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A Psychic Childhood, Astral Travel & Spiritual Rebellion w/ Dan Arhakos
What happens when a child grows up talking to spirits, floating down stairs, and attending funerals for fun?
In this candid and powerful conversation, Dan Arhakos shares her experience growing up with heightened psychic sensitivity—from communicating with her deceased uncle at age four to regularly astral projecting in middle school. We talk about how early spiritual gifts are often misunderstood, suppressed, or pathologized—and how to reframe them as strengths.
This episode dives into what it means to be spiritually gifted as a child, how trauma and religion shape our perception of those gifts, and how we can create safer spaces for the next generation of intuitive kids. We also discuss grounding practices, the reality of spiritual burnout, and the beauty of finding your own path—even if it looks wildly different from what society expects.
Whether you're a parent, a practitioner, or someone navigating their own awakening, this conversation offers heartfelt insight and actionable wisdom
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Timestamps:
00:43 Introduction
03:03 Dan's Early Experiences with the Deceased
06:11 High School: Spiritual Growth and Psychedelics
11:06 The Impact of Religion and Family Support
20:04 Witnessing Death and Understanding Life
29:26 Encouraging Children's Natural Development
33:49 Balancing Spirituality and Grounding
40:18 Reflecting on Childhood Experiences
46:11 Transforming Trauma into Growth
55:51 Connecting with Dan and Future Offerings
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Dan Arhakos is a psychic intuitive, teacher, and spiritual facilitator currently living in Peru. From a young age, Dan demonstrated profound extrasensory perception—including spontaneous spirit communication and out-of-body experiences—which eventually evolved into a grounded spiritual practice rooted in empowerment and personal sovereignty. Today, she offers private retreats, group retreats, virtual classes, 1-on-1 mentorships, and deep ceremonial experiences focused on deep personal transformation.
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Hey, I’m Ian Vogel—host of Alternate Timelines. My journey started on a small farm in the midwest, where I always felt a little out of place. After years of skepticism and even a stint as an atheist, a near-death experience changed my perspective on everything. Since then, I’ve explored plant medicine, past life memories, and the mysteries of consciousness. Now, I’m sharing those experiences to help others navigate their own awakening. Through real stories, deep conversations, and wild explorations of the unknown, we’re bu
I vividly remember telling my mom, like, you know,'cause I was floating down the stairs last night. And she was like, Dan, that is literally so impossible. as I got older the astral projecting and being able to like somewhat lucid dream all started in middle school.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Hmm.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:It was not, I didn't know what it was. I didn't have words for it. I loved being in church. I loved going to funerals. I loved that shit. Which they thought was very strange. I was so in the clouds, and my parents also didn't have the toolbox of what it meant to be grounded. if your child runs up to you in the middle of the night and says that they see your dead parent, that might freak your nervous system out.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Dan, it's so nice to see you again. Such a pleasure to reconnect. The last time we spoke, we had an awesome conversation and you mentioned some things and some things that came up about you that I did not know about. And I just had to put a little pin in it.'cause our conversation went in a different direction. But I was like, man, I have to talk to Dan again about these, these things about your, your past specifically and the fact that you grew up being able to communicate with the deceased and, for lack of better term, your extra sensory perception, your psychic abilities were more heightened at, at a young age, more so than the people around you, if I understand that correctly. And you know, I think there are a lot of people who are that way who live that way and whose experience is that way and they don't really know how to manage it. And you're somebody who's become successful. You, you run your own business, you've dealt with a, a lot of the, you know, different aspects of how to create boundaries and the energetic aspect of it. I'd love to hear more about your story, what it was like growing up, being able to astral project at will or randomly and how you're able to. Turn something that many people perceive as a burden into a gift. And I see that in you. And I, I sense that in you, that you've been able to take a challenging situation and, take the most out of it and turn it into something really beautiful and a beautiful life. It's really inspiring and I, I love talking to you, so yeah, I, I'd love to, to delve into that.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yes. Thank you so much for having me here again, and thank you so much for having those little light bulbs for you go off and be like, those are directions I would really like to discuss. So I feel like this is an important topic for other people that yes, might be like me, but also parents that have children because I'll definitely dive into that. Like my parents didn't necessarily know what to do. And so I think if they would've had just a little bit more direction, it could have been helpful, not just to them, but also obviously for me. So my parents realized like, I'll kind of start from there and then wherever you wanna go and dive into, we'll start. But my parents realized when I was about three, maybe four, that I was having like genuine back and forth conversations. Like, it's different when you. Children make up things all the time, but they started realizing the questions I was responding to. They were like, how would she have been prompted to answer this question? And so there was a photo of my dead uncle, which I actually have it now and it's now on my altar, but I used to come and I would sit and I would talk and I would answer these questions and I would ask questions and get answers, and then I would go on about my day because to me it wasn't odd. And something that I'll always say to people is, any child under the age of seven, in my opinion, is so still deeply connected to source that if you foster any type of spiritual, intuitive, or psychic. Thing that you see, it will bloom and blossom into something after seven is usually when seven year olds usually start to like, perceive the world. And then we start to realize like, what's weird, what's strange? I wanna fit in those types of things. And so at that point my parents just kind of let me go off. We'd be driving in the car and I would say, oh, so and so's next to me. I don't know so and so, but my parents knew so and so, or I would get angry because my mom wouldn't put out enough like settings for dinner. Because to me that was like, it's rude when we have people over. There's always, yeah, there's always enough for everybody. So I'm looking around like, well, that's not really fair. If these two people are standing here, they have to be able to sit and eat too. And so again, they didn't, my parents bless them, they didn't tell me it was wrong. They would ask me things'cause they'd be like, damn, she could talk to'em. So like, let's try to find out some information. But they also didn't necessarily. Foster it and like find people that could really water the seeds that were happening. They just kind of let me go with it. And then as I got older the astral projecting and being able to like somewhat lucid dream all started in middle school.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Hmm.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:It was not, I didn't know what it was. I didn't have words for it. Again, like I would explain, I, I vividly remember telling my mom, like, you know,'cause I was floating down the stairs last night. And she was like, Dan, that is literally so impossible. Like, I'm sure, I'm sure she didn't tell me to shut the fuck up. And she was basically like, shut the fuck up. Like, I'm glad you had a good dream, but like you cannot fly down the stairs. And obviously as I got older and I started reading about astro projection, there was a word for it, there was an understanding that, okay, you can astral project to other dimensions, but you can also astral project within the confines of your own home where you can just bring yourself up outta your body and you can walk around. And that's basically what I was doing when I was in middle school. Also in middle school. My dad had started talking to me about the Four Agreements, the Secret. My favorite book is The Tao of Poo. So like I did have all these little spiritual wisdom books coming into play. I had already, I knew what yoga was in high school was when I started like becoming very devoted. To the yogic practices and like deeper forms of meditation. That's also when I started doing psychedelics. So it kind of got a little bit easier for me to hang out with the dead or astral Project and Lucid Dream because now I had the capability to read certain books that I couldn't when I was younger.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Hmm.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:I had access to being able to ask teachers like, Hey, so this happened to me in a dream last night, or this was going on, and have these teachers be like, I'm gonna connect you with someone. Just tell them what's going on. So again, my parents didn't, they didn't tell me to stop. They didn't tell me it was strange, but they didn't. Have the tools in their toolbox to say, let's really let this grow. The last thing that I'll tell you, and then I wanna hear where you wanna start to really go deeper with this, is that when I got my first bleed, it was my, it was the day of my 13th birthday and the night before I got the bleed, I used to see people all the time, like dead people for, you know, lack of better terms all the time. The night before my 13th birthday, I woke up and it was like I was watching my uncle and he was with someone else that I didn't really know and there was just so many people there, but it almost felt like it was a funeral, although it was joyous. And then I got my bleed the, the next day on my 13th birthday. And then after that I started to realize I didn't really see everyone as much. My bleed kind of like brought, I mean think about like the influx of hormones that happen to you when you're 13 years old. And that did take, I wanna say I, it wasn't in a bad way or it wasn't in a good way, but it did make a difference to how I was then able. I could hear them more, but I couldn't see them as much. So I wanna hear what's on your heart.'cause I wanna know where exactly you wanna dive into.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Thanks for sharing all that, and this is exactly where I thought this conversation might go. And one of the things that I was really interested in and something that's on my heart a lot is. Children. I grew up in a similar sort of situation as you, like, d different geographic locations, but being very sensitive and aware of things that were happening around me that other people were not aware of. At, at a
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:very clear that other people were not having the same experience as me, even though they were sitting, that they were right next to me.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Right next to you.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:being able to have these conversations for adults and caretakers parents, people who have children, like start to plant those seeds. Like if your kid is remembering or telling you a story about something that happened, like you know, it, it can be from one end of completely shutting it down and, you know, clamping down on that and telling them that it, that's not possible, all that. Or it could be something where it's fostered and like, oh, tell me more. Let's get you in touch with somebody who can help you to develop this or help. Learn more about this. You know, there's a wide range of directions a parent can go, and I think even, even in of just allowing the child and not shutting them down and not having preconceived notions or, or judge or putting labels or judgment on the child's experience, I think that's the, the bare minimum. Just doing that, not putting your own stuff on the child, your own, you know, whatever beliefs on the
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:is going to allow them to discover things on their own and they'll eventually find a, find a path. But the more we suppress and, and label and judge the parts of our children's experience or the, the experience of the youth that are around us that we don't understand or that we may not be sharing in, we're setting the child up potentially for, a life of being able un unable to express themselves or feeling like they're weird or feeling like they don't belong, or self-loathing or self-judgment. This, this can come in, especially if there's strong religious backgrounds in the, in the household or the family. That that's
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Ooh.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:a whole other thing. So I'm, I'm so, like, wanted to talk. One of the big things I wanted to talk about was like, how can we create spaces that are
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:children to, to be themselves and, and even encourage them to, to learn how to understand themselves better and set them up for success later on in life to where they don't feel like they have to suppress who they are.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:I love this. This is wonderful. This is beautiful. Okay. There's so much I have in response to this, so I think that, so one of the things. I wanna talk about religion. And I also wanna talk about just like things that I used to do that they let me do. One of the things was, so my father's brother had passed away, like well before I was even a thought, like almost 20 years before I was born. And so we always went to the grave site. I would collect rocks so often, and it was like the, that was my collection of things that I needed to bring to Uncle Kenny. And I would also, I would write these long ass notes and then I would read them, I would make everybody listen to me when we were at the headstone. I would be like, okay, I'm gonna read my note now. And everyone would be like, okay. I remember vividly like being in the rain and them being like, Dan, you gotta read a little bit faster. Like it's, it's raining really hard. And I'm like, no, I wanna make sure I, you know. So in that sense, they just kind of let me do it. I would be like, oh, I found these rocks. I wanna bring them to Uncle Kenny. And they'd be like. Okay, we'll put them aside and then when we go to the cemetery next we can bring them.'cause we went, we went for like everything. We went for birthdays, we went for holidays, we went, because in Staten Island, the zoo is across the street from the cemetery that my uncle was buried in. So sometimes we went to the zoo. So we were like, Hey, we may as well go see Uncle Kenny. So in that way, that's just like a small thing that I thought was so normal that my parents just let me do that. And then as I got older, I realized like someone had said something, they were like, I would've been super freaked out if my kid brought rocks to me and said, I need to bring these to my dead uncle. And I was like, okay. So in terms of like how as a parent we can foster things, if your kid isn't doing anything that's like super erratic, obviously erratic behavior is like a totally different conversation that we can have. But like, if the behavior isn't erratic and it's something that's genuine, like I found, you know, of course I would be like, I found this flower. I wanna bring it to Uncle Kenny. They're like, it's not gonna last till Christmas, Dan. Like it's, you know, like you have to be open and honest with your kid, but also. They let me know rocks are okay, you wanna write him a letter? I would type it up back in the day when like you had like the computer room at the house, I would be like, I'm going into the computer room to write my letters. And I would put it on like colored paper and stuff. Like I took so much time because my parents also just allowed that space of like, a letter is okay, rocks are okay. You know, we can't bring food, we can't, you know, plant certain things. There are rules at the cemetery, so listen to your kid and if it's something that is doable, then let it be doable. So that's just like one really small example. I also wanna hit on religion and then I wanna talk a little bit more about like fostering gifts. My, I grew up Catholic, but my parents were like, your regular, like they went to church'cause it was what they were supposed to do, not because they were like really interested in it. In fourth grade I said, I wanna become an altar server. And they were like. Okay, sure. So I, I studied, I took the test, I became an altar server. Then I said I wanna be a child lector, which is like reading, and they were like, okay. So I did that. Then I was in charge of the children LECs, and I joined the youth group at the church. And then I was a cantor. That was the last thing that I did was the cantor is the singer. And I did that up until I was about 20. And so I chose to be in the church because there were two main places that I felt most comfortable. The church and any Buddhist or Hindu temple that I went to to practice yoga, those places just made sense to me. What I will say is I was a very rebellious Catholic in the youth group where I sometimes said things or I questioned things that they were not happy, that I was questioning, not my parents. My parents were like, she's gonna run her fucking mouth whether you want it or not. You wanted her here, you wanted her as president of the youth group. She's gonna run her mouth. But some people in the church weren't comfortable with what I was questioning, but I was questioning it because I was able to, in a church, if you are a child and you're able to see things, oh my God, it's bumping in there. It's so busy. There's so many people's things moving around. I mean, they are, they're saying certain prayers. It's like when you go to Ton and you're reciting mantra over and over and over. Some of these prayers have been used for many, many years. So at a certain point, people's auras start to change. So if you bring your child to a church and they're, and they say that they see certain colors or they see someone or they feel someone. Just let them see or feel it, as long as it's not, again, anything that's like one, either like a demonic presence or something that you're like mentally, maybe that's not okay. But I loved being in the church because I got very lucky. There were priests that I grew up with. They weren't mad that I wanted to go and practice yoga and learn more about Buddhism and Hinduism. And I, I liked saying, well, I went to this yoga class last week and they talked about this person and it reminds me of this person from the Bible. Like they liked that. So I did get very lucky if you can find some type of religion that's close by to bring your child to, that has good people.'cause that's, that's the big indicator there. Good people, of course there were priests that I, there was a nun that I met. There's this thing, it's called like P Taf and we were, it was when I was in youth group and we went and I got in a lot of trouble because I was like 16 or 17 and I just didn't like that the nun was saying that abortion was wrong. I thought it was stupid and fucked up. And so I said, I think this is stupid and fucked up. You get in trouble. But at that point I already had my own voice, so like I could advocate for myself that I thought this was stupid. When I got back to my church in Staten Island, the the like head priest is what I'll call him in this he had heard what I said and he was like, I, I thought I was gonna get in trouble. And he was like, no. He was like, you have beliefs, and beliefs is a good thing. And he was like, you obviously feel very strongly about this. And I hadn't known anybody to get an abortion or really knew anything too deep about that world then, but then years later I would choose to have an abortion. So I appreciated that. Father, his, his name was Alan Travers father Alan Travers was very much so like, be strong in your beliefs. Like that's, that is like Christ was strong in his beliefs. Be strong in your beliefs. And that was something that I took with me. I don't think he realized what he was saying to me, but like, I believe all of us can see things. I believe all of us can hear things. I believe all of us can be connected to the other side. And so when he said that to me at 16. I was like, fuck yeah. My beliefs are my beliefs and if anybody tells me that I'm wrong, they can suck my dick. So at that point was when I really started to get deeper and deeper into like, if I want to talk to my dead uncle, or I want to talk to, at that point, because I had been doing so much astral projection, I knew that there were other entities right in other places, and I was like, fuck that. It doesn't say anything in the Bible like that. Even if you go to like certain temples that are like Hindu temples or like Buddhist temples, they're not really gonna usher you in the direction of connecting with extraterrestrials. But Father Traverse was like, you have a belief stand in it. I said, fuck yeah, I'm gonna stand in it and I'm gonna, I'm gonna move with this. So I also wanna circle that back to the idea that just having certain books. Accessibility in your home,
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Hmm.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:it's a child that you realize or an adolescent that you realize that you're like, oh, they're kind of in tune with something. Now that also bleeds into sometimes mental illness where parents, and I've seen this many times where parents are like, oh, but if my child said something that you said, I would've thought they were schizophrenic. I will say the first time I went to therapy, I was 14 and I did, I asked the therapist, I said, April, am I schizophrenic? And she said, no, you're normal, you're fine. She was quite already spiritual in and of herself. And so I started going to therapy because my grandfather had passed away and because I had shown my parents, I loved connecting with the other side. I loved being in church. I loved going to funerals. I loved that shit. Which they thought was very strange. But when you become an altar server, I was in fourth grade, sometimes they do request. Servers for funerals. And I was like, I wanna do it. You know, you get paid like 20, 30 bucks. It's like nothing. But I didn't, it wasn't the money for me. It was like, am I gonna get to see the dead body? Am I gonna get to hear them? Like, talk to me, am I gonna get to see them walk around like I wanted that. So at 15 when my grandfather had started to die, he went on hospice and for a month he had an entire death team. And so he had hospice nurses, my family members. And then there were two people from the church and then someone who was basically a death doula. But under more of a religious aspect.'cause they were, my grandparents were born in like the twenties and thirties. So they, they were really rah rah for Jesus. They were rah rah for white Jesus, like culturally accurate. Jesus is my boy, but not really. You know what, you get what I'm saying?
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:So when, when my grandfather started to die, I asked my parents like. Can I watch the process? I'd like to see it.'cause I knew what the other side was. I knew what life was and I knew how they could talk to you when they're dead. I mean, they live a whole life over there. Like death is nothing to be feared. Although I still have fear of death myself'cause I love Earth, but they live a whole life over there. So I knew that, but I knew there was like a liminal space that I just didn't understand, like the decay of a body. So my parents, I think there are pros and cons to them saying yes to allowing a 15-year-old for like almost four weeks to watch someone's body decay. But I don't regret it at all because I feel like it taught me the importance of life and death. That my parents didn't have the words when I was younger, that my dad would cry when I would read those letters. I would be so excited, be like Uncle Kenny at school this week of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And my dad would sub. I didn't understand that, but for him, he identified my uncle's body. So like his last memories were of this mangled remnants. They didn't have the words or know how to articulate that to me.'cause I was like, but it's okay. He's right there. He's with us. You know, watching my grandfather pass allowed me to see like, oh this is devastating. This isn't even the per, this isn't even the grandfather that I knew. His voice is different. He's losing his mind. He, he was talking to dead people way more than I was at that point.'cause they're in like that interesting space. And so, I, I think that if. Maybe not like children. I don't, I don't even know if it's teenager. I don't know if it was correct for me to witness that, but I do think if you don't have the words to express to your children, sit them down with a priest who does your last rights. That's what they call it in like the Catholic church. Sit them down with a death doula who can explain to you like, well, you know, after they die for like five to seven minutes, the body is still processing something. Like teach them. There are books out there for children and for adolescents that use better verbiage than you might be able to express. But also, and maybe I'm wrong for this, like express yourself, like I, I wish my dad would've told me like, it breaks my heart when we come here because I can't stop thinking about what his body looked like. Like be open, be honest. Because there was a disconnect for me until I started going to therapy and I could unpack that where I was like. They only cry at specific times. And I started to realize, oh, because they're not in tune, they're not talking to them besides when the funeral is happening, when you're at the headstones or wherever the person is buried they don't, they're not tapped in like you and I on a regular Tuesday when I'm like, oh, uncle Kenny, you wanna go for a walk at the river? And I walk down the road with my dog and, you know, so, I hope some of that is helpful and I know I just said a lot of things, so I'll take a deep breath and you tell me where we should drive next.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Thank you for sharing all that. That's, it touches on so many different things. I mean, from the, the religious aspects, like just personally and I know. A lot of people that this is gonna resonate with because I, I grew up in rural Minnesota in a very homogenous area. White people that go to church and
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:For white Jesus.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:for white Jesus. And it's, it's not good. It's not bad. It's just, it is what it is. This is a
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm. Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:area and it's, people here are very stuck in their beliefs and it is a very
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:all, all that. And I was a little dark person surrounded by big white people. It felt like my, my mother's from Chile and
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:took on a lot more of her characteristics and around here, the, the heritage and is mostly Dutch and Scandinavian,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm. Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:I was like. A little, a little dark person, a little brown person a
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:where I just didn't feel like I fit in whatsoever. And we would go to, when I was little, I went to a Lutheran church and
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:like, I remember them giving me the hymn null, and I just, I just, I wouldn't sing. I'm like, I, I don't connect with this at all. Like, what are we doing here? This is boring. Like, just on a deep level, I was like, this is wrong. Like, I don't connect with this is, there's nothing spiritual about this. For as long
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:wouldn't sing. I would just like, I would just kinda be forced to go and just go through the, the motions. And it wasn't until later on did I, and I started doing the like deep inner work that I realized that I was carrying a lot of wounds from that. And a lot
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:like repressed, you know, repressed emotions and feelings about my loved ones who brought me there. They brought me there out of a. Feeling of duty and responsibility and feeling like they were doing the right thing, forcing me to be
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:in this thing that I obviously didn't wanna participate in. From their point of view, it was the loving thing to do from my point of
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:It made me feel like I didn't belong. And it just like, it wounded me in a lot of ways and I had to go through this whole process of forgiving fam, my family members and people who are just doing the best that I could. you mentioned the fact that at a young age, these things are more prominent, these abilities are more prominent and these senses are accessible to children.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:you know, it, if we're looking at it from a, lens, the, from the time we're born until about the age of 7, 8, 9, our brains are, are in theta, in the theta brainwave
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:is. A state of hypnosis, you're just absorbing what's going on around you. That, there's also the, you know, that aspect, the, the, the neurology of what's happening and how our brains are forming. And if something deep within us doesn't resonate, like it, it creates a, a dissonance.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:we can take that on at a young age, and a lot of people do, and they just carry it into their adult life and not understanding
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Adulthood.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:this tension is coming from. And from, from trauma for, for lack of better term. Like
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yep.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:necessarily a, there's lowercase T trauma and
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:what is traumatic for one person is not gonna be traumatic for somebody else. And how,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:benign as forcing a kid to go to, to go to a church and, and, and say a certain prayer and. In order to be
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Like I, I said the prayer and I didn't feel any different. I'm like, okay, I guess I'm not saved. I guess I'm going to hell. and I lived with, I was a kid. I didn't know anybody. I lived with that for years and
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:years, and it took a lot of unlearning and unwinding and un unraveling this, these knots of
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:and like religious lowercase
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:and things that I experienced that really, I carried it well into adulthood unconsciously, I was not aware that I, I
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:towards my. One of my family members for bringing me there and making me do that, that affected our entire relationship. Like it was unconscious. And, a lot of people are, are living with these, with these sorts of situations. And I, I really
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm,
_1_05-26-2025_090757:your perspective and when you were describing the situation you're in, I was like, wow, that is just like the openness of the people in the, the clergy and the people in authority within the church.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:I got lucky.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:never, I never, I wouldn't say that I, I got unlucky, but I never encountered
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:until, well, later on in life I was
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:sure you're Christian? Like, you're like, I've never heard a Christian say speak like that. And I've never, you're
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:of the Christians that I've ever met. And, and I just
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:frame of reference.'cause from the time I grew up, everything was. the way that it was. So yeah, allowing, I
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:allowing kids to just be in that state and be open and having the books around and just even having, like planting those seeds and allowing them to gravitate towards whatever they want
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:towards, giving them options, allowing them to
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm
_1_05-26-2025_090757:themselves and, and learn for themselves, I mean, I think is hugely important. Children are brilliant and if you give them the time and the space to express their brilliance with direction and not unnecessary and undue restrictions on them, children are remarkable at figuring out what they like and what they want to do and how, how to do things
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:They want to, like, that's a part of their development and, creating an environment for them to be able to do so I think is, is incredibly important. and.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah, it's, I I, that that is something that's near and dear to my heart'cause it is a wound that I cared for a long time.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:I think there's, well first off, thank you so much for sharing that with me. And there's like multiple things that I wanna hit on there. So I feel like conversations, I feel like if you are going to be a parent, I think it's crazy that there's not like a test you need to pass to be a parent. I feel like there's supposed to be some type of exam that you need to pass with flying colors to be a parent, but apparently that doesn't exist. But what I'm trying to get at is there needs to be conversation around certain things. Because you're saying you went and like, just the idea that a little kid was sitting there and said, okay, I said the prayer, I don't feel different, which means I'm probably not saved. Were there people around to have that conversation with you, to have the conversation of like, well, how are you feeling now that we're leaving masks? Now that we're leaving church, now that we're leaving, you know, whatever we were at, having open-ended conversations where you are neutral for children to explore is so unbelievably important in my opinion. And my opinion comes from, one, it's my motherfucking belief. And two, a lot of people that come on our retreats or work one-to-one with us, they don't realize it at first, but yeah, they've got religious trauma in some way, shape or form. And so they didn't have conversations like this though. It was a very much so it was a black and white situation it seems like for most people. I also grew up in New York. It's Staten Island, so being part of the city, maybe that's why I had a little bit more of people that were open. But still at the same time, there are definitely people that when I got very vocal and open as I got older, those people in the church that were very nice to me, they were not fucking nice to me anymore. And I said, again, you can suck my fucking dick. I don't care. I'm happy. That also comes to another piece that I wanted to talk about, which is like knowing your child. My brother is also extremely intuitive. He's incredible at reading tarot. Like he's got his own beautiful set of tools in his toolbox. However, we are extremely different. My brother is much more quiet than I am. If you don't ask him questions, he's not gonna tell you. Whereas if you can obviously tell I'm a fucking loud mouth. I feel like my, my Leo rising in my chart cancels out. I have like a Libra Seum. I feel like it just cancels all the Libra out and my Leo just comes right through. So I'm very bold in my conviction because that is the type of person that I am. That's why I like my parents were like, if you don't want her to run your mouth, don't put her up there.'cause she's gonna run her mouth if she doesn't agree with something that you say like that's on you, you know, for not knowing. But for my brother, he needed more questions. Because to them it was, oh, Dan has these gifts. He doesn't, meanwhile he did. The whole time it was just, no one was prompting him and asking him certain things to move him in the direction. Later on he ended up finding it.'cause he would always say, he would always come into my bedroom and like, do yoga with me. And I would tell him like what my yoga teachers were saying or like, what happened at Temple, you know, and like, share certain random things, you know, that I learned. And so he found his way to plant medi, like all of us. Found his way to plant medicine, found his way, the whole nine yards. He lived in San Diego. I love San Diego. The place, the people are quite eccentric though, like almost too eccentric for me. They're very Sedona, if you get what I'm saying. And so there needs to be, we need to find balance. We cannot be up in the clouds all the time. And that's kind of what I wanna get to is the idea that like, yeah,
_1_05-26-2025_090757:you on the woo.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:heavy on the woo. When I figured out that I could as shall project and I could lucid dream and I could fucking, I was 15, 16, eat mushrooms, smoke a ton of salvia. I highly, highly do not recommend this to any teenagers that could potentially listen to this, but it was what I did. I was like, drugs and alcohol exist. And I didn't call them plant medicine because I was using them not as plant medicine. I was not using them ceremonially. I was using them as drugs. And having the time of my life doing so. But with that being said, I was so in the clouds, and my parents also didn't have the toolbox of what it meant to be grounded. So when I would say, oh my goodness, I'm overwhelmed with panic and I'm having anxiety. Well, obviously you're a highly sensitive being who's fucking popping shrooms and talking to dead people, watching your grandfather die, obviously you're having panic attacks. They also didn't understand anxiety or depression or bipolar or any, any of those mental illness things. And they didn't understand simple things which were grounding techniques. They didn't understand breath work. I'm obviously a breath work practitioner now because I felt like that was very important. They didn't understand grounding, quite literally getting my feet in cold water.'cause they didn't know. They didn't know what they didn't know. They weren't taught those things in their generation. My parents were both born in the sixties, my mom in the early sixties and my dad in the late sixties. But like, they weren't taught these things and they didn't seek these things out. If you are going to allow a child to be deeply immersed in. Whatever it is that their intuitive gifts call for. You also wanna make sure that you ground the shit out of them because they are in a human body on this planet. And our nervous system only has as much capacity as we're able to give it. And so for me, although I had extreme capacity to get out of my head and go into wherever I was going, I didn't really have the capacity within my physical body to feel comfortable and, and be like, okay, now that I've just energetically connected with all these things, let's bring Dan back into her body and clean the body out. I didn't know, I didn't know I had to do that. So I feel like. That's also important for parents, like have your own grounding techniques. Have your own way to expand your nervous system capacity. Because yes, if your child runs up to you in the middle of the night and says that they see your dead parent, that might freak your nervous system out. And so you wanna make sure that not only do you have a grounding technique for your child after their connecting with these other realms, but also that you have the capacity to soothe yourself so that you can say, actually yes, I can allow my child to move through this and explore their own self.'cause if you don't have the capacity, that creates children not having the capacity. Does that make sense?
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah, absolutely. Having a even very basic, it doesn't have to be a spiritual or esoteric or metaphysical thing, but having a very basic set of tools that you can use yourself for energetic hygiene, like you say, gr grounding and, and knowing that situations can arise. Where, where somebody's, where your energy might be affected. Well, what are you gonna do? what, like simple breathing technique can you use, can, can you touch the ground? Like have three or four things that you
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:easily and quickly rely on that you don't have to think about. It's not like, oh, what am I gonna do if this happens, if my, if my child is. Is overregulated or if their nervous system isn't able to manage the situation, what are like one or two things that we could do immediately? Just whether it's a simple box breathing or touching the ground, getting outside, getting some fresh air, you know, getting that person out of the environment so that they can decompress a little bit, whatever it is. Just having some very simple practices, again, that don't have to be spiritual in any way. It's just basic, like, like brushing your teeth or, or sort of basic thing that you do as, as form, as hygiene,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:can have that as energetic hygiene as well, and I think having a, a personal practice it helps, but just being aware that those things are out there for children and,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:and, and not assuming that. Just because maybe you don't connect with breath work or grounding doesn't affect you as much. Not making the assumption that it's not gonna affect them. Like, like try it, be open. know, one, one thing that you and, and as you were talking, of things clicked with me. It's like being, talking to your children, telling your children about your experience. As you were talking, I had, I realized why I wasn't able to, or I didn't feel comfortable expressing, you know, the feeling that I, I said the prayer and I didn't feel any different and I thought I was going to hell because of it. I had never said anything to anybody was because none of the adults in my life were having those conversations
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Like, they weren't
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:they were not themselves opening up in that way. They weren't vulnerable, they weren't sharing their, like, the inner aspects of themselves. So I, I just never had that as a. As a, a model. I never knew that,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:of behavior was appropriate, that I could tell them that how I was feeling I was just doing what the adults around me were doing, and that was suppressing this really deep feeling of like, I'm, I'm not good enough. Like, God doesn't love me. There's something wrong with me. I didn't know that I could go, I didn't feel like it was safe. I didn't even know it was a thing that I could go talk to somebody about how I was feeling. It was just everybody was kind of in their own little silo, their own little space, and,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:was vulnerable with me in such a way that I felt like I could also be vulnerable with them. Not to
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:or, or not to an extent where I, I felt like I could have any of these sorts of conversations with them.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:That is like the biggest piece of the puzzle that when I am working with people that have gotten older is them recognizing those things. And I think this speaks to a point where like, I'm not a parent, so like my hands are up with this one. Like I get it, it is difficult. But how many people, just because you give kids food and shelter and you were nice enough to them, doesn't mean that you didn't stifle their growth in other ways or maybe inflicted certain traumas on them. Because those things are, in my opinion, only my opinion those things also are neglectful to not be having those conversations. Because those things can really spiral us out as we get older, especially if we don't know that. If we don't know that this is something that weighs heavy on our heart. And like I also wanna add. If people are listening to this and they're like, fuck, I don't want my kid to end up like Dan, which is like, totally fine. I get it. I, I'm strange, right? Like there are some people that think what you and I do is very weird and how we live and what we believe in is very weird and that's totally fine. There are tons of people that are able to connect with the other side that are not maybe doing plant medicine or traveling to certain places to have certain experiences. Like they could very well be the person that gives you, you know, your bagel in the morning at the fucking bodega. Like, it doesn't necessarily mean that we're also gonna end up like these quote unquote weirdos.'Cause I know that's also something where when I do work with people that are older, they're like, you know, maybe their parent did realize and their parent expressed to them after they brought up the conversation. Like, well, I didn't want you to end up like, you know, these hippies that go to these ashrams and then are in a cult. And it's like, I. I totally understand that perspective too. But that doesn't necessarily mean that's going to happen if you're fostering the correct conversations for children to understand that. And I also understand that it's hard to not have your own opinions and your own beliefs and not want your kids to see that. Like if I had a kid right now, I would want my kid to be as excited as I am to see my favorite tree at the river. I love that fucking tree. Now, how could you not be excited to see this tree? But also at the same time, maybe that's not it. Maybe my kid does feel more comfortable at Temple or going to certain spaces. You know, maybe it is a church, maybe it's not a church. So like it's a lot of, Ooh. And I also wanna add, maybe it's not your kid, maybe it's your friend, maybe it's your partner that you're recognizing. How can I support them? We cannot force all of our beliefs. It's the same thing with parents. I've tried this many times. When I started to realize that my brother was gifted too, I was like, oh bitch, I'm gonna make a mini me right now, bro. And obviously I could not, because he was his own person, right? He had to figure things out for himself and he had to tell me, fuck off. I'm figuring it out as we foster community.'cause for me, I'm not in a space, I'm not fostering anybody like that besides my clients, right? I let them, if all of a sudden they're like, I'm really called to work with the spirit of Jesus this week. That's the ascended master that I wanna work with for this week or this month. Sure, let's dive into it. Let's see where it goes. And if that leads them to becoming religious in some way, shape, or form. That's their way to get there. I'm not there to tell them what's right or what's wrong. I am just there to let them know like, you're not schizophrenic, you're not crazy. Keep cleansing your energetic body. Keep cleansing your physical body. That's all we can do is in the same way that we create the capacity within our nervous system is create the capacity to know, this is Dan's beliefs, but as soon as I meet with you, it's okay. My beliefs have to be back here and I just have to listen to where he's at and hopefully, you know, steer the boat in the right direction. That's calling to you today and hopefully that could be as helpful to you as possible because to me, the teachers that I have had that have let me run free, like at one point I wanted to be at Temple to do Puja and Ton every single fucking day. That was where I needed to be at. Obviously another point in time I needed to be in church. I felt like I. Which also, by the way I don't have all of them recorded, but like, there are tons of hymns because I was a cantor, I've changed the lyrics. Like even like the Hail Mary, I sing it at at ceremonies all the time. But I've changed the lyrics'cause I don't, I hate the word sinner. So like, there are just things that I've changed over the years and like when I first recorded myself singing that Hail Mary, this wasn't, I wouldn't have considered this person like a spiritual teacher, but they were a priest from the church that I was at. And I posted this video on Instagram and Facebook, and that priest happened to be a friend of mine on Facebook. And they reached out and they were like, that was absolutely beautiful. Like, hopefully hope to see you soon. Like hopefully we can get together, like hope everything's going well. And it made me feel so loved because there was no, like, I can't believe you changed the words to this. It was very like, this is where you need to be. The teachers that I had, the Hindi teachers that I had were very, like, Dan's here all the time. And then I said. I think I need to take a step back from this. They were like, okay, so take your step back from this. Like, that's okay. We'll still be here. We'll still love you. So it's really fostering a nurturing environment to, and total different conversation if you feel like your child or your loved one is potentially having mental issues, totally different conversation. That's not what we're discussing today because that's also very valid. But fostering that place where you can love somebody through their exploration requires you to have your own nervous system capacity and understanding that if somebody believes something different from you, that doesn't take away from your beliefs. And I feel like parents don't get that. And I'm not a parent, so yes, I'm judging you guys, but like I just meet a lot of parents that are, are my clients that I get pushback when they're like, yeah, but the kid doesn't see this. And I'm like, okay. They don't see it your way either they haven't had enough life experience or they don't have that belief that you have so.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah. Yeah. And I, my personal belief is that everybody does the best that they can with the resources that they have.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yes.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:And, you know, part of in a relationship of a mother child or a parent and child means that you're, you as the parent is, are going to some sort of lo lowercase,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Oh yeah.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:the lowercase t trauma on your child. Like,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:part of the agreement. And this is my belief, like we all do the best that we can with what we have. And sometimes that means that what you originally knew or the, like, your skills at a certain point in time were not adequate to, know, foster the certain gifts of your child. Or,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:know, maybe like what is the ideal situation? Like where is there ever a perfect situation? There
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Right.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:child ever grew up. Or had a perfect childhood. I know a lot of people want their kids to be a certain way and with my personal experience in the, in the work that I've done internally and unpacking all this stuff from my childhood, it's like I, I've come to a point where I can look back and see the things that were really challenging or the, the beliefs that were instilled in me or the, the things that caused lower t trauma and affected my life in a really challenging sort of a way I can look back on'em now and say, wow, you know what, know that that person was doing the best that they could do. I'm actually grateful that I had that situation that I had to work through.'cause it taught me so much. Like, my personal belief is that we're here learn lessons and without
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:These things that happen to us in our childhood without our parents, potentially pushing their own agenda on us and us having to, to figure out how we relate to that or how we, how our personal beliefs relate to their beliefs. If you don't have some sort of friction or some sort of pressure externally on you, you can't really figure out where you are in relation to somebody if they're not,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:To that.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:if they're not, you know, giving you something to push up against if they're not, you know, giving you
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm
_1_05-26-2025_090757:and their points of view. Like it's, my perspective, it's all well and good. Like, abuse is really a challenging thing to think about. I'm not a parent either and you know, I've, like, I never, I'm like not condoning abuse whatsoever. And at the same time. My belief is that life is about, it's not about the things that happen to you, it's about how you respond to the things that happen to you. That's how you
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:are. I really like to use good and bad. Like I, it's hard for me to say, and I, I don't believe that abuse, physical abuse a inherently bad thing. Honestly. It's traumatizing for the child. Yes. It's always comes from a place of trauma and creates specific challenges in that person's life. And, some people rise to the occasion and they figure out how to overcome it, and they figure out how to be the best parent who, who never touches their child or does, or repeats any of those
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:My mother's an example of that. She was like dealt with some really gnarly stuff and she never laid a hand on me because of that. And
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:situations. I just personally don't believe that they, that those things happen to us for a negative reason. I, I believe that every experience that we have, the universe has positive intent to help us grow and to help us become the people that we are able to become. These are all learning experiences. Never condoning abuse. Never. I wouldn't say that I want it, I would never perpetrate it on somebody. cause I,'cause there are karmic like energetic,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:That doesn't come without a price. Like doing that on somebody creates an, an energetic karma that I wanna have no part
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Like that, that's not part of my, that's not part of my story. And I, I don't think these challenging things that happen to us when we're children have to be something that's disempowering. I think those can be
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:empower us. Even the most gnarly of circumstances I've met in the, in facilitating plant medicine ceremonies, I've met people who
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:have, who have experienced unbelievable amounts of abuse as children
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:upon them by the closest people in their life. And,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:and they ha at, at a certain point, everybody has a choice. Am I gonna, am I a victim to this? Is this gonna make me who I am?
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:am I gonna use this situation as a form of empowerment to become the person that I know
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:to be like,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:these sorts of things don't have to be disempowering. They can be the things that liberate us and often those most challenging experiences that we've experienced at a young age are the things that help lead us to become. Like really incredible people and, and help to create diamonds. A diamond is created under immense pressure, and without that immense, pre immense pressure, you couldn't have a diamond. The high achievers, people, who have incredible families, people who are, maybe they don't have a, a lot of money or things externally, but they're just happy and devoted to a life of service to others. Like often those sorts of and situations, people who you really look up to of having high character have gone through incredibly challenging situations. So I,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:I, I always think of those things as opportunities for, for deep and really profound growth.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:I think it's important to name that because like recently I was telling a client that I was like, you keep looking at everything as black and white. I was like, you are so forgetting the different variations of the color gray. Like where that can put you on the spectrum of what you are experiencing right now because of what they're going through, that would typically be labeled as bad. I was like, you keep, you keep saying it. We keep repeating, we keep repeating, and we're in the same cycle over here in the bad. I was like, but you're not seeing anything else of where we can bring it. So I think that that's so unbelievably important to name, and I completely agree with you. I think for the people that are potentially in the deep trauma right now, they don't wanna hear that. And I totally get that. And I agree with you and
_1_05-26-2025_090757:I, I
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:yeah,
_1_05-26-2025_090757:totally respect that.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:and I totally agree with you that in terms of facilitation. Facilitation and space holding? Not that I don't have respect for people that haven't really been through anything in their life.'cause like I think respecting all human life is important. But yes, for me, if I'm about to go on a plant medicine journey, I want the person who has been to Helen back in life and Helen back in the ceremony space. I wanna make sure that we are going to the same great lengths as each other. I also think it builds exactly what you were saying. It builds a different type of character. When you meet somebody who it was all very like dainty for lack of better terms in life, there's this kind of like, damn, that's great that it was so good for you. I'm so happy that it was so good for you in your experience. But then in what ways are you going to be able to understand my experience or hold more capacity for me to have like very deep, dark, transformational experiences If you can't. Even put an idea or an energetic feeling to it. So I love that point too. And I, I think this conversation is so important. And there's definitely even more like, I didn't even talk about being on antidepressants because I was on antidepressants for four years and like what that has to do in this world as well. So like, maybe there's also a way that we get to continue this conversation.'cause I think there's a lot more to go into. But thank you so much for all of this.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah, I, I appreciate you sharing and this conversation. I think it's something that lot of people are experiencing on some level, but there's not a lot of conversations around like being able to learn how to live with our, our natural God-given gifts that, that we all
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:age. Some people are a bit more in tune with'em than others, but it, it, these things are all accessible to everybody and especially at a younger age. And Yeah, we, and there's potentially a, a lot more we could talk about. And,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Mm-hmm.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:put on the back burner. How we don't really acknowledge it. It's death has become taboo somehow. And,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:you and I have both have, have experienced working through that and being more comfortable with that than other people. And how depth has become a taboo in our society is just a huge topic and a, a source of like fear and trauma for a lot of people. So, yeah. I know. We gotta wrap this up. Dan.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah,
_1_05-26-2025_090757:I, we, we could go for a long time. How,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:know.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:How can people connect with you? Like I, I found out about you on Instagram and I really love the content you put out. How can people connect with you? What are you I what are you doing? We didn't even talk about the fact that you're in Peru right now, and that's where you're, where you're living. can people connect with you and just give us a, a brief rundown of how to, how to engage with you further.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yeah, so I do have Instagram and I'll give, you have both those handles and I also have TikTok as well. And then to go further, if anybody listens to this and they're like not super plugged into social media, which I totally respect and understand I do have a Patreon that has three different tiers, and the first tier is just a free tier, and it's basically my email list. And it's just a way that you can stay in touch with me. I am in Peru right now. We don't have the dates out for our next retreat, which I will assume is going to be in the September, October, November range, but we are doing one-on-one retreat. So those, you get to choose your dates obviously,'cause it's just you. And we do have a, actually this Thursday so I don't know when this is gonna come out, but it'll be, it'll be posted to the Patreon that it's$33 a month and you get like one to two classes with me on Thursday. I am gonna be doing a lucid dreaming class because every virtual cacao diha that we've done, everybody's dreams have been so like a major important piece of it. And I haven't done a lucid dreaming class probably in like two or three years now. So I figure now is the time, let's dive into it. And then we start another four week virtual cacao diha in on June 12th.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:Very cool. And all your offerings are on are probably through,
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yep.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:through that, so I know you got a lot going on. So yeah, check out, check, check out Dan's
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yes.
_1_05-26-2025_090757:the, and yeah, connect with her and. Dan, thank you so much. I appreciate your time and your openness and willingness to share, and I look forward to many more conversations in the future.
dan--she-her-_1_05-26-2025_090757:Yes, likewise. Thank you so much love.