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We Are The Riverkeepers
What if every river - no matter where you traveled - was clean enough to swim in, drink from, and sustain life?
We Are The Riverkeepers is a powerful new podcast dedicated to protecting and celebrating the world’s waterways. Created with Richmond Riverkeeper Association and hosted by Presenter, Author and Storyteller Mel Bampton, this series dives into the essential role rivers play - not just in our ecosystems, but in our lives, our stories, and our survival.
Through thorough conversations with environmentalists, scientists, Indigenous leaders, artists, and activists, we explore both the beauty and the urgency of river protection. From the tributaries of the Richmond River to the great arteries of the world, we ask:
If the rivers could speak, what would they say?
This podcast goes beyond environmentalism to reveal how the health of our rivers is deeply connected to our emotional, social, physical, and cultural well-being. Clean rivers support biodiversity, secure drinking water, food supply, recreation, and climate resilience. They also offer something more intangible: a sense of place, purpose, and spiritual connection.
In a world facing ecological crisis, We Are The Riverkeepers brings hope, action, and connection. We’re amplifying the voices of those on the front lines of river protection and inviting everyone - you included - to join us in the riverkeeping revolution.
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Living with Risk: Life Beside The River with Elly Bird
The aftermath of catastrophic flooding reveals our deepest relationship with rivers. When waters rise unexpectedly, destroying homes and livelihoods, how do communities rebuild not just physically, but emotionally? Elly Bird, former Lismore City Councillor and Executive Director of Resilient Lismore, has dedicated years to answering this question.
This tension manifests in Lismore's physical relationship with the Wilson River (Marmon). Like many towns, Lismore has historically "turned its back" on its waterway, with buildings facing away and industrial uses dominating riverbanks. Now, as climate change brings more frequent and severe flooding, the community faces profound questions about its future.
Elly shares innovative approaches for flood-resilient communities, from "rewilding" flood-prone areas to mobile infrastructure that works with the river's natural patterns. She reflects honestly on the limitations and the potentials of both political action and grassroots activism in creating change.
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Roll on, roll on mighty river, roll on.
Speaker 2:Let justice roll down like water, like a never failing stream. Oh, what a beautiful vision. What a beautiful dream.
Speaker 2:Imagine a world where every river, no matter where you travelled, was pristine, a place where you could swim freely, drink straight from the source and witness thriving life beneath the surface. What if that world wasn't just a dream, but something we could work toward together? We Are the Riverkeepers is a podcast dedicated to celebrating and protecting the lifeblood of our planet our rivers. In collaboration with Richmond Riverkeeper, we explore the health, sustainability and future of waterways, from the local tributaries of the Richmond River to vital rivers across the globe, through powerful conversations with local voices, national advocates and global changemakers. We ask if the rivers could speak, what would they say? Broadcasting from Bundjalung country, we acknowledge that this land was never ceded. This isn't just a podcast, it's a movement. You, me, we are the River Keepers. No, don't be dismayed, my friends. No, don't be overcome. We're going to raise our hands up into the sky.
Speaker 1:My connection is to Marmon, to the river here in Lismore, the Wilsons River. I've been living in Lismore for 23 years now and when I first moved here I was working for the Lismore Lantern Parade. We used to do the finale of the Lismore Lantern Parade, which was my role on the banks of the river, which was my role on the banks of the river Always been very magical to me to be able to do ceremony and to do community on the banks of the river. You know we are so intrinsically tied to our river. My association with the river has also been strongly about flooding, the regular occurrence that we have here in Lismore when the waters come up and go down again. You know it's tricky to think about disaster resilience, community resilience, flood awareness and sort of living with the fear at the same time as we lean into celebrating and embracing and reconnecting, and so that's a tension that we have to live with.
Speaker 2:Ellie Bird is relentlessly passionate about community, with over 20 years experience in grassroots organising and eight years as a Lismore City Councillor. As Executive Director of Resilient Lismore, Ellie led the building of an organisation from the ground up that has delivered over $5 million in aid, repaired more than 700 homes, coordinated thousands of volunteers and fostered deep partnerships across government, philanthropy and the community sector. Ellie deals with the impacts of the river rising and falling on a community that must do the same. So where does that leave one's relationship with the river rising and falling on a community that must do the same? So where does that leave one's relationship with the river? And what is the better avenue to advocate for a river's health and for the people who live in its catchment A political path or people power on the ground? Ellie Bird joins us for this episode of we Are the River Keepers.
Speaker 1:Ellie Bird welcome. It's a real pleasure to be here and to be part of this big, important conversation.
Speaker 2:You're having Ellie. We know that the increased frequency and the elevated heights with which the river is rising is a result of climate change, like so many other places around the globe Increased rain events. The river has to bear the brunt of that and, of course, the spillover is on the community that lives in its catchment. As someone who is so immersed in the community, what is the overall feeling now towards the river?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think different strokes for different folks. Definitely, some people have turned their back on the river because of what's happened in our community. Other people have strengthened their connection and strengthened their commitment and strengthened their work to improve its health and to try to make sure that, as a community, we are recognising the importance of our relationships and our awareness of our river systems.
Speaker 2:I think it's good to focus on that from the perspective of the visuals of Lismore. You know, one of the things that's come up in conversation with these flooding events is that the town faces away from the river. In terms of that, how we have treated the river historically, from that industrial perspective, what do you think needs to fundamentally shift there and really, what can be done when you've got these, you know, long-term industries along the banks of the river?
Speaker 1:It's really challenging.
Speaker 1:I mean, I guess, just thinking on that point that you've raised there about the fact that you know it feels like we have turned our back on the river, that's a really common thing that comes up every time council, for example, does a community engagement process, it's one of the key things that come out.
Speaker 1:People are regretful that that is the case. People think that we have something really beautiful there and we should be connecting and celebrating and embracing it there, and we should be connecting and celebrating and embracing it. And you know, potentially, potentially, that's the answer to what you're asking there, which is we do need to find a way to shift our places and spaces so that we are seeing it often, celebrating it often, celebrating it often, being with it often. And perhaps, until we do that, it continues to be a bit of an out-of-sight, out-of-mind thing for so many people. How do you move from existing use along a riverbank? We're really constrained by existing use in our planning structures, for example and example. And yeah, we have polluters on riverbanks. What are we going to do about trying to trying to move them?
Speaker 2:it's very difficult because you know most cities or towns or little villages that have some form of waterway, there'll always at least be a cafe you know that you can go to and it's the one where you know that you can sit on its deck or inside and you can be looking directly at that. So it's not just the visuals, but it becomes a whole lovely experience when it's related to having a lovely meal or it's catching up with friends, which is really when we go back to, you know traditional ways of being with the river. As auntie rhoda expressed in her episode of we are the river keepers. It's really about how we gather by the banks. You know a modern version of that is a cafe. So, in terms of planning in Lisbon specifically, if somebody wants to do that, what are the kind of obstacles that they're going to be faced with?
Speaker 1:Well, this is the wicked problem that we now have in Lisbon, which is that we have had a catastrophic disaster and a catastrophic flood event. So the likelihood of securing planning permission for an enterprise like that right on the banks of the river, where we have to take into consideration climate change, variables around rainfall and increasing heights of floods, I don't. I think it would be a challenging thing to achieve development on the riverbank. If somebody wanted to achieve something like that, perhaps they have to be a little bit innovative and think about different models. Lismore potentially has an opportunity to embrace mobile infrastructure more than other communities perhaps. So outdoor cafes, food trucks, those sorts of things that might be more achievable than a bricks and mortar facility on the riverbank.
Speaker 2:Let's talk about that innovation point, because that's something that the Living Lab as an organisation has really been trying to foster over the last couple of years, which is, rather than let's shift the whole city, which is one conversation that's been happening it's been very largely focused on innovation and potentially putting Lismore on the map as an innovative floodplain city, and there are many examples that we've been able to see at the exhibitions that the Living Lab has hosted over the years of other places in the world that successfully live beside or even on the water. What would you like to see in terms of, if we had all the money in the world and we had an incredibly innovative council? What's been your dreaming about Lismore in terms of innovation and how it could be, perhaps even a global benchmark for river people like us?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, look, I really acknowledge the good work that Living Lab have done and there's some great visions in the work that they have put together. I am excited by the concepts of Aboriginal-led land management over in North Liz Moore, for example, really reclaiming that space, leaning into the Banyan Bagam restoration and plantings work over there so we could really, you know, look at what a rewilding almost of a flood bank flood zone might look like. So I think that would be a really beautiful thing to see that it, north Leesmore, becomes an environmental jewel in our crown. I think that would be really fantastic For me, look, I'm someone maybe describe me perhaps, as a visionary pragmatist the other day.
Speaker 1:So I am inherently pragmatic in everything that I think about. I really want us to be prepared for living with flooding events of scale into the future. But I recognise the challenges of moving a flood community and if you say those words out loud in our community, you will often get quite vigorous opposition. So I think our opportunity really does lie in when we live with this risk. What does living with risk look like? What does being a mobile, adaptive, flood resilient, well-planned, well-designed, retrofitted community look like, so that, when the floods come, community look like, so that when the floods come, we can just wash them out and get back on with it.
Speaker 1:Now, if I had all the money in the world, I would be reducing residential housing on close to the flood basin in the floodplain, but I don't see that there's any reason that we can't look at how we continue to use this space, particularly within the CBD. I don't think. I think we can continue to use it in a way that will serve our communities into the future so just say we had less residential on the flood.
Speaker 2:what does that look like for a city when a lot of their conversations for cities around the world has been more about bringing residents into the city so they stay alive? What would be that essence of life? Would it be that ultimately, lismore becomes such an amazing sort of tourism beacon and I think you used jewel in the crown of floodplain living or floodplain life? What would that look like to ensure that it was a lively place that could draw people in with less residents?
Speaker 1:Well, that is the wicked challenge, isn't it? I mean and I suppose I'm not proposing less residents, but perhaps we could retreat to the hills, like Lismore itself. The flood basin is quite tight, it's a fairly small footprint and it's surrounded by hills. It doesn't take long until you're driving up a hill and out of the flood waters. I definitely don't have the solutions to what it might look like if we had less residential homes in that space, but I would dearly like to see some of the homes that are in the highest risk areas and I guess that's what is being attempted with the resilient homes and the adaptation and the buyback programs Some of those highest risk areas with the houses not there.
Speaker 1:There's a very wicked challenge of what we then do with the land that is left behind. And is it, you know, riverbank urban agriculture? Is that something that could be explored? Urban agriculture at scale in a way that somehow protects the business interests of whatever the agriculture industries are that go in? The solution is definitely not community gardens, because you can't put this stuff all back onto the community and expect that we're going to become the land managers for those spaces. I think rewilding is definitely something we should be looking at if we end up with all of this land, how do we actually lean into bringing habitat back and making increasing the access to to nature that we have within our landscapes? And, yeah, how do we look at at flood resilient use, as these are the the existential challenges that Lismore has ahead of it in the long term, but fundamentally, even without knowing the answers, I think we need to have the courage and the capacity and the willingness to consider and to continue to work with what that might look like for us.
Speaker 2:As you're speaking there, ellie, I just have you know such a clear vision came to mind of having this regional city that existed, and it existed with all of these flood adaptations that we're talking about and innovations that continue to become more innovative with technology and awareness and perhaps becomes that global beacon.
Speaker 2:But then it's also situated within these rewilded spaces. So it's the city in the forest that perhaps restores those wetlands that other guests have spoken about, that were the absolutely essential filtration systems of the river of marmon, that prevented black water events, that kept that organic matter where it should be and made it really valuable for those ecosystems. For the layperson, it doesn't sound like it would potentially be that difficult. When we're looking at rewilding things, we've already got the precedent of how those things used to function, similar to what you were talking about happening in North Lismore. So what are the challenges to say that seemingly simple idea of rewilding this land? Where, say, the buybacks are happening? What are some of the challenges that are getting in the way of that simply being a very common sense way of proceeding?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, I don't think we're at the solutions stage yet. I mean, lots of those properties have empty buildings still on them. So the challenges that I can see that lay ahead of us are merging of property so that larger lots become created, created. I think one of the challenges there will be the willingness of the state to continue to be the owners and managers of that land. We already see in some of the responses, from the Reconstruction Authority, for instance, that they are looking to the private sector to support the implementation and the delivery of these programs with, for example, people purchasing homes to relocate.
Speaker 1:So, in terms of what we do with all that land, one concept could be that remaining households acquire the land around them but then it becomes the responsibility of the property owner. I think you know the vision that we're just exploring here of rewilding certain areas of the city still requires state management and oversight, and then it requires the funding and the physical land management to maintain it. We know, even from the efforts of land care networks, for example, that you know none of that stuff comes without effort and funding and money and interest. So, as well as probably the planning constraints around how we actually merge parcels and do the design that is required so that we don't get a you know, we don't get negative outcomes. We then also need the willingness and the courage to set forth on a fairly long, long journey of that nature and the vision, I suppose, the ability of state governments, local governments and communities to embrace a vision like that and then to courageously work towards it all together.
Speaker 2:Well, you're certainly no stranger to needing the kind of patience that comes with bureaucracy. Having been in local council for some eight years, Tell me about that moment when you decided to take, you know, what was already obviously a motivating factor for you, which was wanting to, you know, be with community support, community post the 2017 flood event and earlier than that, when did politics start to make most sense to you as the avenue that you felt you could have the greatest impact within?
Speaker 1:It was probably during the height of the Gasfield Free Northern Rivers campaign, really. So I worked as a regional coordinator for that campaign for the last five years or so of it and I was able to witness and experience the impact that communities can have when they organise and when they run strong campaigns like that, and I also saw very clearly that ultimately, the decision makers are the people sitting in in the rooms and the halls of politics. So community definitely has a role to influence and to politely request and to encourage political leaders to make decisions, but then it is the political leaders who are the ones making those decisions. I've always been someone that has firmly believed that change. You know, change requires people on the inside as well as people on the outside. You can't achieve change purely from pushing externally. You have to have people inside the system who are willing to willing to embrace change and push for change as well.
Speaker 1:So I suppose that was the motivator for me. I could see that, firstly, that that the sphere is sphere of politics is so incredibly important in terms of progressing visions and outcomes and and making our places better. But then you need people within it who are willing to support you in those visions and also believe in making places better. So that's why I did it. I stepped forward bravely and perhaps a little naively, to be totally honest, in wanting to continue to make this a better place. However I could, and the role presented itself to me, and bravely forth, I stepped- I don't think the brave element could ever be overstated.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think so many people could not step into that arena, particularly when you are really trying to change the status quoos, which is perhaps how everybody goes into it, or maybe they're trying to protect the status quo.
Speaker 2:But it's an interesting juxtaposition when you look at activism.
Speaker 2:So often activism is about the activism against political choices at any kind of level of governance local, state or federal and then citizens coming together to stand up for what they believe is right or not right. Then, when you step into the political sphere as an act of activism, just going I need to take this activism further, and then you step almost into the opposing side, even though, of course, government should always only be an extension of community, but it's always under such a push-pull tension. Having done your time as you did, what are your sort of takeaways for those people who really want to have a voice, who are sick and tired of shouting from the outside about the rivers that they love, about the environment that they love, who then feel it's time for them to now start shouting from within? From your experience, did you find that that was as adequate a tool as you hoped it would be to facilitate change, or do you find that having the activism remaining on the outside of politics is just as, or perhaps more effective?
Speaker 1:Good question. So there's a couple of things that influence how successful you are. Obviously, if your team is the winning team and you have a majority or you are in government, then your ability to actually influence things is greatly enhanced. So it does come down to sort of the political organising that goes ahead of those elections that then influence whether or not you're able to have influence once you are elected.
Speaker 1:I don't know that there is a one is greater than the other kind of space. I think it is all part of the continuum of political decision-making and change and change, and so activism and well-organised and thoughtful and respectful campaigns are really critical to supporting politicians to make good decisions. So if there is energy outside of I'll just keep using the word chamber, because that's my experience in the council chamber so if there is energy around an issue, it definitely helps to make the decisions on behalf of the community. It's when that energy is missing that it becomes more difficult. Both are super, super critical. And then you know the activism whether or not it's successful really does depend on who holds the power.
Speaker 2:So what I'm hearing in that is that it's really all of those places. Both of those places are very, very valuable and it really comes down, I suppose, to the individual what their stamina is for either, whether the stamina is there for politics or the stamina is there or the stomach is there for sort of citizen activism. And wherever you are best positioned inside yourself is the better path to step into, regardless of what sort of comes from that. So I wanted to speak to some of the wins. I mean I know that being in local council is always a struggle, but some of the wins that you felt that you had in those eight years that around environment particularly, and maybe there's some even specific to the river itself that you look back on and you go. I was so glad that I was in there to be part of that, even if the result wasn't necessarily what you would have hoped for at its apex, but that you were part of the conversations.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so while I was at council, I was really proud of the work that I was progressing in the climate resilience space.
Speaker 1:We were really working towards climate resilience policies and climate resilience strategies. Unfortunately, you know, the pendulum may be swinging back in that space and it's possible that I will see some of that good work undone, which is a bit of a heartbreaking thing. But I guess I have learnt one of my big lessons from the eight years that I did spend on council is a that change happens really slowly and often so much slower than we would hope it would when we are citizen activists. So an understanding of the, the timeline of change and the fact that those governments are essentially the titanic counter. What does it take to shift the titanic right? It's on a very, very long, slow, cumbersome journey and we're trying to sort of inch it over a little bit from the outside with our little tugboats.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I was really proud of the climate resilience work that we were doing. I'm super proud to be in the chamber and to be there when Councillor Eakins led the North Lees-Moore handback motion, which again I think is another very long and very tricky thing that's happening and personally always fighting really hard to try to improve flood planning policy. But I guess you know change is incremental and it takes time and it's hard, and particularly in local government where there are so many challenges and so many constraints and so many obstacles and hurdles to overcome many constraints and so many obstacles and hurdles to overcome. Sometimes, when people would ask me that I was like, well, I think you know, my greatest success was actually incremental change towards financial sustainability, which isn't very, isn't very sexy really, but that's the work I was pretty proud of.
Speaker 2:Coming back to your work on the frontline of community, though, that 2017 flood gave birth to Helping Hands and then Resilient Lismore with the 2022 flood.
Speaker 2:You have really been right there at the coalface of community and doing that outside of government support, of government support and I imagine a lot of that was in reaction to not wanting to be slowed down, that after eight years, you were probably chomping at the bit in many ways to just do things at the kind of pace that individuals and private organisations are able to do. You're going into people's homes. You've been helping directly with the Two Rooms Project to you know those initial stages, just getting houses back to a livable state. So you're really seeing people in that moment after this natural disaster, which is directly related to the river, but the river just bore the brunt of a significant rain event what is the overall feeling, do you think, for people with the river? And, of course, it's going to be, as we've spoken about, highly individualised. But the people who want to stay and have stayed is there inherent love for the river? Are they at their heart as a community, river people? That's a very good question.
Speaker 1:I think what I would say there is that I'm aware of many people who have been working hard to come to peace with, and live alongside and reconnect with the river.
Speaker 1:I think, to be totally honest, the people who lived through the 2022 disaster, particularly the folks that had to be rescued honest, the people who lived through the 2022 disaster, particularly the folks that had to be rescued from their homes, a lot of the folks that are still living there. If they could, they would probably leave, but not everybody can leave. It's not simple. The financial constraints and so forth that go along with owning one of those homes are significant in some circumstances and people can't just sometimes can't just make a decision to pick up and leave without having significant ramifications on their personal financial situations. So I'm not sure that there are many people who have made the decision to stay freely. People who could have often sold up and left, people who aren't are still there. Some people love their homes and they love the community and they love this place and they've weighed up the options and made the decision to stay, but it's a complicated decision for most people.
Speaker 2:Have you seen an influx of new people who've been coming in and willing to fill the spaces and the vacuum?
Speaker 1:Yes, there are new people who have come in and purchased and again, I think sometimes that's a little bit market driven. So for people who are willing to sit with risk and manage the uncertainty, it's often an investment decision. You can still buy a fairly cheap housing in Lisboa, so you can buy into the property market and get yourself on the way. And yeah, and then there's other people who have purchased without really understanding the risk, which is surprising. It's a complicated and difficult situation that our community, our floodplain communities, are living with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it really is. I mean, the Lismore story is one that just sort of keeps peeling back the layers in so many different aspects culturally, politically, socially, financially, all of those things. Which is why, you know, these conversations are just so important and the relationship that we have with the river is so important, whether we're in Lismore or anywhere in the catchment. They're really practical level, those recommendations to other people, those people who really do have the energy still to engage with the river. That's beyond their own survival, because so many people are just simply trying to get by. But those people who still have the verve maybe new people have come in who have the energy, broader organizations and individuals who really want to just get in and help and go. You know what? The Richmond River and the Wilson River, these are rivers in trouble and I've got the energy to help. What are the most significant and efficient ways in which we can do? You think we can do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I guess, if I frame it in terms of you know what are the things that we could do that can also address that challenge, the exact challenge that I've just been expressing of you know a bit of a fragile community that still lives in a situation of high risk. We're focusing on riparian restoration. If we're focusing on trying to improve the health of the river, let's think about doing that in a way that also improves the health of our community. So let's bring people together, gather people together, provide opportunities for us to have that connection that so many people are craving or perhaps don't even know that they're missing in their local neighbourhood.
Speaker 1:So how can we provide opportunities for healing by coming together on the banks of the river and working on that restoration? How can we try to invite our broader community into the restorative works that we are undertaking so that you know, while we are doing that environmental repair, that we can be healing community at the same time. You know it's tricky to think about disaster resilience, community resilience, flood awareness and sort of living with the fear at the same time as we lean into celebrating and embracing and reconnecting, and so that's a tension that we have to live with, isn't it. We have to think about how we make sure that we are ready and that we are living in a way that respects the volatility of our river systems, but that we simultaneously strengthen and care for them. So yeah, definitely a lot of challenges for our community moving forward, but I look forward to more community celebrations on the banks of the river. That's one thing we can all be sure of.
Speaker 2:I love that it's the environmental and mental health repair that always happen in relationship with each other, and somehow we've just forgotten the importance of being proactively engaged with our environment and that that action going outdoors is fantastic, but that next, deeper layer to that is actually that proactive engagement literally getting your hands dirty, if you've got the energy for that, and simultaneously doing the healing, which does lead to a really great moment.
Speaker 2:To highlight River Fest, which is happening in September, which is really all about that that bringing together of all the different stakeholders and community members to come together and actually celebrate, leaning on each other, remembering that we're not alone. And perhaps, if the greatest gift of everything that these rivers have taught us over you know the last, however many years and decades, it's that relationship and connection is key. I've got one last question for you, ellie, again one that I ask all of our guests, which is from the time that you've spent with the river, all the times you've probably spent in the river doing all kinds of work and pleasure and play and all of the things. If the river could speak, what do you think it would say?
Speaker 1:If the river could speak, I want to say. I think the river would probably say oh sorry, Sorry about that, but you know, it's just who I am and this is what happens. I change in nature, I come up, I get stronger, I get bigger, I get wilder, and then I come down again. Take care of your hearts as you live amongst me and beside me. Yeah, but sorry about that.
Speaker 2:We're going to raise our hands up. If you enjoyed this episode of we Are the River Keep keepers, we'd love it if you could share it, subscribe, review or rate us wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts. This project is funded by the australian government through the emergency response fund and administered by new south wales reconstruction authorities, northern rivers recovery and Programme 2022-23, delivered by North Coast Regional Landcare Network in collaboration with Richmond Riverkeeper. The beautiful opening and closing song is by Luke Vesela, called Roll On Mighty River. This is more than just a podcast. It's a movement. You, me, we are the River Keepers.
Speaker 1:Give us strength as we go. Let justice, let justice fall. Roll on, roll on, roll on mighty river roll on you.