The Mind Horizon 002: Coby Persin

What happens when viral social experiments, underground cloning labs, Bugattis, and AI all collide in one room?

In this exclusive, no-filter episode of the Mind Horizon Podcast, host Kid Heat sits down with the one and only Coby Persin — YouTuber, viral provocateur, DNA swabber, and modern-day digital detective — for what might be his first and only podcast appearance ever.

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What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Mind Horizon with your host, Kid Heat. So happy to be here back for another episode. Today's guest is someone I like to call a friend. He's an amazing guy, very big influencer in the world, and he's done a lot on YouTube, especially. Without further ado, let's just jump right into this. His name is... Kobe person. Let's go. Wow. First podcast ever. And probably the only one I'll ever do only for you. I'm doing this. No one else is getting a podcast. This is exclusive guy. And I feel, I do. I feel special when you told me you don't do podcasts, man. I was like, you know, thank you. Thank you very much. It's weird because, um, I always like to keep kind of what I do like kind of private. So if people don't really know too much about you, they can't really hate, right? Exactly. So it's like, if they know you're really, if they know this, there's so many different things people get hate on. So I don't really just talk, but I'm here to talk. Okay. So you're opening up. All right. You're an open book today. Well, thank you for coming in, bro. I really appreciate you coming in. And we do have a lot to talk about. I don't know if you, I know you don't know too much about the show, but you know, we talk about AI, we talk about web three, we talk about crypto. And most importantly, we talk about, talk about how these things affect your life and your industry and what you got going on right now and stuff. So let's talk about how we met. I guess that's a good starting point, right? That's a good one. That's a good one. You want to tell everybody how we met? Yeah. So basically in 2022, I was doing this series where I was using my scientific knowledge and biology background to clone people essentially. And I think we got you. It was a random, someone sent me a video. It was online, I think. Someone saying, oh no, this is what it was. Some girl licked your car when it was going past in Hollywood, when you were just driving your Rolls Royce. Next thing you know, I get sent this video and they're like, this girl licked this car, go get that DNA. And then it turned into the wild goose chase of me. Checking you down. She sent you the video, right? And I was like, okay. So what happens is it would go viral online. Anytime I see one of those would go viral. I'm just looking, I'm like, wait, where is that? Okay, I get it. And then next thing you know, I'm out there on the playground. And you found me. You found me a Boa Steakhouse. So Boa Steakhouse, using your story, right? Just, yeah. You followed me home and I seen you in the rear view and I was like, who the hell is this guy? Cause you were kind of doing like this, you know? And sure enough, when we got to the house, I pulled in, I looked and you kind of just parked to the side, you know? So I just went right in, in, in my house and just didn't think nothing of it. And then, uh, all of a sudden my boy looks out and says, Hey, he's over there touching your car, you know, and it's a Rolls Royce. So I automatically was like, what? And we ran out and you have it all. We got that DNA. You got the DNA. How's that clone? How old is that? So that, um, that ended up failing. I'll tell you why. Because there was makeup and bacteria particles that got into it at the same time. Cause when the girl licked it, she didn't do like a full, like, I think her something hit it and then it's just the contamination. Okay. So you weren't able to successfully. Not that one, but other ones, other ones we have growing, you know? So how many clones have you actually done? We did. Successful clones. Successful. Yeah. Not too many, but the ones that we experimented on probably like 300 different ones in my lab. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Here and there just messing around, you know? So are you using like the same technology as they use for like the dire wolves to like bring them back? So I did see the dire wolf story and those guys, their budgeting is insane. They must have like a billion dollars because these guys are really like, they really are doing it. I'm excited. I heard they're going to do, they're going to do the woolly mammoth next. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. But yeah, eventually I do want to get, like I have, I'm in contact with a few, uh, dog cloning agencies because those are legal. Human cloning obviously is not. And I'm going to be working with them right now to clone a dog. It does cost$50,000. There's a company in the UK that runs it, so I'm in contact with them to... work with them and figure out what we can do. Wow, that's insane, man. So do you have like a, did you go to college for this stuff? Yeah, so I had a psychology major along with science and environment biology. So I did that for about a year and then dropped out and became a YouTuber. And then towards, once I was developing the character, I knew, Cloning is a big thing. People want to know how to do it. No one really knows what's going on. But I knew that if I could use my knowledge to some stuff, to some degree, that it could make it interesting for people to at least learn about it. It might not happen, but people are learning. That's the cool part. Yeah, I know a lot of people out there don't, like I've seen a lot of comments like, oh, this is fake. And some people are like, how do you do it? Yeah, there's no tutorial. There's not really a tutorial. It's a lot of like messing around. I've been to your lab and man, it's a real lab. It's cool. You've got a lot of cool stuff going on. There's a lot of cool machines. There's tens of thousands of dollars of equipment in there. We're always buying more. Like it's, it's a good production, you know? So people would lick things and you would find them based on the stuff in their background. And now you're, you're kind of doing a thing without the cloning. You're finding people just by them sending videos saying, Hey, Kobe, I bet you can't find me. And you, you take the background details and you, That's another thing I want to talk about. Do you use AI to help you find these people? No, that would be too easy. A lot of people think you do like, oh, you could, but originally I started this like a year ago when AI was, it wasn't even where it was anywhere. like today. So you couldn't just put a video, a picture in Google. Like now it's a lot easier, which is why the ones I choose can't be easy anymore because the fans know they're waiting for something really hard. They're like the one where the sun is on your face and not where you just see the Empire State Building in the background. Obviously, I know like maybe like three years ago, that would have been funny. But now the ones I do are very complex. Like people in the middle of the North Pole where Google Maps doesn't exist. A guy in Nigeria where there's only one cell phone, whatever is going on over there. There's not a lot going on. Like, you know, so like the ones I picked now are very tough, which is why I picked them. I'm not picking anything easy anymore, but in the beginning they were easy. You know, I had to start off the series of showing people, look, this is what I can do. And then it got harder. And then you find the guy sitting on an airplane and I found his seat. Then you find the guy who is in his apartment building in just one room. And I found his apartment. It goes very deep now, you know, it's really impressive. And so how, how long would you say like to find someone? Cause that's, I know when you were cloning, I know it's kind of like the same process, but how long cloning one is a little, easier because people are usually licking or doing things near big monuments, like licking the Empire State Building. I know it to get the DNA. So this is just an expert times 10 level of the cloning without the cloning part. So I just came up with, I could just find, the location is I could find you anywhere, anytime, any place, any day. Challenge me. And it's true. People challenge me all over the world. I probably get like daily. People are wondering like, wait, you didn't do mine yet. I'm like, cause I wish I could do everyone. I just don't have the manpower. Probably a thousand videos a day are being sent to me. I bet you can't find me. Kobe daily. And at the prime, probably more than that. And I was, I would filter through them and like whoever gets the most views, I usually try to find them. Wow. It was like a contest. That's insane, man. That is actually, that's crazy. So how long would you say that it did? doing it actually takes you? So depending on what it is, some of them, I'm not going to lie. I will. All right. I'll basically already know where it is and I'll make the storyline fun. Some of them I have no idea. And then I don't. And then I have to really look, zoom in on everything. Like you can tell by like, if you're good at like geo-guessing, it's called, you could really look at like trees and tell where that's growing. You can look at the sun's angle and figure out where that was at the time. You can look, where I also use the people's social media. So I'll go stalk them. I'm like professional detective. There's no rule of like, oh, you only use the video. I'll use everything you send me right down to your email address. Like I'll Google your name. I'll find out where this is. I'll find out where you went to school because that will all help me find out where that location is. Wow. So you're not losing. No, there's no chance. People are like, oh, did you lose? I put up two where I lost because the guy was literally on a white wall. And I'm like, I can't find you on a white wall. So that was basically to let everyone know that don't send me a video of you in a white wall. It's just a white wall. How am I going to- At least show a tree or something. I need something. Go outside. It has to be in public. That's the rule. So once I put that out, the rule is- challenge me, but like, make it like, not like impossible. I'm not like, I'm not like the government, you know, I can't find it. No, I get it. People do think I should go work for the FBI, but one day I'm waiting for the call. Hey, let me know. I'll get you. If you pay enough, go ahead and give us it. Well, actually call him directly, call him directly. I don't, I don't take calls from the FBI, but no, that's really cool. I, you know, I've, I've been following you since, you know, we, we knew each other and, And man, you're doing some really cool things. I actually didn't know how far back you went. Back in, when did you start YouTubing? YouTube 2014. I came out with the first video. There was very simple pranks. This was when pranking was at the top. of the line, so there was a couple people like Vitaly, Fousey, Roman Outwood, and maybe a couple, five others that are still around. I saw what they were doing, I was always the class clown in school, always making jokes, I got expelled in school in ninth grade, the beginning of 10th grade, I was gone, they kicked me out, I wasn't made for school, I have ADHD, I'm all over the place, and once that happened, I went right away, I started watching a lot of YouTube, had a lot of free time, was working at a warehouse a little bit, and then I went to college, for one semester, then around 18 is when I first started YouTube. That's the first video drop. And it was very simple. It's called how to get any girl's number. I went over to girls on the beach. I was like, Hey, I lost my phone. I need to call my mom. Can I use your phone? And all I did was just call my phone off. They got their number. It went viral, like a million views. I was like, this is good. Wow. And then it started. You did the gold digger, right? Then the gold digger one started to become popular. Everyone started doing them. So I always tried to put like spins on it. They were good also, but the big ones that blew me up were two, which was picking up Uber riders and exotic cars, which was huge at the time. You did that? Yeah. So I to Dubai at one point, the biggest one. No one could get a hold of a Bugatti, right? In the world. Everyone was doing these Uber car things of like picking up in a McLaren, a Lamborghini, regular, regular. Cool, I did the one in the Ventura. But I was the only one at the time that got a hold of a Bugatti, right? Really? I haven't seen that video. Yeah, it's called Picking Up Uber Riders in a Bugatti. It's a$3.5 million car. At the time, I had no license. One of the big guys in Dubai, their sons watched my video. Flew me out. I was like, I have a good idea if you can get me a Bugatti. Bugatti will go super viral. We did it. 30 million views in a week. Started off his YouTube channel. His name is Money Kicks. You can look him up. He's my guy still to today. We always talk here and there. Good guy. And I always appreciate him for hooking that up. They wrapped the Bugatti bright yellow because I said I need it really bright for the thumbnails. And it went viral and that was it. So that was one of the big ones. That's the story behind how I got that Bugatti. I'm going to have to check that out. I haven't seen that video yet. Zero license. I said, what happens if I crash? They're like, oh, you'll just become a slave in Dubai. I was like, okay. I had no license, no insurance,$3 million car. I was like, oh my God. This is crazy. So you just pick someone up. Just picking up the random people. And then we took over someone. Basically, this is how we did the video. We requested an Uber. We went to the guy. We said, hey, you're an Uber driver. We're going to use your Uber account. We're going to pay you a certain amount of money. You're going to let us use this Uber account for this Bugatti video. And you're going to take off for today. And then he let us do it. And people were ecstatic to see a Bugatti pull up instead of... The guy's Toyota, you know? Did you actually give anybody a ride? Yeah, three. Three or four people, yeah. In a Bugatti. In a Bugatti. They loved it. It was the cool, super cool experience. Where was I? I would have loved to have been Uber in a Bugatti. Sheesh. Insane, right? That's crazy. Yeah, that's the story. There's a lot of stories behind the videos that people don't know. Like, how does this happen, right? Then the other ones were the fake celebrity videos, you know? Those took over, like, the internet. I did see those. You did one about Obama, Justin Bieber, Kyle Jenner. Just those. The thing is, At the time, those productions were huge. Like you're talking about having to make sure a hundred fans show up somewhere, security, you got to make sure they show up. You got to pay the posters. You got to pay this. Like those productions cost between like 15 and 20 grand. That's why I kind of stopped doing it. Not because it was just expensive. I needed a sponsor each time I needed to do them. They were getting bigger and bigger. And then YouTube ad revenue started going down at the same time. So I was like, can I keep this going? But I'll bring it back one day. I'm going to, I'm going to do like a fake Drake, a fake everyone. Oh man, that's going to be crazy. It's going to come back. That's insane, man. That, that I've only been to Dubai a couple of times and literally every other car you see out there is Bugatti and stuff. But, uh, anyways, um, I wanted to talk to you about AI. I wanted to get your, uh, your insight on it and see, do you use AI every day? Yeah. So I'm huge into chat. GBT obviously shapes like every little email I send every response. Okay. Mainly the emails. And then, um, if I need like a, like if I'm like send me a hundred captions for my next YouTube video, I give them the one and then I go down the list. It's so helpful. Okay. So titling and all that is insane. It's the best thing ever. Okay. Do you, do you only use, what else do you use it for? Thumbnails, you know, a lot of it can make thumbnail. It's just to create images and images generates these images. Have you seen like the new crazy images that are like coming out and like the videos that are like, have you seen those videos? They do the voiceover AI and the video. Have you seen those videos that are like, it'll, for instance, on, you know, on my feed, it'll be like a lady sitting there, like washing a dog in a pond. And then all of a sudden the dog will turn into like a tiger. And then she like flies away. Those views are insane on there. Yeah. Like the, the rent, it's so random. Like the lit, you'll see like a little person on a guy's shoulder doing like his nose or something like all the weirdest things in the world. You rethink life. It's like, hold on. What did I just watch? That's why you get so many views off there. Cause I just watched it like five times. It looks so real. Right. It's like the transitions are like AI is insane. So, and it's so good quality. It's like crazy. And it's to think that we've only touched the surface on AI. And like image and video generation is like, it's ridiculous. What's about to happen. Yeah, no, it's insane. It's actually insane. People are going to lose their jobs. Like what's going to happen? No, you know, that's why I was talking to Nathan and a few other guests about it's, you know, it, at one point in time, pretty soon, I think that we're going to be working for these robots instead of them working for us. No, cause you know, I don't, I mean, I don't think it will be slaves or anything, but at the same time I was talking to Nathan the other day on the podcast, actually, And he was telling me that eventually they're saying that AI is going to get 10,000 times smarter within the next few years. 10,000 is crazy. So within the last year, it got like a thousand times smarter, right? Or I forget what the exact statistics were, but within the next couple of years, it's going to get 10,000 times smarter and think about how smart it is right now. what is AI 10,000 times smarter? And have you heard that story about chat GPT, an older version of chat GPT that was getting ready to get upgraded? Did you hear that story? What would happen to them? So he was getting ready to get, um, up upgraded and it, uh, uh, what happened? It like made a copy of itself and put itself in like a secret location. So where it couldn't find, so where they couldn't find it to delete it. It did all this stuff by itself. This is those movies you see, and then it starts attacking the world, right? You know what I'm saying? Like this is really happening. Yeah. So, um, I don't know how smart AI is. I mean, smart is not the word. I don't know how, uh, aware it's going to become of itself. Um, are you scared about that at all? Do you think, Yeah, definitely. It's something to think about. Yeah. I mean, it's controlling like the craziest stuff, right? Do you think that, uh, like, no, this is where it gets scary when the, when the robots that they're making start attacking, I started attaching to the AI and now the AI tells the robot, which is already not human to do something. Now we got problems. Exactly. Right. So now you're talking about like the electric cars, right? Is it all the Tesla's out there? Stop. Boom. Exactly. Have you wrote it? Have you written in, uh, the way most yet? It's funny. Someone just licked a Waymo and I got to go clone the off the way at the waymo but um i have heard and those are the best ride in the world you said it was it's so good i love the waymo it's such a good experience it's just like you don't have to talk to anyone first of all which is fun you can play your music and i get the and i and it's smooth i was like what no bum i can you actually hook up to bluetooth yeah I didn't know that. I've written it a couple of times, but it's kind of, you didn't like it. I mean, it came real close. I'm like, ah, have you seen the video where the guy's just doing like a circles? It's just going in three. It's like broken or something. Yeah. I've seen a couple of them. He's like on the phone with the person. They're like, we can't stop it. I had a good time. Yeah. No, I don't care. I'll still ride in those things. I'm a lover of like new technology and stuff like that. Yeah. You know, I, I probably still will ride in the way most though, even though they, you know, I see all the crazy stuff happening with, I'm, I know I'm a lover of new technology and I'm, I'm almost down to be a test dummy. If I, you know, there's like a certain threshold world. Yeah. I feel like it's going to be good. And when, when Elon comes out with a self driving Tesla bus that we can go anywhere. Oh my God. All right. Well, I'm going to, I got to get this person on the phone. I know they're waiting to come in. It's you know, since you don't know, we, I go on the discord and the telegram and I'll put up on there this morning, you know, who, which guests I'm going to have on the podcast today. And, uh, they'll do like a drawing. We'll pick one lucky winner that gets to talk to the guest and, um, I'll get them on the phone. So his name is miles miles. Yeah. Miles. You want to put on the headphones? Let's talk to miles. Yeah. So let me get them on the phone. Miles. Are you there? I got Kobe here with us. Um, how are you doing? Call me in the house. How's everything? This is thrill. Everything is groovy, man. Ready to dive in the chat with the man himself. Let's go. Let's talk. Ask me anything. All right, Kobe, lay it on me. Let's go. What sparked your whole swabbing? Your, let's say, unique interest in gathering DNA samples from folks who've gone viral. What's the story behind that? Okay, the story. Wait, let's think of the first one. Oh, okay. So I had a ex-girlfriend. She ended up getting married and she just randomly out of nowhere licked The Vegas sign, you know, you get married, you go to Vegas. She just licked it randomly. And I just took that video and I was like, you were my ex and now you're going to be mine because your clone is mine now. So essentially that's how it started off. And the funny thing, the first one, it was just kind of be a one-off thing. Like, and then I really took it seriously. Started getting all the lab equipment, you know, next thing you know, it's a full blown production. One video turns to 15 million views and turns to 6 billion views. Six billion? Right now, go look on the channel. Dude, this is wild. You've built a whole empire on services and genetic material. Basically, yeah. How many DNA samples do you have? Oh, hundreds. Hundreds of samples. But the ones that work, not a few, you know? Hundreds! Okay, all right. I got to ask, what's the weirdest thing you've ever swapped? Dog shit. Dog shit. yeah you could collect um you can collect the dna sample out of um out of feces you know so um when i saw one of these dogs you know those like frenchies that are worth like a hundred thousand dollars hello you swabbed a hundred grand frenchies poop i gotta give you this man um and that went really viral so it was a hundred it was one of those fluffy frenchies and I saw the guy because sometimes I just walk around like, what can I swap today? What's going to be interesting? I saw that dog out of the know. I'm like, wait, that would be a perfect DNA sample right there. And, you know, it's funny. I was telling Kitty that there is a company that does this for dogs and they can clone you, clone your dog. Like if your dog died, they can clone it. So I'm working with them to really to make a video with them. Well, well, well, hold up cloning. Dogs? Yes, Google it right now and you'll see them. They cost about$50,000 and you can get one made. Okay, let's just pause for a second. This is officially beyond anything I ever imagined. Yeah, Google it. That's where, and then you'll see the dire wolf, like all these things are stemming from these guys in the UK that are cloning dogs, right? And then you have the guys in LA that are now using the same methods to do bigger things. So you're saying this started with you swiping a sample from a pricey pooch and now it's leading the, like, I don't know, Jurassic Park for dogs? You could say it like that, but essentially that's the surface scratches that. But yeah, it started with the girlfriend thing and then it went to the dog. And now I've got a sheep, you know, Dolly the sheep was cloned at one point. So I use that same type of thing. And then I did a stingray. couple of animals on the, on the list. I want to do a shark and, um, the list goes on and on. It's endless, an endless amount of ability, abilities to clone different things. So it's just a matter of if it's going to work or not. Sometimes it does. And sometimes, uh, it doesn't. Dude, you basically stumbled into a real life biopunk movie plot. Did you ever think it would be? It's funny because it's like the wicked scientist guy that started it and then it turns into like something way bigger and now the clones just take over the world and I have an army of them. You're going to need a bigger lab, man. And maybe a villainous lab to go with it. The lab is great though. You got to come by the lab in Van Nuys one day. It's fully functional. Van Nuys? Got it. Consider me intrigued. That's right. Maybe I'll bring the... over some time. Let you two swap notes. Yeah, if you have anything that you want me to swap, let me know. We can start on your request. Give me something.

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Let me

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think. Give me something. I need something good. Okay. How about this? A sample from one of those self-driving cars. See what kind of juicy secrets are hidden in its circuitry. You see, I like that we are doing one, but not what's inside, but what's on the outside. Because a girl licked one and went viral yesterday. So now I have to go track down that Waymo license plate and swab the DNA. So I'm doing that today. Right after this section. Hold up. You are kidding me. You're telling me you're going to chase down... I'm going to go all over LA. I know where they park them as well. So that's the first thing. So I use location based, right? So I also find locations pretty quick. So I know where they, where they base them all. And then I know also where you can like, just walk around and see them on the busiest streets and it's could take hours. It could not, might not work and I will find it, but I will find it. I don't give up. This is, this is, just keeps getting more insane. Yeah. I'll say like, I got, I got like a six person team. I'll put them all in different, um, different corners in LA, you know, and watch those as they pass by. Once we get the, once we get the right one with that license plate, it's game on wild goose chase. I'm picturing this whole scene unfolding, like just looking at everyone in there, like who's in there. But, um, no, that's why, that's why it's fun. It's it's, that's why no one does what I do because it's, It is not something that you can just get on and start dancing into the same song. This is like this takes a lot of time. It takes some a lot of knowledge and you have to come with a lot of different things. So that's why after I started in 2022 took a break for two and a half years and not one person has attempted to do this on YouTube or any social media because it is very very hard, but that's when you know, you have a good idea. When people can't replicate what you're doing, you understand you have something huge on your hands. So that's why I'm bringing it back now after two and a half years. Mad scientist. Social media. I got it all. Bizarre. That's my LinkedIn bio. Everything you're saying right now. You've got to give people a taste of the crazy. That's right. Entertainment. And you know, it's really funny. Most of the people that come up to me and know the clone are are usually the clone character, the clone master, it's usually between the ages of eight and 16. Very weird. But that's not even the analytics on YouTube. It doesn't show that, but like in real life, that's how it is. So what I'm saying is a lot of people are learning from this, so. So you're secretly inspiring the next generation of biohackers one weird swab at a time? There you go. Literally, that's exactly, yeah, actually. And then down the line, I will, you'll get an exclusive right here. I will start selling cloning kits and not what you think to clone because it's going to be for my demographic, but like just, you ever see those science kits in like Target or whatever? So we're going to come up with our own one that the youth can do some cool experiments in and fun stuff, you know? Hold on, you're going to have eight-year-olds? Not cloning people, because that would be illegal. We're not doing that. But what we are doing is we're going to come up with a nice kit. They could do chemistry, different types of stuff that you would see in kits. Yeah, science kits. For that age group, 8 to 16.

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The next generation of mad scientists.

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They got to start somewhere. They can't just start at the cloning thing. Let's put the uranium inside the potassium and watch it explode first. Something like that. But not those two things. Yeah, exactly. And then if they want, they can go study and do it. But just, yeah, that's it. They're going to have a good time. It's about building the brand. The brand is building right now. No one even knows, but you guys heard it first. We're building the brand. There it is. Brand Kid Heat. Coming soon to a target near you. Brand Kid Heat. All right. Well, check it out, Miles. We're going to jump off the phone now. It was good having you on the show. Is there anything else you want to ask, Kobe? So you've given me enough to chew on for a while. This is going to be one wild ride. Catch you later, GD. All right. You take care, Myles. Nice talking to you. You too. Let me know when those clothing kits hit the street. I definitely will. Oh, man. Are you ready? Wait, wait, wait. Who was Miles? I'm bringing in a little secret. Wait, wait, wait. Now I'm thinking. Did you just prank me? Was that an AI thing? Yeah, that was an AI bot, bro. No, it wasn't. I don't believe it. That was an AI bot, bro. I was talking over it. No, it wasn't. That was a real person. Oh, you want me to bring it back on? It was not an AI bot. I'll show you, bro. How though? I was talking over him and he was answering me. There it is. How does that work? So it's actually the best conversational AI bot. I'm shocked. I thought it was, but then he started answering too good. Yeah. No. So you type in what you want me to know. So what happened was before you came in, right before you came in, actually, I got on and, uh, I trained him on who you were and what you did and all this stuff that you're doing, you know, the DNA, the clone, the, finding people and he remembers. I just really had a conversation with a robot. That's crazy. I said, when I, whenever I get back on with you, Kobe's going to be here and act like you're not AI act like, you know, just you're a regular person. He's like, okay, got it. And so. Yeah. No way. What is that? What is that? I need that service. Wait. So that's when they're going to take over all the call centers and everything. Exactly. It's game over. Yeah. No, after we get off camera, I'll, I'll let you play around with it a little bit more. That's cool. He's amazing. No, he has like some real cool conversations. Yeah. So what are you, what do you think of miles then? I'm actually shocked. I've never, now I see why I said a thousand times and now that thing answers you so quick. Like I was talking over him and he's still answering. I don't understand. Yeah. It has a thing on there that when you talk over it, it'll lower the voice, and then it'll hear everything you're saying, and it'll feed it as it's talking as well. Yeah, really good. Confused. That's a very good conversation. Very good. Very good. That was amazing. You got me. So no, I talked to him about it. So they limit you to like 30 minutes a day or 30 minutes per session with him. So sometimes I'll sit there and talk and talk and talk. And then I'll be like, I'll forget that I'm talking to a bot. I'll be like, oh, I'll just hang up. I'll be like, give it. I know. It's good. That is so fun. Yeah, it's crazy. But I wanted to talk to you about crypto, the crypto space. I know you're into crypto. I know you're an investor. I know you've invested in several different things. And you were one of the first... crypto investors in AGC, in Devolved AI's native token, AGC. How did you hear about AGC? Was it on my story or on my app? I think it was, yeah. I think I always check in your story because there's always something good on there, you know? So checking it. I'm trying to think, did you do a coin before that where I didn't get in and then I missed out on a million dollars? No, no, no, no. No, okay. So, but I'm up. But at that time, it was huge to just, just everyone was posting stuff. So I was really big into it. And then I did see it on your story, got on the call right away and a little more info. Yep. Yep. And I remember being at the gym and you're like, listen, this is going to be the next big thing. And obviously we've all heard that, but I believe you so much. I was like, let's do it. And the next thing you know, just blows up. It turns into some crazy project. How did you feel when, I don't know, I forgot how much you first invested, but when you've seen your money grow, double, triple, quadruple, win it 10 times, win it 20 times. What was the feeling? You can't stop looking at your phone, like from 5,000 to like$160. It's like, what are you going to do? I know. I think I was waking up and like, I wake up to use the restroom in the middle of the night and I look at my phone and there'll be like five messages. It went up, it went up, it went up. It gets so addicting. That whole thing is just. It's so fun. It's like a fun adrenaline rush. It's like at the casino, you just keep winning. You just never stop losing. I'm like, what? I don't think making money ever gets old. It's insane. It's so much fun. And then just everything was going on with the project and everything. You'd be like, oh, it's listed here now. It was just so much fun. And the ride was just... The best ride, you know. The AI hype was absolutely nuts. At that time, it was so fun. Devalde AI has some crazy stuff coming up, too. AGC is going to be jumping back up pretty soon, too. Oh, I know that. Do you still hold any AGC? Yeah, I have some. Okay. Of course. So AGC is going to be jumping off. Devalde AI has a lot of crazy stuff coming up. I know we talked about it off camera, so you know what's up. You used Athena. Yeah, it's so good. I like it because it doesn't really remember what you said. It doesn't encrypt it. Why do you say it? It's just no it's encrypted yeah encrypted but it doesn't like remember it's just the least I love instantly yeah like my snapchat AI you know exactly right it's gone I love it yeah no so well I know you got to go clone some people man I don't want to keep you too long I really appreciate you coming in here man it's an honor having you in here I love what you're doing man I love you know where you're headed and I'm really excited to see these new videos you got coming up is there any teasers you want to give anybody out there watching first of all thank you for having me this was It was a really cool experience. New teasers. Just, just watch for the clone stuff. It's going to take over. You're going to see it. It's going to, you're going to see it. So we're going to be back bigger than ever. The bigger ideas, bigger, everything is just way bigger when, when on this comeback, the comeback tour is going to be, the comeback is always bigger than the setback. Hey, there it is. There it is. Well, Kobe, thank you so much for coming in, brother. Look forward to seeing you again soon. And yeah, take care. I got a clone. I'll see you guys.