to remember saying, Well, if we can swim round that, we can swim round Anglesey. And Debs went, Yeah, I reckon you're right there. I've been thinking about that too. And Carol said, Yeah, you two are bonkers, but I'm in. And that's how it was pretty much, pretty much born. So I suppose it would be fair to say that I'm the planner pretty much of all the swims. I do take advice. I don't always need to take advice, but I've learnt a huge amount about what this water does around Dunnismo.
Speaker 4So have you finished the the round Anglesey Bay?
SpeakerYou all no. Go on, somebody else speak. It's always me.
Speaker 1We've gone quite far, though, I have to say. We started off at part of Penmon, which is not far from the Dove Coast, if you know that sort of side of the island. So we started off there and we we started in stages. I think we've done 34 stages all together now. We've gone along the coast all the way down the Menai Strait, we've gone round South Stack, we've gone round sections of the island that people said wasn't possible, but we've done it and we've near enough gone up to the top part of the island now along. We've only got a it's quite a short section to go now. So we've done really, really well.
Speaker 4Oh, fantastic. So and do you think you'll be able to carry on through the winter, or is the winter going to give you a pause and start again in the spring?
Speaker 1I mean, what what's the we have hoped to do another couple of sections by now, but with logistics and one thing and another with with things that hasn't quite worked out, but we would have still done. And hopefully we might get another one in before the winter. It's the period of time that we have to stay in the water. It gets to a point where if we want to do quite a stretch, we we can't stay in for too long. And it's just a case of of logistics and making sure that we've got people there to help us as well, you know, because we're out there for such a long time.
Speaker 4So do you have like a set support crew or uh look looking on your Facebook page, it looks like you you grab different people for different legs. Is that is that how it's been? Have I got got that right?
SpeakerWe've we've had we've had sort of a little crew of regular kayakers up until the point that we hit Carmel Head. But that north coast, you know, it's really difficult to swim because you have to swim fairly far out to sea. It's not been like the the West Coast where you can sort of go in and out a bit. You know, the currents are strong and the eddies are really, really difficult. You can't you can't swim through the eddies, you know, they they they come back at you, so you have to get out into a tidal flow. So we've opted to take a rib with us for that that north coast. It's unclear what we'll do once we get around Point Linus, but uh you know, I think a rib all the way till there, and and then we'll see. I don't know any of that area, our area has really been the strait. That's what we understood and knew. After that, the West Coast wasn't too difficult, but the North Coast really has been. And again, it's you know, we all have stuff in our lives, you know. Carol's got a small child and is a school teacher, so that removes all possibilities that aren't weekends and holidays, and then she still needs to do things. And Deb's does a million triathlons and is iron woman supreme and represents her age group for the UK for Wales, and you know, she's she's just awesome, and you know, I I still work as as an obstetrician gynecologist and teach swimming and coach swimming and coach open water swimming. So we're all we're all very, very busy.
Speaker 1Can I just add those two are supposed to be retired, but it's it's the two of them that are hard to fix to a date, not me.
Speaker 2Yeah, and and we did, I mean, when we started this, we we started this as an adventure. So we were always we always knew it was going to be like this, that you know, it is an adventure, and we never put a time scale on it, and we've had a pandemic and everything in the middle of it all. But you know, what we've what we've what we've done is we've kept true to our word is you know, we've we when we finish this swim, we're gonna have the most beautiful outline of an as mom on on Carol's because Carol's Carol's the tech girl and the camera girl, and you know, she she does the videos as well. So, you know, when we're finished, we're gonna have this wonderful swim outline of an as mom. So, you know, it never was to a time scale, it was because you know, lots of things have happened and you know things have had to. I mean, we had a season where the winds just ruined everything. You know, we'd actually go for this, we'd we'd we'd turn up for a section of the swim, and then you know, one of our you know, our support crew would say, right, there's no swimming today. Okay, you know, so you know, it has it it is full of challenges. It is actually, you know, for me, it is not an easy, it's not an easy thing to do. Oh, I'm swimming around and it's more. It is absolutely you know, the the the things that you come across with the waters, you know, we've had, you know, we've had to be taken out at times because we, you know, we couldn't swim against the eddies, you know, we've been stuck in eddies, we've had a great laugh. We really have, and we're very fortunate that you know that we've we've got people who that are willing to support us, and you know, without them we couldn't do it. That's what it goes, isn't it? We couldn't have done it, could we?
SpeakerThere have been people who have poo-pooed us though, as well. Oh, they have, yes, yes. Uh you know, a fair bit of this is ridiculous, it's dangerous, you know. I'm not gonna mention names or anything like that. That doesn't seem the right thing to do. But when we were trying to get around Carmel Head earlier this year, I'd been put in touch with someone who was a sort of an expert in that area, and and they they said there's no way we can we're supporting this, it's way too dangerous. And I said, Well, could you give us some information, local information around that area as soon as you know it? And we were told the water's deep, it's cold, and it's full of jellyfish. And we're like, Yeah, we kind of are used to jellyfish, and we've been stung a lot, we know it's cold, we're acclimatised, and yeah, it's deep water. So the naysayers haven't have been out there as well, but but the support has been incredible. I mean, and and the Coast Guard has been amazing, hasn't he?
Speaker 2Absolutely. He's been behind us, he just refers to us as the three mad ladies now, don't we? You know, they're in the water when he warns the boat, you know, the the votes in the vicinity. So, yeah, they've been really supportive. Yeah, so I mean, you know, we have to have permission to go through Hollyhead, didn't we? The port of Hollyhead, you can't just swim through it, you know. Oh, right, it all has to be you have to get permission and certain days.
SpeakerDrunk or anything like that, you know.
unknownYeah, yeah.
Speaker 2So it it it is, it has been, you know, a big adventure with a lot of paperwork that goes on video making.
SpeakerI reckon we've seen things people haven't seen, even from a kayak, it's different to swimming. Yeah, yeah. I think one of the favourite things we I was told by we we asked a gentleman called Richard Hughes, who's a superb kayaker and supper, and he supported us going from Porth Refith round South Stack, North Stack, and into Soldier's Point. And when in my chat with him leading up to that, you know, we'd done some reckies on land to look at it, and everyone was saying, You can't swim through the fangs, you you know, that's just off the range there. You can't swim through there, that's a terribly dangerous place to go. And I I said to Richard, you know, is it is it gonna kill us? You know, because we don't we're not up for being killed, you know, safety first. And he said, Ah, the thing is, you're talking to kayakers, they don't want to swim, that's why they're saying it's a problem, but you're already in the water, you know, you're coming at it for your egos, you know, it's a very, very different thing, and that that that is absolutely true, you know. You you you're in the water, kayakers don't want to swim, you know. They that's not their goal, but yeah, we've seen stuff and done stuff, and racing through the fangs was one of one of the most brilliant things ever, as was going round Carmel Head. It was bonkers, but so much fun, so much fun.
Speaker 4Yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 3So, how how far is each of your sections that you're doing each time?
Speaker 1They really do vary. It or obviously it depends on the tide, and Chris will explain more about that, but also logistics with vehicles and where we can park. What sometimes we have to take one vehicle to the end so that we can swim, get out, get into the vehicle and get back to the first one. Sometimes we get a lift back on the on the rib. It really depends. That the longest one we've done, I think, is from when we went from Porto Braach in Menai Bridge all the way down to the C Zoo. So that was about 12 kilometres with a couple of stops. We stopped at Place Newith for a picnic. We had some flapjacks and we rolled down the uh the bank in our wetsuits like like five-year-olds, and then we ended up at Place Menai for another stop, and we we did some well, we had some shenanigans on a massive uh paddle board, an eight eight-person paddle board, and then we ended up with a picnic at the Sizoo at the other end. So that that's probably our longest one, if I'm right. But some of them look a bit shorter. It depends what support we've got as well.
SpeakerUm, and it it depends, it depends again, you know, on the tidal flow. I mean, that flow, there was you know, decent flow, ditto on the north of the island. You know, we've done a couple of 7k swims there, going out of Abermeni from the Sisu, that was eight and a half K or something. But you know, the the ones where there's not so much tidal assistance, they're maybe three, four kilometres, that that kind of thing. So it it it it depends on how much assistance we get. I mean, we we haven't really stayed in the long in the water longer than four hours, and we're not always swimming. Quite often we're messing around, you know. Carol makes us do her version of synchronized swimming, which is utterly terrible, but we do laugh like you know, like yeah, like five-year-olds, you know, there's we we have fun. It's it's not an endurance thing, though clearly it is, but it's not like about that. It's about having fun, you know, I don't know, being a little bit childish, seeing things, going in caves, looking at what's underwater, what sea life we can see, you know, what's under a rock, what's under a boat, what's what's what's where, you know, and everywhere's different and it's all beautiful.
Speaker 1And I think sometimes we've we've come along to a section and we've thought, oh, maybe we're not going to see very much today, and maybe I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna say the word boring because none of it's gonna be boring anyway, but maybe you think, oh, it's a bit of a sort of barren landscape for us along here. And we have been so surprised. I can't think of any section where I've come away thinking, oh, that was, you know, I was just thinking about the swimming and I wasn't thinking about what was around me. Because even if you just go over a little bit of seaweed or you get stuck in something, you know, I I shriek. It stops these two. They think, what on earth happened? I've got caught in a bit of seaweed, or I've lost my phone or something. Yeah, and there's there's all kinds of things going on, yeah.
Speaker 2All right, it's quite it's quite bizarre as well because you know, I've met people in the middle of the sea that I know in guys. Me too, and I'm like, oh my god, hello. This is in the middle of absolutely in the sea, you know, in places that are not really accessible. It's like and I've had I've had conversations, you know, I've had conversations in the sea with people, and we've had such a laugh as well. I mean, when we went with the house in um the Scooby-Doo house, I mean, that was such a uh laugh that we had. Because again, the Eddie, the Eddie got in the way of that one, and you know, it was you know, we it was just crazy, you know, and then getting assistance from some, you know, very helpful fishermen to bring us in and so we could, you know, get out.
SpeakerWe start having having just sat there and gone nowhere for an hour or so.
Speaker 2Yeah, it was yeah, yeah, it's it you do have a laugh. It is quite um, you know, we do we do we do laugh quite hard about these things, but you know, it's it's it it never, you know, it's it's a lot of fun, but you Equally, you've always got to be ready for something that's oh, we've got to call this a day. We're gonna have to get in here again from this point next time.
SpeakerYeah.
Speaker 2Because we haven't quite got where we wanted to go. So, you know, there's a lot of that. But then I think, you know, because we don't treat it, we treat it more as an adventure rather than some serious endurance event. We're not, we never put time pressures on ourselves. So I think that makes it more fun as well, because we don't have that pressure, do we? I mean, obviously, we want to finish it.
SpeakerWe've learned so much as well, you know. I mean, I've I've learnt so much about the logistics of planning it all, but also things like we didn't know what sea squirt was, but now we know what sea squirt was. And uh Debbie can wax lyrical about how barnacles reproduce because you know barnacle expert, a barnacle at barnacle expert, yeah. Expert, I think.
Speaker 2They're fascinating creatures, and I just thought they were just a bit of shell on a rock, yeah. But no, there are academics who have spent their whole lives studying them, yeah, and you know, for very rare, very rare moments and sights, yeah. So, yeah, so I've and I've you know I've shared that knowledge on, so we're all pretty, you know, about barnacles now.
SpeakerYeah, there is a swim where she um explains it to a friend of mine I found swimming in the sea on on one of our videos. If if you want to know how barnacles reproduce, it's very interesting. Debbie will tell you all about it in that video.
Speaker 1So many creatures, it's been amazing. Literally, the last normally we quite often see seals, they they come and say hello and they they go away generally.
SpeakerIn very close quarters, yeah.
Speaker 1But on our last novel mourn section, we encountered a pod of dolphin, and they we were we because we were a little bit further out, I think, and they came, they were really inquisitive, and there were there was at least 10 of them that came and and came to say hello and circled us for quite a while.
Speaker 4Wow.
Speaker 1By which time we got ourselves into an eddy and couldn't get any further, but it was weird.
SpeakerBut it was the fact that the tide the tide did change direction, that's what happened there. Um, but I haven't published that video yet. It's due it's on my list of things to do. So you know, if you do want to have a look at it, it's it's pretty good. I'd like to also point out that I was about 200 metres away from the dolphin action and got none of it. It was those two in the middle. I'm so jealous.
Speaker 4So where can people follow your journey? Is it your Facebook novio mon? Is that where you and you've put some bits out on YouTube, haven't you? Some of your your films.
Speaker 2Well, Carol's videos are there, aren't they? Yeah.
Speaker 1I get because sometimes we have kayakers, sometimes obviously we have people on a rib or whoever, and we have our own phones with us as well in in waterproof cases. So I just gather everybody's photos and videos together. I create a movie with them, I add relive as well, where my Strava connects to an app that shows the actual course. So I slice it all together, takes quite a while, and I find some very generic music on the internet that I am allowed to use without infringing any kind of copyright law. And then put it all together, and then I send it over to Chris, and then she creates the blog, and we we share it then. So the videos are all on YouTube, and then we share share the link with with Chris's blog then on on the Facebook page and on Instagram as well.
Speaker 4Oh, brilliant. Well, what we'll do, we'll put the links in on the the show notes.
Speaker 3What do you think the ocean is trying to tell us? And do you think we are listening?
Speaker 4A bit of a deep one that isn't it?
Speaker 3It is a bit deep.
Speaker 2Oh I I think it's it's uh it's a different world, isn't it? It's uh something we should be looking we should be looking after better.
SpeakerYeah, girls. A lot better.
Speaker 2Oh, a lot better, exactly.
SpeakerYeah, I mean, you know, it's disappointing, isn't it? You know, we you know the ocean is rising, sea levels are rising. We're not going to be able to stand in the way of the ocean. It doesn't matter how powerful we think we are as a species. Blocking, you know, rising seawater is not something that we will be able to sustain or maintain in any you know manner that will preserve you know the you know the land mass as it is. And we you know we can continue to continue to abuse the planet, don't we? You know, on a on a local scale, on a national scale, on an international scale, and it's it's it's sad. And I guess, you know, if we don't if we don't completely destroy it, you know, I guess it'll destroy us it'll destroy us. Yes, mother nature early on, you know, it'll be nature, yeah.
Speaker 2Than the sea. Yeah, I when it's storming, it's like there's nothing there's nothing we can't, as humans, we can't survive those conditions, and um yeah, we we should look after our planet better, but I think inevitably the the sea will win. Yeah, yeah, when we've destroyed it that much, yeah, and and good on it, yes, we'll all be it'll just be a massive there'll be no there'll be no dry land left on earth.
Speaker 4You three will be alright though.
Speaker 2Oh no, no, the water is so powerful, yeah. I mean, I think that that teaches you. I think we've learned quite a lot as well, haven't we, about water on the power of water, and you know, at the end of the day, it's the boss, yeah.
SpeakerYeah, it's always bigger, bigger and better than we are, yeah. Yeah, yeah, we we have to work with it as opposed to yeah.
Speaker 2I think we've learned, haven't we? It's it's something that has to be treated with respect. Just can't jump in and off we go. Yes, you've gotta be you just gotta really respect it and be careful and read the waters and maybe learn about water as well. You know, most I'm not saying most people, but generally people don't really understand, you know, how you know how the actual, you know, the tides, the currents, the eddies, the dangers, and I think um, yeah. Yeah, but you carol, you're quiet.
Speaker 1I was thinking more of a lighter note that you know, we we have spent so much time together, it's been a wonderful experience to share with people close to you. And that you know, that the sea we live on an island, the seas all the way around us, and it'll be just a fantastic feeling when we have completed it because we will, you know, to have been able to do this with our you know, best friends, you know, it'd be fantastic. And everybody else that's joined us on our journey, you know, on our journey around the island.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, and we've we have been so lucky, haven't we? We've had some really nice stops, you know. I mean, the videos show them, you know, the the chips at the gazelle, the tomato sauce, the witches' picnics. Yeah, we we really have had some good supports.
Speaker 1What was you interested in Gallery's point?
Speaker 3What's been your best memory so far of your journey?
Speaker 1I think I have to say for me that that the last leg of of being in that pod of dolphins, it was it was quite something else. It brought me to tears in the middle of the ocean.
Speaker 2Wow, yeah, especially and I I think I always sort of I I sort of hold myself, I mean, yeah, that was fantastic, that was amazing with with the dolphins, but I think I always think about the red velvet cake at Friars Bay. I always always have a laugh about that because we just couldn't stop laughing and we didn't even know why we were laughing at the side of the road when we got out of our swim. So I always think of that very fondly, yeah, you know, with the simple things.
SpeakerI think I mean I don't know. There's so many brilliant moments. Yeah, there's lots and lots. Carol's bringing the tomato ketchup on me on Gallows Point in the middle of the introduction, and I did not know that she was going to do that. That makes more sense.
Speaker 2Yeah, and it has to be the Tower of Doom as well.
Speaker 1The Tower of Doom. I swam down the first section of the strait with a bottle of Heinz ketchup in my toe float because I knew at the end we would be having some chips. I had to make sure I had some sauce koch with me. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SpeakerI don't know. I think it's been a lot of an amazing adventure and a tale of you know, so far an amazing adventure of just brilliant friendship and you know being part of a very, very big phenomenon, and that's the sea.
Speaker 2Yep, yep. And and you know, and and it it has, you know, we've all been through different, you know, with problems in life, life gets in the way, and you know, we've all you know, we've all sort of had you know things that have that have not popped up as such, but you know, got you know, life's life, isn't it? You know, never is smooth. And it it's been nice to be able to, you know, get in that sea and you know, just live. I think it you forget, you forget your problems in the water. I always forget my problems in the water. Yeah, it's um yeah, yeah, I think so. Just for that time, you know, it is it's very good. Water is very good for that. Yeah, you can just forget everything that's going on in the background and just focus on just having a nice jolly in the sea. It's a tonic, it's a tonic, it really is a tonic. Vitamin C is very much the thing, yeah.
Speaker 4Awesome, yeah. Well, once are they thank you so much for yeah for your time and telling us your your stories. A little bit jealous, although I know I wouldn't be able to do it myself.
Speaker 3But it sounds really interesting.
Speaker 4It does, yeah, yeah.
SpeakerWell, when we finish in the end mon when we finish in Penmon, you can come to our beach party. Oh, lovely.
Speaker 4We'll be there. We'll be there. Yeah, and hopefully we'll you know this. You might be famous by then.
Speaker 2Fame the three famous Madeline.
SpeakerI would like I would like to write a book about it though, because it's it's nice, yeah, yeah, it's uplifting and nice.
Speaker 3But then what's your next adventure gonna be?
SpeakerAh we are in discussion.
Speaker 2Oh dear, just gotta get this one done.
SpeakerYeah, yeah, it has to be finished. But there will always be something else. That's the way we are. Oh, yeah, there'll always be some just.
Speaker 4Okay, well, nice to meet you.
SpeakerWell, yeah, and thank you so much as well.
Speaker 4Been really, really nice chatting to you all. Yeah, and we'll definitely catch up again. Well, they were a real hoot, weren't they?
Speaker 3They were. They were, and it it sounded like a real adventure as well and very inspiring.
Speaker 4Yeah, definitely. Although I don't like the cold water so much myself, but I wish I wish I did. I'm looking forward to the party when they finish.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah. And you know what? That next adventure sounds really interesting. I wonder what it's gonna be.
Speaker 4Yeah, there's obviously something in the pipeline there, isn't there? Keeping it a secret school. We'll have to keep following them to see what they get up to.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah. And you can follow them on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube.
Speaker 4Hmm, well, we you should. I think you should as well if you enjoyed the conversation. Keep following them, keep following us.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 4We've got plenty more episodes in the pipeline ourselves.
Speaker 3Yeah, definitely. So stay tuned for the next episode. Yeah.
Speaker 4So we hope you enjoyed it, and we really look forward to seeing you next time.