The Disclosure Deception | Choose Your Kingdom

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Headlines are calling it “non-human intelligence,” but the deeper question is allegiance: which kingdom are we dealing with, and how do we respond without fear or naivety? We take you from congressional hearings and military UAP videos to the places most shows won’t go—historical occult roots, theological implications of “life out there,” and what it means when abduction accounts end the moment someone invokes the name of Jesus.

We unpack how Genesis, Romans 8, and the incarnation define the limits of “ET salvation,” why today’s interdimensional language actually fits the biblical category of spiritual beings, and how media has front-loaded the culture for ontological shock. From orbs to “foo fighters,” from automatic writing to the “gray” archetype, the pattern looks ancient: the same spirits in new costumes, tailored to each era’s imagination. We trace the line that connects pop-sci hopes, evolutionary narratives, and modern disclosure talk to a pressure campaign on worship—not just belief.

Then we zoom into the now. AI hype, quantum promises, neural interfaces, and transhumanist dreams offer a counterfeit path to immortality. Tie that to financial control systems and you can see why Revelation 13 is less about sci-fi and more about loyalty. The mark begins with worship; the tech is just the delivery system. So what should followers of Jesus do? Stay in the Word. Stay in prayer. Stay in a healthy local church. Learn to test spirits. And be ready to demonstrate the superior kingdom like Elijah on Mount Carmel: not with spectacle, but with obedience that carries authority.

If you’re looking for a clear, sober guide through the noise—one that respects evidence, engages Scripture, and refuses fear—this conversation is for you. Listen, share with a friend who’s curious or confused about UFOs and “disclosure,” and leave a review so others can find it. Your take: are we seeing aliens, demons, or something else—and where will you place your worship?

Confessionals Episode "Abductions Stopped by Jesus"

Chapters

• 0:04 Framing Truth And Deception
• 1:03 Welcome And Kingdom Perspective
• 2:08 UFOs Go Mainstream In Congress
• 4:24 Personal Encounters And Agenda Questions
• 6:26 Theology Of Life Beyond Earth
• 12:45 Physics, Entropy, And Incarnation Limits
• 16:42 From ET To Interdimensional Beings
• 18:53 Abductions Halted In Jesus’ Name
• 20:31 Government Disclosures And UAP Videos
• 23:26 Non-Human Intelligence In Legislation
• 25:34 Media, Sci-Fi, And Narrative Control
• 28:54 Unified Paranormal Theory And Orbs
• 33:58 Occult Roots Of “Greys” And Roswell
• 38:09 Evolution, Deception, And End Times
• 42:15 Ontological Shock And Global Unity
• 46:18 Interdimensionality In A Biblical Frame
• 51:07 Ancient Spirits, New Masks
• 55:08 Tech, Transhumanism, And Immortality
• 1:00:18 AI, Control Systems, And Revelation 13
• 1:03:35 Liars, Front-Loading, And Foo Fighters
• 1:07:38 Altars, CERN, And False Worship
• 1:11:16 Old Gods, New Names, Same Spirits
• 1:15:29 How Christians Stand Amid Signs
• 1:21:26 Mount Carmel Strategy For Today
• 1:31:40 Stay Focused On Christ
• 1:32:31 Closing Thanks And Next Steps

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:04

And and when we say something is deceptive, that doesn't mean it's not true or real. It means it's not of the truth, the person of truth, Christ, or the kingdom of God, which is truth, and how all truth is defined, is the person of Jesus. And he begins to remember in these abduction interviews, every so often he came across a case where somebody invoked the name of Jesus and the abduction stopped.

SPEAKER_01: 0:34

And that to me points to something that is obviously interdimensional, you know, metaphysical, of course, supernatural, definitely, but obviously, you know, um could easily be attributed to the demonic.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03

Welcome to the Blood and Oil Podcast.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07

All right, beautiful people. Welcome to Blood and Oil Podcast. We are on today. Um, Jesse and I are joining you once again. Excited to come on and again, sort of uh just uh get down to it, man. We're we're kind of delving in some topics today that have uh been on people's hearts, but really in the news a lot too. Um kind of like what we did last time, a little bit of um, you know, current events and things like that. But again, we're just trying to bring kingdom perspective to everything we're we're uh that's going on in the world. And I think that uh, you know, I know that Blood and Oil Podcast is a great um platform to be able to do that. And I know it brings a lot of blessings. We've been getting some great feedback, uh, people coming to the Lord. It's just wonderful. So we can't thank you guys enough for listening and watching and participating in this with us. Um, you know, this is for the body. So I'll uh give it over to my my boy Jesse and uh we'll get it going.

SPEAKER_02: 1:59

Yeah, so uh one of the reasons why we decided to talk about what we're gonna talk about today is because in the last number of weeks, uh a number of things have happened. Uh in the last three weeks, there's been a congressional meeting right around the same time as the Charlie Kirk assassination concerning what the government is calling non-human intelligences. And um, the the common pop culture references is what most people would consider aliens. And the the topic's kind of difficult to negotiate and and navigate because you you want to stay grounded in what's true. And there's a lot of deception. Uh the entire thing is shrouded in deception. Kind of think about the um the wizard of oz, right? Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. And so finding out what's actually happening in it versus what what's being presented to happening concerning it um can can it it takes some work. So I just want to pray. Um Father, come, Holy Spirit, saturate us and and everybody that may engage and use this for your glory in Jesus' name. So in particular, uh there's been another congressional um meeting uh with more whistleblowers, more f uh, and this time they've actually got a first-hand eyewitness uh person who's who's testifying to what they've seen directly. And then in the last week, um several different podcasts have come out with uh sitting congressional members and senators, uh, in particular, Danny Jones interviewed um uh Anna Paulina Luna and then uh Tucker Carlson had on um Tim Burchett. And so this conversation is is no longer peripheral, it is actually mainstream. And so having a Christian perspective on what's happening and a response biblically to what's happening, as well as being able to meaningfully engage what's happening without getting caught in the weeds is largely important. Uh so I think those are my opening thoughts.

SPEAKER_01: 4:22

Zane, anything? Yeah, you know, when I when I think about this, you know, it's it's it's it's cool, obviously, like happening. Being um, you know, in the mix with the Lord now, you know, as of the last two and a half years, myself and my my wife being saved, uh obviously, you know, things have been clicking into place for us in terms of the paranormal, uh, the metaphysical, the spiritual, definitely the spiritual, but um, you know, and that that that all you know doesn't even need to be said. I mean, there's so much truth in in in Christ Jesus that, you know, any question we ask of the Holy Spirit, I believe will be answered, you know, in time. However, this UFO thing is interesting for me personally because I've had some experiences. I've seen lights, you know. Um, and man, I've been, I've been steeped in this stuff since probably two, uh maybe '98, '99, you know, getting in with Art Bell, Coast to Coast AM. I've I've I've mentioned that a couple of times for some of you uh uh, you know, uh that that a little older generation that might have heard it on the radio. Uh, but he used to, he used to interview contactees, uh, witnesses of this this kind of phenomena. And I loved that stuff. I ate it up because I had had experiences of my own. And I couldn't really, I didn't really understand what they were. Um and all of this stuff coming to light, it's sort of like a slap in the face in a lot of ways, because we've known that the the government has known about this stuff forever. Um, what it is and and who these things, what these things are, and and what kind of propulsion systems they're using, if they're even craft at all, physical craft, who knows? Um, you know, I would love to have those answers. Um, but for all of this stuff to come out now, it seems like there's an agenda behind it, you know. Um there was an agenda behind not releasing the information. Now there's an agenda behind releasing the information. And I'm like, you know, what so what do you guys need from us, right? It's like, why are we why are we doing this? Um, and yeah, I'd I would like uh some deeper perspective on that from my boy. So thank you, Jesse.

SPEAKER_02: 6:25

Yeah, for sure. So for me, um my uh my family's always had supernatural stuff happening. Um, and we we knew about uh orbs and these kinds of things before they they hit the mainstream and uh before they're like this is this is back before uh the internet and cable television, and so or you know, we had cable, but uh, you know, you had to pay lots of money for cable back when VCRs were a thing. And so we've always had these kind of encounters with the supernatural, um, my family, and a lot of it would be categorized as what people would would um call paranormal. So always been aware of the supernatural, get saved, aware that there's a a bad team and a good team, want to be on the good team, give my life to Jesus, um, you know, process up through about 20, 22 or 23 years old, um, and then and then jump right into chasing Jesus with everything that I am. In that zone, I'm in I'm in Bible school and I have people asking me about the theological and philosophical stuff that that underlies what if there's life on other planets. And so that's where the topic started for me. And so I I'm I wanted to to have an answer for people who are asking these these questions involved in evangelism, so sharing your faith, talking to people about the the reality of Jesus, demonstrating the reality of Jesus through, you know, supernatural means, whether people are getting, you know, healed, raised from the dead, these kinds of things. So, so regular engaging in in opportunities for God to demonstrate the gospel. And into that, into that evangelism realm, you always to some degree get philosophical um propositions. You you get people who are want to engage in apologetics topics, like we did one uh last season on um Theodicy, the problem of evil, and and these things are regular. Well, one of them is the question because of the push of Hollywood and the science fiction genre and this alien phenomenon that's been been fringe conspiracy theory for since the 40s. So we're going on 70 years now. People began to ask me, and uh a legitimate question, even concerning um apologetics with Mormons, because their their greater theology, depending on on the kind of Mormonism that you that they espouse, has in it population of other planets and and these things and their their spiritual structure and theology. So I began to investigate. So okay, what what does the Bible say about whether or not there's life on other planets? And and the the the first answer is how do you define life? So if you mean, you know, microbes or plants or whatever, doesn't matter. Sure. Potential? Absolutely. Could be, maybe. Everything is filtered through a a purpose structure. So God does everything for a reason. So if plants and such exist here for a reason, then potentially they they could exist elsewhere for a reason. Sure, no problem with that. Then the question comes, what about sentient life? When you look at Genesis chapter one, the Hoshima Emirets, the the very first statement in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. That that statement, heavens and earth, the Hoshima Emirets, is it is a compound statement that says heavens and earths. And the the scholarly consensus is that it means everything's created in Genesis 1.1. Angels, planets, everything that is not of the nature of God Himself, who is uncreated, leaps into existence at Genesis 1.1. Then you have an undefined amount of time between Genesis 1.1 and 1.2, in which the perspective shifts from this universal perspective now to the face of planet Earth. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and the the earth was formless and void. So now your your perspective shifts from this universal perspective in which God creates everything down suddenly to the face of planet earth. And now God's going to tell us about what's happening on the face of planet earth. And he goes through the rest of the created order, of which Adam is the crowning event. Right. Man, therefore, is given rule and reign. The idea of the image of God is it's not connected to physicality. It's not like we've got we've got arms and a face, and so God is similar. It's not connected to the male-female relationship and sexuality. It's not connected to the tri-unity of God and in the idea of the Father, Son, and the Spirit, and the tri-unity of man who is body, soul, and spirit. It's not connected to any of that. You read the text and it says, Let them rule. So the image of God specifically is found in we are his picked ruling agent, like a regent who is ruling in the stead of another. That when you see the regent, you are dealing with the one who placed the regent. I am the image of that regent. Okay. That is over everything, the entire created order. Adam falls, and now sin is invested into everything underneath Adam's governance. Right. We see entropy is a thing, no matter whether you're looking at the face of this planet or nine million light years away, or however they do the math for something through a telescope. This idea of a closed system is winding down in energy. Things are not building up in energy. It's it's the you know, one of the laws of therm thermodynamics, second law of thermodynamics. This principle of entropy. Well, that's the effect of sin in the natural, where everything's winding down. We get old, we we lose energy, dissipation, all this stuff. Okay. That's happening here on the face of this planet and everywhere else we look. Well, what does that mean? Romans chapter 8 says that the entire creation is groaning, awaiting the revealing of the sons of God. Adam's sin affects everything. Full stop. So if there is a sentient being on another planet, it is part of this created order, as is everything else. And it is affected if it's natural and and physical, like like us, meaning it's got a physicality to it, meaning it's not a spirit being like like an angel, okay? It's going to be affected by sin the way the same way that we are. And entropy. Right. Here's the problem Jesus incarnated as a man to save men. Right. Human. Right. So now you've got to do all this theological assumption and gymnastics. Okay, well, well, if they're locked underneath the sin of Adam, how does the the redemption of Jesus apply to s to them when they're not the image of God, but man's the image of God? And does that mean that Jesus would have to incarnate on that planet as one of them to save them? But but but the problem now is but they're under Adam's sin. And so so all of this now you open this this can of worms with a bunch of theological presuppositions and assumptions that are very, very problematic. Okay. Enter the Fermi paradox and these other things that the i if there is a physicality expression meaning nuts and bolts like you and me, meaning flesh and blood like you and me, whatever these things are in what looks like craft, and I'm not saying that they're craft, okay? The the devil is is a master deceiver. Whatever these things are, they are demonstrating turns at right angles at speeds that if it was a physical physicality like us, meaning matter like us, it would be turned to jelly. Okay, in the atonement, Jesus only pays for us, incarnates as us. These paradoxes they they they don't allow that physicality to get here, so then Jesus would have to incarnate there. That's untenable. Okay. Now we've got problems with them being able to physically get here, then what are they? Right. And the present consensus is they are shifting away from the extraterrestrial hypothesis because there's too many unsurmountable, insurmountable sorry, insurmountable problems with these being physical beings from another planet, or even the craft being physical. Too many holes. That's right. And so you're you're actually having official open-air congressional meetings where the term non-human intelligence and interdimensional beings is being promoted in these these sessions of Congress, and you're like, wait a second, what okay? So I'm studying this, I'm like, okay, they they they obviously can't be from another planet, there's too many problems with that. And I study on I stumble on some um some research by a guy named Joe Jordan. And Joe was a move on investigator at the mutual UFO network. And I I may have his data his his historical data point as far as his chronology wrong, but he's not a Christian. He's investigating these sightings for UFO across America, and they're not getting anywhere. But every so often he stumbles on a case of what's called abduction. And these things are dark. They're they're bad, they're not good, the it's inevitably always always sexual, meaning that when people experience these abduction moments, the the nature of the abduction is is always sexual in some nature. You know, the joke, anal probe came because of of that exact dynamic. Um, and so he goes back and he's getting ready to investigate these abduction reports, and somebody gives him a Bible, and they're like, look, it this is dark and evil. He he starts to read the Bible. At some point he gets saved, and he begins to remember in these abduction interviews, every so often he came across a case where somebody invoked the name of Jesus and the abduction stopped. That's right. These things did not like the name of Jesus, these things did not obey the name or did they had to obey the name of Jesus. And so that that key component. Now he's got over, you know, 400 testimonies. I think today now he's got over 600 um cases where this has happened. And that was the linchpin for me. Okay. A, that means that they're spiritual. B, it means that they're batting for the wrong team. At that point, I said, all right, that's good enough for me. I know what it is in this this phenomenon, which is a genuine phenomenon, meaning people are experiencing something. What that something is remains to be seen, but people are experiencing something. That phenomenon is is satanic, demonic, dark, the other kingdom in nature, not of the camp of the living God. And that was enough for me. Thoughts at this point?

SPEAKER_01: 19:05

Yeah, no, I mean I have a ton of thoughts, but I want you to keep going.

SPEAKER_02: 19:10

Okay, so enter 2020.

SPEAKER_01: 19:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 19:14

Um Donald Trump releases a COVID bill that inside of it. And I guess this is not uncommon for for big bills that they will hide things inside of the bill that do other things, and you know, that that's that's part of the present process of politics in America. You know, people won't read a 300-page bill, and so they'll just sign it. And so so people will slide things in there to get it approved, even though it wasn't actually approved. And so I guess that's normal, but inside the bill was a a release of of records. Let me let me see if I can get the the actual data here. Omnibus COVID bill signed by President Trump started a 180-day required disclosure by U.S. Director of Intelligence, Secretary of Defense, Senate Intelligence and Armed Services, a report about what the government knows about quote unquote UFO. Data from the FBI, Office of Naval Intelligence, UAP Task Force were required to be divulged. Mid-2021, we saw the release of previously classified military videos and documents hit the public and the news airwave. So anyone who remembers watching that point in time, all the major news networks popped off on it before Tucker Carlson quit Fox. He was covering it. And these videos hit the airwave: the GoFast, the Nimble, and the Tic Tac, or the Gimbal and the Tip Tic Tac, these military-grade videos where people watching them, if you don't know what you're looking at, it looks like a grainy black and white video. But but what you're actually looking at is you're looking at a military video that includes more data than just the visual. So you've got infrared readings, you've got heat readings, you've got sonar pings, you've got all these things that are incorporated into that video where it's it's it's much more substantial than just a visual. Like like today, you can fake all kinds of stuff with AI. But these videos show some sort of a return on several different monitor reads, several different um uh feed reads, that if it were just a visual thing, it wouldn't return a heat source. If it were just a visual component, it wouldn't return a radar ping. So these videos get released and it causes a ton of stir. This is the six months into Biden's um presidency, and this starts in motion a number of meetings, June 25th, 2021, the first open air hearing by our government on what they call UAP, Unidentified Aero Phenomenon, is held in for the first time in 70 years, where this has not been talked about on the governmental level publicly at all for decades. After this meeting, the Pentagon creates Aero, the all-domain anomaly resource office or resolution office. And then since then, we've had four, I think three or four other um congressional meetings, two to three hours. And you go watch them yourself, people under oath testifying of these number of things. And what happened in that moment for me is that this topic went from fringe tenfoil hat, okay, one of the various demonic deceptions that are out there, pick your flavor, now to why is our government taking it seriously? And more specifically, why is there so much money being focused on this?

SPEAKER_01: 23:01

Right. It's been co-opted for a very, very direct um intent, you know?

SPEAKER_02: 23:07

Yeah. And, you know, money makes the world go around. And so if if the government is throwing cash at it and not small amounts of cash, large amount, large amounts of cash at it, they're taking it seriously. Or at least they want us to believe that they're taking it seriously. Okay. That sets the stage for where we're presently at. We've had um several different bills that have been presented to Congress that have uh the phraseology, non-human intelligence um baked into them, and they're not talking about AI. That's not what they're talking about. So when you have a bill that's being signed by both Republicans and Democrats that has, you know, 18 pages with X amount of mentions of non-human intelligence mentioned in it, the level of deception of what's coming on the face of the planet has just increased. And now you've got three eye Atlas that's being talked about. Avi Loeb, uh a Harvard professor, wants to present that this potentially is an alien spacecraft. And and what do you do with all of that? Where do you go with all of that? What Christian answer do you have for all of that? And so that's that's where I'm presently at.

SPEAKER_01: 24:29

Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's interesting, you know, to kind of see this all unfolding. I'm I'm recalling back in like you said the Tic Tac was before COVID, but I remember during COVID, there was like a definite, yes, you know, UFOs are real, right? That kind of like swept the zeitgeist, and no one really batted an eye because there was so much fear present in in the world due to COVID, right? So it's like, was this were these these agendas stacked on top of one another in order to release something that is just astronomical in terms of human, you know, history, um, which is, of course, you know, the discovery of of off-planet life. Um however, you know, when you when you get the govern when the government is is inserts itself into an issue, you have to kind of question, okay, what why what's the what's the agenda here? We'd mentioned it before, and I talked about it in in previous episodes, about the reasons that they always gave for not coming out with this stuff, right? The propulsion systems behind the craft. We would we would argue, you know, the um the the the populace, the commoners, if you will, would argue for um the the the um the use of this propulsion, these propulsion systems in our cars and our vehicles and things like that over natural gases, over um uh fossil fuels, these kinds of things. Also the the mass panic that the release of this information might may cause, right? So they're sort of throwing out all of these tropes of reasons why, because you know, for so long, again, like I mentioned, like you said, the 40s, 47 or whatever was Roswell, we had, you know, a couple of sightings around that time as well that really sparked everything off. But you also had the birth of the sci-fi um, you know, industry at that time as well as a as a way to sort of lighten the blow of some of these in you know, sighting reports that were coming in now. Um, you could just chalk that up to someone saw a UFO in a movie and uh they're just making it up because it's part of their subconscious or whatever it is, right? You could, you could easily like it's it's plausible demi deniability. So the the sci-fi uh industry um coincided with this, you know, the the these mass sightings that were, that were, that were starting to put to crop up um through these last decades. But forever, the people who were sort of in the know and on the fringe side of things and were looking into this stuff and maybe had sightings of their own, such as myself, we were always like, yeah, give us the information. Why are you withholding it? But those were always the answers. The propulsion systems, you know, it would end the fossil fuel market for, you know, that's big business, obviously. Um, and and and people would panic and they would say, Hey, why didn't you tell us about this sooner? This is an actual threat to our safety. Now we're going to sue the government for withholding this information. These are all the things that they were throwing out there of reasons why. And then all of a sudden now they're behind it and now they're wanting to put this information out there and they did it at the right time. So no one's really batting an eye. It is just all so fishy, man. I really like what you said about the name of Jesus. Um, you know, uh stopping these abductions because that is a very, very real thing. I'm actually going to link in the show notes this great podcast from the Confessionals of one of their episodes where that guy came on and he was talking about it. So he gives a great cross-section of of all of these um, you know, events where people spoke the name of Jesus and these abduct abduction, you know, events, mid-event, man. There, these these beings or whatever they were in in someone's bedroom. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And and he just he just rattles off a ton of different accounts of these things. And then it's amazing. But you're right. Like I, when I heard that, I was already a Christian. So I was already like, yeah, man, we got power over the demonic realm, of course. We have authority over the demonic realm. I know that, but I did not attribute it to this this wider phenomena. And what I think is fascinating about all this too is because I've I've always been into cryptids and those kinds of things. I've always been in just like deep paranormal guy, right? Well, we were also like looking into the unified phenomena theory, right? Um a few weeks back, you and I were talking about that. Another episode on the confessional shout out. Um, but this guy's guys talking. What's that? Nathan Gillis. Nathan Gillis, exactly. Nathan Git, Nathan Gillis is talking about this unified phenomena of all paranormal activity, that essentially the source of which is a is an orb sighting. And did you get to that point in that episode where he's talking about, yeah, so we think that it's all coming from these orbs? Like most people who see the even a cryptid, they'll see a UFO, they'll they'll have an abduction experience. It generally will start with an orb, which is really interesting. And that to me points to something that is obviously interdimensional, you know, metaphysical, of course, supernatural, definitely, but obviously, you know, um could easily be attributed to the demonic.

SPEAKER_02: 29:13

Yeah. So Nate Nathan's uh hypothesis is that we we are seeing the same thing we've always been seeing for the last 7,000 years when it comes to the manifestation element, and that they they put on different masks that match whatever the cultural zeitgeist is. And so he's got some pretty interesting um case studies and and his approach is he he doesn't want to deal with um philosophical contentions. He wants to look at hardcore data from case studies and then ask questions based on the hardcore data from case studies. And so the the working theory is that, you know, the the sprites of the the 1100s or the the um will o' the wisps from you know ancient. English and and uh Arthurian legend, like these things, elves, um, orcs, trolls, all that that kind of supernatural stuff, um finds its expression in some sort of a spiritually unified phenomenon. Now he he goes as far as to say it's it's one intelligence, um, one superintelligence. I I believe that there is one superintelligence behind it. We call it the devil. Um, but I do believe that there are many other intelligences underneath it, but they're all working in unison. And, you know, heaven, heaven's got records and documents, and there's it's obvious that in the spirit realm you've got books. Um, you know, read the book of Revelation. And so the the it logically follows that the enemy takes record also. There's a thing called familial spirits in which these uh fallen entities, you know, whatever you want to identify them as, um, keep record of what's happening with families. And you know, we had that one instance with the baptism where the the 19-year-old girl starts spouting out information that's like 50 years old concerning things that have happened on this campus, on our campus here. And and and you realize, yeah, that wasn't her. That was something that's been keeping track of what's been happening on on this property, um, which was really crazy. So um the the the orb concept is interesting because when you look at the historical data, it's always some sort of a glowing sphere. And I remember my first my first encounter with with this was actually a family member that I used to live with um who this person was was pretty sensitive and still is pretty sensitive to the like the veil is thinner for this person, right? Like the their ability to sense things that are happening in the unseen realm is and and these are things, you know, we the the pop culture paranormal world would call them psychic abilities or something like that. But right, exactly. And so for them, they're the the veil that separates the the seen from the unseen is is thinner. And so this person would experience like, you know, um little Native American uh girls who claim that they were dead and these kinds of things. And we're in San Lorenzo in the East Bay, and this person comes flying into my room and jumps in bed with me, scared out of their mind, and come to find out that there was a substantially large glowing orb had appeared in the corner, upper corner of the room, and was traveling down the corner of the room. And and this person woke up, perceived it, and and all the fear and all that other component, loss of breath, all that stuff, all transpires. This person runs and and jumps in debate with me. I was, you know, sleeping in a different room. Um, that was my first encounter, and I was nine or ten when this happened, and I remembered that. And then I then the um the paranormal research uh documentary started coming out on like the Discovery Channel and the History Channel and the the Ghost Adventures and these things. And I remember when they had because I was watching them researching, okay, what what are they doing? I'm I'm interested in the supernatural and how that interfaces with the biblical worldview. And I remember when when they're getting scratches that manifest on their body prior to it, with a a camera, there's a tiny little orb that flies across the camera, shoots through their body, comes out the other side of the body, so it's not a speck of dust on the camera, and then they turn and their body does this, and these scratches, these welts with you know, scratches and a little blood rising to the surface just appears on their arm. And that keyed me off to the orb phenomenon. And now, all you know, just six months ago, we had uh somebody posting locally here. They're they're chasing or or getting encounters with orbs in the trees, and their bodies are seized, they don't have the ability to operate. And the conjunction of these orbs with the UFO phenomenon, statements of people who think they observe a Sasquatch, and behind the Sasquatch is an orb. Uh, and all of these things coalescing together that seem to indicate a full court press of deception on things that are perceived but not actually substantial. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_01: 34:52

Yeah, absolutely. You know, and there's no better argument for this stuff being demonic than a couple of points I want to make. 1917, you know, uh famed occultist Aleister Crowley uh went to Cairo, Egypt and performed a ceremony, the Amalantra working, where he summoned this entity he would call Lamb, L-A-M. And if you look at a picture of this thing, it is a gray alien before anyone knew what a gray alien was. I'm not gonna put a picture of it on there, but you guys can look it up. And he communicated this. Or don't. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, don't even get into it. But we all if you've looked into Aleister Crowley at all, right, or Crowley at all, you'd know that he's this occultist. He is a ceremonial ceremonial magician, he dabbled in the dark arts, he was called the Great Beast, 666. So he was labeled as these things. And in fact, he labeled himself as himself as these things. And so we know that he had a very, very dark approach to his his uh religious activity, right? And so we have this picture now of this gray alien, right? And this idea that like now it's a part of um, you know, um the the the undergirding of of society because now it's it's it's exposed in this way. It's coming, however, from this dark ritual. Now, in 1946, interestingly enough, his successor, Jack Parsons, who started JBO Laboratories and you know was behind the beginning of NASA, teamed up with none other than L. Ron Hubbard of Scientology fame to do the Babylon working in the deserts of uh Southern California. Now, 1946, right? They're opening a portal in the middle of the desert to allow whatever they want to come in, whatever entities they're worshiping. Yeah, exactly. Whoever they think they may be, doesn't matter. They're opening a portal. And what do we have a year later? The Roswell uh incident, right? And this entire this entire thing is essentially sparked by ritual workings in the occult world, right? And so we have these very, very direct connections between what we know as a gray alien, this, you know, this uh quintessential prototypic sort of view of what an alien looks like. We all have that image in our mind, the big black almond eyes, the, you know, the triangle-shaped head, whatever it is. This is coming from the occult workings of of these people, right? So it couldn't be more demonic, right? This is, you know, this is what that's where I'm going with it. It's just, it's it's insane to really look at it any other way, you know?

SPEAKER_02: 37:16

Yeah. And you go back even further than that, that there's the the Darwinian evolution stuff is being laid hold of by occult practitioners. And um I forgot his name. There was a gentleman who um was connecting it with a secret society in um Ontario, so Canada, and before he was a Christian, became a Christian later, in which these beings are telling people that the next deception that they're going to bring is that there's life on other planets and they're coming to to do this under the the legislated organized deception that starts with evolution. And because the the argument for the physicality of these things is undergirded under the idea of evolutionary process. And if we accept evolution as a worldview, and and you know, believe it or not, evolution is is a religious worldview. It it's that that's what it that's what it does. And for those of you who don't know, evolution has been absolutely shaken to the core in the last 20 years with the the access of DNA and the molecular structure of the cell. Prior to that, it was all based on what's called morphology. One thing looked like something else. And so the assumption was one thing was derived from something else. The human finger bones look like the same bones of a bat, look like the same bones of a whale. And so, therefore, morphologically, we've got these trees, these evolutionary trees. Anyone who's read a science book in high school will see these trees of what they they tout as evolution. But in the discovery of DNA and genetic and getting inside the cell, they actually realize sorry, there's no connection at all. They just look similar, but when you get down on a micro level, there's no similarity at all. So evolution has been being abandoned as far as macroevolution, evolution on a large scale, microevolution, adaptation, it's a thing, it exists, but macroevolution on a grand scale is being abandoned in swaths. That entire thing leads to well, if we're evolved and we're here by millions of years in evolutionary process, then it logically follows if the earth is or if the universe is 13 billion years old or whatever, whatever the the accepted idea is, there must be other civilizations that are more advanced than ours. And that sets the stage for this this alien deception, this, this, um, this coming thing. And Werner von Braun, one of the the rocket scientists in the 40s and 50s, is is classically stated for telling one of his aides, and she's still alive, so she testifies to this, that the last deception, the the last thing coming is going to be aliens. First, it's going to be comets and meteors and these things that are problems, which we're seeing right now. And then the last deception is going to be this deception of alien life. And, you know, what's substantial and what's not, the the evidence for these things being physical is there is paltry and lacking until we have something that we can test. Joe Jordan, in doing his uh research with uh abductees, he knows how to determine whether or not a memory is real or implanted. And in interviewing abductees, there are things that are missing from their recollection that a trained investigator, when asking questions, can determine whether or not this is a real memory or an implanted memory. And if you guys like implanted memories are a thing. People can, your your mind can be manipulated. One of the problems with regression therapy and hypnotherapy is that you're so open to suggestion that things get implanted into your mind and you recall them as real when in fact they're not real at all. Right. And so there's a lot of smoke and mirrors. And so at the end of the day, the substance of it is that it's a demonic deception, it's part of the end times scenario. We we have to deal with it. We've we've got to come to a biblical worldview concerning it. And until we have more data, what we know for sure is that when these things talk to people, it's always anti-Christian. The Irantian text, which is like 5,000 pages of automatic writing, which is a occult practice, these beings, you you look at the Irantian text, it is full-blown anti-Christian. We are the I am, we are your creators, we are this, that, and the next. Why do these things uh why are they accepting of every other religion, but they got problems with Christianity? Like, like all the indicators are there.

SPEAKER_01: 42:33

Yeah. Yeah, there's a there's a the glorification of self that's always promoted, the deification of self. It's it works hand in hand with the new age. When we were in the new age, we believed we were star seeds that were planted here in human bodies that one day, you know, um our our brethren from the other planet that we're actually from is are gonna come and meet with us and say, Hey, thanks. You did great on your mission here on Earth. Well done. You know, and like this is this is uh these ideas are just are are you know throughout the the New Age um ideology. Um and also, you know, uh more threatening I would say is this idea that, you know, um we are not, yeah, like you were saying, that there is this sort of co-opting of Christianity. There's this co-opting of the savior of of Jesus himself, that Jesus himself is an alien. These these kinds of things are actually talked about so often. He's a Venusian, he's from Venus, you know, all of these things. And so when you talk about the ET deception and and these these off-planet sort of these these ideas that have infected um um a lot of the mindset of people who are just trying to be spiritual people, um, it's not just preventing them from from gaining access to truth through Christ Jesus. It's actually pushing them further away from it completely by presenting an alternative. Yeah. It's impregnating them with this, exactly, with a we could even call it a screen ideology in a lot of ways, because there's a screen memory syndrome or the false memory syndrome that you were talking about. But what's happening here is it's like a it's like an replacement ideology that's actually completely preventing them from finding the gospel. That's right.

SPEAKER_02: 44:14

Um, I think Tom Warner got his book, Exovaticana, and uh and some other stuff. He's done some great um uh documentation of even the Roman Catholic Church's um upper echelons in their seminaries are having conversations about uh uh what to do if when these things, not if they reveal themselves, but when they reveal themselves, and prepping the planet for their their idea is the the theological uh underpinning is that actual beings from another planetary system haven't been affected by the sin of Adam. And so because they haven't been affected by the sin of Adam, they've got a uh a better line on the gospel than we do. And so when these spirit brothers, interplanetary brothers, reveal themselves, we need to look to them for redefinition concerning the gospel. Man, and that that right there is is is absolutely revealing when it comes to what the motive and what's what's happening in the entire thing, what what the motive is. If you think of one of one of the other concerns that they've had about disclosure, and for those who who don't know, disclosure is the idea that there's a coming moment in the future where the governments of the world are going to come out and say, hey, we're not alone. One of the problems with disclosure, you mentioned earlier, one of the reasons why, well, why don't they disclose? And and it was the what they present as technology, assuming that there's any physicality to these things, or you know, it's not a a hybrid deception of actual human ingenuity that's found some things being masked as alien, which there's a lot of data behind that as well. Project Breambeam, all these other things. Um that uh uh where was it going? Oh um, I forgot. We're gonna have to edit that. Where where were we?

SPEAKER_01: 46:26

We okay it's such an intense uh topic, right?

SPEAKER_02: 46:30

A lot of a lot of streams.

SPEAKER_01: 46:32

Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_02: 46:35

When these things reveal themselves, that there's gonna be such an ontological shock to society that religions are gonna crumble. Exactly, that the this thing called ontological shock has to do with information that is such a system shock to our concept and philosophy of what's true, what's real, what's our place in the world, all this other kind of stuff, that it kind of does a control alt delete on our minds and our our psyche to where we completely shut down and the potential for losing our mind at that point. Like you talk to people who've encountered Bigfoot, and they'll tell you that the moment that they see this thing, you know, whatever vision it is that they have or experience it is that they have, the moment that they encounter this thing, that all presuppositions that they've had in life are now challenged. Wait a second, monsters are real, these things are real, like you know, when when you start looking at the Nephilim and the giants in biblical history, you're like, wait a second. Wait, that happened? Yeah, yes. So the ontological shock component comes, and what does that do if something does that, you know, uncovers itself and says, you know, I'm from Zeta Reticulli or, you know, something like that. Immediately evolution is going to be perceived as true, and this world is gonna fracture into two camps, those who believe the Bible and those who do not, immediately. All the other religions of the world except Christianity dovetail completely fine with this. They they're they're you can have Buddhists that believe it, you can have Muslims who believe it, you can have Jehovah's Witnesses and LDS, and and and there's a lot of progressive Christians who are drifting in this direction also, but those who believe the Bible and the book of Revelation and Genesis and all the stuff that know the Bible's the the actual word of God, divine revelation, they're immediately going to be challenged. And the the world's gonna divide into these two camps, which completely sets up for the potential of the Revelation 13 um dichotomy of those who will receive the mark of the beast and those who will not receive the mark of the beast. Think with AI and the transhumanism thing, how that dovetails with the technological advancements that these things could offer us if if they showed themselves, like this kind of the all these streams coalesce into this coming, this coming point in the future that's almost this event horizon that once we hit that thing, there is no going back and everything changes.

SPEAKER_01: 49:31

That's interesting. Is there any chance that the mark could be like that intellectual decision of uh I'm going with this camp? Um obviously, you know, I would I would argue that the mark is a mark, um, you know, or it's you know, brain implant, whatever you want to say, a physical thing, physical change that the person elects to take upon their body, obviously. We'll go there. But to go even deeper, you know, perhaps that's precipitated by this intellectual decision to follow this one camp, this one viewpoint.

SPEAKER_02: 50:01

It does, actually. So Revelation 13 says that it the the mark is connected to worship. There you go. And so there is an absolutely religious component and there is a an active, no, I am, I am making an internal decision mentally, you know, call it spiritual, as worship is is inherently a spiritual action and talks about, you know, allegiance to to the unseen realm. I am making a spiritual decision to identify, align with, be faithful to give my devotion to this thing that has a physical component to it, because you're not going to be able to buy or sell without it. And so there has to be a physical component, but it's predicated on a spiritual decision prior. And so both things are true. It is a first a shift in mentality and allegiance that then manifests itself in a physical action of the reception of whatever this physical thing is. And it's the reason why when people were like, oh, COVID is the mark of the beast. No, it's not. COVID was a full-blown uh uh like when people receive the mark of the beast, they're gonna know it's about worship. They will be deceived in the substance of the one that they're worshiping, but they're not gonna be deceived in understanding, no, you're picking to worship this thing.

SPEAKER_01: 51:24

There will be great worldly benefits that come with it too. I think we need to remember that, you know. So when the time comes, you your discernment better be sharp. Yeah. And it's the start with a thought, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 51:37

The conversation on the AI and the the transhumanism thing dovetails into all of that with the image in Revelation 13, and then the the posturing of humans to not be comfortable in their own skin. And it's the I was amazed listening to the Peter Thiel uh snippets of the Peter Thiel conversation in a podcast he did last month where where he contends actually the the transgenderism thing, the entire thing doesn't go far enough. And he's supposed to be a conservative Christian, he's not.

SPEAKER_01: 52:14

He's like it's a gateway. It's a gateway for something to enter into society, right? Right.

SPEAKER_02: 52:19

And the point of the entire the entire conversation behind transgenderism actually has nothing to do with sexuality, but everything to do with you don't feel comfortable in your skin. And it's the reason why you have people identifying as animals, it's the reason why you have people identifying as as all this this stuff across the board that that we're supposed to recognize it's not true. Why? It if I'm uncomfortable in my skin and something presents itself and says, Hey, check it out. I got an upgrade for you. Here's the solution. I'm I'm okay with abandoning my physicality for it. Totally. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 52:58

Why not keep going?

SPEAKER_02: 52:59

Yeah, it's it it is uh, you know, the proverbial frog in in the water pot that gets hotter and hotter and hotter and doesn't know that it's actually being boiled. You've become so acclimated to the stuff that's happening in society that the switch from humanity to non-humanity in in physicality is easy. It's you know, for those of you who are grooming, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 53:24

I mean 100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 53:26

100%. Um, I I think of uh I know I've got some people listening that that are old school RPG players. This is this is stupid shadow run, bro. Like old school stuff, you street samurai. I got you know, it's uh uh uh blade runner, like yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_01: 53:44

Absolutely, absolutely get the upgrades, baby. Yep. Yeah, because there's no, you know, there's no there's no divine spark anyway, right? Or the divine spark is not what you thought it was, it's certainly not what the Christians are saying. So go ahead and augment your body, your mind, your your heart, everything. Augment it all because it doesn't matter, right? There's nothing beyond this life, maybe. There's no after, you know, this this kind of stuff. It's like when you're when you're severing people from you know, from um any type of of spiritual uh truth, you know, the the they are going to be now or anchored into the physical, into the natural, into what can I do with my body, my mind, my physicality that will make me feel better about being here, you know, and this next technological solution is gonna be the one that they go for, of course, you know, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_02: 54:32

And follow that to its logical conclusion. Like on a hot mic, Putin and Xi Jinping were caught talking about how to extend life so that the average human lifespan goes above 70. And they're, I mean, dude, these are two of the greatest leaders of our world powers, China and Russia, caught on a hot mic having a conversation about something that you only read in science books, science, science fiction books. They're literally having conversations about how to live forever, how to extend the physicality of the human experience, and and think about the robotics that are happening and the the neural link that's happening, where where the meshing, in meshing, and the human the human brain is essentially a biological computer. That's it. So the moment that we we get some sort of technology that can connect the the physical science and and physical computers that we have with the biological computer of our brain, all bets are off. All you've got to do is have a human brain, and then you can interface with an entirely robotic body. It's called a cyber org.

SPEAKER_01: 55:50

Yeah, absolutely. So all of that devotation. It's interesting that yeah, that Putin would would call out against all like, you know, global Satanists and stuff like that that we heard about as well. I don't know if that actually happened, but obviously he's not on the adrenochrome train, you know, because he would be talking to uh, you know, the the the Chinese leader about that and not technological advancement that would extend life, right? So it's like it's interesting. It kind of shows his cards a little bit too that he'd be talking about that and not adrenochrome and these kinds of things, you know?

SPEAKER_02: 56:20

Yeah, and that so it it's so the in the real interesting part is that Peter Thiel is couching this um scientific revolution, this addition of uh technology to the human body in a Christian language where he he's insinuating that's actually how we live forever. So so then, therefore, technology and the union of the human with technology is how we gain eternal life. The the dude's teaching on the Antichrist in Silicon Valley and and bringing into Silicon Valley Christian language and uh ideas, not meaning the same thing that we mean by it, by the way, into Silicon Valley and the whole thing, the the ideology, the socio, socio, um, so socio demographic, whatever, uh, whatever language you want to use for it, the entire zeitgeist of Silicon Valley is shifting to this Christian language, wed with technology, conservative, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it it's it's all happening underneath our noses as Christians.

SPEAKER_01: 57:39

Yeah. Yeah. I think the Marxist takeover is kind of fall failing, you know, in a lot of ways. And so I, you know, it's just funny to think about Marx coming up with all of these ideas around how to take down capitalism. And he never thought once that it would be the precursor now to this sort of transhumanist agenda that it would be used in in basically in conjunction with that, that that would be an extrapolation of Marxist ideals. It's just crazy, man. So, but I do see the veil lifting on those, on that Marxist takeover beautifully, you know, that that woke thing has kind of fallen apart. Go woke, go broke. This is great stuff to be, you know, to be circulating. However, they're kind of just like, all right, let's throw out that agenda and let's go with the transhumanism thing and just see how that's a good thing. That's exactly right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 58:18

So what what's happening is you've you've got this overcorrective swing where people are so responding to the negativity of this, they swing this way, but then they overcorrect. And then you realize, holy smokes, they've been corralling us in that direction the whole time. The same globalist agenda that's been behind both political parties is still behind both political parties pushing in the direction that we're they're we're presently experiencing. The the funding of AI, the the transitioning to digital currency, all of that pipelines directly into Revelation chapter 13. All of it.

SPEAKER_01: 58:56

Wow. All thanks to mass media. Turn off your news, people. Yep. Man. So I wanted to ask you. Um, interestingly, you know, I'd been uh, you know, kind of perusing this topic a lot lately because of the stuff we've been talking about. But I remember back in I think the early 2000s, there was a call on Art Bell Coast to Coast Dam, this frantic man calls in, and it's a really, really iconic, like maybe two-minute uh clip of this man talking. But allegedly this man had escaped from Area 51. He's talking about who these ETs actually are. Um he's totally frantic, totally scared. He's being chased, is what he says. You know, he's being, he's being stalked basically by by agents uh because of what he knows. He's not supposed to be calling anyone, let alone a huge uh radio show. So he's he's dropping all this knowledge, but what's he what he's saying is these things are not what we think they are. They are interdimensional. And this was one of the first times that that was ever interjected into the conversation that these are interdimensional because we've always sort of looked at them as flesh and blood, you know, because it's just easy to process. But I wanted to ask you, uh, biblically interdimensional, what is that? I mean, it does it have to do with the physical versus the spiritual? Are we talking about multiple physical worlds here, um, you know, that we that are able, you know, we're able to somehow uh traverse? Uh what are we getting into here?

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:17

Great, great question. So the the the biblical idea is that creation is not um it's not uh it's not distinct from itself. And so we exist in the same spot at the same time with the spiritual components. We we know based on on present technologies and discoveries that there's at least 12 dimensions, if not more. And we we we experience three regularly and operate in four semi-regularly, um, and and we know based on on math and other stuff that there are more. The question is, what is the nature of the existence of those things in those realms? I think if we transition into the are there are other realms with physicality to them, it it's not physicality, even if it's substance, if that makes sense. So Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15 that there is a spiritual body and there is a natural body, and he he is contrasting that which is physical in nature versus that which is non-physical in nature. And is there a substance that non-physical has? The answer is yes. That is, we don't know, but the nature of that existence is different than our existence. We do know that angels take on physical form. We do know that um that the devil has the ability to appear as an angel of light. We do know that there is a manipulation of matter that happens with the um the uh stage magicians, or not stage magicians, but the court musicians of Pharaoh. They have the ability to to manipulate existing matter. So, so all of these things are there, okay. What then is the nature of these beings? They're they're going to be spiritual in the sense that they're not of the same created embodiment that we are. Whatever the nature of that is, we it's all speculation. Unsure. Is it going to be physicality on it on in enough another plane? I I I hesitate to use that idea because then you you begin to um you begin to drift into the multiverse theory, which Silicon Valley is is absolutely promoting with the idea of quantum chips and stuff. People don't know. The reason why they call them quantum chips is because essentially the processing of these chips disappears from observational um ability of the human. We we give it a problem, it kind of disappears, it comes back with a solution. And the only thing that we can think of is it went to another plane to be able to do this. This this is Silicon Valley, guys. This is these are conversations that are happening at Stanford, conversations that like like this multiverse thing. If if if you're paying attention, you realize pop culture has been grooming this for decades. We we are the the entire reason for the what we call front loading or the um the social uh terraforming of the people through pop culture is so that when they start having these conversations about interdimensionality, it's not strange and shocking to us. Yeah. So right now, you if you if you uh do a poll on Americans, more people believe in aliens than they believe in God. So so it it's it's largely accepted by the American populace. Okay, what then are these things? Well, you you've got the the conversation shifted in in the 2000s. Um Chris Bledsoe comes out, has his stuff. Initially, he he hits the the ufology realm and he's rejected by the large swath of ufology because he's contending that these things are interdimensional, spiritual in nature, and not physical in nature. And so all of those out there who believe that these things are from another planet reject him. Well, then he's also rejected by the church because he's he's a Pentecostal deacon in in North Carolina, where they're telling him these things are demonic, which they weren't wrong. Um, but he he's being manipulated by these spirits and these other things. And now in the last 10 years, the conversation has opened up to they're not interplanetary, they're interdimensional, which the Bible allows for interdimensional beings. We call them angels, and I was having this conversation last night. The term angel is a bit of a misnomer, it's not a type of being, it's a functional role. It means messenger, Malach in Hebrew and Angolus in Greek. Like a classification. Well, it's a job title. Got it. Angel is a job title. So you can have several different types of beings in that job title. I I'm a messenger. I, you know, Jesus is given the title messenger at some point. You you've got um archangels, which are ruling angels, are you know, Gabriel is given the title angel, and then you've got other kinds of beings that pop up at like the tomb and stuff that are given the title angel that seem to have a physicality. So, so that the term angel is is uh it is a pop culture use for anything that's that's in the spirit realm, but it really lacks as far as as far as effectively communicating what's really happening. Okay. Yeah. Right. You got folks that are messing around with ayahuasca, you know, you and your wife had messed with that stuff, and they're encountering these these beings in these other realms, the the machine elves and the the the insectoids and the reptilian, all this weird stuff, right? Um, but it's all spiritual. It's not physical. The conversation is shifted, and now what's what we're being told is that the the consensus is that these things are spiritual in nature, they're not they're not the same as us, they their essence of existence is found on a different realm. So whether that means that they're the the substance of their nature is is at a higher frequency or or a denser component that that our eyes just can't see because our lot our eyes only perceive uh a very narrow um spectrum on on the light uh uh on the the light spectrum. Um the all of these conversations are being had. The consensus now is that these things are the ancient beings that have always been here for forever. And uh Tom DeLong, uh what's this? He's the front man for what was it, Green Day or whatever? Yeah, blink 182, that's it. Um not my genre, I'm sure it was yours. It was mine. Yeah. So he he's heading up the the um this uh interplanetary this uh ufology specialty uh institute and all these things, and and he's coming out saying, as he's examined it, the answer to what these things are lies in the occult. It doesn't lie in in looking to the stars. Uh oh, it's to the stars academy, that's what it's called. Um it it it doesn't lie so much in trying to figure out whether they're on Mars or whether they're on the moon, it lies in our ancient history and the fact that they've been here the whole time.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:54

Yeah. And that their access through occult means. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:07:59

Yeah, which is exactly what we've been talking about. That's a whole rabbit hole down there. Uh probably one of the more compelling pieces of information is uh Jacques Vallée, where he says, uh he says that these things are liars, and he's not a Christian. Yeah, shout out, he's not he's not a Christian. Matter of fact, he's here in the Bay Area, I believe. I think he's uh in Berkeley or something, but part of the secret college. He says these things are liars. Well, why? Because they would give us information, these beings would give us information, and then we go and examine the information that they gave us and find out that it's not true. You know, oh, we're on the backside of the moon. Okay, well, we've been to the moon. Guess what? They're not there. Uh okay, well, we're from Mars. Okay, well, now we got eyes on Mars, and you're not there. Oh, oh, and and the nature of their presentation to us changes, and it almost seems like it's one step ahead of our of our technological advancements. Like they're they're always just one or two steps ahead of us. So in the 1800s, it was flying airships. In the in, you know, earlier than that, it was flying carpets. Earlier than that, it was it was um wagons, you know, in in the 1800s, drawn wagons, like flying through the air. And and then now it's spaceships. Now it's metal. Now it's it's you know, this, that, and the next. And so they they were, you know, the foo fighters of World War II. Foo fighters are exactly these objects that are in the sky with World of War II fighter pilots. And they're like, what are those?

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:39

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 1:09:40

They're not ours.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:42

There are aspects of, you know, there are there are known things within our paradigm that they'll mimic and and uh display as in order for us to uh create a narrative around them because if they're too outlandish, if they're too paranormal, if you will. We won't accept them. We won't accept them. We'll just we'll think of it. We may not even see it. There's there's there's there's studies out there too that, you know, there's like if if you're not if you haven't adjusted to something completely in your paradigm, sometimes it won't even manifest physically. Like these are these are quantum mechanics that people are looking into as well. So it's like, you know, they gotta be careful to make sure that they're gonna startle us enough and get our g grab our attention enough to where we'll report it. And then it's becoming this sort of circulated aspect of our paradigm, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:26

Yeah. I I think it was uh Gillis who was talking about worship.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:29

They want worship, they want attention, you know?

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:31

100%. Where he one of the the things that he realizes in conversations with those who are in the ufology realm behind closed doors, they're setting up, they're setting up altars to these things. Yeah. And these things are telling, telling them we want worship. And he's like, Oh my gosh, this is spiritual in nature. And and they they will present themselves as different things in order to get a response from us and and dovetail with an engagement on our behalf, um, which the whole thing means that it's all smoke and mirrors. And uh, I think it was um reasons to believe, uh, I forgot the the main researcher, and he's got like nine different things that he's he's uh Hugh Ross, he's an astrophysicist, he's a Christian, nine different things that he's examined concerning these things, even going to crash sites that that display there's something happening there, but the nature of what's happening there is spiritual, it's not physical. And so anything his contention is anything that that seems physical is a deception, and that anything that that we recover physicality from is is therefore then going to be a joint effort between humans in actual technology and the spirit realm in in their deception that forwards a a end times scenario um that that comes to this false messiah revelation thing. You know, imagine something pops up and uncovers itself and says, Hey, I'm this, and everybody goes evolution. Well, what does that do? That that completely leads you into an antichrist figure, completely leads you into, you know, when you look at um movies like Independence Day, the moment that you figure out you're not alone in the universe, all of humanity unites. It's not African, it's not white, it's not American, it's not like race, creed, nationality, all that stuff goes away. It's it's humans versus them. That dynamic creates a unity on our behalf that is exactly what's needed in order to bring forth the system of the beast. And add to that this these things that are still promoting the we're coming from other planets um storyline. They're they're telling people that there's a galactic federation and there's 15 different species, and we're on the cusp of of an evolution moment and and and and and and and all this stuff. And so so everything is is being perfectly aligned for a great spiritual deception that Paul talks about when he says there there's a great deception that's coming. And the nature of that deception is what do you love? So if you love God and your allegiance is to him, he will make sure that the great deception does not lay hold of you. But if you do not love God and you're you've got spoilers on the inside, this thing's gonna appeal to something inside of you that you're gonna go, yeah, that's right, that's true. And you will give yourself over to this deception because, according to Paul's language, you refused to receive a love for the truth.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:53

Right. Right. Yeah, that it makes me think of, you know, when you mentioned setting up an altar to these things, you know, CERN, you know, whatever you have these sort of like, you know, these these conspiracies around CERN. Uh, if this thing is a is a is a portal, it's what they're trying to make it as, right? That's an altar right there. That an altar is nothing but a portal. It really is when you get down to it, right? It's a counterfeit tabernacle, is essentially what they've set up there, a way to meet with these entities that are spiritual in nature, you know. Um that's that's what it is right there. And that's some dark stuff right there, because you're right, it moves the it moves the um the the awareness of of humanity away from God. Because now all of a sudden, you know, what what what have all these religions been talking about? If there's if there's eth in the in the sky and ancient aliens has been on for uh two decades telling me that these people, these, these, these ETs were around in ancient cultures, acting like gods, then who's God, right? If it's just it it confuses the whole, the whole the whole picture of who who our Lord is, who our who the one true God is, right? It's very, very slippery slope.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:58

Yeah, and uh I I think there's plenty of evidence when you examine it biblically that the these, like, especially when it comes to to Bledsoe, the the entity that revealed itself to him identifies herself as Haythor, and that she is the divine feminine and gonna reveal herself more fully as uh as time progresses. And you realize, oh my gosh, these are the same beings that have been engaging humanity for forever.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:24

And Isis is Char and Anna, it's that's right, Queen of Heaven. We talked about that before. Yeah, that principality, ugly. That's right.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:31

Bay Baal, Baal is Zeus, and Zeus is Jupiter, or whatever things Jupiter, um, and and and he is Thor, and he is the the sky god with this, and then you realize, oh my goodness, that's Ephesians chapter two, he's the prince of the power of the air.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:50

There you go.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:51

Why then does the worshipers of Baal they expect fire to fall down in in first uh second Kings 18 with Elijah, they expect their God to answer by fire, but Elijah's the superior kingdom displaces the inferior kingdom. Nope, you're always gonna do his thing. Your God can't produce. You expect him to produce, but now he can't in the presence of the true God. That that entire dynamic is what's coming.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:15

Um let's get to that in a sec. You were saying last night too that Mount Hermon was called the Mountain of L, too. Yeah, that's right. And El was the Canaanite thunder god, I think, something like that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:29

El was the so El was the chief deity of the Canaanites, and he is overthrown by his son Baal. There you go. It's the yeah, it's the precursor storyline to uh overthrowing the titans.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:43

Kronos, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:45

That's right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:45

Yep, that's right.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:46

And and that is the that is the that's the narrative that these demonic beings put forth for the usurping of um so the the angels come down on Hermon, they do their thing, those ones are thrown in Tartarus, which is where where Kronos is supposed to be, okay, from what I understand. And now you have to have a narrative as to why those gods are no longer present, and we've got a new set of gods that come from the the bay the uh the Tower of Babel moment, according to uh Genesis 11 in Deuteronomy 32. You've got a new set of gods. Well, who is this new set of gods? Satan takes on the personage of Zeus, and in their story, Zeus overthrows El. El is the chief god of the Canaanite pantheon, and his mountain home, like Zion is for Yahweh, like like all the uh uh Baal Baal Bael her mountain Baal Zephyr is another one from another another grouping.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:46

Just inversions.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:48

That's right. He usurps El, and and now you've got this overlapping of uh L is is a generic name for God. It's also one of the titles for God in the Pentateuch, where you've you've you've got all these streams of data in in the the ancient spirit realm conception that Baal is the overthrower of of El, who who also has overlap with the one true God Yahweh, but is not Yahweh in actuality. So all that stuff is there.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:21

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, these are the the extremely dishonest and and demonic, you know, uh authors of probably every polytheistic religion you can think of. Every single one of them. That's that's that's the crux of it all right there, you know, to take us, take our attention and worship away from the one true God. It's wild, man. Wild. Wildly effective, too, I might add. Let's throw that that question, that uh, that comment up.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:47

Yeah. So Jason, uh, what up, Jay? Uh he said reminds the entity that got caught glitching, manifestation of the item wasn't accurate and immediately changed to a spooky creature trying to bring fear. Yeah, so the the the research data was that this thing presented itself as one thing, didn't get the response that it wanted. And it was there was almost like a glitch in the matrix as far as the the data testimony goes from the the researchers who were putting together the testimonials of what had happened. And and to be fair, uh when when you're researching events that are stories, it's called circumstantial data or circumstantial evidence. And so you have to be able to trust the person that's giving you the information. You have to be able to question whether or not the information in perception has been tampered with or skewed. And so all of that is there. So God, you know, uh again, as we put on the end of the show, every single time you need to have discernment, you need to find Jesus, you need to read the Bible, you need to be in prayer, you need to be involved in local church, you need to be submitted to local church leadership and those things, which are the structure that God has placed in the earth to help protect you and to do what it is that He wants that God wants to do. You must give yourself to all of that. That's how we have discernment. Okay. So discern, do your own research, talk to God, all that stuff. But this, this, this data point came out in this story where this person engaged this, the the entity appeared and it had a particular presentation. That presentation didn't work. And it was there was almost a a glitch in the matrix. Like uh, if you were watching the matrix and you the movie The Matrix and you could tell when the computer program shifted because it it like this, they would say like the eye shifts or or something strange like that. This glitch happens and then it presented itself as something different, almost as if it was searching presentations that it could give to the person it was trying to engage to try to get an interaction from them.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:53

Right. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. And then that speaks to the this this gosh, interfacing, I guess, with um ideas that you wouldn't you might have in in a in a in a technological uh you know, uh from a technological perspective, which is glitching, right? So it's like, what is their technology being used here? And furthermore, like you said earlier, humans are now utilizing technology to interact with this stuff, right? So it's like it's almost like um, you know, we can go back to like the real society with the Nazis, is like we, these, these, some of these legends are, you know, talking about them trying to contact, you know, these entities through occult means. Well, they started to use technology to do that as well. That's kind of what we're doing now, you know? So it's interesting that you would have this glitching effect happening, you know, when you're actually having a paranormal encounter, because it's like, what type of technology is being used here, if any, but there could be. And so it's sort of like opening a new realm of questioning around, okay, is is now is technology being used here? Is this how it's been throughout time? I it's it's it's really hard to say, you know, but it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:54

Yeah, crazy. All right, we got uh another question. You want to throw that one out? How does a Christian deal with these things as they become more common in life? That's uh a great question. And uh the reason why is because things are becoming more supernatural and they're not becoming less supernatural. The veil is thinning, and it's one of the reasons why you've got the the US Congress having uh conversations like they are. Russia's got a an investigation program into this, China does, um, Japan just opened one. Japan's Congress just had a meeting on it. Um, the uh the French have one, the Italians have one, the British have like all all of the the major governments of the world are are researching into this stuff and and and so the the shift in the global um cultural concept, what we call the Zeitgeist, the spirit of the age, the the cultural shift that's happening is terraforming people to be more open to the supernatural. And so these things are increasing. You've got Demian Lovato channeling them on video, these things are popping up out there. You've got the the drone flap in New Jersey, now you have it happening in in uh in Europe, in Scandinavia, the same kinds of things. All these things are happening all over the place. So it's absolutely increasing. You're gonna have to deal with it. The answer is that in 1 Kings 18, I was asking the Lord about this because Revelation chapter 13 says that the false prophet has the ability to do lying signs and wonders. And lying signs and wonders are a thing. That's the the magicians of Pharaoh were able to copycat the first number of signs that Moses did. And eventually there was an outpacing of the ability of Moses over the the deceivers. And and when we say something is deceptive, that doesn't mean it's not true or real. It means it's not of the truth, the person of truth, Christ, or the kingdom of God, which is truth, and how all truth is defined is the person of Jesus. So so these things are real, meaning something's happening, but they're not true, if that makes sense. Okay. So I'm asking God, I'm like, God, how how do we compete with this? Like, like we believe in raising the dead, we believe and we we've seen these things, seen, you know, a couple weeks ago we had our our healing service, deaf ears are popping open. Like, you know, we we see this stuff regularly where the kingdom of God is going forward. We interviewed Ryan Skuga a number of weeks back, and the the global church is experiencing the supernatural on a regular basis. Okay, well, what do we do with lying signs and wonders? Which which Paul tells us is going to be part of that system, the coming beast system. So I'm asking God this number of years ago, and he takes him to 1 Kings 18, and um, and Elijah versus the the prophets of Baal, and it was more than 450, that was just the prophets of Baal. You also had the the prophets of the Asherah, and so there was a lot of supernatural combat that or spiritual warfare happening there. That's the Queen of Heaven. That's right. He sets up the showdown. And the showdown is when it comes time to produce, the one who produces has the authority, the one who produces. Jesus said this so that you may know the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins, I say you take up your power and walk. Okay. Well, what do you do when when somebody operating by demonic manifestations heals somebody? Like that's happening today. Here's what you do the superior kingdom renders ineffective the inferior kingdom. So what happens on the top of Mount Carmel with the prophets of Baal versus Elijah? Elijah challenges them. Okay, you produce, you call on your God, I'm gonna call on my God, and the God who answers by fire, he is God. They agree. Listen, they don't agree unless they've seen him do that before. Remember, Baal is the storm god. Answering by fire is two different, too, it covers the gamut from actual fire to lightning bolts, which is considered fire. That's what they expected their God to answer by. Revelation 13 says that the false prophet has this power to call down fire from heaven. They expected their God to answer by fire. Job chapter 1 and 2. Fire from heaven falls and consumes Job's kids. God told the devil he was allowed to do that. So the devil has this ability. They're cutting themselves, they're calling on their God, he's not answering. Elijah begins to mock them. Maybe your God's in the bathroom. Maybe you need to call louder, maybe he's on a trip. It's it's very comedic. Maybe he's he challenges them to call on your God. Is my audio coming through? They are unable to call on their God. They are expecting their God to answer so much that when they're unable to get an answer, they begin to cut themselves. And and for anyone who knows occultic stuff, this is an appeal to empower the spirit that they're calling on by blood offering, blood in the spirit realm's currency. So they are they are now getting more earnest in their attempt to call on Baal. He doesn't answer. Elijah steps up, says, All right, you've had your chance, you can't produce. Yahweh, so that they may know that this wasn't my idea, that you sent me to do this, and that you were turning the hearts of the people back to you. God answers by fire. Boom, consumes the altar. What's the math? When you are on assignment, an assignment comes to the local church, assignment comes according to the voice of the Lord. Those are the two means by which you find assignment. Assignment happens in and through the local church with the people of God, happens according to the direction of the throne of God, which is the expression of his voice. When you are on assignment, if you are where you're supposed to be, doing what you're supposed to be doing, engaging who you're all that stuff is there, you have the guarantee of heavenly backing. You represent the greater kingdom. Where do we see this? Joshua chapter five or six. Joshua comes into Jericho. This is, by the way, the giant clans. So these are these are people who are worshiping these same kind of entities, the dead Rephaim spirits. They are the the entire swath of the promised land is shot through with the Amorite worship, which is all the Canaanitic worship of the dead Rephaim, okay? The dead Nephilim. Um he comes in, they're gonna take Jericho. He sees a dude standing there with his sword drawn, and he's like, um, you for them or you for us? And the answer is, I did not come to take sides, I came to take over. I am the captain of the armies of heaven. That's what he says. I am the captain of the Saba of the Lord of angel armies. Then he says, Take off your shoes, the ground that you are standing on is holy, which is a direct reference to Exodus 3, where Moses encounters the presence of Yahweh in the burning bush. This is a manifestation of the preincarnate Jesus. He is there at every battle that you are assigned to before you get there. If that's your mode of operating, you can bank on superior kingdom being present and the inferior kingdom being rendered ineffective. That may mean that they've got no options at all. It may mean that you need to discern how to strike the parameters of the showdown. You can conceive of an instance where there's a dead person on the ground, somebody else who claims to have power and some of these spiritual things is like, all right, I'm going to raise them. You're present. You go, okay, God, make it so that they can't. They try to raise it, it doesn't work. You say, okay, you're cute, my turn. And you put hands on the dead and they raise. What does that do? It demonstrates the superiority of your kingdom over the kingdom that they're appealing to. That dynamic is going to become absolutely necessary as we get closer to Jesus' return.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:21

Amen. Amen. Yeah, it's just the identifying of your power source. Where are you plugged into? You know what? Who who to whom do you who do who do whom do you serve? Right? And and those demonstration moments are are you're right. I think that those are going to become uh much more prevalent. Yeah. Beautiful, brother. Closing thoughts?

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:41

Um, so guys, look, don't don't invest anything into um rabbit holes on this. Keep your focus on Christ. Keep stay out of the conspiracy theory rabbit holes. You know, stay connected to the local church, stay focused on Jesus. The point is that you love him and be loved by him, knowing him, making him known, and and and doing the work of the church in the local expression. That that's how you stay connected. That that covering dynamic established by covenant that is happening in the local, local earth, which which ultimately starts with Jesus Himself. What Jesus said, he said, I will build my church in the gates of hell and not prevail against her. Okay. If you're on task doing what he wants you to do, then you are building his church. It's going to happen at the context of the gates of hell. You're not going to get away from that. Everything is going to be spiritual warfare. Ultimately, everything is spiritual. Stay on focus, stay focused on Jesus and trust that when whenever something starts to happen and these things will increase, that if your connection to the local body and your connection to him, primarily him, is solid, you're not going to be deceived and you're going to be where you're supposed to be doing what you're supposed to be doing. Stay, keep your eyes on Christ. Don't get caught by the ooh shiny and the glitz and the glamour and the weird nonsense. Things, listen, things are only going to get weirder. They're only going to get weirder. Read the book of Revelation. They're only going to get more supernatural. They're only going to get weirder. Stay connected.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:29

Amen. Amen. Thank you for that. Yeah. And guys, thank you again for listening in, watching. The eyes and the ears on this program are huge for us. Um, like, subscribe, comment, review. Pass it on. Pass on this podcast to a uh, you know, the Christian brethren that you know that hasn't heard it yet, anyone in the new age, anyone who's seeking spirituality, deeper forms of truth, this is the person that needs this podcast. So please pass it on physically, give it to them as a text, whatever it may be, Lord, remember, whatever it may be, like pass it on to them and help them, help them, you know, hear, hear what we're talking about here, because uh that's that's why we're doing this. We want to help people with this. So thank you guys again. Uh we're just really happy to be able to do this and get and seriously, Jesse, thank you for the wisdom here. Like, you know, as a glory to God. Yeah, absolutely. As a as a as a paranormal enthusiast, uh pretty much lifelong, you know, as soon as I started to, you know, be able to look into this stuff, I've been looking into it. So it's nice to have um, you know, some some um an air of truth uh be you know, be it can be it being conveyed through an through a through a through a voice of truth. So I appreciate that a lot, man. So thank you. And thank you for everyone. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:37

And for everyone else, like we're we're thinking about uh doing some some um uh behind the wall stuff, meaning, you know, for those that that we can vet and allow into um some conversations that are happening offline, not not to the public, uh some Bible studies and some other stuff. Um we're thinking about that. If that's something that then it just interests you, reach out to us, Facebook, Instagram, uh, or YouTube. And uh, you know, if if there's enough interest, that's certainly something that we can uh that we can make happen.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:08

Amen. Amen. Yeah. The Nephilim stuff, man, the Mount Hermon stuff. Let's get into it. But yeah, we want to do that in with the right audience. So thank you guys so much for listening to this. And we're gonna be moving into that realm as well. So we'll let you guys know some details about that coming up here. Right on, brother. Blood and oil out. Thank you guys. Talk to you soon. Later.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:30

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