The Future of Health Optimization: Molecular Hydrogen Therapy with Hydro Heal

In this groundbreaking episode of the Go Higher Podcast, I sit down with Dr. G, Mick Emandi, and Dr. Yelena Petkovic from the Hydro Heal team to uncover the transformative power of molecular hydrogen therapy. We dive deep into how this science-backed, non-invasive therapy is changing the game in health, wellness, and performance enhancement—from elite athletes and high-performing CEOs to everyday individuals looking for better sleep, mental clarity, and longevity.

Learn why molecular hydrogen is being hailed as “the missing element” in modern biohacking and why experts believe it's more effective than red light therapy, cold plunges, and IVs. Discover how Hydro Heal’s cutting-edge devices are offering unmatched cellular rejuvenation, reducing inflammation, and even supporting neurodegenerative recovery.

Whether you're an entrepreneur, wellness enthusiast, med spa owner, or simply curious about the next big thing in health tech—this episode is packed with insights, real-world results, and the future of functional medicine.

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Presented by Daniel Walton (@yourpropagandist)

Transcript

0:00: Yo, what's cracking. 
 0:01: This is Daniel Walton, and this is the show for those who don't believe in limitations. 
 0:04: So if you're ready to be better than you were yesterday and hit new levels mentally, physically, financially, or spiritually, it's time to go higher. 
 0:11: Yeah, very exciting episode. 
 0:13: We got Doctor G and Mick Emandi here on the podcast. 
 0:18: They're bringing some very revolutionary technology that I'm super excited about. 
 0:24: I'm very into health, you know, ex-college athlete, did wrestling, took health to the highest level. 
 0:29: Like possibly that you can, and I've always been fascinated by biohacking, by, you know, functional health and, and all these different things that you can do to improve your longevity, improve your health, and more than anything, as, as an entrepreneur, improve my, my performance. 
 0:46: So why don't you guys kind of give us a breakdown? 
 0:50: What, what are you guys doing over at Hydroheel? 
 0:52: What is the Hydroheel and how is this device, you know, impacting the health and wellness space? 
 0:57: Thank you. 
 0:58: Go ahead, Mick. 
 0:59: Yeah, so I got aware of the technology a few years back and it was primarily dominant in Japan. 
 1:09: Where most of the hospitals have hydrogen inhalation devices for their patients. 
 1:14: It's a standard protocol for a lot of patients with cardiovascular disease and stroke, and even their ambulances have hydrogen machines where if you've been called to your home for a heart attack or stroke, they're gonna put you on hydrogen on the way to the hospital to minimize the impact of that emergency situation. 
 1:33: And I personally tried it. 
 1:35: And I had such a phenomenal reaction to it, whereby, after doing it for just 20 minutes that night, I slept like a baby, I slept for 4 hours, it felt like I slept for 10, and the next day I had such clear cognitive function. 
 1:51: Such mental clarity and such energy that I literally got almost a week's worth of work done in a matter of hours. 
 1:59: And at that point, when I saw all the clinical studies supporting how hydrogen is able to help in so many different metabolic disease states. 
 2:08: I basically took it upon myself to spread the word among all the physicians in the United States. 
 2:15: Love that. 
 2:15: So you're saying you can sleep for 4 hours and get the equivalent of 10 hours' worth of sleep, when, when you're, you're connected to this hydrogen therapy? 
 2:23: I'm speaking myself, yes, for myself, that's what I normally do. 
 2:27: I don't normally sleep more than 4 hours a night. 
 2:30: I usually jump out of bed. 
 2:31: I don't have any. 
 2:32: Alarm clock. 
 2:32: I don't take any kind of stimulants and anything, and it works amazingly for me. 
 2:37: I, I would add to that that if you, if a person were to utilize molecular hydrogen inhalation prior to sleeping, that they would sleep more soundly, more robustly, more deeply and wake up with greater energy. 
 2:50: In exactly the way that sleep is intended. 
 2:53: Well, much deeper REM sleep, I think that's where it all boils down to, if you get much better REM sleep, it really doesn't matter how long you're actually have your eyes closed. 
 3:03: It matters how much deep sleep you're actually getting. 
 3:06: Right. 
 3:06: Yeah, it's all about REM sleep. 
 3:07: That's something I, I'm aware of myself. 
 3:09: I can tell when I don't hit that deep sleep, when I don't have those dreams that I just wake up feeling a lot more tired than usual. 
 3:18: So, Doctor G, what exactly is going on in the, the human body to, I guess, have this, this effect? 
 3:24: How does this work from a science perspective? 
 3:26: Well, first of all, thanks for having us on the podcast. 
 3:29: We're humbled and honored to be invited. 
 3:31: And as for, as far as mechanism of action, it's multifactorial. 
 3:36: you know, in the past, we had this whole idea of one disease, one cure, or one pathway. 
 3:41: And what's super interesting about molecular hydrogen is that it affects multiple pathways along multiple gradients and it creates a synergy and enhancement of all of your systems to repair, restore, and optimize over an arc of time. 
 3:57: molecular hydrogen. 
 3:59: And at its core is the gasoline or the fuel necessary for our body's cellular engines called mitochondria to function appropriately. 
 4:09: So these little engines, these mitochondria, they require a specific type of gasoline to create human gasoline called ATP or adenosine triphosphate. 
 4:19: That's the energy that we utilize, the currency that we utilize that we derive from oxygen and glucose over the arc of time. 
 4:28: So the mitochondria, these little engines are responsible for creating our energy, but they themselves need energy, and that energy is hydrogen. 
 4:37: Our mitochondria are literally hydrogen fuel. 
 4:42: Machines. 
 4:43: So where, without hydrogen therapy, like where are we naturally getting this? 
 4:47: How, how, how do we naturally get that hydrogen that we need to stay alive and function? 
 4:51: Sure, that's a great question. 
 4:52: So apparently when the human organism was designed or created, there was significantly greater hydrogen available in the atmosphere. 
 5:00: And so our bodies are actually designed to utilize or The magnitude more hydrogen that is currently available in our atmosphere. 
 5:06: So to say where are we getting the hydrogen, we're not. 
 5:09: We're getting it in incredibly suboptimal and sub physiologic amounts. 
 5:15: And what's fascinating about it is when you allow yourself to have appropriate exposure to molecular hydrogen, almost immediately, you will notice. 
 5:24: Measurable improvements along gradients and areas of your life that had been lagging in the past. 
 5:32: And, you know, if you complain about something like, oh man, my sleep sucks, I'm just gaining weight, I have a lot of fatigue, you know, one of your friends can say, well, you're just getting older. 
 5:42: What do you think was gonna happen, right? 
 5:43: And the reality is, is what's actually happening is, is we're missing a key critical element in our body's ability to repair, restore and. 
 5:52: Optimize over the arc of time. 
 5:54: And one of those key critical elements is molecular hydrogen. 
 5:58: Wow. 
 5:58: So you said there's, you'll just notice things as you age start to not perform the same way. 
 6:04: Like, what are the main things that, you know, from this, this molecular hydrogen, what are those main areas of life that it's going to affect as you age and as these start to deplete the levels that they're normally used to? 
 6:16: Well, I'd say cognitive function and brain fog, you know, this is just an artifact. 
 6:20: of time, right? 
 6:21: And people say again, oh well, you're just getting older, you know, it's the way it is. 
 6:25: But what they're really saying is that age is much more than a measure of just the passage of time. 
 6:29: It's a measure of the disease, dysfunction, degradation, and destruction that all of the pathways of our body that we utilize to create what we call life start to become impaired, your thinking, your ability to calculate, your ability to respond, verbal fluency, your ability to recover from work at or just a stressful day at work, you know, all of these things. 
 6:48: Require energy, all of that energy comes from one source. 
 6:52: That source is the mitochondria. 
 6:54: And so by enhancing the body's mitochondria, you are enhancing every single system in your body that requires mitochondrial function. 
 7:04: And what are those systems? 
 7:05: Every system. 
 7:06: Wow, I'm gonna have to order one of these devices from you, Mick, for sure. 
 7:10: Speaking of ordering them, what, what is the best place to get these? 
 7:12: If like, are you selling these to homes or where, where are these devices? 
 7:15: Where's Technology going? 
 7:17: It's going everywhere here, Daniel. 
 7:19: We are using the technology for my own patients across the country, primarily for my oncology patients, my patients with neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, dementia, and we're basically working first on slowing down the progression and in months 5 to 7, would you say Doctor Carter, regaining cognitive function for people that are previously diagnosed as terminal. 
 7:40: Yeah, that that's accurate. 
 7:41: And here's the fascinating thing about that, you know. 
 7:43: The dark ages of the 20th century, when I went to school and my search engine was the Yellow Pages, we were told, oh, once neurological tissue is damaged, it cannot be repaired. 
 7:52: That is a complete total fallacy, and we decode the human genome in 1998, we progressed, biology goes from an analog technology to a digital technology or an information technology. 
 8:02: It doubles every unit of time. 
 8:04: Today, we now know that when you can supply your body with the tools, the fuel, and the instructions to repair. 
 8:11: You can repair almost everything in your body, including neurological tissue, and as it specifically relates to neurological patients in mixed practice, patients who have things like Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, dementia are all experiencing slowing, stopping, and in some cases reversal of these previously debilitating diseases for which there were no hope for the patient or for the caregivers of the patient, the family members of the patient. 
 8:36: Wow. 
 8:36: So it's really, it's really quite astonishing. 
 8:40: That's powerful. 
 8:41: And you're saying these, these are noticeable within 5 to 7 months, or how, how fast are these? 
 8:46: That's an average. 
 8:47: Oh, OK. 
 8:48: I mean, obviously, it's gonna be how deep is the patient in their own end zone and how intensely is the patient utilizing the therapy and what is the constellation of other therapies that the patient is utilizing. 
 8:58: You know, there really isn't one disease, one cure. 
 9:01: There's multiple pathways to disease states and then therefore, there's multiple pathways to enhancement. 
 9:07: What we're suggesting is, is that one of the main key critical elements that we completely missed in the 20th century was the role of molecular hydrogen in the human body, which wasn't even truly discovered until about 2007. 
 9:22: And since then there's been about 2700 clinical studies, give or take, that show how on every system your body can benefit from appropriate physiologic exposure to molecular hydrogen over appropriate doses and time frames. 
 9:36: And so, you know, it wouldn't be appropriate to say in every single case for 5 months, the patient's going to experience role reversal of their neurological degradation, but. 
 9:44: That's what we're seeing on average. 
 9:46: Is that fair? 
 9:47: Yeah, that is. 
 9:47: So it's gonna depend on how severe their neurological degradation is. 
 9:51: And then you also mentioned how intense their, their hydrogen therapy treatments are. 
 9:56: That sounds kind of intense to somebody who's never done this before. 
 9:59: What is an intense hydrogen therapy? 
 10:00: Is it, is it, do they have to do workouts like what exactly is that? 
 10:04: Yeah, it's super easy. 
 10:05: It's actually Similar to one breathing oxygen, except it's a different gas. 
 10:11: So if you ever ever seen people inhale oxygen, obviously the machine is totally different and the technology is totally different, but because we have oxygen in our air, those oxygen machines are just concentrating the oxygen that's in the air already and then delivering it to you at a very high volume. 
 10:26: Whereas when we're making hydrogen, we're taking water. 
 10:29: Which is primarily distilled water and we're using an electrolysis process incorporating rods that have a substantial amount of platinum and titanium. 
 10:38: And through this electrolysis process, it's like turning this water into gas. 
 10:42: H2O is water, then when it's turned into gas, it's turned into H2 and O and the O dissipates through the top of the machine, like we have here. 
 10:52: And the hydrogen is channeled through the tubes here so that you can actually breathe it just like you would oxygen. 
 10:59: I have a tube here. 
 11:01: That I can show you real quick. 
 11:02: Yeah, you have the actual device right there. 
 11:04: So pretty, pretty small. 
 11:05: Like you could fit this under your desk. 
 11:08: You could fit this pretty much at any clinic, any office space, anywhere. 
 11:13: This is, this is a little coffee table actually. 
 11:15: It's our other machine's sitting on top of, but it's not small and so you just put pour water into it and it and run it. 
 11:22: Yep, yep, it's running right now and the size a little cannula here, just put it here and you put it over your ears. 
 11:30: And that that's it, and you're in therapy that quickly, right? 
 11:33: And so by intensity, I mean the dosing of this is, is calculated based on all of the clinical studies. 
 11:39: This particular device is delivering what's called 600 mL of molecular hydrogen per minute, which, which is an appropriate physiologic dose. 
 11:47: And so the longer that the person allows themselves to be exposed to the molecular hydrogen, the more thoroughly there are 38 trillion cells. 
 11:55: are going to experience saturation through the alveoli of the lungs, the bloodstream, and then by extension, the rest of the body. 
 12:01: Yeah, and when it does get into through the lungs into the bloodstream, the plasma of your bloodstream is carrying to all the trillions of cells throughout your body from your head down to your toes, right? 
 12:11: And the first thing that it does is it works as a super antioxidant. 
 12:15: So all the toxins, all the chemicals, all the pesticides, seed oils, and toxins essentially. 
 12:22: That are in our body triggered the formation of free radicals, and these free radicals take over our body and destroy our healthy cells, and they do something called oxidative damage, and that oxidative damage leads to inflammation. 
 12:35: So that's why we take antioxidants to basically suppress or neutralize these free radicals. 
 12:40: Unfortunately, we have billions of free radicals being formed every day. 
 12:44: And the one capsule of vitamin E or vitamin C that's an antioxidant doesn't destroy billions of free radicals as an antioxidant. 
 12:53: So hydrogen with its dosing is able to generate as much and if not more antioxidants in just 15 minutes of breathing it in than you do have as far as trillions of cells in your body. 
 13:06: So you're actually able to generate more hydrogen molecules inside your body in 15. 
 13:11: then you have cells in your body. 
 13:13: And for that reason, it's a significant concentration of hydrogen that's able to scavenge and neutralize all the free radicals that we're generating every single day to suppress oxidative damage and inflammation. 
 13:25: So that's the first thing that it does, and one of the great things that hydrogen does is because it's a conduit for an antioxidant, there's no other really wellness tool that's out there that can compete with hydrogen. 
 13:37: There's nothing else that does it. 
 13:38: I mean, glutathion, IV would be comparable, but how many people go to can get a glutathione IVV every single day? 
 13:46: Right? 
 13:46: That's impossible. 
 13:47: Yeah, I mean, the IVs cost 100, 200 bucks a pop per session, and they would need to do that. 
 13:52: You're saying every day to get a incomparable therapy. 
 13:56: 1 15 minute session on this is equivalent to having a glutathione IV. 
 14:01: So hydrogen and activity. 
 14:02: So as far as. 
 14:03: The, the hydrogen, it's fuel for everything that happens in the body and it's also natural antioxidant. 
 14:11: Exactly. 
 14:11: So you're not just getting the anti antioxidant effects that some of these other supplements might be getting, but you're also just fueling every other function in your body and it's benefiting from that. 
 14:21: That's exactly correct. 
 14:23: So one of the things that's fascinating is in the 20th century, we were told that all reactive oxygen species are bad. 
 14:30: Therefore, we need to carpet bomb the body with these antioxidants and so, you know, they come up with, you know, trillions of pills, you get a vitamin shop, you get a wall of confusing color. 
 14:39: You have no idea what to do, and you just, you, you buy something, you, you throw it at the wall, you see what sticks, maybe, maybe you feel something, maybe you don't, right? 
 14:46: Well, what, again, when we decoded the human genome in 1998, we discovered that, hey, you know what, a lot of these reactive oxygen species are not not only not harmful, we need them. 
 14:57: And if what we do is we with wanton abandon start carpet bombing the body with these nutritional antioxidants, we're actually interrupting appropriate cellular signaling. 
 15:07: Now, what's fascinating is the two most harmful free radicals are hydroxyl radical and pyroxy nitrate radical, and hydrogen selectively targets only the two most harmful reactive oxygen species, leaving. 
 15:23: The reactive oxygen species necessary for appropriate cellular function to do their job. 
 15:27: That is incredible. 
 15:29: Yeah, that is. 
 15:30: So how is this different than, you know, like hydrogen water? 
 15:34: I mean, that that's blown up over the last year or two. 
 15:37: What makes this different? 
 15:38: Why not just do a hydrogen water bottle? 
 15:40: Do you want that you want me to? 
 15:42: Yeah, I've answered this question 1000 times. 
 15:44: I'm pretty much used to it. 
 15:45: People say I'm doing hydrogen already. 
 15:47: I've had this hydrogen water bottle. 
 15:50: I don't know if it's working, but I just feel pretty good and whatnot after a few weeks or months of taking it. 
 15:55: And they're talking about what everybody else is experiencing, right? 
 15:59: They, they think it's helping, they don't know how much, and the real answer is this. 
 16:05: Hydrogen water has a very, very minuscule amount of hydrogen, about 0.8 mg of hydrogen. 
 16:10: Now, when you breathe in the hydrogen through the hydroheel device in just 15 minutes, you're getting in excess of 750 mg of hydrogen. 
 16:19: You divide 750 by 0.8, you can get to a number around 930. 
 16:24: So, roughly almost if you did 20 minutes, it'll be well over 1000. 
 16:29: So in 20 minutes, essentially, breathing this hydrogen inhalation device, a hydroheel, you're getting over 1000 glasses of hydrogen rich water, and for that reason, you're able to have substantial benefits right away, and you feel much more energetic within a matter of 12 days, you have much clearer cognitive function. 
 16:52: You have amazing sleep and you're able to just get more done in less time and to recover faster too. 
 17:01: Yeah. 
 17:02: So then, I mean, you've been in this space for a long time, Doctor G. 
 17:06: I've been a health enthusiast for decades now, make you as well. 
 17:11: You guys have seen lots of miracle devices come and go. 
 17:14: Would you say that maybe these hydrogen bottles? 
 17:17: Might fall into that category of like, is, is it more gimmicky and they're not getting the full effect that they need to be getting from hydrogen therapy. 
 17:27: But I would agree that they are not getting the full effect from hydrogen therapy. 
 17:30: It's not that the molecular hydrogen water bottle isn't working. 
 17:33: It's doing exactly as advertised if it's a, if it's a real bottle, right? 
 17:38: Just doing it at 1000 times less. 
 17:41: Efficiency than inhaling molecular hydrogen molecules through an inhalation device at appropriate dosages and flow rate. 
 17:48: So in terms of, you know, just, just, just think about it, brother. 
 17:52: You would have to drink greater than 900 bottles of appropriately dosed appropriate quantity molecular hydrogen water, perfect hydrogen water to equal 15 to 20 minutes of 600 mLs of inhalation. 
 18:05: Absorbed through the avioli of the lungs. 
 18:07: I mean, I'm almost 60, dude. 
 18:09: I don't know if I've ever drank 900 bottles of water in my entire life. 
 18:12: Yeah, that's a lot. 
 18:13: So what you're saying is the, the hydrogen water bottles, they work, they're doing what they're claiming, it's just for the therapeutic benefit, it's nearly impossible to achieve a therapeutic benefit through hydrogen water consumption. 
 18:30: Yeah, correct. 
 18:31: I would, I'm sorry, I, I'd like to add. 
 18:34: That the, the data indicates that the platinum membrane on the appropriate hydrogen water bottles lasts about 100 hours, 100 hours. 
 18:42: Now after the 100 hours, the thing still bubbles. 
 18:44: You think you're still getting hydrogen, but you're not getting anything but fancy bubbly water, right, right. 
 18:50: So you need to throw those things away after after a few uses. 
 18:53: There's no warning signs saying it's not working. 
 18:56: Now, what about The, the old, I mean, I, I was, I can't even remember how, how young I was. 
 19:01: I was still living at my parents' house and heard about hydrogen therapy adding like hydrogen peroxide to water and, and microdoses. 
 19:09: Have you, have you guys heard of that? 
 19:11: Yeah. 
 19:11: So hydrogen peroxide has some benefits, but, you know, too much of a good thing can be bad with hydrogen peroxide. 
 19:20: , with hydrogen, by the way, you can't have too much of it. 
 19:23: You can basically be on inhalation of hydrogen for hours, 5, 1020 hours a day. 
 19:30: There's literally zero side effects or negative. 
 19:33: You can't overdose overdose, can't overdose, yeah. 
 19:36: So there's somebody in the universe. 
 19:40: OK, so aside from the positive effects internally that people might not be able to feel and notice, are there any effects that they might feel and notice, or are they just gonna feel better? 
 19:52: No, like I said, earlier, you know, within 1 to 2 sessions of doing the hydrogen, most people have amazing sleep, which is a big Problem for most of most adults. 
 20:02: Amazing cognitive function, much cognitive clarity and really a boatload of energy. 
 20:08: I mean, you know, within a few days you're essentially turned into the energizes of buddy. 
 20:11: I would add to that the sedentary person who's not acclimated to, you know, doing a quantified self thing, you know, is, is going to notice a generalized melees right over an arc of time. 
 20:24: And by utilizing molecular hydrogen, they're gonna notice a generalized enhancement of their overall state of feeling. 
 20:30: But somebody like you, somebody like us who, who's into biohacking, who's into performance optimization, you're already measuring, you know, from different metrics upon which you are gauging how successful your strategies are. 
 20:44: OK, I myself, do resistance training and cardiovascular. 
 20:48: And I noticed after 48 hours of 2 hours of inhalation of this, so I did 2 hours of inhalation for 2 days. 
 20:54: On my 3rd day, I did my maximum androgen receptor site recruitment. 
 20:59: On my resistance, I went up 15% on my resistance training. 
 21:02: I went up massive 38% on my cardiovascular high intensity interval training, like it was freaking magic. 
 21:10: I, I couldn't believe it. 
 21:12: I couldn't believe how incredibly, longer and with greater intensity I was able to do cardio, which, which I hate cardio. 
 21:20: I, I hate it. 
 21:21: I me too, you know, it's the worst. 
 21:23: It's actually made it enjoyable because you're succeeding. 
 21:26: I know you add to your previous question that, you know. 
 21:28: Hydrogen, you could actually feel the effects or notice the effects even if you're a healthy person. 
 21:33: If you're having metabolic condition like cancers, congestive heart failure, or COPD, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, dementia, all these conditions, you already have a deficit in your activity. 
 21:45: So the hydrogen will actually be very noticeable very quickly when you have more deficits in your body. 
 21:51: Now, a lot of the clinical studies that were done over the last few decades have been done with just hydrogen rich water which we talked about earlier that it's a minuscule amount of hydrogen, but in spite of it being so minuscule, they've had tremendous positive results. 
 22:04: Now with hydrogen inhalation, with the hydroheel, we have exponentially more hydrogen available into the body and so that's why we're getting such dramatic. 
 22:13: Results much faster, much better, much more pronounced than all of those clinical studies because you're just getting so much more concentration of hydrogen, 100%. 
 22:24: Yeah. 
 22:24: And you said that this has been technology that's been used in the healthcare system in Japan for years now, not, not just Japan, a lot of the civilized countries, many other countries, more of the studies have been done in countries where they have more public healthcare systems, you know, America's a. 
 22:42: Private healthcare system. 
 22:43: So if you're not gonna make a lot of money from it, you're not gonna do much in the way of clinical trials, but most of these clinical trials have come from Europe, from Japan, from other countries around the world, and they're just phenomenal what they're able to show with hydrogen. 
 22:56: It's amazing for skin health also. 
 22:58: It does make you younger from the inside out, when you're breathing it in, and we have the option of actually making you younger from the outside in also. 
 23:07: And we have a mask here. 
 23:09: I'll just show it to you real quick. 
 23:12: That's a mask that uses hydrogen and steam to give you a deep facial. 
 23:18: So for the med spas, it's amazing and whatnot, but for IV clinics, you know, people that have hangovers, for example, after about half an hour, you know, you're basically jumping out of your IV chair as if you're a new person. 
 23:29: It really does, but by itself it's able to take care of hangovers and it has dramatic effect on. 
 23:35: People that are suffering from hangovers, but with IV it's, you turn into Superman super quick. 
 23:41: So this has been used by public healthcare systems elsewhere outside of the United States. 
 23:46: It's been documented big, I mean, there's some big biohackers as. 
 23:51: Well, I mean, Dave Asprey, Gary Breka, they're implementing hydrogen therapy. 
 23:58: Why is nobody else talking about this? 
 24:00: The reason why not many people are talking about is because the public has to first get introduced to this new technology, right? 
 24:07: And it's new to everybody, but unfortunately they've gone down the path of providing the hydrogen in a very minuscule manner are not really having the ability to work with a company like ours where we can actually provide it at a much more exponential level of concentration and. 
 24:26: So maybe at some point we will work with David Vaspre or Gary Brea and people of those or if there's any time to get with Gary Breka, now would be the time after his whole fiasco with 10X just blown up. 
 24:39: Did you see that? 
 24:40: Well, yeah, I mean things happen and everything that you never know what the story is behind the story, but sure. 
 24:46: There's always two sides to a really great meeting with Gary Breka last week, and we're talking about things in the future. 
 24:51: Love that. 
 24:52: I mean, that, that would be somebody great to, to speak about this. 
 24:55: So then, when you mentioned the, the cellular level it coming in impacting your skin and, and reverse aging, essentially. 
 25:03: I mean, this isn't just a, I'm dying, I have neurodegenerative diseases happening to me. 
 25:09: This is like you can use this as a protocol in The beauty space, I mean med spas would, would love something like this. 
 25:16: Are there any med spas that are doing anything like this? 
 25:19: Yeah, we have several med spas that we're working with right now. 
 25:22: They're getting phenomenal results. 
 25:24: The patients are, you know, the people that are well, for example, are reporting just great sleep, great energy, great mental clarity, you know, just being like full of life. 
 25:35: And it's also doing a lot of things in the background, you know, we all take vitamins. 
 25:39: And we know they're good for us, but we don't really feel anything, right? 
 25:42: Some people might, you know why, right? 
 25:44: huh? 
 25:44: You know why most people don't feel anything for vitamins. 
 25:47: Please tell me. 
 25:47: Over 57% of vitamins are never, never even make it into your system. 
 25:51: They're not bioavailability. 
 25:53: There's no assimilation that happens. 
 25:55: You're, you're really, when you take most, most vitamins, you're Paying for expensive piss at the end of the day is really what you're paying for. 
 26:02: That is 100% accurate. 
 26:03: And, and I think that to your point, that is why, you know, molecular hydrogen is, is such an integral component of a person's well-rounded biohacking regimen because one of the things that you're seeking to do, right, is take vitamins for antioxidant activity, except the antioxidant activity at best sucks. 
 26:21: That's a technical medical term. 
 26:23: And then it, it's inappropriate because it's shutting down. 
 26:26: , reactive oxygen species are necessary for appropriate cellular signaling in the redox reaction of your body's metabolism. 
 26:33: So by utilizing molecular hydrogen, because it's the smallest molecule in the universe. 
 26:37: It can pass through all the membranes of the cells without a carrier molecule, and it can go deep into the cells. 
 26:43: It can merge with the mitochondria, repairing, restoring, and optimizing the walls of the mitochondria, allowing for the electron transport chain to function more effectively and efficiently, and go into the nucleus of the cells to help to power the nucleus in terms of optimal efficiency and telomere lengthening. 
 26:59: What's also very interesting is there is not a single antioxidant that can pass the blood brain. 
 27:04: Barrier for people who have brain inflammation like TBI or Parkinson's. 
 27:09: However, molecular hydrogen when introduced to the brain through earphones like this, can pass you to panic membrane and go directly into the brain because it is such a soft small molecule, which is why in other countries they are utilizing molecular hydrogen to slow, stop and reverse the degradation of the substantia nigra, which is that part of the brain that's destroyed in Parkinson's. 
 27:30: Why don't supplements work? 
 27:31: Exactly what you said, poor bioavailability, poor quality, even if you know the person's gut is operating under perfect conditions, which whos is, right? 
 27:40: The quality of the supplementation is poor, and the absorption is poor and the utilization is inappropriate. 
 27:47: That that's why. 
 27:48: Right. 
 27:48: And even when you get a high quality supplement like a liposomal supplement or nano encapsulated, the shelf life of these degrade too drastically by the time. 
 27:58: You as the consumer actually get the manufactured product to your system. 
 28:03: Yes, that's a very advanced observation, but that's 100% true. 
 28:06: And then because all these studies on supplements, they're, they're being done in the lab right then, like, not a supplement that's been possibly sitting on the shelves in heated boxes and storage units for months, possibly over a year in some instances. 
 28:22: So the effect is, is noticeable. 
 28:25: When you aren't getting that, that shelf stable, you know, supplement that you should be be getting. 
 28:32: Now with the hydrogen therapy, what is the assimilation? 
 28:36: What is the bioavailability when you do the hydrogen inhalation therapy? 
 28:41: Go ahead. 
 28:42: Well, you know, what's amazing is that when it gets into your bloodstream when you're breathing it in, we also, by the way, do have the ability to have the machine make hydrogen rich water too. 
 28:52: Because that's also beneficial because putting the hydrogen when you're drinking it, and it going directly into the gut digestive tract, it's neutralizing the gut biome and suppressing inflammation throughout your digestive tract and pushing the hydrogen to all the organs that are around the digestive tract. 
 29:09: So we encourage our patients to Do both breathing it in and drinking it, because 2 + 2 in this scenario equals 5. 
 29:18: And you know, when you're breathing it in, when it goes through your alveoli into your lungs and goes to the bloodstream and then to all the cells in your body, within 3 minutes, that's saturating your cells throughout your body. 
 29:30: And so it's a pretty quick turnaround, just like you would breathe in oxygen. 
 29:35: And right, that oxygen would go into your cells. 
 29:38: That's the same speed at which hydrogen is able to get into your cells also. 
 29:41: It's just a matter of minutes. 
 29:43: And you know, there's another aspect of hydrogen. 
 29:46: It does, as Doctor Carter was saying that it does help with supercharge the mitochondria and when it does supercharge the mitochondria facilitates a cellular recycling and regeneration. 
 29:58: And when we're trying to facilitate better well-being and whatnot, there's an area of wellness where people do fasting, right? 
 30:08: And when they fast, one would engage in a fast for up to 3 days or 3 days or more in order to get through into a state of autophagy. 
 30:16: I think a lot of you know what autophagy is. 
 30:18: And so with that state of autophagy where you're able to facilitate super fast recycling and regeneration because your your entire body is going to emergency mode, if you will, you're able to generate a lot more new healthy cells and recycle and get rid of all our zombie cells, as they call it. 
 30:36: And what fasting takes in order to get to autophagy in 3 days. 
 30:40: Hydrogen does in 3 minutes. 
 30:42: So that's how much faster it's able to facilitate, you know, a beneficial effect on your body. 
 30:47: Yeah, so that makes sense now because for anybody who fasts and experiences the benefits of fasting, I, I do all the time. 
 30:55: I do mostly intermittent fasting, but I noticed just my energy levels are higher. 
 31:00: I'm sharper, more clear. 
 31:03: Everything is Performing at a much better level, and I hunger? 
 31:05: Yeah, but it's worth the pain of hunger for the output and performance. 
 31:10: So you're saying that the, a couple of minutes of hydrogen therapy is going to initiate replicate the same effects that you feel from, from fasting, from intermittent fasting, which is called autophagy. 
 31:21: Well, you don't get into a state of autophagy until you're fasting for 3 days or more. 
 31:26: Wow. 
 31:26: So inter fasting, intermittent fasting has other benefits which Doctor Carter can talk about, but, you know, when you get into autophagy, you have to get into a state where your body is also almost going into emergency mode and so we're gonna die. 
 31:40: You, we need to do something to live. 
 31:42: If you can carry that on Doctor Carter. 
 31:43: Yeah, I mean, you're shifting from a glucose burning or sugar burning machine to fat burning machine, and this is gonna allow your body's immune system, like your white blood cells to act in essence like Pac-Man and go through the body. 
 31:55: And look for debris, junk inappropriately, you know, cells that are are not operating appropriately and break them down for reutilization. 
 32:04: That's, that's the benefits of intermittent fasting or fasting and going into autophagy. 
 32:10: All of that has to be powered by something that something is mitochondria and those mitochondria are powered by hydrogen. 
 32:18: Does that make sense? 
 32:19: So that the normal general public can understand. 
 32:23: Simply just like a an electric vehicle. 
 32:25: Everybody, electric vehicles have blown up and, and they understand how, you know, a lot of them are very fast when they're fully charged, but as that battery starts to die, they lose. 
 32:34: Performance, essentially, you're getting a fully charged battery at all times with this hydrogen therapy, so you're at max performance. 
 32:42: Is that what you're saying? 
 32:43: I'm saying that utilization, regular utilization of appropriately dosed molecular hydrogen inhalation does exactly what you're saying. 
 32:51: You know, you think about one of those bars on a video game, right? 
 32:53: Full power, medium power, low power, right? 
 32:56: Well, your power is based on your mitochondria's health and number, right? 
 33:03: So what you wanna do is you wanna make sure all of your mitochondria that you have right now are functioning at peak performance, right? 
 33:11: And then you want to send a signal to your body that says, I'm still relevant here, I'm still part of the group of guys that goes out and kills the wooly mammoth, so I need more mitochondria, and I need you to inspire something called mitogenesis. 
 33:24: So after the repair, restoration, and optimization of your existing mitochondria by molecular hydrogen, That is what triggers the signal to tell the body we've maxed out our existing mitochondria. 
 33:39: Let's start to create more of these because we're still clearly relevant. 
 33:42: Does that, does that help you? 
 33:44: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that does. 
 33:46: So then, when is the best time to be using hydrogen therapy? 
 33:50: Is it in the middle of the day, in the morning, first thing when you're up, right before bedtime? 
 33:56: It can be used at any time of day or night, but if you are looking to optimize performance like physical performance, for example, you'll want to do it at least, you know, before your activity. 
 34:06: , to optimize your energy levels and after your activity to optimize recovery. 
 34:13: So with hydrogen, people are able to recover literally twice as fast as without hydrogen, and the clinical studies also support what I just said. 
 34:24: And, you know, we're we're using it for athletes, we're looking, using it for celebrities, we're using it for people that are, you know, terminal also. 
 34:32: So then how does this stack up to some of. 
 34:34: The other biohacking treatments out there. 
 34:37: I mean, red light therapy is blowing up right now. 
 34:40: How does this compare? 
 34:41: I mean, photobiomodulation through red light therapy is great, OK? 
 34:45: You do have to buy the device and to get optimal performance, you have to get greater surface area of your skin. 
 34:51: So you basically need to buy a red light therapy bed. 
 34:54: Those things are thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars. 
 34:57: You got to place them in your home or you have to go to a facility, you have to utilize it. 
 35:02: And it's only stimulating the mitochondria on the surface of the skin and slightly below it, whereas molecular hydrogen, because it's being absorbed through the alveola of the lung, is literally touching every single cell in your body over the arc of time. 
 35:14: Something like cold plunge also requires a device that. 
 35:18: You either got to travel to you or you have to have in your home with, with special equipment and I don't know if you've ever done cold plunge, but awful. 
 35:26: I mean, it sucks every time. 
 35:27: It's not fun while you're doing it, OK? 
 35:30: Hyperbaric oxygen therapy, I mean, you got to get in a cloth coffin. 
 35:34: That you had to buy, you had to get special wiring for your home, you have to have special accommodations for your home, or you have to go to a place and sign up for a membership. 
 35:42: So while all of these therapies have their place as a component of a well-rounded performance optimization strategy environment, you have to think about how much juice am I getting for my squeeze, OK? 
 35:54: And in terms of Convenience and efficiency and effectiveness. 
 35:59: Molecular hydrogen is gonna be all of those hands down. 
 36:02: It's gonna be all of them, hands down. 
 36:04: It's a tiny device you can carry it from room to room. 
 36:07: You can stick it in a suitcase when you're on business trips, OK? 
 36:11: And you can inhale it as little or as long as you want depending on what your goals are, to answer your question. 
 36:16: When is the best time of day is going to be dependent like Mick said on what is your goal. 
 36:21: If my goal is to be able to function after a workout that I've taken to complete and total failure, then I'm gonna do it 30 minutes before my workout and right after my workout. 
 36:31: If I go to failure on resistance training, I'm wiped out for like 45 minutes. 
 36:35: I don't know about you. 
 36:36: I mean, clearly you out. 
 36:38: But if I do molecular hydrogen right after a total failure workout, I'm back in the saddle in 7 minutes, 7 minutes or less. 
 36:46: Why aren't more athletes doing hydrogen therapy? 
 36:48: They're going to be, yeah, they're gonna be. 
 36:49: They're not aware of it, and we are actively promoting it with some very prominent athletes right now and the celebrities, and it's just a matter of getting the word out because this technology hasn't been available until now, and this technology is. 
 37:05: You know, it's something that nobody has to really worry about because it comes with like a 5 year warranty, which is unheard of in the wellness space, and it lasts for 8000 hours, which is 3 hours a day for the next 8 years before any parts need to even be replaced. 
 37:19: It requires zero maintenance just. 
 37:21: Adding distilled water when the water gets low enough and pretty much a gallon of distilled water for $2 at any grocery store will last you about a month or two. 
 37:31: And so it has very little to negligible running costs, no maintenance, amazing warranty, and the ease of use is what's most powerful, as Doctor Carter says. 
 37:44: It's just a matter of putting on the breathing tube on your nose when you're watching TV while you're working on your, at your desk on your computer, or while you're scrolling through social media. 
 37:57: Super easy and that's what's so powerful about. 
 38:00: This therapy for my patients who are terminal because they can do it without any kind of infringement on their daily routine. 
 38:08: Everybody watches TV or at least are sedentary for a few hours a day, and they're getting all the benefits while sitting back and relaxing. 
 38:16: There's nothing else in the universe that does that. 
 38:19: This is great for athletes. 
 38:20: You said some athletes are even getting on board with it. 
 38:23: Yeah, NFL, gym, NBA, yep, go, go ahead. 
 38:26: Who, who's already doing this? 
 38:27: Well, I can't say unless I get another release, but, but several athletes. 
 38:31: There are some, OK, understood because some of them are patients also, so understood. 
 38:36: So then why aren't, why aren't gyms? 
 38:38: Offering this to their, their, their members. 
 38:41: We just had several of the UFC gyms by many machines, and we're working with several other gyms on a national level. 
 38:49: So this might be the hottest new piece of equipment for any high-end gym that that might already have a red light therapy bed or a cold plunge. 
 38:59: This is the thing. 
 39:00: That they need that they should probably buy two of so they can run two of them at the same time. 
 39:04: By far, you know, Doctor Carter mentioned what those alternative therapies do. 
 39:09: I will say that, you know, all of the things that he mentioned, a red light, cold plunge, hyperbaric oxygen are primarily meant to stimulate the mitochondria, OK, mitochondrial optimization. 
 39:22: Now, none of those. 
 39:24: Do what we were talking about before that glutathione does, that what that's one of the main things that hydrogen does, basically destroying and neutralizing all the free radicals that are generated every day, the UV damage, the, you know, degradation of all the organs in our body, the tissue in our body, the metabolic. 
 39:41: tidal wave of free radicals that are just destroying our body from our head to our toe. 
 39:47: None of that is being addressed by any other biohacking modality except for taking IVs of antioxidants like glutathione and NAD and those are not cheap and not convenient and you can't do it forever. 
 40:03: So being able to have a therapy that costs almost nothing after you buy the device. 
 40:09: is just a no-brainer and you control it completely. 
 40:13: You yeah, and you can do it without needing a nurse to inject you, I mean, stick a needle in you and you're sitting in a bed for an hour or IV and it's completely safe. 
 40:24: They, they can't overdose from it. 
 40:26: Now, for like a gym, how many people can use this device at one time? 
 40:31: So we have Two nozzles on each machine. 
 40:34: So on this particular machine, this one side has 1 nozzle, there's another nozzle on the other side. 
 40:39: So two people or patients can use the machine at the same time, right? 
 40:44: OK. 
 40:44: Man, this is gonna be in every, every professional sports team is gonna be having one of these for their athletes before game and after game. 
 40:51: They're gonna be on this like, you, you don't even know. 
 40:55: Yeah. 
 40:55: Now, I mean, a lot of athletes understand how powerful steroids and peptides and some of these other things can be for their their performance, but they can't do that because they're gonna get popped, though it'll come up in their system that, you know, all the regulations. 
 41:10: Around that they're not allowed to dope. 
 41:11: So, would this, would anything come up that would prevent an athlete from passing any tests from doing hydrogen therapy? 
 41:17: So what does, which is the testing authority for athletes or professional sports. 
 41:22: They don't have anything addressing hydrogen in any event. 
 41:25: Hydrogen after you breathe it in within one hour, it dissipates from your bloodstream and goes into your cells. 
 41:30: So after an hour you can't even, you won't even notice it. 
 41:34: There's no way to test for it. 
 41:35: So why aren't more high performing CEOs, business executives doing this, and how can they get a hold of something I would say they're not doing it because they haven't been exposed to it and they're not aware of it and they haven't tried it because if they did, especially high performance people. 
 41:54: They would immediately jump on board. 
 41:56: How can they get it, Mick? 
 41:57: Yeah, so we have it available through our website, hydroheel.com, and it's as simple as, you know, purchasing it on our website. 
 42:05: We do have machines that are ranged from $3500 for a budget machine. 
 42:10: To $6500 for more of a person or a clinic that wants to get optimal benefits in shorter period of time as possible. 
 42:19: We do have much faster machine. 
 42:21: It's a VIP machine and it's made for medical centers, and that's $20,000. 
 42:26: The first machine, the $3500 machine is 300 mL per minute, of pure medical grade hydrogen, and the second machine, which is a $6500 machine is 600 mLs per minute. 
 42:38: And that's also pure, the pure hydrogen, and that's the first machine, as I mentioned, is $3500 and it's 300 mLs per minute, and it's about a 30 minute session. 
 42:49: The second machine, which is $6500 and 600 mLs is a 15 minute session, and the third machine, which is 20,000, 3000 mLs per minute. 
 42:59: And it's treatment time is 4 minutes. 
 43:02: So when you're talking about athletes being able to get this done quickly where their time is money, you know, sitting on it for 5 minutes, you know, before their workout and after their workout before their game or after the game, the icing is super easy, right, when you have multiple players on the machine, you know, in a matter of an hour and any business executive. 
 43:20: could just do this straight from their office. 
 43:22: They could have one of these phone calls. 
 43:24: Yeah, I mean, the $20,000 machine we had several people buy it, you know, they've had jets. 
 43:29: They put it on their jet, their yacht, you know, they have friends that they want to be able to show to, you know, they're optimizing their after you make enough money, what else is there? 
 43:38: Your health and well-being, right? 
 43:39: So for them this is a no-brainer too. 
 43:42: Yeah, I mean health is the ultimate flex now. 
 43:44: Yeah, 100%. 
 43:46: Can't be rich from your hospital bed. 
 43:48: I mean, there's a lot of discussion about longevity and absolutely longevity is important, right? 
 43:53: But you know, what if whatever the strategy is, didn't give you one more day of life, but you could get 15% more. 
 44:00: Production out of your day, 20%, 30% more production out of your day. 
 44:04: How would that alter and improve your life experience if because of regular and appropriate utilization of molecular hydrogen, you're now functioning at 15 to 30% greater capacity each and every day of utilization? 
 44:19: How does that alter your life? 
 44:21: Because it's challenging for people to, to look at the American Academy of Anti-aging Medicine. 
 44:27: And biohacking and listen to, you know, influencers who are saying, you know, appropriately, hey, we should all be able to live to about 130, right? 
 44:36: And it's a it's a little far out for a lot of people, but it's not far out at all to say utilization of a device like the Hydro heel at appropriate doses and frequency can get you X amount percentage more production time. 
 44:51: Out of each and every day. 
 44:52: That's where I think the real value is for me at least. 
 44:55: But it's very cost effective for businesses to be able to incorporate it into their businesses and, you know, generate a fair amount of revenue from it. 
 45:03: I mean, make you maybe a little moment to brag. 
 45:06: You're quite the, I would say you're very dialed. 
 45:08: You have a lot of systems, a lot of businesses that you. 
 45:11: Why don't you kind of talk about your story, what your day to day looks like and how hydrogen therapy has affected you? 
 45:17: You're very high performing CEO, business owner. 
 45:21: Yeah, I mean, how did you discover this and how has it helped you? 
 45:24: The hydrogen, each session that you have lasts, has a residual effect of about 3 to 4 days. 
 45:30: By day 3, if I'm Traveling and I can't get, you know, I, I'm not in one place traveling all over the world or around the country and stuff. 
 45:38: It's a little difficult sometimes to get onto my hydrogen machine and I just feel it, you know, and I just block out time and get on my machine and I'm sitting there for a few hours and I'm back in the saddle like that within a few hours after that, so. 
 45:52: It's really trying, you know, I normally use it for a few hours every day when I'm sitting in my computer, sitting on the phone, talking to people at my computer. 
 46:02: I don't watch TV, but, you know, when I'm at my computer and stuff, it's easy to just put it on and you're in therapy and you're getting, you know, very high doses of this hydrogen to your body and it has such a dramatic effect. 
 46:16: I mean, you know, it's It's changed my life. 
 46:18: It's, I'm so much more productive. 
 46:20: Started several companies in the last year because of the hydrogen, and these are companies that are pretty groundbreaking also. 
 46:28: So, you know, hydrogen itself is pretty phenomenal because some new clinical studies actually came out. 
 46:34: I started a company, there's a beauty company that, actually, it's called Look 25. 
 46:39: It's one of our newer companies and it actually reverses wrinkles in 6 to 8 weeks and you see dramatic results in as little as 2 to 3 weeks. 
 46:47: And it's also it's using hydrogen and a patent technology using hydrogen and oxygen to basically atomize a mist of water which is super concentrated with hydrogen and oxygen. 
 46:59: And that hydrogen is able to penetrate deep into the dermal layers of skin and supercharge your fibroblast, which produce much higher collagen and elastin, which helps reverse wrinkles, and it also normalizes oily skin and fades away age spots. 
 47:15: It's, it's it's miraculous what it's able to do, and that's something we just launched also, and, you know, it's going really well. 
 47:22: So how many businesses are you invested in or partnered in? 
 47:27: And what's your day to day look like? 
 47:29: So for all the CEOs and high performers like myself out there that are curious, like, give us an analysis, you know, high level overview of what comes to your plate every day and what you have to manage and how you're able to do it all. 
 47:40: You know, as far as businesses, I do have about 6 businesses and they're all, you know, full steam ahead if you will. 
 47:46: The hydrogen and the Look 25 are some of the newer businesses I have. 
 47:51: , medical practices in areas of, mental health, pain management, and, weight loss also, and you know, just started up a tech company that is really gonna change the face of email marketing and throughout the world. 
 48:06: So, you know, we're doing a bunch of really innovative things and the hydrogen is a. 
 48:10: Key component of that for people like myself to be able to really optimize their productivity and their well-being, right? 
 48:18: So you run multiple 78 figure businesses and you get to bed at 10 a.m. you said you wake up at 5 a.m. ready to go, how do you do it? 
 48:27: I just wake up. 
 48:29: I don't use alarm clocks, you know, I just, I just pop out of bed. 
 48:32: I, I, my circadian rhythm is dialed in so that, you know, I wake up right about when I'm supposed to, you know, I'm able to actually facilitate something called lucid dreaming also, and that's pretty, powerful tool if some of you, if you don't already use it, definitely encourage you to Google it and try to, you know, take advantage of that. 
 48:52: It really empowers you for all the challenges that you have in your life, whether it be personal or business. 
 48:58: Wait, how do you lucid dream? 
 49:00: What's the process for that? 
 49:01: It's basically taking your conscious mind and going into your subconscious and using your subconscious to work around any kind of challenges that you're having in your real life, and it's pretty powerful. 
 49:13: How did you learn that,, practice, practice. 
 49:16: Yeah, you're basically going to, you're going to sleep thinking about a specific challenge that you're trying to overcome and when you get into your subconscious. 
 49:28: When you go into deep REM sleep, which, you know, I can do in 5 minutes, I can go in deep REM sleep and then go and tackle that challenge and really navigate through many different scenarios and be able to find something that actually works, and then be able to wake up and say, oh OK. 
 49:44: I, that's what I really needed and go back to sleep, go back in deeper I sleep and finish off the night. 
 49:49: So you're able to perform at a high level every day, feel sharp, and just so you guys know, Mick will literally call me at 10 o'clock at night, and he's, I'm in California, so that's 10 a.m. his time. 
 50:01: And then he's up on it sharp every day. 
 50:03: You would never notice that he, he only gets about 4 hours of sleep every night, but the hydrogen therapy seems to be working. 
 50:10: Well, I think Doctor Carter is in the same boat too. 
 50:13: He doesn't sleep much either. 
 50:15: He's he's traveling all over Florida and he's got literally 100 patients every day that he's talking to all over the country. 
 50:23: So you're on the 4 hour sleep regimen as well, to Doctor Carter. 
 50:27: I mean, yeah, that's probably my average. 
 50:29: I think sleeping is a necessary evil. 
 50:32: I, I wish I didn't have to sleep. 
 50:34: I think it's a horrible waste of time, but you know, it is what it is, right? 
 50:37: So if you're gonna be there. 
 50:39: You might as well maximize it. 
 50:41: and that's the advantage of being able to stick a cannula up your nose or earphones on your ears and just passively absorb molecular hydrogen. 
 50:49: I don't lucid dream, but I have watched this dude like, say, well, we gotta come up with something by tomorrow. 
 50:54: Let me do some lucid dreaming and the next day he comes up with some like banging winter. 
 50:58: I'm like, what the hell? 
 51:00: You know, so, and whatever it is, I've, I've seen it work. 
 51:04: I will tell you that. 
 51:05: You know, as a rule of thumb, I'll probably get a little hate for this. 
 51:08: Doctors are not good businessmen, OK? 
 51:10: And I think the synergy of being a provider and being able to work with somebody that is really got his finger on the pulse of business and marketing and infrastructure of businesses, it just makes your job as a doctor way, way, way easier. 
 51:26: You know, basically, I just show up and talk to people and all the hard work that's done over there. 
 51:31: I would agree with you. 
 51:32: I, I specialize in medical marketing for Med spas and telehealth businesses and most of the doctors, great people, very knowledgeable and specialized in what they therefore, which is, is the medical aspect. 
 51:44: But when it comes to the business aspect, yeah, they didn't, they didn't study a single thing of that in college and in school, and sometimes you have to learn the hard way. 
 51:52: Yeah, yeah, and it's very profitable for businesses like Medpas, which you're tuned to. 
 51:58: You know, the ROI on something like this incorporated into the business is literally one month. 
 52:04: So yeah, it's a no brainer for medical med spas, IV clinics, longevity doctors to be able to enhance and supercharge the therapies that they're already doing in addition to adding more revenue to their practice on as on something that can be provided on an a la carte basis. 
 52:24: A lot of med spas and IV clinics have subscription programs and things of that nature. 
 52:29: This really elevates their ability to charge a lot more for those programs and get people onto their highest level of programs while at the same time providing a significant benefit to their patients or customers and supercharging their existing modalities where they're able to. 
 52:47: Essentially get so much more faster results for everything that they're already doing, from healing to energy levels to, you know, optimizing their recovery. 
 53:00: All of these things are just, this is the hottest thing to hit med spas and IV clinics. 
 53:07: Why do so few actually have this? 
 53:10: Exposure and awareness, correct, yeah, exposure and awareness. 
 53:13: I, I would say that. 
 53:14: You know, I owned an IV stem cell clinic where we also did nutrient based like Mars cocktail IVs. 
 53:20: I've done, jeez, hundreds of these things, and, you know, I'd get up after an IV session and so I don't know, I guess I feel better. 
 53:29: I'm not sure, but if you do the IV in conjunction with molecular hydrogen, your patient's gonna get up feeling noticeably different. 
 53:38: So the tile awareness of I just got this IV and I'm breathing this molecular hydrogen. 
 53:43: And I feel like I can leap tall buildings in a single bound is relevant to the clinic space because the subconscious perception of the patient in relation to the spa or clinic or IV facility that they're going to is this is the place. 
 54:00: This is the IV and this is the device that's making me feel like Steve Austin, the $6 Million Man. 
 54:06: Yeah, that's huge. 
 54:06: cause I feel the same way. 
 54:08: I actually got an IV done like in January. 
 54:11: It was a Meyer cocktail for immunity. 
 54:13: I was like, I'm gonna feel great. 
 54:14: And the next day, I, I got hit with the worst flu in my life and I'm like, I'm never going to an IV clinic again, it's a scam. 
 54:21: It didn't help me at all. 
 54:22: See, you're to to your point, OK? 
 54:26: A number of factors could have gone into that. 
 54:28: But your subconscious perception was that thing was supposed to make me feel amazing and bulletproof, and I got sick the next day. 
 54:36: That's a bunch of crap, right? 
 54:38: Whereas if you did it and had the molecular hydrogen and had supercharged your immune system while you were sitting there for the 2030 or 40 minutes, the, so the statistical probability that whatever pathogen attacked you. 
 54:52: You would have gotten such a great hold on you would have gone down exponentially is what I'm saying. 
 54:57: And, and I am saying that. 
 54:58: I'm saying that that is the effect that you will get. 
 55:01: So let's break down the numbers. 
 55:02: I mean, you said you, you owned an IV and stem cell clinic. 
 55:05: There's some hard costs with these IV treatments and some of these other treatments that you, the clinic owner, have to take on. 
 55:12: I mean, this, what are the hard costs with this device of Operating it. 
 55:16: Yeah, I can mention a little bit about it. 
 55:19: so as I mentioned the cost before, but this particular machine is what most clinics would, our, med spas, clinics, IV clinics would utilize. 
 55:28: It's 600 mLs per minute. 
 55:30: You can use, you can have two people on the machine at the same time, you know, 30 minutes per per per patient rather. 
 55:37: If the one patient was on it, it would be just 15 minutes and it can be used just for one patient where both nozzles are combined into one tube. 
 55:44: And the $6500 investment is basically something that. 
 55:50: I had basically has an ROI in less than a month, which is unheard of for most these devices, I mean, most me I talked with a a clinic owner, doctor, great doctor, got way oversold by these device reps, invested $750,000 into, I think all gimmicky technology. 
 56:12: I'm not gonna say which brand it is because they're probably gonna come after me. 
 56:15: In semi cease and desist letters, but one of the most notable brands in the medspa space, and I mean, he, he's gonna be paying that off for, for years before he sees a profit. 
 56:25: If I could add to what Mick said, so in, in addition to just your patience, tactile awareness of I feel better when I get up, while you're there that captive audience for the 40 minutes, if you are then training your MA. 
 56:41: To discuss the benefits of the services that you have in your clinic to include molecular hydrogen, OK? 
 56:48: And that per that patient who's likely bought a package, right? 
 56:51: Almost nobody buys a single IV unless like they're going in for the hangover cure, right? 
 56:56: But most patients are going in for a package. 
 56:58: I'll just use some hypothetical numbers. 
 57:00: Like, let's say it's 130 bucks for an IV. 
 57:03: You you buy 10 and and they'll do it for 999, right? 
 57:07: So the clinic's getting $1000 off of that. 
 57:10: Now, on top of that, they're inhaling the molecular hydrogen. 
 57:13: The MA is talking to them about the molecular hydrogen, etc. 
 57:16: and at the end of it, the patient says, how do I take one of these home with me? 
 57:20: Mick, yeah, and the clinic or the meds spot makes an extra $1000 by the patient actually taking a machine home with them, or Having one delivered to them, the clinic OK, so they can they can actually resell those through you guys to their patients if they want to have one at home. 
 57:38: Yeah, absolutely. 
 57:39: And you know, the ROI for Clin Medspa, for example, that's, you know, not too busy but has a fair number of patients a day, say they have 10 patients a day. 
 57:48: If say 5 of them were do the hydrogen inhalation that equates to $80 patient times 5 patients. 
 57:57: So that works out to $400 a day, 5 days a week, that's $2000 a week, 4 weeks in a month, that's $8000 a month, or in 52 weeks in a year, that's $104,000 a year for a $6500 machine. 
 58:12: OK, so just to, to get that right, you said $80 a session is what what they should be charging on average $80 per session $100 yeah, $80 to 100 and if They just add this on to only 50% of their patient base at, you know, 5 per day, which would be about $400 a day, and you said they're operating 22 days out of the month, $8800. 
 58:34: So yeah, they would be profitable within one month, like actually profiting. 
 58:39: That's, that's crazy. 
 58:40: Yeah, it's, yeah, and you have a unique selling point. 
 58:43: How many patients, if, if they go somewhere and they got an IV. 
 58:47: And they got the result you got when they're on the golf course with their buddy. 
 58:50: What did you think of that Meyers cocktail, bro? 
 58:52: I don't know, right? 
 58:53: So that that's the word of mouth, right? 
 58:55: But what if during their session they also got molecular hydrogen and they get up off the table feeling 30% more energetic than when they got down on the table? 
 59:05: You know what? 
 59:06: I got this IV, but they had this, molecular hydrogen thing, and I gotta tell you. 
 59:10: I don't know if it was my imagination, but because I got some more sessions, but I got up, I just felt amazing. 
 59:15: I made me feel like a better person. 
 59:18: Now that's because it works. 
 59:19: Yeah, I mean, it's just you guys are very familiar with, with some glutide, you know, these GLP ones, highly effective treatments and essentially what happened with those and we saw it firsthand the referral rate, we had clinics that were early adopters at a 2.1 times referral rate. 
 59:36: So every patient they got on these GLP ones, they were getting. 
 59:39: 2.1 patients back through referrals. 
 59:42: You're saying that this hydrogen, because it's so effective, these clinics are seeing similar referral rates from all the case studies that they're getting. 
 59:51: Yes, it's a unique selling point that is tactilely noticeable. 
 59:56: It's subjectively noticeable by the patient. 
 59:58: The reason that you got such great referral rates with GLP medication is because the patient for the first time in their life, did something that enabled them to lose weight easily and effectively and efficiently. 
 1:00:09: They felt a difference and they told everybody that they knew exactly and as an analogy, when you get up off of the IV table and you've inhaled the molecular hydrogen over that arc of time. 
 1:00:21: And you feel amazing, and every time you go back for your IV treatment, you inhale the molecular hydrogen, you feel better and better and better and better and better. 
 1:00:28: You're going to report a similar outcome in the same vein or family as the person who reported the outcome for the GOP. 
 1:00:36: Does that make sense? 
 1:00:37: Yeah, yeah, exactly. 
 1:00:38: So I mean for Bed spa and IV clinic or any type of clinic that's really tight on space, I mean, how much room does this thing take up? 
 1:00:48: It it's right between the IV tables. 
 1:00:50: I mean, there's so they can put this, you know they can put this in, right? 
 1:00:53: And it's basically 1 ft by 8 inches. 
 1:00:58: So how much space does that really take up? 
 1:01:00: Almost none, right? 
 1:01:02: And so wherever you're getting IV, this one table between two people, both getting IV. 
 1:01:07: Is all the space you really need the already exists. 
 1:01:11: Yeah, the space exists. 
 1:01:12: It's just empty. 
 1:01:13: Why not turn that empty space into a profit center? 
 1:01:15: Right? 
 1:01:16: I mean, they could have it in the waiting rooms even. 
 1:01:18: They could, they could, you know, there's a picture right above Doctor Carter's head, I don't know if you see it, of the gentleman getting the hydrogen therapy. 
 1:01:26: Yeah, yeah, that's how simple it is, right? 
 1:01:28: You sit back, relax, you're getting an IV or any other passive therapy. 
 1:01:34: You can have the hydrogen at the same time. 
 1:01:36: I'm sold on this. 
 1:01:37: If a clinic owner is sold on this, like, what kind of training, what, what do they do? 
 1:01:42: How, how hard is it to get one of these implemented and incorporated into their business model? 
 1:01:47: Setup takes about 10 to 15 minutes because you got to put water in the machine. 
 1:01:51: So that takes a few minutes. 
 1:01:53: The training of the machine takes about 5 to 10 minutes. 
 1:01:55: Basically there are 4 buttons that you gotta press. 
 1:01:58: That's how simple it is. 
 1:01:59: Any layperson, the front desk staff, or any layperson can use it, doesn't require a, degree or any kind of credentials. 
 1:02:06: No certifications. 
 1:02:08: Patients can use it at or customers can use it at their home and anybody. 
 1:02:13: The clinic can basically set it up. 
 1:02:15: The only thing that is they might need to buy a little timer to make sure that patients are getting the time that they want to get. 
 1:02:21: But other than that, there's really nothing else to do. 
 1:02:25: It's super easy. 
 1:02:26: Maintenance is negligible. 
 1:02:28: I mean, there's no maintenance and there's no, it will basically last for 8000 hours, which is. 
 1:02:35: 3 hours a day for the next 8 years, so you have really nothing to worry about. 
 1:02:38: If a business were to have a machine offer a lifetime warranty for the business. 
 1:02:44: Individuals get it because it's in their home, it's a little bit different setting. 
 1:02:48: We offer a 5 year warranty for individuals and a lifetime warranty for businesses, meaning that they never have to worry about a single expense to if the machine is ever not working for whatever reason. 
 1:02:59: Wow, that's great. 
 1:03:00: So they could order this from, where do they go to order this website? 
 1:03:05: DMU Hydroheel.com. 
 1:03:08: we also have financing available through Affirm, so they can get financing through affirm for it and they can get this for 0 money down. 
 1:03:16: 0 money down, whatever the affirm options are, they can utilize those options. 
 1:03:20: We do have a rental agreement where it's $1500 down and $299 a month and that's indefinite. 
 1:03:29: It's a straight rental agreement. 
 1:03:30: It's not, it's not leased to purchase, but it's a straight rental agreement if they Don't want to finance it and they can just give us $1500 299 dollars a month, and they could be making, we calculated off of 5 patients a day, $8500 in in revenue from from that small investment. 
 1:03:52: Yeah, it's a no brainer and it really supercharges all the therapies that they're currently doing. 
 1:03:57: It helps people. 
 1:03:59: I mean, everybody that's been on it for 4 or 5 months, they're like, people are complimenting me that I look different. 
 1:04:05: I look younger. 
 1:04:06: What, what's going on? 
 1:04:07: Is that because of you? 
 1:04:08: I say, yeah, it's because of me. 
 1:04:10: Yeah, it's, because of the machine, you know, you're, it's regenerate the the your skin is the largest organ of your body. 
 1:04:17: OK, just like it's regenerating all the organs and tissue throughout your entire body. 
 1:04:21: It's also regenerating your skin from the inside out, you know, that all of our cells regenerate in a matter of 12 to 14 days, right? 
 1:04:30: So your skin is a part of that. 
 1:04:32: Yeah, that's crazy. 
 1:04:33: And then are there any benefits? 
 1:04:34: I mean, a lot of people have eczema, psoriasis, skin issues. 
 1:04:37: Does it have help with those? 
 1:04:38: Yeah, amazing. 
 1:04:39: So our topical, look 25, we've been using it for a lot of skin conditions, psoriasis, I mean, sorry. 
 1:04:46: It's meant to fight those conditions, not meant to cure them. 
 1:04:50: That's the PC here, but, yeah, it, it, it's amazing how beneficial it is for people with those conditions. 
 1:04:58: So then, I mean, we have clients that that have IV clinics, mobile IV clinics, med spas with IVs. 
 1:05:06: They're already, they already have their their patients sitting around for 45 minutes doing some type of treatment, whether it's an IV possib. 
 1:05:12: Even numbing for 30 minutes procedure. 
 1:05:14: What's the best way they can bundle this into other packages? 
 1:05:19: It's super easy. 
 1:05:20: Initially, we encourage all the businesses to have people demo it because then there's no pushback that, oh, you know, I'm, because people don't know what it is, they may push back because they have to pay for it. 
 1:05:32: So to eliminate any kind of resistance, we encourage them to at least have them try it first. 
 1:05:38: And then after that maybe charge for it as an add-on. 
 1:05:41: So trying it, how many times would you recommend them trying it one session or should they give them 33 back to back daily sessions and they're hooked for life? 
 1:05:51: If they don't feel anything the next day, then you can encourage them to come back for a second session. 
 1:05:56: If they feel something the next day, meaning they've had a noticeable, you know, positive effect. 
 1:06:02: Then you start charging them, you know, if they don't feel anything and they say, I didn't feel anything, we'll come back next time and we'll get you on it again. 
 1:06:09: And then, you know, some people after the second time, it changes their life. 
 1:06:13: We had, a celebrity, one of the biggest DJs in the world actually. 
 1:06:17: He tried it the first day and he didn't feel anything. 
 1:06:20: The second day, you know, he felt incredible, he slept incredibly, he was feeling amazing. 
 1:06:26: And he's gonna be one of our spokespeople in the next month, so you'll hear from him, and when he does come out with it, I'll be able to mention his name. 
 1:06:35: Yeah. 
 1:06:35: Yeah. 
 1:06:35: So what's the biggest surprise clinic owners get after adding Hydroheel? 
 1:06:40: The biggest surprise is that they have so many people that just are coming out of the blue saying your treatment was amazing. 
 1:06:48: I've never had that kind of treatment before. 
 1:06:50: They don't necessarily attribute to the hydrogen. 
 1:06:52: They attribute it to like the business doing something great with their existing treatments. 
 1:06:58: They, they did something different. 
 1:07:00: They don't know what it is because they don't necessarily remember the hydrogen, but people say, yeah, my patients have been telling me this, that and the other, they're feeling amazing, da da da and you know, I think it's because of the hydrogen, say, yeah, that's the only thing that's changed, right? 
 1:07:13: So yeah, that's when the clinic owner starts realizing, yeah, it is the hydrogen that's actually making their treatments and their therapies, their IVs supercharged and getting much faster, better results. 
 1:07:24: I, I, I think he's right because your patients, you've been in clinic, your patients don't subjectively know what in the clinic is making them feel better. 
 1:07:33: They just know your clinic is a clinic that made me feel better and I've been to other clinics. 
 1:07:37: I got cartel in another clinic. 
 1:07:39: I got sick the next day. 
 1:07:41: I went to this clinic over here. 
 1:07:42: I started leaping tall buildings in a single bound. 
 1:07:45: Go to that clinic. 
 1:07:46: So important. 
 1:07:47: You're, you're right. 
 1:07:48: And that's why that, especially in the med spa space, the med spa owners that, that understand it, they're, they're investing very heavily into the experience. 
 1:07:56: You walk in, everything's clean, marble, gold, and brass, very high-end luxurious feeling. 
 1:08:04: You're, you walk in, you're greeted with a beautiful person. 
 1:08:07: Would you like a refreshment? 
 1:08:09: Then they have nice, you know, relaxing spa music. 
 1:08:12: Oftentimes they'll even incorporate other like treatments just to add to that experience. 
 1:08:18: So for a med spa owner that it cares about optimizing their user experience, or patient experience, this sounds like the best add-on they have, absolutely, and you know, to segue really nicely into our next guest, Dr. 
 1:08:32: Yelena Petkovic, she's one of our physicians that works in the med spas actually. 
 1:08:38: Works in plastic surgery centers, and I'm gonna just gonna step away real quick and bring her to the mic so that you can actually interview her. 
 1:08:46: Joe Rogan swears by hydrogen water, but experts say he's missing 90% of the benefits. 
 1:08:51: Why is that? 
 1:08:52: Well, again, as we mentioned earlier, molecular hydrogen water at appropriate doses and saturation is wonderful. 
 1:08:58: It's just, orders of magnitude less efficient than absorbing molecular hydrogen through the alveoli of the lungs. 
 1:09:04: And achieving appropriate saturation of the body physiologically. 
 1:09:08: Forget cold plunges and red light therapy, is this invisible gas actually the fountain of youth science has has been searching for? 
 1:09:16: You know, again, I am not a believer in a one and done strategy. 
 1:09:21: I am, I am a proponent of a well-rounded and well and comprehensive treatment strategy. 
 1:09:27: , as a component of overall biohacking. 
 1:09:30: For instance, as you mentioned earlier, you're involved in, hormone replacement therapy and peptide therapy. 
 1:09:36: I do that, you know, I, I do that. 
 1:09:38: And I'm not saying don't do red light therapy and don't do cold plunge, but I'm saying if you had to choose. 
 1:09:44: Between cold plunge, red light, and molecular hydrogen, there, there is no contest. 
 1:09:50: Molecular hydrogen is orders of magnitude superior in stimulation of mitochondria and mitochondrial function and by extension physiologic function. 
 1:10:00: than those other strategies. 
 1:10:03: We got Doctor Helena here. 
 1:10:04: We did an intermission and, and changed the doctor. 
 1:10:06: She's a functional medicine doctor. 
 1:10:08: Why don't you just give us a little background about some of the patients that you treat and, you know, some of your work experience? 
 1:10:13: OK, so for the past 18 years, I've basically working with patients who want to Age better, reverse signs of aging, and basically have full youthful vitality and get off pharmaceutical drugs and live a more vibrant life. 
 1:10:31: And so the scope of patients that I have. 
 1:10:33: I mean, I, men and women, I've worked in age management clinics, which, you know, worked with testosterone therapy, bioidentical hormones, peptides, nutraceuticals, IV therapies, you know, this has been kind of the realm that I've been working in. 
 1:10:48: I do have a lot of, you know, perimenopausal women, you know, coming through. 
 1:10:52: , people who want to get pregnant, also a lot of women who are trying to get pregnant in their 30s, just people who are proactively trying to prepare themselves to live the longest, healthiest life that they can. 
 1:11:06: And recently, within, I think the last maybe 7 years, I've been trying to look for modalities that are pharmaceutical free even and so using things like, you know, hypoxic therapy and, hydrogen, which we're talking about, I think today, it's been something that has really interests me because I see that a lot of things are not one size for everyone, not for everyone. 
 1:11:30: There people have interactions or maybe they just don't process certain supplements well or, you know, even hormones are not for them because of their past history. 
 1:11:39: And so these types of treatments are really exciting because they're basically making it easy for the body to detoxify and do what it was designed to do by God, you know, it's like we have a repair innate repair and And things to support our bodies, right, to live well and recently in this environment that we've been living in, it's been challenging, but I'm grateful that there are things coming into the light, you know, that we can use, so. 
 1:12:09: Yeah, so this sounds like the Ultimate holistic approach to health, wellness, anti-aging for people like yourself and myself. 
 1:12:17: I'm all about getting off pharmaceuticals. 
 1:12:19: I think, yeah, I watched, I forget the, the documentary, probably like a decade ago. 
 1:12:25: I think it was called like Pharmaceutical Thugs, and it just broke down all the, the problems that these pharmaceutical drugs are causing, and they're not making us healthier, they're making us sicker. 
 1:12:37: And it's crazy. 
 1:12:39: So there's a lot of people like myself, like yourself that are looking for pharmaceutical-free lifestyles. 
 1:12:45: Would you say that this is possibly the best starting point to health and improving possible symptoms that people might be experiencing? 
 1:12:53: Getting off pharmaceuticals, or are we talking about the hydrogen now? 
 1:12:56: No, the hydrogen therapy has like somebody who is off pharmaceuticals that's looking to take a step in a healthier direction. 
 1:13:02: I mean, it's definitely, you know, other than, you know, exercise and getting sunlight and drinking, you know, appropriate amounts of water, you know, I think that it's definitely something that is the next step if you, you're suffering from Just fatigue or overall inflammation, and it's, it's a modality everybody could use. 
 1:13:24: I mean, why not find all the free oxygen in your body that is causing oxidation and inflammation and stress and just create water from it. 
 1:13:33: I mean, I think that's, that's brilliant and, you know, I'm surprised it took as long as it did to get to the US. 
 1:13:40: I'm disappointed in myself that I didn't know about it. 
 1:13:44: But you know, once I started trying it and my, you know, putting my patience on it and talking about it and then I was at a big conference and I sat in a 2.5 hour lecture looking at the science and, and I was so I mean that was really for me what I needed to see in order to believe like I understood it and I saw the difference that people were telling me they were sleeping better, they felt, you know, smarter, more creative even. 
 1:14:09: I think that's. 
 1:14:09: One of the greatest things is like their brains seemed to start working in a different way. 
 1:14:14: And, and then, but when I sat down and I saw all the ways that it was helpful, I mean, I just was a believer and started, you know, telling Mick, you know, from Hydro heel, I was like, I will help you share this because there's very few things that I have put my name behind that I've worked and spoke about because I don't believe it's for not everything is for everyone. 
 1:14:35: But this really kind of feels like it is, so, I want to see it everywhere. 
 1:14:40: I mean, I told him, put it in airports, let's open up little kiosks like everyone needs to inhale hydrogen, you know, it's great. 
 1:14:47: Yeah, absolutely. 
 1:14:48: So, you know, what was the science that you saw that kind of, you know, got you thinking about this and, and really considering this? 
 1:14:57: There's a lot of doctors out there that own clinics, med spas, IV clinics, you know, functional health clinics. 
 1:15:02: They're very science driven. 
 1:15:03: What was that science that you saw that that got you looking into hydrogen therapy? 
 1:15:07: I mean, it was just the wide scope of science that I saw. 
 1:15:12: I think that I was the most impressed by from everything from, you know, post healing from stroke to, you know, Alzheimer's and dementia to depression and anxiety to wound healing to fertility, not I, I shouldn't say fertility, but reproductive health, you know. 
 1:15:28: And there was actually an MD whose whose wife was that he was speaking about the miraculous change in his wife and endometriosis, the things that she experienced, and that was to me like very impactful because I work with a lot of women with reproductive issues and our health issues. 
 1:15:44: So I think that was, I mean, it was just the personal testimonies plus all the science and the scope of science that I was just like, wow, this is, this should. 
 1:15:54: You know, I mean, who wouldn't benefit from this, what clinic wouldn't? 
 1:15:58: And the fact that like, you know, you can't overdose. 
 1:16:01: I was really impressed that we could really, I could go out and I can speak about this to everybody and really feel like I was doing a good service to humanity, you know, talking. 
 1:16:10: Yeah, definitely. 
 1:16:11: I was at a a mastermind actually making Miami a few weeks ago, and they gave, it was the first mastermind I've been at, everybody got IVs. 
 1:16:20: They gave everybody IV. 
 1:16:21: Treatments just for health benefits. 
 1:16:23: So maybe this is gonna be the next device that's at all these high-end events instead of doing IV treatments, they're gonna be like, get yourself on the hydrogen therapy while the speakers are going for 1020 minutes at a time. 
 1:16:36: I definitely think it's more appropriate for everyone to get hydrogen than an IV and vitamin C, we shouldn't just treat everybody without me. 
 1:16:45: Supervision, supervision, right? 
 1:16:47: But I would say, yeah, this could be something that could go beyond medical clinics, but I think first and foremost, as, you know, people who are, you know, have medical licenses and take care of other people, we should be advising people, you know, if you're going to try something and you're going through something, why not try something that is as innocent as hydrogen therapy first. 
 1:17:12: We should do we should do no harm, and I just feel for so long I've had so many conflicts in my own, you know, professional career where I've had to really think about the things I was doing and was I really doing no harm or not? 
 1:17:25: And this is really something that could really make a difference and and could be used like you said it. 
 1:17:31: At events and, and parties and, you know, recovery from jet lag or, you know, after big conferences where everyone's exhausted, you know, why wouldn't we do this? 
 1:17:41: And the best thing also is IVs are now, you know, half of the IV bags and even the tubing. 
 1:17:47: Now we're finding microplastics, right? 
 1:17:49: So it's like it might even be better to not make IVs as popular as we have without knowing where the bags are coming from and the tubing is coming from and you know, there's lots of questions, yeah. 
 1:18:03: Yeah, microplastics. 
 1:18:05: I know when I found that out about all my favorite clothes were just microplastics that I was wearing, had to stop buying a lot of the brands that that I, I love like Lululemon and some of these brands, you're just wearing plastic all over your body all day. 
 1:18:18: Got dress like Don Johnson now, you know, all. 
 1:18:21: Yeah, yeah, literally. 
 1:18:22: So what type of clinic do you work at now? 
 1:18:25: You said you've you've worked in a couple of different clinics like for the, the listeners, what's your specialty? 
 1:18:29: What type of patients are you seeing? 
 1:18:31: So at this point I cover 5 different clinics. 
 1:18:36: I do all their functional medicine testing, hormone replacement, peptides. 
 1:18:40: So I read all the labs and I create programs and protocols for their patients. 
 1:18:44: And so I work in one clinic. 
 1:18:46: I cover a bunch of different clinics and then I have people who are referred to me from my patients and basically I take them to a couple different types of clinics depending on what their needs are. 
 1:18:58: Eric one that's with. 
 1:18:59: One clinic that is more wellness focused that basically they have like, you know, everything from EBO2s to methyl blue IVs to, you know, red light to fata chambers and you know, so I'll bring patients there when they need those modalities while I'm taking care of their hormones and putting them on peptides and all these other things. 
 1:19:18: I would do work in a big chain hormone replacement, so they have like the IVs and they do Botox and filler and all these other, you know, procedures. 
 1:19:27: As well. 
 1:19:28: And then I do cover a big plastic surgeon here in Miami. 
 1:19:32: I take care, I do the wellness for all of his patients and so he gives me his patients that need to, you know, be healthier, lose weight, you know, they need hormone replacement. 
 1:19:43: So I don't take patients out of their clinics. 
 1:19:46: I just take care of their patients in their clinic. 
 1:19:49: And then there are some patients that are just my patients for years and years and years and they'll follow me everywhere and referrals and Patients I will take, you know, to several different clinics depending on what they need. 
 1:19:59: So yeah, it's wellness, age management, you know, med spa type places. 
 1:20:05: And then I have a plastic surgeon. 
 1:20:07: Yeah, and another kind of wellness hormone replacement clinic, yeah, so. 
 1:20:11: Yeah, so I don't know if Mick told you I own patient acquisition. 
 1:20:14: We mostly specialize in like med spas, any high-end, you know, cosmetic surgeries, telehealth, functional health is really big now for a lot of our clients. 
 1:20:23: So pretty familiar with the space. 
 1:20:25: You mentioned plastic surgeons. 
 1:20:27: How could a plastic surgeon incorporate hydrotherapy or this device into their practice? 
 1:20:33: Well, it's excellent in my opinion. 
 1:20:36: I mean, we try, when I do get to talk to some of these patients, which I don't get to talk to all of them, but I do educate the staff and I, and I'm very close with the plastic surgeon, his wife, they're my friends for years, and they've personally been using it on themselves, a hydro heel and loving it. 
 1:20:52: And, but what we're trying to do, or I'm trying to get them to, to try to inspire patients to do is to use the device both before and after surgery. 
 1:21:02: So it's just creating the right environment for healing, basically. 
 1:21:06: So the less inflammation, the less oxidative activity going on in the body before you take have surgery, the less your body, the less challenges your body is gonna have to overcome when it's recovering from another controlled injury, right? 
 1:21:20: And, and then afterwards, obviously to create again the right environment and, and help the body focus on the healing that it has to do and not having all these like outside factors and and and I don't know the research on this yet and I, I probably have, I haven't asked him to even like anesthesia wouldn't that yeah as a matter of fact, the doctor that you you were at with in Coral Gables, OK, yeah. 
 1:21:49: Yeah, he uses it. 
 1:21:53: I've I've been doing this for a while, so I have a, a lot of friends, a lot of people who have sick to one of them and he's actually applying it the way that I wish that we bought and he's using for post-surgery wound healing. 
 1:22:08: So basically his patients are recovering like 2 to 3 times faster. 
 1:22:13: And that when you know you're dealing with surgery, you're dealing with wound closure which hydrogen has been shown to provide much faster wound closure. 
 1:22:23: I'm actually using it for diabetic foot wounds also on, on a national level, but for procedures post-surgery, it accelerates wound healing, it accelerates blood flow, it accelerates blood vessel formation. 
 1:22:34: And these are all from clinical studies. 
 1:22:36: You can just go to Google and type in hydrogen and wound recovery, and you'll see the clinical studies right there. 
 1:22:42: But we're getting tremendous results on that and you know, what also that if you heal a wound much faster, you also decrease in infection risk. 
 1:22:50: An infection can be, has a whole multitude of other issues that happens if you have an infection. 
 1:22:56: So, you know, being able to recover a lot faster from surgery is a game changer in the surgery space. 
 1:23:02: I mean, I'm talking to a few orthopedic surgeons also for that specific function also. 
 1:23:07: With like a cosmetic surgeon, they could benefit drastically from implementing this in like the post-op. 
 1:23:14: Procedure in lieu of hyperbaric oxygen, which a lot of people, that was the only I'm you know are super busy and you have to have someone who believes in it and support you, you know, but they will, you know, send me patients to talk to them and I've had a couple of the patients have had. 
 1:23:37: Post bluff, they've had a scar, you know, that they've been working on and even putting them on the goggles with the hydrogen for 15 minutes, you literally can see the difference in the scar inflammation and the redness. 
 1:23:49: I mean, it's pretty amazing that you could visually see the difference, right? 
 1:23:53: And I've also had a couple of people who have come in and done, they've done like laser peels or something at another clinic and you put. 
 1:24:00: The on it like the next day and like the inflammation in 15 minutes goes down by half. 
 1:24:05: I mean, you could visually see it. 
 1:24:07: So there's definitely every time we've applied it and and we've seen the results, some people don't feel it as much but they sleep better, you know, that day, and I definitely see also, you know, people fillers, you know, just, you know, the swelling post fillersing it right after fillers. 
 1:24:23: I mean, if. 
 1:24:24: We have 15 minutes and are willing to invest, you know, an extra $80 you know, they're gonna see better, you know, they're gonna look better right after they're gonna feel better. 
 1:24:34: And, you know, we've already seen by the results, you know, the neovascularization or just the, the inflammation and things that are already improving, right? 
 1:24:42: And the patients don't care as much about that as I feel better and I look better, you know what I mean? 
 1:24:47: Right. 
 1:24:48: Well, you've worked in meds spots. 
 1:24:50: What's the number one question these patients are asking for a lot of these like laser devices, RF microneedling is, how long am I gonna be out, right? 
 1:24:58: Like how long, what's the downtime? 
 1:24:59: They want to know how long that they're gonna, their face is gonna be all red and inflamed because they want to go out and live life. 
 1:25:06: So for a med spa, I mean this Seems like no brainer for them to add on strictly for decreasing the, the post-op downtime. 
 1:25:16: Yeah, 100%. 
 1:25:17: I mean, it's for me, I mean, in my mind, the way that I see everything and what makes sense, it seems like the most, the best investment, you know, holistic benefits, it's, it's what you see and what you don't see. 
 1:25:29: I mean, it's your whole body is getting blessed. 
 1:25:31: You know what I'm saying, by 15 minutes of rehaing hydrogen, and I think for, you know, the owners, they, this will set them apart if they do this right now. 
 1:25:38: I mean, we're literally on the brink of like the future of medicine right now where people, we're understanding what we can do for the body, right? 
 1:25:44: And, and how investing in the body over time is really the best anti-aging, right? 
 1:25:50: So if you get ahead of the inflammation. 
 1:25:52: And you're taking care of some of these things and helping the digestive system, ideal environments for digestion, ideal environments for healing, ideal, you know, you're gonna be preventing, I mean, We, we haven't even begun to understand, right, what we're doing. 
 1:26:07: Maybe we're even preventing, I mean, let's, we don't even understand cancer till today, right? 
 1:26:11: Is it this parasite toxin, virus mix, you know, but I think that when you're treating, not attacking specific conditions, but you're really looking at what can we do so that the body can optimally function at every time, like optimize detox. 
 1:26:28: ific ation optimize, you know, immunity, optimize healing, then you're letting the body take care of things as they come up and I, you know, that's the way I see it. 
 1:26:37: So I think like this should be something, it's almost like a crime if we don't start doing stuff like this in the clinic, you know, yeah. 
 1:26:44: Yeah, it's your guys's responsibility and right to get this out to the rest of the world. 
 1:26:49: It really is. 
 1:26:49: It really is, yeah. 
 1:26:51: Dr. 
 1:26:51: Yen is super passionate about this. 
 1:26:54: And you know, it's amazing how this one thing, hydrogen, which is a molecule that's available in space and is part of our water can make such a big difference. 
 1:27:04: But the true beauty of what we're able to do with hydroheel is be able to provide such a high concentration of it at a level that's bioavailable, medical grade, and be able to facilitate that not only breathing but also with water. 
 1:27:18: We make hydrogen water. 
 1:27:20: We also have the goggles that Milena just mentioned and we also have the head. 
 1:27:23: So what are the goggles? 
 1:27:24: We didn't, we didn't talk about that yet. 
 1:27:25: Can you dive into what the goggles do, Doctor Yena? 
 1:27:29: But basically just to let everyone know, I mean, you have the, you have certain tubing that you can use to inhale and then you, there's sure for you can put headphones on, which is basically infusing, you know, the best way possible into the brain, right? 
 1:27:45: The hydrogen. 
 1:27:46: And then there is the goggles, which is for eye health, and I think a lot of people should be concerned about their eyes, right, that are not right now, but if you do have a condition, this is the best way to basically get it into the area that most needs it, right? 
 1:27:59: And so he can tell you a little bit more, yeah. 
 1:28:01: Yeah, absolutely. 
 1:28:01: You know, the thing is, is hydrogen supercharges the mitochondria. 
 1:28:04: Where's the highest concentration of mitochondria in our bodies, right? 
 1:28:07: It's in our brain, it's in our eyes, it's in our heart and our liver, OK. 
 1:28:12: And so when you're able to supercharge the mitochondria by 10-fold, that's 1000%, that's 10-fold. 
 1:28:19: When you're able to supercharge the mitochondria by 10-fold, you're able to regenerate those organs, the tissue of those organs, and that's what's the real power of the hydrogen. 
 1:28:28: It's able to regenerate new cells and be able to recycle, say UV damaged or, you know, damaged cells in your tissue. 
 1:28:39: And with the goggles, it pushes the hydrogen gas into a sea compartment around the eyes, so it's pushing the hydrogen against your ocular tissue, so it's able to help reverse situations of macular degeneration, cataracts, there are clinical studies that you can just Google about this and see what I'm talking about. 
 1:28:58: And I, vision loss. 
 1:29:00: So that's how it helps with the eyes, you know, with the brain, you know, you're dealing with closed head injuries, stroke patients, you're dealing with Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, you're dealing with dementia, those are specific to the brain because it helps decrease the oxidative damage on the substantia nigra and it also helps create new neuronal cells, otherwise known as brain cells. 
 1:29:22: So that's the function of the hydrogen. 
 1:29:24: Within your brain. 
 1:29:25: And people, we're actually getting amazing results for people with migraine headaches, you know, because what is, what is really is a migraine. 
 1:29:31: You take anti-inflammatory for migraine because what migraines are triggered by is the constriction of the blood vessels by your, by the tissue in the brain. 
 1:29:40: So if you're able to relieve that inflammation and that constriction on the blood vessels, you're able to relieve the duration, severity, and frequency of these migraines. 
 1:29:50: So within 1 hour to 2 hours of actually doing the headphones for a patient with migraine headaches, their migraine headache actually goes away. 
 1:29:58: So, you know, it's very powerful anti-inflammatory and what is the biggest cause of a lot of the disease states in our bodies because of oxidative damage and inflammation. 
 1:30:07: So, Doctor Yelena, most clinics, most patients you're probably seeing have never heard of, of hydrogen therapy. 
 1:30:13: What's working best right now for clinics? 
 1:30:15: To really introduce this therapy to some of their patients, how can they do that best? 
 1:30:21: Two ways that I've seen that it works is if they're getting an IV, ask them if they want an add-on, you know, and this, and explain to them what this could do for them, and they're sitting there anyway, and, you know, they're taking time out of their day, they've driven in traffic and, you know, they're there for a reason, right? 
 1:30:39: They, something's going on in their life. 
 1:30:40: That they're receiving an IV. 
 1:30:42: So the fact that you can just add on again for depending, we charge $100 extra, but it depends on the clinic or how much, you know, you're able to charge $50 to $100 add on to something. 
 1:30:54: I think patients will be very open to it, or at least they have been, you know, when they're already at IV. 
 1:30:59: And the other way is when patients are waiting in the waiting room and there's, you know, some delays going on. 
 1:31:06: And you know, you can just be like, hey, while you're waiting, would you like to get a service that's going to help you decrease inflammation, create water where there's when, where there's oxidative stress. 
 1:31:16: It'll help with your digestion, help with your energy, help you sleep. 
 1:31:19: It'll, you know, people even say they look better, you know, they're less, their face is less inflamed. 
 1:31:25: Yeah, so I mean, would you like to do this while you're waiting? 
 1:31:28: And that's, I think the beginning, right? 
 1:31:30: Trying to get, if you already have an IV practice, if you're already having You know, kind of busy practice and have patients already there and they want to utilize their time. 
 1:31:38: We want to be efficient, and I think that offering something like that is a, is a service. 
 1:31:43: And then also, in addition, if they're doing any procedure at all and, you know, explaining to them, hey, this could help you heal faster and I like what Mick said is that if it is The surgical procedure, I mean, the, the faster your wounds heal, whatever is going on, I mean, the less likely you'll have any secondary issues, you know, infections and such. 
 1:32:01: So like if it was me, I would say yes, but I know not everybody's there, you know, understanding of all of these things, but if you have a, a person or a couple of people on the staff that maybe have tried it. 
 1:32:13: And have been using it that are passionate about it. 
 1:32:15: This is the best chance you're going to get to transmit that message to patients and really invite them into empowering themselves with the power of hydrogen, right? 
 1:32:24: You can get the hydrogen bottles now, you know, online and Amazon or whatever, but also the tablets, people are writing me, oh, can I take the tablets? 
 1:32:32: I'm like, yeah, you can take 500 of those tablets. 
 1:32:42: And you can come in and like my vision is like I think every house should have a hydrogen. 
 1:32:48: I mean, it's even sounds ridiculous to me to even drive in and do like 2 or 3 hydrogen. 
 1:32:53: It's just like a machine and treat your family. 
 1:32:56: I mean, just have it around, you know, and your mom. 
 1:32:59: Your dad, your, you know, whatever, you, you're like now all of a sudden you're an empowered healer, right, that you get to treat somebody with something that really has no side effects, right? 
 1:33:09: And, and make a big difference. 
 1:33:11: So I think that clinics could also be talking to patients about this, you know, I think it's all about empowering yourself with things that are, you know, safe and that you can do for yourself. 
 1:33:21: And people you care about, I think that's huge and we should be there, you know, we're all have the internet, we're all our consciousness is elevated, you know, we're, we're we're smarter than we've ever been in in certain ways, maybe not at all, but you know, people want that, you know, they don't want to have to make an appointment and run to the doctor to do something that's good for them. 
 1:33:42: In those cases they're not familiar with it though. 
 1:33:44: In the medspa setting, you know, there are so many procedures that cause so much inflammation and, how do you feel that it so far and what you've seen and the ability to be more pervasive among more of the facial procedures, rejuvenation procedures, how do you feel that the hydrogen can help in those situations? 
 1:34:05: Yeah, I think we talked about it, but I, I definitely think like people don't want downtime, so it's like if you want less downtime, you want to look better quicker. 
 1:34:13: I mean, and. 
 1:34:14: Not only that, I think that there's like a good inflammation. 
 1:34:17: We all talk about this, like sometimes it's good to have a little inflammation or, you know, you want those, you know, there's certain processes in the bodies that require it in order to have some healing. 
 1:34:26: But then there's another part of it, you know, pain induced inflammation, stress-induced anxiety, and a lot of patients are just like really scared and worried, like right after they've had something done. 
 1:34:37: And I think to give them something to, you know, hey, you can come in and do this treatment that doesn't have any side effects to help you with. 
 1:34:43: Inflammation instead of giving you Tylenol or Advil or or something else that could have other issues, you know, cause other issues. 
 1:34:51: So I think in that regard, it's just letting people know, hey, if you need something and you need to heal faster, we have it for you. 
 1:34:59: And if you're worried, come in and do a hydrogen procedure. 
 1:35:02: It might, it might just help you feel, get to the place that you feel more comfortable quicker. 
 1:35:08: I think that's powerful. 
 1:35:09: And you know I have a couple of my pain management doctors actually. 
 1:35:13: They've used the hydrogen for 4 or 5 sessions on patients and patients are reporting reversal or basically that their neck and back pain is going away, phenomenal. 
 1:35:23: And they're actually petitioning their workers' comp carriers to negotiate with us for a better price, to be able to take the machine home and stuff. 
 1:35:31: So it has a lot more, there'll be a lot more things that will come down the pipe, but you know, neuropathic pain is one of those things you can Google hydrogen neuropathic pain and you'll see the studies on that. 
 1:35:40: Do, but I mean there is, you know, I listen, you can go. 
 1:35:44: I, it depends on how deep you could go, but there is definitely, yes, is there a placebo? 
 1:35:49: There, there's always placebo or something great that, but we see when you can see it in the science of what happens and when you apply hydrogen to certain, you know, disease processes and inflammatory processes, you see it, you can see it. 
 1:36:01: So we have seen it. 
 1:36:03: But I also think like a lot, everything that we go through has also like a psychological kind of component and even the fact that it helps with anxiety and depression and inflammation in the brain and so how much of the fear that we're, you know, perceiving is causing inflammation. 
 1:36:19: And just by having something that you could just apply, right, when you need it, I mean, that's so powerful like that you're able to help calm yourself down in many ways. 
 1:36:28: Like here's something safe, here's something I can do for myself, here's something that makes me feel better. 
 1:36:32: I know when I got food poisoning, I told you, right? 
 1:36:34: And like I put the hydrogen on right away and it did help, you know, but I think it was like I knew it wasn't going to be as bad, you know, I was like. 
 1:36:42: OK, this, I'm going to inhale it, and I did feel better. 
 1:36:45: You're in a safe zone. 
 1:36:47: Yeah, exactly. 
 1:36:47: I did feel better. 
 1:36:48: I was like, oh wow, like, and, and I recovered very fast. 
 1:36:51: Now what of the 3 or 4 things I did that helped it, you know, or how long would it have been anyway, but I just think it's a really empowering, helpful, safe tool that it makes sense, you know, that people would have it. 
 1:37:05: Yeah, so what's like the 32nd pitch to anybody who's not hurt, to somebody who's not heard of hydrogen therapy? 
 1:37:11: How would you pitch it to somebody in 30 seconds or less so that they can see the benefits? 
 1:37:15: You know, we, I, I always tell people this is like antioxidant, OK? 
 1:37:19: It's a hydrogen is the smallest molecule in the universe. 
 1:37:22: We're made up mostly of water, more hydrogen than anything then, right? 
 1:37:25: H2O, right, if we're mostly water. 
 1:37:28: And so this is basically inhaling it. 
 1:37:30: It's going to find all the oxidative stress, all the series that are in your body that are not, that are causing issues, and it's going to create water in those areas. 
 1:37:39: So you're not only gonna, what our our huge problem is that we're not hydrated, that's one of the biggest things. 
 1:37:45: And now we're creating water down in the cellular level, right, which is just gonna help your body communicate, and feel less, yeah, it's just going to optimize all cellular function, right? 
 1:37:56: Because that's what we are and when we are what we are to the greatest capacity, we're gonna do our best, right? 
 1:38:02: And you have an antioxidant, you know, that we're always trying to eat like, you know, more berries or take supplements, but here we have something that really is so safe that we can heal, that we can create water, that we can decrease inflammation, that we can prevent aging, inflammation, aging, oxidation, we can prevent it. 
 1:38:21: Now with this tool, so this is how I present it to patients and patients are conceptually all for it, you know, and then they try it and then they feel better and then it's all about, well, how much better could I feel if I do this more often, and that's a conversation. 
 1:38:37: Yeah, doctor just said, you know, the intracellular water that is created by the hydrogen is actually the worst of the free radicals which are the. 
 1:38:46: Hydroxyl radicals with molecular structure of OH. 
 1:38:49: When H2 combines with OH, it turns that molecule into water, H2O. 
 1:38:55: So OH and H2 turn into H2O, and that's intracellular water and that's what also improves hydration because you have water now inside your tissue that's a byproduct of neutralizing the worst of the free radicals causing the oxidative damage and inflammation in your body. 
 1:39:11: So. 
 1:39:11: And then the second worst of the free radicals that Doctor Carter mentioned earlier is the peroxy nitrites. 
 1:39:16: Those are the 2nd worst of the free radicals. 
 1:39:18: Those are turned into nitric oxide. 
 1:39:20: And so nitric oxide is also good for you. 
 1:39:23: So it's amazing that it turns the worst, not into like, debris, but actually stuff that's actually good for the rest of your body's metabolic function. 
 1:39:31: Yeah, so all we need to do now is just, you know, hydrogen rooms, right. 
 1:39:36: Yeah, well, yeah, salt rooms are like really popular right now. 
 1:39:43: Pretty soon these, we're gonna, like you said, we're gonna have hydrogen rooms where you just step inside, it's pumped with nothing but hydrogen. 
 1:39:49: You don't even need to put the tubes in your nostrils. 
 1:39:51: Yeah, we're actually coming out with hydrogen baths right now too. 
 1:39:54: The look 25 that doctor also knows about is being used for cosmetic function treatment post-treatment. 
 1:40:01: Yeah, so it's. 
 1:40:02: Able to significantly improve the reduce the inflammation, redness, you know, after this microneedling and some of these other procedures that, you know, there's really no other option. 
 1:40:11: Those are amazing. 
 1:40:12: I don't know if you've seen that, but it's pretty amazing and I, I got an upgrade, right? 
 1:40:17: Yeah, we actually, we just bought a patent to be able to make the hydrogen so much more concentrated in the order of 1,800% more. 
 1:40:27: And that lasts not for one hour but for years. 
 1:40:31: Talk about the, the look 25. 
 1:40:33: What, what exactly is it being used for? 
 1:40:36: How, how is it applied? 
 1:40:37: Yeah, so it's amazing, you know, we developed it as a result of, two clinical studies that came out showing how hydrogen is able to reverse wrinkles in 6 to 8 weeks. 
 1:40:47: It's able to normalize oily skin, it's able to hydrate or moisturize dry sk. 
 1:40:52: Skin and also fade away age spots. 
 1:40:55: That's one study. 
 1:40:55: The second study talked about how it is amazing for acne and redness, so rosacea, things of that nature. 
 1:41:02: So we've developed a product with that in mind to replicate the process by which you get those same results, and that's called Look 25. 
 1:41:11: It look25.com is the website and we have an IG that is the same name, look 25. 
 1:41:17: But basically by essentially putting in distilled water into this device, the device is generating hydrogen and oxygen in real time and infusing it into the water and atomizes and settles as a mist on your face, and then then that mist is able to penetrate deep into the dermal layers of skin and supercharge your fibroblasts within your skin to produce both collagen and elastin, not from animals like you have from those drinks of collagen and whatnot, but your own collagen, your own elastin. 
 1:41:47: And that is what really makes the difference for wrinkles. 
 1:41:50: And at the same time, it resurfaces the epithelial skin layer so that your, the texture and the pigmentation of your skin normalizes and becomes healthy, and so it basically eliminates fine lines and wrinkles, especially with our new water in a matter of 2 to 3 weeks. 
 1:42:06: Wow. 
 1:42:06: So this is like the holistic Botox. 
 1:42:09: Yeah, well, I don't want to get in trouble with Botox, but yeah. 
 1:42:14: This is, this is the holistic neurotoxin alternative, let's put it that way. 
 1:42:19: Yeah, yeah, I don't want to piss off any of those big companies. 
 1:42:22: They, they make billions. 
 1:42:24: They'll tie you up in court. 
 1:42:26: But I think this is what we want, right? 
 1:42:28: I mean, we wouldn't be using any of these other things if we had something that had no, that can only benefit and is healthy and not only that, I love the fact that I just started using 25, so that's why I don't look 25 yet. 
 1:42:42: You're getting closer, but I want to. 
 1:42:45: I'm like, can you use me as like a protege of all of your things. 
 1:42:49: But I love the fact that you can just, you just have to have access to distilled water and you basically can continue to use this device. 
 1:42:56: Like it's not like other things where you have to like get a subscription every, you know, and like keep buying all these stuff and but I think that. 
 1:43:04: That's like, that's hope, you know, that's kind of where we want to go. 
 1:43:08: We don't, I don't think anybody really wants to be injecting anything into like if if there was if there was another way. 
 1:43:14: Yeah, there's so much talk on social media now about the fillers like as you get older, those fillers like start showing up, you know, when you start when you face when your facial collagen starts receding, then those fillers start like showing us bumps and all kinds of things. 
 1:43:29: It's the surgeons. 
 1:43:31: They're like, don't we do this. 
 1:43:34: What'll happen, you know, but yeah, I mean, it's not ideal. 
 1:43:37: Like nothing injected is not made of your body into your body is ideal, right? 
 1:43:42: but I think that, you know, exosomes, you know, we're kind of moving in this regenerative and now, I mean, I believe one day we're going to just be able to like just visualize like our minds are going to be so powerful, right, that our bodies will be preserved and like optimized by just the power of our, that's that's my personal thought. 
 1:44:01: But then you know. 
 1:44:04: These things are really helpful. 
 1:44:06: I think we all want them, you know, so I'm, I think there's so much more, you know, that is to come, but I definitely think this is a step in the right direction. 
 1:44:14: Yeah, I need to get one of those look 25s make, cause everybody's like I work in the meds spot space so like Daniel, whenever you're ready for Botox, but I just can't get behind getting Botox injected into my face. 
 1:44:25: Nothing against it for people that do, but maybe as as a guy and, you know, someone who's been all natural holistic for, yeah, a very long time now. 
 1:44:34: , you look 25 might be what I need. 
 1:44:37: 100%. 
 1:44:37: I got you. 
 1:44:39: How much does look $25 cost? 
 1:44:41: It's only $2299 and it has a one year warranty. 
 1:44:44: It's rechargeable and refillable, so it lasts forever. 
 1:44:48: So super easy and it replaces most of your skincare routine, you know, people who have oily skin, for example, it modulates the production of sebum so that you don't, your face like gets less oily and, you know, people are out west. 
 1:45:01: Who are dealing, you know, from Colorado all the way west to California, you know, your face is falling off every day without moisturizer. 
 1:45:08: So, you know, it basically moisturizes your skin, it tightens those pores, it regenerates all of the epithelial skin layer with new healthy cells. 
 1:45:16: It's pretty dramatic. 
 1:45:18: So 5 years from now, do you guys think hydrogen therapy is gonna be as accepted in common practice? 
 1:45:24: As you know, massages and all these wellness clinics are 100%. 
 1:45:28: Yeah, we're gonna be really promoting in multiple verticals, you know, the med spa, the wellness, the longevity space, the health space. 
 1:45:40: When I say health, I'm talking about medical space. 
 1:45:42: We're, we have a very strategic plan to be able to get to people with terminal diseases and autoimmune conditions that have run out of options. 
 1:45:53: We're also working with the military on optimizing our troops, so we're working with the military on that, so that's pretty exciting also. 
 1:46:01: And then also in, you know, pain, pain and pain management is such a huge area that really doesn't have many options that are healthy, that, you know, what do you call it, opioids. 
 1:46:13: Have really destroyed our country in many ways and to be able to offer an alternative that is healthy and can have long-term effects on everybody's body is amazing. 
 1:46:24: See what hydrogen does, it gets to the root cause of all of. 
 1:46:28: These metabolic disease conditions, which is cellular dysfunction. 
 1:46:31: All the medications that you take are basically, yeah, well, think of a runaway train, which is our body, right, going down this aging path and this degenerative path, this runaway train. 
 1:46:43: You know, has all these, you know, is making a lot of noise and everything like that. 
 1:46:47: There's nothing taking bringing it back to the station. 
 1:46:49: This runaway train, when you take these drugs or these medications, it's just getting rid of the noise that the train makes, but it's still going down that path. 
 1:46:56: Hydrogen is able to slow that train down, stop it, and have it come back to the station. 
 1:47:01: So that's a little sub analogy that a lot of people can relate to. 
 1:47:05: About how hydrogen is different from a lot of traditional medicine. 
 1:47:09: Yeah, and, and I mean, the functional health space is, is blowing up right now. 
 1:47:13: Everybody wants to get their genetic testing, their, their blueprinting done, and it starts with labs, possible peptide treatments, hormone optimization. 
 1:47:23: They could start with hydrogen therapy without having to even get any labs or anything and see benefits like almost immediately. 
 1:47:30: I mean, it, it may be better, I mean. 
 1:47:32: This is just, I was one of those like neurotic like test everything, know everything, treat everything, and then you just become fearful of everything and all day long you're just like biohacking and you become like this neurotic person. 
 1:47:45: It's not fun. 
 1:47:46: It's not. 
 1:47:47: So you move through it and you're just like, well, what if I just treat like there's myself, like there's a lot of things that are off, like nourish my body while work on sleep. 
 1:47:56: If I'm not sleeping, let's focus there. 
 1:47:58: You know, move my body if I'm not moving, you know, and then half of your issues go away. 
 1:48:03: I'm sure if you 3 months later, you're like your labs are gonna look totally different or even a month later, even a week later. 
 1:48:09: So it's interesting to be before we're spending thousands and thousands of dollars on all these things, it's just like, why don't you just like take a break and like focus on just supporting your body, right, supporting it and just loving it and Let's just pretend I have all the issues. 
 1:48:23: I have all the forever and then tests, you know, after, and then you're, and maybe you don't even need to do as many tests, right? 
 1:48:30: And then you have to take as many thousands of supplements or maybe your hormones or, you know, you thought you were perimenopausal and you're not, you know, it's just like you were super inflamed and your body couldn't detox out some stuff. 
 1:48:40: So I mean, in my mind it would be the most sensical thing. 
 1:48:45: To be not approaching things the way that we are right now. 
 1:48:48: Unfortunately, people want, you know, to see everything and like study everything and take everything right now, but I think that gets old fast and after a while you're questioning yourself and everything, right? 
 1:49:01: And, and how much are you getting really, you know, if there's just, you need so many things to feel great, you know. 
 1:49:08: So I think if we had like these, you know, these stations of places where you could get, you know, so maybe something's off, you don't feel well, OK, you're doing hydrogen, you do some red light, you do some infrared, you know, you get, you know, exercise, you focus on maybe muscle, you know, I don't know, like. 
 1:49:24: So somebody's got to put together these places, right, where we just go and like take a break and like do this first and then you're gonna see a lot of the symptoms are gonna go away and you're gonna feel better. 
 1:49:34: You may not even think you have anything anymore, right? 
 1:49:37: And I don't know, maybe you don't have to go through this like long complicated health journey, right? 
 1:49:42: But that's just like a. 
 1:49:44: Vision of what I think like it would be great and will we get there when? 
 1:49:48: I don't know, but I do believe if you believe that we can heal with very simple things, I think that that is a great first step. 
 1:49:55: Like you are, your body is perfect, it's designed perfectly. 
 1:49:59: There's stuff happening. 
 1:50:00: We've got to get rid of some of this, the stuff in the way of your body operating. 
 1:50:04: And if you believe that it can be simple and you tell that to patients, like, it's not gonna be that difficult. 
 1:50:10: You don't have to, you know, start going all over the place. 
 1:50:13: Just that thought alone, I think people are gonna be more open to, you know, doing the simple stuff first. 
 1:50:21: Yeah, it all starts with faith and like you said, placebo, right? 
 1:50:24: That's what science calls essentially faith is is placebo. 
 1:50:28: There is effect that, that it has. 
 1:50:30: And when you believe things and start believing things can be very powerful in, in your health and healing journey. 
 1:50:36: I just got all my blood tests done. 
 1:50:38: I was all excited. 
 1:50:39: I interviewed this like functional health clinic and they were just talking about some morelin and some of these emerging peptides and how they just sleep so much better. 
 1:50:47: So I'm like, OK, I'm gonna go get my labs done and hopefully, you know, my doctor's gonna prescribe me some morelin and What, whatever else. 
 1:50:54: I get my labs done. 
 1:50:55: He's like, you're perfect. 
 1:50:56: I, I actually can't, there's nothing I need to prescribe you. 
 1:50:58: Like my, everything was, my hormones were optimized. 
 1:51:01: The only thing was he's like, spend more time, try and get more vitamin D. 
 1:51:03: I just, I spend like 1216 hours a day sometimes on a computer. 
 1:51:06: So I was a little disappointed. 
 1:51:08: But at least I don't have to get on all these expensive therapies to, to optimize things cause I'm all about holistic, you know, I, I drink the cleanest water, only organic. 
 1:51:17: Don't got off all pharmaceuticals. 
 1:51:20: I, I try to never go to a doctor for really anything. 
 1:51:23: Like, I mean, a functional health doctor, I would do something like that, let the labs and customize something to me. 
 1:51:28: But I think a lot of people are like that. 
 1:51:30: They're starting to wake up with, you know, what happened with, you know, with COVID and everything. 
 1:51:34: People are really starting to question these traditional practices and turning more toward holistic therapy. 
 1:51:41: So, I mean this could really be the starting point for so many people to just really optimize their, their body, mind and spirit. 
 1:51:50: Yeah, and, you know, with that, a lot of people are talking about detoxing, right? 
 1:51:54: So hydrogen, and you can type in hydrogen fatty liver and on Google and you can see exactly what I'm about to say. 
 1:52:01: But it actually regenerates your liver. 
 1:52:04: It's able to cleanse your liver and your liver is the, the cleaner of your body, correct? 
 1:52:09: it cleanses all the toxins, that's what if your liver is not working properly, all the toxins that are getting built up in your body and your tissue. 
 1:52:17: So you optimize your liver, you're able. 
 1:52:18: To speed up that removal of toxins from your body. 
 1:52:21: And so a lot of people are suffering from fatty liver due to insulin resistance, due to toxins, alcohol consumption, things of that nature, pharmaceuticals, overuse of pharmaceuticals, especially opioids and things of that nature. 
 1:52:35: And the hydrogen is able to actually cleanse the liver and regenerate the liver. 
 1:52:40: Yeah, I mean that's, that's super powerful for detoxing. 
 1:52:44: Yeah, out of all the options, I mean, which one are you gonna do, right? 
 1:52:48: I mean, obviously changing your lifestyle is good and avoiding like you're cleaning yourself. 
 1:52:53: While you're swimming in the swamp, I mean, it's like stop doing the stuff that's making it difficult for you to be healthy, you know, but in the meantime, yeah, doing things like I think that the reason why we even need hydrogen is because of the fact like the earth is so dirty and the air is dirty and the water is dirty and You know, it's just like that's why we need these things. 
 1:53:13: Obviously, like we didn't probably need this a few 100 years, I mean, I don't even know I can't even like 1000 years ago, whatever, but I think that it's just been really difficult, you know, for the body to handle and then we make it harder by taking You know, over the counter drugs or you know, over the counter drugs and drinking alcohol and you know it's like the excessive amount. 
 1:53:39: I mean we never had this much money in previous generations to just go out and have 5 drinks and whatever bottle of wine. 
 1:53:45: You know, so everyone's just drinking and everything's dirty and so now our body needs extra, right? 
 1:53:51: We need help. 
 1:53:52: We could stop doing all those things, our body will need less help. 
 1:53:55: You give the body something, you know, like hydrogen, it kind of creates less work for the body, right? 
 1:54:01: So that if there is a problem or a parasite or You know, something's off, it can use its energy to take care of that and not all the inflammation and all the other stuff. 
 1:54:09: So we're more efficient. 
 1:54:10: I think that's what it does is it helps our bodies become more efficient and yeah, to deal with what is thrown at us, right? 
 1:54:18: And then, you know, if you manage your mind, then you have an extra layer. 
 1:54:22: It's like I think this is the types of things, conversations we should be having with people, and but it's a good. 
 1:54:28: You know, it's, it's a great tool. 
 1:54:31: They are, I think the conversations are are starting to happen, and I think with those conversations, you know, med spas have a certain responsibility also to, and physicians in longevity have responsibility for education, right? 
 1:54:43: And when they educate the Hundreds or thousands in some cases of people that are part of their practice, they're able to educate them on things that will actually make a difference in their lives, not just things that will generate revenue, but also make a difference in their lives in the long run. 
 1:55:01: There's always going to be something that we can, you know, I mean. 
 1:55:05: Yeah, peptides are huge moneymakers, right? 
 1:55:07: Supplements are huge, you know, but it's like they're great tools, you know, sometimes people need them. 
 1:55:13: I mean, it's just a horrones. 
 1:55:14: I mean, you need all these things. 
 1:55:16: Do we want, I, I, but I think that we should always trust that there's going to be something else on the horizon that we could still create, you know, have more time and space to create wealth, you know, and Even if, you know, clinics were like, OK, we're gonna just add this on all of our services, but then just tell patients to take the machine home. 
 1:55:34: I mean, once everybody in the world has a hydrogen machine, believe me, there's going to be something else that we need. 
 1:55:40: Like we don't have to worry about creating jobs for ourselves as people who are, you know, here to support people's greatness, you know, in terms of like their body or their mind or their health. 
 1:55:50: There's always gonna be something. 
 1:55:51: There's always is another need, we can, we can expand to greater things. 
 1:55:54: We can utilize our time for something, you know, even more like I would say like high vibrational, right, we don't have to be down here in the dirt with everyone, we're gonna be like, OK, let's go up here. 
 1:56:04: OK, let's go here. 
 1:56:05: So I don't think that, you know, I think that we should be do the right thing, you know, and just be responsible and talk about the right things and it's gonna come back to us. 
 1:56:14: So reciprocity. 
 1:56:16: Yeah, it all comes. 
 1:56:17: Back to you, you, you know, you, they call it karma, cause and science calls it cause and effect, Newton's Third Law, everything does come back to you and I think that, you know, putting those, those out there, having these conversations is definitely opening things up, you know, I've just seen the blow up of this over the last few years, especially I think with the telehealth space, that was really the first step with COVID, happening, you know, people started accepting telehealth, then, you know, the weight loss make, obviously, you knew blew up. 
 1:56:46: I've witnessed that been a direct impact to that, that happening as well. 
 1:56:50: And that then turned into peptides, you know, all this, this bio testing and, and testing your, your biology, your genetics, and really seeing what is best for you. 
 1:56:59: Now, we have hydrogen therapy as the next big thing that is happening. 
 1:57:03: I mean, Joe Rogan swears by hydrogen water, but, you know, Experts are saying he misses 90% of the benefits. 
 1:57:11: Why is that? 
 1:57:12: Well yeah, I think, essentially he's not getting the high concentration that's available. 
 1:57:18: I was just talking to Gary Breka last week and he was saying, I love hydrogen. 
 1:57:22: I have a hydrogen inhalation machine at home, but yeah, it's one of those things where you need to have the right concentration. 
 1:57:28: It's all about dose, right? 
 1:57:30: You take peptide and you take 0.1 mLs, it's not gonna do anything. 
 1:57:33: You take 10, I mean, or 1 mL and it's gonna be the right dose. 
 1:57:38: So it's the same thing with hydrogen. 
 1:57:39: If you want a certain benefit, you need to get the right dose. 
 1:57:43: And in spite of the fact that there's so many different metabolic disease conditions that have positive clinical studies with very little amount of hydrogen, when you're able to have much higher concentration, this is one case whereby you get a dramatically better result. 
 1:57:59: So, doctor, I mean, you, you've worked in wellness clinics, functional health, med spas, cosmetic surgeries. 
 1:58:05: You, you've done a lot and worked in pretty much every anti-aging modality. 
 1:58:11: Why is hydrogen therapy The next big thing. 
 1:58:14: Basically, I feel that it holistically benefits the body and it is for everyone, and there are, it's safe. 
 1:58:23: I believe that those three things that, you know, it, it, yes, you can target beauty, right? 
 1:58:28: You can say I just want to look better, I want my skin to be less inflamed and I just want, yeah, I want less wrinkles or whatever. 
 1:58:36: But if you're inhaling hydrogen, you're not only going to get the beauty benefits, you're also gonna get digestive improvement. 
 1:58:41: You're also going. 
 1:58:42: To get better brain clarity like you're gonna, there's, there's so many benefits to it. 
 1:58:48: So it's a segue, even if you're treating one thing, everyone will realize there's so many other benefits and then they're gonna want to know how they can get more of that, you know, from one condition to another, right, as they're moving through their concerns. 
 1:59:01: And I do think that eventually I think it's not gonna only be in clinics. 
 1:59:06: I mean, I think, I think doctors, clinics, they should be the first ones that help people. 
 1:59:11: This way, but I, I really think there's going to be like hydrogen kiosks and there's gonna be places of, you know, wellness that don't require any medical person, you know, to, to manage it. 
 1:59:22: People should be able to receive this, you know, this is just like drinking filtered water, you know, we should be able to inhale hydrogen, you know. 
 1:59:31: So that's why I feel like it's the next big thing. 
 1:59:34: And me personally, I just, I said, I've been on a mission and I've really been thinking about like aligning everything with my values and who I am. 
 1:59:41: And there's so many things that if I'm really real about it that I can't really stand by or align myself with, the more and more conscious I become, and hydrogen fits not only who I am today, but it fits the future, and I believe that I want to be talking about things that You know, I could give to my grandmother or, you know, to my child or to my mom and dad and feel 100% certain that I'm giving them good advice, you know, that it's going to be good for them. 
 2:00:08: And so these are the types of questions that I think all of us get to ask ourselves is where, where you, we only have a certain amount of energy and time and And if we're going to use our voice, what are you going to use your voice for, right? 
 2:00:22: And so this is the reason I think we are having an awakening in the medical field and a lot of people are feeling these types of conflicts within themselves and and what they're doing, and they want to first help themselves, obviously be vibrant and live these amazing lives. 
 2:00:38: that we can model health. 
 2:00:39: And as we do that, you're going to see a lot of the stuff that we've been doing in the past doesn't make sense and we want to invest our time and energy into things that really do make a difference for us. 
 2:00:49: And then we want to share that with other people. 
 2:00:51: And this is really how collectively I think we're going to be better, you know, for ourselves and everyone. 
 2:00:58: And change things. 
 2:00:59: And so it's just a movement in the right direction. 
 2:01:01: Like I said, eventually, I think we are very powerful in the way that we think and the choices we make. 
 2:01:08: But until we all realize that we need tools that do no harm and that can help us function at our peak level, you know, our peak. 
 2:01:17: Yeah, I think people do are starting to realize it. 
 2:01:20: I mean, I'm a firm believer that that we are all children of God regardless of what religion you you believe in, we come From something and when we can tap into that divine source, there's infinite potential, we can create things like a hydrogen device and we're the only creature that can actually bring to life our own thoughts and ideas. 
 2:01:40: And this, like you said, it's, it's in alignment with the, the conscious collective, the movement of everything, and even these peptides, which are, are great and have changed people's lives. 
 2:01:50: We still don't have any data on them. 
 2:01:51: They're still relatively new. 
 2:01:53: We don't know the negative implications. 
 2:01:54: of doing peptide therapy and some of these therapies when and this has no negative effect, it's something that we're already our bodies are already consuming and using now we're just supplementing it at such a better level. 
 2:02:07: Yeah, and I think the peptides, the source of all these things, it's like, where is it coming from? 
 2:02:12: Is it coming from who's making like 97% of them are can't. 
 2:02:19: So it's like I think even intuitively we all know we're like. 
 2:02:22: Yeah, I'm trusting because I'm trusting the name. 
 2:02:25: It says here and the doctor told me to do this, but we don't really know. 
 2:02:29: So something that I think it just feels great to be like, OK, this is a machine, it's creating college. 
 2:02:34: I mean hydrogen, you can test it with a hydrogen thermometer. 
 2:02:37: I mean you can like see it. 
 2:02:39: So it's like, so, you know, such there's like I said, it's like there's a, it's just a aligning with something that I feel like we all want to feel more confident about our choices in life and, and we have that tool. 
 2:02:51: Well said. 
 2:02:52: Absolutely. 
 2:02:52: Doctor, where can people find you? 
 2:02:54: Where can they stay connected with you if they have questions about hydrogen therapy, anti-aging, functional health, what's the best way to reach you? 
 2:03:00: Right now, I believe by email, that would probably be the best. 
 2:03:04: So it's. 
 2:03:04: Email? 
 2:03:05: Email, yeah. 
 2:03:06: I mean, I have a website page, but it's just so basic, but D R J E L E N A at D R J E L E N A P E T K O V I C Petkovic, Doctor Yanna Petkovic, yeah. 
 2:03:19: So it's, that's probably the best way people can find. 
 2:03:22: I have an Instagram page and it's pretty popular, but It's all about God. 
 2:03:29: It's all about? 
 2:03:29: It's like a, it's like an evangelistic page, so it's more spiritual, right? 
 2:03:34: So it's Yeah, hey, well, you might want to put that up because I'm all about spiritual development, personal development too. 
 2:03:41: So, you know, a lot of, a lot of my listeners would probably be interested in that. 
 2:03:44: So what's, what's your Instagram handle for people to OK yeah. 
 2:03:53: Yeah I know. 
 2:03:53: Well, thank you so much for your time. 
 2:03:55: Appreciate you coming on. 
 2:03:56: Looking forward to hopefully, you know, diving in a little bit deeper when we have more time in like a 2nd round interview or a 2nd round podcast and kind of just diving in a little bit more to some of the other things that we discussed. 
 2:04:08: Appreciate you, Mick, for coming on as well. 
 2:04:10: I'm super excited for this. 
 2:04:11: This is, this seems like revolutionary. 
 2:04:13: I'm, I'm excited. 
 2:04:14: I'm really blessed and grateful that I get to work on this project with you, Mick. 
 2:04:17: Thank you, thank you. 
 2:04:18: Likewise. 
 2:04:20: Yeah. 
 2:04:20: All right guys, we'll chat later. 
 2:04:22: Thanks.