Aftershock and Awakening | Kingdom Perspective on Current Events

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A single feed can shake a world—and also wake it up. When a public murder ricocheted across the internet, the outrage machine roared, but something else broke through the noise: a surge of raw hunger for God. We trace the shock, the manipulation, and the unexpected fruit, and we talk plainly about what it means to fight spiritual battles with spiritual weapons—prayer, intercession, truth, and a church family that refuses to fracture.

We dig into how shared trauma forges a global zeitgeist, why media can govern emotions like sorcery, and how to build real discernment that tests spirits, checks doctrine, and measures fruit. Along the way, we pull back the curtain on distraction cycles—pharma disclosures, UAP hearings, UN votes—and we ask a simple question: who has your worship? The conversation also wrestles with Israel through a biblical lens, differentiating the modern state, the bloodline of Abraham, and the spiritual people of God grafted in by Christ.

What encourages us most is what we’re seeing on the ground: standing-room-only worship, strangers buying Bibles, and people encountering Jesus outside formal religion. Social change never outruns spiritual transformation; bars close when hearts open. If your love feels thin and your feeds feel loud, come get re-centered: intimacy with God, Scripture in your bones, and a local church on mission together. Listen, share with a friend who needs hope, and help us spread the word—subscribe, leave a review, and tell us where you’re seeing signs of awakening.

Chapters

• 0:00 Framing a Spiritual Battle
• 0:59 Host Welcome and Intent
• 2:35 Global Connectivity and Shared Trauma
• 5:11 The Charlie Kirk Shockwave
• 9:02 Gospel Reach and Unexpected Fruit
• 12:52 Distractions: Pharma, UAPs, UN Votes
• 16:30 Israel: Bloodline, Spirit, and Prophecy
• 21:00 A Church Dividing: Woke, CRT, Identity
• 25:08 Shibboleths, Dog Whistles, and Logic
• 28:15 Revival on the Ground
• 31:05 Love Growing Cold vs Love Growing Bold
• 34:56 Solving Spiritual Problems Spiritually
• 38:14 Systems, Principalities, and Counterfeits
• 42:12 Babylon to Now: Names, Same Powers
• 46:02 God’s Glory vs Rights-Centered Morality
• 50:10 Discernment, Media, and Emotional Control
• 54:04 Testing Spirits, Doctrine, and Substance
• 58:18 Grounding: Intimacy and Local Church
• 1:02:10 Unity’s Power and Mission
• 1:05:36 Q&A, Future Lives, and Community CTA

Transcript

SPEAKER_04: 0:04

You know, we battle not against flesh and blood, and we know that as Christians, you know. How do we battle against the principalities and powers? Well, we battle through intercession, we battle through prayer. Yep. Right? We battle through spiritual means, not physical. And so when you have an entire subculture of people who are essentially godless, who are who are spiritually vacant because they haven't found the truth, they're going to battle in the physical. They're going to show up for the social justice causes that the agendas above them are, you know, educating them about and uh, you know, inspiring them and motivating them under, right? Not us, right? This is a spiritual battle, first and foremost, that reveals itself in the physical. So why wouldn't we apply a spiritual solution?

SPEAKER_01: 0:55

That's right.

SPEAKER_02: 0:59

In a time when faith can feel flat, distracted, and disengaged, the Blood and Oil podcast cuts through the noise to reveal the raw, unfiltered work of the Holy Spirit. Welcome to the Blood and Oil Podcast.

SPEAKER_04: 1:20

Alright, everyone, welcome to Blood and Oil Podcast. I'm happy to be back in the studio. Um, Jesse is at home, but I'm I got my guy with me. So uh we're missing tea today, unfortunately. But man, me and Jess are uh ready to get down to it. Uh we wanted to pop on. The Lord's been, you know, moving in the world. The Holy Spirit has been present. Man, there's been a lot going on. Um, not just, you know, in private ministry, not just in, you know, sort of our local church here, but worldwide, baby. I mean, the Holy Spirit is moving. Um, so we're on today to just kind of riff on some of the things that have been taking taking place lately, uh, some of the more heavy events that have that have taken place. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Uh, we want to get into it a little bit, dive into it from a biblical perspective as we love to do on this podcast. And again, we just want to thank everyone for joining. But anyway, we're gonna we're gonna hit it and get down to it, man. And uh, we really need to dive into some of these these these major uh recent current events that are uh really kind of all over the news, but you know, from a biblical perspective, we need that. You know what I'm saying? The the the body needs that. So we got my man here to uh to dive into it. He's got a list of items, and uh, you know, without further ado, let's get it going.

SPEAKER_01: 2:31

Yeah, I mean God uh be glorified and minister to your people. Um so probably the the the biggest one that's out there um right now is the Charlie Kirk thing. And uh I I think it's probably um everybody in in the world is probably aware of this right now. The the we've got a couple of things that connect the entire globe, and the the advent of the internet has connected everybody, and then the explosion of social media, so not just the access of information with the internet, which is essentially what the internet uh did initially was making information available and and then the connection available. But as the connection has been streamlined, we've now got all of these avenues by which we are interconnected with each other. And now everybody can experience the same thing at the same time. You know, 100 years ago, it used to be that if you wanted to connect with somebody on the other side of the planet, you you, you know, you had to write them a letter, you know, 150 years ago or whatever it was. Um and the telephone made that more accessible, and then television made it more accessible, and and now we're we're looking at the internet and we've got um social media and cell phones in our hands, and I I can veritably call somebody right now in China and invite them into this conversation. We can send them a link, and and now the next thing we know, we're we're all connected. Comes COVID 2020, or the thing, C V called the vid, the the vid, I guess. I don't know. Uh that the that thing happens and uh as I heard Jamie Walden saying he's right, what happens in that moment is now we've got a a shared social trauma.

SPEAKER_07: 4:35

Amen. Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 4:37

Whether it's real or whether it's not, like our you know, we know now, 2020, a lot of it was make-believe, a lot of it was inflated, like it's a real cold or a flu, but but all this other additional um revelations have come out about how it was tinkered with and messed with and all this other stuff. Well, what happened in that moment is that we've got this shared social trauma. It didn't matter if you were in America, New York, or if you were in Africa in the sub-Sahara, everybody's got a mask on. And so this the what what begins to be developed is a shared global zeitgeist, this cultural spirit, this cultural shared consciousness almost. And essentially what COVID does is it pr it creates the acceptance of what pre prior to COVID, it was not okay to betray your family members. After COVID, betrayal even to a family member in the name of health and safety becomes a thing. So I think it's wrong for you to gather at church, honey. So I'm gonna call the health department, and even though we're family members and I love you, in the name of your safety, I'm gonna betray you and turn you into the health department. Okay. This whole social experiment, this whole social connectedness happens, and now we've got these events that are largely um national, but now they're going global. So Spain's dealing with COVID and Africa's dealing with COVID, and nations in Africa, and and it, and, and, and well, now this this Charlie Kirk thing happens, and globally, people who are not in America felt like they got punched in the gut. And now everybody's socially connected, and it's and it there, there's really no neutral ground for the Charlie Kirk thing right now. Like you either approve of the fact that somebody murdered somebody in cold blood because of their opinion, or you disapprove of that, and then that's the dividing line.

SPEAKER_07: 7:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 7:09

And as a Christian, I was praying that day. I got the news over the the my notifications. Charlie Kirk was was shot, so we didn't know that he was dead at that point. And I don't know the guy, I've listened to him multiple times. I I'm I'm not a uh aficionado for Charlie Kirk, so I don't, you know, I can't tell you I've listened to thousands of hours. And and by the way, for those of you who are out there, he has thousands of hours of talks and conversations with people on exactly what he thought and what he believed. So you've got a huge body of data on what the guy actually thought and what the guy actually believed. So I'm not an aficionado, but I know who he is, I know what he stands for. I've I've heard concerning uh heard him concerning what his thoughts and stuff are on Christ. Believe he's a believer. Get this news that he's shot, and I'm I find myself in tears. I I don't know why. We just had 200 people in the Congo or wherever it is in Western Africa, Christians killed, murdered for their faith. That didn't affect me the way that that did. Yet it probably should, but I don't know why it did. Something culturally happened. How did you guys experience it?

SPEAKER_04: 8:39

Yeah, so there was um I I I equate it in a lot of ways to an event like say 9-11, something like that, that it was witnessed, right, uh, across the board. Um, and it creates this unified paradigm. Like you were saying, it generates sort of this new zeitgeist by which people are now viewing the world, through which people are now viewing the world, and it unifies the paradigm. Now, with Charlie Kirk, it it created a lot of division, obviously. However, I think everyone who witnessed the video can agree that seeing a horrific, horrific act like that, a violent thing like that, is very, very difficult for the soul to to witness, right? Um, whether or not you like the guy, you know, it's it's it's it's horrific to see. They would they would generally censor those kinds of things immediately, and yet it's still God out. Now I think that they're I don't know, but I would speculate that there is some sort of agenda behind exposing public to that kind of a thing like 9-11, right? Where it's just this horrific visual that you can't seem to shake, but it's you know is is driving toward this um I don't know, there's a conclusion here, right? We're not there yet, but um what we are seeing is that you know there is division, but there's also this sort of revival happening um in the Christian body, which is incredible. Uh so amen to that. But for us personally, it was very hard to watch. Um like I like you, I I you know wasn't a huge fan. I didn't follow the man, but I knew what he stood for. And you know, I lean, I lean more conservatively. I'm more of a libertarian if I need to if I need to get into that at all. But um, so there was a lot of values that he would expose that, you know, or espouse that I I agree with, right? Especially certain at least preaching the gospel to the masses. That's incredible that he was able to do that, you know, before he was he's gone. But um I'm with you, man. Like there was it was a hard moment. Um, but I think for me, it was more so witnessing the violence than losing the man, if you will. So um, you know, take what you will from that. I I was very, very sad, saddened by it because we lost him. Um, and I think he was doing good in the world. But again, you know, a lot of people think he wasn't. So it's like this very divisive uh experience that we're having right now. Um I do think that like, you know, again, like anytime the gospel is preached to the masses and is preached on live stream, um, you know, amen to that. Praise God. That's that's what we're looking for here. So, you know, he was able to get that out for sure.

SPEAKER_01: 11:15

Yeah, I and I I think the the dynamic of what we saw was the largest presentation of the gospel in the history of the church to as many people as possible. And if you're paying attention, you know that people responded to that and got saved. You know, like Pastor Steve was talking, was going over some of the ex posts of people's responses. So, you know, whatever your position on on Kurt, these people's responses were I'm going back to church, I'm buying a Bible, I'm saying yes to Jesus, I'm why why is it that I'm with these Christians and I feel so much love? Why is it that that uh I did not know that such music could be so beautiful, and I didn't know that worship would make me cry. And these are not believers.

SPEAKER_07: 12:13

Amen.

SPEAKER_01: 12:13

So so all of this fruit is coming forth from it. You you literally have Matthew 24, 14, this gospel will be preached on all the earth, and then the end will come because of the internet, because of the interconnectedness, because of the shock of the zeitgeist moment to the culture of the death of this man, it has set the stage for a number of end time things that the that those who are Bible readers are looking at and paying attention to. In addition, you've got the whole other layer of of the manipulation that's happening along with it. Because absolutely, at the same time that this whole Charlie Kirk thing happens, a huge exposure of big pharma happened right in the same moment. So nobody's paying attention to that. You have another UAP hearing that just dropped at the same like the day before. Nobody's paying attention to that. You've got um, let's see what else happened in that moment. Oh um, the failed rapture thing last week. You've got the the the huge statement at the UN where a hundred and forty, I think the numbers are 142 votes to try to force a two-state solution on Israel, votes against the forcing of the solution. 12 abstentions. So a landslide of people, of nations, global population at the the UN, like not all nations are a member of the U or members of the UN, but most of the planet is. They're represented at the UN. This opinion of world leaders and systems that is now against Israel, and Zechariah is clear that the division of the land is a huge indication of the old times, and God setting it up so that he can judge the nations that are against him and his land. And and that's not saying against geopolitical Israel. So we're we're not we're not talking about Israel, the governmental state. We're talking about Israel's spiritual people. We're we're talking uh about the genetic, the bloodline, you know, these things, the spiritual things, not not the the governmental entity Israel. So we're we're not we're not talking about Zionism, what would be called Zionism. That's what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_04: 15:04

Like the Hebrews, Hebraic people, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 15:07

The the the the spiritual promises to Abraham that go along to the seed of Abraham, and and and even those who are not even necessarily the seed of Abraham, but the spiritual um heirs of Abraham that have been grafted into the tree, you know what Romans says that that the tree, uh the olive tree of Israel, the the Gentiles have been grafted into that thing, and not everybody who's who's genetic Israel is spiritual Israel. And so so all of these all of these thoughts are in that. So when when we're talking about Israel, we're not we're not talking about the governmental entity of Israel or or the the Zionist state, if we're using catchphrases in lingo, okay. So God's setting this whole thing up and and nobody's paying attention. No, nobody's got their eyes open, no, nobody's understanding the lateness of the hour and all the streams that are all coalescing and all of these things that are happening. And we are living in some very exciting times. If you're viewing the end times right, Mara Marula said it, the end times are not happening to the Christian, the Christian is happening to the end times. We we are we are not the tail, we're the head. We even if in the world's view we're being persecuted, we're being we are being um, we are losing. Like people would see the Charlie Kirk thing and say he lost. Hey, I got news for you. He is not regretting one minute of his life right now. Sucks, yes. Hard for the Kirks, the the wife and the kids, absolutely, 100%. Heartbroken on a thousand levels, yeah, tragic. Let me tell you something. He's looking at Jesus face to face.

SPEAKER_04: 17:04

Yeah, he's with our king.

SPEAKER_01: 17:05

Yeah. So he's not regretting anything. He's got zero regrets right now. And for anyone who's listening, if you haven't done the research and taken the time to listen to him and a large portion of what he said, to take soundbite snippets of things that he said and to spin that into a way that creates a narrative that is different than what he actually represents, you are guilty of a false reasoning called the straw man fallacy. You are setting up something that he actually doesn't believe and attacking what he doesn't believe. If you want a strong, solid, reasoned argument, you must do what's called a steel man. That means to set up what the person actually believes and fairly representing them, and the strongest position that they have of what they believe.

SPEAKER_05: 18:09

True.

SPEAKER_01: 18:10

And then you attack that.

SPEAKER_05: 18:11

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 18:12

That's good solid logic and reasoning. So all the he's a racist, you have not done your research in the statements that he made with those who are accusing him in that moment, and you haven't listened to the larger body of data of what he actually believes concerning the matter, so that you can couch a context of what he's saying. Further, let me give you a really good piece of information. You've got a lot of folks who are not white, who are coming to his defense, who are there when he said the things, who don't feel like that.

SPEAKER_04: 18:49

Yeah, right. That says a lot.

SPEAKER_01: 18:52

That says a lot. That should let you know. Like, look, maybe maybe you review those things, you come to the same conclusion. Okay, you you're allowed that. But if you haven't done the work to actually review those things, here's what's happening you're being manipulated.

SPEAKER_04: 19:08

Absolutely, you are. Yep. Come on.

SPEAKER_01: 19:11

Being manipulated. So, what what's happening? Right now, Pastor Steve had had mentioned it a couple years ago. We've got a civil war brewing in the church. And it is there, there have already been a number of dividing lines in the last number of years. And one of them has been the gifts of the spirit, whether or not you're a cessationist or you're a continuationist. There's been the um non-essential matters of doctrine that people are dividing over, and you know, errors on both sides, some of it legitimate, um, a lot of division and disunity. And then there's been some legitimate or some real legitimate things like like sexual abuse and some other things that have happened in the church that need to be exposed that absolutely are not okay. Um, and so all of all of these things have been coming. But in particular, there's been brewing over the the LGBT cute conversation, accepting a person or not accepting a person based on how they feel about themselves. And that ideology is the woke ideology, it's based on uh um some actually stuff that comes from socialism and Marxism. Presently nowadays it's called critical race theory or critical theory. And it is the the the division of people according to um uh certain tagline uh uh identifications. So if you if you are gay, if you are not white, if you are female, if you are poor, you now mark four different intersections of taglines that make you a more oppressed class than somebody who may be straight white male correction.

SPEAKER_04: 21:04

Right. It's identity politics.

SPEAKER_01: 21:07

100% exactly.

SPEAKER_04: 21:08

It's basing it's basing someone's, you know, uh the privileges that they should receive from the government, from society on their persona, which is just so nebulous. I mean, could we choose a more you know solid piece of the psyche to to base our entire life on other than the persona? I mean, it's constantly changing, right? So yeah, keep going.

SPEAKER_01: 21:29

Yeah, 100%. So this is bred into right now the the the tension language is love. If if you love me, you'll accept me for what I am, and that's false on its face, actually. That I I love you, therefore, what I will do is is I I will uh I'm sorry, let me rephrase that. You love me, therefore you will affirm me as I am. I can accept you and not affirm you. That that dichotomy, that that um somebody may call it splitting hairs, whatever. I can accept you, love you, we're together, friends, shake hands, get along with each other, and not affirm what you're doing or where you're at. That's that's natural. We we do that. That that is that is not only natural, it's right. Because not everybody's right. There is an objective thing called truth that has brought its way into the church where now you've got Christians who are using Charlie Kirk as what we would call a shibboleth. Okay, the term shibboleth is is a biblical term, and it was a a term that referred to the way people pronounced a term in the old testament that if you pronounced the word with a uh a certain pronunciation or a certain accent, they knew you weren't from their side of the tracks.

SPEAKER_04: 23:05

It's an indicator.

SPEAKER_01: 23:06

Yep, 100%. So so if I say park the car in Harvard Yard and give the guard a quarter, you know I'm from New England. I'm from Boston. But if I say park the car in Harvard Yard and give the guard a quarter, I'm not from New England. That's a Shiboleth.

SPEAKER_05: 23:24

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01: 23:25

That's that's a that is an indicator of where I'm from. Well, the Shibboleth became an indicator of where they were from, and they knew those guys aren't from our side. And so the Shibboleth became well, our our common phrase is what we would call a dog whistle in politics, where I use a term and that indicates to those who are listening, this is the side I'm on, this is the Charlie Kirk has become a Shibboleth. If you are for Charlie Kirk, then you're on the good guy's side, and if you're against Charlie Kirk, then you're on the bad guy's side, or or vice versa, if you're for him, you're on the bad guy's side, depending on the side that you're on. And it's hard because, in one sense, if you've actually done your homework, you know the the dude was just a standard conservative guy. Believed the Bible and was a Christian. That's all he was. That's all the guy was. And for those of us who are standard conservative people, and by the way, we don't mean Republican, we mean conservative as far as values go, social values go. Now we're all lumped in on the same side. And what's the truth? Okay, here's here's the truth. He was a Christian, he was a conservative, and he's in heaven. He was not a racist, he was not a bigot, he did not hate homophobes. Okay, so for for anyone or did not hate homosexuals, so for anyone listening, that's that's where we are, that's where this podcast is. Okay, that's where we come from. I would suggest if you've got concerns with that, hit us up offline. We we can do an apologetic session, perhaps, on on educating folks on where it's actually at. There's a lot online that that you can look at that defends that. All right. This is now producing a a civil war inside of the church. And you've got Christians on one side who are like, if your pastor didn't say anything about Charlie Kirk, you need to leave your church. And you've got Christians on the other side that are like, if you're pro-Charlie Kirk, you're a homophobe. And this polarization is happening, and it's on purpose because the devil knows, Genesis chapter 11, if they're unified, nothing will be impossible for them. And so he's intentionally seeking to split, and that's what's being developed. Okay, what else were we seeing? Revival. What were your thoughts on last night?

SPEAKER_04: 25:56

Wow, beautiful spirit, spirit was there. Um I think I was I was particularly blown away at this particular event we had at our church uh in in Santa Rosa um with the number of people that were there.

SPEAKER_01: 26:11

And dude, 350-ish at least. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 26:15

And I mean, standing room only, no parking for blocks around the whole place.

SPEAKER_01: 26:19

Um, I think several different nationalities to Sam.

SPEAKER_04: 26:23

Come on.

SPEAKER_01: 26:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 26:24

And backgrounds too. Like, you know, uh, I think that when I looked out at the people watching, uh, which I did a lot of, you know, praying in the spirit, you know, God, what are you doing tonight? Over 50% of the people there do not even attend the church they were visiting. Like, unbelievable. So cool how many, you know, people of different walks of life it drew in.

SPEAKER_01: 26:45

Yeah. Yeah. And one of the reasons why it's it's gained the traction that it has. Number well, number one, you know, if if you have a need and God's God is supernatural and he's doing things, it's like, dude, I'm I'm gonna show up. But the second is there's a very real hunger that is come about the Lord from this Charlie Kirk thing.

SPEAKER_05: 27:05

That's right.

SPEAKER_01: 27:06

That's right. Whatever your math is, Bible sales are up, church attendance is up.

SPEAKER_05: 27:12

Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 27:13

Christians across the globe, not just America, are responding and and they're like, Why am I coming alive in this moment? What what's happening in this moment? And it's very interesting to me that you have a stronger hate being developed and a stronger love being revealed. That's the dichotomy.

SPEAKER_07: 27:38

Come on, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 27:40

I have family members who have disassociated themselves from my children because my children were like, I think it's wrong for a person to die ever for their opinion. And another family member is like, well, I wouldn't have killed the guy, but I wouldn't have stopped him being killed either.

SPEAKER_06: 28:04

Yep. Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 28:06

Wait, what? So if you had a button and you could hit it to stop him from being assassinated, would you do it? Because your answer to that question reveals whether or not you approve of the man being assassinated or not. If if you if you could press a button and stop him from being assassinated and you don't, that means you approve.

SPEAKER_04: 28:37

Yeah. There's a spiritual thirst that's being quenched right now in a lot of ways, you know. I think that and awakened. Exactly. Yeah. You know, for us, I I'm not surprised that the truth that we know in Christ Jesus is being revealed as such to the masses. It makes sense to me, of course. But anyone who has been hurt by the church or who has dabbled in Christianity and didn't like it because of the church or because of the staleness of it or because of the religiosity of it, they've backed off from it. But what we see in Charlie Kirk is we see a man who's preaching the gospel in a really clean way, who is divorced from the church. There's no religion there at all. It's just relationship. So what he's done is he's lifted the veil off of the spirit of religion and seen and shown the masses. Actually, it's about relationship with our Lord. It's not about needing to go to a place. We go to a place because we want a fellowship, and we go to the place because it's called, we're we're called to do so. But we don't we don't find we don't need to find God in a church. The church is there for us to experience it with other other fellows. But what he showed us is that he wasn't at a pulpit. He wasn't even reading from the Bible. He was talking about his own personal relationship with Christ. And this is something that people who are lost, people who are dabbling in other forms of spirituality that are nebulous at best, that are not fulfilling them, that are not actually. Quenching that spiritual thirst that everyone has as a human being, we all have a spiritual, we have a we have a thirst to discover and explore our own spiritual nature. It's not being quenched by anything except for the truth. And when this man preaches the truth in Jesus Christ, not from a pulpit, and actually divorces it from this like this really stale religious approach that not any not a lot of people are really happy with if you're not, you know, a Christian. Man, it makes it accessible for people in a new way. And we're really seeing that.

SPEAKER_01: 30:33

Yeah. Yeah. And I think the the tragicness of the moment, like just a lot of people who've got standard sensibility are are like, what what? And then it really uncovered, it really uncovered the face of evil. This this um this culture that that you may not be an assassin, but you're okay with assassination.

SPEAKER_06: 31:02

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 31:04

That's insane.

SPEAKER_04: 31:05

Yeah. It revealed the truth on people's hearts. Yeah, it revealed the heart posture. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 31:11

There was a conversation I was um listening to, uh, I think it was on Bill Maher. Okay, and he's like, you know, typical hardcore leftist. He's he's actually um he's actually come he he he's I I can give him kudos actually for having a thinking brain because he's he's become more moderate. He's he is he has gathered some sensibility to himself. Like he uncovered the fact that you know everybody's everybody's up in arms about the Palestinian and and Israel thing, but nobody cares about the Christians that are being murdered by the thousands right in Africa.

SPEAKER_04: 31:50

It's hypocrisy for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 31:52

100%. And you know, us who are Christian, we've known this for 20 years. We we've known about the persecution. Um, and so the selective outrage is is present. Um, but there was somebody on his show, and I think it was uh Ben Affleck was one of them, and some other guys, and this guy's not a conservative, and he's talking about the problems with Islam and how even if you're not a jihadist, so even if you're not what we would consider radicalized, meaning you're you are willing to take a grenade and go walk into a place and kill yourself because of your ideology and your religious beliefs, even if you're not that radicalized, if you agree with that ideology and you're okay with people who do that, you're still part of the problem. And the the data was like five percent of those who identify as Islam. I don't know what it was, I'm grabbing a number out of midair, it wasn't a lot, are actually radical radicalized. So people who are you know storing weapons and listening to um propaganda and actively plotting bad things, okay? So actually like active members in radicalization. But if you have 50% of the Muslim population that agrees with Sharia law that says that if you're a homosexual, that you die, your level of radicalization is still to the extent that it's problematic for a normal society.

SPEAKER_03: 33:26

Sure. Yep. Okay, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 33:30

That same kind of math applies to if if you had a button to press to stop Charlie Kirk's assassination and you don't, you are still part of those who are the problem for killing him. And that dichotomy is now public, and that's what gives rise to the because lawlessness increases, the love of many will grow cold.

SPEAKER_03: 33:58

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 33:59

And that's a cold love. Like whether you agree with the dude or not, if you wouldn't stop him from being assassinated, you've got a cold heart.

SPEAKER_07: 34:07

Amen.

unknown: 34:08

Amen.

SPEAKER_07: 34:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 34:10

Okay. So that that's that's the elephant in the room, the Charlie Kirk thing, right? Like we we we know where we stand, we believe he's a Christian, we believe that that he's in heaven. And anyone with an open mind, if you actually go and and don't just take the snippets of the information that's out there and study the context of what he said in the larger body of not just the moment when he said it, but also what he actually believed, where he's got thousands of hours on record of what he believed, you would see that those who are spinning these narratives and saying he's you know racist to bigot and all this other kind of stuff, it's not who the guy was at all. So if if if you're actually interested in truth, you can go and you can look it up and you can check it out. Um set that one aside. Okay, what's now happening in the culture? And I think what we're seeing is um Jesus said that the kingdom of God is like a dragnet. And when he says dragnet, he think think fishing trawler with you know two boats and a huge net in the middle that catches all kinds of different fish and it brings the fish up into the boat. Well, now the fish need to be separated. When there's good fish and there's bad fish, and that's what we're seeing right now. We're seeing a a whole big move of people into the kingdom. And and for those of you who are listening, myself included, we don't know who the good fish are and who the bad fish are. So, so be patient and be gracious. But we're seeing a huge influx of people and interest into things. I got a call um like the day after Charlie Kirk from somebody who's in a different state. And he was like, Man, I I need to I need to process with you. I was like, absolutely, let's talk. And and he said, I've got I've got people um who are calling me wanting to know. I got kids, my my son's youth group friends are coming and asking, or not youth group, my son's school friends who know that we're Christian are coming and asking us, what do we do with this? Why do I feel this way? And so very similar to the revivals in the the turn of the century in the 1900s, like the um the Welsh revival and with uh Evan Roberts and those in uh in Europe, who do we know that's a Christian? We need to find the Christian and talk to them about God, where conviction is hitting them in the field. Um, a such a a move of the spirit is hitting that people are are I don't know what to do with this conviction. I need to find the Christian who I know has an answer for me. That's coming, that's happening. Okay. In that zone, there's gonna be good, there's gonna be bad. Be gracious, be kind, let them come, find a place for them, let them sit next to you. Doesn't matter what they look like, doesn't matter who they are, let them be exposed to Jesus, and then we'll see in in as they grow whether or not it's good fish or bad fish. Part of part of the part of the way that it works. Different kinds of soil, good soil, bad soil. Jesus' a parable about the wheat and the tares. Both grow up in the kingdom. Don't do anything to the tares, or you're gonna ruin the wheat. Let them grow together. What's being developed? And I think I think what's what's coming is according to all the brothers and sisters who've seen things, you've you've got um David Wilkerson, you've got others from the 80s and 90s, and even others before that who've seen a false superchurch is is is coming. Revelation chapter 13. You've got a beast that comes from the earth who's got two horns like a lamb. There is only one lamb in the book of Revelation. Horns represent power, so something with power that looks like Christ.

SPEAKER_04: 38:27

The counterfeit Christ.

SPEAKER_01: 38:28

100%. And led by the false prophet, part of the beast system, all that stuff. You know, read read Revelation chapter 13, the image, AI ties into that, all these things are are there. I remember when COVID happened, and I don't know if I shared this before, but I'm gonna share it anyway. I was uh there was a a pastor in Canada, and he refused to shut down his church, and they arrested him. Went to jail because he refused to shut down his church. That's not okay. Not in a free-thinking democratic western country. Like that's not that's not acceptable. So they throw him in jail, and I don't remember how long he was in jail, a couple months, something like that. And he got out of jail, and I remember I was watching his live stream, and he said this coming to you from an undisclosed location. And I remember the moment, and I went, oh my goodness, that is hidden church language, that is persecuted church language. That is that is underground church phraseology, and this was Canada, this is the West, and I'm going, oh my goodness. For those of you who are not who don't know, several people in Europe within the last month have gone to jail because of social media posts. Gone to jail. Police have come to their door and took them to jail because of social media posts. Opinion. So this is this is 2020, Canada. So I'm paying attention to this guy, and there was uh a video where 400 protesters showed up to his church, and these were protesters who didn't want his church to be shut down because they were chain linking his church shut because they told him to shut down, and and he he wasn't gonna shut down. 400 people, now watch this. They're on the same side as as I would have been. Values-wise, don't shut the church down. Yes, we agree. Free nation, free, free ability to gather. Yes, we agree. No restriction on the exercise of religion. Yes, we agree. All the values probably probably if we were to sit down and check mark a bunch of social and economic stuff on a voting block, we'd probably vote the same. So these 400 people are there, they're putting the chain link fence up, and one of the dudes starts kicking the chain link fence as the Royal Canadian Mounted Police is putting up the fence, and he starts getting agitated. Now, remember, same side. Agree, shouldn't be a fence there. He starts kicking the fence, he starts yanking at it, and the the cops are these cops are outnumbered. There's probably 50 police, 400 people. Like, I wouldn't have liked to have been the cops. People start getting agitated, and you can feel this this spirit and this sense of self-righteousness and this emotional thing. Uh, like this guy's hyping up, he's he's doing this, and and it's beginning to spread. And this woman comes up to him and she goes, Stop. And he goes, No, no, no, no. We it's wrong. Remember, we agree, it is wrong. No, we need to be in that church. The government shouldn't do this. They're taking away our rights. Sound familiar? She says to him, she goes, I agree with you. No, we need to get in that church. And he goes, she goes, is that your church? And he goes, No. She's that's my church. I am not here to solve a spiritual problem with a natural solution.

unknown: 42:28

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 42:29

I'm here to pray. That's right. Let the police officer do his job. And I remembered in that moment being aware of this. There's going to come a day when those who seem like they're on the same side as us vote the same and not about politics. So, for the record, anyone who knows me knows I hate politics. I can't stand politics. I'm not registered with in America. We've got two primary parties. I'm not registered with either of them. There's going to come a day where the very people who stand on the same side of us as us are going to betray us. And this this is the be this is the start of that context. Where we're going to see a lot of people come, and some of them will be ours, and some of them will not be ours. And then something's going to happen, an event's going to happen, in which a separation's going to need to occur. And the Bible puts it this way There will be those who believe they're doing the true God a favor will deliver you over. That requires people who name the name of Jesus and believe they're doing the right thing for the sake of Christ to betray the true church. So that's on the rise. What exactly that's gonna look like, not sure. Don't know what that's gonna look like. But we'll be getting it from both sides. Because here's here's the dynamic. Jesus said, My kingdom is not of this planet, my kingdom is not of this earth. We we don't we like need to fight for the oppressed, sure. Why? Well, it's wrong that they're oppressed. Agreed, why? Well, oppressors shouldn't oppress the oppressed. Again, agreed. Why? Well, because Jesus said watch out for the poor. Agreed, why? Why? The biblical answer? For the glory of God. So if you are on a rights side, and the purpose of those rights is not for the glory of God, you're on the wrong side. Even if it's the right right.

SPEAKER_04: 45:02

Yeah, it it it's it to me, it's showing and revealing. You know, we battle not against flesh and blood, and we know that as Christians, you know. How do we battle against the principalities and powers? Well, we battle through intercession, we battle through prayer, yep, right? We battle through spiritual means, not physical. And so when you have an entire subculture of people who are essentially godless, who are who are spiritually vacant because they haven't found the truth, they're going to battle in the physical. They're going to show up for the social justice causes that the agendas above them are, you know, educating them about and uh, you know, inspiring them and motivating them under, right? Not us, right? This is a spiritual battle first and foremost that reveals itself in the physical. So why wouldn't we apply a spiritual solution?

SPEAKER_01: 45:57

That's right. Absolutely right, 100%. We we do not solve spiritual problems with natural solutions. There may be a natural effect to the spiritual solution, like people get saved and bars shut down, but you don't shut down bars to get people saved. You get people saved and then the bars shut down.

SPEAKER_04: 46:18

Exactly. Yeah, it's always a reflection of the spiritual, what happens in the physical. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 46:23

So you you don't institute a homeless program to minister to homeless people, you get them saved.

SPEAKER_05: 46:31

That's right.

SPEAKER_01: 46:32

And then the the problem of the soul or whatever's wrong in society as the entire society shifts to a saved society, shifts to, well, now we don't have a homeless problem because everybody's Christians and they're taking each other in. We we interviewed Ryan uh two weeks ago, and he said, Look, you you've got an entire village that's saved, and you're talking a thousand people. We said 150 families or something like that, eight people per family, so you don't do the math. And what happens? The whole village gets saved, and the brothel shuts down. You don't go in and do a social a social ministry for the brothel, like that's you you get them saved, and then the stuff fixes itself. So if you solve the social problem, but you don't solve the spiritual problem, you haven't fixed the spirit. And that social problem will just develop itself later. Like, for instance, people who are absolutely dependent on the social structure, on the social system.

SPEAKER_06: 47:37

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 47:38

Welfare dependence. Welfare is not meant to be uh uh like in its in its theory and idea, it's not meant to be a permanent solution. It's supposed to be a temporary solution for folks who need help and then get them to the place where where they are now self-sufficient.

SPEAKER_04: 47:59

Yep, get them back on their feet.

SPEAKER_01: 48:01

Right. But what's happened is the welfare system has become the welfare state, and it's developed an entire culture of people who I'm I'm from the I'm from the from the the hood, man. I'm you know, I grew up poor. That's right. Like, you know, was on welfare most of my life. So I get it. Uh like I'm I'm I'm not criticizing from the outside. I I'm criticizing from the inside. And I got I got friends who their idea of a future was let me get as as many kids as I can, not get married, and capitalize on the social programs because the state is now giving me more money because I got more kids.

SPEAKER_04: 48:56

Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 48:57

That is what what they don't realize is that that is the state making you dependent so that you need the state.

SPEAKER_04: 49:05

Yeah, that's right. That's right. Right. Let's be dependent on the Lord.

SPEAKER_01: 49:09

Come on, come on, for sure.

SPEAKER_04: 49:11

So then yeah, then the inverse of that too, I just want to mention really quickly, too, it's just making me think, you know, I'm sort of meditating on, you know, the idea of the social justice movement itself. It is it is driven by a principality that the people who are participating in it have no idea that that principality is in power now. And a lot of those people I would have say maybe associate with the new age if you were to if they were to talk about their spirituality, but the new age is completely controlled by one or two really big principalities that we can go into in other episodes. But this is a it's it's a real problem because it on the on the front of it, right? It's a physical, sort of desperate aching in the streets, need to make change in the physical, I need to stand up for my rights, I need to stand up for the rights of brown people, whatever it might be. But there is a spiritual component to it, and it is not pretty, you know. And uh and it's and it's not it's not obvious either, you know. I follow Jesus, that's obvious. This is not obvious what's happening on the other side, unfortunately, and it's an ugly, ugly principality that's behind all of it.

SPEAKER_01: 50:13

Yeah, I I think uh interesting data point is that um all of the governmental systems that we've seen except for a theocracy, okay? So any any and and even even all the religious systems that are theocracies, okay. So essentially uh Sharia law and Islam, is Islam is is not just a religion, it's a state. For those of you who who know Islam, Islam brings with it sharia law, which is a a state system. And so there's there's a a jurisprudence and a governance that's brought along with it in their their job. You have the house of peace and the house of war. And the house of peace is any geopolitical entity or region or area in which Sharia law and Islam are the are the dominant forces, and that's the house of peace. The house of war, which is where jihad and all these other things are rooted, is any place that is not the house of peace. So any place that is not governed by Sharia law or where Islam is not the dominant force, and by the way, Sharia law and Islam being the dominant force are one and the same. You cannot divorce those two as far as Islam is concerned, at least true orthodox Islam. Um that's the house of war, and their job is to take over the society.

SPEAKER_06: 51:33

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 51:34

Okay, that is a theocracy, but it's not a biblical theocracy. We've only seen one biblical theocracy, and it's been the um the David and Solomonic kingdoms of Israel before Israel is split and before Israel gets conquered. The ideal of a theocracy, where actually that I'm sorry, that that's not a theocracy, that was a kingdom, so that was a monarchy, but it was based on a theocracy. The only real theocracy that we've ever seen that's biblical is the one that God gave Moses. That's a theocratic kingdom where God is king. Okay. All other systems, every single last one has come from the occult. All of them. You look at Hammurabi, the the codes of Hammurabi, these these uh ethic codes and stuff that come out of uh Ugarit and stuff in the East, in the Middle East and the Levant, all of them are given to these people by divine revelation. They encountered a spirit.

SPEAKER_07: 52:42

Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 52:43

Even Islam is based on he encountered what he thought was a demon at first, that is his wife ended up convincing him was uh the angel um gibreals, what calls it's Gabriel. And he goes back, and and even that system is given by a spirit. Democracy, as it as what we hold it now, was originally thought up with the Greeks and the Romans, and the senators and the those who were in power were priests to Saturn and these other entities, you know, or you know, prior, I don't know who Saturn, Saturn, I think, is the the Roman one, but prior to his uh who he is in the Greek pantheon. But Chronos, Zeus, yeah. Yeah, all these the these deities, yeah, all of them are occultic. Every last one of them is absolutely a cult. Yeah, and so whenever you have these systems, even um, even Marxism, if if I remember my history right, he was connected to Bolovatsky.

SPEAKER_04: 53:46

Yeah, absolutely. If I'm really connected to Ishtar and Inanna, yeah, the yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 53:53

And so all of these governance systems, what what are they? They are the first, they are the response of in what I believe be careful how I release this the demonic realms observance of what they think was God's way of ruling.

SPEAKER_04: 54:17

Yeah, right, a counterfeit.

SPEAKER_01: 54:19

Yep. And so they see the first initial laws from God, the word from God, and they begin to mock those things. And when you look at the, like, for instance, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, that's in these old systems. Well, who was the first one to say it? God was. And so these demonic systems have that that thing in them, and it's these counterfeit attempts at what's what's seen in the divine throne room of God, in the court of God, in the the heavenly council, the divine council.

SPEAKER_04: 54:56

Yeah, you have these principalities, ancient ones, that are hungry for worship, hungry for attention, hungry for uh a nation to to pray to them, to sacrifice to them, right? And they change names, they change forms, but the essence does not change. It has always been and will always be until the day that they're thrown into the lake of fire, the same essence, just with different faces, different names. I mean, you could you could rattle off a list of 60 names for the Queen of Heaven, one principality, right, throughout time. And so um I think that you know, this perversion and this counterfeiting of God's law in order to create a nation, in order to receive worship, in order to gain power, because they are powerful from they become powerful from that worship, right? Um, and then you have right the the the laws and the the well, let's let's say with Babylon, right? We had you know the the worship of uh of Ishtar and we had the worship of Samiram Samiramis and and and uh Nimrod, right? That that you know became Baal and all of these other gods in the Bible. But there's still it's still the same principle, it's still the same power behind it all. And we have Babylon being the the essentially the the the precursor to the entirety of this the societal structure that we still live under. Correct and so and so of course powers that had influence back then still do, unfortunately. And if we're not careful, we're giving our power and our worship to them. That's why the King of Kings is the way to go, right?

SPEAKER_01: 56:29

Yeah, yep, yeah, completely agree. And so to your point, all of this this system societal rights stuff that's being out there and being manipulated and being promoted, all of that finds its source. If it's not rooted in the glory of God, for the purpose and glory of God, it it's going to find its root in for the purpose and glory of man, which is at its heart, satanic. Where Jesus tells Peter, Peter gets done with his great confession to Christ, Matthew 16, you are the Christ, the Son of the Living God. Jesus says, Flesh and blood is not revealed this to you, but my father who is in heaven. Then he says, I gotta go to Jerusalem, I gotta die. And Peter, who just had this great revelation, defaults right back into his flesh. He goes, By no means, Lord, may it never happen to you. And Jesus looks at Peter and goes, The Lord rebuke you, Satan. You have not put your heart on the things of God, but on the things of, listen to his words, man. So there is a direct correlation between the satanic kingdom and the kingdom of the humans. What do we see in the satanic Bible? Not don't worship God, not even worship Satan, do as thou would do what you want.

SPEAKER_04: 57:45

Deification of self, virtue signaling, it's all in there. That's right, it's all in there.

SPEAKER_01: 57:51

So this all of this rights-centered talk that has you at the center of it is that exact same lie being perpetuated with a a topping of self-preservation. And the biblical model is whatever we do to our fellow brothers and sisters, we do because of the honor that they have as a reflection of the creation of God. That that's why we honor those things, because there is a reflection of God's creative process that is involved in all of God's creation, where there is an inherent inherent and internal honor that is due to these things because God created it.

SPEAKER_07: 58:33

Yep. Come on.

SPEAKER_01: 58:36

That's the reason why we do what we do. That's the reason why it's right or it's wrong. Definition starts in God, not in man.

SPEAKER_05: 58:46

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 58:47

And we reverse extrapolate these things starting from here, instead of starting from him. We were we were having this conversation about the divine feminine. That that whole idea starts with I I've got something that I have on the face of the planet, and I need to find it in God. Instead of, no, no, no, let me let me start with my definition from him. He he is the source of light, not the one through whom we view by light.

SPEAKER_06: 59:10

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 59:11

Meaning, uh last night I was sharing with a gentleman, was praying with him, and and the Lord gave me a prophetic word for him, and it was this. I said, God, allow this moment with you to be the source of light by which he views everything else. Not that he has the event and he brings it to the light, and now he's gonna look at the event with you in a different light. Okay, how how does it come in this light? What about this? I said, No, no, no. This event itself becomes the light by which I view everything else. And it rocked his world because he was new age.

SPEAKER_06: 59:52

Right, wow.

SPEAKER_01: 59:53

And he right, and so so he's he shook and he's like, he He he looks back at me. I said, That was very meaningful for you. He goes, Yeah. And I said, Let this moment be. So what do we do? God is the light, not the thing that we bring into the light and judge by some other standard. He's the light. Everything is judged in light of him who is the light. Judge these things. Why why do you care for the poor? Because you want to feel good about yourself? That's a sin. Why do you care for the poor? Because they're poor? That's also sin. Why do you care for the poor? Because God cares about the poor.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:36

Come on.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:37

That's why.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:38

Yes. If you don't stand with the Holy Spirit, you'll fall for anything.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:43

So come on now.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:45

Come on now. We have a question too. You want to you want to rock it?

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:47

Yeah, for sure. Let's go.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:48

Let me flash it up there.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:49

How do you differentiate supporting biblical Israel versus the current government of Israel to people who ask? Um, biblical Israel are going to be those of the faith of Abraham. And and in specific, biblical Israel is those of the faith of Abraham who are of the lineage of the bloodline of Israel. Um, there does seem to be a biblical Israel that is of the bloodline of Abraham, but not yet of the revelation of Christ, which we see in Romans. And those are the ones who are completely converted at the end, where there's a partial hardening of the a partial hardening of the Gentiles until the full number of the Gentiles come in, and then a repentance that happens in true Israel. So the the border in the government of Israel is not real biblical Israel. So you you've got people who are Israeli, born in Israel, belong to Israel, who are not Jewish, nor uh converted to Judaism, nor any of those. They just happen to be born inside of those borders. That's just a an Israeli person who's has nothing to do with who Israel was in the time of David or the promises that were made to the fathers or those who come from those bloodlines.

SPEAKER_07: 1:02:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:27

You got Ashkenazi Jews who are coming from the Caucasus region, you've got Sephardic Jews who are coming from North Africa, you've got Mizrahi, I think that's how you pronounce it, coming from Saudi Arabia, right? So these are these are different just different groups that identify as Jews who live in Israel as well. And so, I mean, you have also you also have people who are born in Israel, like you were saying, but they come from these same backgrounds. It's not that they, you know, essentially their entire lineage is from that area. I mean, it's it's right, it's almost kind of rare that that's that's the experience. Is that right? Is that correct? Would you say?

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:01

Yeah, yeah, I would say, I would say with the dispersion of the Jews, you have the the first diaspora, which is 722 BC, where the Assyrians come down and they take half of the population from northern the northern kingdom and they deport them, and you begin to have this this widespread of the Jewish bloodline that that goes out. Now, God cares about bloodlines. I don't know what to tell you. Okay, God cares about bloodlines, primarily because of his promise to the seed in Genesis chapter three. God, God has a seed in which he's going to bring forth Christ. And so up through the time of Jesus, God has a a people, a a genetic line that he's preserved that will bring forth Jesus. And so that matters to him. It also matters to him that he's he's a God of his word, and he says that he brings faithfulness upon third and fourth generation, and and even brings wrath upon those who hate him, even unto these generations. And so the this idea that God cares about your bloodline is is there, it's biblical. Geographic location is much less important than spiritual allegiance, and and the purity of the bloodline, too. Right, 100%. And and how bloodline falls in that is you know, there are lots of different views and perspectives as far as that goes, but that God cares about the the actual the the very descendants of Abraham, he does. You've got uh Hebrews that says that Levi paid tithes to Melchizedek from the loins of Abraham. So Levi is you know four or five generations after Abraham, as you know, the um Aaron. Yeah, the Irotic priesthood that comes from um uh that comes from uh let me check my data real quick. The Irotic priesthood that comes from um the time of Moses. Uh no, I'm sorry, let me rephrase that. Uh Levi pays, he's three generations after Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and then Levi is one of Jacob's sons. There we go. So correct myself, real time. Praise Jesus. Amen. Um, so four generations later, Levi is considered as having paid tithes to Melchizedek, even though Levi gets the Iranic priesthood as part as part of the Iranic priesthood, receives tithes through the the Mosaic system. There we go. That's now it's all connected. So in that bloodline, there's there's real substantial things happening according to the scripture that God considers as legitimate. So God cares about the bloodline, God cares about that. We we have seen God give promises to people that that you don't know if that's a promise that he made to a great grandma three you know generations earlier, and and you are the result of him making good on something that he told a grandma on somebody from your people, or I, you know, who knows?

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:12

Right. And and so much of this too, you know, Jesus being born into the line of David, very important, obviously. So much of this too is in place because of what happened in Genesis six and the spiritual incursion, right? That was, I believe, in a lot of ways, was sent, you know, the watchers coming to earth, mixing, intermixing with humanity was sent to to corrupt the bloodline in a lot of ways. Exactly right. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:40

I was just teaching on that last week.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:42

Yeah, love it. So, you know, if you guys haven't researched Genesis 6 and all of the implications there, please do. There's a lot of literature around that. And so, yeah, there's the it's essentially the the purification of the line and then maintaining that that that purity, you know. And then we get to be grafted. I mean, my people were Vikings, you know what I mean? Like I'm grafted into the kingdom. Come on now, amen. My people would be rolling over in their funeral pyres if they knew that I was a Christian. But here we are, right? We get to be grafted as you know, like we we are the Gentiles that are grafted into the uh into the beautiful uh kingdom, man. So come on, let's do it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:17

Yeah, 100%. All right. So what else is uh what else is happening on the global stage? So if you got questions, go ahead and throw them up on the thing. Um, if you are feeling emotionally drawn into stuff, you need to be aware of social manipulation. The what happens when your emotions get get laid hold of concerning the social narratives is that whatever voice is behind the source of those emotions begins to have influence on you. And as you give yourself to that thing, you begin to be controlled. We are to be controlled and influenced by the kingdom of God alone. And so, yes, the the Charlie Kirk thing is emotional for many of us, but it's not determinative, meaning it's right to feel a way about it, it is wrong to allow the way you feel about it to be a determinative factor on what is kingdom and what is not kingdom. Kingdom and what is not kingdom is defined by the word of the Lord and the demonstration of his kingdom, what's happening in the local earth. Emotions are notoriously fickle, they are notoriously unreliable, they are good as long as they serve your spirit.

SPEAKER_06: 1:08:34

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:35

Bad when they are the things in the driver's seat.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:39

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:40

That's the problem.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:41

When there are responses to thoughts in the soul, those kinds of things. Yeah. I'm all kinds of stuff.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:46

Like, you know, I give the example. If if I were to come in and say, you know, you know, uh Zane got killed in a car wreck, and you know, anyone who's been listening to the podcast knows, you know, who you are, and oh, I feel uh it's you know, what about what about the wife and the babies and how are they gonna and all this emotional stuff starts happening inside as I respond to the information that I've heard, and then five minutes later I say, hmm, just kidding. Wait, what? I have just absolutely controlled your emotional world, ready, with a lie. I have I have controlled your emotional reality with something that isn't even true.

SPEAKER_04: 1:09:33

That's the sorcery of mass media right there.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:36

Yep, and this dynamic, it's it's it's social uh social media witchcraft is exactly what's present in all of these narratives. Okay, so all of the stuff with the social things and what's happening in the culture and all that stuff, it is all designed to take your eyes here and to take your eyes there and to let your heart go here and to let your heart go there. And remember, Matthew 24 don't let your love grow cold.

SPEAKER_07: 1:10:07

Amen.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:08

Remain tender to the Lord, remain soft to what's happening in the kingdom of God. Ask yourself this question: what has your worship? Come on, understand. Yep, that's right. On the other side, you can be so viscerally against Charlie Kirk that you're you you you miss what it is that God is doing, and on this side, you can begin to idolize Charlie Kirk.

SPEAKER_06: 1:10:35

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:35

I saw somebody post something earlier about making Charlie Kirk a saint within the Catholic Church. That is idolatry.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:43

True. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:46

That is idolatry.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:47

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:47

Did he die for what he believed? Yep, 100%. Do you then exalt him to the level of Jesus? No, not at all. Guard your heart, guard your mind. Allow yourself to be governed by the scripture and governed by the voice of the Lord, not what's happening out there.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:07

In prayer the other night, the Lord was showing me just you know about emotion, right? And how, you know, if we uh experience intuition through the spirit, that intuition can trigger emotion. Great. Now the spirit's talking to us. If we're Christian, the Holy Spirit's talking to us through that, right? But the you know, emotion can also be triggered by the mind, like I was saying, right? Through thoughts, fears can also be triggered by the heart. The heart is part of the soul. So it's like it can come from a lot of different places. So we have luckily we have the Holy Spirit to help us work through those emotions and understand them, but we also have discernment, something we're building through relationship with the Holy Spirit, right?

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:45

Amen.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:46

Amen. Okay, so how do you judge the the discerning of spirits in First Corinthians chapter 12? It is a gift, and some folks are uh they they believe that it's used for determining the type of of a uh a spirit, and that is a that's a fair extrapolation. There are different kinds of spirits. Um Jesus speaks about kinds of uh of unclean spirits and such, and so so that's a thing. Uh, but the better the the better use of the gift of discerning spirits is discerning the source of a manifestation, and that is what is insanely practical to the people of God is determining what is the source of this manifestation that I am discerning. And immediately it's supernatural manifestations, but it can be extrapolated to what is the source of the voice I'm listening to? This voice is seeking buy-in from me. What is that thing? What what is what is the what is the the nature or the root of this stream of data that's seeking some sort of claim to my internal person? What is that? So there's the discerning of spirits. Um uh additionally, doctrine. Jesus or Paul is absolutely clear, no one speaking by the Spirit of God is going to be able to say Jesus is accursed. What what is right doctrine? What what is what is historic Christian doctrine? What is the stuff that's found regular uh regularly in the scripture? What what is what has been revealed to us through the Bible? So know your Bible, know your doctrine. The Spirit of God, whatever it is that God is doing, it's not gonna contradict what He's already revealed. Unlike Mormonism and unlike like other uh other religions, revelation, uh the the the nature of divine scripture, it it it is not um uh we do not believe that God's gonna tell us something later that is going to contradict and trump something earlier. So, like with with the Mormons, you're not gonna get this progressive revelation that prior to 1970, whatever African-American people are not allowed in the the LDS inner circle. And oh now now divine revelation is come, and now God's allowing them into the inner circle, and and the other prophet was wrong, and this prophet was right, and and now this scripture trump. No, no, no. That that's that's not that's not the way that God works. That's not the way that the the one true God works. So what's what's happening in scripture? Um uh additionally, substance. What is the substance of what's being being shopped to you? What what is what what is it looking to produce? So for instance, we know abortion is wrong. Why? Because we don't like death, we disagree with the principle of death. We we don't like somebody who's done nothing dying. We're we don't agree with that. So so what is the substance in that moment? Further, what about demonstrative substance? Meaning Jesus said this, so that you may know the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins. I say to you, take up your palate and walk. There's a supernatural demonstration along with it. Now that gets weird because we're seeing more more bad supernatural manifestations, then it becomes a matter of of a showdown. But these are the things that you're wanting to ask yourself when these emotional things are coming up, what is worth giving yourself to, what is not worth giving yourself to, what is what here's a good one. What would you be happy with teaching your babies?

SPEAKER_07: 1:15:52

There you go.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:53

Like if if you wouldn't show a two-year-old the murder of Charlie Kirk on a television, why are you okay with it? That that level of of relative innocence, that level of that's just not ready, appropriate or language, that's not right. You show your kid full-blown porn, right? That's wrong.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:16

Totally.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:17

Make sense?

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:18

Yeah, and that yeah, that level of innocence is Christ-like in a lot of ways, too. And so it's a good barometer on you know, that that moral structure that exists inherently in Christianity, you know, is what that's a beautiful question. What would you show your kids? You know, I really, I really appreciate that one given that, you know, my ministry is is a lot of it is is is child rearing, you know what I mean? So yeah, thank you for that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:40

Yeah, 100%. Here's the other question. Not only how do you judge, how do you stay grounded? How do you stay grounded in all this stuff, right? Psalm 125.1 says, Those who trust in the Lord are as Mount Zion, they are unshakable.

SPEAKER_07: 1:16:56

Come on.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:57

And so if you're finding yourself shaken, if you're finding yourself undone and finding yourself pushed here and pushed there and and driven around what what the scripture says by every wind and wave of doctrine, or or pushed here and and etc. What's happening on the inside? How do you stay grounded? And there's there's really two ways to stay grounded. The first is is your relationship with the Lord. You you must be developing regular, strong intimacy with God. That is first personal, talking to him, praying, reading the word, fellowshipping with him, just spending time with him. And then second, it's corporate. The the source of oil in the scriptures obviously is the Lord, it's the Holy Spirit, but specifically it's the olive tree. And the primary olive tree is Christ. He is the tree of life, he is the tree into which we are grafted. He is so so the anointing, the the presence of the Spirit is given to us through Christ, and then he gives that to the local church through the sons of fresh oil, which are the olive trees that belong to churches. The folks who who God has placed in leadership and and such, read Zechariah chapter three, Zechariah chapter four. The olive trees dump their oil into the lampstand, which is the church. Okay, that's how you the the anointing keeps you grounded. Why does the anointing come? And here's the the bigger the bigger issue. Mission stay on assignment stay kingdom no such thing as a lone ranger Christian. No such thing as is going off and just me me and me and Jesus. Like you you must have that initially, but you can never have that to the exclusion of Christ in his body. We in the West have a a horrible visceral individualism.

SPEAKER_04: 1:19:19

Right. Lone wolves.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:22

And Jesus, first Corinthians chapter 12, when you are saved, the Holy Spirit takes you and makes you a part of the body of Christ. One of the evidences of salvation is your membership in the global body of Christ, and that finds its expression locally. Always. Folks are like, oh, you know, they're there the the the local church isn't the church. Kind of. The church is the global united body of Christ, but that always finds its expression locally. Revelation chapter two and chapter three, there are rebukes and blessings that belong to the ready brick and mortar local churches called the seven churches of Asia Minor.

SPEAKER_05: 1:20:14

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:15

Pergamum, Sardis, Thyatira, Philadelphia, etc. Sorta, whatever. And when reading it, you would want to be a part of one and not a part of another one.

SPEAKER_04: 1:20:27

Yeah, right. Right, for obvious reasons.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:30

That's right. So of the seven, five got firm rebukes, two got blessings, and if you can tell the rebukes don't go to all of them, and the blessings don't go to all of them. There is a very real local expression that is unique per expression, and it has to do with mission. And so belonging to a local covenanted body is absolutely important. And yes, you are the spiritual body of Christ. Absolutely. That is not to the exclusion of the expression of the local, which is where mission takes place. And the point is not, you know, I want to go knock on the walls of the church and you know touch a brick. The point is God is doing something in the local region, extending his kingdom, and that happens through people. And people gather and they connect together. And so that local gathered connectedness is where that anointing happens, where the mission is expressed, and that will keep you grounded.

SPEAKER_04: 1:21:30

Forever I identified as a lone wolf until I got saved, and immediately it was like I gotta find other people who know about Jesus, who want who I can learn from, who I can connect with. Uh it would the Lord just put it on my heart immediately, which was just so out of character. And I think back, and it's like before I got saved, I was a I was a lone wolf because I had a huge spiritual ego, and I believed that I knew everything there was to know in the new age, and I had all the answers. And not by coincidence. This is how satanic circles work as well, you know. Yeah, they work together to summon whoever they're trying to summon, but they're gonna fight each other, they're gonna backstab each other when it all comes down to it. You know what I mean? There's no different in the new age, unfortunately. You know, you have communities here and there, but man, they're all warring against each other, you know. But there's absolute unity, you know, uh in people who are of that olive tree. And I think, yeah, we have disunity in the body. That sucks, you know. There's something that to be said about that, there's something to be prayed into, however, the Lord wants us to all be in unity, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:26

Yeah, you look at the promise in in uh what why did God tear down the tower of Babel? Like it wasn't just that they were building building a tall tower, like they were gonna they were gonna do something with the tower, and Jewish tradition tells us they were trying to break into heaven, they were trying to create a portal.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:42

Right, the boat of the gods, right?

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:44

That's right. And and what did God say? Wasn't the the height of the tower, he was like, they're unified, and whatever they put themselves to, nothing will be withheld from them. There it is, and there's a clear indication from heaven itself that if if many are one, nothing is impossible for them. And so so we need to be the many who are one, the many membered son of man. This this I like you can't read first Corinthians chapter 12 and think that there is such a thing as long as Christianity. If if if the whole body were a nose, where would the seeing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? Like we absolutely need each other. And for those of you who think that you have no use to the body of Christ, you're absolutely integral. We need you. Yeah, we need each other.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:35

And otherwise the the body is an amputee, as you said last night. I love that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:39

Wow, dude. And things get as things get crazy, we we need each other. We we need to we uh a quarter three strands is not easily broken.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:50

That's right.

SPEAKER_07: 1:23:51

Come on. Amen, brother. Amen. Amen.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:56

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Absolutely.

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SPEAKER_04: 1:27:04

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SPEAKER_02: 1:27:25

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