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ET encounters: What Your Star Family Wants You to Know w/ Kristy Crabtree
Join me for a mind-expanding conversation with Kristy Crabtree, an entrepreneur, therapist, author, and extraterrestrial contactee. Kristy shares her remarkable journey from skepticism to acceptance after her "star family" introduced themselves following a profound healing experience. We dive deep into our parallel experiences with extraterrestrial contact, including profound childhood healing interventions that changed both our lives.
This episode goes to unexpected places as we explore consciousness expansion, the connection between trauma healing and spiritual awakening, and the possible non-human origins of humanity. Kristy also reveals insights about humanity's potential future paths - one merging with AI technology and another evolving through higher consciousness.
About the Guest:
Kristy Crabtree is a therapist who built a successful counseling practice with 50 employees while exploring alternative healing modalities beyond traditional talk therapy. After healing childhood trauma through plant medicine work, she experienced direct contact with extraterrestrial beings who identified themselves as her "star family." Kristy's forthcoming book "Sacred Revolution" details her spiritual journey and the messages she's received about humanity's evolution and potential.
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Hey, I’m Ian Vogel—host of Alternate Timelines. My journey started on a small farm in the midwest, where I always felt a little out of place. After years of skepticism and even a stint as an atheist, a near-death experience changed my perspective on everything. Since then, I’ve explored plant medicine, past life memories, and the mysteries of consciousness. Now, I’m sharing those experiences to help others navigate their own awakening. Through real stories, deep conversations, and wild explorations of the unknown, we’re building a community where it’s okay to question reality. You’re not alone in the unknown. 👽✨
I was just like, oh man, my friends talk to angels. They talk to spirit guides. They talk to dead loved ones, and I am like the alien one. I don't want that. Like, there was so much resistance, Ian, when this first started coming into my paradigm, I was just like, no, Our history is a lie. And when you start knowing yourself, you start to learn your history and you start to wake up to that and know the truth of our history because it's in our collective DNA experience. It's just really made me wonder over time, like, I don't think any of us are human in origin.
HypeMiC & FaceTime HD Camera:What is Up and Welcome to Another Episode of Alternate Timelines. Oh my goodness, today's episode is so good. I had the pleasure of interviewing Kristy Crabtree, who is an entrepreneur, a therapist, an author, and an extraterrestrial. This conversation goes to places that I did not expect it to go. She's just a wealth of knowledge and a super straightforward, And she's really a down to earth person. And that's precisely why I wanted to have her on and talk to her. Specifically about her extraterrestrial experiences. And she goes into great detail. And she does not hide anything and Truth be told, I also share some things in this podcast that I've never shared. So, it was a experience for both of us, and if you're just coming to this podcast now, this is the second part of a series that we did. She interviewed me for her podcast Transcendence Talks, and in that episode, she is interviewing me. In that episode, we talk a lot about entities and plant medicine and the different things that can glom onto you. definitely something that you'll want to listen to if you've done any sort of platinum medicine work or are in the realm personal development or growth. Kristy has such a unique perspective coming from the field of therapy and running a successful counseling business. So hearing her talk about her experiences with non ordinary states of being, plant medicine, and ultimately extraterrestrials, which is a lot of what this conversation revolves around, was really eye opening. She blew my mind on multiple occasions so that was an experience that was really just cool for me to have because I've had a lot of extraterrestrial experiences and the way she framed some things was just really unique and Things that I've never thought of so yeah, there is just so much to learn from her I'm super grateful for coming on and Without further ado, let's just get into it
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:Kristy I am so grateful that you're on the podcast and taking this time with me. I really wanna know about extra terrestrials, but be, but before we get there, I would like to know a little bit more about your history and, we, we've spoken before and I think a lot of people are gonna be coming to this from our, the episode that we just did, we're, we're doing a bit of a role reversal here. So in on, on Christie's podcast, I. The Transcendence talks. She interviewed me, and now I'm going to be doing the interviewing and answering the questions. The extraterrestrial thing, we'll, we'll get to it, but how did, how did you get to the extraterrestrial I know you spent time as a, as a therapist, and I'm sure that informs a lot of what you've done with your practice and with, with work. But I know you also recently wrote a book and are starting a series of retreats that are related to that. So yeah, please inform us a little bit more about, about how you got to be here and what brought about the, the Sacred Revolution.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:Okay. Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here and have this conversation with you, somebody who's so like-minded and I think who understands it, firsthand. So it feels like there's no judgment, like you feel like a kindred spirit in this space, which is awesome. So I never thought I would arrive at a place where I was talking about extraterrestrials. In fact, when that came into my line of consciousness, I was just like, oh man, my friends talk to angels. They talk to spirit guides. They talk to dead loved ones, and I am like the alien one. I don't want that. Like, there was so much resistance, Ian, when this first started coming into my paradigm, I was just like, no, I'm not gonna talk about that part of it. I'm gonna talk about all the things, but I'm not gonna talk about that part of it. And at some point in my healing, it became so clear to me, that that was. Why I was having these experiences was because I was appointed to talk about it because it needed to happen. It's a conversation that you see it in the psychology realm. When people start talking about ets, they, they become hospitalized. They, they lose their licenses, they become subject to all kinds of, have different things where, they lose their credibility. So when it, honestly, if I wanted to be believable, I would've just left it out. I'll, I'll tell you that much. If I wanted to be believable and I wanted to maintain credibility, I would've left it out. But my personality is such that, I share from a place of integrity, and because of that, it would've left too many holes and the story wouldn't have made sense. And so, so it's in my book and my book hasn't come out. It'll be available on Amazon. by the summer, by June and, which is a year to date, when my star family introduced themselves to me, which is ironic, But, that's the way it went. I had a lot of resistance to this book and a lot of resistance to these experiences. So
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:I love so much that you refer to the extraterrestrials that, that you've encountered as your star family. I do a prayer every morning and my star family is in part of my prayer, and that's how I talk to them. My brothers and sisters from the stars, that's how I refer to them. So that's like, you just hit a cord real deep inside me with, with that. And,
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:it wasn't my words, it was theirs. It's how they introduced themselves to me. They said, we're your star family. We have a message for you. Would you like to receive it? And I said, yes. So I, that's just how I've named them ever since.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:Well, I, I honor you for saying yes, and when things come out of left field into our lives like that. It can be challenging to say yes. I think it takes a lot of courage because, the things that we're gonna be talking about and some of our shared experiences, they, as you said, can lend to people not thinking you, of you as credible. There's, there's such a cultural taboo around any conversations around extraterrestrials or, or even past lives or expanded states of consciousness, things that some people like, like you and I have experienced regularly and have a, have a deep connection with, and a, a level of understanding with that. A lot of people just don't, and like I, I acknowledge the bravery that, that it takes for you to, to be out about it and to share your experience. So I guess I'm, I'm really curious. The introduction to the star family in, in that situation, I think you said plant medicine, and I know plant medicine and your, doing work in the, in the therapy field, there's some gray areas. Contradiction can, can cause some issues. So I know you, you mentioned a little bit that you're, what you're doing now has progressed quite a bit, but how does one make that jump? Because I know there are gonna be a lot of people who, they may not necessarily be therapists, but they are professionals and people that are having these sorts of experiences. How does somebody get to the point where. Where you feel like you can talk about it and walk us through that journey that, that you went through from where you were in the beginning to, to where you are now.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:Absolutely. So I think you come into the therapy fields for a lot of reasons, but I think most people come into the therapy field because they have a desire to understand themselves. And, so, there's some selfish motive underlying that, right? Like, I, I was fascinated by the study of psychology and as I learned about it in school, I was like applying it to my own, sense of self and expanding my own awareness of who I am and why I am who I am. And it was interesting. And so, I, as I be, as I became a counselor in the field back in 2008, I noticed that it had limitations, talk therapy had limitations. And so it put me on this journey of wanting to figure out how can I be more effective? Because people are coming in and they have trauma and talk therapy is simply not enough. And people can talk about their trauma, they can re reframe cognitive beliefs, but it just felt like it wasn't getting to the root of anything. And I was frustrated sitting across from people with a passion, with a desire to help. And at the same time, I was experiencing this emptiness in myself that I really couldn't understand. So it was this parallel process of wanting to be effective and helpful and serve, and also figuring out why am I feeling the way that I'm feeling. And I was a student of every therapy modality that I would learn, I would go out and seek a therapist and say, I'm gonna try this for myself because I will not put my clients through anything that I will not subject myself to. So I learned EMDR, I learned hypnotherapy, I learned internal family systems and, all those things helped me become more and more effective and helped me learn more about myself at the same time. So I felt like with this expanding sense of gnosis, I could bring my clients to new depths of themselves because I wasn't afraid to go there anymore. But there was still something missing. And it wasn't until I discovered, psilocybin and other plant medicines that I realized there's something inside of me that I haven't explored. And it was like this feeling of terror. And I remember experiencing this terror for the first time in ceremony thinking, what is that? And I knew it was buried under these protective parts of me, probably the parts of me that would work a lot, that built businesses that were very successful. And I, I started to realize, I think you're running from something, but I don't know what it is. And then there was shame, like, how can you be this therapist that helps people connect the dots in their lives, but there's just dots that are somehow disconnected in your own? And it was a really uncomfortable place for me to be. And that discomfort created this propensity of like, I need to figure it out and I need to do it quickly because I can't be in this liminal space of like whatever this unknown thing is. So I started using the plant medicine to get to the bottom of it, and I found out I had repressed memories. And, they were the a again, something I had resistance to. I didn't want that to be my story. And, it was also something that. Okay, what do I do with this? The person who abused me is still in my life. I didn't know that that was my truth. Is it my truth? Am I just making it all up? Maybe I'm just making it all up and maybe I'm just a horrible person. Until the day came when that person seemed to confess to some of these things and validated what I had experienced. And, that was this moment that shifted everything for me. It was like I was no longer battling myself. And there was this sense of internal freedom that I had never, never experienced before because there was a part of me that, my body was serving to protect me from knowing because it was just too overwhelming for that to, to be processed at the time. And, and there just comes a time I, everybody's life and not everybody has repressed memories, but we all have overwhelming experiences that are difficult to process. And until we have safety in our external environment, we can't. Process those things. And so the time came when I had safety in my family of creation, safety within my own nervous system, stability in my life. And it was like the time was just right then, and it wasn't uncovering that trauma and a ceremony where then God came in and was like, Hmm. And now you get to be you authentically because you've like un unturned turned over that last stone that you were so afraid to look under. And so really that's when my star family came into the picture.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:No, that's, that's really interesting. And, and thank you so much for your vulnera vulnerability and willingness to share such a, a deep and, and intimate story. And I think that's something that happens to a lot of people where, that last stone left to be unturned. That's taking up some mental space or some space in your spirit. And in order for the new thing to come in, like your, your soul's journey, like what you're really put here for, in order to make room for that, you've gotta clear out all the stuff that's taking up that space. And often tho those last lingering things, they can be pretty gnarly. And, and I think it's, I think there's a lot of people who, who just never uncover that last stone and they just live their life with that thing, with that burden that they don't necessarily know exactly what it is, but they, they don't have enough courage or they're not in a safe enough space to do that kind of work or to allow themselves to, to do that. And, and I believe that the, the unconscious mind or represses memories in order to keep you safe, this is an e evolutionary safety mechanism. This repressed memories isn't necessarily a bad thing. When that memory was repressed, that memory was repressed for a reason, because for whatever reason, maybe your neurology or because of your safety, you wouldn't have been able to process all that information when that thing happened. So
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:Exactly that. Honestly, I was So young when it happened that the medicine regressed me back to, before they even showed me the memory in medicine. I say they, when I say they, I'm referring to like my spirit team. Right? before they even showed me the memory, what they showed me was they regressed me back to almost being like an infant or a toddler where you don't have this running dialogue in your head anymore and you're just, I just got this sense that I'm just loving awareness. And I'm observing life with the awe and the wonder of a child. And I was like, oh, this is so beautiful. This is what it feels like to be a, a baby, an infant. And I, I am just loving awareness and I'm observing this space. And, and there was magic everywhere. And then there was the assault on my nervous system, and then there was the visceral imprints of the trauma that I felt. And I would say, no, no, no, that's not real. That's not real. That this isn't happening. And when I would do that, the pain would come in and my body would say, oh yeah, try to deny me now. Try to deny me now. And it would hurt so bad. And I would feel all the pain come rushing back. And then I'd say, oh my God, that is real. That did happen to me. And this relief would come to my body and I would wrestle with it. And as I wrestled with it, the pain would come and the pain would go. But what I knew to be true in that moment was that there were no thoughts. There was no conceptualization of what was happening to me because I had no words for what had just happened.'cause I was too little. And it's almost like when words are divorced from, from the experience of your nervous system, it does not imprint as an explicit memory. It, it imprints as an implicit memory, which is like, try to tell me how to ride a bike. Right? There's like no words. You just have to get on there and you remember how to do it. But I can tell you how to bake my grandmother's cookies from like A to B, right? That's explicit. But impli implicit is like this just visceral memory with no anchors. And that's exactly what it was.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:Wow. I just had a couple of light bulb moments and I never considered it from the point of view of a child. And, and I've experienced that from time to time in past life regression and, plant medicine ceremonies being in blissful childlike state.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:Yeah.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:But I, I never thought about how you just don't have any frame of reference for something like you experienced. And there's nothing about that that would indicate that that is a real experience.'cause it's so far out of your, your normal experience of just loving awareness. That's so profound and powerful. And like the fact that anybody and everybody experiences that at some point. And that tho those kind of experiences really shape people in a, in a really meaningful and profound way for potentially the rest of their lives. You know what I mean? That, that experience you're gonna, that that is going to be something that's present with you on either as a wound or as a, a, something that's healed for, for your entire life. So, knowing that everybody has that, something like that from on that level really just opens my heart and I feel a lot of compassion for, for people out there that are hurting and they don't even know why, because there's a, just a, a young version of themselves that was wounded in such a way that they can't even put words to. Because the version of themself that was wounded didn't necessarily have the development of language yet. So how is the adult going to be able to put words to something that had no words at the time
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:and had you even accept it as your reality, And, and so that's why in therapy I was so frustrated. It's like, I know there's something in there and I just can't touch it. I can't touch it. But, you know, state induced learning is a thing. And until I was literally regressed by the medicine to that state of loving awareness, I don't think I would've ever had the capacity to access it. And people would say, well, you're just not ready to know. You're just not ready to know. When you're ready to know, you're gonna know. And I would wanna punch them in the throat.'cause I was like. I'm trying everything to know. I know there's something inside of me. I don't know what it is, and I've prayed every day to know, don't tell me I'm not ready to know it. It was just unaccessible to the aspects of my mind that it had just been buried so deep.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:Wow, that's, and to think that we all have an aspect of ourselves that, that is like, that I think if everybody thought about that a little bit more and took that into consideration when they're interacting with, with people in their day-to-day life, that it would probably have a, a big impact on, just on, on how people. Communicate with each other and connect with each other, and, and the fact that there's this shared experience that, that everybody has on in some sort of way, on some sort of level of just confusion and not being able to put words to, to different experiences and how that might shape your whole life. That's pretty mind, boggling. And something I, I've never considered and coming into this conversation, it's not too often where I have an experience of, of getting my mind blown like this, but kudos. That's fantastic. I and very unexpected. I'm gonna have to chew on this for a while.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:Yeah. No, thank you. I, I did too. I wrestled with this one for, I'd say five years. Right. Like grappling with like, I don't want this to be true. Maybe, maybe I'm making it up. Which was also part of the trauma, right? Like you're just making that up. That's not true. I'm sure that was part of the narrative of the trauma. I don't remember, but I, I have a. A sneaky suspicion, so it's real interesting and, I find that even now, right? Like, I think, like you said, I'll always be, have a scar, always be healing from it. I think I'll always wrestle a little bit with can I believe my truth at the deepest level or do I reject it? And I think that's the continued healing is like to meet myself deeper and deeper in that space of, trusting me. and I, I, I think we all have that kind of like core wound that we always just, we need it deeper and deeper and deeper. until we can stand at the center, but it feels like a spiral to me. That's what I've been shown is like you have a broad awareness and it gets more and more narrow till you get to the center. And I think we're all just working towards that center.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:Yeah, I totally agree, and something that really changed my paradigm, thinking about the spiral.'cause yeah, this, comes up in when talking about healing. So you, you come to the same point on the spiral and people talk about the, the spiral of ascension. As you, as you learn and you grow and you, you raise in your frequency, you revisit the same point and relearn the same lessons in, in a different way that gives you new meaning and more wisdom about those lessons. But in, in the same way that there's a circle of ascension, there's a, there's an equal and opposite si circle and spiral that, that goes down in, into the core of ourself. And I think when you go up, it's you're connecting with, with, with source. And when you're going down the spiral can a, as you motion, it's connecting with the, the core of yourself, which in one way they're the same thing, but there's a a different experience of of going in each direction.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:and I think you gotta go down to go up. When I met the first encounter I had with Christ, he showed me two triangles. one that goes down and one that goes up. And I was working with somebody facilitating a, a medicine session and he said, first you go down. And I saw the spiral that goes down through that triangle. And he said to know that the heights of, the spiral that goes up, you have to go to the depths of the spiral that goes down. And I think, those polarities, I mean we live in this world of polarities and that's the portal. Yeah, that's the portal. It's gnosis, right? It's ultimately the deepest form of gnosis where we can experience, the most exalted states within ourselves.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:that rings very true to me and, and something that I. Have become aware of through some sort of spiritual teaching is that your capacity to love somebody else is only as great as your capacity to love yourself. And like, I think that that's just a different way of articulating what, you're talking about. To reach the highest heights you have to, to reach the, the lowest lows. And as far as your ability is to go down into it, is gonna be your ability or your willingness to go up into it. So, after, after having this experience and you said it took years to integrate that into, to be able to put it into context and to work with it and, to feel some sort of re resolution from that. What, what was that journey like? And like the, the integration process for something that's so like deep and intense.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:it wasn't until very recently that it made sense to me because what Spirit showed me, and kind of like the chapters in my book is Spirit showed me there's like these four LE levels to healing. There's these four steps, if you will, that we do over and over and over again. And the first one is just know yourself. And when I say know yourself, it's almost like that Carl Yung space of, until you make the unconscious conscious, it dictates your life. And you call it fate. It's that it's not like, oh, I know who I am. It's like, no. Like I know my unconscious patterns and I take accountability for them, and I'm aware of the impact that they have and how they. Either propel me forward or hold me back, phase. So, so the medicine did that for me. Like, whew, here's the unconscious things, And then the second part of that is, die, which is that experience of surrender, of surrendering to those patterns and saying, okay, I see them and I'm, I am willing to do something different with them. I, I'm willing to surrender them and let them go and transmute them into something else, which is where we rebirth ourselves. And and that's where I stayed for a long time, was kind of like, Ooh, I'm new here. I need to be gentle with myself. I feel like a toddler. I thought I knew what life was. I thought I knew who I was, and I guess I didn't, I guess I was wrong. And I guess I'm figuring that out and I'm learning all over again, and maybe my whole life's been a lie. And it was a dark place. And it was also a place where there was new potentials and possibilities of. Of freedom of resolution, but I just didn't know how to get there and I didn't know what that looked like. and it was a lot of hard conversations, renegotiating boundaries, recognizing where, where I've given so much of myself away to keep the peace or for other people's protection or safety and grieving that. and the last phase is phase four, which is know yourself as creator, which is where you reclaim all those things and you call all your power back to you and you can wield it in a way that serves others. And so spirit, show me those four phases and, I stayed in that third one, that rebirth phase for years and years and years before I was ready to call my power back. And I had to build relationships with these young parts of myself that I exiled and cast away unintentionally. because she was too much and she had a lot of pain and, and I didn't wanna face her and I didn't wanna know her. yeah, so I stayed in that phase for a long time. 3, 3, 4 years.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:Wow. So what is it like going from that phase, the rebirth phase? to calling your power back. What does that entail and what does that look like in, in your life? I'm guessing the book has something to do with that
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:Yeah. So on my birthday after this whole phase three thing, and I had the conversation with that person of kind of like, Hey, this is just my reality. I know this happened, and whatever. There was like this release, there was this sense of internal freedom and that summer, it was almost like medicine cracked me open. And I used that summer to allow these medicine experiences to almost like put me back together and figure out how to rebuild myself. And so my husband and I, we, it was my birthday and we had gone on vacation. I was like, I wanna do a ceremony on my birthday. So that's exactly what we did. And he hadn't seen or experienced what had happened to me. And the medicine, I almost, it's as if I channeled that real young part of myself. and it was as if I needed my husband to just hold that space for me and witness that little girl, because only I had known her. I hadn't shown her to anybody else. And it was as if she needed to be seen. And he was in a space where he was on his healing journey and he was able to hold her and me and witness us together and say, I believe you and I know. And I'm sorry. And he just held me in that space and it was so powerful and so sacred. And I thought that that's what that night was gonna be about was just him holding me in that space and us reconciling these things that happened and him witnessing that for me. And as I thought the medicine was wearing off that night, we were star gazing on a roof because star gazing has always been my thing. And he set up this beautiful birthday celebration for me where we, we star gazed on the top of a balcony in Mexico. And, as we're watching the stars and I'm coming outta medicine, I'm feeling pretty much in my body at this point. I watched the stars start to shift and they were moving in real time. And this wasn't like seeing it through the eyes of medicine like I was in my body and really clear. And I look at him and I'm like, are you seeing what I'm seeing? He's like, the stars moving and making triangles. I said, yeah, well, he didn't have this experience, but I did. And the first set of stars turned it into the pyramid of Giza and the second set. Jetted out into a hologram where it looked like the pyramids you would see in Central America, like an Aztec step pyramid. And the third shape that emerged for me in my, in this hologram where almost like you see a black night sky, it was as if the sky would become just a little bit blacker and the stars would make an outline. And I saw like a Chinese conical hat like you would see in the rice fields. And all of a sudden I hear, this is your intergalactic star family. We have a message for you. Would you like to receive it? And my, I feel like lightning goes through the top of my head. I'm talking faster than I usually talk and there's energy shooting through my heart out my left hand. And I was like, I think I'm dying. Like I'm pretty sure I'm dying. and I say this to my husband and he's like terrified now. And he looks at me like I have three heads and he's like, star family. And I was like, it's just what I'm hearing. And they said to say that and he was like. I'm gonna go to bed. And I was like, just, just hang with me for like a second.'cause, and I tell him what I'm seeing. I'm like, are you seeing this? He's like, I'm seeing shit move in the sky. You're talking about Star family. He's like, I don't know, like, this makes me so uncomfortable. And I'm like, I know, I know, but hang with me. And he was like, okay. So all of a sudden I am channeling. but I don't know that at the time, like I'm hearing and I am just speaking as I'm hearing it and they're telling me that underneath all of the pyramids are, are labyrinths. And they said, congratulations. You walked the labyrinth. And I see Anubis and I didn't know who he was at the time. I just say, I, I tell my husband, I see they're showing me this jackal headed God, like from Egypt, you know those jackal headed ones. And he was like, yeah. I was like, I'm seeing him and he's the one who let me into the labyrinth. And he said, congratulations, we sent. warriors and healers, and shamans into the labyrinth. And it's where you meet yourself. And some people don't make it out alive, some people die. But you meet yourself in the darkness and when you can meet yourself in the darkness, you ascend to the top of the pyramid and that's where you stand and you hold the light for others so that they can come out of the darkness. And I was just like, oh my gosh. And so it was as if like, my life had just been this initiation process into stepping into this energy or this archetype of the healer. And there was like, they showed me an elephant in the stars. And, and then at this point a ship comes, I see an actual craft and it like lights the sky and, and my husband sees the craft and everything and there's a light coming down on these stars. And and there was like elephants. I'm like, were there elephants in Egypt?'cause they're showing me elephants. And there's this space under the pyramid where it's like negative space and you can teleport your energy and They're showing me all these things. He's like, I'm done. Like I am done. I'm going to bed. And I was like, oh my gosh. Okay. And so, so that was my first experience, with my star family. And it only accelerated that summer, where I was having experiences like this regularly on medicine and not on medicine. and then like a whole book had been downloaded, essentially into my head. But, but that was the initiation that was like, nice to meet you. Are you open to us? And, it was like a full mind body. Yes. I'm not sure if I fully understood what they were at the time. All of it had been, was revealed over the summer and they would just gimme more and more information.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:Wow. Thank you for sharing that. And I understand how for people listening to this, that may s seem like a lot and, and seem out there. I just wanna say that I had a different but similar sort of experience that you had and I'm not gonna get into it here. I definitely wanna learn more details about that. But I, I just wanna affirm that I had a similar sort of experience. And my belief is that there are more and more people who are having these experiences and we're being called forth to start to share these experiences in mediums like this and start to put it out there. people talk about extra terrestrials and the disclosure and there seems to be this belief that, one day on the mainstream media, there's just gonna be a news story on every news channel. They're gonna be like, oh, well they're here and here's the evidence. The thing is that nobody trusts the mainstream news networks. They've shown themselves to be not trustworthy and corrupt. Mm-hmm. When this information comes out, my belief. Is that it's gonna be, rather than a top down dispersal of information, it's gonna be a ground up, from individuals, from our community, people that you know, your neighbors. there's gonna be a point where we hit critical mass where you you won't need to go to the news to know that extraterrestrials exist. You just go to Christie down the street or Ian on the other side of town and say, Hey, what do you know about this? Or, I'm having this experience. Can you gimme any context to this? I've heard you're the person to talk to. You're like, oh, yeah, well, you're experiencing X, Y, and Z. So for anybody out who's out there, who's listening to this, you probably know somebody like us who's, who's just yet to come out and talk about it in all likelihood.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:absolutely.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:So I wanna like honor your story and your courage for being forthright and being willing to share your story. when it comes to the communication that you have with your star family, like how do you experience that communication? It's, probably not from your cell phone. What is that communication like for you?
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:It's evolved. it started where I would just experience it in medicine and I would say that I probably started, channeling in medicine and, so each medicine ceremony I would have, I mean, I hadn't, I had done medicine ceremonies and I had not had these experiences, and all of a sudden it was like once I healed that core wound, it was, one thing I wanna say about our star families is they're respectful. They ask permission. Like, they're so heart-centered and so aware of our fear. If you don't clear the fear from your system, it's probably really unlikely that you're gonna have these kinds of experiences. And if you do, they're probably gonna show up in something that looks very scary, that you're just gonna like, run from. And they, they recognize that. So I just wanna preface this too by saying that they, they're very respectful and they meet you where you're at in my experience of them. but as I as that final healing, it was almost like that was one of the little last layers that came through. It's as if AIS allowed me into whatever this portal was. I think Anubis is largely misunderstood in historical context. they say that he would weigh, a person's heart against a feather and, in death, as somebody died and then let them into, the labyrinth. And, I think he did that in life while people were alive. I don't think he waited until death. I think maybe as they were releasing parts of themselves or dying to themselves, that's when he would weigh their heart against the feather. I think the word death can mean a lot of things and, I think it's misconstrued in some of the texts. But anyways, as, as we would go on and have more ceremonies, I remember the next ceremony that my husband and I did. he had some work to do on himself, and that was the intention for the night. And so we both partook and, I I saw he needed to do a little piece of work, and so I was guiding him through that piece of work. Well, my vision went, ultraviolet. It was like everything in my vision had this ultraviolet hue, and we were in an Airbnb and all of a sudden I can hear somebody punching in the numbers, on the door for the code to get in, right? Like the, the key is just these numbers. And I thought, oh, somebody's here to clean the place. Like this is bad timing. I'll tell him to leave. So I'm like waiting at any moment for like the, the house cleaners to walk in. They don't, nobody walks in and the door never opens and the door never closes. But there's footsteps approaching where we are in the Airbnb. And my husband's freaking out. He's like, what the heck's going on? This is so scary. And I was like, boom. Something just came. I don't wanna say I allowed the channel to open at that point. And it just says, we're your intergalactic star family. We're here to help you heal. Are you ready to receive some healing? And my husband's just like looking at me like, are you safe? Are you okay at this point? And I just said, we'd like for you to receive some healing. And I'm talking like, in this plural. And he knew in that moment there was a shift in his affect. And he said, you're not even talking like you. I said, no. And he's just like, is real. And I was like, and I'm channeling so fast at this point. It's really interesting because when they come through and in the form of a stream of a channel. It's literally like a stream of consciousness that you're just allowing yourself to tune into. So when I speak there might be pauses or ums or I'm searching for clarification of what to say through my brain. This is very different. This is me trying so hard to keep the pace of this stream of consciousness, which is very fast and very high vibrational. So my voice tends to be higher in pitch, much faster, and it's things that I wouldn't say. And they intuitively knew things about my husband's life that I didn't know about. Traumas that he had that shaped his perception of reality. They, they were talking about circumstances like of maybe. Something happening to an animal of his when he was very young and how that impacted him or, and then they started talking about how him and I are actually having a parallel lifetime on another planet right now. And that he has a fear of death that he doesn't share or doesn't talk about, but that when he dies he's just gonna wake up on this planet. And they showed us that we were sitting together on the planet at that moment with our feet in the water gazing down at ourselves here on earth. Like silly human. Like when you pass away you're just gonna wake up and you're gonna be here on this planet like, like you've always been'cause you're never disconnected from it. And it was very clear. So then they channeled this whole healing and this is when I really got this gift of my arm lighting up and being able to use my arm to scan for energetic blocks in people's bodies and send them a transmission that they can receive. And if they choose to receive it, they don't have to, but if they choose to receive it, it seems to clear, some of those blocks for them. But I'm not a healer, right? Like it's very clear that the person has to receive it and choose, and they're their own healer. This is just a high frequency that my star family allows me to disseminate at times, to assist with that if, if people are open. so that's when that kind of came in and they told me so much information that, that I couldn't have known. They talked about a planet, Chiron, and that's where this, this group of star beings was from. and they described the color of the planet, the atmosphere, the density. there was so much that I, it's hard to even remember, but I think the biggest takeaway, that I got out of that experience was that God is infinitely creative and we, there are just so many different densities and layers to reality and there's so many different. Meet suits, right. Or whatever, like avatars that we can take on. and, and so it talk about humbling and realizing that there's so much that I don't know. and that if you're just open and curious, this information starts to come. That just really expands what you think you know about awareness. And I probably have more questions and answers. but these experiences just kept happening all summer long. All summer long. And they would be paralleling, like when I'd work with clients, even my clients, they don't know what I'm going through, right? But they, they'd come in and be like, you know what? I had the weirdest thing happen. Kristy I was in bed at night after our session today, regular psychotherapy session. This is like, I don't talk about this stuff in my sessions. And they're like. All of a sudden somebody started keying in the door key and it was like nobody was there. I think there was like a ghost, like maybe you got a weird visitation or something. And I'm thinking, oh, that's so interesting. And I'm like, what the heck? What's actually going on? But they would like almost affirm to me. Yeah, that was real. Because clients that I'm just having sessions with
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:a little like a little wink from the universe.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like see that.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:That's, wow, that's wild and really interesting. There are two things that you mentioned that, that really cut my attention and, and. It struck a chord. The first was when you were talking about Anubis and, and death, and I like intuitively, it almost felt like you were talking about ego death. Like he doesn't necessarily weigh your heart against the feather when your body dies, but, but when you're willing to go beyond the ego, like that's when that can happen. And an ego death is very much a death experience that it is fundamentally the same experience you have when you die. So that's, that's, that's really interesting. I, I'd never considered that. Or that somebody got their wires crossed when they were making that interpretation. Or when they
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:Like a literal interpretation when it wasn't ever meant to be literal, because I really feel like a UBIs has this key that lets you into the labyrinth, but the labyrinth is like when you're really ready to meet yourself at the core, Anup is like, cool, you wanna do that? Like, I'll unlock that door. Good luck. like gloves off.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:Wow. Yeah. That and the fact that, you are very adamant that our star family, they have our best interests at heart and they're always looking out for what is best for us. And I think they recognize that interfering or interjecting themselves when somebody's not necessarily ready or somebody doesn't accept their invitation, that that could potentially be traumatizing. And the last thing that they wanna do is cause harm or trauma or some sort of mental anguish by making themselves be known or appearing at a time where, where it wasn't appropriate or the person wasn't ready.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:I will be honest, yes. I was however shown later that I've had experiences with them my whole life and they veiled those experiences only for me to find out much later because had I known what was happening at the time, it would've been absolutely, utterly terrifying. But my husband and I have both been shown experiences from the time when we were tiny, tiny children of engaging with them and. It was totally wiped from our memories until we were ready to remember. And then they were like, don't freak out, like we've been here your whole life. And I was like, oh my gosh. Like, and then I could remember those experiences, but I thought they were dreams. I thought they were, what's it called? Like when you're parallel sleep paralysis? I thought, it was like a ghostly encounter. No, no, it was not.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:In any of those experiences that were from your childhood or from when you were really young, that had been withheld from you? Were there ever a time where you had been on a craft?
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:Yeah. Yeah. And that's the one thing I, I don't think I've really shared with anybody, because I think, that's probably when like all the labels of like she's crazy start coming out. So it's scary for me. But, yes. And. Multiple experiences, but the first one, my husband and I did a ceremony and, we're having a shared vision. And, I'm like, oh my gosh, I am, I, I, a word came into my head, it was, oh my gosh, what was it? I something reticuli, it was like the name of a,
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:Like Zeta
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:was like, Zeta Reticuli. I was like, why do I, why do I keep thinking Zeta Reticuli over and over and over? And we look up ab up above us and there's like a cloud that looks like a freaking little alien in a craft. And I'm like, Google Zeta Reticuli. And he, he is like, oh my God. It says that that's where abduction take place. It's like on Zeta Reticuli. And it's like, but, and there's an alien, like right there in the cloud, there's like a cloud alien. He's like, this is weird. And I'm like, I know. And at this point he's gotten much more comfortable and he doesn't think I'm crazy anymore, which is good. but I'm like, oh my gosh, we are on a craft and it looks like we're on some kind of table. And he goes, I see it too. And he goes, oh my gosh. He goes, I used to reach down and grab your hand. Like, I know you from there. And I go, how old were you? He goes, eight. I go, oh, well no.'cause I was four. And he was like, we're four years apart. And I was like, oh my gosh. That's right. what's crazy Ian is I had, when I was four years when I was born, I was born with a heart defect. It was a left ventricular, septal defect. It was so big that, I, I needed open heart surgery and I was very sick as a child. And, they're graded usually, like, they're, they're mild to, very severe. And, the moderate to severe ones tend to require open heart surgery. it's very unlikely that they'll resolve, but the mild ones tend to resolve on their own. But mine was severe. It was under the category of severe to the point where if I even bit the inside of my cheek and blood, it would stress my heart out so bad that I need to be medicated. So. I was very fragile, as a child and very sick. And I was scheduled for open heart surgery and I had a regular pediatric cardiologist. but when I was four years old, right before my open heart surgery, I had a spontaneous miraculous healing that was actually in a medical journal because my pediatric cardiologist was like, I've never seen a severe heart defect like this, just heal on his own spontaneously. And, that was in California, at Kaiser. And, what really got me was seeing myself on that craft at four years old when my husband was eight and he was holding my hand, I'm gonna cry. And they, that's what they were doing. They were healing my heart. And what's crazy is before I ever saw any of this, I, I was in Bali like years before I saw that my star family had anything to do with this healing and, I was sitting across from a soul seer at, at this like man's house on, on, on his porch. And, he was, he's appointed, you're appointed in Bali, Indonesia to become the seer because you start having these esoteric experiences. And he didn't speak any English, so I had to have my driver translate for me. And he goes like this. And the driver says, oh, you had a problem with your heart? I said, yeah. He goes, you weren't supposed to live, you were supposed to die. And I said, really? And he says, yeah, but you made a promise to God that you would heal people with your voice, and that if you did that he would let you live. And it was like in that moment, all these pieces just came together. And like my purpose was so clear and, my relationship with my star family was like solidified. I realized that like we are them and they're us, and there's like no separation between anything in this whole universe and there's nothing to fear. And, so I, I take my work very seriously. It's a promise to God that I made. so yeah,
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:not
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:have not shared this, this is not even in my book because I feel like people don't understand and it's very sacred to me. So, yeah, I'm surprised I'm even talking about it right now, to be honest.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:So, there is nothing premeditated about this, and I did not expect to go here. But at four years old, I was taken on a craft and received a, a, a procedure, so to speak, that helped me and it helped, has helped me survive and live in the situation that I was in. That's, that's a whole other story for, a different time perhaps. But
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:no, I need to hear about this now.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:well, uh, and this, this came to me in a, in a plant medicine ceremony. I had gotten a concussion. I, so I've, I had seven or eight concussions. Up to this point. I've several traumatic brain injuries. And when I was four, I fell off of the second story of a barn and gashed my gashed, my forehead. As I was falling. As I was falling through the floor, I hit my forehead and it tore off my eyebrow. and I, like, I always just thought that was the story because my parents semi make fun of me because of, the time that I lost my eyebrow and I, I fell into a pile of cow shit off the barn. And, and I, I thought that was it. fast forward 30 years, I'm sitting in a ceremony and I'm, working on healing the most recent concussion, this brain injury. And the little, Dr. CTOs in Ayahuasca are pulling on little things and, hooking up wires in my brain and making things come back together. And I, I had this download, this vision of, I realized that they were working behind my forehead. And they, they were disconnecting capillaries, like these little veins behind my forehead. And then I was shown this vision of being four years old, being taken onto a craft. the extraterrestrials used that wound as a cover basically, they made an incision under the wound so you wouldn't be able to see the incision. They placed a piece of human biological tissue. So basically a, something that would look like a, like a patch for a tire. Like some, some thick, dense. Brain matter above my third eye, and they attached some some little veins to it and capillaries to it so that my body would feed it and, and keep it intact because it was there to block my ability to, sense different kind of spiritual things. It, it basically reduced the capacity for my third eye to interpret and see beyond the veil because like the, the message that I got was, it would've been too much for you. You wouldn't have been able to manage having a third eye that's wide open as a little kid in your situation. It just, you would not have been able to cope with that much information coming in. So it was actually something that was done in order to help me. It was done for my, my wellbeing. And knowing that at a point in my life, I would have an understanding and be able, and have the tools and the support to be able to allow that the cutting of those, those little capillaries so that that gray matter could just dissipate on its own. My body could assimilate it and that my, my, my third eye could have more access to, to what it was capable of being able to do.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:Wow.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:so you are not, you are not alone in this. And again, I, I have a strong sense that there are probably a lot of people who are like, that was a weird dream. I, I, I dreamt that I was on a steel table and there was a bunch of, there's a bunch of aliens around me. That was, that was just, that was odd. Just, or yeah, and, or maybe there was something more to it and
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:And after didn't have dreams. I had nothing Right. Like, no memory of this whatsoever. until I did, just until I did. But they're like, you're ready now. Right. And it's almost like, again, nosis, you have to go down that triangle before you can go up. And they're like, yeah, you really wanna know yourself. Like, okay, ask and you shall receive. Like, we will show you who you are. And, it's just really made me wonder over time, like, I don't think any of us are human in origin. I think our, our ancestry is, from other dimensions, from other realities, from other planets, and, I, I don't know how much Greg Braden, like you watched, I remember going to this Greg Braden conference and he was talking about our DNA and he was saying that, the telomeres on the outside of the DNA or on the outside of the DNA, that's where they are. But in, in human DNA 200,000 years ago, somewhere in the middle, there's fused DNA on chromosome two and five that allowed us to like, speak words instead of have telepathy and oh, I'm making that assumption, right. He didn't say that, but I'm assuming that before we could speak words, we spoke telepathically because that's how these, our star family speaks, right? And, and I feel like that's so much older than language and it's so much more efficient. and so, you know, it changed things in our voice and in our throat and, and the, the statistical po probability of that being. To happen. It has not happened in any other species. no other species has developed in a way that they have used telomeres where DNA strands literally fused. It just makes you wonder, right? And it makes you wonder in like these biblical texts, they talk of giants, they talk of blue people in the Hindu world, and these are, these are not things that look foreign when you're in medicine, right? I mean, my skin tends to be blue when I see myself on other planets and they call them gods, they call them myths. I don't think that anything's a myth. I really don't.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:I, I love the, the Robert Edward Grant quote. What we perceive as coincidence is just a pattern that we've yet to recognize. It's a fancy way of saying there are no coincidences and the, we're just not aware of the origins of, and the, the greater context to which we're experiencing our life. And we, we perceive things in a certain way, but that may not necessarily be the, the ultimate truth of, of our experience. And, in talking, about the star fa your star family, what other messages have they shared with you that, that may be applicable to our society, to, to people as a whole? Have you, have you gotten any? Idea as to when or if they'll be more accessible or interactive with people on a, on a large scale basis?
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:Yeah, so it's been really interesting. they, one way they've interacted me with me is, and okay, this is where it gets really weird. This is what I'm still trying to unpack.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:Yes.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:we go. So.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:it to me.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:They come in with Christ all the time.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:Hmm.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:And, it's almost as if he's somehow very intimately connected, with the Star family. so much of the healing abilities that the star families have, Christ has too, and they come in together in, in my experiences, especially off of medicine, even more than on. And, what Christ told me is that, when he comes back to the planet, it's not going to be through him coming back in the flesh. Christ said that it's gonna be him coming back through the Christed DNA and the awakening of all of us. So as we remember, and what, what my star family told me is that this year, 2025, it's a nine year in, in numerology. It's a year of earnings and. What they showed me is, and now is very evident, but I was told this last year, like before the election and all of that, but that, truth is gonna be coming out. So it's gonna be like, like we talked about, those four phases of healing Earth is in phase two die, right? Which is like all the systems that we thought had our best interest at heart, we're seeing the heartbreaking reality that, that's not true. That they never had our best interest at heart. That it, it boils down to, corporate greed, keeping us sick and unwell and, not knowing who we truly are and not knowing our power. And it's by design. And so as those systems die, that they'll be here and more present on our planet to be part of that rebirth of the next phase of our evolution. Because once we deconstruct, we have to now build something new and something more aligned with our consciousness. But that there seems to be two separate paths. I've seen very clearly these beings that have, my, like chips integrated into their hearts, and it seems like ai, nothing's good or bad, right? Like AI technology, it's not good or bad. The consciousness behind it, just like medicine, the consciousness behind it is what dictates the experience of it. But I saw very clearly different timelines where some people choose to almost integrate with AI or technology to the detriment of their own soul, giving their power away to these tools and becoming completely inept or spiritually bankrupt, where other people go on the path of going inside, evolving down a path of higher consciousness. And, having a very different experience than those who choose to give their power away to these authorities and become essentially enslaved. And I've seen these beings, I've seen what they look like, and I've seen that timeline through my star family. I don't know if you've had similar experiences, but that's what I was shown.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:I was in Columbia in 2017, out in the middle of the jungle drinking ayahuasca with this indigenous family, middle of nowhere, and I stood under an almost full moon that night for I don't know how many hours, and I got a download that was almost exactly what you just described, seeing two different realities. The, the people who, who merged with the AI and the people who continue to be people. And the, the message that I got was that people of our generation need to be strong, not only for ourselves, but for the next generation. Because there's gonna be a lot of hard questions that need to be answered, and we're gonna have to decide what is human. And, the, the people who are in the younger generations now, like they're gonna have to deal with things that we never even thought of. So we need to get our stuff together right now so that we can be there to, to support and be wise elders to this generation that's gonna have just with the proliferation of ai. And, and like you, I, I don't have a, a value judgment around ai. And I believe at a certain point of integration, basically, that when you are, when your consciousness, when you get that chip, that connects your brain to Google and there's no longer a barrier between your brain and your consciousness and what's available on the internet. When those things merge, that the thing that makes us human, our individuality, that goes away and we become something closer to like beehive or like our, our consciousness changes in a fundamental way and not good or bad. But there, there are some serious consequences to that. And that, like, that means something the effects of that. Like, I don't, I don't know, per se. Yeah. It's, it's unpredictable. And that, and that's, that's exactly the extent of, to where that vision went for me is like when that happens. It's like that is gonna be a new experience in all the cosmos. That is gonna be a novel experience, not only in this dimension, but across all dimensions in the universe. Like there's a reason that there's what 8 billion people who have incarnated on the earth at this time is because, like, this is where it's at. This is the best show in the galaxy, in the, in the universe. And people wanna be here to experience it. Not good or bad, but to just watch the whole thing unfold. I was like, and, and, and the extraterrestrials, my sense is that they're doing the same thing too, and, and guiding us in a way that doesn't infringe on our free will. And, my sense is that they're doing what they can within the boundaries of something that's, that honors our free will and our. Ability to make the choice one way or another. And, yeah. So I'm, I'm curious about like your, your thoughts on that.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:They certainly conveyed a sense of a sense of urgency to me. I had all these experiences over a summer where all this information came and they were like, you're gonna write a book. And I was like, okay. I literally run a group counseling practice. I have 50 employees, I am so busy. I don't have time to like stop and write a book. And I told my start family, I'm not gonna write it for like three people. Like, I'm not gonna write a book. Well, I've gotta go find like, what a literary agent, I dunno how to do any of this. And they're like, but we gave you a book. And I said, okay, start family. If you want me to write a book, I'm putting in your hands. And the synchronicities that followed were like, within 10 days. My husband was like, Hey, I was like scrolling through Instagram and there's like this lady who takes you to an island and like, you just write a book in five days. And he's like, I bet you could do it. And I was like, oh yeah, it's already there. I just need space. So I go to this island, I write the book. And, then my publisher's like, oh, do you wanna be on some TV shows as a result of your book? Like, my Star family was like, it's not even out. And like, I've already filmed one TV show called Legacy Makers and I'm filming another one in June. no joke when you say yes, like, when you're like, I'll accept the assignment, the universe is like, great. Like, let me just lay it all out for you. And that's what happens. Like when, I don't know, there's like this singularity now of vision or purpose for me where it's like, okay, you all healed my heart and now you're like, you're gonna give back. And it does feel like it's connected to the shift that's happening in our planet. And it does feel like individually and globally, these conversations are gonna start to help people wake up to the reality of their power and who they are. And it's gonna create that ripple that we talked about in my podcast, right, this ripple where as you heal. We don't even know how big that ripple is, but it's gonna start activating something that everybody has forgotten. But our history is a lie. And when you start knowing yourself, you start to learn your history and you start to wake up to that and know the truth of our history because it's in our collective DNA experience. And, and when we know ourselves, we remember. And then I think we take our power back and we choose not to give it away. but it's gonna be the people who are unhealed, who feel so powerless and like such a victim of this system, they're gonna opt for that as as a solution.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:the, the thing that's come to me recently, is, there's a real acade epidemic of. Suicide in, in our Western culture and in suicide, people are just opting out. They're like, I, I don't want this experience anymore. I have a sense that merging with the AI is almost gonna be a more acceptable version of that. Just like opting out of the human experience. No judgment on, on either of those things, but it's, it's fundamentally, it's gonna come down to like personal responsibility and am I capable of manifesting the life that I want? If I don't believe that, then I'm gonna let the AI take over and I'll just, I'll just showing the swarm.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:And part of the narrative is that our biology is fundamentally flawed. Your immune system is flawed. Take this medication, your, your reproductive system is unsafe. It's unsafe to birth a baby, like. Let's, let's just cut it out of you. Like, yes, there's a time and a place for all those things, but there's a larger narrative at play, which is, as a human, you're fundamentally flawed and it's not safe to be human. And so I think we're gonna be sold this paradigm of we can make it better and we can make it safer, and we can make you more effective when that's the furthest thing from the truth.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:And I, I think that there's gonna be some very good marketing around that, and there's gonna be some good arguments for integrating with the AI and technology to a certain extent. I think a, a really important conversation that we should all be having as soon as possible is going within, like what we've been talking about and defining our boundaries like immediately. What, what am I willing to, to give to ai? What, part of my experience am I willing to relegate to ai, to, to take responsibility for? And what's the red line that AI does not come into? Like, I, I, I think we need, we need, everybody needs to know what that boundary is for themselves. And, and have that conversation with yourself. Go within yourself to seek the answer, because there's gonna be a lot of stuff, a lot of propaganda, a lot of marketing material being thrown at us, trying to sway us one way or another. And knowing what's right for you, will give you the, the result and the experience that you're, you're meant to have in a way where you're not going to or be regretful for it, or wish you had gone the other way. Like just knowing yourself and where your boundaries are and what you, what kind of life you want for yourself. What's important for you.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:And we have to look at history just within one generation. You and I are old enough that our childhoods weren't recorded, weren't like displayed all over Instagram. We didn't have the internet, when we were growing up. Like I, I used to have a much longer ability to sit down with the book and read my, my concentration, used to be longer. I've noticed shifts within myself and my attention span, as I've learned and become adaptive to scrolling through Instagram and getting quick dopamine hits. And now I see my children, I have two sons, right, who have the attention span of a gnat because they grew up with bones in their hands and they grew up with technology as a means to help them with school and, do the things that, that they didn't wanna do. Right? Like they, they were able to delegate those tasks out. and while it. Made school a little bit easier, like it comes at a detriment, and people's brains are shifting as a result, fertility's at an all time low just because of the toxins in the food, you know, and, and, and the medicine and in the water and in the sky. And so it's just, we're already seeing, fertility is low, testosterone is low. Like we're already seeing, these unintended consequences of progress that we've made. And, this is that next step. And I, in biology it's pretty basic. If you don't use it, you're gonna lose it, right? The brain's gonna prune away. Things that we get exogenously that we don't need to worry about endogenously anymore because it's so effective. And so if we're not challenging ourselves, challenging our biology and overcoming obstacles to push our biology into continuing to improve, it's going to be PR away. And we don't know what that's gonna look like. so it's a scary thought, but I wanna leave everybody with hope because we are so much more powerful. We are so much more eternal. We are so divine, and we're not what they say that we are. We're not weak, we're not helpless. We, this is just a temporary experience and it's meant to be lived and cherished. And we need to know ourselves, and we need to know that we're literally creator in a body expressing itself through this avatar as you and I, and choosing to have an experience from this particular perspective.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:Hmm.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:And when we take our power back, when we heal our trauma, because those things are so intimately connected, then we know the truth and we don't see through the lens of our wounds and through fear.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:If your star family could leave the people who are listening to this with one message, what do you think that would be beyond what you just said, which was really beautiful.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:I, you know, I just heard when you said that keep an open heart and keep an open mind,
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:Hmm.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:right? Things are gonna get worse before they're going to get better. We're gonna, we're walking into some really uncertain times, and the truth is very inconvenient. And this is the time to cultivate faith. when when things aren't consistent, when things feel really uncertain, that's the time to go within and to cultivate faith. So we have to have balance between these external chaotic realities and trying to keep our internal reality, as calm and integrated as possible.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:Mic drop. That was awesome. Thank you so much for sharing that. Much love and appreciation to your star family part of the extended star family, I suppose at this point. And yeah, to hear more about your story and to get more details the, the book that's coming out June 1st is Sacred Revolution. And this, from what I understand, is gonna dovetail into some retreats, which I, I can't wait to learn more about that. I believe that what you're doing is pivotal and your messages really comes from a place of honesty and, and vulnerability. Like this isn't necessarily easy to share. This isn't something that's going, that you're doing to, to take advantage of a certain situation. And I'm here with you. I believe in you. I, I support you and all the people out there who listened to this, who resonated with this, who feel like, they don't have a voice or they can't speak up, or they don't, have context to the, some of the experiences that they're having. If what we talked about resonated I, I know you and I are in a similar place here where. We we're gonna continue to have these conversations and and continue to shed light on, on different aspects and areas of the human condition and the expansion of consciousness. So, all the links for, for Christie's book and, anything that she has available is gonna be in the show notes below. I'll be looking forward to, to seeing you on the television. That's pretty cool.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:Yeah. Yes.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:and hearing more about from your podcast and learning from, the guests that you have on and, seeing where this, this whole thing goes.
kristy-crabtree-_1_03-13-2025_135248:Oh, Ian, thank you so much. Thank you for being like a safe space, and platform to talk about this and to share this message. And thank you for your work and just being in this fight of truth and shifting this paradigm. It's so beautiful and I appreciate it.
ian-vogel_1_03-13-2025_155248:You're most welcome. This I have a feeling is not gonna be the last time we connect and do one of these conversations. So yeah, everybody out there check out Christie's podcast the Transcendence talks and keep an eye out for part two or possibly part three and four of this, whenever those drop. So