Political Islam | Discerning Sharia's Trend in the West

What if the global order that kept the seas open and the dollar strong is the same order that must weaken for prophecy to unfold? We dig into the petrodollar’s origins, why America’s role as world policeman must eventually fade, and how this correlates to an Islamic invasion built around Sharia—more than a religion, a system. From “house of war” vs “house of peace” to the logic of taqiyya and the many faces of jihad, we connect headlines to history without losing sight of people Jesus loves.

We field hard questions on Sunni and Shia, the authority of the hadith, and expectations around the Mahdi and Isa. The parallels with biblical categories are jarring: a unifying leader, a global religious impulse, and language at the UN that sounds like covenant-making. But our aim isn’t to sensationalize. It’s to anchor hope. We explain why Islam doesn’t fit the “Judeo‑Christian” frame, how its works-based pillars collide with the gospel of grace, and why food laws and rituals miss the center: a new heart, a new Spirit, and a new allegiance.

The most urgent takeaway lands at home. A faith that costs nothing produces crowds, not disciples. Drawing lessons from the revival in Iran, we talk about why persecution clarifies love, how nominal Christianity withers under pressure, and how to recover the simplicity of following Jesus—deny yourself, pick up your cross, and live by the Spirit. Discernment matters too: not every manifestation is holy, and the Spirit leads with self-control, truth, and obedience. If you’re ready to swap outrage for intercession and fear for fidelity, this conversation will steady your heart for whatever comes next.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Petrodollar, Power, And Prophecy
• 2:10 Setting The Stage And Audience Q&A
• 4:20 New York’s Election And Islam-Socialism Debate
• 9:30 House Of War, Sharia, And Taqiyya
• 15:50 Europe’s Trends And U.S. Communities
• 19:30 Christians, Deception, And Salvation For Muslims
• 23:00 Sunni vs Shia, Hadith, And The Mahdi
• 28:40 Antichrist Parallels And Global Unification
• 33:50 UN, Covenants, And End-Time Patterns
• 40:00 Why Islam Isn’t Judeo‑Christian
• 45:10 Works vs Grace And The Pillars Of Islam
• 50:00 Revival In Iran And Costly Discipleship
• 56:20 Nominal Christianity And True Conversion
• 1:02:30 Persecution, Love, And Endurance
• 1:07:40 Marks, Allegiance, And True Obedience
• 1:12:20 Hadith Highlights And Problem Texts
• 1:18:10 Muhammad, Spirits, And Discernment
• 1:22:40 Kaaba, Allah, And Pre‑Islamic Threads
• 1:26:40 Gospel Confidence And Final Exhortation

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:00

America became essentially the the police officer of of the nation uh of the world where they uh from what I understand, they agreed we will guard waterways with our power in our Navy and our air force and allow um allow freedom of shipping and goods and such, but you have to agree to tie the dollar to the the petro systems. That's why they use the phrase the petrodollar. America's been essentially the the police force of the world. In order for the stuff to rise that the Bible says is is coming, America has to not be that police force. And that happens in one of two ways. America falls and loses its seat as a superpower. Not that the nation collapses, I mean, that could happen. Um, or uh America turns and becomes something that she's presently not. So when it comes to this Islamic takeover, welcome to Blood and Oil. Good to see you everybody. Been a couple weeks uh since our last um our last uh episode. Sorry, we've been sick and some things going on, and and then coming into the holiday season, we've got ministry and just all all the stuff uh along with everybody else. But wanted to make sure that we took some time today to chat. Um, a couple of good uh, or at least a a particular topic we're gonna chat today about Islam and what's coming on the horizon. Um it's uh it's important and um it is uh prescient and the church needs to know how to respond and uh what to prepare for. So uh we are live streaming, as far as I understand, presently. So go ahead and send any any comments or questions that you have uh to the chat and uh we'll go ahead and get started. Um glad to have Terrence back with us. It's been a uh a month or so. He was working and and some other things in his life, and uh we we uh we we value his presence. So Terrence, it's good to see you.

SPEAKER_03: 2:01

Yeah, man, it's great to be back, man. Thank you guys for you know holding the fort down while I was gone and doing great things, but I'm super excited to be back.

SPEAKER_00: 2:09

Yeah. So um the uh I got a text from somebody the other day. They were asking, you know, because of um uh Mandami's election to uh presently right now we have a socialist uh I I believe he's um Indian, so I think he's from India, um, but he's also a Muslim, and he is now the mayor of the the largest, most, yeah, largest, most uh non-governmental, powerful city in the United States of America. So, you know, Washington obviously is the seat of power because of the government, but um, you know, New York is the is that's the that's the wheelhouse for everything. It's all the money and everything else goes there. So we and the interesting part is that you know he didn't win by um by cheating. You know, so like there have been lots of of accusations of cheating with elections recently, you know, the you know, meddling with systems or or inflating numbers or you know, um taking ballots and stuff like that. But but the interesting part is he was elected because the people wanted him. Like this is this is something that they they desired. Um and so he won legitimately, which is actually scary because a a socialist uh uh Muslim and and the truth is he's really not a socialist. He's he he fronts as a socialist, but if he's a true Muslim, he's he is uh undercover as a socialist. Sexual, sexual, yep. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 3:49

So what are your thoughts, Terrence? Well, I'm from New York City and I'm just like you, man. I'm very much um disheartened. It's very disconcerting to see that's you're you're absolutely right. This is by and large what the people wanted. I have some speculation that they don't really understand the um implications and ramifications of what being a socialist means. I think they're so dis they're so tired of what they thought was wrong and injustice that they're swinging to the other far left of the matter. And with that, of course, comes consequences that I don't think they understand. But yeah, man, um it's a bit very disconcerting times. Um again, I love New York. I at one time I never saw myself moving out of New York. Now I'm glad to be out of New York. Um and I and you know, just and I'll stop here because I think this this bears w worth saying. I honestly think, man, New York is under judgment um because of what they're wanting and because of what's actually occurring in real time.

SPEAKER_00: 4:46

Yeah, I think it was uh um Times Square Church. Um uh David Wilkerson had seen a number of judgments, yeah, that came uh Pentecostal through and through, um, good brother, and you know, passed passed away now, but he he saw a number of judgments and he's he was right there in the thick of it, Times Square Church, right in the middle of of all the the stuff. And um, I mean, for for those of the those who don't know, in order for the end times things to come to pass that um that need to come to pass, uh America has to change. So, so one of two things has to happen. Either America has to fall, um, or uh America has to stop being the primary superpower in order for things to happen. Because from the Bretton Woods Agreement post-World War II, America became essentially the the police officer of of the nation uh of the world, where they uh, from what I understand, they agreed we will guard waterways with our power in our Navy and our Air Force and allow um allow freedom of shipping and goods and such, but you have to agree to tie the dollar to the the petro system. So the what that's why they use the phrase the petrol dollar. And so for the last 80 years, America's been essentially the the police force of the world. Well, in order for the stuff to rise that the Bible says is is coming, America has to not be that police force. And that happens in one of two ways. Either America falls and loses its seat as a superpower. Not that the the nation collapses, I mean that could happen, um, or uh America turns and becomes something that she's presently not. So when it comes to this Islamic takeover, that that's part and parcel of of that process. I think the interesting thing is that um uh Muslims are not socialists.

SPEAKER_03: 6:57

Yeah, no, not at all. They're they're against that. Sharia law is not a social law. Uh Sharia law is do it our way or die.

SPEAKER_00: 7:05

Exactly right. Exactly right. And so what we've seen is we've seen this um this rise of social wokeism, and then Islam has taken advantage of it and come in and beneath it for sure 100%. Yeah, yeah. Because that once they get entrenched, goodbye with all your socialism. Good goodbye with all your your wokism, goodbye. And you know, it's one of the reasons why you see some of these protests and you're like, D do they do the homosexual folks who are protesting next to the free Palestine people do they understand? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03: 7:42

This is not new, by the way. Life is like kind of cyclical. This occurred in the late 80s with regards to communism in China. Again, they're always using a so uh a Trojan horse to get the people. See, see what happens is a sil a civilization, and this is just a historical fact. I I love David Wilkinson, and we have his biblical um take on the matter, but I think also we could just look at it like history to see what kind of ebbs and flows. And when a society is crumbling via like um uh when when a society is eroding in s in in in moral ways, what what have what have what what usually occurs is that those in charge of the government does what we're talking about here. Namely, they use these sort of Trojan horse methods to get on the people's side so as to take over in the midst of the people joining in. And of course, the people don't really know what's going on, they don't see the end result, they just see what's now. They see, oh, these people are on our sides, therefore our transgender rights, therefore abortions, etc. etc. But in but those methods are simply means to a greater end. And so these people are not looking at the long game. The people I'm talking about, by the way, are are just the main, you know, the run-of-the-male person who's for these immoral matters. But they don't see what the government's doing. The government's gathering a group of people who are like-minded to join in a certain sort of mindset, and then when they're joined, they're joined. They they they they don't realize again what's coming as an and and result, and even what's coming to them specifically for joining on this. So it's just really clever in its um devilish ways, but that's pretty what this has been going on in history, and I see that's what's going on in the United States now, and especially in New York.

SPEAKER_00: 9:20

Yeah, for sure. Um one of the interesting things is is in Islam the practice of taqiya, uh, which is the the sanctioned approval of lying in jihad. So the the the Islamic structure, and I'm I'm not an expert on Islam, so you know I'm I I've uh you know, disclaimer, you know, if I get something wrong, somebody please correct me, or you know, whoever's listening. Um, but from my understanding, you've you've got two houses in Islam concerning their description of the nations. You have the house of war and the house of peace. And the house of peace is any nation that has essentially Sharia law instituted as its primary governmental law system, its jurisprudence system. So that that doesn't mean that other people don't exist there. It doesn't mean that that other uh other expressions don't exist there. It means that Islam is dominant and that the Islamic jurisprudence system called Sharia is in place. That's called the house of peace. The house of war is any nation, any nation in which Sharia is not the primary governing force. Right. If a nation is is considered to be of the house of war, any Quran believing, not nominal Muslim, but but a literalist who believes the Quran, right, exactly. A faithful Muslim who believes what their their holy book teaches, any nation that is not governed by Sharia, they're going to consider the house of war, and therefore they exist in a state of jihad. Yes. Struggle, holy war. Yes. In that zone, there are several different forms of jihad. There's econom economic jihad, there is um genetic jihad, and there is actual war where, you know, slang terms. Right. The jihadis, you know, is one of the phrases that's out there. It's, you know, not a great term, but they refer to people who are actually blowing themselves up. They're people who are actually uh terrorists that are, you know, coming in. And in their mind, what they're doing is they are waging a holy war according to their book and this demonic revelation from from this entity called Allah, oh, yeah. From Gibril, the the angel that delivered it to him, to Muhammad. And and that's what you seek presently. And whenever you have the house of war, this practice called taqiyyah means that you are allowed to lie to further the jihad until all the world is one, is what the the Quran says. And what it means by one is one religion. Yep. Islam. Yep. So when you see Mandami up there presenting himself as a socialist, if he's actually a Muslim, he is lying through his teeth. Yep. He is not a personality. Yep, absolutely. That's right. Yeah. I I remember being down in the bay when uh when I was, you know, selling and running a gunning, and it would always it like I didn't realize it until later, but the folks who had the most drugs were the Arabs. They they owned the quarter liquor stores, and out of their liquor stores, they were running sales. And and they weren't they weren't pushing the local street rat dudes, these dudes were moving weight. And and I was like, you know, it's it's always the Arabs. It's they're they're they're pushing all this stuff. And then when I became a Christian and I began to look at Islam and the things that were happening, I realized, oh my goodness, what they're doing is they are they are they are intentionally subverting the culture, filling it with drugs. Yeah, they are gaining money, illegal money from heroin and all this, and you know, Afghanistan's that's the poppies. That's the red poppies, that's where you get the that hair on. And and then they would own all of the small businesses, yeah. It's all infrastructure for sure. All of it. Yeah. And then they would come in and they they would marry non-Muslim women who would convert them to Islam, and then their babies are Islam. Yep. And so you've got this systemic push of economics, you've got this systemic push of of um demographic, you've got the you've got money, you've got children, you've got and then what do you know? Eventually your entire population is Muslim. Yep. Right.

SPEAKER_03: 14:21

Which is what we're seeing. Yeah, 100%. 100%. You know, I would I would I would say this. I would say this would sound like good conjecture, if in fact, two of for two things. History absolutely shows this without any kind of equivocation or sort of like uh uh exaggeration or anything like that. History literally shows this. And now, too, this is literally what's going on in real time. Take for example what's going on in Europe. Take what's for I have a friend in um in Scotland of all places, in uh in uh gr Glasgow, and she says the same thing is occurring. So what's going on in in pockets of England and various places in Europe is also going on in in Scotland, also going on in Ireland, and is occurring also simultaneously in the United States. That is a huge con coincidence, if indeed it's a coincidence. So I don't think it's a coincidence.

SPEAKER_00: 15:13

No, and uh, as we see that the trends that happen in Europe, they move west. Absolutely. So they they they come here. So we see it in Dearborn, we see it in um there's another place in the Midwest, I forgot where, and then we see it in uh in Texas, where they're establishing an entire community that's got like shopping centers and all this other kind of stuff. Wow, wow, yeah, yeah. Wow. So what what happens under Sharia, the the the governance of Sharia, Christians and and Jews are allowed to be there and exist and practice as Christians and Jews, but they don't have any rights. Right. Pay taxes. Right. Every other religion, every other lifestyle, so you know, homosexuality, like any kind of of paganism, any anything else other than Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, you recant or you die. Period. Muslims or Christians and Jews are allowed to maintain their faith, but they maintain their faith being governed by Islam. So they they agree to submit, which is that like uh I remember being at Home Depot in uh Massachusetts, I was working and uh I was uh on break talking with this woman who was a Muslim and she was a white woman, she had married an Arabic man and become a Muslim, and and it was my first instance of being introduced to Takia, the the lying, uh the sanctioned lying. Yeah, lie to get what you want, yeah. Right. And she said to me, Oh, Islam means peace. And I'm like, No, it doesn't. No, no, it doesn't. She's like, Yeah, it does. I'm like, no, it doesn't. She's like, no, that's that's what they teach at at my mosque. That's that's what it means. And she had been full-blown lied to. No, uh Islam means submission. Submission, yep. Right. And the Muslim is the one submitted to Allah's Allah. Right, exactly. And so we we uh we're talking, and I I'm just dumbfounded because she believes it. She is full-blown believing that that that's what this means, and that this is a good thing. Yeah. And I'm I'm watching now for the last 20 years as Islam is full-blown taking over all of these these positions, and you know, uh want to be careful, like Muslims are not the enemy. Yeah, they we we want them to be saved, and God is saving them by swaths in like Iran. 100%. The from what I understand, the Iranian underground church is exploding because of demonstrative dreams and visions where Jesus is is introducing himself by praise God. So so we want we want to see them safe. They they are not the enemy. The the spirit behind them is the enemy. Okay. Um, but they are full-blown deceived. And I'm watching as this deception is growing and growing and growing. And there are nominal Muslims, just like there's nominal Christians, meaning people who are who are Christian in name only, or Muslim in name only, or you know, Catholic in name only, or Jehovah's Witness in name only. Right. They they really kind of just uh attend to it, but they don't really believe it. So there are those. But those who actually believe what the Quran says, and and the hadiths, by the way, and uh from what I understand, most Muslims do not know what's in the hadiths at all. But those who actually believe that that the book and what's in there, they uh they they are not yeah, they they believe it, and so all of this manipulation is full blown for a purpose because America is the house of war. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03: 19:13

There is a culmination. Oh, let me read that real quick. Is this a question coming in in real time? Yeah, uh-huh. Very cool. Matthew. Shout out to Matthew.

SPEAKER_00: 19:23

Are the criminal elements of Islam Sunni or Shia driven? Is there a difference between Arab Islam and Iranian Islam? So the difference between um uh Sunni and Shia is is a matter of uh governmental um lineage for who should run Islam. So the uh if I can remember currently here, two main branches, uh the Sunni, those who follow the tradition of the Prophet, yeah, roughly 90%, and then in the Shia are those who are the party of Ali. The difference is um nothing to do with theology. They they believe the same theology, but how the leadership of Islam is to be determined upon the death of Muhammad.

SPEAKER_03: 20:08

Um so the especially in practical ways within government and law and things like this. It has to do more with the hadith, though uh the so there there are more than two branches of Islam. The most popular two are the Sunni and the uh Shi'ite. And I think you said it well. Um the biggest difference comes down to how they understand the Prophet's words in the not canonical writings, because the canonical writings is in the Quran, but in the hadith more importantly, and so how they understand the hadith is with regards to governmental rules and laws is the biggest difference there. But like you said, there's no main difference within theological frameworks, what they're expecting, who the you know, who is Allah and that sort of thing. But simply in um application as to government and how we should run government, or how rather how they should run government. And also in with regards to uh holy war too, there's implications there. With um Muhammad, there is a more uh war frame war mindset. Um and uh yeah, that's the biggest difference as far as I understand. But please, um, if if somebody knows more, um because I'm certainly not a um like master on the topic, I I know bits and pieces having discussed this with Muslims throughout my 22 years of Christianity or knowing Christ, but of course, uh I'm not so much learned in it, I'm just going by what I've heard throughout the years.

SPEAKER_00: 21:28

Yeah, so the um uh the one of the I think one of the the beliefs also is in the um in the Mahdi and this coming Islamic Messiah that they're expecting. Um and I I think you know if if we're if we're paying attention to the demonic systems that are behind it, there there may be an attempt by the the demonic spirits to unite the two factions underneath this this uh Mahdi, you mean? Yeah, the this messianic figure within Islam. Um it's interesting to see how much of this stuff correlates with the scripture. For instance, the the the uh the four horsemen of the apocalypse, the colors that are present in the horsemen of the apocalypse are are on virtually every single Arabic flag. Flag, flag, yes, yeah, absolutely. Exactly. Um so it's really interesting. And and before the alien thing exploded into mainstream, as as I was, you know, my personal studies and and looking at okay, what what should we expect as far as a a unifying figure that comes with the antichrist and such, um my my expectation was going to be an Islamic figure.

SPEAKER_03: 22:40

Me too.

SPEAKER_00: 22:41

That that that's what we should expect. And then the explosion of the alien thing happened in in 2020 and 2021. And now it's it's though those are the two the two things that I see rising that have the potential for this antichrist figure to write. Yeah, yeah, to come forward.

SPEAKER_03: 23:01

It could be a both and too, a mixture of both and I feel, but a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_00: 23:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 23:05

But but to your point though, I think it's it it's no w it's no authority to say that you know the illusions between biblical Christianity, or more specifically the Bible and the Islamic writings, is it's literally vice versa. It's really literally the mirror uh reflection of each other. Whereas the Bible teaches in the last days, the world's gonna have a uh a united government and a united religion. Islam also believes the same. Whereas we believe there's a figure coming, namely the Antichrist, who is going to be the world leader. Yep. The the Muslim teaching says that um that's gonna happen too, but he's gonna be preceded. Yep, he's gonna be preceded by this figure, this Christ figure, who resembles our antichrist. So they believe Jesus is coming back, right? They believe Asa is what they call him in in the uh Islamic language, Isa, uh-huh. And so he's coming back and he's gonna prove to the world that Jesus he didn't really die on the cross. Now, our Bible teaches us that the Antichrist is the one who denies Christ died for sins. He's literally coming back to say he did not die for sin. So I find that very interesting, intriguing too. And um, again, the parallels and the allusions to one another is just so close that it bears paying attention to, especially in these days and times when we're seeing uh a really uh a rising up of Islamic presence in the world. I I just think it's too good to be coincidence.

SPEAKER_00: 24:28

Yeah, for sure. And uh, if I if I remember my studies correctly, uh they've also got to figure out that they call the beast who's a good guy. Yep. Yep. Yep, yep, yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03: 24:38

Which is wild. Yep. So yeah, so our Jesus is their false, so our our our their fault their Jesus, excuse me, is our false prophet. Their Al-Mahadi, that the their their coming one to take over the world, is our antichrist. And it's again the parallels are just chef's kiss.

SPEAKER_00: 24:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's uh it it's easy to see how those things um dovetail in opposition to one another. Yes. Um and then Ryon, who we had interviewed uh last month or a couple months ago, or whatever it was, so he, you know, as as the one of the the heads of the satanic church of South Africa was regularly ingrained in the network of satanic churches across the globe. And they would, you know, convene, I think it was once other every seven years or every nine years, and establish kind of a an agenda for the coming block of seven years or nine years or whatever it was. And he had been sharing that um he the satanic agenda uh prior to him getting out of it um in 20, 20, 21, 21, whatever it was, he had been privy to their goal was that in 2027 they wanted to have a vote at the UN, pushing for a vote, uh, I think the UN, so that there would be a uh a gathering of religious figures and um voices and leaders to figure out what religions can be accepted and what religions cannot be accepted. And two things what they're pushing for in that event, and and not saying that this is going to happen, saying that this is what their agenda was. So whether that coalesces or not, I'm sure. But the agenda is one that the Christians will not be able to agree on Bible translation or core doctrine, and so they will be relegated as unaccepted as a religion. And and and I believe his language was outlawed or made illegal, but you know, nobody's bound to agree to the UN. Like there's no, you know, the UN does a lot of things and we're not bound to anything. If you're a sovereign nation, you're not bound to anything that they they say or do. You know, that that's that's right. So even if they say, sorry, Christianity is illegal, if you've got a nation, it's like, no, it's not illegal here, it's you know, whatever, it's the UN. But the the the second component that they're pushing for, the first is the illegality of Christianity, and the second is um that Islam will rise to become the premier religion. So the the all of these um all of these trajectories are all pointing toward yeah, this this coming kind of event horizon thing with AI and the alien thing and Islam and Christ figure. Dude, so it it's very interesting to watch.

SPEAKER_03: 27:51

Yeah, indeed it is. We're we're really are in some um amazing times and never before in history. I'll just make a caveat here. There are different worldviews or scriptural views with regards to the end times theology or eschatology within our Christianity. And by the way, if you're watching, know that um this is not one of the matters on which we separate. We we can differ on these things and still wholeheartedly be Christians as one is saved primarily by grace through faith alone. But it it it bears witness to to note though that and I'm not a dispensationalist, I am not. I I vacillate between post mill and and amil, but um We'll pray for you. Please do, I need it. I will say though, uh the news lately have been very post-milly, for lack of better words. Yeah, well, that's yeah, actually, no, that's not what I meant to say. Dispens this be is what I meant to say. The news lately have been dispensational premillennial, yeah. Yes, indeed it has. And I, as one who somebody who's not that, I have to be honest with myself. I have to look sit back and watch and say, well, Lord, you know, we're not gonna know until the time. When when that time comes, every single Christian from the least to the greatest is gonna be uh a master in regards to eschatology. We're gonna know it. But until then, we we have differing uh points of views, and I'm just watching the news. And and by the way, you never want to look at your theology in light of what's going on in the news. The Bible's old and the Bible is true, so there's a this balance there. But again, it's interesting to bear witness of as to what's occurring, the technological advances, the culmination of all religions pointing to Islam. I mean, literally all the things that's happening in real time is pointing to a disp sort of view, and it's very funny for somebody like me.

SPEAKER_00: 29:34

I know we we I think we were talking a couple months ago, and we were like, dude, like like you know, they're batting like 750 right now. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_03: 29:44

Like they really are. They really are, man. I'm like opening the Bible to see what page of Revelations I'm on every day.

SPEAKER_00: 29:50

Exactly, right? Yeah, yeah. And you're you're like, holy smokes, dude. Like, that's uh this is this is very interesting. Um the the The uh the sequencing of Daniel and um you know all this other stuff. I would dude, I was looking at the the statement of the UN last week concerning the proposed two state solution. Okay. And the United States representative who's there speaking used these words, these exact words. This is a covenant. Yeah, I remember you said that. This is a covenant. Like I took a picture of it and I have it saved on my phone, and I'm like, dude, you gotta be kidding me. Like the the United States representative is using the exact biblical language that we see in Daniel concerning. Yeah. That he will strengthen strengthen the covenant um with the many, and there's no better many than the United Nations. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 30:57

The mere fact that he used that word in itself to me is just very force-raising. Dude, I'm like, bro, Jesus is coming soon. I really, I really believe, I mean, every Christian in every generation believe that, bro. But again, we're in a specific time where all of these prophecies are growing legs for the first time, I think. I mean, there were always little pockets whereby people would have seen, like, a Nero, for example, as an Antichrist figure. But I'm talking about that. We have that coming, right? We have the technological advances that people in Daniel's day couldn't have described, or people in John's day himself wouldn't have been able to describe with this limited language as to what he's seeing. We're seeing all of that. And it is again, it's just like this time is unique in in regards to biblical prophecy. And man, if Jesus is not coming back soon, I don't know what he's doing. This isn't this is some crazy times, man.

SPEAKER_00: 31:49

This is crazy. So uh when I was teaching um on Sunday at our Bible school, and you know, the one of the the Jewish understandings of prophecy is prophecy is pattern. And so when when you see a prophetic fulfillment, the more the more uh folds of the pattern that are present, the more prophetic it is. So something can be prophetic with just one instance being fulfilled, but it is it is m even more prophetic if there are more instances being fulfilled in it. So for instance, if you you you have some of the psalms and it's like they they pierce uh you know my hands and my feet and they cast lots for my clothes, you know, that that kind of thing. Right. So that that fulfillment is multiple points of fulfillment, not just one. Correct.

SPEAKER_03: 32:38

And most of the psalms are like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 32:40

Right. And so prophecy is pattern means the the more the more folds or the more points in the pattern that come to pass, the more prophetic it is. Yes. And so Jesus' coming and and incarnation and person and work, death, burial, and resurrection, the life of Jesus is the most prophetic time ever, period, without full stop. Okay. The only other time that is compared with with prophetic fulfillment is the end times. Yep. That's right. Yep. And we're just alike, but we think alike.

SPEAKER_03: 33:16

I haven't even talked to you about this, and I know exactly where you're going. I have the same.

SPEAKER_00: 33:19

Yeah. And so so you look at all of the data points that are being fulfilled right now, and nothing, nothing since he came the first time matches with right now. Nothing. Yeah. Nothing. Yeah. And so the the overwhelming picture is that we are living in that time. The funny thing is the the Essenes, they they they depicted this age, this this 2020 to 2029 zone as the the last Shemitah before the the next cycle, in their understanding. And and they were apart from the Bible, they've their prophetic accuracy is pretty crazy. Um, and so what do we see? We see that, yep, you know, yes, the the 666 in in Revelation 13 um is a direct correlation to the name Nero, Kaiser Nero, in in uh numerology. So that's true. That that is true. So John's right, John's audience would have understood, okay, this is an antichrist figure. Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_03: 34:23

But a greater revelation of who that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 34:26

100%. That this is this is part of that. But that's one data point. Correct. Correct. Right? So, like I was reading a New Testament um commentary the other day, and this this dude's breaking down all the stuff that's you know fulfilled to John's audience, and I'm like, you didn't once go back to any of the beasts in the book of Revelation as they depict as they're depicted in Daniel. You didn't do that. Yeah. Well, you know, that's basic hermetical principle is that if if there is a a precedent or an antecedent that's in the scripture, yeah, 100%. You you need to use that to inform what you're doing now, the book of Revelation.

SPEAKER_04: 35:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 35:07

So, you know, prophecy can have multiple fulfillments. You know, the the uh Isaiah 7 14, uh, I think it's 7, um, a virgin will conceive, a child, you know, uh will be born unto you, Emmanuel, etc. That that's immediately fulfilled in the prophet's son himself, Isaiah's prophet, but then secondarily fulfilled in Christ. 100%.

SPEAKER_03: 35:28

You I gotta say this, man, like we haven't talked in a while because of work and life and all of that, but we we think so much of like I'm amazed, bro. You're much more educated than I am theologically, obviously. But I will say I I literally was talking to somebody about this recently, and I can't say I base my uh assumption, my my understanding. I I think it's a good conjecture, but now that you're seeing it, I feel much, much, much better about myself. Because I I explained it this way, and I use the Psalms too as my uh as my launching pad, right? I said, so prophecy is funny in that it there's an immediate context in which it's fulfilled. David says certain things, whatever psalm you want to choose, you pick Psalm 22, I'll go with that. He's talking about his, you know, all these things that's occurring, dogs surrounding me, etc. That occurred in this time. The greater fulfillment of that, however, is Jesus. How do I know that? Am I making that up? No, Jesus literally said uh all of the Bible, from the prophets to the Psalms, etc., it's all about him. He said it in a few different places, two of which I could think of right now. Okay, that being said, I said that as a a sort of like a conjecture based upon my limited understanding of how I understand scripture. And again, now that you're saying it, man, I honestly I can't wait for the show to be done because I'm going to run around the house and say, Oh my gosh, I'm smart.

SPEAKER_04: 36:40

Glory to God. So thank you for that.

SPEAKER_00: 36:42

All right, Matthew's got a question here. Why is Islam not included in Judeo-Christian when all three are claimed to be Abrahamic religions? That's a that's a great question. Um the the answer is in the substance of what they present. So the Judeo-Christian presentation, they presume the same facts about the same people. Islam does not. Islam does not presume the same facts about the same people. It uses the same names of people, but much like the the Gnostics of the first, second, and third centuries, they repurpose those names and attach different stories and such to them. So when you look at the nature of the God of Judaism, he is the the the core nature is the same as the God of Christianity for uh Orthodox understanding um from Judaism. There we we believe this basically the same things that the Old Testament Jews believed, but more, not less. Yes. And so they they correlate to one another. Islam, however, Allah is fundamentally different than any depiction of Judaism or Christianity in in his in his presentation. So what we see is we see a a Gnostic attempt to lay hold of the same biblical personalities and re recast the story with different meanings, and it ends up being an entirely different God. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 38:09

I'll go a little further. Sorry, go ahead. Go ahead. No, no. Thank you. I'll go a little further to say this too. Like the fundamental differences exist with it, and and to be fair, all with with regard to all three religions, Islam, uh, Judaism, and uh Christianity, the fundamental difference is what we do with Jesus. And Jesus comes and he says, I am the truth and the way and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me. And so even though we have the same Old Testament um scriptures as the Jews, and we share that with them, and we love them because from the Jews comes the Christ, um, they differ with with regards to who Jesus is. Now we do hold that many Jews will be saved, so I thank God for that. But with regard to Islam as a specific doctrine and specific religion, they do away with Jesus. They say that Jesus did not die on the cross. The fundamental um again differences with regards to the both religions there, Christianity and Islam is again what you do with Jesus. Did Jesus die for sins? Islam says no. Christianity says yes. More than that, did he rise as a uh proof to justify sinners? Did God himself accept Jesus' sacrifice? In Christianity, we say yes, he rose for the justification of those who would believe in him. Islam says he didn't die, therefore he didn't need to be risen. And so that's the fundamental difference. And so you you can't have harmony with one with two things being opposite. That's what's one of the laws in what we call laws of logic. The second law in logic is law of non-contradiction. That's a contradiction right there in itself. So the the in the final analysis, the reason why we don't hold them, these religions, especially Islam, as one of the brothers in the Abrahamic fashion or form, is because what they do with Jesus specifically. We hold that Jesus is the Christ, he died for sins, even my sin, and rose for my justification. Therefore, I can go before God and know that I'm forgiven, and they don't have that system in their religion.

SPEAKER_00: 39:58

Right. And and I would add fundamentally too that the the who they declare even God apart from Christ in in their understanding. So, you know, like the same with the Jews, they they don't believe Jesus died or rose, but their understanding of who the God of the Old Covenant is or the Old Testament is is fundamentally the same as ours. Even the understanding of God apart from Christ, um, which you know is error on its face, but even their their basic understanding of who God is is different than who Jews understand what God is. Correct. So their their the the nature, the character, the personality, the the all of these things are different. Further, they they take the stories that Jews and Christians agree upon, like Abraham, Abraham's child of the promise is Isaac. Islam does not believe that. They believe that the the promise went through Ishmael. Right. And so they're not just fundamental misunderstandings on the character and nature of who God is, therefore he's an entirely different God. Absolutely. Fundamental divergence on who Jesus is and what he did, but also the narrative, they they don't agree with what the scriptures say at all. And the funny part is it's one of the the best ways to dismantle Islam is that the Quran says that the Bible's true. Yep. When the Quran was written. Yeah. Right. So the Quran's like, yeah, that that's the gospel. It's it's inspired. You're supposed to go back and ask those guys about what was revealed in the truth. And we have we have biblical documents that predate Islam, and the Bible that we have now matches those biblical documents. Their contradiction, their contention now is that the Bible that we have now is corrupt, but we have copies from before when they said it right, that it wasn't corrupt. So we don't have a corrupted text. So now you have to deal with the fact that you're in Islam, you you've you've got claims that are contradictory, and you've got problems with that. Yeah. Yeah. Um so we have a a question about the um five pillars of Islam and how they're different to the pillars of Christianity. So they're they're pillars. Umar shahadah, there is the it is the declaration supremacy of Allah, Muhammad is the prophet of Allah, and this is their their four, their their core fundamental confession. We don't agree with that at all. Um the salat is prayer, some is fasting, zakat is giving of alms and charity, and uh the the Hajj is the pilgrimage, yeah. Yeah, it's the pilgrimage of Shameka. So it's it's essentially works-based righteousness, which is completely contrary to to Christianity. The the we execute works because God has made us righteous, not in order to be made righteous. Correct. For them, this is their they uh was listening to um somebody earlier uh who was saying that the the God of Islam is a God of justice scales, or the God of grace, uh the God of the scriptures is the God of grace. Yes, right. And so how do you make it into Islam is you you've got more good works than bad works. And and even at that point, Allah is is uh arbitrary, right? So you may not even make it in then if he's just having a bad day.

SPEAKER_03: 43:30

You you might have all the good works in the world. That's why you see extremities with regard to their system. That's why you have jihadists who actually go and kill. Because in their scheme, how could you show the most sincerity to your religion? Go and kill somebody for the sake of Allah. Right. And that suggests that you really, really love Allah. Whereas again, to your point, Jesse, it's still arbitrary because maybe Allah wants you to kill five people, you only killed one, so you're not gonna get in. So yeah, that's essentially the difference. It's it's it's works-based, whereas we believe that God is holy, and no matter of works, no, no amount of works that you do, and I'm really happy to say this. If you whoever wrote that, was it Matthew, whoever wrote that? If you take all of the good people of the whole world from the time the world began, from Adam and Eve to this time, and added up all their good works and you put them in a sort of scale, right? Good works basket. A good works basket, you put that good works basket on a like a c a cosmic scale that God can see it. It's huge. And then you put Jesus on the other side of the scale, he's perfect, not only in actions, but in motives, the reason why you do something, the reason why you refrain from doing something. And he outweighs them all because he's perfect in holiness, perfect in purity, has no bad thoughts. He's just in every sense of the word. And so these good works right here don't add up because God is holy. He's not going to accept good mere good work just because you do and or not do. He's concerned with the motives, your intent. And so Christ is the only way you can be saved. So we don't put the two side by side. Christ, Christ is the truth. That's why he says, I'm the truth, the way, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me. And so we repudiate Islam as well as any other religion, to be fair.

SPEAKER_00: 45:09

That's right. Now there is the what some consider the sixth pillar of Islam, which would be jihad. That that is the you know, we talked about that a little bit earlier in the beginning, is the the idea of holy war. The term means struggle. And it it is it is systemic, it is physical, it is economic, it is um demographic, it is the the whole thing is a full court press um in in their system. You know, and the the Quran says it very, very clearly. If you don't convert them with preaching, convert them by the edge of the sword.

SPEAKER_03: 45:47

Yeah. That's right. Yeah. You just said I didn't know this before. You said it's it was correct me if I'm wrong, translated the struggle.

SPEAKER_00: 45:55

Yeah, jihad is the term means struggle or to strive.

SPEAKER_03: 45:59

So perhaps their god is the same one who told you you tell me if you're following me here. A guy wrote a book named Meinkopf, translated the struggle. You know what I'm talking about? Yep. Adolf Hitler. Mm-hmm. Very much very ironic, I think.

SPEAKER_00: 46:12

Yeah, yeah, for sure. And then the the wedding of socialism with Islam right now, you know, and and again, you know, we covered it at the beginning of this of the show, it's it's a uh Trojan horse. They they don't believe that at all. They they like socialism is once Islam takes hold and sharia takes hold, there that's it. There's no such thing as social justice.

SPEAKER_03: 46:32

There's no it's like you said, converto die. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 46:36

Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right, what was the other question, Matthew? You know, so what are the important elements of the Christian revival in Iran and how can we replicate those efforts in our local oh that that's a great question. So the the important uh probably the most important one is it costs everything.

SPEAKER_03: 46:53

Sorry, I'll be right back.

SPEAKER_00: 46:54

Yeah, yeah. So probably the the most important thing right now is that um it costs them everything. And so when when you look at when Christianity actually costs you something, when Christianity is illegal or Christianity is um threatened, there is a action that is developed where where number one, when it costs you something, it weeds out those who really don't want to be a Christian. It weeds out the cultural Christians, it weeds out the nominal Christians. When when it costs you something to be a Christian, those who don't want to pay the price will not pay the price. And so they fall away. Well, what does that leave you with? It leaves you with those who are willing to pay the price, who want to pay the price, and then secondarily, because it costs you, especially in these countries where you can lose your life, there's a desperation that comes. And in that desperation, the Spirit of God comes. Like God loves to get involved with those who call on him. He loves to come and save. It is, it is his nature to save, it is his nature to rescue. And the entire the entire story of the gospel is set up underneath this in the the proving of love that God rescues. He gives himself to rescue and to redeem. And so in these moments, you've got people who if they if if they don't receive a direct word from the Lord at five o'clock in the morning, they die at six o'clock in the morning. That kind of a dynamic, living day by day, creates a communion and fellowship with the spirit and with other brothers who are living the same way that just explodes in real love for Jesus and regular activity for Jesus. And it's absolutely terrifying and completely exciting and exhilarating at the same time. At the same time. Right. Because of this.

SPEAKER_04: 49:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 49:16

And so that that's what's happening there. So how how do we duplicate that in America? Well, you know, uh persecution. Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 49:26

We're probably not living worthy of persecution, is probably why we're not getting persecuted.

SPEAKER_00: 49:31

Persecution, like uh persecution is is it is the external right. But the internal is that people gotta start taking God seriously, man. They they gotta like I I think that there's a lot of churches in America that don't preach the gospel. They they preach something other than the gospel. They they you know, the uh Dietrich Bonhoeff, when Christ calls a man, he bids he comes and dies. The cr the cross is is uh is not preached in churches, the resurrection is not preached in churches, the kingdom of God is not preached in churches. Like you don't get to make your own decisions as a Christian. You willingly give yourself to him and you trust him that his plan is better, that what he wants is best, and you give away your life, and his life is then engendered inside of you. We call it being born again. If you're not born again, you're not his. Yeah, well said, Jesse. Yes, amen. And so I think that we have a lot of churches where people are actually not born again. I I think that that's the nature of it. Yeah, um, two things, and then we'll look at some more comments here. The the first is uh I remember I was driving for um I was I had a really nice vehicle and I was doing um uh wine country tours and you know uh luxury tours and you know or airport runs and stuff like that for a uh you know, essentially a black car company was um, you know, luxury rides. And I remember I picked up these two African-American women um in Napa and uh and they were twins and they were I don't know, 50s, 60s, um, and they were from the South. And we're driving, and they are just pursing up a storm and and acting super ghetto and country, and you know, and that's I mean, that's that's where I'm from. So, you know, nothing nothing abnormal, you know. I I still got a ghetto past, so you know, I'm good. But I'm listening to them and I'm I'm like, all right, whatever, you know, they're just doing their thing. But then one of them gets a phone call from her nephew, and he she's talking to him on the phone, and apparently he's got a job interview on Monday. And she tells him, Don't go to the club this weekend. You need to make sure that you're that your your mind is in the right place and that you're you're you're not you know worn out and not full of alcohol, and make sure you dress nice, and you know, she's she's prepping him for this interview that he has on Monday in order to get this job that apparently, you know, kid wants or whatever. And then she tells him this make sure you don't miss church this Sunday. Make sure you have the pastor pray for you superstition and this this reality hit me like a ton of bricks that there are so many people who think they're good with God and they're not good with God. And it's because of the comfortable cultural Christianity that's been developed in America where the gospel's not preached and something else is preached, and and people think that they're Christian. Somebody sent me a video the other day with this this kid who is shaman on a guitar and had made up this song about my Jesus, and and you the words sound nice, but then he starts going political at the end. And it's a young white kid, um, you know, with a country twang, and he starts going full-blown political at the end and and using political dog whistles concerning present political issues and making it a complete social Jesus. So his Jesus is the one who feeds the poor, his Jesus is the one who does this, his Jesus is the one who does this, but his Jesus isn't king. Right. His Jesus isn't master, his Jesus isn't God incarnate, worthy of all worship. His Jesus is a is a political tagline that pulls on the hearts of people to do social justice. That's who his Jesus is. That's his Jesus right to. 100%. And it's just the man in the mirror, is what it is. That's that's the irony of it. You're you're worshiping a God of your own image. It's it's your own heart postures and desires reflected in an image that you are picturing as Christ.

SPEAKER_03: 53:54

Correct.

SPEAKER_00: 53:55

Um so so so I see this, and uh, I was gonna say a second thing, I forgot what it was, but the what's the point? The point is that this nominal Christianity has settled in the West because of the Judeo-Christian Foundation, and Christianity doesn't cost you anything. And when Christianity doesn't cost you anything, and the preachers aren't telling you, look, you need to give everything away, like you die, he rises. This life exchange. If that's not the Christianity that you have, where you are indwelt by the Spirit of God, you have new heart, new loves, new likes, you hate things you didn't used to hate, you love things that you didn't used to love, then you're not born again. Amen. So I I think that's that that is how we focus on discipleship and and we get people into that zone where they they need to give themselves away and and not give yourself away to a program. You give yourself away to Jesus. Right. And then the evidence that you've given yourself away to him is that you are now good in an earthly sense. So the the fact will Yeah, the fact that you the the demonstration that you actually belong to Jesus is you see his kingdom being made manifest in you, and then his kingdom being made manifest through you, which happens in a a number of ways. Everything from changed character to signs, miracles, and wonders. Well said. Well said.

SPEAKER_03: 55:21

To touch on the um question more specifically though, with regards to revival, you you said something, Jesse, that I I think there is repeat. Um in our country specifically, there's a text that trem that I that I tremble at, and no no I'm not exaggerating in the least. It says in the scriptures, those who desire to see to live a godly life will see persecution. That's right. Not might, not potentially, but the it's a promise. If you desire to live godly in this present age, and if you by God's grace live godly in any way, in any shape or form, now it's a spectrum, some people go on further, right? But nonetheless, if you live godly, you will see persecution. And the reason why I think why we're not seeing persecution in the States, to your point, Jesse, is twofold. One, we're not preaching the true gospel. Amen. What we're preaching in church is um a Jesus. You said it very well, I'm just gonna repeat you, that reflects us. This Jesus reflects us in our will, not the Jesus who we're supposed to reflect, right? His will is that we do the will of the Father. Jesus, what did he come? He came for two reasons. He came that we should know God. I'm quoting John 17, 3, that we should know God and Jesus Christ into who sent him him who we sent into the world. We he called us to know him. And then secondarily, he died to save us from his wrath. There's a wrath coming. There's a wrath coming, a real life wrath coming, whereby this good and holy God is going to judge the whole world by by Christ. And that place, there's no weeping, there's weeping and gnashing of teeth. There's no ending to that place. Day and night they suffer. The Bible says the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. We're not telling people that. And so there's no urgency, there's no, as you, as you put it, laying down of one's life for the sake of God's will in your life. Right? And so there's we these people in this country, they live under a false Christianity, a false guise that they're they belong to God, and there's no urgency, there's no loves, there's no love for the things of God, there's no love for people. You can tell by the way they act and they react, like the people in the car that you just spoke about. They're they're one way, uh acting totally godless, and then they tell their nephew, hey, but make sure you go to church, because there's a measure, an idea of God's holiness, and if you rub him the right way, you can get his blessings, but there's no allegiance to him. There's no allegiance to him with regards to laying down again of one's life. And so, unless until this occurs, until one is born again through the true the preaching of the true gospel, the one that says you must pick up your cross, deny yourself, and follow Jesus. I didn't make that up. Jesus said that. Until that occurs, then you won't have the desires to live in that way. And until you don't have the desires to live that way, so that in fact you do live that way, this country is not going to see persecution. And what it will see instead, though, is a is supposed blessings. We think that we're blessed because we're not being persecuted, but the Bible said, Blessed are those who are persecuted for his sake. Yes. And so what we're seeing is a false sense of security. And the Bible says when they say peace and safety, sudden destruction will occur. And I am not a prophet, nor the son of a prophet, but just based upon the biblical trends, I do see that's America's end. We say peace and we see safety and destruction will come. You sound like a dispensationalist. Hey man. I think I'm gonna talk in tongues for you.

SPEAKER_00: 58:35

So um I I think also though, that that that yes, there is a sense, and and until the Christians rise up and begin living like Christians and being actual Christians and people start being converted, the world hates that. And so there is automatically a persecution that comes, but there's a consumerism inside of America that will persecute that when it when and if it arises. But secondarily, because of the dynamic where the United States has to not be the the the cop of the world, that's gonna come at some point. And you know, whatever your view on the rapture is, or those who believe that the rapture is gonna happen before the the trials and tribulations, and you know, uh and that's of course to the the eschatological dispensationalist. Okay. So those who who believe in well, it's premillennialism, those who believe that the the thousand-year rule of Jesus hasn't happened yet, and I'm on board with that. So for those who believe that, that there is a a time of persecution, the this great tribulation that's going to happen, um, in order for that to happen, America's got to be removed, which means that there is a persecution that's gonna come. And no matter what your timing is on the end times, regardless of the book of Revelation, let's take Matthew 25 and Luke 21, there's a whole lot of bad things. That comes before he comes flat out. So whether you're pre-mill, all-mill, post-mill, whatever it is, there's a whole 100%.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:08

There's persecution. And even if you're pre-trib, there's a whole lot of bad stuff that isn't the wrath of God, but is the wickedness of man and the persecution of the devil. Yes. 100% that rises before the wrath of God begins to get poured out. Because you're, you know, your classical pre-trib rapturist is we get snatched out before the wrath of God comes. Oh, okay. Let's grant that. Praise Jesus. Amen. Nobody wants the wrath of God. Even before that, there's a whole lot of bad that comes. Man's enemies, those of his own household, lawlessness arises, chaos of all this stuff we've already talked about before, right? The rise of self-love, the systemic chaos, the systemic conflict. Yet at the same time, those who arise, the mountain of the house of the Lord, those who will not be moved by this. And how how is that? Matthew 25. Those who refuse to let their love grow cold. And the only way that can happen is if you're in relationship with the one who bought you and purchased you. That's right. Because love is awakened by forgiveness. Luke chapter 7. Yeah. That's right. He was forgiven much, loves much. The gospel is the answer to love. All the time, full stop. End of the story.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:33

Amen. And if you're not owned by the gospel, if the good news does not own you, then you'll be shaken by every piece of bad news that's out there. Absolutely. But if the good news owns you, according to Psalms, we fear no bad news.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:48

Amen. So there's a text, to your point, bro. There's a text in Peter, Peter's epistle. He literally says this, and I feel as if God gave me some ins some understanding on it. He said, Who's there to harm you? Now he says this in the context of suffering and persecution and so forth. He asked the question, Who is there to harm you if your intentions is to do good? You see what he's saying? He's saying, if your aim is to love and do good, then any bad that comes your way is just an opportunity for you to do good. And so you're you're not going to be harmed to Jesse Point. You're literally if your aim is to be a Christian and to love, to lay down your life in love, that is to say, you have no you're not looking for reciprocation. You love them because they love you type of thing. You simply love because God's will is for you to love. If that's you, then no matter what comes your way, all the persecution, all the bad stuff. Now we're not masochists, I'm not saying it's fun, but nonetheless, when it comes, you're not going to be upset because your aim is to love anyhow. And again, these are just means for you to actually fulfill that desire that you have to love. So keep that in mind as well.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:50

Amen. Yeah, I think uh persecution would be good for the Christian church. Um, you know, for those who those who are already um giving their life for Jesus day in and day out, it's not going to be any different. It's it's it's just revealing what's already present. And you know, I I taught this on the uh the mark of the beast in Revelation 13 that immediately after um it talks about a mark, the same, a not the same mark, but a mark that's that's in contrast to the mark of the beast that's already on the heads of the servants of God most high. And that mark is given prior to the mark of the beast, and then it's reiterated immediately after the mark of the beast in Revelation 14. But it's the same idea that's repeated in Ezekiel, where where God tells the angel, go through the temple and mark those on the head who belong to me, those who are grieved by the things that the the un the ungodly are doing, those who are watch this, the false church. These are Jews, these are supposed to be God's people. Those who hate what's happening in the false church, who are actually mine, go and mark them on the head. And it preserves them from the wrath of God. It preserves them from the judgment of God, where the angels go and they slay everyone who hasn't been marked, and they preserve those who have been. Same thing's reiterated in the book of Revelation. Well, what's the math? We've already got a mark on us. Amen. To your point earlier, it's it's the mark of allegiance. You either belong to his kingdom and are faithful to him, or you don't. You don't, yeah. Yeah. There's no middle ground. Yeah. Doesn't matter what you say, doesn't matter what you confess, doesn't matter what you think you believe, if if you do not, if obedience is not present in your life to God because you've been bought and purchased by him and you love him back, you don't belong to his kingdom. You don't belong, you don't know him. Yeah. No. And to Eric's point, the last last uh interview that we had, he he tells, he'll go into churches, raises, he'll and he'll say, If if you have the Holy Spirit, raise your hand. And people who are supposed to be Christian won't raise their hand. Because they know better, they're not. At least they're honest. Well, well, they they thought they were, but they realized they don't have the spirit of God. And so now they're that you're immediately confronted with something. Look, you thought you were a Christian, but you don't have the spirit of God. You're not a Christian.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:24

Yeah, amen. That's that goes back to your point, though, because the church isn't so I I would think God would hold the people who the pastors responsible because they're not. I don't know what the reasons are. I imagine there's many, but fear of man, you know, there's a paycheck if you say too many hard things, whatever the the the reason is, they need to be held accountable to tell God's word to God's people. And if Christ be lifted up, he will draw his people, but he's not even lifted up. I'll tell you what is lifted up blessings. And by the way, God wants to bless his people. God does bless his people, in fact. Right. But the main blessing of God is God, it's not the things. It's to know him, like I said a moment ago. That's why Jesus came into the world. And so if your heart isn't hungry for God himself, if you're not seeking God as an end in himself, then you don't know God. Um, so we need to get back to knowing God. We need to hold people accountable. I like what Leonard Ravenell used to say. He said, I don't even ask people if they're Christians anymore. I love them square in their eyes and I say, Do you does Jesus live in you? See, that's a whole together different question to your point just now. Like now you're asking about specificity. Does God live in you? Has your life so changed that the things you once loved now you hate? And when you do do those things you won you used to love, does it make you mourn? Are you? Come on, Terrence. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. We need to get back to that reality.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:37

That's when we give me shout. Pentecostal. No, I'm too Calvinistic for that, but yeah. That's funny. He's like, Amen. You don't even hear it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:54

We're we're gonna get you there. That's funny. Um all right, so I have uh uh when I was in uh Bible school, uh I was trained for a ministry called Prison Fellowship Ministries, and it's you know big, huge ministry. They're still around and great ministry, trains people to go into prison and and minister into the inmates, and uh they've even got a follow-up ministry and you know, for inmates' families and all these other kinds of things. So I was training for uh prison fellowship ministry, and the the gentleman who was training me, uh his name is Michael Ailes, um, and I haven't seen him in years, but he gave me a um he gave me a comic book, uh, and this is you know 20 something years ago now. Um, but it it was called Muhammad's Believe It or Else. Okay. Proposal. And and uh what it what it was as far as what he communicated to me, I think it was him or it might have been someone who was guest speaking for him, but came from my training time and the person who gave it to me, they said that what what this is is it's an evangelism tool. And if you get caught with this and I'm in a Sharia law country and a Muslim country, they will kill you. Yeah. Yes, because this is this is considered the the ironic thing is that it quotes the hadiths and the Quran for what it depicts. But what what it does is it puts in comic book format um what the Quran and the Hadiths teach that is absurd or things that are shocking for people to know, because 99% of Muslims they will know the Quran, but they will not know the hadiths. And for the Muslim, the Hadiths, they're they're less than the Quran, but they're the word of Muhammad as much as the Quran. Tradition, yeah. Right. So for them, it's inspired scripture that that is secondary to the Quran, but to be followed as much as the Quran. So but they don't know what's in the hadiths, and there's many hadiths, there's not just one, there's there's several of them. And so they they don't know what's in them. And so what this comic book does is it um is it picks some of these moments that are are fairly absurd, and it puts them in a comic book format so that they can give it to um Muslim children. And and hopefully what will end up happening is the the the younger generation will realize how absurd some of these things are and and begin to realize that the the Quran itself is not um is is not right and Allah is not the the prophet of the one true God. So um I I actually have a PDF of it. I have an original copy somewhere too, but I couldn't find it earlier. So I'll I'll just read some of these um real quick. Let's see what uh we got Matthew asking a question here. Like jihad, can be described as a pillar of Islam Halal food can be another consideration in why. What kinds of foods and drinks are Christians not allowed to eat and why? Um that's so uh that that's kind of a um that's kind of a a non-necessary yeah, it's the the tax.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:27

I'm sorry. Thank you. I'll answer in this way, as the Bible says, the kingdom of God is not in food and drink. So we're not saved by works, we're not saved by what we do and or don't do. That's the Christian message. We come with a radical message diametrically opposed to literally every other philosophical view and religious view in all of the entire world. We're saying that you're not good and I'm not good. We're saying that no amount of good deeds you do, whether you stop right today and you never sin again, is good enough for God. And that and therefore, in our uh understanding of salvation, it's not what you do, what you eat, what you don't eat, what you refrain from eating, whatever. That's not how you get saved. We can eat bacon. I wish I had a bacon sandwich this morning. I would have if I wasn't tired. Bacon. I don't trust people who don't like bacon, bro. I'm sorry. And so to answer your question, Matthew, it's not about food. Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is not about in drink drinking and eating. It's not has nothing to do with that. It's what you do with Jesus. Has Jesus so revealed himself that you see yourself in light of who he is? And if you do, fling yourself to him, trust in what he's done. His perfect life will be accredited to your account. You have a zero balance. You owe God because you sinned against him. You did you're not good. God is holy, he expects you to be holy. What are you gonna do? You're gonna try to do good? No. You hold it, you you you hope in Jesus. You believe that he lived a holy life, and then he died to pay the sin's price, and more than that, he rose to validate who he says he is. Now, if you believe in that, you'll be saved. But it's not about what you do with food and what you refrain from eating, or if you're good, and et cetera, et cetera. It has nothing to do with that because no one is good according to Jesus except God himself, which he is God.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:05

Yeah, and he he said it in the New Testament, declared all foods clean when he said it's not about what comes into a man's stomach that defiles him, but what comes out of a man's mouth. Right. And and the commentary uh from the gospel author says that by this he declared all foods clean. And then you got Peter in Acts chapter 10, where God right, where God lowers a uh looks like a sheet that's full of all kinds of animals, and Peter's like, I've never tasted. He said, Well, God is declared clean, let no man declare unclean. Now he was talking about the Gentiles, but in that in that place, the the Jews and the Christians began to eat with the Gentiles and understand that that it's not about food or drink. Um, to Terrence's point, it's the kingdom of God is not about food or drink, but love, joy, and peace and the Holy Spirit is the the rest of that passage. And so the the kingdom of God is found in the substance of the kingdom, not the mechanics of it. Now, there are the the motive question is always an issue. So, what should you not eat? Whatever causes you to be an idolater, you should not eat. What should you not drink? Yeah, whatever, whatever causes you to not be godly, you should not drink.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:18

Break that down because I want people to get that. That's a very good point. And I'll say it this way somebody once asked Jesus a sort of like a played with kind of question, right? Philosophical question. Somebody once asked the pastor, how much did Jesus drink, right? And the pastor said, He drank and he drank and he drank and he drank and he drank and he drank until one more drink would have been drunkenness or idolatry. So the qu to get back to the point, it's not about what you do or don't do or what you eat or don't eat. It's why you eat, and also if it's leading to sin, don't do it. We refrain. We have freedom to enjoy all of good life's good things to God's glory. If at least outside of God's glory, then of course refrain. But you as a Christian, you have freedom in Christ to do and or not do things that are um uh what's the word for neither good or bad? Things that are indifferent in that regard. Neutral. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:07

Mm-hmm. Yeah. So one one of the things that uh we've taught the Bible called students is three zones. You've got value, principle, and then command. So value is the heart posture under the thing, principle is the overarching kind of principle of the thing, and then command is the specific. And what oftentimes happens is people get caught in the command and they miss the value. And this is why Jesus was speaking on the Sabbath. He says, is it right value to do good or to do evil on the Sabbath versus the command, honor the Sabbath? And they missed the value in the heart of God because they were so focused on the command. And the problem is that you can do a command with the wrong heart, and the command means nothing. Yes. And you can violate a command and have a good heart, and God will be gracious. And so understanding the proper order is necessary. Now, that doesn't mean it's okay to sin. It's not okay to sin. What it means is that God is much more concerned with the heart posture, He is much more concerned with why you're doing something than in effect what you're doing. To the the the concept of idolatry, if you know, if if somebody is is a glutton, then they shouldn't eat anything. If somebody is a drunkard, then they shouldn't drink anything. That that's the point is why are you doing what you're doing? To what extent or extreme is it happening? Uh, that concept of of dressing. Same thing. What what is what what's going to bless somebody, what's not going to bless somebody. There are things that are appropriate for certain contexts and not appropriate for other contexts. And how do you determine that? The value, what is going to further the kingdom of God and what is not going to further the kingdom of God? Well, what makes it necessary? It makes a regular interaction with the Holy Spirit necessary. Because the person who wants a whole list of do's and don'ts so that they can start executing do's and don'ts begins to make God manageable and God will not be managing. No, he will not. And that's right. He he may tell you to do one thing one day and something different the next day in in a different way the next day. And there may be things that he tells one person to do in a particular way, and he tells another person to do in a different way because the heart posture is different. And so a a set stead set uh a set set stumbled over my words, of standards to obey simply for the standards divorces the need for regular interaction with God, and that becomes legalism. And it's exactly where the Jews stumbled. They stumbled because they pursued the law as an end unto its own. That's right. Romans chapter 9. They did not pursue the laws by faith, which faith is that living relationship between us and God. The Jesse, I want to do the thing, and Jesse's like, Yes, God, let's do the thing. That's the essence of faith. The essence of faith is this communion between myself and God, where God says he wants to do a thing, and Jesse says, I want to do a thing. I want you to do the thing. Well was Abraham was justified by what? Abraham, come out of your country. Okay, God, let's go out of the country. That's it. God says, I want to do a thing, the person says, Let's do the thing. That's it. That's it. When we do a set of standards and this, that, or next, and did I check all these boxes today? Like I, you know, read my Bible, I prayed, and you need to read your Bible and you need to pray every day. But when I check the boxes for the sake of checking the boxes, I have divorced the need for personal interaction with God, and I have now become perfunctory. Yeah. God's not interested in that. Yeah. Um, okay, so to the Mu Muhammad's believe it or not, uh I'll uh uh Yeah, we talked about that. I had tagged on that. It's um it's all about heart posture and what uh furthers the kingdom and the glory of God. All right, let's let me read some of these and and you'll be very interested. Um Hadith Bukhari, volume four, number five twenty-four. Allah turned a group of Israelites into pigs and rats. Because uh, let's see. Uh what does he say? A group of Israelites were lost, nobody knows what they did, but I did not see them except that they were cursed and transformed into rats. For if you put the milk of a she camel in front of a rat, it will not drink it, but if the milk of a sheep is put in front of a rat, it will drink it. It was illegal for the Israelites to eat the meat or drink the milk of camels while they were allowed to eat the meat and drink the meat of sheep. The prophet inferred from the rat's habit that some of the Israelites had been transformed into rats. Later on, the prophet informed through inspiration about the fate of those Israelites. They were transformed into pigs and monkeys. So that's, yep, Bukari Volume 4, number uh 524, page 333. Muhammad's inspiration would start with him ringing in the ears, then his heart would race, he would fall to the ground, face would turn red, and he would drool and spit up like a camel. They would cover him with a sheep until the inspiration passed, and then he would get up and he would recite the Quran. Then that's what happened to Benny Hang, right? Test of prophethood. If he was really a prophet, and uh it was from, let's see, the angel Gabriel gave him the answer inspired from Allah, and the test of prophethood was why does one child look like his father and another look like his mother? And the answer was During sex, if the mother reaches climax first, the child will look like her, if the father reaches climax first, then the child will look like the father. And that was his his proof of prophethood. Seal of prophethood. He had a mole, a huge mole, and that was the seal of his prophethood. Surah 3340, Muhammad is not the father of any man, uh, any of your men, but is the apostle of Allah, and the seal rests upon him. Hadith Bukhari, volume one, I stood behind him, saw the seal of the prophethood between his shoulders. It was like Zir al-Hijala, the size of a button on a small tent or a partridge egg. So it is a a mole the size of a pigeon's egg on his back. Uh let's see. There's a couple of these that are very, very interesting. Oh, Adam was 90 feet tall. He was 60 cubits tall. Wow. Uh Muhammad does not allow cats or dogs, and angels do not go into the house of those who have cats or dogs. Here's an interesting one. Satan lives in the upper part of the nose at night, and it's the reason why Muslims need to get up in the morning and perform uh ablution, I think is what it's called, ablution. Um right. So Bukhari volume four, number five sixteen, Satan stays in the upper part of the nose at night. Muslim volume one. I got a question about that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:27

So Satan in the scheme of things is like uh omnipresent too, if he's staying in everybody noses.

SPEAKER_00: 1:21:33

I I guess, or maybe it's uh a representative of Satan. I'm not sure. Wow. Um stays in the upper part of the nose at night. We can't perceive how this is related to the unseen world. We know nothing except Allah has what Allah has said through his apostle Muhammad reported the apostle said, When any of you awakes from sleep and performs ablution, he must clean his nose three times, for the devil spends the night in the interior of the nose. Wow. Yeah. How about this one? Non-Muslims have seven intestines and Muslims have one. Oh man. Yep. Muslim volume three, numbers five thirteen. Here's another one. If you pray while looking up, your eyes will be snatched from your head. Muslim number one, number 863, is forbidden to lift one's eyes toward the sky in prayer. Abu Huraria reported Allah's apostle uh apostle as saying people should avoid lifting their eyes toward the sky while supplicating in prayer, otherwise, their eyes would be snatched away. And so you can imagine, like I've got this comic book in front of me, and it's got this person with their eyes being snatched out and in a comic book form. Goodness, sheesh. Yeah. Uh let's see what else we have.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:45

People really believe this stuff, too, man. That's the insane part.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:48

Yeah. Uh Muhammad was bewitched. So, according to his wife, Aisha, magic worked was worked on Allah, so he began to imagine he had done something that he had not. Uh in a number of places, Bukari volume uh 567 in three different passages. Um there was a crying tree in which he preached and it continued to cry until he came and caressed it. Oh my goodness. Uh food shouted when he ate it because it was being ate eaten by Muhammad's chosen apostle. Um, here's another one. If if you fall asleep during prayer, Satan pees in your ear. I heard I actually heard that. I actually just read that recently on Instagram.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:34

Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:35

Because Bukari Volume 2, number 245, if one sleeps and does not offer the prayer, Satan urinates in his ears. Narrated by Abdullah the Prophet said Satan urinated in his ears. So I I guess that means if you miss prayer too. So not only if you fall asleep during prayer, but if you're sleeping when you're supposed to be praying, I guess that that would be the conclusion. Yawning comes from hell. Hadith, volume number five, number five oh nine, narrated by Abdul Hararia. Harar. Hararia, yeah. The prophet said yawning is from Satan. Hell is populated mainly by women, according to Muhammad. Jeez, no respect for women in that religion. Got uh very, very they've got no rights. Uh let's see. Um Muhammad is described as being a white man who dyed his hair uh red. His hair was was black and he dyed it red. So his thigh was white and his armpits were white, which I guess attests to him being um Prophet. Well, no, yeah. Him being of of lighter colored skin and living in the deserts where you know you get sun sunburnt or suntanned and but your pits are are white. Um then there is a a thought out there that that says that he actually was not Arabic at all, but came from the the Western countries, Turkey, you know, Eastern Europe, etc., and um had had actually spent time with Christians and Jews and was rejected by them. Yeah. And so prior to establishing Islam, he had tried to do the Christian Jewish thing and and had been kicked out. Rejected, yeah. Yep. Um let's see. Uh child bride, so for those of you don't know, engaged at six years old and consummated the marriage at nine years old. That was his last wife, right? Uh Aisha. Yeah. Bukhari volume five, number two thirty-four and two thirty-six. Uh said that Ethiopians looked like raisinheads. Bakari volume one, number six sixty-two. Kind of true. Kind of true. Wow, stop.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:57

No, you've seen um cast away. We are the captain now. That yeah, I mean, that could be true.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:05

In love, in love. Okay, we got a question. Let's see. Uh, when speaking about those who are persecuted for being Christian or Christ-like, can you discuss the martyrdom of Muhammad and his family in Islam and how it might be significant for the schism? I don't think there's any significance um for the martyrdom of Muhammad. I you know, he was a violent dude, and uh he the the idea of Islam is is to conquer, and their ideing idea of conquering is not the same as Christian conquering at all. Christian conquering is you you give your life to conquer, where in Islam you conquer by the edge of the sword. Yeah. That's right. Um so uh a nation is considered conquered when Sharia law is is uh established, and so the entire nation is now Islamic. Um so I I don't think there's any correspondence at all to that. Um Muhammad was not a godly man, he was possessed by a demon. That would be be my my uh my conclusion. The the revelation is completely other, and matter of fact, it was reported that he believed that he had encountered uh a demonic spirit originally, and it was one of his wives that convinced him, no, this this is probably an angel from heaven. And so he had initially uh second guessed his experience in the cave and uh was later convinced that it it wasn't demonic. Whenever you have doctrine that is demonic, that is anti-Christian, it is 100% demonic. And that's one of the ways that you can discern um, according to uh 1 Corinthians chapter 12, the one of the first tests that Paul gives as far as manifestations go, any manifestations of any kind of spirit in any kind of shape, in any kind of form, is whether or not their confession is in accordance with historic Christian doctrine. Paul's language, um, one cannot say Jesus is Lord except by the Spirit. And one one cannot say Jesus is is Lord, um cannot say Jesus is accursed if they have the Holy Spirit. And so there's this proper confession of right doctrine and relationship that is um tested. There are a number of other tests in 1 Corinthians, the the ability of self-control, so this uh this hadith um uh description of when he would fall underneath inspiration and he would seize and foam at the mouth and turn red and all this other kind of stuff. That's nothing different than the Pythia and the Delphic oracles of the Greeks. That is that is a demonic spirit that has come upon a person by which they then utter demonic revelation, right? Which is all it's there's nothing different from that than the rest of the demonic revelation of the ancient world.

SPEAKER_03: 1:28:56

Well said, or even modern times with Hinduism, charismatic. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. No difference at all. Yep. Where the spirit is, there's self-control. And so if there's a demonstration of the spirit whereby somebody's getting revelation, and I and I believe that exists, but there the spirit has is one of self-control, and where you where you see people throwing up and acting crazy and convulting and all that sort of thing, no, that's not of the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:20

Yeah, I I mean I I've seen that stuff when demons come out of people. Um, so that's a thing, you know, they they can throw up and confuse. Demons coming out of people, right? Not you're not getting revelation from the Lord himself, not the spirit of God. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 1:29:31

My point, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:31

Yeah, for sure. The Paul says the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet, and he's very clear that we have the ability to have self control in the midst of um revelation. Correct. Um, all right, we got one more question, then we're gonna go ahead and wrap up because we're about our time. Uh what is the Islamic Ka'abah and why do Muslims pray toward it and spin around it during Ramadan? Is it connected to Saturn, Satan, and the God of the Old Testament? Um, that's no, it's not connected to the God of the Old Testament. Um it is a a meteorite stone from what I understand. And there's some uh there is some interesting conspiracy theories around it and and what happens to it uh or or what it's supposed to be. And and I I I don't know enough about Islam to know um exactly their their concepts, but I believe it it has a eschatological end times connection for them, Terrence. Do you know they I I think the Ka'aba's connected to the coming of the Mahdi or something like that. I wish I did, I don't know. Yeah, okay. So um I I do believe I I can't recall correctly, so I'm I'm not gonna I'm not gonna disseminate the information, but uh I do believe that that they believe that there's some connection to that meteorite stone and uh their eschatology. Um and then there there are some interesting correlations between um the the Allah before he's uh so let me back up. The uh there is an idea out there that Allah is originally the moon and star god of the pre-existing Arabic pantheon before Muhammad gets a hold of him. Yeah. So so Muhammad gets a hold of him and and repurposes him, and in his violence and in his uh in the deception and in their conquest, they make their their theology repurposes the entire thing. The Islamic pantheon or the Arabic pantheon essentially goes away and is replaced by Islam and right, and the the deity of Islam is Allah. And and so that people know the term Allah in in Arabic is a generic term for God. So Christians in Arabic countries they they use the term Allah for God too, but it's not the same God who's named Allah in in Islam. So we'll say a good distinction. So there are there are some pre-existing threads that connect to uh or to um Allah in connection with the sky and these other pantheons pre-um Islam. And so there could be connections to um some of the deities that that were parts of pantheons prior. Um I I don't know enough about that. There's been a lot of folks who've done a a lot of other research, and so you know that there's that information's out there. Um but that it's demonic is 100% uh the fact. Yeah. Right. Because of of what they do with with Jesus. Yeah. Welcome to the Islamic Takeover to whoever's paying attention. I I guess this last voting cycle, we had a number of uh of Muslim um candidates that won. Um, and so for those of you who are discerning and for those of you who are praying, um, just number one, remember they need salvation. Amen. And we fear nothing as a Christian. To those who are owned by the good news, bad news has no grip on them. Okay. So if you are owned by the gospel, if you belong to Jesus, we fear no bad news. Bad tidings has no place to land inside of us, no matter where it comes from. Our job is to preach the gospel. And and whether Islam takes over the world or whether it it does not, our job is to seek and save the lost. And so preach the gospel, love them. Yes. Preach Jesus Christ crucified and risen, and that he he wants a meaningful relationship with them. The um the director that we interviewed last time, Eric and Jamie Wald in our first interview, both on a movie called Show Me Your Glory. And one of the guys that's in that is uh I think he was the son of a Hamas leader, and he tells his story in that movie, and it's very, very moving, um, in which he's in prison and and he meets Jesus, and Jesus walks in and he says to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. And and this encounter happens in jail while he's in jail for for for being an Islamic terrorist. Um, yeah, it's it's very, very moving. Um, so I would encourage you guys, that's coming out here in the in the next week or two. I think December 7th was what Eric said. So uh I believe it's gonna be streaming on all platforms. Um, it's it's one of the key stories. Um, so I'd encourage you guys to go check out Show Me Your Glory and uh be blessed. Um, Terrence, any closing thoughts?

SPEAKER_03: 1:35:05

Yeah, one last thing. And you said it already, but I think it's important to stay again. If you heard from our talk today, go and be angry with the Muslim or hate the Muslim, you have not been listening well enough. Correct. If you love Jesus and Jesus lives in you, you cannot possibly hate the Muslim or anyone for that matter. Go and lay your life down to love. That's how you know you've been born again. Do it for his sake, that's how you know you've been born again. Love the Muslim, preach the gospel, and then glorify God and die.

SPEAKER_00: 1:35:33

All right. Uh, we miss Zayn. He's on the back end today. Everybody have a happy Thanksgiving. Um, you know, be remember you're you're you if you're saved in the gospel, you have every reason to be grateful and thankful. And if Jesus never did another thing for you, the gospel's enough. You he he is the ultimate treasure.

SPEAKER_04: 1:35:53

Amen.

SPEAKER_00: 1:35:53

God bless you guys. We love you. God bless.