Victor "The Good Boss" Oliveira | Percocet Misuse, Incarceration, & Fresh Start Founder

From Boston nightlife and drug dealing to surviving prison and founding Fresh Start, Victor Oliveira ("The Good Boss") shares his sobriety story.

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In this inspiring episode of Recoverycast, Victor Oliveira sits down with host Brittani to recount his journey from dropping out of high school and navigating heavy substance use in the Boston club scene to facing state prison time. Victor opens up about experiencing painful Percocet withdrawal in a prison cell, the terrifying wake-up call behind bars that solidified his long-term sobriety, and how he rebuilt his life from the ground up after release.

After finding recovery, Victor launched a successful landscaping business and began sharing acts of workplace kindness on social media, earning the moniker "The Good Boss." What started as buying lunch for his crew quickly evolved into direct street outreach, helping unhoused individuals struggling with severe substance use access life-saving care. Today, Victor has dedicated his life full-time to recovery advocacy, establishing Fresh Start—a revolutionary crowdfunding and money management platform that provides individuals in early recovery with structured financial support, sober living resources, and relapse prevention tools. Tune in for a candid conversation on redemption, breaking stigmatizing patterns, and finding purpose through service to others.

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⏱️ Chapters:

00:00 – Intro

00:22 – Welcome Victor Oliveira

01:45 – Boston Nightlife & Substance Misuse

04:16 – Facing Prison & Hard Realities

07:44 – Experiencing Withdrawal in a Cell

09:12 – The Close Call That Changed Everything

12:20 – Becoming "The Good Boss" on Social Media

17:28 – Direct Outreach & Helping Unhoused Individuals

20:41 – Founding Fresh Start & Financial Recovery

36:38 – Fatherhood, Recovery, & Leaving a Legacy

❓ Questions the Video Answers:

How can someone stay sober after serving time in prison?

What does substance withdrawal feel like inside a correctional facility?

How can family support help an individual in early recovery?

What are effective ways to help unhoused people struggling with substance use?

How does street outreach connect individuals directly to treatment centers?

What is Fresh Start and how does it support long-term financial recovery?

How can you support a loved one without enabling their substance use?

Why is structured sober living critical after completing medical detox?

How do outreach advocates protect their mental health while helping others in crisis?

Can someone transform past pain and incarceration into a life of purpose?

What is the best way to approach someone on the street who needs help?

How do accountability and money management support relapse prevention?

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:13

Well, I've helped a couple of pregnant women, you know, like for example, one of them, she was like six months pregnant or seven months pregnant, actively using she got clean, had her baby. Her baby's healthy. He's almost three years old. Wow. There's so many people out there that want the help, they just don't know how to get it.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Hi everyone, and welcome to today's episode of Recovery Cast, a production of recovery.com. I'm Britney Baynard.

SPEAKER_08 0:42

And I am Sam Roberts. And I know that I always say we are so excited.

SPEAKER_03 0:47

We are so excited!

SPEAKER_08 0:48

And I was gonna say, like, we're just we are extra super excited today. I know that whatever.

SPEAKER_03 0:53

It's it's a special episode.

SPEAKER_08 0:55

There's a wolf. There's a wolf. There's an actual wolf. There's a wolf. There's a big dog. There's a good boss today. Yeah. Victor the good boss. Yeah, there is. I selfishly asked Britney last week. I was like, can I please host this episode? Because I was very excited.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

And I said yes because literally the way he asked, he's so passionate about it. And you I was pumped for you to take this one because you were so excited. Um, it's an amazing topic that we have him coming in here talking about, one that I really think a lot of people need to hear.

SPEAKER_08 1:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Um, so yeah, I'm glad that you got to host this one.

SPEAKER_08 1:31

Yeah. I it was really fun. Um, so we'll talk about more of the about we will talk more about that in a second. Before that, uh Brittany, I believe that you have a comment for us.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

I do. I'm gonna read the comments this time. Okay. This is from It's Britney Marie. Hey girl.

SPEAKER_08 1:45

And this was on a uh post of uh one of our clips from Casey's episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

Yes. Yeah. Um this one's from It's Brittany Marie. This is on Casey's episode. Uh so Brittany Marie writes, exactly, we all start somewhere and take one step at a time, and stumbling is normal and should never derail your efforts to changing your future. Small wins create neural pathways so you can get your brain to trust you're going to actually try and take care of it now instead of sabotaging. Yes, absolutely. Uh, your future self is cheering you on. People can do unimaginable things when they decide to face serious change head on. Me five years ago would be astonished to know who I am now, and I hope that continues far into my future. Brittany, we do too. Thank you. That was a wonderful comment. That was incredible.

SPEAKER_08 2:32

Dude, just imagine the internet being nice.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

I love this stuff. It literally gives me goosebumps.

SPEAKER_08 2:37

It's like gives me hope for humanity. Then it's like people being nice on the internet, like we're all doing great.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

Keep going, you know. Yeah, just trying to do better, trying to share stories. I think that's incredible. And thank you so much for those like great words for Casey's story because you should never give up. Yeah. Um, yeah, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_08 2:54

And then uh Brittany, you had another message from a listener that you wanted to read first.

SPEAKER_01 2:59

I did. I did. So I got a really, really nice message from somebody. Um, and I'll read it first and then kind of go more about it. But this is from Melissa. Hi, Brittany. I just wanted to share how much I've been enjoying your recovery cast podcast. I've been binging episodes recently while I go for my morning walk. I'm nine months into my recovery journey, and it's been awesome to find a podcast that continues to inspire me. You're a great host. Thank you for that. Agreed. Yeah. Oh, thank you. Yeah. But like, so she sent this to me on a Wednesday, and I saw it that day, and I couldn't respond until Friday because it I was having a rough day that day, and that comment hit me in the heart so good that I couldn't even like think of the words to say back with like the gratitude of just such a nice thing. Cause sometimes I feel like we're in this room, we're having these conversations with people. There's no one else in this room. So it really does feel like I'm having an incredible and intimate conversation and extremely powerful. Um and then I kind of forget that this like goes somewhere and like there were thousands of recorded. Yeah, thousands of people are watching this and seeing it and hopefully are also like as touched by it as I am and these stories that people are sharing and their vulnerability in this. Yeah. Um, and sometimes I forget that people are out here watching it and they're touched by it too. And I it's like, I don't know what this is, but it's like for me to have a bad day and for someone to reach out about something that I do that lifts them up. And that thing lifted me up. It was a really cool circle of just like lifting people up and spreading joy and hope. And Melissa, thank you so much. I loved that. It was incredible. Um, and yeah, I really cherish that comment.

SPEAKER_08 4:38

And congrats on Nine Months Sober. Yeah, that is so exciting. Um, and if somebody else is listening to this, they're on their morning walk or something, and you're like, I'm looking for a sign to keep going. This is it. This is the sign. We're your sign. You know, I know it's maybe you're like, that's two on the nose. The sign can't say it's a sign, but why not? There's no no moms, no rules, you know?

SPEAKER_01 4:57

Like I'm a mom.

SPEAKER_08 4:58

Yeah, I know, but I mean it my mom's not here to the figurative. Yeah, keep keep going. The the only rule is have fun or you're fired. Just um, thank you so much, Mosley. Yeah, that was so special.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

Thank you. Today's guest.

SPEAKER_08 5:10

Yeah, uh, Victor the Good Boss. Uh, the good boss says he's known online. He has this incredible story uh where obviously you're gonna hear all about it, but you might know him uh online um for his clips going viral of him helping people um who are experiencing homelessness or uh who feel stuck in addiction and just need a leg up. Um he first went viral um just being like super generous and kind to people, eventually started an entire foundation to help even more people get help. Fresh start? Fresh start. Yep. Um, and it just was like so cool to me. This is something that like I'm very uh personally passionate about because I've had people in my life um go through the prison system, um, try to uh get clean and um like walk uh a good path and really earnestly, like through lots of like fumbles, like make a new start for themselves, you know. Um and just like we just need more people like Victor who will just like get their hands dirty and like help people and see people as people.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 6:10

Um, something that we've talked about, a recurring theme that comes up on this podcast, and and like it is a genuinely good lesson that people have. We don't prompt people to say this, but multiple people have said the exact line of like, I didn't think I was an alcoholic because I wasn't an old homeless man uh uh under a bridge with a brown paper bag.

SPEAKER_01 6:28

Brown paper bags, I'm brown paper bags. Brown paper bags, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 6:30

And like on one level, it's like, yes, like that is amazing. So many people should learn that lesson of like uh addiction isn't just this like stigma, this thing that I'm not. It's like, no, like I'm a person just like them, and I could be struggling with it too. Yeah. And also it's so important for us to wrestle with and think about like, okay, but what if you are um experiencing homelessness and you're under a bridge with a paper bag? Yeah. That person is a person. Still a human. You are still a human, uh, just as worthy of um like recovery and respect and resources and help. Yes. Yeah. So I I don't know. I just I helped write the questions for this one. I got choked up writing the questions, hence me being like, get out, it's this one. Um, but it's just so cool. Yeah. I'll say this on the podcast too. But if you every episode, I hope that you take away like, oh, that's a person that found recovery and I could too. I hope that you find that this episode too. Um, but if you could get one tiny little bit more from it, I hope that it's like, oh, Victor isn't this like saint that was dropped out of heaven to help people. He's just a guy that just like did something. And I could do that too.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

He did it. Yeah. He just got up and did it. He just got up and did it, and you can't.

SPEAKER_08 7:41

Like, you don't have to wait for permission. You don't have to wait to have all the answers. Yeah. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

And if you're also looking for ways that you can help, you can go to Fresh Start. Um, they do fundraising, you can donate, you can look into the things that they are doing to try and help the community. Um, they basically help people get into treatment, help get their lives started, their new lives in recovery started. Um, so it's incredible.

SPEAKER_08 8:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 8:05

Yeah. Cool.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

Um so excited for you all to hear Victor's story. Uh, and with that, we'll go to the episode.

SPEAKER_08 8:19

Hey everybody, welcome back to Recovery Cast. So excited for this uh episode um to hear from our guest today, Victor Oliveira, aka the good boss. Victor, welcome to the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_08 8:32

Victor, I was telling you this a little bit before we started recording. I am so excited for um people to hear your story, both because, like with all of our guests, I hope that people are like, oh, like he's just a guy and and he's found recovery. I could too. But for your story specifically, I hope that they get that. And just also like, oh, he's helping people and I could do that too, you know. So definitely um super stoked, excited to hear about the work that you're doing uh today. Before we get into that, could you just take us back to growing up just outside of Boston and tell us what was Teenage Victor like?

SPEAKER_00 9:05

Okay. Um Teenage Victor was like uh, I mean, I don't know if I should say your average kid, but I guess your average kid just hanging out with friends and uh eventually leading down the wrong path. You know, started smoking weed, hanging out at a spot called the farm and just getting into some stupid stuff. Driving dirt bikes, four-wheelers, uh riding in the streets, you know, running away from cops, just being a daredevil, you know. Yeah, that's that's me when I was younger.

SPEAKER_08 9:34

Okay, so then uh I know you've shared a lot online about how your life kind of then gravitates towards the the local nightlife scene. Could you talk about that?

SPEAKER_00 9:43

I grew up, my family owned a nightclub and I worked there for you know a good amount of time. And then from there I went into Boston and ended up getting a job in in Boston at a few different clubs. And uh I would literally go out every night into Boston drinking and you know, staying up all night, eventually getting into drugs.

SPEAKER_08 10:05

So then how does that yeah, nightlife kind of go from just like a fun job to turning into like something bad?

SPEAKER_00 10:12

I mean, I guess I I let it get out of control. Um I was the one in control of me, obviously. I just had so much fun. Um you know, it wasn't really in the beginning I wasn't really uh, you know, crazy heavily into drugs. Uh started slow and and then it just crept up on me. Started selling drugs, then obviously doing more of them, then getting into the hard drugs.

SPEAKER_08 10:37

And as I understand it, you started selling drugs was it just to like get by or was it also to kind of like control your own habit?

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Uh in the beginning it was honestly just to make money. Yeah. You know, I just I guess yeah, maybe control my habit too. But again, in the beginning it wasn't much at all. Right. So I just I've always had that entrepreneur mind where I just I want to make money.

SPEAKER_08 11:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

So I think that's where it started. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 11:02

Okay. So then uh tell us how you go from like you drop out of high school, but then how does it progress to full-blown addiction?

SPEAKER_00 11:11

I guess just doing more of it every night. You know, it just became a cycle where that was my life. And um, and it was fun. I enjoyed it. Then it became a addicting, you know, physically addicting. Right. And I just I just kept going with it.

SPEAKER_08 11:27

Yeah, yeah. What do you remember most about that time? Or are there any like specific stories that come to mind?

SPEAKER_00 11:33

I don't I don't know why this always comes to my head, but yeah, I would get hotels a lot, like for days on on end. And I had a G an Infinity G35, and um I was obviously selling drugs, right? You know, making a good amount of money. It's stupid when I think about it because like, yeah, I made good amount of money, but I spent it all. Right. It's not like I saved it. No, right. You know, it started this business with everything. I started from scratch after I got caught. Um, but I just remember having like a ton of cash in the car. Right. And buying whatever I wanted for drugs, supplying for everyone. Right. Just having a great time.

SPEAKER_08 12:07

Yeah. Okay. So you mentioned it, you do eventually get caught. Yeah. Can you talk about ending up in jail and what that time was like?

SPEAKER_00 12:14

I mean, honestly, it was I want to say it was a great time because it made me learn learn my lesson. Um in the beginning, yeah, it sucked. I was in jail. I really wanted to get out bad. Right. But eventually, after like a month or so, I knew I wasn't getting out. Uh, there was no way to appeal or whatever. So I just kind of got it in a routine. And once I got in that routine, things were a lot better. You know, I was working out every day. Um, I got my OSHA 10 in there. Uh I I took classes and I just really, you know, utilized myself to the best that I could. And it was a blessing. You know, if I didn't go to jail, I'd probably still be getting high.

SPEAKER_08 12:53

Yeah. So kind of break it down for me. I understand, like, tell me if this is correct. You you're in jail first, you get out on bail, and then there's a time before like your actual court date, yeah, where the prison time happens. Can you just take us back to that, that kind of like in-between time? That's when you start your landscaping business, correct?

SPEAKER_00 13:11

So I had a business. Yeah. Because I dropped out of high school. Right. Um, I worked for a landscaper, and then I just said to myself, I want to own my own business. And so I started the business, still doing my partying, hanging out with, you know, my friends or whatever. Then I got caught, and then I was out on bail, still continuing my business to try and show them that I'm doing good. Right. But I was still doing drugs. Right. Like I stopped for maybe like a month or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 13:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Uh, and then I just fell right back into it. I'm like, oh, I'm not gonna go to jail. So I just continued to do my business and then get high on weekends, and then it just turned into weeknights and all that. Right. Uh and then I got caught. I would on bail. I think that this was like maybe two years in. I was on bail for like three years. Right. Fighting my case.

SPEAKER_05 13:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

Just trying to show good. Right. But I really wasn't showing good. Right. You know, I yeah, I had the business, but I was still getting high.

SPEAKER_05 14:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Um, and then I I finally got caught and then I went to court and then they, you know, sentenced me to two to three years in prison.

SPEAKER_03 14:13

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

Uh, ended up getting out with good time. Right. Uh I did just under I think it was like twenty months or like nineteen and a half months.

SPEAKER_08 14:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 14:21

Yeah. Can you kind of like take us into that state prison, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:24

Yeah, it was state prison.

SPEAKER_08 14:26

Yeah. Take us into that, like what was that like? Like what's an average day like or whatever?

SPEAKER_00 14:30

In the beginning it was scary. Yeah. You know, waking up, uh, standing on the balcony, looking over to my left, talking to my my cell, my celly.

SPEAKER_03 14:39

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

Um, not my celly, my next door to me. Right. Um, and you know, I just remember a couple stories. You know, one guy tells me he he killed his family um all over like an argument with the mother-in-law. But it it's scary. And I'm like, what am I doing? Like I I don't belong in here. In the beginning, I was in county jail and I was locked down for like twenty, twenty-three hours out of the day. Right. Um, you got certain times where you can use the phone, really not much to do. Then you have some wreck time outside, but that like rarely ever happened. Right. They always canceled it for some reason. Right. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. It was hot as hell in there. Because I was in Walpole. Okay. And that's an old prison.

SPEAKER_05 15:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:19

Yeah. So it was really, really hot in the in the summer.

SPEAKER_08 15:21

Mm-hmm. Okay. So you're in prison for that time. Is that when you get sober first?

SPEAKER_00 15:27

Yeah. I got sob well. Uh when I got caught, I think I was mandatory I had to go to detox. Okay. So I did that.

SPEAKER_08 15:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

Um, but yeah, I got I got sober in in prison. Got it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 15:37

Can you tell us about detox and then tell us about what getting sober in prison was like?

SPEAKER_00 15:41

Yeah. Detox was was easy. You know, they gave me quantity and librium. Um, they made me feel comfortable. I slept the whole time.

SPEAKER_08 15:49

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

But going to prison, it was awful. Right. Um, I didn't even know it that was gonna happen. You know, I I was doing perks and I I did quite a few of them before I went to court. Uh, and then I'm sitting there in my cell. I didn't sleep for like five days. Oh man. You know, my my arms, my legs were restless. I was throwing my arms like this and it hurt so bad. Oh man. And yeah, it was that was the worst time in prison, the first like five, six days.

SPEAKER_08 16:16

So I'm assuming you go and you're not planning like I am going to get sober here or whatever. Or maybe you do. It's just kind of it's that is what happens. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. How did how does it stick? Like, uh, because you just said like there are other people are in prison. They're like, Yeah, as soon as I get out, I'm gonna use, I'm gonna sell again. Yeah, yeah. What's the turning point for you that you're like, no, I'm I'm done?

SPEAKER_00 16:38

Um, honestly, my family. My family is is very supportive of me. I didn't want to let them down. I knew what I did was so stupid, and I know it's not the life to live. Like if you want to be a drug dealer, you're not gonna last forever. You're gonna get caught, you're gonna get killed, you're gonna get robbed. I mean, I've gotten robbed a couple times, and it's it's no fun. Right. Um, but it doesn't last forever. You know, you can make that money and it's it's gonna be gone eventually somehow, some way. How did you in prison maintain your sobriety? I just thought about getting out, doing the right thing. Um there was one time where one of my celllies had suboxin. Yeah. And at the time, you know, if I didn't have anything in my system and I did a suboxin, I can get high. Okay. So I did that, yeah, not even thinking, it was just dumb. Right. And I think this is probably the biggest eye opener, the reason why I completely just never did it again is um he got drug tested, and then I got drug tested. Someone must have told on us.

SPEAKER_04 17:38

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

Uh, because obviously we looked like we were messed up.

SPEAKER_04 17:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:41

So he got drug tested first, and then I got drug tested right after him.

SPEAKER_04 17:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

And he did more than me. He was doing it for like three, four, five days straight. I just did it that one time. And so it must have came out of my system sooner. So he went in, they put him in the cage for a urine. Um, and then I went in, I don't know, an hour after him. And when I went in there, I seen him in there and he had the saddest face on. So I knew that he he popped, his urine popped. And so when I did mine, it came back negative, and I was I was like, holy shit, how did I do that? But then it dawned on me, obviously, because I just did it once, it got out sooner. And ever since that, like, if I got caught, I would have never got parole. So I would have been in there for at least three years. Wow. Yeah. So I didn't get caught, yeah, luckily. And um ever since then I just said, I'm never gonna touch anything. Yeah, it's not worth it. I want to get out, I want to see my family. Um, I I don't want to be in the shithole.

SPEAKER_08 18:37

Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 18:38

Man, that's nuts. So uh tell me if I'm hearing this right. You're like it's almost like the universe literally hands you a second chance. Yeah. You willfully do something to like self-destructive, and the universe still hands you a second chance and you see it in front of you, like Yeah, correct? Yeah. That's nuts.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

Yeah. Yeah. So I think I got my fresh start in prison.

SPEAKER_08 18:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 18:59

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

Nice name drop on Fresh Start.

SPEAKER_08 19:01

Okay, so then speaking of Fresh Start, tell us about getting out of prison. What is that like?

SPEAKER_00 19:06

Nerve wracking. Because I I just I wasn't used to the the outside world for almost two years. Uh so I was definitely nervous. And but obviously I got to see my family, and that was great. I guess I mean overwhelming and happy at the same time. It's definitely a change. You know, in prison you have all these rules and you have to listen to whatever the COs say. Um, but then when you get out, there's no rules. So it's it's kind of scary in a way. Right. Um maybe that's why people either relapse or or go back to prison.

SPEAKER_05 19:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

Um, because you're just so used to that structure. Like, you know, I had to wake up in prison and make my bed. If not, I'd get written up. Right. Um, but it's it's good in a way because when people do get out, if they want to put their head in the right direction, they have the structure from from prison.

SPEAKER_04 19:55

Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

So it's like you can do it. Right. If if someone gets out of prison and they want to do something good with their life, you can do it.

SPEAKER_05 20:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

But just watch out for the demons that, you know, right. Try and take you down. Right. And say, hey, it's so much easier to sell drugs and make money. Right. But just think about the long term. It's not gonna last. You're gonna go right back to prison.

SPEAKER_08 20:17

Yeah. So I'm very curious to hear is there somewhere between your victor and then your victor the good boss? Yeah. How does the good boss happen?

SPEAKER_00 20:27

So I downloaded TikTok, not even knowing what it was. Um, and I just made a couple videos just showing my guys working. Yeah. What year is this? This is like 2019, I believe is when I started it. Yeah. But it didn't really become something until 2020. Right. I love taking care of my guys. I love just being nice to people. And so I started, you know, giving them um buying them coffee, lunch, sometimes dinner.

SPEAKER_05 20:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Um, and I would film it. Right. And um eventually that's how the name, the good boss, someone said it somewhere in a comment or something, like you're a good boss. That's awesome. So that's where it came from. And I just kept on being good to my employees. Yeah. Um, I would give my guys a raise on camera. You know, it became fun. It became like a little reality TV show with my employees. I just kept, you know, continue to do that for a while. And obviously, you know, I went through some employees. Um, even though being a good boss, you know, there are some people that take advantage of you. So I had some, you know, overturn in employees. Right. Eventually that led me to seeing homeless people on the side of the road. Right. And I was filming my employees, so my phone was up on my dash, and I happened to film, you know, an occasion where I seen a homeless guy. And I just basically asked him if he wanted a a job or get off the streets. Right. And there was just one kid that, you know, said he wanted it, but obviously he got high and his video went super viral. Um he never called me. I ended up looking for him after. You know, I was making like update videos on him, and then I ended up finding him. Everyone reached out and said, We want to help you, we want to help him. So that's where like the community support came in and just it was overwhelming. Yeah. So many people wanted to help. Wow. And then uh a guy named Paul Reed reached out from Roofers in Recovery. Wow. And he he's a great guy. Uh he offered to to pay the scholarship for this kid to go to treatment.

SPEAKER_05 22:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

And so my agreement with with this kid was if you go to treatment, I'll go down there with you because it was in Texas. And he's like, all right, let's go. I'll do it. And are you in Boston at this time?

SPEAKER_08 22:38

I'm in Boston.

SPEAKER_00 22:38

Yeah. So I flew him down there to Texas and came back to pick him up later. That was like my uh agreement with him. Um and yeah, ever since then I just continued helping other people. Wow. Um, and now it's it's we. I can't even say I because I have a team.

SPEAKER_05 22:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

And we're helping a lot of people. Yeah. It's awesome.

SPEAKER_08 22:58

I'm so excited to ask you more about this. And I'm kind of like making myself like go slow through this story, you know. But I'm curious, and and you don't have to like I want to put uh this specific kid protect his privacy or whatever, you know, but do you know like did he have immediate like like family or support system or anything like that?

SPEAKER_00 23:16

Like yeah, he did. Sure. Um, you know, I would say not a huge support system, right? But you know, he had family, right? He had kids.

SPEAKER_05 23:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

And having them back in his life was awesome. Oh man, yeah. You know, just me being a part of that was was awesome. Right. And um, I'm just I'm grateful for it. And I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 23:37

Yeah. I just the reason I ask is I hope that the listener understands like this. I mean, it's not a small thing to fly down to Texas with somebody, but what might feel small like giving somebody a ride is something that a lot of us like don't have to think about because you're like, especially there's a time in life where you're like, oh, if I need to get across town, I'll call my brother, I'll call my dad, whatever, you know. Um, and there's people that don't have that, or if they do, like their family stretch too or whatever. Um, and it sounds like you got to be that for him. Not that you like replaced his family or anything like that, but um, he had somebody like in his corner, you know, to be like, hey, if you're in, I'll go with you.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Yeah, and that's what I do for like everyone that I help. Uh now I'm just I feel like I'm getting bigger, scaling more. So I'm trying to put like I don't know, SOPs in place where there's a standard way of doing things. Okay. Um, because I want to be there for everyone that I help.

SPEAKER_05 24:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

But I can't be there the whole time. Right. In the beginning, like I'm I'm there for them. Right. You know, after 30 days, then my my plan now is to have a case worker with them or case manager.

SPEAKER_03 24:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

Uh, and so on and so forth, you know, once I I build the team more. Being there for someone like when they need it is huge. Right. And a lot of people don't have that. Yeah. So now, you know, we're building, obviously, we'll get into Fresh Start later, but like we're building mentors across the whole US. Okay.

SPEAKER_08 25:09

I'm just like wondering, I I know lots of people that like run into somebody on the street and help them out a little bit. And they're like, oh, that was nice. But then that's kind of like it. Yeah. What happens between I help this one person this one time, and then you kind of get this taste for like, I want to keep doing this.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

Just seeing them become, you know, a person again. Yeah. Um, that really motivates me and drives me. Yeah. I've helped a lot of people. I've helped a couple of pregnant women, and like that was just insane. Right. Because, you know, like, for example, one of them, she she was like six months pregnant or seven months pregnant, actively using. She has had her baby. She got clean, had her baby. Her baby's healthy. Yeah. He's almost three years old. Wow. She's got, you know, almost three years clean, or maybe even more. I forget.

SPEAKER_05 25:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:58

And that just really motivates me to want to do more.

SPEAKER_05 26:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Because there's so many people out there that want the help, they just don't know how to get it the right way. Right. So I'm trying to create something that gives people the help that they need.

SPEAKER_08 26:12

Yeah. So the first person you kind of happen across is the second person, do you seek them out after that first like uh interaction?

SPEAKER_00 26:21

Um, yeah. I mean, after that first person, I just I wanted to continue helping people. Yeah. I would ask almost every every homeless person that's on the side of the road.

SPEAKER_05 26:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

And just say, hey, do you want to get off the streets or do you want some food? In the beginning, I I didn't really have the power to get them off the streets. Right. Uh, but that slowly kind of came into play.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

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SPEAKER_00 27:11

Right. So in the beginning, I would feed people a lot more. Yeah. Get to know them, um, treat them like they're human. And and then from there, it's just I was able to help more people.

SPEAKER_08 27:22

Can you tell us about Jelly Roll reaching out to you?

SPEAKER_00 27:25

He reached out in my DMs. I think I DM'd him, I don't know, a while back. And he happened to come across my my videos and he, I guess, finally DM'd me back. Because I get it. You know, this there's a lot of people trying to reach out to people that have fame or a lot of followers or or whatever, and it's hard to get back to them. Um he happened to see my message and he responded back, and he was like, Hey brother, I love what you're doing. Um, you know, let me know how how I can help. We can link up down the road and you know, see if we can help on a bigger scale or whatever. So uh I mean that was cool. You know, for him to recognize what I'm doing, it it means a lot. Uh and just everyone in general recognizing what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_05 28:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

Uh I've been doing this for a while now. I'm not fake. I don't stage stuff. Right. Uh this is me and this is what I'm gonna do the rest of my life. Right. I sold my landscaping business so I can do this full time.

SPEAKER_05 28:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

I still have the masonry business, but my foreman is amazing. Right. And he just kind of runs the show.

SPEAKER_05 28:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

So I'm doing this full time.

SPEAKER_05 28:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:30

And that's when I also started Fresh Start, and this is gonna be even more full time.

SPEAKER_08 28:34

Okay, yeah. So now tell us about starting Fresh Start. How does that officially happen?

SPEAKER_00 28:39

So Fresh Start came into my mind like two, two years ago. Um when I'm helping people, uh I would try and raise money for them on Cash App. And what I would do is put put money on their Cash App whenever they get out of treatment, and that's how I monitored the money. Okay. It wasn't the best way to do it, but it was the best way for me to do it. Right. And so that's what I was doing. And I said to myself, how can I create my own card or my own system where people can just get the help that they need, right? Get funding when needed. Right. Uh, and that's when I came up with Fresh Start.

SPEAKER_05 29:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

And I've been working on it for over two years.

SPEAKER_05 29:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

And it's now finally up and running. Uh-huh. We launched in January. We've raised almost a million dollars since then. That's nuts. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:27

So, and we've helped so many people. You know, we have a piece of paper that we we give to people with uh a budget on it. So, like, for example, if we raise $10,000, you know, we pay a detox fee because sometimes I'm paying for treatment. Right. But I don't get scholarships all the time. Right. So I try and raise as much money as I can because as you know, you know, someone going through recovery is not cheap. Right. Unless they have state insurance. Right. Uh, but still, you get out, you need money too. So yeah, that's Fresh Start is a crowdfunding platform that we raise money for people, we monitor the money, uh, we distribute the money to them, we slow release it so that, you know, we're not enabling them. Uh, we're giving them structure, accountability, money management, um, and simply a fresh start. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 30:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

Yeah. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_08 30:18

Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about uh, I feel like you talked about in your own story and then in some of these other stories that you're talking about. Um maybe the negative way to put it is like not enabling them. A positive way to put it is like setting them up for success or to be self-sustainable. Like, what does that look like? And did you have to kind of figure out over time how to do that for people?

SPEAKER_00 30:39

Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. There was uh, you know, obviously ups and downs since I've been doing this. Right. And it's still not perfected, but I have a good system now where people can get a good amount of time with worry free of money. Um, you know, if we raise $10,000 for someone, that's gonna last them a good six to eight months.

SPEAKER_05 31:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:00

You know, even if we have to pay $5,000 for detox. Right. Um, and that I mean, that's a good rate. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 31:07

So So today you functionally act as an interventionist, a driver, and a case manager all at once. How do you protect your own mental health and recovery while choosing to generously enter into what can be really traumatizing situations day in and day out?

SPEAKER_00 31:23

Uh, it's honestly that that is the hardest question that people ask me. Yeah. Because yes, I'm I'm overwhelmed, I get stressed out. It's it's not easy doing what I do. The biggest thing is just having my team that I have now, the people that help me. I'm trying to grow a bigger team so that way I can do more of what I'm good at. And that's like getting people off the street in the moment. Uh, and then let the other people from the team kind of handle the rest. I mean, how I deal with my everything that I do, I I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 31:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

I sometimes I feel like I'm a robot. Like sure. I don't get a whole lot of sleep. Uh I'm I feel like I'm available to everyone, but I have been changing that. Right. Which is good. Uh I feel better. Yeah. Uh, but I just I know what I'm doing. I'm making a a massive impact on so many people's lives. Yeah. Like I don't do this for for the money. Yes, I do make money.

SPEAKER_05 32:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

Um, but it's not it's not about that. It's about giving back and giving people an opportunity.

SPEAKER_05 32:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

And ever since I started it, I just I had a good way of doing it. Right. So I'm just gonna continue and then, you know, give my gift to other people. You know, other people reaching out to me. How can I help? How can I do this? How can I do that? So I want to give that to other people so that so that way we can help more people.

SPEAKER_08 32:43

Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like you get a lot out of like a lot of meaning out of what you're doing. I've heard you say elsewhere that you you got addicted to helping people. Yeah. That you maybe like transferred your addiction. Can you talk about yeah, how that started and and and what that looks like today?

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Yeah. I mean, it's definitely the truth. I'm addicted to helping people. Yeah. This is my my new high, my new drug. And um, I don't know when it really came into the picture. Just one day I just said, wow, this is this is awesome. But then there's some days where I'm like, oh my God. Right. Like, this is a lot. Like, what am I doing? But right away, it's just like I'm helping people. Right. You know, so if I tell myself, what am I doing? I'm helping people. I'm making a big impact. And I love it.

SPEAKER_08 33:34

I I think I I asked that because there could be uh a version of Victor that's like, you're helping people, and it's like, well, it's what you should do. And it's like, I'm eating my vegetables. Why can't why can't you guys eat your vegetables? You know, and I don't get that sense from you at all. I get the sense that this is like super life-giving to you.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 33:53

And that it's almost like you just want other people to get the joy of helping people. Like you're kind of like, you have found this amazing thing. You're like, this is so amazing and life-giving. And if only everybody else could get to have feel the high that I feel helping people. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00 34:14

I would definitely say that's correct. Uh, I love showcasing what I do. Number one, because it helps the person that I'm helping. Right. Uh, it'll bring in funding for them, and it's showing other people that recovery is possible or really anything's possible if you put your mind to it. Um, I've helped because I'm on social media, I've helped a lot of people get clean and sober without even being in the same room as them.

SPEAKER_05 34:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

People would comment, send me DMs, emails, because of you, I'm clean and sober. Thank you so much. Um, and that's that was driving me even more.

SPEAKER_05 34:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:50

Um, but then there's also people that are just reaching out, begging for help. Right. You know, and it's like I can't do that. Right. Not now, at least. Yeah. You know, when things get bigger, right? Um, there's gonna be a time where I'm I'm gonna be able to help more people.

SPEAKER_08 35:05

Was there a time where it was like super difficult to get someone to recovery?

SPEAKER_00 35:11

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 35:12

I wrote that question and I'm like, yeah, obviously there's a butt. Could you talk about that?

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Yeah, it's a great question. Um, I mean, I'll talk about the the pregnant pregnant girl.

SPEAKER_05 35:21

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

Because I mean, Jesse's in the room here, he can vouch for me.

SPEAKER_05 35:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:25

Um, so I was trying to get her to Boston to come to treatment where I I had raised enough money to pay for her her care. Right. She could not get on an airplane. She was so messed up. Yeah. Kept getting high because most people that I that I help when I take them out of state, they're gonna get high before they go. It's it's obvious. Right. Um, and so this girl, she could not make it on an airplane. I kept moving her flight. I want to say it was five, maybe six flights that I kept moving. And I just said, you know what, screw this. I'm going to her to pick her up and bring her to another spot where we had a partial scholarship. And and that's what we did. And she was so messed up. I I got her onto the plane to the next airport where she didn't come out of the airport for an hour and a half. Wow. Yeah. She was stuck in the bathroom. Um so once we finally got her out, Jesse and I drove her to the facility where as soon as we got there, she OD'd. Like she was unresponsive basically. And so we had to bring her straight to the ER, uh, where, you know, they took good care of her, and then finally she went to the facility. And again, to this day, she's she's got I think it's over three years clean or just around three years.

SPEAKER_05 36:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

Uh we talk, but we don't talk every day. Totally. Um, you know, I like to check in the people that I've helped a while ago, you know, maybe every two months. Um, I wish it was more, but like I I I can't be that available to everyone. Sure. But yeah, that was um very, very hard story. And that happens quite often.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

You know, even someone that I find in Boston, they miss the flight, they can't make it. Right. It's it's very overwhelming.

SPEAKER_05 37:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

But it's rewarding once they do go. Right. If they don't go, yeah, it's a letdown, but I'm planting the seed.

SPEAKER_05 37:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:22

You know, if they're not ready that day, they will be someday. Wow. Yeah. So at least I know I tried.

SPEAKER_08 37:26

Yeah. Yeah. Talk more about that. Because I think that there's probably a lot of people hearing this or that maybe or can think like, well, I tried and it didn't didn't do anything. So what's the point?

SPEAKER_00 37:35

You know? Yeah, I get it. Um, addiction sucks. It's fucking awful. Yeah. It really is what it does to someone. Because once someone gets clean, they're a whole different person. It's crazy. So like that's why I say to people, don't judge, they're just going through it. Um, but I guess if someone out there is trying to help someone, whether it's a family member, maybe give it a different approach. Have someone that's not a family member step in and see what they can do. That sometimes helps more. Never give up on someone.

SPEAKER_05 38:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:07

The way I look at it is if you're if someone's not going to go to treatment or do the right thing, you know, I just sit on the sidelines. Right. When they're ready to pull me in, they'll pull me in. Yeah. You know, I I don't just run away.

SPEAKER_08 38:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 38:21

Can you I just say that again for the listeners? Like, never give up on someone.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

Yeah. Never give up on someone. Uh, if they're not ready at that moment, then just sit on the sidelines and just watch from a distance. Right. When they're ready, they're gonna pull you in.

SPEAKER_08 38:36

The reason I'm so encouraged by hearing you say, Don't give up, is is because I think that sometimes, and tell me if you agree with this, but people will feel like at their wit's end or don't know where to start or what to do next. And they will hear, like, well, you gotta show them tough love. And for them, it translates to like, I'm gonna ghost them, I'm gonna cut everything off, never talk to them again, or whatever, you know. And I it I just feel like what I'm hearing you say is like it's not tough love, like, hey, you've run out of chances, bye. But rather it's like, when you're ready, I will be here for you.

SPEAKER_00 39:13

Yeah. Yeah. And that's that's me. That's what I do. Yeah. No matter what. There's people that have burned me, um, tried to defame me. But even like there's a kid by the name of Tyler.

SPEAKER_05 39:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

And great kid, you know, he'll admit it himself. Like he's talked shit about me, um, you know, said that I was a bad person, this and that. But we're we're friends still to this day. And he knows what he did was not the right thing to do. Right. He was just in active addiction, and it happens. You know, I'm I'm not mad at him. Um, so yeah, when people are in active addiction, they do crazy things.

SPEAKER_08 39:52

How do you help people after they they're out of treatment? Like what's the aftercare plan? Do you work with centers on like relapse prevention or like what does that look like for you?

SPEAKER_00 40:01

Yeah. So depending on where they go, some places that I work with they have a great, you know, the next step system, really. Um when I raise money for people, I allocate a certain amount of money for sober living when the time comes.

SPEAKER_05 40:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:14

I'll try and get as much of a scholarship as I can. Yeah. Sometimes I'll get a six-month scholarship, sometimes it's just seven days. Um, so I try and raise as much money as I can because if I don't have a scholarship, I'm gonna pay for IOP with housing. Um, and then I want to set aside money for them to live. You know, we give them a certain budget, $200 a week or whatever it may be, depending on how much they raise, and we slow release it to them on a fresh start card, and it's helped tremendously.

SPEAKER_05 40:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:47

It's given people longer sobriety. Like it's proven I have all my data and all that stuff, and we're only like six months in, which is crazy.

SPEAKER_05 40:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:58

So like what we're doing is working. Uh I'm just trying to scale it, you know?

SPEAKER_03 41:03

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

So obviously, you know, I need to network with other facilities that want to be a part of what we're doing. Um, I want to network with good facilities. I don't want to I I I've heard stories with some out there. I've even had my own issues with them. Right. Um, but there's a lot that I work with now that are great. And I I'm grateful for them. And um you know, I just want to help people longer, as as long as I can without enabling them. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_08 41:32

What do you wish people knew about the people that you interact with every day and and that you help?

SPEAKER_00 41:37

A lot of them are great people. Yeah. Like really, really good people. Just going through a tough time. Um so don't treat them like they're a nobody or a piece of shit. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 41:50

Okay. So people so often see those in addiction or in homelessness as like essentially other, even just on a subconscious level, like we were talking about at the start. How do we help people see them as essentially human?

SPEAKER_00 42:03

I guess try and think about how they ended up in that situation.

SPEAKER_05 42:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

Um I'd say a lot of us in the United States are one or two paychecks away from becoming homeless or losing something or losing a lot. Um, a lot of us struggle, including myself. Yeah. You know, I've struggled for a long time. I think just if you can try and put yourself in their shoes and just think like what happened. They could have lost a relative that just made them go into a deep, deep depression. Um, they could have lost their job over something stupid. Yeah, they could have chose to lose their job, right? Um, or they could have been lazy. That's that's true. You know, there are lazy people out there. Right. And it's unfortunate. But I feel like there's always some underlying issue to why they ended up there. And you'd be surprised to find out that a lot of it is, you know, uh something that just could have been easily avoided. Right. Uh and and when someone loses everything, it's so hard to get something even little back. Right. So sometimes a little bit of help can go a long way.

SPEAKER_08 43:09

Yeah. What are some of the like um dumb practical stuff that people don't think about? Like you've talked about like like the plane ride and stuff like that. For people getting out of those situations, what are the things that people who aren't in those situations don't think about?

SPEAKER_00 43:24

For the person trying to get help, the lack of resources, like for them to get a resume. Um I think that is a is a big hurdle.

SPEAKER_03 43:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:34

Um, little things like that, like an ID is huge. Yeah. You know, if they don't have an ID, you know, we help them with that as best as we can. I guess that the the way to help not really me, but it's the people that I help. Uh, you could just go to our website, freshstartcard.com, yeah, browse it, and you can see individual people, you can see their stories, you can see what they even need help with. And then just kind of get your information from that. Um, you can become a monthly contributor. Um, but for them to do on their own, without me in the picture, let's talk about a homeless person, for example. If they see a homeless person, Ask them how their day is. Um buy them a mail if if they can, and they would be uh surprised at what they find out from that person.

SPEAKER_03 44:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:24

Don't just hand cash, you know, ask them what they need. They might tell you a s crazy story that you might be able to help with or that might resonate with you. Just have a conversation first.

SPEAKER_08 44:36

Let's bring it to present day. Uh you today have a wife and two daughters. Um after a day of being on the road doing outreach, what does it look like for you uh coming home and just being a dad in in long-term recovery?

SPEAKER_00 44:52

Well, it's great to come home to my family. Yeah. Uh I love my my girls so much. They motivate me to do more and more every day. They see what I'm doing, they know what I do.

SPEAKER_05 45:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

And they're young, you know, they're ten and seven, but they understand what I do. And it and it also rubs off on them. You know, my kids want to help people all the time. Uh even if we go just go to like I don't know, uh, Dunkin' Donuts, for example. My daughter the other day, she's like, Can we give them a tip, please? Oh no, that was the ice cream place.

SPEAKER_05 45:20

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:21

Can we give them a tip, please? And I said, I already gave them a tip, baby. And I gave them a ten dollar tip. She's like, Can I just give one dollar please? Oh my gosh. Yeah. So they just always want to do something nice.

SPEAKER_05 45:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:32

And that really touches me.

SPEAKER_05 45:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:34

But you know, it's it's it's a lot what I do. I I wear a lot of hats. Yeah. And I have several businesses that I'm trying to have, you know, be successful. And a few of them are in the very early stages. So it's a lot of work. Um, but uh my family definitely motivates me and I love them very much. I'm grateful to have them and um grateful to just have me, you know, being sober, being able to help people.

SPEAKER_08 46:04

Fifty years from now, what do you hope your daughters remember about growing up with the good bosses, their dad?

SPEAKER_00 46:10

Uh, I hope they remember to always be there for someone in need. Yeah. You know, if if they can.

SPEAKER_08 46:16

Victor, thank you so much for being here today. And thank you so much for everything that you're doing um around the country, helping people in need. I feel like I could run through a wall. I'm just like jacked up, like uh, and and want to just like, yeah, go help people and and hopefully inspire other people to help people. Um, if I can just, I don't know how you do with like um like public admonishments or complimenting or whatever. I hate it. So if you also hate it, uh completely valid, but I just want you to feel uh proud of where you're at. Um, and I think that part of why I was so excited to get to hear your story in person is that I look at you and you're a person who is in active recovery, and um, you are the perfect example of like an ordinary guy that has found recovery, that's in active recovery, is giving back to others. Um and today people have in their minds often like recovery is like it's like a picture of you know a beer bottle with like an X over it. It's it's like just don't do this thing.

SPEAKER_02 47:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 47:23

And it's so much more than that. We help people recover, be it from addiction or homelessness or whatever, not so that they can not do something, but so that they can take their two daughters to the park. Of course. Like that's recovery. And your your story of the mom three years clean and and with like a beautiful three-year-old child, that's recovery.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 47:44

Um, so just thank you so much for everything that you're doing. And um, yeah, where can people find you online? What are your handles? Um, where where can they go find Fresh Start to support that?

SPEAKER_00 47:54

Yeah. So every handle is the same. It's Victor the Good Boss and Fresh Startcard.com is where you can see what we're doing, helping so many people uh at scale. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 48:07

Thank you all for listening. Um, head to Fresh Start uh to help as well. Um, and we will see you on the next one for Recovery Cast. Bye, but I'm gonna go.