Ryder Cup Wrap Up and Sanderson Farms Championship Mega Preview

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The Second Cut gets you everything you need in the world of golf on the PGA Tour and more! Tournament previews, storylines for each week, and in-depth players reviews. Hosted by Rick Gehman (@RickRunGood). Joined by Greg DuCharme (@therealGFD), Mark Immelman (mark_immelman), and Patrick McDonald (@pmcdonaldCBS).

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SPEAKER_01: 0:08

Welcome on in. This is the second cut. I'm Rick Gaiman, and today we are putting a bow on the 2025 Rider Cup and looking ahead because golf never stops to the Sanderson Farms Championship. Joining me to do just that, Greg Ducharm is here.

SPEAKER_02: 0:24

Rick, Mark, great to be with you today. I'm looking forward to putting a bow on the Ryder Cup. I've gotten very worked up over this, very frustrated. Um, and and I'm looking forward to hearing Mark's thoughts. I'm looking forward to putting a bow on it and getting back to some 72-hole stroke play. I'm I'm really excited about that.

SPEAKER_01: 0:46

Uh a man who needs no introduction, a man who wears his initial on his head. It is Mark Immelman. Mark, it's good to see you.

SPEAKER_00: 0:53

That M is for municipal. It's not for Mark, just for the record. Um, yeah, it's good to be with you guys. Greg, I was really sad that I missed your rants over the last few days last week at the Ryder Cup. So um, maybe you can reprise some of them in the show for me.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10

Well, I I was going to tee up Mark here because we didn't get a chance to get Mark's thoughts post-Ryder Cup. But when a man says he is worked up, when a man comes out with his monologue and says he's worked up, I've got to start there. So, Greg, Greg, what has got what's got you worked up about the Ryder Cup?

SPEAKER_02: 1:30

Well, we've been talking about this for two days now, right, after, and we talked about it during as well. And there's um an attitude among some of the people, which uh why does it bother me? I mean, it I don't know why it bothers me, but you know, we've been taking calls on the radio show, and uh the attitude of um, you know, we just didn't make any putts, they just played better is prevalent. And it it bothers me because this has happened far too many times for that to be the case. Um, and and I'm not saying that if we made better decisions, we would have won. But uh we didn't put ourselves in a position to say they just made more putts. And and I think you can do that. And so um the thing that really uh bothers me is that we got out, we we got outworked. And and I know that Keegan and his team worked very hard on this. I I don't doubt the effort, um, but uh maybe we didn't work smart enough because their their strategy was simply better than ours. Um theirs is easy to identify, ours is not, and and those kind of things really they they bother me because I want the U.S. to win the Ryder Cup. This is this is now a uh 11 of the last 16 we've lost. Right? It's two of the last four we've lost at home. Um and and it even goes, I mean, we lost uh at home before that, too. So you know, it just um is upsetting to me, and I want to fix it. And I I don't get the sense that it's gonna get fixed. I don't know who our savior is in the rider group. And and so part of this is I think I think this is you're gonna see on my grids going forward a lot of Europe. And it I I don't want to do that.

SPEAKER_01: 3:29

I I like that you're already teasing your grids for two years from now, four years from now, six years from now, that we might be seeing Europe, Europe, a lot of Europe within those grids. Okay, Mark, so let's let's get your thoughts on this because as you know, this always happens after um, you know, after the rider cup, or really after any big event like this. We've been talking about it for two years. And then what's going to start to happen? It's already starting, and I'm sure it'll continue. These little details will start coming out, right? You'll start hearing about things that were said or things that were happened, and and everybody will kind of put this picture together. But as of right now, which is September 30th at 5:35 p.m. Eastern time, the picture that's being put together is that Team Europe nailed all of the details off the golf course, uh, nailed all the details in terms of strategy and potentially preparation. And the plan that the United States had has a lot of people wanting more and wondering what that plan actually was.

SPEAKER_00: 4:32

Yeah, okay. I got a lot of thoughts on this. Um I I want to start sort of at the grassroots of it all. Because match play, and I do want to see the grid because I felt like my grid last week did pretty well. I know I picked Fleetwood as the top points earner.

SPEAKER_01: 4:48

You did. And you're up to win. Yeah, we'll we'll get you the grid from last week.

SPEAKER_00: 4:52

Yeah, because my NFL, I'm done with that unmeleed cost. Um back to matchplay. Matchplay is a mindset. And I hosted those tours for PepsiCo a couple a day. Um, and Dottie Pepper and I did a uh pre-tournament dinner for the guests. And so we talked about the vagaries of matchplay, and it's exactly that. And match play is a mindset. And match play is one of those things like someone on Friday morning, because at Pepsi they were all American fans naturally, and so they were like, Well, you're the lone, you know, European in here. And I was like, I'm an American citizen, but I pull for my friends, kind of thing. But the Europeans and the internationals play a whole lot more matchplay than what Americans do. It's just as simple as that. Uh inter-club matches over in Europe and in the rest of the world, you start playing match play as soon as you can make your club team. Where in the United States everything's about stroke play. And then this third this Thursday, Friday morning conversation I had with someone, they were like, so why is Scotty so bad in match play? And I'm like, he's not really bad in match play. It's just Scotty is a marathon guy. He's used to four rounds of golf. And they pace themselves as such. And that's the first thing. So if you really want to, you know, investigate and have some sort of task force against making the current Ryder Cup crew stronger, you start them playing match play earlier. Because it's a skill that you learn. Uh it's as simple as that. Then I do want to say about the data, and I have I heard people on golf channel and stuff saying the Europeans' data was different. Here's the reality, man. When you stick a T peg in the ground on Friday morning or Saturday morning or Sunday morning, the data and the resume go straight out of the window.

SPEAKER_01: 6:38

Cause that's uh Mark Mark is currently putting his fingers into the shape of a sphincter, if you are uh not watching on YouTube.

SPEAKER_00: 6:47

Yeah, nothing tightens. So so everyone will tell you what separates the Ryder Cup from every other tournament as a player is the nerves that you over. If you don't believe me, go and look at that very cool post by Whoop where they had a whoop on JT when he was over the winning pot on 18. That dude's heart rate got to about 158 beats a minute. Okay. So imagine trying to calm yourself down in this situation. You actually don't. You just learn to embrace it. And I feel like the folks that do really well embrace the way you feel in this match play thing, and they realize that I'm just playing against one guy, and I'm okay with playing sort of some crazy offense at times and then playing situational golf at other times when people are out of play. So that's number two, where match play you can have data to say, well, so-and-so must play off these T's and so-and-so must play off those T's. Uh yeah, it is what it is, and that stuff's correct, but that doesn't mean you're gonna win. It means you stack the odds in your favor. And then along those lines, too, um people need to really realize that the match play, that the President's Cup and the Ryder Cup are couples events, it's not a singular thing. And if you look at pictures of the Ryder Cup, you see Justin Rose holding Tommy Fleetwood by his face, like this. Because these guys are connected brains, basically, when they go out there and play. They're essentially acting like one man with two golf balls in a group. And so there's a way that they connect and they vibe with each other a little differently to the Americans. And then I want to say this. There was almost because the Euros are masters at putting keeping themselves the underdog. Like they've won this thing how many times now, Greg, in the last how many years?

SPEAKER_02: 8:33

Yeah, 11 of the last 15.

SPEAKER_00: 8:35

Yeah, if you interview each and every one of the things. 16. Yeah, they'll still say, We're the underdogs. Look, they're ranked higher than us. And they use that thing to their advantage. And then when Keegan makes some asinine statement to be like, we're gonna kick their effing rear end at Beth Page Black, did you see Luke Donald stuck that thing on his team room?

SPEAKER_01: 8:53

Of course he did.

SPEAKER_00: 8:54

Of course he did. And then you could see how they were thinking when he uh got up and made a very, very good opening ceremony speech where he's just lobbing little dots over the cross the bow there saying, we play for pride of country and stuff, and this is not for money. Because they are masters at keeping themselves the underdog. And then when they take a Scotty Scheffler down, they celebrate it. It's like they have felled Goliath. And so the whole thing about this whole tournament is you can shout at me about data and you can talk to me about this and that and having the right captain. It's a mindset. And match play is a mindset. And these Europeans, they want the Ryder Cup more than the Americans do. The Americans can say it. The Americans ooze it. Pardon me, the Europeans ooze it. They don't need to tell you they want to win the Ryder Cup. You can feel it when you're around them. And that is to me what the real difference is. And and then they used all the crowds there in New York in New York. Did you see how the team gathered around Rory McElroy and how they got up for him when he was getting ripped by the fans out there? It was they they become one man with a common goal. And that goal is that little gold trophy. And it's amazing how they've done this. It is absolutely amazing. It's a masterclass in leadership and a collective mindset towards a goal. It's as simple as that. You can trot out Tiger Woods next time in Ireland. The Euros will go, that's an even bigger galah for us to take down. Watch us.

SPEAKER_02: 10:18

That's right. I get I get a question about the uh Keegan thing. Right. Rory, right after the last Ryder Cup, says we're gonna go to Beth Page and beat them. Is that on in our team room?

SPEAKER_00: 10:31

I don't know. He should have had it in there.

SPEAKER_02: 10:33

Right? Like I I don't know either. Um I would I would love to think that it is, but I I didn't hear anything about that. I I would uh it it feels they win that battle too. They control the messaging, whether it's true or not. The money thing is it's just it's not true, but they win in that.

SPEAKER_00: 10:55

That is so true because did you notice as soon as they win, they've got freaking Shane Larry in Ryder Cup pajamas with a bottle of champagne on a big couch in front of that sign on their wall. You didn't see what was happening with the Americans. And then you see these Euros in the bus the bus ride back home. They just it this is like a life-changing event for them. It is it's incredible.

SPEAKER_01: 11:20

This is the the Michael Jordan chip on the shoulder thing where Michael Jordan, the greatest basketball player ever, and absolutely in his era, uh, is finding any possible thing to feel slighted about and to feel like he's the underdog and to feel like he has to take it to somebody. Oh, he didn't say hello to me in a restaurant. Now I've got to go and just absolutely demolish this guy and come to find out, like, he makes that up, right? He's just making up things in his head, but like that's that's what keeps it's very similar to what Europe does. They take all these little things and they say, Look, look, everybody's against us. We're the underdogs, let's go prove them wrong.

SPEAKER_00: 11:58

Yeah, and then and then to that too, I'll tell you who was the master of that bulletin board material. It was Brooks Kepka. And he had a cadre of folks around him too that would be say, Hey, Brooks, did you see what Bryson said about you? And they just get him aggravated. Now you can't play golf aggravated, but the Euros seem to get it just enough where it kind of lights them up, it gets the adrenaline going, and then they play free because to get into the real nuts and bolts of it, you can say what you like when your people were showing all these like stroke scan numbers, which are sort of asinine because again, a lot of these things you're playing with a partner at your side, so you're a little different. But the Europeans play partner golf more freely. If I if if I saw one American putt miss on the low side or short, I saw countless. And then you watch those Euros, you're wondering why they're knocking in from all ranges? Because they're rolling the ball at the hole with authority. They're playing as if there's no tomorrow. They got their hair on fire going, I'm gonna I'm playing to make this. I'm not playing not to lose. And I felt like the Americans on the first couple days, they they were like, oh gosh, just don't lose this hole, as opposed to just going, we're in a sprint, man. This thing's gonna last 16 holes. I've got to fill it up. And that's what the Europeans did.

SPEAKER_01: 13:10

I was taking some notes while while Mark was going through that. And a couple of the items that he pointed out, Greg, were the Europeans play match play earlier and they just vibe better, right? Throughout a collective mind. How does that's a pretty tall task for the for United States to fix those two things um within two years, right? That's a cultural thing. That's a long time. You build into that. That's not something you flip a switch on.

SPEAKER_02: 13:41

No, I don't think you can flip a switch. But see, this is where this is really important because what do you do when you can't solve a problem, right? You like that that attitude comes from their past success, which Savvy Ballesteros created that success because he created this different attitude, and they look back to him constantly, and it continues to leave success. So we haven't we we don't have a savior like that. You know, looking back to Ben Hogan and his captaincies, it's kind of like, well, okay, they beat Great Britain, then it went to Great Britain and Ireland, and then they had to go to Europe. Like we were just better. Um with Sevi, they were real underdogs and and he turned them around. So we don't have that yet. So what do we do? And and it feels sometimes like the attitude is, well, you know, that's the way it is. And we got to solve that. And and I think the solve to that is we have to be better at the things that we can control. Uh the the data may not make you win a point, but it gives you a better chance to win a point, like you said, Mark. Well, we we can't afford not to do that. If it has, if it improves our odds at all to win a point, we got to do that. We have to be a well-run organization. We got to compete in the messaging, we got to compete in the data. Like we could literally copy their strategy for pairings and see what happens. Uh, you know, and I think that's an inspiring thing. If you tell a tour player that you they're gonna make more birdies if they hit driver on a certain hole, they will hit driver with more confidence than if you just tell them to hit driver. Right? If you if you can prove it a little bit, they're they're gonna have more. Oh, you're telling me this is the this is the best shot. This shot is a a better shot for me to hit. I'll do better. Okay. They believe it. Uh, and and so there are just all these little areas where we we don't have to solve the whole problem at once, in my opinion. We just have to take every little mini competition, and we got to do better. And every single one.

SPEAKER_00: 16:00

I I agree wholeheartedly. Uh, and I do want to point out uh you got to give some credit where it's due. Um, you know, when you talk about having that personality you you you kind of get in behind. Because the Europeans, I'm not sure if you're aware, I was told that the silhouette of Sevy, you know, when when he's winning at St. Andrews, you know, when he's pumping his fists, they had that embroidered on the backside of their team logo on their heart. And it's it's a little it's little, and then then they they're looking at all of the uniforms of previous teams that had won in the United States and they're wearing them in practice rounds. So they're kind of nodding to the history while being current. Now, I commend Keegan Bradley with bringing Larry Nelson back in there, you know, because he's tying the whole military thing in with a guy who's unbeaten, a guy who should have been captain, and and and that sort of a deal. And so Keegan was doing his best. Um, and yes, I feel like as far as um management went, hindsight's 2020, um, but I will say I felt like there was a misstep with the Russell and Scotty order on Friday morning. I felt like Scotty should have teed off first, because when I was watching them play, Russ was in the ball in fairways, but as soft as it was, Scotty was having long irons to a lot of targets, and that's not his wheelhouse. Okay. But then I feel like also the golf course. I mean, when I when I took a walk around there the first time with Rick and with Patrick, I remember saying a few times to you guys, you guys, I was like, gosh, the last time I was here for the PGA. I mean, I was having to remove ticks from myself because there was fescue everywhere.

SPEAKER_03: 17:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 17:40

And and the rough off the fairways was like this high, and if you missed a fairway, you were cooked. Now you could just bash the thing anywhere. And the Europeans are not short. Did you see how long Matthew Fitzpatrick was driving the ball this week? So it's like they they didn't really have a bunch of short hitters on their team. You had Rory and Raspers and all these boys that could crunch the thing, John Rahm. Um, so I feel like there was a misstep on the course setup as well. And what didn't help, it really didn't help, was we had a biblical deluge, what, two, a day and a half before the tournament, and those greens were like dark boars, man. And there's nothing really to them. They're small, but they don't have big humps and hollows, so there was no defense. So if you were, yeah, if you if you had a little mojo going on, you could attack flags. And again, the Europeans were playing as if they were playing to win, where on certain occasions I felt felt like the European Americans, not on Sunday, but on Friday, Saturday, were playing not to lose.

SPEAKER_01: 18:36

That's the first I heard about the Sevi Silhouette. I assumed they had something on the inside of their jerseys. They had that in Rome as well. It was their initials and maybe you know their their number, the European team, they assigned uh a number that you are to kind of build the legacy at your number as a as a member of Team Europe, something like that. But they also had something inside the jerseys. This the Sevi Silhouette, I I did not I assume there was something in there. That was the first I heard that's what it was.

SPEAKER_00: 19:03

Well, you know that that Lauro piano clothing that they wear, every garment is handmade.

SPEAKER_01: 19:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 19:10

And and I was told that at least 15 hands touch uh sets of hands touch every garment, and they cost like the shirts are like 850.

SPEAKER_01: 19:18

Oh, it's incredibly expensive Italian wear.

SPEAKER_02: 19:21

Yes. But we're the sophisticated uh we you know, we're the sophisticated ones in America.

SPEAKER_00: 19:27

But but that's the thing too. I mean, you you look at them and they're wearing uniforms from previous teams, which was a cool touch, and you're wearing this stuff that just makes you feel great, you know. And then um I I don't know, it's and then you've got Luke Donald, which I found very cool. You know, in the coffee stations in the hotel room, he's got Cadbury's chocolate, which we've talked about on the show, you know, with comparing it to Twix. He's had Cadbury's make chocolate bars that say Team Europe on them next to the coffee machine. And so that's a touch of home coming over here with a little motivation. And then I was told also that he went in the hotel, which we've stayed at before, incidentally, um, for the PGA championship. And he looked at the doors, he goes, No, there's too much noise that can come through these doors. So they refitted all the doors to fit better to cut noise out. And then I saw whoop readings that the average American team's rest and recovery was higher than the Americans, too. So there's another one of those little things, Greg, that you talk about.

SPEAKER_01: 20:31

Yeah, they build it up. Right, right. It's not one thing, it's all the things. There was a whoop whoop has been doing this, they've been tracking players for a couple years now, and every 10, so they have a recovery score. I think every 10% of recovery is worth like a half a stroke in a tournament or something like that, is is the data that they've come up with. We can determine whether that's I don't know, just marketing BS, but that's what they come up with. And it makes sense, right? You're you're well rested, you're ready to rock and roll, like it's all good.

SPEAKER_00: 21:05

Well, I'm I'm a whoop ambassador, right? And I believe in the thing. Oh, you are too, yeah. Um and Rory, the night before the final round of the uh um Masters, apparently was at 77%, which is green. That's you you're good to go.

SPEAKER_01: 21:18

It's good.

SPEAKER_00: 21:18

Um, and the average for the Americ uh the European team last week was like 58, which is pretty good. And the Americans were lower than that was like 54 or 5 or something like that.

SPEAKER_02: 21:29

Now it's hard to recover after 37 36 holes.

SPEAKER_00: 21:32

Yeah, that's a big deal. It really is a big deal.

SPEAKER_02: 21:34

Yeah. I mean, those strain numbers must have been well outrageous.

SPEAKER_00: 21:40

I did see yeah, exactly. I mean, my strain walking, you know, how many holes I did during the day was up there. But I did see Rory's recovery on Monday morning was one percent.

SPEAKER_01: 21:50

Well, that's I think that's the alcohol. Yeah, that's that's the alcohol lack of sleep. Alcohol will kill your recovery number. Uh 1% is very good. All right, couple, couple of notes here, real quick. Um, Mina, can you share that uh polo that I have here? Hold on. All right, this is a Laura Piano polo. This is just a short sleeve polo, two buttons at the top. How much do you think this costs?

SPEAKER_02: 22:14

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00: 22:16

$900.

SPEAKER_02: 22:17

Okay. It looks like uh, you know,$79.99.

SPEAKER_00: 22:21

Probably will.

SPEAKER_02: 22:22

Just from this picture.

SPEAKER_01: 22:23

This right, from this picture. I don't know. I'll find the material or whatever. But just from this picture, this looks like a polo that you would get at Ross for like$19. Yeah, yeah, you could say that too. I'm sure, I'm sure it's uh much better material. So, Greg, what's your what's your guess here?

SPEAKER_02: 22:40

Uh considering that I will say$4.99.

SPEAKER_01: 22:45

That is a$2,800 polo. Oh what's it?

SPEAKER_00: 22:51

Well, it's got to be wool.

SPEAKER_01: 22:53

Let me how do you buy that? Uh you can get it online. You can add it to your cart right now. It is a how do you how do you actually say yes?

SPEAKER_02: 23:01

This is for me. This is the shirt for me.

SPEAKER_01: 23:04

Uh it is uh this is the this is this is what they're describing it as 100%, and then they've trademarked this type of wool. The gift of kings virgin wool. I get a little excited at that. I'm gonna get a cold car nice. I'm pretty excited too. Uh you know, handcrafted the rarest merino wool in the world, handcrafted in Italy, like Mark said, every single, you know, every single detail.

SPEAKER_02: 23:33

But is it is it hot? I mean, is this moisture wicking? Uh what kind of breathability are we doing?

SPEAKER_00: 23:40

Yeah, if you're putting 2800 on the shirts, you got people fanning you down wherever you go.

SPEAKER_02: 23:44

Yeah, that's a good point.

SPEAKER_00: 23:46

I bet you can't even wash, you have to probably like wash it dry.

SPEAKER_01: 23:50

Yeah, like you can't even wash this normally. You gotta wash it in. Here it is. Here it is. Uh we recommend a professional cleaning service for it. Yeah, yeah. That's the polo. It only goes up from there. Long sleeves, sweaters, pants. It only goes up from there.

SPEAKER_00: 24:09

Handmade, hand wash. The ones I've seen were like 800, 900 bucks. I didn't realize they were ones that that lofty.

SPEAKER_01: 24:16

Yeah, there's a couple. I did uh I did hand pick. There, there are a couple other polos that are uh like yeah, like 900 bucks.

SPEAKER_00: 24:24

Bill, Bill in the chat goes, I can get something like that that looks at target for through 39.99.

SPEAKER_01: 24:32

Somebody said, Does money come out of the sleeves? I think it's over the money come out of the sleeves. That's funny. That's very funny. Um, any final I I I'm sure here's what's gonna happen. Ryder cup discourse is is not going to be over because we're still gonna continue to hear more stuff that comes out and all that stuff, but but anything else, Mark? It looked like you had wanted to jump in there.

SPEAKER_00: 24:52

I do. Um Beth Page Black is a good golf course, it's a great golf course. Beth Page Black for spectating was shocking. Uh an old-style golf course, all the greens are raised up, it's old skull, it's old school drainage. So if you were standing greenside, more than likely you were, unless you were in a grandstand, you weren't you weren't gonna see the ball going in the hole. So every celebration was muted and a little late. When you're walking down fairways and stuff, you're really you're so far away, you're not seeing very much stuff. And I feel like that really tapped into sort of ruining the fan vibe, or the noise at least. And then the fact that five holes are on the clubhouse side of the road, then you leave and you go over there and you don't come back until hole 14, that kind of scattered all of the fans over a massive space of land. And that really ruined the whole noise of the Ryder Cup 2. Now that ramped up on now, now you did have the Europeans drumming folks, so it had folks kind of quiet and muted, but it did get louder on Sunday, but it still was nothing like one I went to um at Hazeltine. Hazeltine was big, but it was concentrated and there was a noise all the time, and the fans were all in. Uh, whistling straights covers a lot of ground. You couldn't really hear a lot of noise either, but the Americans were dominant there. But I feel like everything was made about the fan dim in New York, and the whole thing was scuttled by the layout of the golf course. And then I almost want to say to the Americans, and this was something I was considering, so correct me if you think I'm wrong. When you asked the Europeans why they were going to win, they told you. Because we're gonna play like this, our groups are better, we've proved it, we know what we're doing. The whole thing about the American answer was like we've got the New York fans, and everyone was talking about the fans. The fans were non-existent for two-thirds of the tournament because of the way the Americans were playing, and then more importantly, the golf course. Um, I feel like for a PGA it's great because you've got 156 players out there, but for a Ryder Cup, mm-mm. No, you've got to go somewhere a little tighter where you jam people in and it gets loud.

SPEAKER_02: 27:05

I I got what I got one more question. Okay. This is the last thing I want to say about the pairings, but I want to get your thoughts on this. Do you think that Keegan Bradley, if he was captaining the Europeans, or if the European players were American, if the roles were reversed, let's say. Okay. Okay, so American fans and in Rome, the Americans won with the pairings the Europeans had. Ludwig Oberg and Victor Hovland went 9-7 and 4-3. They won the both matches they played in Rome. This time they were split up. Um, Justin Rose has a 7-2-1 Forsom's record. Didn't play a single Forsome session. Matt Fitzpatrick has an 0-3-0, uh, 0-3 Forsom's record, played both sessions. Um, now they did that because the data told them to. Do you think Keegan Bradley or or any American captain, I should say, could or would do something like that?

SPEAKER_01: 28:11

I think they were my the short answer is no. The long answer is we were dangerously close to them finding a way to get Jordan Speeth on this team and run out Jordan Speeth and Justin Thomas just because that's like what has worked before. Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_02: 28:27

It's amazing to me how much trust Luke Donald and the players have in what Eduardo Molinari does.

SPEAKER_00: 28:34

Uh I I couldn't agree more. I I will say this. I felt like Keegan Bradley did a really good job. Uh you know, in in the in Europe, the Ryder Cups players play it hard for them. Yeah, they really did. And in Europe, again, the Ryder Cup, it's in their soul. In America, it's like another corporate thing, and I'm going to get$500,000 to give to my charity. Right? And yes, of all patriotic pride. But the Europeans, you you get the sense that they're like fighting for their collective lives when they're playing this thing. So I'll say that. So I feel like Keegan did a decent job. I will say this too, is you if you look at the European way that they put out the groups, you did have their regulars that they put out there. But then also, if you really pay attention to it and the data they were looking at, was you can say Matt Fitzpatrick's got an 0-7 record or whatever he had. In terms of form, why are you looking at me like that? In terms of form, he was one of the guys who was playing the best on the team running into this tournament. And then he's actually got a decent match play record because he won the US amateur, so he knows how to play it. He's just shown up there previously, maybe with the wrong partner or not playing so well. So he came in here playing really nicely, and he freaking was a force. Did you see him there on the on Friday?

SPEAKER_03: 29:48

He was awesome.

SPEAKER_00: 29:49

Oh, yeah. So so a lot of what they do very well is like you playing well, you're gonna play. Get ready for five sessions. If you're not playing well, you're gonna have your ass on the bench if you. Times and we'll see you in singles. That's that's what the Europeans do because it's so important to them.

SPEAKER_01: 30:06

Okay, we're gonna put a pin in it. I'm sure we'll talk more of Ryder Cup. We're gonna make the hard pivot to the Sanderson Farms Championship. The show must go on. Greg, this is your full field with a cut. Uh we've talked about the FedEx fall before. These guys needing to position themselves. We see a lot of guys play, you know, the fall week over or week over week, basically play the entire fall, jockeying for positions. So we're we're back to stroke play. Uh will you be able to focus on this or will you still have lingering rider cup thoughts?

SPEAKER_02: 30:40

I'll definitely have lingering rider cup thoughts, but uh I'll be able to get into this. You know, I don't know if I will on Thursday, um, but come Friday, I'll be ready to go. I'll be following it, and I'm really looking forward to it. Um this is a cool section of the fall. It's almost like it's almost like uh a Q school, eight over the span of six weeks, which is a really cool thing. If you think about it, like six rounds, you're gonna tell who the best players are over six rounds. No, but you do it over six tournaments. Now you got 24 rounds. That that's a much better sample size. So I uh I'm really excited to see how the guys move up. You're gonna see a lot of fight. Uh, you're gonna see some guys make a nice charge. And although we had the Pro Core already in the fall, um, this is really it's it's like a restart. You know, the Pro Corps is like a cup cup match warm-up, and then we restart. Now we really get into the fall with some consecutive weeks in a row.

SPEAKER_01: 31:42

Yeah, and Mark, Country Club of Jackson is a place we've seen plenty. It is uh it's a it's gonna play as a par 72 as it always does, 74, 100 yards. What do we what do we know about the country club of Jackson?

SPEAKER_00: 31:55

Well, first off, I did have something something else about the Ryder Cup.

SPEAKER_01: 31:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 31:59

Fans, I looked. I scoured every nook and cranny in that merchandising, and I could not find the Rory Maclory USA t-shirt. I tried though.

SPEAKER_01: 32:09

Oh, good call. I forgot about that. I'm sure that was they have been sent, they have been sent to uh needy children in Africa. Yeah, for sure. Those were never gonna make it into the into the merch shop.

SPEAKER_02: 32:22

No. Those those are with the losing uh the losing Super Bowl teams.

SPEAKER_01: 32:27

Yeah, exactly. The four-time Buffalo Bills Super Bowl championships.

SPEAKER_00: 32:32

Um as it pertains to the country club of Jackson, some of the best greens you're gonna see all year long. Um thing about the South though, it's been quite dry down here for some reason. Um and so I'm expecting the golf course is gonna play really well because his best defense is about two inches worth of Bermuda Rough, which is just slightly dormant. So if you hit the ball in there, the ball comes out like a rocket. And then you've got these greens that are like billiard tables, and if they firm, it's gonna be a whole lot of fun to watch. Um it's a cool golf course, it's old style. Um, but the greens are the best part of it, and the Bermuda Rough. So it always produces a good field, and you've got to hit the ball well around then, of course, make some putts. But the cool thing is, like if you look at some of the winners there, you've got a striker like a Luke List, and then you got some dude like Peter Melnati that's won there too. So you can put the eyes, dots off the thing and win, or you can ball strike it to death. So it's it's very democratic in the way it plays.

SPEAKER_01: 33:28

Uh Kevin, you is your defending champion, and just to kind of put things into perspective, your favorite, Akshay Batia teeing it up this week, Min Wu Lee, Michael Thorpeenson, Davis Thompson, amongst others. That's what the top of this board looks like. And some other names we're gonna get to in a second. Armina is going to release the grid in a minute, but Mina, I don't know if we got Mark. Did you see the grid from last week? This is the grid from last week. You had Tommy Fleetwood at nine and a half to one to be the top point scorer. Yes, sir! And you had Europe winning at plus 170. Very well job well done.

SPEAKER_00: 33:59

And Russell Henley, my gosh. Well, he only played three times, didn't he? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 34:06

Uh that's correct.

SPEAKER_00: 34:08

So who was the top debutante? Cam Young.

SPEAKER_01: 34:11

Cam Young.

SPEAKER_00: 34:12

Oh, yes, of course.

SPEAKER_01: 34:13

Three and one. Yeah, splendid. Didn't sat out, sat out Friday morning, played every session after that, went three and one. Very well done. Okay, Mina. Now you can release this week's grid, please. All right. The way well, that was last week's grid. Oh boy, we caught her in a pickle. She's she's there we go. All right. So if you've never seen this.

SPEAKER_00: 34:33

You're gonna be in the dog ass very shortly, Mark.

SPEAKER_01: 34:35

I've already annoyed her once during this show. I I might as well just go for you know, go for it all right now because I'm gonna be in trouble one way or another. Uh uh, if you've never seen this before, this is the grid. We've got one matchup, one finishing position, and two separate outrights gives us a chance to talk about more players. Let's start with this matchup. And Mark, I'm gonna start with you because you have no fear about a guy who probably has 1% recovery right now.

SPEAKER_00: 35:00

Yeah, yeah, but look, I'm I'm still on the Rasmus Hoyguard train. Um I I was disappointed he didn't play more. I watched him play, I thought he was playing great. And to come out in the Ryder Cup and birdie your first hole that you play, I thought that was uh pretty big. Um they got on the wrong side of momentum there. But I'm looking at this saying, yes, he's probably exhausted from the Ryder Cup, but probably exhilarated too. Because to be in an environment like that, you know, you see how these golfers, when they're just letting it fly and they're playing at a level above themselves, because you're seeing guys at the very best in the adrenaline's flowing. And I feel like some of that confidence is going to flow over. Now, I'm not saying he's gonna win, but I feel like he's good enough to beat Michael Thor Björnson, so I'm gonna take him.

SPEAKER_01: 35:47

Yeah, that's even money. Rasmus over Michael Thor Björnson, Greg. Uh, this is very much a FedEx fall event with these two names, but I like where your mind is at, where are you headed this week?

SPEAKER_02: 35:59

Yeah, I got Patrick Fishburn over Mark Hubbard. Um, and I find this to be interesting. Look, uh some of the recent form stuff you got to kind of take with a grain of salt, uh, because we've had a little bit of time in between. So, like for Patrick Fishburn, uh, the he played the Pro Corps, he played the Wyndham. The event before that was in July. Yeah, you know, so you got to take it with a grain of salt. But um, you know, what else are we gonna look? We're we're not just gonna guess here. So I find it really interesting. I look at the past winners here. You got Kevin Yu, Luke List, McKenzie Hughes, Sam Burns, and Sergio Garcia. Okay, for the most part, these are great ball strikers. Um, then if you look at your um, you know, course uh course key stats on RickRungood.com, which is putting is very highly correlated to success, which explains the Matt Mack Hughes, even though he was first in T the Green the week he won. Um it explains Milnadti, it explains players like that as well. Well, Patrick Fishburn, I think, has the firepower to be in that great driver of the golf ball kind of category, but he's also been he ended the season on a tear with the putter. Um, you know, in his last five events, he was beating the field uh with the flat stick and and his ball striking was pretty good. So I have a lot of faith in the upside here with Patrick Fishburne.

SPEAKER_01: 37:28

Uh that reminds me, Greg, you're gonna be very happy. I am almost done, a brand new course key stats tool that is like as crazy as ever. It might be I'm I might pull a uh shoulder, patting myself on the back. It might be my best work yet. Really? Uh yes. I can't wait to see it.

SPEAKER_00: 37:47

Yes, thank you. Folks, that's Rick Run Good, R-I-C-K-R-U-N-G-O-D-D, G-O-O-D.com. That's right. Thank you very much.com. You should be Rick Run God. It's just so good.

SPEAKER_01: 38:00

Wow. Thank you. I'm gonna clip that. Um, the uh it'll probably be available, probably not next week. That's Zozo. There is no data for Yokohama, probably the week after that. I'll tell you what, Greg, I'll send it to you in advance and tell me if there's anything else you want on there. And because it's like speak now or forever hold your peace, because it when once I publish it, like I noticed you're not sending it to me.

SPEAKER_00: 38:21

What's up with that? Well, you do uh listen, you want it too? You I'll send it to you, but I'll Rick Run good often. All right, I love that. I didn't need to look at Rick Run Good to tell you what the notable course stats were for Jackson, Mississippi.

SPEAKER_01: 38:34

Yes, Jackson, Mississippi. And it's all on there. Every shot that's been hit is getting in there in some form or fashion. Uh this concludes the Rick Run Good ad. Uh Rico Hoey over JT Posting for me. Talk about guys that flush it. Talk about guys that need to find a putter. Rico Hoey is could could be this year's Kevin U. I know he's gonna show up later for I won't spoil it, on the grid. Uh, but Rico Hoey over JT Poston minus 105 for me. Finishing positions. Greg, you get to go first.

SPEAKER_02: 39:08

Uh I will go with Emiliano Grillo for a top 20. That's at plus 140. Um, I really like the way that he's playing. I like the way he ended the season. Um, made five cuts in a row with the top 20, uh, and he was fourth at at the Pro Corps as well. Um, second back at the John Deere with kind of old school Emiliano Grillo ball striking. Uh, I I could see some similarities between him and uh Kevin Ew or Sergio Garcia when he's on his game. Uh putted much better towards the end of the season, too. Feel like things are looking up, and I feel like this is a good course fit for him. So I like him top 20, Emiliano Grillo.

SPEAKER_01: 39:47

I found uh so I saw these on DraftKings that by the time we go live, these are not always available, but they had specific lines for finishing positions. Yes, which which by the you know, we do this you know Tuesday afternoon, they're not always up there. Uh, I couldn't I couldn't resist. So I have Akshay Batia under 25 and a half. So it's basically he needs to finish inside the top 25. So under would be better than that. So if he finishes seventh, seven is under 25 and a half. That's a smaller number. That's how that works. Uh at minus 120. I I think this kind of little bit of a reset is is is good for him. You know, the putter started to misbehave a little bit at the end of the season. I think he is the best player in this field. I have a lot of high hopes off of this mini reset, and I have him finishing what is essentially inside the top 25 at minus 120.

SPEAKER_00: 40:40

So so what was the line on him to finish inside the top 20? Uh it would be I can pull it up for you. Yeah, please.

SPEAKER_01: 40:49

Uh minus 105.

SPEAKER_00: 40:51

Okay, so it's kind of commensurate. All right, I see we are.

SPEAKER_01: 40:54

Yeah. Uh so I just get a couple extra positions there. Now, Mark, you are going back to the well off a golfer who had in his most recent start, one of his best results in a long time.

SPEAKER_00: 41:04

Maybe it's a little recency bias. Um, but like I said about the European Ryder Cup team, I'm a I'm a big one on form. I really am. And Alonto Griffin looked pretty good at the Pro Corps. I mean, had a shot to win, really. Um, and I I can't help but remember his post-game remarks, where he just seemed like he was so thankful and so relieved to basically have locked up his PGA to a card for next year. So this guy's showing up there in Mississippi where a lot of guys aren't, where they kind of under the cush a little bit to now have a big finish to get their card for next year. I feel like Lanto's swinging freely, he's swinging well, top 40 plus 105. Sign me up every day and twice on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

SPEAKER_01: 41:48

All right, sign mark up indeed. That's Akshay, top 25, essentially, Grillo, top 20, and Lonto Griffin top 40, which leaves us with the outright market. And this is a little bit weird, right? I think we've kind of alluded to this. We've got guys that played last week at the Ryder Cup. We've got guys that played in Napa, we've got guys that we haven't seen since the Wyndham Championship. So some guys are in I don't want to say better competitive form, but we've just seen them more recently. So you'll kind of see we're all over the map here. Mark, why don't you give us uh your uh two outrights, please?

SPEAKER_00: 42:26

My two outrights. One is a former champion here in Mackenzie Hughes, and he is playing solid at 40 to 1, and the other one. I feel like it's time. I really do feel like it's time for Max Homer to now get himself into contention. Now I'm not saying he's gonna win, but if you look at the field and you said Akshay was the best player in the field, Max Homer could lay a bit of a claim to that. I understand he's coming back with the golf swing adjustments, but from everything I've heard from people close to him, uh he's very happy with where his game is. I'm surprised at the the poor play in Silverado at the Pro Corps. But you're coming to a place where it's going to reward him. He's long off the tee. He can strike some shots around here and make a few putts. So Max Omen, McKenzie use both 40 to 1.

SPEAKER_01: 43:15

Yeah, that I I like that that area of the board, like 30 to 1 and longer. I think there's a lot of good options there. I went there with Matt Wallace, who has played four times since the Windham Championship. He's got the runner-up finish at the Omega European Masters. He played the BMW championship. He had a pretty good strokes gain numbers there, just kind of didn't pot as well. So I've got him at 40 to one. And then Davis Thompson, who is the guy that I'm kind of just like resetting. I think, I think Davis Thompson needs a little bit of a reset. You look at the longer term stuff, last 100 rounds for everybody's top three T degree player in this field, has won on the PGA tour before. I I trust the DNA of Davis Thompson maybe more than the form that we saw at the end of last season. So he's 22 to 1, a little bit closer to the top of the board. Gregors, you've got uh two very interesting names here. One overlaps with Mark. What did you find for us, please?

SPEAKER_02: 44:05

Yeah, the one overlapping with Mark is Max Homa at um at 40 to one. I think it's really interesting, uh, Rick, when you look at the longer term form, you could call him the best player in this field uh without question, depending on how long you look. Um and and any kind of reset for Max Homa would be a good sign. But it's more than just guessing what happened in the reset. Uh for the last month or so of the season, you know, maybe the last two months of the season, uh, Max Homa started to hit the ball a lot better. Now he started to his his profile from a statistical point of view is starting to look like the Max Homa of old, where you know, if he putted well, he played well. If he didn't putt well, he did okay. Um but but putting kind of was the key to him winning. I I think he's getting back to that place with the golf swing. I'm not seeing a golf swing that is lost. I I don't think we've really seen that since like Detroit or maybe the Travelers. So I'm I'm uh big on Max Holmer this week uh for an upside play of 40 to 1. Might be the last time you get him at odds this long. Uh and then next I have Rico Hoey. Like you, Rick. I I really like what he does, TV Green, and the switch to the long putter. Now this is the second week of that. Uh I think this could, it has the potential to be electric. And it looks to me like Vegas thinks so too, having him at 30 to 1. Um, you know, Max Homa, that number feels a little long for him. It feels a little short for Rico Hoey. I think in both cases, that's a that's a good situation.

SPEAKER_01: 45:45

Two nods for Max Homa, a McKenzie Hughes, a Rico Hoey, a Matt Wallace, and a Davis Thompson on the outright board. I did clean that up, Mark. There was a question in the chat about what that M stands for. And I, of course, said it stands for Mark because that's Municipal.

SPEAKER_00: 46:05

Go there and you can use my discount code if you want.

SPEAKER_01: 46:07

What is the code? Just tell us. Is it Mark?

SPEAKER_00: 46:09

On the mark. You'll get yourself a discount.

SPEAKER_01: 46:10

All right, there you go. Municipal gets the gets the free ad. We'll be checking up on that later. Um the final thing that we need to do is we need to make our selections for NFL Survivor. This is a contest that I run.

SPEAKER_00: 46:27

I don't want to do this anymore. Well, I guess I'm not we'll talk about that.

SPEAKER_01: 46:32

We have this contest on uh Splash, which is where we're going to have our one and done next year. There's weekly contests, there's a lot of stuff over there for football and golf, and there's a Rick Run Good Golf contest, and there's college football and baseball and all that stuff. Everything's over there. We are down to in this survivor 389 from the 556 that entered. Unfortunately, one of those who have seen their demise is Mr. M on his hat, Mark Immelman, who picked the Chargers last week and they fell to Jackson Target and the Giants.

SPEAKER_00: 47:12

Jeez, can you believe it? And you know what made it even worse? Yeah, look at that big red X over my name. That's sickening. Um even Patrick and the Steelers, oh gosh, that makes it worse. But but the Falcons go and beat the char the frickin commanders. Now I understand that Jaden Daniels wasn't playing for the commanders, but still, these were the Falcons that got drummed by 30 by Charlotte. Um so I was like, golly, I'm gonna go with the Chargers, who I thought were basically a done deal. And then I I turn on the TV there on Saturday at the Sunday at the Ryder Cup, and um my day was ruined. My day was absolutely ruined.

SPEAKER_01: 47:52

Well, don't let it ruin your day. It's okay.

SPEAKER_00: 47:55

Keep laughing, you clowns. I hate you both.

SPEAKER_02: 47:57

We are gonna not laughing. I almost switched to the Chargers, Mark.

SPEAKER_00: 48:01

But I'm gonna switch to the Patriots. I should have stuck with you, Greg. If I'd stayed in your slipstream, I'd still be alive.

SPEAKER_02: 48:06

You would because I'm still alive. I I was so nervous about the Patriots. You have no idea. It's like this could be the worst pick. The Panthers, by the way, I I like how you called them Charlotte. I think they should switch to the Charlotte Panthers. Yeah. Um they need to do something. They need to do keep playing in Atlanta.

SPEAKER_00: 48:26

They've got to win this season, bro. They won one time.

SPEAKER_01: 48:29

That's 30-nothing. Yeah, there are a couple of teams that are, I think, still looking for that first win. Uh, the good news is we Mark has submitted a pick. Uh, he he has his his season is over on Splash, but is you know what, Rick?

SPEAKER_00: 48:41

I used to really like your wife until she texts me before the show and says, Hey, I still want you to put a pick, and we'll put a couple asterisks next to it. I wanted to say, Mina, go away, but I didn't. I obliged with our uh with our producer.

SPEAKER_01: 48:55

Yeah, you could tell her, you could tell her to go away. That's okay. Um, so so here we go, Mark. Uh, you have gone with the Colts this week over the Raiders. Uh, what is it about these these Colts?

SPEAKER_00: 49:06

They're just playing very well. And I hate, by the way, that red star by my name, but I I'll tolerate it. I I'm good. So so give me the Colts. Not that it matters. It's like a scarlet letter. I feel like I'm in I feel like I'm in the B flat now. This sucks.

SPEAKER_01: 49:18

It's like a scarlet letter for sure. Listen, we will we will be there before you know it. Don't worry. In fact, Greg and Mina uh might go out together. If this team, Greg, if this team goes down, who did you guys pick?

SPEAKER_02: 49:31

The Detroit Lions. Uh the Detroit Lions are playing the Bengals. Oh, they look bad. They look really bad.

SPEAKER_00: 49:43

Uh Joe Burrow going away is a bad idea as well. Huge, huge problem.

SPEAKER_02: 49:48

They have no run game, uh, even though they have a good running back, uh, they have no time for I was listening to a football show. They were talking about how in that this might be the worst offensive line of all time.

SPEAKER_01: 50:01

Dude, I saw like six plays in this game, and every single play, the defensive line was through in a half a second and demolishing whoever that quarterback is.

SPEAKER_02: 50:14

Browning. Um apparently there was a play where they rushed three and and got two guys got through unblocked.

SPEAKER_00: 50:23

There's just no resistance whatsoever. Speaking of offensive lines, would you see my uh outside um who was it? Um, what position he was? But for Bama on the weekend, catch a pass and run for 10 yards. Yes, beautiful. 300 pounder. That's tackling that dude's like a business decision.

SPEAKER_02: 50:42

You don't want to do that. No, you die, throw your back into his knees and hope for the best. Hope for the best. Yeah, hope you survive it.

SPEAKER_01: 50:51

So you're going with the Lions and they are uh 10.5 point favorites. I believe they're the biggest favorites on the board.

SPEAKER_02: 50:58

Um if not, it's the Bills again. Or that was that might have been last week.

SPEAKER_01: 51:03

Yeah, they're right up there. Yes, they are right up there. The Bills are seven and a half point favorites. Arizona's a seven and a half point favorite. Um, I went with the Rams. I I I'll tell you, I usually just pick like the second highest favorite, because I assume most people are going to take the favorite, like the biggest favorite, and then I'm hoping, I'm hoping something crazy happens in Cincinnati, a late blocked, whatever, and I can just knock all you guys out and I can get away with this. So I have no idea how the Rams play. I have no idea how the 49ers play. I just found out right now as I looked up, they're playing on Thursday, which does not make me happy. I do not like the chaos of a Thursday, but they're at home against I I actually don't like this anymore, quite honestly. This is like too much of a rivalry thing for me. I hate this right now. I was gonna say, you have no fear of a divisional game. I I usually don't, but a Thursday night divisional game, short rest, I hate this.

SPEAKER_00: 51:57

Rick, I'm so disappointed, given the the bright mind that you are, that you would just go, well, I normally just pick the second favorite and hope and hope for the best. I thought that'd be some strategy to it.

SPEAKER_02: 52:09

What happened to the future values? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 52:11

Well, that's true. That out the window. No, no, no. I I looked it up. I ran, I ran, you know, I got some recommendations, but I did the problem with this is so the site that I use, which is Pool Genius, I have a good partnership with that. Here use promo code Rick. Um the their stuff doesn't come out until like five Eastern on Tuesday, which is like when we do this show. So I have like two minutes to look at it before we have to put this pick in. And it was Lions were my number one option, but I had already used them, and Rams were my number two option. But I did not look to see that they were a Thursday night home game against a divisional opponent. That kind of worries me a little bit. So Lions were the best, including future value. Yes. For me. So that's it's it's specific to me. Uh and who you've picked already. And and well, I guess we're in the same pool, but the size of our pool, yes. Ah, got it. Got it. Yeah. So they were number one. Uh Arizona was up there, I think. But yes, Arizona, Arizona's a pretty good one, too. But yeah, I went with the Rams.

SPEAKER_00: 53:17

Hey, Rick. Speaking of picks, I'm looking at Mina here who's gone with like Green Bay and she's gone with all the favorites. Now she's going with the Lions. I can see her making it to like the 12th round or something and be left with the Saints. Yeah. And who the Carolina Panthers and company. I'm I'm keen to see how this plays out.

SPEAKER_01: 53:34

Yeah, she's gonna be playing the Dolphins and you know, the Titans and all these teams that are she's gonna need some magic. She's gonna need to hope everybody else gets gets uh knocked out.

SPEAKER_00: 53:45

There we go.

SPEAKER_01: 53:46

That's all she cares about. She only wants to beat us. She does not care if she finishes.

SPEAKER_02: 53:51

Like as long as there's a bear chasing you. Yeah. You just want to outrun somebody.

SPEAKER_01: 53:56

Uh all right, gents. That'll do it for Sanderson Farms. Be back on Friday for the midway recap. Anything else? Anything else that cannot wait a moment longer? I think it can all wait. It can all wait. Look at the camera, Rick. I have to look at the camera so she can get her snap uh her thumbnails or whatever. I don't know what she does with it.

SPEAKER_00: 54:19

Rick, I want to say this for the fans because we engage our fans on this show, unlike all the others. So I'm giving a diatribe there. I'm not sure what I'm saying, but I'm looking at the screen, and the next thing I see Rick go. It's like he's seen a ghost, and I just see the whites of his eyes, and I'm like, what have I said? And then I look at our private chat and it's Armina telling Rick, look at the camera. Look at the camera. So Rick's being a little bit of a savage to his wife. He's like, Okay, here I am, look at me. So we'll pray for you, Rick, when we put this call down.

SPEAKER_01: 54:50

I know. I don't want this call to end because I am about putting the cards through this door. Anyone else? Please. Yeah, please. Let's talk, let's talk uh the bottom of the Sanders of Arms board. I don't care.

SPEAKER_00: 55:02

No, we'll uh I'll uh just talk about Colin Marikawa.

SPEAKER_01: 55:05

Oh well, I can't do that today. That's I need I need preparation for that. That's uh I need Rick to talk about pretend you're talking about that. Well it needs to end. Uh big thanks to producer Mina, who is the best producer, and she would never take out any anger on me. Thank you very much, Mark Emblem, Greg Ducharm. I'm Rick Gaiman. This is the second cut. We'll catch you next time.