Beyond Burnout: Finding Your Mission After 40 (with Dr. Kyle Hulsebus)

Are you constantly exhausted, stressed, and feeling like you're just going through the motions?

The wellness industry will sell you a thousand ways to “manage your stress,” but my guest today argues they may be treating the wrong disease.

Dr. Kyle Hulsebus joins The MiddleGround Mic to deliver a grounded, no-BS diagnosis for modern burnout: what if the problem is not just overwork, but a loss of purpose, direction, and connection?

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Dr. Kyle Hulsebus / 40 Over 40:
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Free resources mentioned in the episode:
- 40 inspiring insights from 40 individuals
- 7 signs that you are living off purpose

Dr. Kyle’s YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/@DrKyleHulsebus

In this conversation, we dive into why a life driven only by duty can drain your soul, while a life guided by mission can have you working late into the night and waking up energized. We also get into phones, news overload, creating vs. consuming, life after 40, and why stress may be a signal that something deeper needs an adjustment.

This is not just a wellness episode.

This is a conversation about purpose, burnout, modern life, and what happens when your body, mind, and direction are no longer lined up.

CHAPTERS:

00:00 - They Sold You Stress Because Purpose Is Harder to Fix
00:45 - Is the Wellness Industry Treating the Wrong Problem?
01:00 - What Stress Really Means
01:09 - Distress vs. Eustress
01:21 - Symptoms, Disconnection, and Purpose
02:15 - When You Go Too Far Off Path
02:27 - Burnout, Blue-Collar Pressure, and the “Work Until You Drop” Mindset
02:42 - Duty vs. Desire
03:39 - Burnout as a Sign That Something Changed
03:45 - Joe’s Shift From Job Stability to Podcast Purpose
04:18 - Accountability, Over-Accommodation, and Modern Work Culture
04:36 - Losing Friends, Honest Conversations, and The Middle Ground
04:45 - Why Turning the Phone Over Actually Helps
04:48 - Dr. Kyle’s 40 Over 40 Framework
05:00 - Give Your Phone a Break From You
05:18 - Phones, Disconnection, and Real Life
05:21 - Why the News Is Designed to Trigger You
05:33 - Making Social Media Harder to Reach
05:54 - Detached Observation Instead of Emotional Reaction
06:03 - Example Over Opinion
06:24 - Action vs. Posting Online
06:48 - Create More, Consume Less
07:00 - The Fear of Posting Your Own Work
07:24 - Why Face-to-Face Connection Still Matters
08:00 - Why People Still Want Real Rooms and Real Conversations
08:33 - Gen Z, Voice Notes, and Relearning Human Contact
09:18 - Health as Whole-Being
09:30 - Why Life After 40 Can Be Expansion Season
09:36 - What Is 40 Over 40?
09:48 - “Life Begins at 40”
10:24 - Midlife Crisis or Midlife Signal?
10:33 - Purpose After Retirement
10:39 - Why 40 Can Be a Springboard
11:09 - Using Your Whole Life Story
11:30 - Why Nothing You Learned Was Wasted
11:57 - Holy Curiosity and Asking Why
12:15 - What to Do If You Feel Numb, Tired, or Stuck
12:18 - The First Step: Three Deep Breaths
12:36 - Why Breathing Comes First
12:54 - The Five-Year Question
13:03 - How to Start Creating the Life You Want
13:06 - Where to Find Dr. Kyle Hulsebus
13:09 - 40 Over 40, Free Resources, and Dr. Kyle’s YouTube

KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS EPISODE:

- The critical difference between eustress, the kind of stress that builds you, and distress, the kind that breaks you down.
- Why burnout may not always mean you are weak or lazy — it may mean something in your life is no longer aligned.
- How phones, social media, and news overload can disconnect you from real life while pretending to keep you informed.
- Why creating something can energize you while constant consumption drains you.
- How your life experiences before 40 may be the foundation for your next chapter, not proof that you are behind.
- A simple action you can take tonight: stop, breathe, and ask what you would love to be doing five years from now.

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Transcript

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They sold you stress because purpose is harder to fix. Millions of people in this country are exhausted right now and don't even want to hear themselves think. And it might not be because of they're working too hard. Today I've got Dr. Kyle Hospital, and he says America is treating symptoms while ignoring the real disease, directionless living. Dr. Kyle, thank you for joining the show. Introduce yourself to everybody a little bit about who you are. Well, just uh thank you very much. I'm Dr. Kyle Hospital, third generation chiropractor in northern Illinois. The family's been in here since the 40s, uh, taking care of lots of people. I also do international speaking. I write fiction, nonfiction. I speak the I I love to tell stories. The biggest story I tell is about health and human potential. And, you know, I I've created a lovely little thing to help people with some of their health issues called the 40 over 40. And, you know, I thank you today to to come on here. You know, especially we we call it middle ground where where I look is as you said, you know, purposeless living when we start seeing less purpose and we start to have a little bit more conflict more than anything. So I I appreciate the time to talk to you, to talk to the audience about a lot of these different issues where we might look at them from a perspective that you're not used to seeing. Yes, and like I was telling you earlier, a different perspective, I think, is everything because it it really gets your mind flowing, you know. Um Right. You know, you know, Dr. Kyle, did the wellness industry build a billion-dollar business around fixing the wrong problem? Because that's what it seems like. You know, at least to me and pretty much everybody that is not closed off. You know, I I'm I'm not a real good statistics person. So, you know, the the question to me is, you know, you know, yeah, is it is it this big billion dollar industry? And we talk about wellness. Are there aspects in there business-wise? Because we talk about fair exchange as being a healthy thing. I mean, certainly if you're you're putting stuff out there, it's great in some form to have fair exchange back to keep us going. But are we are we looking at goals? Are we looking at, you know, oh, I've got this symptom right now? What can I do immediately to feel better? And so you see this rise, the way I describe it is sort of this rise of therapies. And, you know, how can I be therapeutic to myself and still just kind of keep going? Uh in you sort of on that same line, we we have this discussion within chiropractic, like, you know, a small, a very small percentage of people actually go to chiropractors, at least regularly. And there's this whole, how do we increase that? And I go, well, you're really not going to unless you change chiropractic because we're not therapists. We're working on adjusting causes and removing interference and restoring communication. There's only a small percentage that go for that regularly because this is not an immediate gratification health care. This, I mean, it can be. There's certainly times where you're like, wow, boy, I feel so much better. Great. But to get back to what we would say restoring health, that's a long-term commitment in many things. And you see it. You see it with exercise programs, you see it with, you know, even weight loss programs. You know, one of my favorite ones is they go, okay, great. You know, you're going to take this pill and you have to do it for the next six months. And you also need to work out, you need to go to this group and you need to do this. And yeah, the work the weight loss is going to be good. And people are like, but I don't want to do that. I want the pill I can take. Right. You know, you you get this mix of things on, and then, you know, we have a great marketing and sort of sales sector in this on the internet, and I had to help you with that, to sort of keep you trying to immediately get over things. And then we've been taught to try to avoid pain all the time and and painful things. And there's certainly constant in the in the wellness industry, in the sickness industry, and in whichever sort of thing dealing with physical healthcare, you're going to see a lot of immediate gratifying things. You know, to me, it's more why why is the paradigm I'm lacking this from the outside in order to be healthy when it's really what's going on inside that's causing me not to adapt where I'm I'm expressing these symptoms. And we're not taught to listen to that. We're taught to, I have this, let me go have somebody fix it. My job, I feel 90% of my job as a doctor is to help educate and empower you in your health. So you don't need to constantly rely on me. Yes. And that's that's key. I mean, that's kind of like, you know, a mechanic, right? A mechanic's gonna fix the car. Well, an honest mechanic, which I think most are, to be fair. Most are. You know, you got a couple shysters, but most are most are honest. You know, they want to fix your car so you're not coming back tomorrow. Exactly. And that's how we should all want to be. You know, I my family doctor actually says that, you know, he goes, My goal is to make it so you don't have to come back in here as much. You know, and he to be, I think he's a, I think, and you might know this. A DO is a little bit different than an MD. Yeah, an asteopath is a little different than a medical doctor. Yeah. Very some similarities, but yeah, they look at it from a more holistic perspective, I would say. Yeah. And that's I maybe that's probably why I like the guy. He's a great guy, you know. But I think a lot of men quietly feel like what you're what you're saying right now because they're working, they're paying the bills, handling life, but they feel dead inside a lot of the times, you know, they're they're in pain, but because of their bodies, they work at a factory 10 hours a day. They're like, oh, the world hates me, and then the pain makes it even worse. You know, is that stress or is that a loss of mission, like the connecting we were talking about? Well, I you know, here's the interesting thing about stress. Let's let's look at stress. And then, and then when you really study stress, like stress, the the one of the best definitions I heard of stress is it's an inability to adapt to a changing environment. Yes. And then we go, oh, we feel stressed. I can't adapt to what's being thrown at me. I feel stressed. However, and then they talk about that being this stress, you know, bad, malicious stress. And then there's you stress, there's good stress, there's, you know, I'm challenged. I want to, you know, I wanna, I want to build a million follower podcast. That's gonna stress me out. I'm gonna lie awake at nights, but this is a stress that builds me up and sort of energizes me. See, different, different type of stress, you know, the stress of raising a child, the stress of of being really good at a game, this, you know, the these types of things you go through. Sort of you're going to, you're gonna go through the pain of the stress in order to build because it's inspiring to you. Um, at the same time, so people are like, oh, I have to find this stress, you know, the you stress instead of the distress. And I go, stress is neutral, stress is neither, because I can figure out how to make your distress you stress. And it's the same stress. So stress is just a thing. And the one observation I've had clinically with individuals is they all the time have the same amount of stress on them. It's a matter of are they expressing symptoms? Are they feeling overwhelmed? I have people that still go to the same job, the same place, deal with the same people, and they come back in, they go, Yeah, I'm not as sick, I'm not as stressed. And I go, but you're in the same situation. So, you know, when when Dr. Maxwell Maltz studied that years ago, the plastic surgeon, he was like, Why, why do some feel after I fixed their nose, they're beautiful, and others think they're still ugly, even though we changed everything? And he goes, you know, it's up here. And it's more, it's not even that we had to change the stress, it's that we changed our perception of it. And and, you know, like a chiropractor, we go in and we do a uh a specific adjustment to the vertebra on your spine to create motion, to remove interference of the brain's ability to communicate and connect with everything. So you have a more efficient, I use the word efficient, adaptation to your environment. You still have the exact same amount of stress. You have gravitational stress all the time. Gravity is working on you. If we send you up, they've done the studies on the guys on the ISS, they come back down and they have problems by not having that stress. They had different stress. They didn't have gravitational stress, they had non-gravitational stress, which caused them to decay a little bit. So you know, you you always have the same amount of stress. So when I talk about purpose and I and I talk about disconnection being the major issue, yeah, are there people going to work? And I've sat down with people and I've got, you know, every couple of weeks you come back in here and you have this recurrent problem. Now, A, maybe you need, you really need to go out and, you know, you got to join a gym or you've got to, you know, me adjusting you regularly is just the same as you going and get an Advil down the street every day. We're we're not, we're we're keeping it at bay, but we're not getting you to a level of well-being, a level of whole being where you're going, hey, doc, I come in once a month just as my wellness plan, just for general health care, not because I've got constant problems, but because this is just part of my overall routine. Great. That's what I'd love everybody to be at. But I start to look at it and I, and and some people go, Oh, it's just this job. Yes. And and I'll go, yeah. And I'll go, well, what about it? And they'll go, well, I've got to deal with this. Okay, so okay, what's the solution to that? And and when when we start to work on a different level, like I'll go into companies and talk because a corporation, the word corpor coming from Latin means body. So I did not know that. And so a corporation is is a condition of being like a body. And so that's why it's it's an entity, right? Legally, we call it an entity, the same as a human is an entity. So, but that's a limited liability, or it's a C corp or whatever it is. So that's a that's a body, and that has symptoms. And that's when they're like, oh, we don't have a healthy bottom line, we don't have a healthy workforce, we don't have healthy production. And I go in and I'll talk to executive boards and upper management and say, well, we've got to get everybody on purpose here because the first thing that happens is if your body is not in coordination with itself, we have to make an adjustment somewhere to restore communication, to restore connection with everything. So then it starts to express. But the symptoms will always come. We we don't go through there. There was, I forget who said the quote. I don't know if it was a comedian or somebody, but he said, if you ever wake up in the morning and you don't have any problems, then you better get on your knees and pray for one. Otherwise, it means you're dead. So, you know, we're out right. We're always going to have stuff that comes and goes. The the analogy I give, Joe, is you know, we we go down a journey in life, right? We'll go, we'll go right into the journey. And for the most part, we know our destination. I'm not talking about after we die, but we know death is the destination for the most part. We're we're going to have an exit to this life at some point and transition to something else, unless the longevity experts are right and then they're going to extend our lifetime forever. But we'll wait and see how that goes. Wow. Right. And so we don't make straight lines on our journey, do we? I mean, you know, you you and I were chatting and you said you just kind of started this show, what, a little over a year ago, but you were on a different journey, and then all of a sudden it's like, no, I'm gonna do this. And that might even be a tangent. I've had people, I had I had a guy who was a machinist in my office, and he comes in one day because he was we we had these discussions about purpose and he was feeling sick all the time and he had these things going on. He said, and he's five years older than me, and he said, Kyle, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna go back to school. I'm gonna child study early childhood developmental psychology. And I go, wow, that's that's different from running the machine a little. Right. That's a big change. So we go and and we have dramatic changes in life, but people are getting laid off right now, and they're going to find a solution. Whether that's going to be going out and begging for money, whether that's going to be going and getting a part-time job, whether that's going to be able to go, you know, F you, I'm going to go start a company, or they're going to work for Uber, or they're, you know, people are going to find a solution to their situation. And and there's a whole range of those. There's no right or wrong. There's there's where you're at. So when we go down this journey, we go off on tangents and we go back and forth and we have ups and downs. Um, you, you know, I people ask me, they go, Do you love what you do? I go, I love taking care of people. I love educating people. I love speaking to you right now and and talking about these things. But do I love it 100% of the time? I go, well, there's days where I get up and I go, I want to reschedule so I can just sit and read a book and watch the rain, man. But, you know, but I'm also going to go in and I'm going to, I'm going to go center and ground myself on a day. And I go, no, if I'm walking in this building, I'm walking in to give 100% to the people I'm with. And then I'm going to take time outside of that and say, all right, where, where am I going astray? And and how do I get myself back on the path? And I'm, and it's not so much that I need to be here all the time. I want to go this way. That's how you explore and grow. But if I go so far off that I'm lost in the woods, that's where you get people that, you know, like life coaches or you get people like me to adjust you, or speakers, or friends, or whatever, help say, hey, come on back over here a little bit. You're going way down this way. You're hitting an extreme. And when you hit an extreme, you almost need help coming back. And that's where, you know, you really start to see the health stuff show up. Because right, you know, when we when I ask somebody that's that's in a factory and I go, well, then why do you keep the job if you hate it so much? They go, Well, I got to feed my family. You know, I need to keep the insurance. I've, you know, got to get out of the house each day. And I go, okay. So, and they don't see another solution to that. So I'm going to adjust you and I can go, great, we're going to remove interference. We want to get your body working better. You know, oh, it was fun when I was 28, but now I'm 52. You know, I can adjust you and I can get your body functioning. We can create more efficient adaptation. And sometimes you need an adjustment between the ears, right? No, I mean, that's I mean that that mental part, man. You you like took the words right out of my mouth. So, you know, well, I mean, you know, we're told burnout means weakness, which is, you know, the American thing, you know, at least for us, I know growing up was work hard, work till you drop. If you don't, you're not a man. You know, that was, you know, us both both growing up in blue-collar towns. That was absolutely if you didn't think like that, somebody looked at you like no matter your job, they would look at what's wrong with you? You're not working till you can't stand anymore. Like, what is wrong with you? Yeah, and now we're in a different world. Yeah, and I mean, it and I don't know about you, but me, sometimes I like you know, you fight that internal battle, right? You're like, Am I doing enough? Am I doing too little? You know, you're kind of like you hear that parent or that era from back then in one side of your head, and then you hear that modern part. And I think that's where a lot of people they struggle. Yeah, well, the the, you know, and it's one of those things, you know, I'll pull from other mentors I've learned from, and they'll say that's the difference between between your desire, your duty. And your your duty is, you know, if you listen to Tony Robbins, where he says people are always going, you know, I should do this, I should do that, and you should all over yourself. That's the duty. That's why I should do that because that's what dad did. I should do that because that's what that's what mom did. That's what grandpa did. That's, you know, I should be this way. And people fall into that. You know, my wife and I have fallen into that, where we we finally sat down and we go, why are we doing this? You know, why and and you know, why? Like we're angry all the time, we're we're sick half the time, we got this going on, we start, you know, and we studied a lot, and we finally just go, well, wait a second, what is it, what, what is it that you know drives us to keep doing this and sort of torturing ourselves, but at the same time trying to do this? And do we really want to keep doing that part? And you go, yes, but only these pieces of it. Okay, how? That's the big question. How do I recreate so that's the way I can make it work? Do I need more education? Do I need more money? Do I need a different job? Do I need different connections? Do I need to get my body healthier? Do I need to, you know, change, change faiths? Right. I've seen people go down that path. Um, just all all these, do I need, you know, do we need to change our relationships? You know, that type of thing. I've I've I've had I've had acquaintances and friends that that have gotten divorced, not because they hated each other, but because they looked at each other and said, I want to go on a different path than you. Yes. And we're not going to be compatible, but we're still going to, and they work well together and they raise their kids and they go down different paths. But that fights against the social construct and the social norms when it comes out. But, you know, it's either it's up to you to be comfortable in yourself more than the society to be comfortable with that. Because there's always going to be parts of society I find that are going to be against you. I mean, I'm in a profession where, you know, my dad was practicing in the 80s when there was a boycott against chiropractic. You know, they they fought, they fought hard. My grandfather practiced for 13 years without 16 years without a license because they just wouldn't license you if you went to the school in Iowa. And he won that by suing for discrimination and winning. The, yeah, I mean, so you, you know, we've got, you know, we're like this profession with big shoulders type of thing. But at the same time, I look around, we look around at my profession today in chiropractic, and we go, no, we've we've got a lot of stability and strength here. We don't have the same war and in these same fights because we work with all the MDs. We we are members of all the hospitals where, you know, we we refer people back and forth. You know, you you you watch this adaptation and change, but we don't need to be stuck in duties. So you've got a lot of people saying, How can I serve people and still serve myself? And burnout, the way I view burnout is I go, burnout is really just a symptom of what you're terming it as burnout, because my grandfather worked for 50 years in a factory until he was 65, from 15 to 65. That was back in the depression coming in. And as far as I the discussions I had with him, this is my mom's dad, and it the discussions I had with him, which were he was a real quiet guy, but he just kind of went and did it all. And and you know, I meet people that go in there and they go, yeah, you know, we're doing these 10, 12 hour shifts, or they're doing their 40 awake and they brain their lunch with. And he just kind of did that for 50 years. And then he retired and he took care of his long, which he loved to do, and he built his house with his two hands when he was in his 20s and 30s, and and you know, raised two kids and loved being a grandfather, and and then, you know, learned to dance on retirement, and then they lived their life and he passed away in his 80s. And and he just asked much more than that. But you couldn't have asked, you couldn't have said, Don't you get burned out doing the same thing every day? And he would have said no. No. He wanted that. He'd he loved that because he did come from an era where he said, I want to be the guy that is gonna tell you. I think his father passed away and somebody needed to take care of his mom and his brother. Uh, that's a speculation, but I go, I think he just said, That's going to be me. And he did it. There were a lot of guys that went to World War II and said, I'm I'm gonna go get a job and serve my country and come back and figure out how to live life. Yes. That's that was my other grandfather. He didn't know what to do. He had he stumbled upon Palmer chiropractic, and they helped my grandmother. And so he enrolled. I mean, he helped people with different stuff. Um yeah, when I when I hear burnout, burnout to me is just why do you feel that way? Because you've been doing it for 20 years. What changed? Is it you? Is it the environment? I would say somewhere you're not adapting, or you've said this on the purpose I've given myself is no longer in alignment with my I need an adjustment. I can tell you right now, that is probably what has happened to me. And I don't even to be honest, I don't even think it was intentional. So, you know, when I started the show, you know, Yurgo, I had no idea what I was doing, right? I didn't even know if it was gonna be political. I like reacted to a music video. I had, you know, I was just I was like, I didn't know, right? I'm not like the generally I'm the guy like I lead. That's what I do in my professional life currently. So I I'm used to that, but I always leave from more of like the back end, right? I'm more of like I like to coach people, sure. I like to highlight what they're good at. I don't need all the stuff now to like my close family and friends. I might be like, yeah, that was me that really pushed in, but publicly I don't because I'm you know, I had somebody tell me they're like, You're way too humble, you know. And I'm like, I just I feel like I'm stealing their credit if I'm not humble, you know, like their their hard work. And so I always try to make sure I put that out there and then I started doing the show, and then I kind of started to find my groove, how I wanted to do things. And now a year later I'm going, I don't want to go to that job anymore. Is what I was meant to do for the rest of my life. Like now I look at my job and I'm like, oh my god, man, I'm burned out there doing that. But with this, you know, I can go work nine, 10 hours a day, come home, hang out with the family for a couple hours, and then I'll be out in my studio one, two o'clock in the morning, get back up six, seven o'clock in the morning. And I don't get burned out from that because it energizes you, yeah. And I'm going, I need to do this. If I was doing this full time for like my life, oh my god, it'd probably be even bigger than it is because I'd have more time to really get the nuances. So I'm in that process, right? And that's just you know, that really made me think of that stuff when you were saying it. Because a year and a half ago, I'd have been like, no, man, I love my job. Boom, I gotta get better, I gotta do this. And now it's like in my head, I'm going, I'm in a transition phase now. Yeah, because I look around. The world and 20 years ago, I was like, probably every every other 20 something. I'll never get phased out. I'm gonna work hard, I'm always gonna stay relevant. You know, this, that, and the other thing. Now that I'm in my 40s, I'm going, this is what they meant when the world passes you by at some point. Wow. Professionally, you know, because now and this is not derogatory to any of my bosses, I don't mean it that way at all. Just throwing it out there in case they listen, because I know they do sometimes, you know. I love you guys, but you know, they that they their their view of accountability has changed. I always you know, they they pander to people too much, and then they like to come back with why aren't people accountable? You know, like you were to like over accommodation, we call it. Yes, and then they don't, and then all they know is they gotta do is they gotta point the finger to get out of trouble. And I'm like, well, just because Johnny robbed the store doesn't mean it's okay that you did that. Like it doesn't excuse anything that you did. Like you're just as guilty because you helped him, even though you held the door open. Uh I'm just paraphrasing. Right, right, right. You were involved, you know. Like if you went to a court of law, Johnny may go for 20 years, you only go for 10 years, but you were right, you were right there with him, and now they go, Oh, and look at that. And I'm just going, that's not the world that I want to be in. It's it's just not, and I don't mean you know, that's how they're they view their business going. That's great. I've been with them hold on, 26 years. Okay. So, you know, I'm loyal to them, right? But you know, after so long, you just feel certain things are kind of like, you know, when you were talking about changing relationships. I'm not gonna lie to you, doc. I have lost probably four or five friends because of this show. And, you know, they're like, Well, you don't view something this way, or you don't do something this way, and I view this this way, you know, and and I'm like, listen, man, it's just about trying to have a conversation and just talk and be humans. And like 30 years ago, you could do that, you could sit there and have a coffee with somebody you vehemently disagreed with, and then by the end of the conversation, you're talking about the weather. You know, and that's where that like, you know, and that's what leads me into the you know, the news, the phone, right? You know, this one's gonna trigger everybody that depends on cell phones, okay? Because I'm one of them, all right. I I get it, and I try not to be, you know, a lot more these days. I will turn my phone on silent and then I flip it over so I can't even see the screen light up if somebody messages me or calls me. And that's because you man, and I have found I'm way happier that way. I don't do it all day because you know, technically in my professional life, I've got to be available almost 24-7, but it is what it is. But you tell people turn off your phone, leave the news alone. Why why do you tell them that just out of curiosity? Well, so here's the interesting thing. So when I when I so the it was sort of a random thing, we created this, I created this little series called the 40 over 40, which which we're relaunching and and we'll you know have all that ready to go. But I it's 40 tips for maximizing health and longevity after 40 years of age. And now, really, are these tips that can go, I mean, you could be any age and do these and follow these. You know, 40 was was a little arbitrary because we found the same thing with chiropractic. You you've got to be almost in your 40s or older to really sit down and go, oh, I want to pay attention to these now. I want to give, I want to give a little attention to these different types of things. And somewhere in there, one of the tips that I came up with was turn off your phone. And now my tips are little four to six minute videos, real simple to the thing, real simple little things for health. And I don't even say just turn it off and walk away and never talk to the thing again. It's more a matter of because it's these are all things that I've tried. And I said in the very opening of that, I go, give your phone a break from you. How often do you give your phone a break from you? You know, at the end of the day, you you turn your computer off, right? Right. You don't just leave it running all the time because you've you've got to let it power down, let the system cool down, the circuits reset, you turn it on, everything kind of works a little bit more. In my office, we're required to do that. In fact, if we don't turn the X-ray computer off, it will start giving us warnings that you have not rested this computer. And all it wants you to do is turn it off and turn it back on, and that's it. So I said, just go power down. This is scary for people. Power down your phone completely. Turn it off, leave it there, walk away for five minutes, go brush your teeth or something, come back and turn it on. You will be surprised at how it runs better. Give it a break. And and people, people can't, there, there are people that I don't know if they can do that. It's but what if a message comes through in that five minutes? And and some people, and I understand the same thing you said. I understand. I have I have people I take care of, I have acquaintances and friends. They run their business from their phone. The the the smartphone has been brilliant for people to be do entrepreneurship and side hustles and all this stuff. I think the phones are brilliant, but it's that old idea. We're even talking about it with with like the the GPT and the cloud and all that. Is don't let the tool control you. We don't want an automatic hammer that goes around and just starts to hit stuff as soon as our hand's on it. Don't let the tool control you. You control the tool, allow the tool to optimize what you're trying to do. Use it, use it for research, or use it for this, or use it to keep in touch with friends. But when I talk about disconnection, it's not even just disconnection from purpose. The phone allows us a certain amount of disconnection from from our lives and from from interacting. The same when I say turn off the news, the only reason I say turn off the news is the media these days is, you know, as you and I said it that we're talking about earlier, was you know, it's almost an entertainment. It's it's almost the weekly world news now all the time on how outrageous can it be. And the news is specifically designed to make you emotional, to get reactions out of you, because the more you're emotional, the more hyper-stimulated you get, the more you're gonna watch. And hopefully their sponsors, you're going to buy some of their stuff. It is a for-profit thing. It's not to say that all news is fake. It's not to say that all news is real. It's more that go watch news with a detached observance and be able to stir the pot and give yourself a little stability. I think if you're constantly overreacting to the news, you're wise to step back, turn it off, not watch it for a week. My wife's a great example of that. She was getting all up in arms. And then she just stopped watching news for three weeks and goes, I'm sleeping better. I mean, not angry with people in the daytime. I'm I I can talk about it. You know, I go, yeah, it's wild, isn't it? And and then on, you know, the first thing I did when I bought a smartphone, because I resisted smartphones, I don't have a lot of care for them, is I made sure to delete any social media apps and you know, do my best, at least where they're not going to be on there. If I want to check Facebook, I have to turn my computer on, log in. I don't even keep it logged in. Uh, I have to go through like I made it difficult to check. How's that? So I'm not getting a constant feed of news and information and all that all the time. And I can look at it and go, that's very interesting. Somebody posted that. And and stuff because you kind of see where here's sort of a normal, and I've created this baseline for myself. I can read something and go, that just does not sound true. I want to look it up. And I look it up and I go, there's a kernel of truth, but here's how they've skewed everything that that could be possibly the facts. And then I go back and go, oh, I see. But now everybody's sharing that and it's become gospel because oh, this authority posted it. And why would they lie? Because as we know, growing up in the 80s, there are no lies on TV. And now there's no lies on the internet. Oh my gosh. I I don't know if I don't know if you remember those videos that were out there where it would show like Abraham Lincoln saying something on the internet, and people would be like, oh, it must be true. Abraham Lincoln said it. Well, there's, yeah. I mean, and you know, there was the um, if you if you read the book Lies, my teacher told me, you know, what your American history textbook got wrong. The the author of that was a U.S. history 101 professor. And he says in there, he goes, Yeah, I, you know, he'd have people come in and they go, um, and one of the things people believed was that Abraham Lincoln was built in a log cab or was born in a log cabin he built with his own two hands. And I go, man, he was really magnificent. He was building buildings before he was born. Wow. Yeah, I just thought he was a really incredible guy. But but, you know, we're also going, you know, like, you know, you brought up something earlier where, you know, when we were chatting before we we started to record about, you know, World War II, Nazis, concentration camps, and that. And there's very few people alive that have a direct memory of that anymore. And and I know, you know, one of the other things is we take information that we read without having great context. And I think it's wise to be educated in it as many as as many young people are, but but also not emotional about it, detach from it to sit, observe, and go, okay, how are we seeing this in here? And what are the signs? And now, not am I going to be angry about it, and not am I going to dislike it or I'm going to like this person? But what actions am I going to take to actually create the vision I have so it doesn't go down this path? That's the disconnect. The disconnect is I liked this, therefore I follow this, therefore I support it. But is that an action you've done, or is that an opinion that you've put out there? Right. And I had this brilliant, I get this quote of the day thing, and I had this lovely little quote that came through just yesterday by Paolo Coelho that wrote The Alchemist. He said, The world is changed by your example, not by your opinion. Wow. And I thought, and that's and I knew you and I were going to record, and I said, that that is a brilliant quote, I think, for the theme of what you do on here. I appreciate it, man. Is what what examples can we give rather than I I you know we get on and we like all this, but but for what? So that other people can get views. Right. Um my friend, I I have a I have a dear friend. He uh uh his name's his name's Ike, he's got sandwich shops. If you're in an area where he's got them, go. I love his sandwiches. We'll promote him a little. Ike. I'm trying to get him to open in Illinois. So but Ike Ike is of Ike has Palestinian descent descendancy. And he's a U.S. citizen, he was born here, his family's here. But and and I I I watched on his feed one day where somebody got on his case for not doing all these posts and all these shares and all this stuff for the conflict that was going on over there for the the war. And he got on and he said, I have direct family there that's affected. I probably know more about it than you. But I've decided that it is wiser and more powerful to me to go out and educate people to empower themselves philosophically and through my business and everything else, so that instead of being angry about what's going on, we can actually change the paradigm so that we don't have to go through this again and bring people to just a higher level of consciousness instead of saying, Oh, I'm angry I shared this on my page. I didn't hear, I mean, that you're not wrong. I mean, that's and he and he teaches aside from owning sandwich shops, he and I know each other because we study philosophy together. Right. So, you know, that's how we met, and that's how we connect, and we chat philosophy, we chat business philosophy, life philosophy, Greek philosophy, you know, all sorts of stuff. And he's got stuff he does along that line to educate and empower people the same as I do. And and we've worked together on that. I mean, he, you know, so there's a difference between, yeah, I mean, you, you know, you like, you do all that, you see it come up on your feed, but what are you doing? You're scrolling. Are you really connecting with that? Or are you saying, I'm angry about this? Look at what's going on. And and not to say that there isn't stuff that could be documented on there. There's certainly things, but at the same time, what actions are you taking? I don't, you know, whatever people feel about uh what's her Greta Thunberg, right? She's, you know, the young lady out there. And it doesn't matter whether you like her or dislike her. She got arrested for being on a thing because she was trying to go out and make a change. She took action. She's not on the internet liking your stuff. She's not even posting. She's just like, we got to go do something. Right. And whether you agree or disagree with that, that's not the issue. Point is that she did actions. I can j I can look at her and say, these are the actions she's done. I may not agree with her actions. I may not agree with her vision, I may not agree with her outcome, but I can sit there and go, she took action. Yeah, no, and that's key. I mean, that's right. Action is everything. I mean, that really leads me into, you know, you say create more, consume less. Why does creating energize people while the consuming drains them? Well, so you know, you you know, and now create the the the go create something you love is one of the videos. But you know, when when you create, when you build something with your hands, or when you sew something, or or you write, you write a silly limerick, a dirty limerick or whatever, or you make a video and post it on your page, or you write your thoughts. Even if, even if instead of sharing somebody else's creation, go write your thoughts based on that and really dig into yourself and create, you will start to learn and grow yourself because I'll tell you what, I was I was creating these videos and and I've I've been on stage in front of many people. I have a degree in theater, I've I've performed, I've forgotten my lines in front of people and had to improv real quick and and feel very stupid and red faced. And and and I've done all this, but I'll tell you what, the first time I was creating a video and I was posting that publicly on the internet, I had a panic attack. I went, oh my God, all these people can potentially look at me and make fun of me. All these people can call me out on if I'm a fool. All these people, and and and it was something where I go, but I'm gonna do it anyway. And and I'm just never gonna read their comments if it comes down to that, because you know, in the end, I can read and get feedback from individuals, or I can read and just feel that there's people out there that say, well, I've got nothing better to do today than either boost this up and brain this down. And and I can go, okay, well, there's stir-the-pop people. I'm a stir-the-pop person. So I I can I've learned over time to detach myself, but you know, that's a skill too. There's there's a certain that's a different type of stage fright, right? You know, you make a podcast and you go, I'm gonna talk about non-controversial stuff that's controversial because of that. Right. People are going to because you said you've you've lost relationships. Yeah. You know, people come up. People I I said, I can't believe you would talk about that. Yeah. And you just go every time. Well, but you understand it it's it's about communication and it's about connection. So another another thing, I I guess I'm weird, Joe. I don't like drive-throughs. So there's a purpose for drive-throughs. If you're a mom, you're you're a dad, and you've got three kids in the car and they're in the car seats and that, and in order to go into your Starbucks and grab a coffee or order or do that, you've got to get everybody out. You've got to bring them all in, you got to do this, and you gotta drive-throughs are great. Right. Or you got a bunch of dogs or whatever. Drive-throughs are great. But I I for the so I don't have that challenge. So I and I don't even mobile order because I don't really like my phone. So I go into the the nearest coffee shop to me that I can easily access is a Starbucks. And and you know, if I have other stuff around, but everybody knows me by name when I walk in there. And I'll chat with them a little bit. It's I was chatting about recording on this with some of those, and they're just what are you up to today? Oh, I'm doing that. Oh, really? What do you do that? And I and I know everybody by name for the most part, and I I interact. I interact with them for three to five minutes, and then I'm gone. And, you know, I don't know, did I make an impact in their lives or not? But it's more, and and they they they get that sometimes where they chat with regulars through the drive-thru, but there's something about to me going in and talking and having them see me face to face that allows me to connect and I don't carry a phone in. And so I just chat with them a little bit and then I leave, or I observe all the people around me. I do that at the bank, which I think is even more important because all the people at the bank know me by by sight. So if somebody decides to go in to be me, they're gonna go, you're not this individual. No, I mean So to me, there's we we wanna we try to connect so hard. Like Facebook was designed to connect and stay in contact with your friends. Remember when you first got on and they'd be like, Your friend poked you. Do you want to poke back? Which seems kind of weird today, but and you had these little, you know, you had the little mafia game or whatever that I totally forgot about that mafia world. Remember that? And and you just, you know, every couple of days you'd get on and you go, Oh, I gotta do this. And and it was just a fun way to sort of connect with your friends, and you weren't sharing different stuff, and and we were actually connecting to an extent there. And you'd send messages and you'd chat, and you know, now it's now it's become a sales platform, which kind of I think it was destined to be. But at the same time, we found out when we shut down everything in the pandemic. My my good friend was asking in in one of our talks that he goes, Do you ever think the conferences are gonna come back? I go, Well, yeah, because the chiropractors are doing them. He goes, Well, you guys are outliers in healthcare. You guys are over here. He goes, I don't think anybody's gonna do it again because they know it's cheaper to do it online. They can do all this, and people can just sit in their homes and they won't have to spend money. And if you go to Vegas, the conventions are bigger than ever. They're sold out for years. And people go in there and they want desperately almost to have contact and communicate with real humans. And when I go to those, I don't see everybody walking around like this. I see everybody going in, like seeing other people. They'll check stuff and then go. But that that's that's the disconnect that I talk about. It's trying to connect too hard here and forgetting that we're we're here. Right. No, you're 1,000% right. I mean, if we had the opportunity, you I I would be in a studio with you chatting so we could go we could go get lunch afterward. I mean, that would be much more in limiting. But yeah, man, I I know we'd they'd probably have to kick us out of there and be like, hey, it looks man, y'all have been here a little bit too long. Get out. But any podcast I've guested on, because they're all digital, it's uh there there's a certain amount of where I've been live and in a studio with somebody, and I can shake your hand and I can, you know, we can read each other's body language, there's a difference there. And I'm seeing that in kids where they're they're not interacting as much. And and I see that in so when I start to see people, it's funny because while it is teenagers, it's usually like people in their 70s and 80s that are living on their phones. Like they're just, you know, here, let me send you this on Facebook. And I'm like, I'm right here. I've seen, I've seen a God, I don't know where the research was from, but it was saying that Gen Z is now actively looking for ways to disconnect, to join the world. There's a chunk, a big chunk of them that are like, okay, hey, I need to like I read that too. Break away. They want they want people, please call me and let me hear your voice. They need a voice message or send a voice note, even though that's not as much conversing. But instead of instead of a digital message, I can now hear tone, I can now hear your ups and downs. You can't read that in text. Yes. And we don't get the body language, but but at the same time, I'm I'm getting vocal tone. I can I can actually talk to you to an extent. And so, you know, one thing it's in my office, I'll get I'll get younger individuals to come work for me. And if you miss your appointment, there's no there's no text that says you miss. We call you on the phone. Right. And I'll tell you what, I 22, 23 year old and say, you've got to call these people and talk to them. And they go, What do you mean? And we go, pick up the phone and call and talk. And you find out that that after a couple weeks of doing it, they get real comfortable with talking with people. You know, we're a real interactive office as far as that. So it's it's kind of fun to watch those skills come and go. But that, yeah, you're right. The they're looking to disconnect from only talking to people digitally to to actually go back to what I call clinical. Yes. Speak speak in front of people and go talk to people. And I go into these Starbucks and I go into these independent coffee shops and everything. It's hard to find seats sometimes and they're sitting there talking. Yeah, and that's that's a oh my gosh, I've heard that about independent coffee. Shop so much is that yeah, you go into the chain ones and you don't see it. I mean, you see it, but not as much. But when you go into the small independent ones, it's packed with people just talking to each other. Right. And if I go to the city, people want to connect at the local ones. If I go to Europe, everybody, you know, I mean the the culture is if you go to go to a two-hour lunch in France and and just sit and chat and you know, they're almost offended if you don't drink. Yes. And uh, you know, they're the the it's still you still see it, but not to the same extent we do here. We've we've made it a digital culture. But that's that's a lot of the these because health is whole being a state of wholeness. That's where I think they start to feel that you know, is there greater purpose than this? Right. A lot of times when they come in and say, I've got anxiety, I go about what I mean the Lord knows these days just name it. Well then they and they they they sometimes they can't tell, they go, Well, it's just kind of general. I go, no, no, no, no, no. What is it? Tell me specifically. Don't don't beat around the bush with me. I have to make a specific adjustment to assist you. Let's make sure everything is in line, not just the spine, but the mind. Yes. And that is key. You know, thinking about like you just said there, you know, a lot of people think life slows down at 40. Hey, you know, I'm getting ready to make that change. But you know, you say you say that that should be expansion season, you know, with the 40 for 40. Explain that to people. So it it was it was really inspired, you know, it really started because my my the mastermind group I was in, they said, you know, Kyle, what's the average age of patients that do long-term care that really come in and say, I I want, I'm, I'm at a point where now I want to go in and really get my body in order. And I go, you know, really, it's probably about 45 to 55 years old. And and and I said, so that's where we created instead of the 30 under 30, we said, well, how about 40? 40 over 40. We'll have 40 things after 40 years of age. Because 30 under 30 is remarkable, but they do tend to be outliers. And we love following them. I've met several of them and they're they're amazing individuals. But I go, but then we get this majority, we hit our 40s. You've probably felt it. I of course I started it when I got into my 40s and looked around. And I go, man, I'm doing so much more now. And and so much more energized and having having all this stuff. So I came across is the internet's good at finding stuff for you after you speak. A quote by Carl Jung, and it was life really does begin at 40. The years leading up to it are just are just practice, they're rehearsal. They're, you know, I I go, that's interesting that that Jung said that, the psychologist. And I started to look and I go, you know, that that is interesting because by the time you get to your 40s, you tend to be a little more stable financially. Right. Ready to say, I can start to do stuff. That's that's when you first replace your roof, right? And and you and you look at your job and you go, I'm I'm pretty comfortable where I am in my job. I've probably got some, you know, you've got a stable position, you know, you've been doing it for 26 years. And you can go, yeah, I've got good stability here. Because without that, would you do the podcast? Because you need something to have a little floor. You can make a transition, you can be ready for that, but you've got good stability and you know I've got this and I'm solid in it and I'm comfortable in it, and I know I can grow if I need to. And if you sit and you find the alignment for that, great. You tend to be pretty confident socially in your social leadership. In your case, you started, you know, a podcast, but around here, and probably same where you're at, you know, there's people they've been in their bowling league and they got their bowling crew for a long time, or they got their soccer league, or, you know, or you know, the fantasy football guys are all together every week. So you you've got some good social stability, or if you're in a leadership position, you're running uh uh one patient of mine started a nonprofit. That was his big social contribution. And they've got a rucking group, so they're a lot of fun. And then you you're probably uh where you want to be in your relationship. That's where a lot of relationships cement themselves or they change. You you probably, if we got uh an attorney on here that dealt with that, they probably say, Yes, here's the average age of my clients. I don't know. I'm I'm right, but but I imagine if we looked at it, we'd find it's in there where you kind of go, Do I want to keep going? Because as Dante in in the very opening of the divine comedy says, midway through my life's journey, that's where he, you know, I woke to find myself astray on a on a strange road in a dark wood. And that's where he began his journey through through hell, through inferno, and through purgatory and then up to the empire in heaven. And and he said mid he was 43 when he started to write that. He was 53 when he finished it. And after after he needed 43 years of experience to be able to write his masterwork that saved the Italian language, the Tuscan language. The, you know, I started to look at that and I go, that's interesting. You tend to know where you are spiritually in your 40s. You know, you know a lot of of where you're going to stand and that you've thrown some stuff away or you start to question more, you get stronger in it. You've also done a great deal of learning, and maybe you know where you want to go learning. So it's midway through my life's journey. And if we say, you know, they go the average lifespan is in the 70s, I go, I take care of a lot of people in their 80s. I take care of a lot of people in their 90s. Think about that one. So this might not even be midway. You know, we we could be ready. They call it a midlife crisis. And and I think we call it a midlife crisis because we get here and we've expended all this energy to get to the point and we go, we're only halfway and we've got halfway to go, and we're not certain if this is the path we want to keep on. And that's that's where you know you see a lot of that industry, the self-help and goal setting and all that come in. And people go, what is going to be my objective? Do I really want to retire at 65? I mean, I just read about uh Guinness, the oldest uh neurologist. He was 103 when he finally stopped. He died at 105, and his wife just retired and she's in her 70s. It's a psychiatrist. And uh, yeah, I mean, he because why? And and my friend in California, she she went to her vet, her old school vet, and she said he's 72 years old, and he said, I'm expanding my practice. I need a bigger building. I can't, I'm so excited and love doing what I do. I can't wait to get up in the morning and keep doing this. And he's in his 70s. And so we've, you know, but if you're in a factory and you're going, I can't wait till I'm done. But I always ask people, what are you gonna do then? Where's where's your purpose? And 40 is a great time to start asking that question. That's where my patient that was the machinist, he said, This is what I've been wanting to do for years, and I've been worried about doing it. Now I'm gonna go do it. And then his wife, in fact, he just recently he told me the company his wife was at later off. And and you know what? She they were like, Well, we can do this, we can do this. And she said, I've really always wanted to do hair and and style and do all that. And he goes, Well, then let's do it, you know, whatever, let's go. And he's finally gotten comfortable where he's at. The kids are older. They're going. 40 is a great springboard in life. And ask yourself honestly, you knew all this at 20. Well, yeah. Could you have listened to it? Nope. I went through, I, you know, if you ask me, you know, I told people for years, I said, I'm never gonna do what my dad does. Never going to. I have no interest in doing it. I got a degree in theater, English literature, studied Buddhist philosophy. I was a travel writer, I ran a shoe company, I was bartending, I did copywriting, I've done fiction writing, freelancing for magazines and stuff. I mean, I've I've I've gone all over and I I don't even like shoes, and I ran a shoe company. That was hilarious. But it was, it was where my dad finally pointed out. And he said, Do you understand that that you're doing chiropractic every day without being a chiropractor? Because I was I was talking to people, people ask me questions, I'm educating them on principles because these things never made sense to me. And then he said, Well, you just go get the degree. You don't have to be bad. And and I'm I'm my own style of chiropractor. I've got I've got great giants, the shoulders of giants to stand on, great mentors in the in the profession that I've studied with. But because of my varied experience in life, I also get to be a very different style of doctor. And then I'm in here speaking today because of that. That's man, that's phenomenal. So one great thing that I ask people at 40 is look back at where you've come and where you are now and how you want to take all that and utilize it to go forward to what you want to be. Man, that is some helpful information. I ain't even gonna lie. Because it's not, it's it's not even, you know, one of the one of the weirdest questions I've ever been asked, maybe it's weird, is don't you wish you had never wasted your time doing all that theater and literature and all that and just gone right into chiropractic and you could have been a doctor and all this at 23? And I go, what do you mean waste? And they go, well, you never use any of it. And I go, how? How is it? It's not even possible that I could go one day of my life with not using everything I've learned that's made me who I am. You can see behind me on the shelf, you know, theater that I go to right up in here, all the different weird literature and stuff that I read. I got stuff in multiple languages because I I can't help myself. I have to study and I ran out of books in English, so I went to Spanish and Portuguese and Italian and Latin, right? Wow. I just I can't help myself. You know, I married a lady that speaks five languages. So I struggle with German. Exactly. Most of us struggle with English, so don't worry. I never said I was very good at that. I just know their books. But but I tell them, I go, I use my performance skills every day because I have to put people at ease and I have to have certainty in what I'm talking about, and I have to go in front of people and talk to them. And I have to tell them stuff they don't want to hear, and I have to tell them stuff they do want to hear, and I have to be able to present that to them rationally. And that comes from my performance and my theater background. And then I've got English literature, so I understand language and I understand telling stories and relating stories because ultimately I'm a storyteller. That's that's that's what that's what everything I do is, is because we talk, we even talk about it in chiropractic, how to tell the story of health from the brain cell to the body and back to the brain cell. I mean, I didn't think and so I and I Right. And I and I just sit there and I go, there's nothing I've learned in my life. Copywriting has helped me, travel writing has helped me, the shoe company helped me. I learned I learned all sorts of stuff. I I've learned some fascinating things about footwear, but I can just oddly enough, I can look at people and see stuff with their feet. And and that's helped me with people on different things that you wouldn't have think I'd I'd deal with a condition with. I bartended. One of the odd things I did bartending, I was 23, 22, 23, and I thought, I want to know where these liquors came from. I'm gonna I'm gonna study the history of them and and to see why they were created. And most of them are medicines. And as we know, we can take medicines and use them recreationally for effects. Right. Something's going too far, but yeah. But like whiskey comes from an old Irish phrase meaning water of life, because it was it helped revive you. That that's in fact growing up, if we had laryngitis, my dad would give you a spoonful of whiskey because that would that would help you. You know, better than cough syrup and stuff, because that that would suit you. He wouldn't give you a lot. But he'd do that little bit because that's what his grandfather did. You know, vodka comes from a Russian phrase meaning water of life. If you've ever been to Sweden, the Swedes have a thing called glug. And glug, if they they cook it, and that's like the stuff they use to help avalanche survivors, because that'll, you know, you get some good liquor going through you, it'll warm you up, it'll revive you. They talked about the chef on the Titanic. He was in the water bobby and he wasn't cold because he drank brandy. He had a flask of brandy he was drinking, you know, and helped help keep his help keep his himself up. Jaermeister, it was actually a digestive, and it was supposed to be drank warm in a snifter and sipped, and all the spices, kind of like Indian spice chai tea, is to help settle your stomach and help you digest the rich food afterward. But we found different uses for Jaeger. But yeah, you understand, I mean, that this curiosity that we call it, uh Einstein called it never lose holy curiosity. And so I had this curiosity about so now, you know, I look into stuff that people are doing and I go, huh, that's interesting. I wonder why we're doing that. And I look up the words and I look up the phrases and I look at the foundations of companies, and and you find out, well, they were created for this and we've transitioned here. You know, why? So, you know, you get to 40, look back at where you've been and and where you are, and and ask yourself, where do I want to go with it with everything I've been given? And how do I utilize that? And and do I want to stay where I'm at? Beautiful. You're on your path, it's your path. Nobody can insert the channel. Nobody can live the journey for you. Yeah, sometimes it changes, and that's okay. That's what I'm going through. I've been there. And you might go down the tangent, you might say, I want to know how I can come back to my job and still do this and make them work off each other. Right. Because that's a different challenge. But make sure it's energizing you, make sure it make sure it's important to you and that you're not doing it because I'm supposed to. Yeah. No, I mean, as we wrap it up here, you know, if somebody watching feels numb, tired, stuck. A lot of people feel that these days, what's the first thing they should do tomorrow morning? Morning. Besides obviously going to get your program. No, the first thing I tell everybody, it's the first it's the first tip I give everybody, you know, stop and take a deep breath. A deep, a deep abdominal breath. You know, oh god, I gotta go back. You know, stop before you even go to sleep. Not the first thing you do when you wake up, the the the last thing you do before you go to bed, still your mind. Take three deep breaths, deep abdominal breaths, just bring the air in, blow it out, and go, listen, it's just a day. It's a journey of the sun from the time it rises to the time it sets. That's called that's where journey comes from. I didn't even think about it. It's the progression, the word comes from the progression of the sun from when it when it appears to when it disappears. That's that's urinal. That's you're right, dia from you know, like uh dias in Spanish or jour in in French. And uh yeah, interesting stuff. So journey, journey, that's all it meant. Then we made it from the from the rising of the sun of your life to the setting of the sun of your life. Oh man. Isn't that interesting? Think about that. So that's right, that's what I get. And I'll I'll give you another real fun one before we're done. But the first thing I tell everybody is take three deep breaths. It's the first tip I give everybody because if you're not breathing, you're not living. I've never met a healthy person that didn't breathe. Touche. Touche. Because people are like, why? Well, you're a chiropractor, you should tell them about the spine. Spine's number 19. Don't worry about that. We'll get to the spine. I gotta get, I gotta get you, I gotta get you moving. I gotta get you financially stable. I gotta get you to have some objectives. And then I would, I would honestly say, look, you know, one of the later tips I give is vision and mission, but you know, sit down and go, in five years, just in five years, don't make it complex. Don't try to figure out how to change the world. Because the world is made of little things. Well, they said it's you know, most things are made by by decisions in small groups of individuals. And they're always small decisions. I mean, Sam Adams had an idea, right? And he got everybody together, and now we have a country. And, you know, it just it was just a small group that that created a lot. And so it is these small things, it's small adjustments that that allow you to change. So it's where where would you don't don't say, where should I be? Where do I want to be? Say, what would I love to be doing in five years? What would just energize me and I would love to be doing in five years? Start there. Right on. You want to go farther, go farther. Start there. But ask the question with that phrasing, what would I love to be doing in five years? Then you can figure out, once you know what you would love, then you can say, how can I create that? How can we start today? Yeah, I mean, well, where can people find your work at? So the the, you know, once it's launched, but you can you can get in, you can get a you can get our our fun little freebie, a couple of fun little freebies. I've got I've got 40 inspiring insights from 40 individuals, but I've also got you know seven signs that you're that you're living off purpose that you can look at that that's download. You can go to you can go to 40 over 40.com. That's 40 over 40.com, and you can get on there. You can you can put your email in to get that freebie, and we'll send you the link and you can take a look at those things. And when we've got the program available to be able to get on and and and listen to and watch again, you'll be on the list for it. We'll be able to get it. We'll have great discounts for you to be an early bird. Uh, the other place you can go to my YouTube at dr Kyle Holsebus. And I've got all sorts of silly videos that I've done from traveling around the world that will give you some insights into different words and different things I find of interest. Heck yeah. Uh all the links will be in the comments for everybody, just in case you didn't catch it. Or not in the comments, I'm sorry, in the description. I want to uh so I'll leave you with with one more word. So I study old English for fun, which is Anglo Saxon, which is it's not Shakespeare, uh, it's not Chaucer. This is way back. This is Beowulf, right? So this is the foundational English language that came from Proto-Germanic and is the foundation of our language today. So this has been a fun, fun journey for me. And in shoe, in foot care, there's something called a last. And a last is what they stretch the material over to create your size nine or your size 10 or whatever. And it's called a last. And now our English concept of the word last is the end, the last thing. But in old English it meant the track, but it could have been the last track. So, but but that that had something to do with tracks, and then you've got that for your foot. So we're actually we have a model of a track that we're creating a shoe over, right? Think of it like a mold. And then the word word in Old English, which would have been pronounced more like word, actually had multiple meanings because the the Anglo-Saxon people believe that every word had had a story behind it. And so it had multiple meanings many times. It was it was a little deeper than today. It's sort of like the Tao, right? Which is very deep. Now, the word word could have meant word, it could have meant story, it could have meant something like the news. And we use that today, don't we? We say, hey, chill, what's the good word? Hey, what's the word on this conflict? Hey, what's the you know, tell me the story, tell me the news, right? And we use that all the way, and then hey, what's the word for, you know, whatever when we need a synonym? So they had this concept called last word, the last word in in Anglo-Saxon. And we would look and we would think, what's this gentleman's, this individual's last words on their deathbed, right? But if last is track and then word is story, then really what it is, is it's the story of the tracks of their life. Now we can call that legacy, we can call that reputation. Now, I've interpreted it a little bit differently, because as Dr. BJ Palmer said, he said, you never know how far reaching something you say, think, or do today might affect the lives of millions tomorrow. Which is why we make one small adjustment one time on one individual, on one segment to remove interference, to allow you to adapt that's going to go out and cause a ripple effect to all mankind through the universe. And so that's chiropractic concept. So I took last water, and instead of just being your legacy, it's the it's the life story of your journey affecting the lives of millions as you go through it that you've left on your deathbed. And every single individual alive has a last water, has a story. And they don't know the effect they've had, but without them having actually interacted with anybody, it's another ripple. So remember that. You have that. I didn't think about that, man. Wild, isn't it? It is. I mean, that's some good insight. I'm sitting here like, okay, well, you know, that makes sense. That makes sense. It's it's it's like it's like Giordano Bruno's concept of infinity back in the 1600s, 1500s. And saying we have infinite worlds with infinite beings, and there's there's a world on the other side of the universe with the same type of beings looking over at us, wondering if we worship the same God as them. And there is no center to the universe. He got burned at the stake for that. But they honored him in the year 2000. There's a beautiful statue in the Campo de Fiore where he was burned. But yeah, he had that concept. I mean, it's you kind of look at it and you go, wow. You'd think we were beyond that by now. Yeah, but we aren't. No. Well, you But but we we was so my my objective with you today to share my stuff, but it was also to help make one of those adjustments, maybe one small ripple. And if somebody listening today had made one small ripple in your life that allows you to look at your purpose, I'm grateful. No, and I appreciate that, man. I mean, it definitely gave me a little bit of perspective, and that's always important. I love learning new things. I mean, that's just it's great. Well, Dr. Kyle, I appreciate you coming on. Uh, you know, definitely would love to have you back on, especially as you get closer to launching your program. They will figure it out. Yeah. Uh, you know, everybody, check out his stuff, 40 over40.com. Also, check out his YouTube. Like I said, everything will be down in the description. Dr. Kyle, again, thank you for coming on. I hope everybody has a good day. Yeah, I'd be grateful for the opportunity. Thank you. Thank you.