Alternate Timelines with Ian Vogel

Hypnosis Reveals Hidden Lifetimes: The Truth Behind Past Life Regression w/ Jonathan Robinson

• Ian Vogel • Episode 4

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Join me for a fascinating conversation with Jonathan Robinson, a professional hypnotist who has guided hundreds of people through past life regression sessions. Jonathan shares how past life regression works as a universal experience that can be accessed regardless of belief systems - "like gravity, it still works even if you don't believe in it."

We explore the surprising connections between birthmarks and past life traumas, how unresolved emotions from previous incarnations affect our current relationships, and the powerful healing that occurs when accessing these hidden memories. Jonathan reveals incredible client experiences, from Atlantis journeys to discovering sacred artifacts, while explaining why this practice is similar to plant medicine in its transformative potential.

Whether you're curious about your own past lives, dealing with unexplained fears, or seeking deeper spiritual understanding, this episode offers valuable insights into how hypnotic regression can illuminate the soul's journey across multiple lifetimes.

About our Guest:
Jonathan Robinson is a certified hypnotherapist specializing in past life regression who discovered this path while seeking answers about life after death and human purpose. After studying the works of Michael Newton and Dolores Cannon, he became certified in hypnotherapy and has since facilitated hundreds of past life regression sessions.

Jonathan combines hypnosis with energy healing techniques like Reiki to help clients access their past life memories and release associated traumas. His structured yet flexible approach demonstrates how past lives can explain unexplained fears, birthmarks, and relationship patterns, offering clients profound spiritual insights and emotional healing.

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Hey, I’m Ian Vogel—host of Alternate Timelines. My journey started on a small farm in the midwest, where I always felt a little out of place. After years of skepticism and even a stint as an atheist, a near-death experience changed my perspective on everything. Since then, I’ve explored plant medicine, past life memories, and the mysteries of consciousness. Now, I’m sharing those experiences to help others navigate their own awakening. Through real stories, deep conversations, and wild explorations of the unknown, we’re building a community where it’s okay to question reality. You’re not alone in the unknown. 👽✨

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

I still remember some of my first sessions that went back to Atlantis or there were dragon Shapeshifters or they were in Lemuria or just wild places. And I'm like, whoa, this is opening up my mind more than I can handle right now. what I've found is birthmarks as far as some people goes, it's past life trauma wound inflicted death scenes that get carried over into this life. an experiment is something you can do over and over and over and get similar results. And so that's what makes past life regression so credible is because it can be done with, and it has been done with thousands, if not millions of people at this point from all different cultures, walks of life. You don't have to even believe in it for it to work. It's like gravity. If you don't believe in gravity, it still works. It's a universal law

HypeMiC & FaceTime HD Camera:

What is up, and welcome to another episode of Alternate Timelines. Today's episode was really fun. I got to speak with Jonathan Robinson, who is a professional hypnotist, and, at this point in his career, he's worked with hundreds of people doing past life regression sessions. Now, if you know me, you know that past life regression is something that's near and dear to my heart. And, all the exploration that I've done in space has mostly been on my own. So it was a real treat and a real pleasure to speak with somebody who facilitates these conversations and these sorts of transformative experiences for people on the regular, as his profession. Jonathan has a wealth of knowledge, experience, and I can tell through this conversation that he comes to this work from a place of service and genuine curiosity and a desire to help the people that he's working with. And in this episode, we touch on all sorts of topics, like what happens when the spirit leaves the body, what kind of people come to Jonathan for help, and the different questions that people have. Uh, When is it appropriate to do a past life regression meditation, and when it Perhaps, is it not appropriate? We talk about the similarities between doing past life regression sessions and plant medicine. We really dive deep in this conversation and I know you are going to love it. We touch on all kinds of topics, so let's just get into it.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

Jonathan, I've been super excited to have this conversation with you. I first found you on Instagram and the stuff you were sharing on your page really resonated with me. It's right up my alley and I've had quite a bit of experience with. Past life regression and having the opportunity to meet somebody who shares that passion, but in the way that they're, you know, you're facilitating and, and doing these past life regression meditations with people and helping people have these sorts of experiences. So, man, I've, I've really been looking forward to this. So when it comes to, what you do, the hypnotherapy and hypnosis and facilitating past life regressions with people, how, how does somebody even get into that? It's, it's, that's an enigma for me and something I am, I'm always fascinated by what, when I meet people who are doing what you do. The, because it's not a very common profession. So I, I, I'd love to learn more about how you got to where you are today.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And so at some point I was asking myself deep questions in life. What happens after we die? What's our purpose? Why are we here? And is this place real? Are like, are we in a simulation who runs the world? Just, you know, normal questions. And so one day at the health food store, I overheard someone talking about Michael Newton at the cash register and my whole body started to vibrate. Because I was asking this for a while and I was very intentional, and I feel like the universe brings you the answers at the right time. And I was so excited'cause I got home and I, I looked it up and I couldn't even sleep that night because it, I felt like I found some of the answers I was searching for. So I proceeded to read Michael Newton's books. Journey of Souls. Destiny of Souls life in Between lives. Doris Cannon's, another like OG of Past Life Regression, consumed a lot of her books. And since I'm a skeptic, I needed to know if this is real. So I got certified as a hypnotherapist and every one of my clients, I was a natural at it. And I, I love what I do. I'm passionate about it. And my clients are able to go into their past lives one after another.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

Now before you had this inclination and heard about you know what, what's the gentleman's name? Michael.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Newton.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

Michael Newton. And I've, I've actually read Journey of Souls. I should, I should remember that. Before you heard about Michael Newton, had you had any sort of personal experience or was there any sort of catalyzing experience other than just these deep questions? Was there any tangible thing that happened to you, or is it just this search for knowledge and wanting to learn more and, wanting to explore, these lesser known topics?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Well, I, I did, so after I read some of the books, I did get my own past life or PLR session on myself. And I actually thought I was making it up. I didn't know if it was real or not. And, come to find out, I did a session a while later and I saw the same images and same things that were happening. So it made, it made it all made sense afterward. And that's actually now that I do this with hundreds of people, that's pretty common where we think we're making it up our imagination at first. But then throughout the session, it'll all start to make sense as we continue and go on as these deep, vivid dreams or, or memories or, or images come to us. And for everyone it's a little bit different.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

So you said at this point you've worked with hundreds of people and I, I'm curious, do people tend to have a similar sort of experience I presume you're taking people on sort of a similar style of journey? There's a, a beginning, a middle and an end, and a, procedure. That's, that's fairly uniform. I, I would assume So. Are, are people's experiences within that framework, and, and correct me if I'm wrong, but are people's experiences within that framework somewhat similar, or are you finding that people are having vastly different experiences within that kind of somewhat set framework?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah, so it, you're right, it's like a framework or structure and. Like an experiment is something you can do over and over and over and get similar results. And so that's what makes past life regression so credible is because it can be done with, and it has been done with thousands, if not millions of people at this point from all different cultures, walks of life. You don't have to even believe in it for it to work. It's like gravity. If you don't believe in gravity, it still works. It's, you know, it's a universal law so it can be done. And all it is is a guided meditation basically. So we guide you into a deeper state of relaxation by guiding the breath, the body, and the mind into a very deep relaxation. And by asking the right questions, we can access the past life memories. So for each individual, your past lives will be different than Susie's and Thomas's and whoever else's. So your experience will be different, and that's why I love it because. I never know what, what's gonna happen. It's so different. It's like improv every time. And or I hold space and, and I'm there. But the, it's like an experiment'cause it can be done over and over and over and people can, can get the results that they want, that they're looking for and are expected.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

And, and when it comes to different results that people are looking for. What would you say are some of the most common reasons somebody will come to you to do a past life regression session?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

So a lot of times it's for spiritual growth, curiosity karmic relationships, souls contracts, soulmates. A lot of fears and phobias come from past life. Trauma birthmarks I found are from past lives, believe it or not, and I. Relieving trauma. So just like trauma can be carried from childhood to adulthood sometimes trauma can be left in a past life. And it affects us currently. So our, our subconscious holds onto that'cause it's trying to protect us from getting hurt again. And until we find out the lesson release that it could be affecting someone currently.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

I, I can attest to that directly myself since the time I was little, I was knowing things that I shouldn't have known and having experiences that I had no context to. It was happening my whole life, and I, I didn't understand what was happening, why. I always felt different and like, like there was something wrong with me, quite frankly. I was getting emotionally triggered at situations that from the outside would not. Would not there, there should be no, no reason for me to start to feel scared going into a, a building that I've never been in before. That's is just a regular building where I go in and I, and I feel scared or I meet somebody from my family for the first time, like a long lost relative and I just like them a lot and, and I wanna be, I wanna be close to them and I wanna like, hug them and, be affectionate with them in a way where it's like, it, it didn't really make sense. And so I think, man, I, I believe that most people are carrying around unresolved emotional traumas and, and baggage from past life experiences that they're simply unaware of, that are affecting their, their everyday life. And they, it's just so, so normal for them that there's no way to recognize that, that the, those emotional triggers or those emotional charges in different situations that there's something that you're hanging onto from a past life. Because for most people, those memories have been, or like on the other side of the veil, they've been forgotten. there's so many different avenues, but like going to the birthmark thing, can you, can you expound on that a little bit more or give some, some examples of, of, how that's shown up in your practice with your clients?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Sure. And, and thank you for sharing your, story. And if more people would share that, you know, maybe we would help people not feel so alone. Because you aren't alone. There's a lot of children that experience their past lives because children operate in the theta frequency, the frequency of hypnosis all the time. So from zero to eight, they're always in theta. That's why children can remember past lives. They can learn different languages very quickly. They're basically being programmed for adolescents than adulthood. The brain develop, it takes about 25 years for our brain to fully develop. So in those early years, it's really important to be kind to children, to be uplifting, joyful you know, positive instead of negative, because they don't have a shield up to protect themselves. Jim Tucker outta the University of Virginia has two books and he is interviewed thousands of parents and children on past, live on children's past lives. They're really credible stories and incredible stories. So, yeah, you're not alone. As far as birthmarks, I've had several birth people come to me with birthmarks, and if you have a birthmark let me know and we'll investigate it. But yeah, birthmarks are, you know, science has no real answer for why people have these birthmarks there. You know, there's epigenetics, which, you know, ancestral trauma can be passed, you know, to one another, but there really is no good answer. But what I've found is birthmarks are for as far as some people goes, it's past life trauma wound inflicted death scenes that get carried over into this life. So I had someone with a birthmark. On their leg. They were stabbed. They were impaled when they fell down a mountain and they died from the, IM Impale. After they pulled the stick out, no one was around to save'em. They died. I had someone who had a birthmark on their shoulder. They were jumping across the river and trying to impress a girl. Native Indian fell in the river and went over a waterfall, and their shoulder got broken. They weren't able to draw a bow. They weren't able to, you know, there were one with their body. They weren't able to like hunt anymore, and that really took a toll on them. And so that birthmark carried over as well as a lot of aches and pains. And after the session though, he said the aches and pains went away. The birthmark was still there, but that's what, and so everyone, a lot of people I like, it's almost like I'm a investigator, like a time traveling investigator. Like, what, what happened? But it's, it's really fun and it's, it's very healing and beneficial for the client.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

So you're saying that the individual who had the, the birth mark on their shoulder from that injury, being able to go back and re-access it and witness the, the actual event that happened that was able to alleviate some of the, you know, some discomfort that they might have in their, current life experience today.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah. Yeah, it is. And you know, it's, it's tied to an emotional thing as well because it wasn't just like the injury, it was the fact that he wasn't able to use his body anymore. He lost the girl that he was, he liked, there was a lot of like emotions there and really, he didn't hurt his shoulder in this life, so he had no reason for it to be not functioning properly. So, after we found that out, I also do reiki and I know several techniques to alleviate the. Trauma and things like that. So during the session, that's part of it is, or leaving using energy work to alleviate that emotion.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

I can see how that might be a potent combination using energy work in concert with you, dealing with whatever trauma comes up for the person and, having tools. I think it would be really important to have modalities and tools kind of in your tool belt, so to speak, that you can lean on in addition to the. Past life regression part. If something comes up, you kinda have to have some way to, to manage it. Or at least help that person progress through whatever's come up. So like, in addition to the, the birthmarks, and oddly, oddly enough, I have a birthmark that's about an inch and a half long by about a quarter of an inch wide, right behind on, on the left side of my body, the middle of my, the upper left side of my body, right behind my heart. And it, it was a stab wound. It

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Be, yeah. Be you meant be be, because when we first spoke, you mentioned you, you have a lot of experience with your past lives, huh? Okay.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

Yeah. Yeah. And I, I've done a lot of exploration, I've got a couple of birthmarks, one of'em, I don't know, I haven't really explored that, but the one, the one that's right behind my heart on my back, I did explore that one because it was, it seemed like there might be something there and, and it was, yeah, it wasn't a pretty scene. And, and I'm glad I had the opportunity to go back there and, see it for what it was because there was some unresolved emotion with that and, and being able to look at it. And when you're doing a past life regression, you're almost looking at it from the third person. You, you're

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yes. You're an

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

often, there's a, a, state of dissociation to, to a certain degree. So you're not like, you are not feeling what is exactly happening. you're observing yourself, as you said, in more of a third person point of view. So you can still gather the information without having to experience the pain or the trauma and. and. when it comes to, to pain and trauma, I'm sure you know, doing what you do, you, you've seen many people who, have had some gnarly stuff come up. In regards to those additional tools that are in your tool belt what else do you do to help people progress through and come to terms with some of the things that they learned in their past life? Regression meditations.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yes. So, you know, that's a really good point. I was just thinking about this too. I mean, I, I really think that anyone can do this. It's not, you don't have to be a special type of person. I think anyone can access your own pasts. In fact, I sometimes you, you don't, people don't even need a guide, but just like having a guide walking you up a mountain for the first time, it's safer. They know the rate, the way to go. They know the, the territory, right? Sometimes it's better to have a guide because they can guide you in case something unexpected happens. And they can also help you alleviate those traumas, those energies, those karmic, you know, things that could be scary. It's, and I always tell people this, and some people are afraid because I. Human nature, we fear the unknown. It's just human nature.'cause that's just what we do.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

I can attest to the helpfulness of having a guide, I. When I first started exploring my past lives, I was doing it on my own and I just, for whatever reason, I just have a natural proclivity and ability to, to access that space with a little bit more ease. But that doesn't, that didn't necessarily produce positive results from me. I was doing it way too often. I was having these emotional things come up that I didn't have any context to, and I, I didn't have any support in helping to alleviate that. And, and ultimately I got to a point of emotional instability because, for example, really, the last time I did a, a past life regression meditation on my own was in my car, on my lunch break at work. And, the past life that came up in that experience was traumatic and there was a, a heavy emotional charge to it. And I'm sitting in my car and I have to go back to work after an hour, and I'm like, what am I even doing? I don't want to go to work. I just had this heavy experience and at that moment I was like, I, I'm done with this. And for a long time I never touched it again because I, I didn't know how to manage it myself and I didn't know how to, to deal with some of that emotionally heavy stuff that can come up. So, to your point, I 100% agree that having somebody there who's got experience, who can lead you through not only the process, but whatever comes up and can give you pointers and, and be there to support you afterwards because in my experience. There are very few times where nothing comes up that has an emotional charge. There's almost always a, a need for some sort of integration afterwards and, context and, and figuring out how do I make sense of what just happened and utilize that in my life. I know integration is something that you are, you're big on and is a big part of your working with people. And, I'd, I'd just like you to speak a little bit on, on integration and, and what the process after the process looks like for people quite often.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah. And I believe that happened'cause you've, been exploring your past lives for many, many times. I think you mentioned. And so what happens is your subconscious is guiding us. The higher self and subconscious are much more brilliant than us. And it knows what to show you and what not to show you. It knows what is gonna be most beneficial for you. So if it's something that's challenging it'll make sure to. It'll make sure to do it in a way that it won't leave you, you know, feeling scared or something like that. And that gives people a lot of relief, but it will bring up things that you need to address to benefit you most. So if you do this several times, it might bring up a, a scene that's a little bit more challenging than maybe the first session. And usually I ask questions that help it go to scenes that will benefit you the most, most relevant most exciting, inspirational, whatever it may be. If someone has a challenging scene come up, we do some releasing that I've been doing for many, many times a long time now. So, inner child work, whether it be energy releasing the book. What's that book that all psychologists have to read? This book, it's called Emo the body keeps score and so emotion gets trapped in the body until it gets released, and that's what we do. We help it get released so you can start fresh and it doesn't hold you back anymore. So to integrate it afterward, it's much like the plant medicine that you have a lot of experience with, I believe some psychedelic medicine. So you integrate it, it changes the neuro pathways in your brain, so you operate differently, hopefully, and almost always more. Happily joyfully. You focus on what you love instead of what you dwelling on, what you don't like, and you lead a life of more clarity as far as like your purpose. So usually it's, it's, the integration is very subtle but it, it takes place. You just gravitate like a magnet toward things that you wanna do more.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

Nice. And you, you mentioned one of the reasons that people come to you often is in regards to questions around relationship and different relationships in their life. I'd like to learn more about that and, you know, can you share some experiences that you've had with your clients around realizations they may have had or about people in their life, or, maybe they had a, you know, an intuition about somebody or what have you seen where people have gotten clarity from doing past life regressions, specifically around relationships. I.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Well, yeah. Relationships are a huge part of our life, especially like our soulmate and, intimate relationships as well as mother and father daughters and sons and even pets can have souls that transfer rubber. I, I figured out. So the. A lot of times what what happens is we have our essence of who we are transfers over from body to body. So if you're funny, your, your character, the person that your, your personality will transfer from body to body. And you mentioned earlier like, oh, I just met this person, but they feel like I feel so comfortable around them and I just feel like I know them and I can trust them right away. That might be someone that's in your spirit group and our spirit group beyond the veil is a group of 10 to 20 like vibrating souls that vibrate a similar frequency that choose to incarnate with each other on these different life journeys and adventures to teach each other lessons. And sometimes we. Incarnate and we're soulmates and you know, we love each other and we're the best. And maybe the next life we'll switch places. So they'll be the female and they'll be the male or vice versa to learn different lessons. I had this one person, he kept incarnating with his friend that kept killing him in battle. They would just keep killing each other in battle, different battles and like getting back at each other. And now in this life, the other guy was the boss and he was like the, the other, he was the boss and they kept getting in arguments until they re resolved it. And, you know, kind of cleared that. You know, balance that negativity out, I guess you'd say. So we can, often times I ask them, you know, does this person resemble look around you? Is there anyone that on the dinner table or is anyone at this celebration that you really connect with? And they'll find someone, and I'll ask'em, well, who, who in your current life do they represent? Who do they seem like to you? And oftentimes they'll say, oh, this is my friend Cherise, or this is my friend, this is my husband, you know, whatever it may be. So energy, you know, when we do these scenes, it's like, it's, it's not exactly like IMAX movie, but it's, like we're getting the scenes like a dream or a daydream, or a feeling or a knowing. So we just know that this is the person.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

When people are able to go back and see, you know, their, their current relationships in a different context. Like, how does that affect their current relationship? Like is is being able to see different scenarios where you've interacted with an individual in different ways, does that give somebody more compassion or does it allow them to look at the, the person that's in question differently?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah. Yeah, it does. For example, I had just had a, a recent session and someone was in a, a kind of a abusive relationship in their past life, and they weren't able to speak their truth or they would never stand up for themselves. And they realized that in this life, they kept on picking. They were a female in this life and they kept on picking male that would oppress them and do the same thing, and it was like a pattern of theirs. And they realized that finally they found someone that was really nice to them and compatible and wasn't like that. And, but she didn't know why she kept pushing him away, but she realized that she wasn't speaking her truth. She wasn't standing up for herself. And the universe will continue to test you until you pass the test. And so finally she realized it pass the test and she's happy with this new person that she's with.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

Cool. I, I love that. And, in thinking about that, our lives are very complex and there's a lot going on. We have a lot of, you know, many relationships, a lot of different things going on as far as career and, and this and that. Like realistically and reasonably, how much can somebody expect to get from a single session? And do you recommend doing multiple sessions? I, I'm thinking of this in the, like, in a similar context as to like plant medicine because, one journey is great, you can get a lot out of one journey. But if you do cons three consecutive nights in a row or you know, multiple sessions in a given period of time, quite often what you're able to get from doing multiple sessions is going to be much more. And you're able to ingest or receive that energy or the, the information at a, a little bit slower pace. So it's a little bit easier to integrate'cause you're getting, somewhat smaller bite-sized chunks. But all in all, when the whole thing is done, you've gotten a significant amount of really meaningful in information.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. I oftentimes do either one session or three session packages. And so the first session with the three sessions will be basically clearing either trauma from this life or whatever they wanna work on currently. And then by the second session, we typically do a past life session, and then we spread'em out about a week apart. And then the third one is reinforcing the first two sessions and doing another past life session or whatever they want to focus on. But it. It depends on the person where they're at. I find it really beneficial to do three sessions, especially if there's some heavy stuff that they wanna work on. And yeah, you know, comparing it to CL medicine is actually really similar'cause it does a lot of the si similar effects. I think both are helpful. They're both just tools. All these modalities guys are just tools like that you should have or try in your toolbox that maybe hypnosis is right for you now, but plant medicine might be right for you later on. It just depends.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

Yeah. I think, I think you're spot on there. There's no right or wrong. There's no either or. Each modality is gonna resonate with people differently, as you said, at different points in their lives. And each modality is gonna. Do something a little bit different for people, you know, and I've been, I've been thinking about it and with as much as I've gotten from doing past life regression meditations for myself and with my ex extensive experience with different forms of plant medicine, quite often implant medicine ceremonies and working with plant medicines, past life stuff comes up anyway. So, you know, just thinking about it, it's like, man, I, I really believe that if, if more people understood how impactful doing past life regression meditations were, especially with somebody who's a skills facilitator, and if people understood how much they could really get out of a past life regression meditation, that, you know, if you're thinking like bang for your buck and like an ayahuasca retreat, like, I, I love ayahuasca. It's such a, a beautiful healing medicine. And it's a real commitment. In the, the preparation and it's a very purgative sort of medicine. You have to travel for it. There's legal considerations that you need to think about. there's a lot that goes into that and you are accessible via zoom. You, you can take somebody into often a lot of the same places that they would go in a plant medicine ceremony in, in a very comfortable setting and with expert guidance and still being able to help them with integration on the backend. And again, I'm, I've been considering this for a while now, and I think if people really understood how much they could get out of the kind of work that you do, especially in like comparing with, plant medicine, that, people would be more More open to, to, working with, you and, and different people who are facilitating these kind of ceremonies or doing this kind of work. So I, I'm curious as to, to your thoughts around that.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah. A lot of people come to me from psychics and their ceremonies because past life stuff comes up and so psychics send a lot of people to me, actually. You know, I've, I've done this in person and I online, and after the first minute, your eyes are closed anyway, so as long as you can hear my voice, it's like I'm right there. So, you know, energy work. On Earth, we're not that far apart compared to the whole universe. So we know it's, you know, it works even if we're a thousand miles away. But really it, you know, I send people a guided recording beforehand as long as they listen to that, follow my instructions and are intentional. It's seems to work with pretty much everyone I've done this with. And it only takes really one session. We usually go to three past lives and it's about two to two and a half hours. I record the session, they get to that to review afterwards so they can be in the moment during the session. We do some energy work while we're there in case anything challenging comes up. And a lot of times, you know, people feel so relieved and transformed and, and focused afterward. And it's very rewarding for what I do, and it seems like when I'm struggling with something in life I'll get a client who's having the same issue, so I can see it like a mirror reflected and it's like, wow, how does this happen? How does the universe know to do this right now at the right time?

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

So, are there any people that you won't work with? I, I believe that everybody has past lives. It's in their unconscious and there's part of their spirit. Some people seem to have more access to it or be able to access those realms a little bit, a a little bit easier, but, are there any people that you choose not to work with and, and why? Or, or are there any people or group of people that you would not recommend going through this sort of a process?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

I like to meet everyone where they're at. It, a lot of my clients are actually really pretty spirit. They find me from Instagram, so they're, you know, I've had a lot of like other practitioners and facilitators that even come to me, so they've already kind of know, know what it is. It's nice if you have some background in it, like read some of the books about past lives, but I try to meet everyone where they're at. Even if you haven't done meditation or hypnosis before, it'll still work. And, and we can still do, do a session So someone who would be hard, harder to work with, and maybe I wouldn't, is if someone has extreme grief, like a loved one just passed away, that's like really tough. That takes time. And also if they're like bipolar or schizophrenic, if they already have multiple personalities, I don't wanna bring'em into another life with personalities. I think you get confused about. So yeah, that, but really it's, it's, it's a very gentle process and it works universally. So I've been through a lot of different situations. So it's pretty universal.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

Yeah. And, and that makes total sense. And again, there's a, a strong correlation and overlap with plant medicine there.'cause it's a very similar sort of a thing. People can do it and you wanna meet people where they're at. And generally speaking, working with people who have, who've been clinically diagnosed with schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder or any sort of psychiatric diagnosis is, generally, generally not advised for exactly the reason that you said there. So you've been doing this for a while, so since you started, how have things evolved for you? So like, how do you look at this work now compared to how you looked at it in the very beginning?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Well, since the very beginning it's been successful and worked, and it's almost like a performance when I'm there with them, I'm holding space and I'm, I'm, I'm really guiding'em through and my voice fluctuates to make sure I'm, I'm always a hundred percent, I always give 150% to every client.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

I was gonna say, it's, it's gotta be, it's gotta be that voice. That voice just carries them all the way through.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

so, and I've had some really ama, I still remember some of my first sessions that were just went back to Atlantis or there were. Dragon Shapeshifters or they were in Lemuria or just wild places. And I'm like, whoa, this is opening up my mind more than I can handle right now. But really what I've realized and what's changed is it doesn't matter how elaborate the adventure is. What matters is the healing they get from it. So they don't need to go on to a cool life that they were the emperor of Egypt for it to be fun for me or, or them. It, what's fun and what is most meaningful is if they release the emotion or release the pain that they need to get rid of and they find themselves empowered.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

And now that you've had so many sessions with people, are there any one or two that stand out in particular? Like, wow, that's, that is really unexpected. my guess is that at this point you probably don't get surprised very easily'cause just because you've had so many experiences with it. But like, are there any, any key. Regressions that you've done with people that, that you're like, oh my gosh, like that's, that is something else.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah, that's a great question. I get. Every session I get, I like, I think they're all special and unique and it's every session I'm, I'm like, wow, I never expected this or that. And but how they, how people interpret it as such a spectrum though, because some people, it's like a knowing and a feeling. Other people, they're seeing like this movie play out in front of'em, like they're dreaming and I get glimpses. I wouldn't say I'm in, you know, a psychic or intuitive, but I do get glimpses when I'm, when I'm guiding people and stuff like that. So this one session I had a while back was this, with this young lady who's very spiritual. She went into a life as a male and I call this one the Assassin's Creed.'cause it reminded me of that video game or movie. And she was on this journey to hunt for this amulet. I. It, I don't think it was the arc of the covenant, I think it was more like the holy grail or, or something like that. But what hap what was happening at the time was there was these armies that were all searching for this special amulet that was what she called it. And she was like, this hunter or assassin that was along with them. And she was ahead of them. And I said, are you, aren't you worried that the, the armies are gonna find it before you? And she's like, no, I know the territory better. I'm more trained. I, I have all these skills that they don't have. And she's like, looking at the army in a tree at nighttime, scouting out where they're going and what they're doing. And she's like, sneaking around along the riverside in the canyon trying to get in front of'em and get to the treasure before they are. So it's like this treasure hunt that, it's like this movie basically plot. And so I go, all right. Is, it's a be so it's nighttime out. What do you do next? And she's like, she looks into the sky and I see a shooting star and it guides me to where I need to go. And she goes to this house and this person, she meets this person in this house by seeing a shooting star. And she meets this person. They give her food and supplies and help her on her way on this long, long journey. That's, you know, she's on foot'cause it's a thousand years ago or more, I don't know. And so she, she gets the supplies and she climbs up this mountain into this cave and finds this amulet. And when she holds it, her whole body started vibrating. And she was like, feeling all of these wonderful feelings, all these wonderful ev It would basically amplify any feeling that the person had that was holding it by a thousand. it would amplify it out into the surrounding area. Like your heart has a like a. Electromagnetic field. That's what was happening. So she was holding it and it was like, really powerful. And she's like, I'm like, oh, great. You have it. What are you gonna do with it? She's like, well, right now, humanity's not ready for this. They're not ready. They would use it for bad, they would use it for evil. The person that found it would finally get it, and they would do good things with it. And I said, okay, what are you gonna do with it? She said, I'm gonna, I'm gonna hide it. And so she took it, she put it in a, in a basket or in, in a cloth, and took it, and she climbed up. She got outta there. The army didn't find her. She went into another cave system that was miles and miles away and hid it in a cave. And then I said, how are you gonna find it? She's like, I, I made a map. So she made a map, and this map, she said she made. I said, okay, you made a map. Where'd you put the map?'cause I wanted to find this thing, right? And so she put this map and to access the map, you need to go through a portal. And I said, how do you get through the portal? She's like, you have to vibrate at the right frequency, so, okay, so it's safe. She's like, yeah. I said, are humans ready for this amulet now? And she's like, yes, we are ready. So it's safe to find it. She's like, yes, we could. It's still there. And that, that was, that was kind of, the rest of that was kind of the a, you know, the plot of the session. And it was very memorable.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

It's quite a, yeah, quite a story and wow. I am sure you have a, a lot of stories to tell. I think of it as the infinite onion. Like there are so many layers and each one of them may not be Assassin's Creed.'cause I, I know I've certainly accessed past life memories where I was like a, a bread maker and that's all I did. And it wasn't glamorous, but there was emotion there. I had family and there, there was certainly, I believe a reason that I had to go back to being that little old lady bread maker in Italy. It was just, you know, like you said earlier, I, I trust that if something comes up that there's a reason for me to see it. And that was one of the reasons why I stopped doing as many pest life regression meditations as I had at one point. I was, doing them a lot. I, I finally got to the point where it's like why am I even doing this? I'm getting information, but it, it doesn't necessarily have a bearing on my life right now. So I just kind of. Came to the point where it's where I said, I trust that the universe is gonna provide me, you know, when the timing is right. And if I need to learn something and I need to access something to release it or whatever, I trust that the universe will let me know and bring me to where I need to go and facilitate that experience. I don't necessarily have to keep going after it and digging and digging and digging. So I'm wondering with people who work with you and, maybe even a skeptic or somebody who doesn't this is a very eye-opening experience for them and something that's way out of their comfort zone. Do people who have these experiences with you are, are they opened up in a sense? Does it get easier for them to. Have these experiences later on, or do they start to have them spontaneously? Or do they find that they, that in some, one way or another, that it can unlock certain abilities or, skills that they might have.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah, definitely unlocking hidden talents is one for sure.'cause we've lived hundreds if not thousands of lifetimes and we've learned and honed in on some of these skills and we, carry those to lifetimes that maybe we're a natural at a psychic or reiki or one of these skills or just being a good parent, you know, is important. So there's a lot of life lifetimes that people are, they're on a mission and they're on the, these missions all the time and they don't have time for family. And that's why they go to a lifetime where they were just at a family and they were a mundane farmer and. The family was the most important thing to them that lifetime. So we need balance. it, it, it just depends. But I do see that if you've had glimpses or deja vu or remembered your past lives, at some point we can dive deeper into them with a session. So even people that can access them or like are somewhat psychic can come to me and we get more like, we're more productive, I guess you'd say. Sometimes they can go off into the la la land and kind of veer off, but with a session. We'll, we'll stay on course and I'll guide you to the right scenes that are most beneficial for you so we can dive deeper into these dreams or glimpses that you've had.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

I think that's a really good point, and I'd never considered that and I hadn't really thought of it that way, but in my personal experience, sometimes I'll get little flashes here and there if something's happening. And I've been experiencing my, experiencing it my whole life. And now I recognize when I'm having an emotion that doesn't seem to fit the context of my life, I'm like, okay, is this coming from right now? Or something that's still not resolved from a past life? For example, I've been listening to the telepathy tapes. Are you aware of that podcast?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Oh, I don't think so.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

the, the premise of it is basically this woman discovers that non-speaking autistics. They have spiritual skills and a lot of them have telepathic abilities, and people presume that there's nobody in there because their bodies aren't working. But there is a, like a very competent, very intelligent person on the inside that has no control over their body. And people are starting to learn these different ways to communicate with them and basically unlock their ability for these really incredible, brilliant people to express themselves. Usually, usually like, like well into their teen years,

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

It makes a lot of sense because in, in my work in, well, Dolores Cannon talks about how souls you think soul. A lot of us think that, oh, I want a beautiful body and I wanna be rich, but actually souls line up for disabled bodies, autistic they line up for dis because you can clear more karma. And so they're realizing that these level five level, like really high level souls are incarnated into these bodies and you see, see them and they're always happy, right? The the mentally challenged they're so happy. I wish I was that happy sometimes. Right? And they're high level souls. That's why they're clearing their car. A lot of karma that way.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

Yeah, and this podcast has been blowing my mind, and I highly recommend anybody who's, who's interested. I can't think of a more impactful podcast or movie or piece of media that I've, or book that I've consumed and interacted with in a long time. And throughout this podcast, She's, you know, relaying some of the experiences of these nons speakers and what it's like to not be understood or to be presumed that you're not competent. And I've been experiencing just recently as I'm listening to it, this, this intense upwelling of emotion. And I've, I've had these experiences before enough to know that, oh man, I, I have to believe that there's something there. Like in, in a past life, I think I was, in that sort of a state trapped in a body where I couldn't, where everybody thought that there was nobody home. But I was just in there by myself and. I like just about every episode, I, I well up with tears and there's, I don't know how else to explain it. And there's no context. I'm doing the dishes, trying not to cry when I'm hearing this woman talk about, these nons speakers and their experience, and it just resonates on such a deep level that, I just know that there's something there and I'm not consciously aware of it coming full circle with what I was saying, like, working with you and like your ability to be focused in your approach and ask the right questions to get results for people and to find some sort of resolution. Like I, I'm thinking I might need to have a session with you sometime soon, because while, yeah, I, I recognize that, this probably has something to do with the past life. I haven't been able to necessarily. Bring myself through a, process that allows me to, get the understanding and learn something from it. To what you said, yeah. Having somebody there to, even if you are somebody who can access past lives, and that doesn't necessarily mean that you're getting everything you possibly could or learning the lessons that are there and having some support and having a guy there to help you is probably gonna be invaluable and, and help you to really get the most out of it even if you can't access those spaces.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah. I dive into it. I use my intuition to guide us to meaningful moments and scenes and, yeah.'cause since I've done this so many times, I, you know, just by my experience, I know where, what would be most beneficial most of the time. And then I, beyond that, I, I use my improv or intuition to go other places, like the lady who followed the star to see the, find the person who, who did you know, she met someone. Another note on that also is when we go into our past experiences, I. We might think, like if we're a child, we might think like a child, if we're really negative, we might have some of that negative essence come over us during the session. So you might be tapping into that mentally challenged part of you. So the thoughts won't be as clear at some point. Right. Is that maybe what's happening? I don't.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

As you're saying that, that's resonating. That's really resonating because I'm,'cause I'm, I'm not getting any. Any images or like, I, I'm not getting any sort of clues that I would normally get any more information. It's just a really strong emotion and almost as if, I don't have language developed or that faculty of being able to, maybe I was blind or something. Maybe, maybe I didn't have the ability to visualize things and I was more focused on, on my feelings and my emotions were more pronounced. That, as you say, that, like that makes sense as to why it's, got an unu usually intense emotional bend to it and feel when those things come up I hadn't considered that.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah, sometimes we tap into that, the feeling or, or that what we would feel like if we were that young child, we wouldn't be able to use all our words or describe things. We would be more emotional. I had someone who was who was a really, there, there were like an emperor, a bad emperor or a bad, you know, they led their troops into like a death and they all died and they were still like very shameful or guilt from it. And they could, that would come out during the session. They were just so sad about it. And they were dishonored because it was in the east and that they just, their tone of voice shifted. And so that, yeah, that comes out. And speaking of tone of voice, a lot of times people's voices will change, like their tone of voice will change completely. Especially, I've had this happen every now and then where collective consciousness talks through the person, especially if I ask to speak to their higher selves. Because after, you know, 3D we're in 3D. Once we go to five D after five D, it's like all collective consciousness. We can't hide anything anymore. And then we have access to like the internet basically. We're all, imagine your mind is like a computer right now and it's not connected. And then. We're gonna be connected eventually, and we'll have access to the AI or all the information. So this collective consciousness is, is very common. After we evolve. So it'll come through and they'll say, we are the collect, what's your name? They're like, we don't have a name. We are the collective. We are many. And I'm like, whoa, okay. Tell, tell me more. But the voice has completely shifted to a different tone. And, and you can tell it's, it's different. So then I can ask, ask a questions extremely fast, and it'll just answer right away and just gimme all this knowledge. That's really fascinating when that happens during a session.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

that reminds me of the the raw material and Law of one, what he would call a social memory complex. Exactly what you described, like a merging of all memories for a certain group of people that's okay. All knowing and has access to a vast amount of information that, is one individual wouldn't necessar necessarily have, but they're kind of tethered to, or that's what you would call like the higher octaves of the higher self. That is really fascinating when, like, I've never experienced that personally, but I, I can only imagine when something like that happens, you're like, oh, here we go. Like, let, I've got some questions lined up. Let's see what's going on.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah. Yeah. And so anyone who's listening who hasn't heard of the law of one is. RA law of one is really important. Channeling session. That was like in the seventies, right? And it, they channeled this collective energy and got a vast amount of data. And what is so cool about what we do here is it all correlates. The plant medicine correlates with past lives, children's past lives, near death. Experiences report similar things happening beyond the veil book, ancient books by gurus, yo yoga, ndis, autobiography of a Yogi. All kinds of things correlate. So it's not just one thing that we're talking about here, but if you actually investigate and spend hours and really intentional about this can find that there's so much out there. It's, and it all correlates, so it makes it more valid.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

yeah, yeah. Like Walter Russell, there's so many people have written on different aspects of the same thing. they're looking at the same sort of phenomena, the same sort of, you know. Phenomenon consciousness that we experience, but different people, different lineages, they express it and they've, you know, they look at it and have a different perspective on it. But often, as you said, there's a lot of correlation. There's a lot of overlap and a lot of similarities in these mystical and esoteric and metaphysical another thing that I'm really curious about is, I know in a lot of the, the books where they explore past lives many lives, many masters journey of souls, they talk about the time in between lives. I find that in incredibly fascinating. So I, I'd love to hear your, from your personal experience, what your beliefs are and you know what people are telling you about the time before and after a life.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah, think that's a deep question. I'd like to get your theories on that too. I mostly do go to past lives. However, I've gone in between lives several times and what I've experienced is after, almost always after we drop the body or we leave the body, the death scene, they imagine they're floating up'cause I guess the ground's below them. So they float up, they can see themselves, right? They're almost always met by their spirit guides. And or close family member from that lifetime, aunt, uncle, father, grandpa, something like that. And sometimes it's like a shocking, like if you jump in cold water, you'll be like, whoa, what just happened? And that would be more like a murder or a death unexpectedly. That would be more of like a ghost would have that emotion. And so that's what ghosts are. If they're emotional, they don't know what happened. And they're so emotional, they don't wanna leave yet.'cause we have free will. We don't have to go up, but it's for our highest good to.'cause then I'll explain what happens next, but that's what, so ghosts can haunt the place. Ghosts are normally people that have incarnated, that have died unexpectedly and like murder.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

I, I think a, a lot of times they don't realize that they're dead.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah. They don't,

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

either it's so sudden or they just weren't expecting it at all and they don't realize that they're not in their physical body anymore.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yep. Yep. And they're, they're saying it, they're, it's not fair, or, or if they do, it's emotional and it's not fair and they don't wanna leave right away. How could this happen to me? Things like that. So with, with the clearings.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

they're looking for something or something's unresolved that they have to do yet, so they're like, they're trying to, they're trying to complete whatever they're trying to do here. Yeah. absolutely.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah. So with clearings you can talk to them intentionally with reiki or with intentionally. so anyway that you're met. And you're given a choice to go up and so what happens after, from my experiences. We meet with our spirit guide and or a close relative from that life. Someone who we, we would recognize and know and make us feel good. Advanced souls just shoot right up. They shoot right up. And I'm describing this like a place, but there isn't like a actual physical place. It's more like a different dimension. And then we go to a place of healing for, from earth trauma. There's a lot of trauma we get here on Earth. So we gotta alleviate ourselves and heal from our earth trauma. And that could take a while. After that, we meet with our spirit group, our group, I mentioned earlier, like-minded souls, but 10 to 12 souls that meet up in the spirit realm and, and work on different things. We can go to the Akashic records and do more research and look up things and. Prepare, you know, work on things that we might need to do and for the next incarnations then we get ready to incarnate again. And so to get ready to incarnate again, we meet with our council. And I actually forgot one thing. We do meet with our council to do a life audit. So we kind of critique our life. We experience if we were mean to someone, we experience us being mean to them in their shoes. So that's where karma comes into play. Where we should be n treat each other like they're ourselves in reverse situation. We should be nice to each other'cause we're going to experience how we treated that person eventually. And even animals. So it's so. You know, that's, that's karma. So we should be, you know, we critique ourselves and we meet with our council, see how we did? There's no purgatory. There's no hell from my experience at least. But we are our own biggest critic. And so then we'll get ready for our next incarnation, which we meet with our council again, and they'll give us a choice, kind of a say in you know, what are, what your sole contract, what challenges do you wanna face? And what bodies would give you the best opportunity to learn those lessons? So maybe we pick between three to five options. So it could be this person, this woman in Italy, and learn the violin. Or I could be in Florida and this man and I could be, you know, work out a lot or I could do this or that, depending on what we wanna do next time. And finally we do pick some someone and. We incarnate, we get ready to incarnate again, and we come into the body. And this is a question I've always asked is, when does the soul enter the body and when does the soul enter the body? From my experience, it's between the sixth and eighth month. You know, we leave every night when we sleep. So the bo it's, they say that we would get bored if we were just there for so long. So we enter the body between that time to get used to the body, that baby body, the neuro pathways we can enter early, especially to learn different lessons if the baby doesn't make it or something like that to comfort the mother. But then we enter the body and go from there. It's not set in stone. I have some experience. I know it's, it could be some completely different, so I'm not saying this is exact, but from a lot of different clients. That's kind of what I gathered.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

I mean, from my personal experience, you hit all the milestones, all the things that happen and you know when you're in that space. You when you're in the, in, in the next higher octave. When you're in, the space between lives in that place and in that realm, like time doesn't exist there. So, what you just experienced in earth terms can seem almost in instantaneous, but because you're there, like you, you're, there's not linear time there. So it, it, it's, it's just a different perception of of the passing of time because it, it doesn't really exist in that realm. And, it's really comforting and being able to reconnect with people that passed away during your life that were meaningful to you. And, being able to have people who are I. Who are looking after your life and helping you, like what you would call spirit guides or, you know, we're often associate or often called spirit guides or spirit team, they're not pulling your strings like a marionette, but my interpretation of it is that they're kind of whispering in your ear from time to time. Like, Hey, don't forget to do that. Like, hey, remember, remember this thing you were, you're supposed to go talk to that person and meet that person, or it's time to quit this job. Or it's time to leave this relationship because remember, like you still got other things to do and there is free will involved. we do have free will and there is a, blueprint or a, a sort of pathway or a set of objectives that we come into this life with that we ourselves choose. You might not choose exactly how we enter into each situation or all the circumstances around them or. Like the exact timeframes at which they happen in our lives, because again, we do have free will. But, but yeah, we, we are entirely responsible for the major circumstances in our lives. And I think if more people understood that, like it, it's really empowering. It's like you can look at your life and say, no, I chose this. I chose all of the challenges that I'm experiencing, like the major challenges that I'm experiencing. I've chosen all my skills and abilities, all the things that I am that I feel like I'm good at. I chose that. And the things that I am that may be more challenging, those are opportunities. These are areas where if I improve here, I'm going to be able to ascend and, be more a greater help to humanity and, fulfill my purpose in a greater way. Looking at it from that aspect, a a couple of things for me that have changed my life is like the fear of death and for my, not only myself, but for the people around me. I recognize people in my life. It's like, oh yeah, we, we were together in a past life and we're gonna continue to be together in, lives in the future, in different roles. It keeps things interesting and exciting and it's helped alleviate the existential fear of death because I know that this is just a step in a process this a part of the wheel of life. That being said, I can't deny that there is a, physical like instinctual drive to live. So where if I'm putting in, put in a very dangerous situation. Fear does come up, but on a, on another level. But I think that's to be expected. You can have that understanding of a broader perspective on life and the soul and still be in the human body. That is a result of an evolutionary process that does still have instinctual drives and mechanisms inside of it that are built in to keep you safe. They're not mutually exclusive. You can be both. And, and having the understanding of the afterlife d isn't necessarily gonna negate or erase the millennia of evolution. That, these bodies e evolve to survive. And I think that's part of our, challenge is to, is to learn how to, to

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Find balance.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

Yeah, find a balance. Learn how to navigate in what we, under, what we understand in this limited body.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah, that was really deep. We, we can't always be meditating all day and we can't just be in the 3D all the time either. Right. So, on the Hawkins scale of enlightenment is really good. It's kind of like, Maslow's hierarchy of needs, if you guys haven't seen it before, look up Hawkins Skilled Enlightenment, and it starts off with suffering down here in the, in the very bottom and hatred and anger. And then up here is more like. Neutrality, but then there's pride and enlightenment and joy and happiness and that's kind of how our consciousness is too. If we are trying to get away from a tiger or running for our lives, we can't be in the higher elevated states of consciousness. So we need that balance. Yeah. And one other thing I was just wanted to mention too is it's okay to ask for help and ask for our guides to help us in our, in our higher self. Because if we don't, they can't interfere. So they, there's like this universal law, they can't help us unless imagine them looking, we're like in this labyrinth or maze right now and they're looking down at us and they know all, they know what we should do next, but they can't like tell us'cause that wouldn't be fair. That's not what we signed up for. We came into this body with amnesia and I. We have to navigate things with our own free will. With our own. It's more, it's better that way too, if we don't know the rules and we just do things. If you're just nice to someone,'cause you like to be nice, is way better than if someone tells you to be nice, right? So,

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

Yeah, it's not virtuous To be, kind to somebody and help them because you don't have any other choice. It's like the, the choice is the virtue.

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

Wow, this has been an incredibly enlightening and, wonderful conversation. I'm so appreciative of what you do. And to be able to hold space for people in the way that you do and approach this work with genuine curiosity, is a very special skill. And it takes a special kind of a person.'cause if somebody's not comfortable around you, or they sense some kind of ulterior motive, their unconscious mind is gonna prevent you from going deep and getting the results and knowing that you've worked with so many people and have had like, such great results with people and consistently with all kinds of different people you know, without even knowing you very well. It's a, like a green flag for me, and a clear indicator like this person approaches this work with integrity and, a place of non-judgment, which is crucial in, in holding this kind of space for people. And, the additional skills that you bring to the table in addition to the, the hypno hypnotherapy and hypnosis and being able to take people there. I think it's, it's incredibly special. And I am like, I'm so thankful that there are people like you out there doing what you do, helping to assist other people in accessing these parts of themselves. That's all it is. It's gaining a greater understanding of oneself through this practice and this modality. So, Jonathan thank you so much. All of your for anybody who's watching all of Jonathan's, contact information is gonna be down in the show notes at his website, how you can reach out to him to get more information about what he does to book a session. I'm gonna give you the microphone at the very end. What's the best way for people to, to connect with you and are there any things that you'd like to share as we get ready to part ways here?

jonathan_1_03-04-2025_182114:

Oh, man. Yeah, it's been really fun and I appreciate what you do and I think we're on the same mission in, in mine is to ra help raise people's consciousness, help expand people's minds and empower them. And through this work, I've found is a very effective and efficient way to do it. I'm just lucky I finally found, I've tried so many different things. I was in sales, I was in so many different things in, in life. And so guys out there if you aren't happy with your job or, or something like that, just keep doing different things until you find what you love because it's so meaningful and it's, it's not easy. It's hard, but. Anything worth having is worth working hard for. So, don't give up. You got this, you've incarnated once you can do it again and be the change you wish to see in the world. So I had a lot of fun. And if you haven't checked out his other episodes, you know, they're really good. He is had a lot of great spiritual people on, so check them out too.

ian_1_03-04-2025_172112:

Awesome. Jonathan, thank you so much. And I, I have a feeling, and this won't be the last time that we do one of these, so I am, yeah. I'm looking forward to, to the next time we get an, an opportunity to talk and everybody out there who's listening, thank you. Take care and be well.