The Great Deception | Non‑Human Intelligence & End‑Times Prophecy

A president poised to “say everything,” a former president hinting that aliens are real, millions of files disappearing, and church leaders quietly told to prepare. The headlines sound cinematic, but the stakes are pastoral: if public disclosure of “non‑human intelligence” arrives, how do we keep our hearts steady and our loves rightly ordered?

We walk through the breadcrumb trail—from Oval Office rumors to DNI prep—and ask a sharper question: are these entities extraterrestrial or interdimensional? That pivot changes everything. Extraterrestrial claims collide with physics and create thorny theological problems about sin, entropy, and salvation. Interdimensional language, however, aligns with Scripture’s portrait of angels, demons, and the “host of heaven.” We connect modern UAP patterns—right‑angle accelerations, telepathic messages, channeled texts, reproductive obsessions—to the very old tactics of deceiving spirits. Ancient mythologies about “gods” crafting humanity meet the Bible’s polemic: a seed war that starts in Eden, erupts in Genesis 6, and resolves in Christ.

This is not a call to fear or to fringe speculation. It’s a call to discipleship under pressure. We lay out practical ways to resist a strong delusion: love the truth more than novelty, hate wickedness without apology, and train your ear to recognize the Shepherd by saturating your mind in Scripture and your life in prayer and fellowship. We also navigate a vital balance for the soul—owning our wretchedness without despair, and standing in Christ’s righteousness without pride—so we can live on mission when counterfeit wonders go public.

If disclosure breaks, fascination will be cheap and plentiful. Faithfulness won’t be. Join us for a clear, grounded roadmap that equips believers to stay unshaken, love well, and be useful to Jesus when the world starts asking hard questions. If this conversation helped you, subscribe, share it with a friend, and leave a rating so more people can find the show.

Transcript

Strong Delusion And Love Of Truth

SPEAKER_03 0:05

This strong deception is being allowed by God, and it's being allowed for a reason. And the reason is because people refuse to receive a love of the truth. And the the the second way it's stated in the same passage, they refuse to receive a love for the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness and not righteousness. So what's the math? God is sending it so that everybody's love is going to be proven. So the Christian, how how do you maintain not being deceived? You gotta love the right stuff and you gotta hate the right stuff.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

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SPEAKER_00 1:09

We're happy to be back. We got the trio on today. Uh we had to come back on, guys, because there's a lot cooking, especially in the I guess the the our perception of this disclosure thing that's happening right now. Uh we're kind of in the midst of it. You know, a lot would say the mainstream might say we're at the beginning of it, but we know that there's been a lot of talk over these these last years and things have been ramping up. And we wanted to come on today and kind of do a follow-up from the previous disclosure uh episode that we did. It was a few weeks ago. I maybe actually maybe last year now. Um and we wanted to kind of follow up with that because there's a lot of stuff that's been percolating lately, obviously, in the headlines, and also talk about the implications for the body of Christ. Uh that is, of course, listening. And for those listening, thank you so much. Thank you so much for being on. Thank you so much for checking in and commenting and you know, sharing your testimonies. Keep the keep that flowing in. It is really um beneficial to the body, obviously. We know how powerful testimony is, but we also want to just give a shout out to those who have reached out, and even if it's a single-word comment or a like or a love, whatever it is, passing it on, giving someone a link to the to the um to the show itself, whatever it may be, guys, we just really, really appreciate the support. You know, I I I like to think that we're, you know, dedicating ourselves to service in the name of Christ. But, you know, when we can get on a platform like this and and really reach some people, uh, we want to reach as many people as we can. So, you know, spread it far and wide, guys, and uh we'll we'll continue to put out these great messages for you. But um I'm gonna hand it over to Jesse and uh and we'll see what what's cooking today.

Rumors Of Presidential UFO Disclosure

Signals From Power: Obama, Trump, DNI

Church Leaders Briefed To Prepare

Angels, Demons, And Interdimensional Framing

SPEAKER_03 2:45

Yeah, so we were talking uh pre-roll and then just behind the scenes offline. Um there's been, especially in the last, I don't know, three weeks, there's been a lot of stuff concerning the uh alien ET UFO, presently known as UAP uh phenomenon that is is happening. Um and the the interesting thing is that it it looks like there's an official disclosure that's coming. Um until it happens, we can't say that it is, uh, but there's a lot of indications, kind of, you know, the the the statement in Daniel, the writings on the wall. So I kind of wanted to go over the um those events in the last few weeks. There was a rumor that was going around that the president is going to give a disclosure speech in July or early or late May, in which he's gonna come out and and officially say that the United States government has confirmed the existence of ET and NHI non-human intelligence. Um and that the the plan was for this speech to happen on the anniversary of the the Roswell, New Mexico crash, which in the in the mythos and the lore of the the alien phenomenon is a huge watershed moment um that that uh precipitates uh a whole rash of these things, encountering people and this other kind of stuff. Um it was an interesting rumor. We saw the rumor, and then people started coming out confirming the rumor. Like his own daughter-in-law was on a podcast in which she said, she said, you know, she's hearing around the administration when she's around the White House that her father-in-law has this speech, and he kind of plays coy whenever they ask him about it, and typically he doesn't. Um, so so there was an insider that said there they are gonna come out and they're gonna have uh they're a whistleblower, they're gonna come out, I think, in May and do an official um some sort of official disclosure. I don't I don't know if it's they're they're coming out to talk about firsthand witnesses or um I'm not sure. Um but this guy's the one who said that that the speech was written and then the Trump daughter came out, um and then several other people began to confirm it, and then Obama went on a podcast and spilled the beans, where one the the podcaster interviewing said, um, what about aliens? He goes, Oh, they're real, they're just not at Area 51. And um then the next day Trump is asked about it while he's on uh Air Force One by the press. What about Obama? What about the alien? And and he goes, he says, Well, he disclosed information that is top secret, so he's actually in trouble for saying that. Which means that the the clear uh understanding is that Obama shouldn't have said that they were real, but they're not at Area 51. Right. Uh so you've got you've kind of got this um unofficial right insinuation that he wasn't lying. Um, and then Trump says, Maybe I'll get him out of trouble and just disclose everything. And like everyone watching is going, wait, wait, what? Like just this series of events impro like like just insane. Like this has been stuff that folks have been talking about for 70 years. And so the next day, Trump uh releases a statement on True Social where he says that at his direction, the United States government is going to disclose everything they have on UFO, UAP, NHI. And that weekend, and I think this was uh like last week, not last weekend, but last week, um, Pete Heggseth, the director of the Pentagon, or what's now known as the Department of War, is asked about it on an interview. And he's going, We're getting all the information ready for him. And he goes, he says, I certainly didn't have on my bingo card for this year that I would be the guy giving the information to the president about this stuff. And then Tulsi Gabbert comes out for the DNI, she or as the DNI, the director of national intelligence, and she says that they're getting files ready for the president. And then the next day, 3.6 million files suddenly disappear concerning it. And so you you've got all of these uh these these indicators happening, and then last week, um, and two people who are church leaders, one of them I personally know, have come out on public airwaves saying that they were invited to meetings last week in on the East Coast, some by the administration, some by other people, in which these insiders that are inside the government are telling church leaders, this is coming, it's coming fast, and you need to prepare the church. Okay, so what does that do? That that we've already had the discussion, uh, I think his name was right last year about the alien deception, uh, the the the disclosure that's coming. And then Bob Maddox, the last last interview that we had last podcast, he had mentioned it as well. And one of the reasons why I had him on is because he had said it publicly was coming at our 20th anniversary. Um, and so all of these things are are intersecting, okay? And the truth is is that the church does need to prepare for it. The the church needs to be aware of what the Bible says about non-human intelligences, the the which the the Bible does affirm non-human intelligence. They're called angels and demons and fallen angels, these supernatural beings that God has created that are uh beyond our sight and things that we don't see. That the Bible's very clear exist. And uh for those some are listening by myself, like I I've I've been aware of, I've seen an angel, I've been aware of like we had one playing a keyboard in our church when there was no power four times, four times, and so so we're we're aware of this supernatural dynamic. Um, and the Bible speaks about it, and the conversations that are happening started with these things are extraterrestrial and have now shifted to these things are actually interdimensional. Well, the Bible talks about that. Um, so so we as the church, we we need to be prepared and understand what the Bible says about it and how it fits into uh in particular prophecy and end times prophecy. Um, and so we we wanted to open up that conversation again today. Uh we we didn't I I I didn't really think that we had any other desire to do anything more on aliens, you know, always fun conversations, whatever, around a around a fireplace at night or something like that. But that wasn't really on the radar. We we had other things that that we were praying about and thinking about and talking about um until this sequence of events in the last two and a half weeks. And then Iran gets struck over the weekend. So anyone who's watching biblical prophecy or watching the world events and understands biblical prophecy, there are just we we are all these streams are headed in the same direction, and there's an event horizon that's right there. There is there is something coming that's going to be the convergence of all of these things, and it's gonna change the face of the planet as we know it. Yeah. So that that's on the horizon. Those are my opening thoughts. What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_04 10:40

Well, let me just say this, man. I think we're in some we're in some fantastic times. I can't believe we're actually having this conversation in the first place. This almost feels like we're living in a movie, right? It's so surreal that, like you said, you know, people are coming out, people in government, people in churches, uh, high-level people, actually talking about the existence of non-human entities. That this is uh again, fantastical for me. These are the things I grew up reading in books. I feel like movies prepared me for this, and I'm actually living it right now. So I am gung-ho. I'm excited to talk more about it, to learn more about it, and to see how God's gonna use all of this for the sake of the church, man.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

Yeah, amen. Yeah, I'm right there with you. I mean, I've obviously been in this stuff for a long, long time and talk about it a lot, and and honestly, have if I were more in my flesh, I'd feel much more vindicated at this point because all the True, all the conspiracies. Yeah, and family members, you know, hey, you guys were right. I'm sorry we were rude to you back in, you know, in 2019, 18, whatever it was. And that's great. But like it that that also means that um we're reaching times that are like, okay, we have our we gotta have our wits about us. And you know, we gotta have the spirit close and and be driven uh by the most high. I think it's it's just these are the times when we really gotta lean on our relationship. Um I'll also say too, you know, with what you were you you were talking about, the sequence of events, it's like, you know, you say what you will about Obama. I don't know how apt, you know, this guy doesn't necessarily get up in front of a mic and you know misspeak, say let sli stuff slip. So it's sort of fishy to me that that would come out. Maybe it was some a precursor to this, the you know, the rest of the events that needed to happen. Maybe it's all part of the you know, the soft and then into the hard disclosure. Um I'm not sure. It's it's setting a stage for something though, and it's it's that seems a little fishy to me. It seems like there's like a bumble after a bumble after a bumble, and it's sort of now we have to release everything.

SPEAKER_05 12:30

Yeah, yeah.

Ancient Myths And Biblical Polemics

SPEAKER_00 12:31

You know, it's just it's a weird thing, man. And I've been kind of saying that for a couple years now, since we've been talking about this. Okay, they're ready to let stuff slip or they're ready to ta tell us what's really going on, but they just haven't yet. But um, I've I've just felt really suspicious of it since this all kind of started, and they're like now all of a sudden ready to say everything to us. Um, but I do think the the the topic at hand and the most important thing is really what the body can do with it. So I do like what you what you said though, Zan.

SPEAKER_04 12:56

I do feel like it's convenient. I don't think uh Obama's any idiot by any stretch of the imagination. And so I do feel like it's very convenient as how things are you know come into play. So good point there.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

Yeah, so remember, guys, our our position is this whole thing is a psyop, right? They're they're not they're not from other planets. They're they're and and by the way, that's actually becoming the consensus with people who are in the know that they've been here the whole time. They they are they they the whole ancient aliens thing that you see on um the history channel, that that was all a front-loading attempt at at getting the hu the the psyche of the planet shifted into a a position where they would believe the information that's coming to them. And those who are in the know that are studying these things have shifted from the extraterrestrial hypothesis to a terrestrial hypothesis, but that they are interdimensional. And so, I mean, it gets dude further and further down the rabbit hole you go. Like the the whole thing is and when we say demonic, we we're we're not meaning that they are necessarily demons. What we mean is that they are of the the demonic realm, and so we there is a distinction between a demon and a fallen angel, I believe. Um, and and so it's in the same way that we would say, you know, Anton Levee is satanic, but he's not Satan, he's of the satanic kingdom. So when we say that these things are demonic, we we are aware that the morphology and the taxonomy and all of the the indications are that it is much more complicated than just saying that these things are demons. But what we mean is that these things are of the realm of the enemy, and this entire thing is meant to be a deception to cause people to fall away and and to think in ways that that will prevent them from saying yes to the gospel um and other things. Indeed. Well said. Dots?

Great Delusion And Guarding Your Loves

SPEAKER_00 15:02

Yeah, the very I mean, the very foremost premise of the ancient alien, ancient astronaut theory, if you will, is that these extradimensional, extra extraterrestrial is what how it's you know given to us. It's it's it's sort of the simplest, you know, um explanation of what could have happened in our ancient past is that people came from heaven to earth and manufactured humanity, and now we're supposed to, and now they would reveal themselves at some point in modern history, and we would then worship them because they manufactured us through genetic manipulation and that kind of stuff. And it's just so horrific, so it's it's awful because it just takes us so far from God, right? You literally have these two brothers, Enki and Enlil, in the Sumerian mythology that come down, and and and Enlil is supposed to be Yahweh, right? And Enki is supposed to, you know, so and Enki is like the satanic figure. So now we have these two brothers warring. So it's like they've what they've done is they've so superimposed this, you know, um the the this theology and this sort of origin of humanity over this old, you know, sort of these this framework of this old mythology. And it's uncomfortable because it's now, especially as a believer now, where it's like, I I believe in God. I don't know what you all are talking about or where you where you say we're coming from, but that doesn't make any sense to me.

SPEAKER_03 16:16

Yeah, so one of one of the um things that that we see with the scripture is that the scripture is a polemic. Um, and so here's a really good book by a guy named John D. Courage. It's the polemical theology of the Old Testament. Shout out to John D. Curred. It says against the gods, and it is about um the nature of the Old Testament as a polemic. And what does that mean? It means that the Old Testament seeks to set the record straight with all of the false fake news that the demonic realm has been shopping around in the early ages of man. So, for instance, the the creation narrative, or probably the most popular one, is the flood narrative, where people understand that there is a flood narrative, the Gilgamesh epic. There is these other flood narratives that actually depict some some of the same characters by different names, like Utnapishtem, uh Utnapishtem, whatever his name is, is the Noah character, but the flood event of the of that right, but the flood event of that uh that character is only seven days, but the flood event of the Bible is 40 days, and so what we have is you have a a polemic is a a uh an argument meant to war against another idea. So um Baal is the cloud writer in the Canaanitic I um cosmology, and then the Bible reframes no, the actual cloud writer is Yahweh, and then in particular in the New Testament, the real cloud rider is the sun who's gonna come back on the clouds, and so you have this this um this setting the record straight of fake news, and so all of these other tales with like Inki and Enlil and the Anunnaki and the Apgalu and these these other divine beings and and or half divine, like you know, Gilgamesh is two-thirds god and one-third human, and he's uh he's a giant, and you know, all of this other stuff. It's it is this the record is set straight in the scriptures. And so when we look at those things, we understand that that has been the the fallen realm shopping around real events that have happened in the historical past that have a shared human um uh recollection, and then God says, No, I'm I'm gonna set the record straight.

Culture Of Self And Ripeness For Lies

SPEAKER_00 18:50

There it is. Yeah, yeah, and all of that information I was just describing to comes comes from Zechariah Sitchin, who you know he he deciphered the kineiform tablets, you know, back in the 70s or whatever, and then wrote a bunch of books about what he says they said. And it's funny because he passed, you know, a couple decades ago, and it came out after he passed that he had CIA ties. Wow. And so you're like, what were what is really being said here? And what end is it being said, right? Yeah. And they're setting up some sort of possible scenario, and they because they have a number of scenarios to choose from, whether it's a a fake alien landing or whether it's a let's disclose everything and be in this together, or whether it's a these are actually the gods of you know the creators of mankind. And we've been worshiping them all this time, and that's why we have so much power. It's there's lots of different avenues this thing could go in. Um, and I think it's funny that it's sort of like now, right now, sort of being billed as like this accident, you know. Um, so we'll yeah, we're we'll see where it goes. But I think keeping our wits about it, like I said, is is is important right now. I wanted to ask, so like the implications for the body, right? We're we're talking about these things being demonic and a part of the demonic realm, uh, which is vast, obviously, and there's lots of implications there. It's an insanely complex puzzle uh when we say that we, yes, agree that aliens are real, right? We have to then step into this paradigm of all right, for me to feel okay with that, I need to understand it a little bit. You know what I mean? And as a Christian, it's like I can just I can say it's demonic, and that way it is labeled in my mind as the enemy, right? And so I can deal with it in that regard. But I think my question is, um, what can we pre what can we be praying into, you know?

Fallen Angels, Demons, And Nephilim

SPEAKER_03 20:32

Well, so Second Thessalonians, and we we talked about this before, Second Thessalonians 2 says that God is sending a great delusion on the face of the planet. And so the the first thing that folks need to understand in their mind is that though this is a a demonic fallen angel deception, God's allowing this. Okay. So what what do we see in Job? We see that that the devil gets great power, lots of leeway, but he can't do it unless God says he can. And and so the the Thessalonians passage is very clear that actually this strong delusion, this strong deception is being allowed by God, and it's being allowed for a reason. And the reason is because people refuse to receive a love of the truth. Yeah, and the the the second way it's stated in the same passage, they refuse to receive a love for the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness and not righteousness. So, what's the math? God is sending it so that everybody's love is gonna be proven. So, the Christian, how how do you maintain not being deceived? You gotta love the right stuff and you gotta hate the right stuff. Oh, Christians aren't called to hate, dude. Read Hebrews. He loved righteousness and he hated wickedness, therefore, God his God has anointed him with the oil of joy above his companions. People don't like the idea that God hates, yet he says, Jacob, I have loved Esau I loved. I have hated. Either we're gonna be biblical or we're gonna be stuck in our feelings about whatever our false conception of God is. Oh, I I don't like uh the the God's love, so I I I can't I can't think of him hating. That's not biblical. We we need to make sure that we reconcile whatever our thoughts, perspectives, and feelings are with what he's revealed through the scripture. He's given us that book for a reason. It maintains the authority that it does for a reason, it's got the marks of his handwriting on it for a reason. It's supernatural, not natural in origin for a reason, and proven to be so. So maintain keeping your love and affection in the right spot by bringing it into conformity with what the scriptures say, not what you feel. And I think that's that's probably the big spot that also coincides with being in church and fellowship on a regular basis. There's no such thing, guys, as a a Lone Ranger Christian expression. There's not. That is a Johnny come lately idea of Americanism that is rooted in a very, very visceral sense of independence. What has that done? Oh, it's just me and Jesus out in the middle of nowhere, dude. Then you're not a part of the body, you're disconnected. Amen. That's that's not Christianity. We are called to be able to submit to one another, to pray for one another. All of these things happen in context. And when it comes to a deception like this, you need the vision of your brothers and your sisters on your soul.

SPEAKER_04 23:35

Yeah. You need that. What's up, Mark? So I think there's something to be said, Jess, uh, kind of like piggybacking on what you said about making sure that your loves or or your emotions isn't the right thing, right? I think there's a cor correlation there with regards to our the time in which we're in. I feel like we're, and you guys could probably attest to this as well. We're in a time where, you know, um the pop psychologists talk about narcissism or self-love so much more to me, it seems, than any other generation than before. You have divorce at an all-time alarming rates in and outside of the church. You just have, because of social media so privy to a lot of different things that we weren't privy to before. So we see um just society in in shambles and also uh taking pleasure in the fact that they don't love. So you you see mankind's like uh obviously God has seen this before, right? But we again, because of uh social media and being privy to this now, we get a glimpse of what God already sees uh perfectly, right? And we see in society today just this joy, finding joy in hate, finding a joy in not forgiving. It's a culture of of wrath, a culture of I don't forgive. God may forgive, I but I don't type of thing, right? That's the that's the mindset of the day. And so again, I say that to say this. It's interesting the timing in which all these things are occurring. Supposedly, or very much so, it seems to be a lie that's coming in in correlation to what you said concerning uh 1 Thessalonians. The timing of that line, that lie, is ripe for the society in which we live today. It just seems so well put together. And so, in one sense, I am not surprised at all the timing uh that's occurring right now with regards to what we're seeing on the news, what we're seeing via the leaders we just mentioned. I just think it's really interesting, man, and it kind of lends to what you're saying about loves, because we're in a time where people are boasting about not being loving, man. So I just find it very interesting that that the time seems right for a lie because people are ripe for a lie. They because they love not the truth and they boast in that reality. Do you see what I'm saying there?

Abductions, Occult Parallels, And Jesus’ Name

SPEAKER_03 25:31

Yeah, yeah, it's the philosophy of of uh relativism and postmodernism, the these shifts in the global zeitgeist, the global consciousness that have shifted us into a place where I feel like I'm a cat, so you need to recognize me as a cat. And you know, I I got testimonies of folks from uh city a number of miles south from us here. And that, you know, we're in in the left coast California, where um the schools are putting cat boxes in the school because kids say that they're cats. Like that that kind of a society, that kind of a mentality does not love truth. They center the locus of truth in the self, and so the self becomes the center of all things. And when the self becomes the center of all things, you cannot love. Love requires an object. So you all you do is love yourself, which really isn't love at all. Love love is demonstrated, the highest form in sacrifice and and you know, pouring out for other people.

SPEAKER_04 26:32

So um which exactly is the point that it says in uh again, Thessalonians, they will be lovers of themselves. So the timing in which these people exhibit that sort of reality. Now, to be fair, selfishness has always been the case since the biting of the fruit, right? But again, it seems to me, because we live in a time where we're privy to um just a myriad of information because of social media, and so we can see what's going on in different places simultaneously almost. It seems to me that we're back in a time where just the rise of self-love is at the core or is at the precipice, whereas before it might have been in an in a different time, let's say 80s, 90s, etc.

SPEAKER_03 27:06

Yeah, and we said that this rise of self-love is one of the the indicators of the end times. And I think Daniel's um Daniel's statement, he says knowledge will run in the end, knowledge will run to and fro and increase. And this social uh media thing with the internet and shared stuff means that we've got a global psyche right now, you know, called the spirit of the age. We've got a global zeitgeist where where everything is experienced by everybody at the same time when it didn't used to be like that. There was no unity in that, and now there is.

SPEAKER_04 27:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

Terrifying. Let's get a question going. Ready?

SPEAKER_03 27:44

A great question. So um I used to take the real quick.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Uh what is the difference between fallen angels, demons, and the giants of gen 6, and how does it apply to the alien phenomenon? Go for it.

Hybridization, Seed War, And Genesis 3–6

Stars, Host Of Heaven, And Powers

Extraterrestrial Vs Interdimensional Problems

SPEAKER_03 27:57

That's a huge thing to unpack. Um, but I I used to take the position that fallen angels uh were demons. That that was the position that I took, and it, you know, just the my cursory reading of the scripture. Um, but in studying these things over the last number of years, uh, I have come to the position that demons are not fallen angels. They're they're they are two entirely different things. And here's the reason why. Number one, the second temple Jew believed that uh it's uh the false alien deception that's coming, Mark. The second temple Jew believed that the demons that were on the face of the planet were the deceased spirits of the Nephilim, the the offspring of angels and humans in Genesis chapter six. So how does that connect? Number one, the the book of first Enoch says so. Uh number two, in the New Testament, there is a phraseology that Jesus uses concerning um uh or that the the gospel writers use concerning um demons, and it says the the spirit of an unclean demon. Okay, and the term there is bastard spirit. So the the idea of unclean is a Levitical idea where you've got four categories. You've got clean, you've got unclean, you've got holy, and you've got uh unholy or common. And the the phraseology there, the the bastard spirit or the unclean spirit is exactly the language of the Levitical understanding of mixture, two things that should not be mixed. That God is like, This is this is not okay. And it's meant to convey cosmic space, holy space, where where profane things are supposed to go, where holy things are supposed to go, and all categories of everything in existence fall into one of those four ideas of clean, unclean, holy, and common. And um, the phraseology of an unclean spirit, spirit of an unclean demon, directly connects to the the Jewish understanding of a mixed spirit. Well, the only thing that that that qualifies for that category is the idea that demons are the deceased spirits of the Nephilim. Further, in the Old Testament, the term Rephaeim in in the plural or Rapha in the singular is connected in several places, uh, five or six different places, to the denizens of the afterlife. So when it when you read in English the shades of Sheol or this kind of a language, the term is Rephaim, which is a term for the giants of of Genesis 6 after after the flood. So the Old Testament language presents that these demons or the these spirits of these deceased Rephaim and Nephilim are still cognizant as denizens of hell, and they are different than the fallen angels that that produced them when it comes to Genesis chapter six. So that that is that position. It is an orthodox position, it is not an unorthodox position, it is acceptable within orthodoxy. Someone can believe or not believe that, they can believe that demons are fallen angels too. Both of those are reconcilable with a good biblical hermeneutic and a good biblical doctrine. I've come to that position over time. I did not hold that originally. Um, and then the question is, how does it uh connect to the alien phenomenon? Now, the the interesting thing is that when you look at the um the the not the morphology, but the um the uh pathology of what's happening with the alien abductions, these things, their effect on the humans that they're abducting, or their effects after they've abducted these humans, are classic possession phenomenon. Like it's no different. When they are channeling these spirits, it's classic possession phenomenon. So the indicators is that these demons, these spirits, are putting on a different face. We already know that the the pantheons of the old testament, the the Baal, the the Milcom, the um uh uh Shimosh, these these other spirits, Deuteronomy 32 in Deuteronomy chapter 4 says that they are fallen Elohim, but they're not locked away in Tartarus like the ones from Genesis 6. So whether it's a demonic spirit or whether it's a fallen angelic spirit, it's all from the satanic demonic realm. And the way that they interface with humans is the same that they've historically interfaced with humans. Further, when you look at the information that comes from these encounters, it's always anti-Christian. They're they're good with these other religions, but when it comes to Jesus, they're either going to recast Jesus in a different light than historic Christianity, or they're going to bag on historic Christianity. Why are you picking a fight with historic Christianity, but none of the other religions? Why are you and then they use language that is historically Christian, like the uh Orantian text is a 5,000-page script that was delivered through automatic writing. So this person gets possessed by what they believe is an alien entity spiritually, and then they do automatic writing, which is you, you know, open up a piece of paper and you just disconnect and you let it write through you, and you you write like this. And that text is 5,000 pages of that. That's pretty, pretty insane, but it is patently anti-Christian in its worldview and its theology, and the spirit is often using terms that Yahweh applies to himself as applying to it. I am the great I am, I am your creator, we are your creators. And so the the for the discerning person, you see very clearly that the the pathology of what these alien things are doing, and and they're not from another planet, what they're doing is um, I know I keep seeing them disappear when he goes back like this too. Um their pathology is the same as historic demonic encounters um through throughout history. I think the last component is the my my personal studies, early 2000s. I'm in Bible school and you know, I'm I'm debating people, I'm doing apologetics, I'm I'm you know, getting in conversations with with Mormons online and Muslims and you know, all this other stuff, trying to share my faith, all this stuff. And the conversation about uh in particular with the Mormons starts coming up because Mormons, when when you look at at their um theology, they do believe in extraterrestrial stuff on other planets, and you're supposed to get your own in you know the celestial heavens or whatever and populate that. And so for them, the alien phenomenon really fits into their theology. And by the way, a lot of the money that's behind the private industry in the alien uh stuff that's happening right now is from Mormons. The present, the present owner of Skinwalker Ranch, the that was a the Bradford Ranch, I think is what's called saying the present owner is a Mormon. And all of their staff that they have there that's researching stuff, like like 80 or 90 percent of them are Mormon. So uh forgot what he's gone anyway. Oh, um, so I'm studying and I'm I'm debating these people, and I begin to research the alien phenomenon and find a guy named Joe Jordan. And I've actually thought about inviting him here on the podcast, so maybe we should do that. Um, and he's got a very interesting history where he he was working for MUFON Mutual UFO Network, and he ends up becoming a Christian uh after he starts working for the UFO Network. He had a stint in New Age practices and stuff as well, which is pretty interesting how close the New Age realm and the alien phenomenon dovetail with each other in occultism. He uh he's examining sightings of craft, but every once in a while he stumbles on an abduction experience. And so they're not getting anywhere with the sightings on the craft. It's you know, oh, we saw this, or we saw this, and you know, 90% of what people think they see in the sky is misidentification, it's a weather balloon, it's an astronomical thing, it's uh a meteor, it's you know, known technology just misidentified. And so there's a large body of data concerning these sightings that is absolutely explainable, and you know, we're we're not interested in trying to make something that it's not, but then there's this 10% that is completely unexplainable. So he's doing this research. Every once in a while he finds in the um the abduction test, the abduction case, he gets saved and he's going back over the stuff, and he realizes as he's reviewing the abduction scenarios, that every once in a while in the abduction scenarios, he comes across a case where the abduction phenomenon is stopped in the name of Jesus. Yeah. And you're like, is anybody paying attention? So he tried to take this to the UFO community because he's actually respecting the UFO community. He's done, you know, stuff at the the Roswell conferences and you know, UFO con whatever stuff, and uh, and they don't they don't want to release this information. They're like, this threatens our worldview, and we really don't know what to do with it. And so so he begins to compile these. And by the time I had stumbled across them in like 2003, 2004, he had over 400 cases um where this was uh where these uh events were stopped. And now today he's got over 600, I believe. And he's he's even some of the people who were on like the ancient alien series on like AE and the History Channel, those people have come to him, got saved, and now no longer are are in that world at all because they're they're getting set free. And the indication is actually the whole thing is occultic. And so that that settled the issue for me. Okay, uh if if these things are obeying the name of Jesus, and by the way, obeying the name of Jesus is somebody who's in right relationship with Jesus, because there are there are people who are not in right relationship with Jesus who try to use the name of Jesus. Hello, seven sons of Skeva acts. Yep. Who demons don't obey even if they use the name of Jesus. Right. So so that sealed it for me. So I I hope that that's uh it's kind of a long explanation, uh, Mr. E. Lefoe, but that that's how I see them connected. I and and my present position is that the alien deception is is going to uh going to segue into the return of the gods of old, um, especially with some of the data that's coming out, uh, the shift in they're no no longer thinking they're extraterrestrial, but but in hi, non-human intelligence that are uh interdimensional and then some of these these these beings identifying themselves with the names and and such of old pantheons like Hathor, which is an Egyptian goddess, um, is is huge in in this realm. So so I I present and and you know, by the way, guys, until this stuff starts happening, this this is you know this is this is a rabbit hole that you need to be careful of. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 39:43

Don't be building any churches.

SPEAKER_03 39:45

For real. By the way, did you know did I tell you there's alien churches in Los Angeles? I'm not surprised. There are, and they're they're channeling spirits and they're like giving them technology that'll make them live. I mean, it's dude, it's crazy. Yeah, pretty crazy. So that that's that's the answer for me. Uh uh, Mr. E. Lefoe. Um, Zane, you got thoughts on how it all connects to Genesis 6 and stuff?

SPEAKER_00 40:08

Yeah, for me it's um, you know, it's about genetics, right? And I think we lost you, bud. I think I'm struggling with my internet here, so hopefully you guys can hear me, but I'm gonna keep talking. Yeah, there we go. Go ahead and go start over. Yeah, we got to for me, it's it it what I see is the correlation between the old and the new and what's happening now is is essentially genetics. Like it's it seems like it's always been in that realm for me. You know, when I'm studying, you know, and listening to old testimonies of alien abduction, it's always there's always a reproductive angle, right? Where there's tampering with people's reproductive systems, there's you know, uh reproductive material being taken, there's all kinds of uh strange genetic experiments that have been happening, you know, it seems, um, from these testimonies.

SPEAKER_03 40:52

You know the same problem I'm having? Oh, they're yeah, we lost you for a second.

SPEAKER_00 40:55

Yeah, it's it's it's it's bugging out, man. Uh we're on it.

SPEAKER_02 40:59

See what see what happens, bro? Like when when exactly flat because we're we're talking about this stuff. They don't know.

End‑Times Deception And Staying Unshaken

SPEAKER_00 41:08

Yeah. So and then the way it relates it to the ancient times is it's like, you know, this is a hybridization program, is Genesis 6. That's what this is. It's like you're you're combining humans with other forms of genetics. And uh those two correlate, you know, big time to me. So there's definitely uh a demonic component when it comes to to the tampering with genetics, the interest in genetics that comes from these uh whatever they may be, um, these demonic uh things that are tampering with us. But um I think that you know we what's interesting to me is like coming from a secular position and uh you know, as far as my spirituality and stuff like that, in the new age perspective, also the starseed phenomenon that goes on with the new age as well, like you were talking about, those two merge perfectly. It was very easy for me to accept that that aliens were real because I've been into this stuff forever. I've seen lights in the sky myself, I've had I've had strange stuff happen. So I was always looking to put an answer to those questions that I had. And I would go to you know, coast to coast and all of the earlier things in the internet and things like that when stuff started to come out and listen to these these stories. So it was easy for me to accept. I never really rejected it, you know, because I'd had experiences, but then it always seemed really complex because if you have you know thousands of different star systems, um, all kinds of interactions, diplomacy, all this wild stuff. And it's like now I'm a Christian and let's just keep it simple and let's just cut let's just call the whole thing a demonic deception and start there because then we're not, you know, we're not out in the we're not in the weeds with it, right? We can start there and then start to dissect, you know, dissect a lot of this stuff and then start to see very clearly that like maybe it does all relate to uh Genesis six. And maybe we can start there and start to kind of see what's happening, you know. Um kind of marks, I guess reverse engineer, you know, the whole you know, uh phenomenon and understand it from that perspective. Um and one other thing, I hope they can hear me now, but uh I'm sure you know, I don't know. It it's again, we're right over the target. But um I think the what I wanted to ask about too um extra biblically, the fallen angels tampered with genetics, right? There is just so everyone knows your voice like two weeks into that at all, or do we want to stay away from this?

SPEAKER_03 43:26

He's recording that. I'm just saying it. So let me read this in a in a in a biblical worldview, k the this idea of a breeding program and all that stuff. It's crazy and it sounds insane. But here's what you need to understand this is actually what the first century Jew and the first century Christian believed. Yes, the idea that Genesis 6 is not angelic did not did not come until the fourth century, but first by a guy named Julius Africanus, and then second from St. Augustine. Prior. To Julius Africanus and prior to St. Augustine, this idea of fallen angelic beings that slept with human females and produced an offspring of giants called the Nephilim was the consensus of the Jew and the Christian. Right. When you look at Jude and when you look at um Peter, Second Peter in particular, that is the worldview underneath what they are talking about concerning the angels that are locked in Tartarus. So when it comes to these conversations about a breeding program, when we discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls, guys, 18 the 1940 to 50 block was a shift in in the earth that a lot of people don't know about. Israel becomes a state, World War II is happening, we drop the atom bomb, and we've got the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and this is when the alien phenomenon with Rockhead explodes on the face of the planet.

SPEAKER_00 45:00

And the OSS became the CIA in 47.

Balancing Wretchedness And Righteousness

SPEAKER_03 45:03

Yep. So you've got all this stuff, all these streams converging into this one block of time. And in the Dead Sea Scrolls, we discover what's called the Book of Giants. We discover what's called the Book of Jasher. We discover all of this stuff that represents the thought of the Essenes and the Second Temple Jew who came out of the Babylon Babylonian exile, who believed that demons were the deceased spirits of the Nephilim, who believed that these uh fallen angels and the Nephilim of Genesis 6 were experimenting with hybridization programs. And when you look at the alien phenomenon, one one of the things that's regular concerning, in particular, the abduction element, it's always sexual. It's always messing with the sexual organs. It's always, and so here's how it roots biblically it is the seed war. What do you have in Genesis chapter 3? You have God telling the serpent, the Nahash, which is not a normal serpent, by the way, because Eden is not a normal place. Eden is heaven, is is a like a crossover zone. When you look at Ezekiel, it says Eden was on the mountain of God, which is supernatural language. Eden is a place where the supernatural and the natural coincide. So God's walking with Adam, Adam's there, etc. So this Nahash, this serpent figure that comes up and starts talking to Eve, dude, she's not surprised. She's not, she's not undone. She's not like, wait a second, Snake's don't talk. She she's not doing well. What does that lead you to to infer that this thing is not normal, and she's already talked to it before, probably, and these beings exist in that zone. God then judges both her and the serpent, but he leaves what we call the proto-evangelium, which is the first statement of the gospel, the first promise of the gospel that her seed and the seed of the serpent, think about that, guys. How does a supernatural being have seed? All right, hmm. Her seed and the seed of the serpent will have consistent war with each other, but there will be one from her line that will crush the head of the serpent, though the serpent will bruise his heel. That sets off the entire narrative, overarching supernatural narrative of the Bible. Abraham, what's the promises to? It's his seed. Genesis chapter 6. What are these beings trying to do? They are trying to breed out the seed with their own seed, imprinting their own image on the seed of the woman. What happens in Genesis chapter 11? It is the rebellion and the recovery of what God wiped out with the flood is happening again with Nimrod in the tower. All of this stuff is what they believed. That traces through the entire Bible. Why? Because eventually the seed of Abraham's gonna come. And that seed, according to Galatians, is Christ, and he is the serpent seed crusher. Amen. And what are they doing all the way up until that point? They are trying to figure out how to stop God's promise from their destruction.

SPEAKER_00 48:19

Still are.

SPEAKER_04 48:21

Amen.

SPEAKER_00 48:21

Right? So we have genetic programs that are in these extra-biblical texts. We have an association between angels and the stars. Can you tell me a little bit about that?

Purity, Mission, And Whole‑Hearted Obedience

SPEAKER_03 48:32

Yeah, pretty typical. The um regular connection between what's called the host of heaven. When we hear the host of heaven, we think stars and planets. But the Hebrew term is sabah and it means armies. So when it talks about the host of heaven, Deuteronomy chapter 4 speaks about the host of heaven and the sun and the moon and the stars, and it connects them directly to the angelic realm as the false gods that the pagans were worshiping, uh, and connects it directly to Genesis chapter 11 and the the event of the Tower of Babel. And then Deuteronomy 32, verse 8 does the same thing. So the idea that these planetary bodies are connected to supernatural entities is all over the the ancient world. It's you know, Jupiter is a spirit, Jupiter's also a planet, Mars is a spirit, Mars is also a planet. They can they connected these things, sun worship, all this stuff, they connected them to supernatural beings. So when you see statements like stars, in particular in the book of Revelation, he is Jesus is the one who holds the seven stars in his hand, and the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches. The the connection between supernatural beings and um, lack of a better term, the second heaven or the first heavens firmament and uh astronomical bodies and such is pretty clear, not just biblically, but also um in the ancient Near Eastern context of which the Bible's written. So that that parallel is clear.

SPEAKER_04 50:14

No, man, um, you guys that are resident uh uh scholars on these matters, man, I'm I'm more in line curious to find out you know where we're going with this, man, because um I just need my popcorn ready.

Final Exhortations And Event Announcements

SPEAKER_03 50:26

We can't ready to watch it. All right, so let's let's talk about uh uh uh for the equipping of the church, uh a couple of reasons. What the if this disclosure comes, that's being rumored to come, that they're meeting with church leaders over the there's gonna be two things that are said about them the potential that they are extraterrestrial, and then the the growing consensus that they're actually interdimensional. Interdimensional grooves exactly with the Bible. Extraterrestrial is problematic, and here's the reason why extraterrestrial is problematic. Number one, if these things are extraterrestrial, that means that they got physical bodies like us. They they dwell in this kind of uh in this realm that way, etc. And so the the contention that they have a body like us is very problematic when it comes to transversing um time and space. So the distances from Earth to even our nearest um uh planetary bodies that that could sustain carbon-based life forms is is huge distances. So being able to traverse that is is a very small possibility. Secondarily, when we see these things doing what they're doing in the in our atmosphere, they are exhibiting right angles at four and five thousand miles an hour, which if there is a physical body inside of that thing like ours, like a uh a body like ours, because there is a spiritual body, read first Corinthians chapter 15, guys. There is such a thing as a spiritual body. People who have died and gone to heaven will tell you that they had a body, not like ours, but they did have a body. So if there is a physical body like ours, meaning it it is it is uh a physical extra extraterrestrial from a civilization that's you know millions of years older than ours, and so they're they're more evolved, which is where that hypothesis goes, is it's based on evolution, then we've got problems with what we see them do in the atmosphere because it would turn a natural body into jelly. Yes. Now, you can hypothesize that they have technology that allows them to do that, and there is stuff out there concerning what's called zero-point energy and the ability to make a a physical body go in in speeds like that and in angles like that. So so that aperture, that possibility is open. But the bigger problem biblically is that if these things are physical beings from another planet, we've got theological problems. And that problem is this wherever we look in the universe, we see entropy. And for those who don't know what entropy is, this is the second law of thermodynamic thermodynamics, a closed system is depleting in energy all the time, it's not gaining energy, and so entropy is this idea that everything is inevitably winding down, it is slowing down and will eventually become inert with no more energy inside of it. Everywhere we look, we see entropy. Well, what is entropy biblically? It's the effect of sin. Yep. Adam's sins, this entire created order of the heavens and the earth that we experience and we see is plunged underneath Adam's sin. Romans chapter 8. The entire creation groans, awaiting the revealing of the sons and daughters of God, in so that it can be set free into the liberty of the sons and daughters of God. So we we see that the created order, the entirety of it, is affected, whether it's here or a planet 10 billion miles away. Entropy is is happening. Well, what does that mean? That means that if these beings are extraterrestrial on another planet, they're affected by our sin. That's a problem. If Jesus is going to save them, either one, wow, either one, he has to incarnate in their planet, in their image, in order to redeem them. But the problem is they're under the effects of Adam's sin. Right. So Jesus did not come as an extraterrestrial, he came as a man to save men. Amen. Hebrews 2. Right. So so we've got a problem. That means that they're going to be affected by our sin. Well, if you contend that, then either Jesus needs to incarnate as one of them to save them, or they've got to come to humans for salvation, and that's a whole host of problems because there's only one mediator between God and it's not me, and it's not you. Amen. So this idea of of um of being a salvific mediator, like like the Roman Catholic Church says about Mary in her role as co-redemptrix, it is not biblical.

SPEAKER_05 55:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:32

So so what we've got theological issues, we've got science issues when it comes to just Newtonian physics, and then the consensus of those who are studying this in the government is they believe actually they've been here the whole time and they're interdimensional, and that's where the conversation is going. So how does the church respond? You had better know your savior, amen. You had better know your savior because Matthew, Matthew chapter 24, says that there is a system of uh lying signs and wonders, dovetails with Revelation chapter 13, the system of the beast, where lying signs and wonders are coming to deceive. Here's Matthew's language, if possible, even the elect. Do the math. That means every single person who has any sort of semblance of a relationship with Jesus, from those who've got a very little relationship with Jesus to those who are are fully blood-bought, those who are are experimenting, dating the church, trying to figure out if they really want to do the Christian thing, all the way to those who are are blood-bought saints, are going to be presented with a deception. Here, here's the deception. And if there's something inside of you that can be bought, you will be bought. Yeah. So how do you keep that? Love the right thing. Yeah. Love Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 56:56

How do you love Jesus? You get to know Jesus. Spend some time on his word, spend some time with people with his people. Mostly his word, though, because his people don't add up sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 57:06

It's there too. It is, it is, it is time in prayer. That is how you develop the the communal intimacy with him. It is time in his word. That is how your mind is washed to think the way he thinks, to acclimate yourself to what his voice is like so that when he speaks to you, you know it. Spend time in getting to know doctrine because the promotion of this stuff is going to come through false doctrine. What did Terry mention earlier? The doctrine of demons of the demonic realm. Spend time in prayer, spend time in the words, spend time in fellowship. We need each other, even if the body doesn't measure up the way that it should.

SPEAKER_04 57:48

Amen.

SPEAKER_03 57:49

Here's the promise of the scripture: Revelation 19. There is coming a day when she will be dressed in pure and spotless robes, and you need to be a part of that company. And that that process to get those pure and spotless robes is happening right now. So the reason why we're seeing all this stuff exploding about sexual sin in the church and and and all of the these moral failures and people stealing money. And and dude, I saw one earlier. A worship pastor quit at a church where the senior pastor was accused of murdering his wife. Wow. Why? Because judgment begins in the house of God. Amen. God is cleaning up his people. Amen. So be a part of the people whom he is getting his bride ready, man. I love it. I love it. 100%. And plus, dude, what does Daniel say? Those who know their God will do great exploits.

SPEAKER_04 58:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:40

Talk about one of the coolest verses ever. Amen. You you often quote that too. You're absolutely right, man. Dude. Or the the other one in Daniel, those who know their God, the saints of the Most High, will shine like the stars of the heavens. So you want to talk about glowing? I mean, dude. This end time stuff is it's not scary. I mean, it's it is in in it's not scary, it is sobering.

SPEAKER_04 59:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:05

But it is also super exciting.

SPEAKER_04 59:08

Very much so. Very much so. And and telling too, eye-opening, man. You know, I love our show because we without planning, we seem to always connect. Like the last show connects to the new show, and so forth and so forth. So on. And I remember one of our shows, man, we talked about the necessity for the believers to like grow in love for one another. And again, this dovetails into what we're talking about today, because the problem uh as to why people are believing the lies, because they lost their love, namely their first love, and then the love that connects to God, the love of one another. And as soon as that occurs, man, like you said a moment ago, and this is really telling, I feel, is you will, if there's something in you, as you said, that that that wants to be bought, you will in fact be bought, man. And that's very terrifying, sobering. Uh, so many things I could put there, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:52

Yeah, and I'll, you know, just share my own testimony. Like I I've seen God raise brain-dead people, I've seen him cast out devils, I've I've seen cancer healed, we've seen AIDS healed, we've seen genetic change on a on a or molecular change on a genetic level, you know, blind eyes open. Like we've seen this stuff, okay? And so so when I'm in in ministry, I'm I'm not a doubting guy. Like, you know, I I wrestle with the stuff that everyone wrestles with in the sense of, you know, oh, I know God can do it, but will he do it when I pray? Like that's a thing. And so, so you know, I wrestle with that kind of stuff. But when it comes to the existence of God, like I'm I'm smoked, bro. I I'm done. Like there's nothing I can do. I know he's real. Amen. And about um six or seven months ago, no, it was longer than that. Um, yeah, it's been no, it's been about about a about two years now. Yeah, because it was before October 7th. Um, I was walking through my house, and this thought landed in in me, and it was, what if he's not real? And I'm like, what? Yeah, like I was no way, like, really, like you gotta be kidding me. And so, so I start like rebuking the devil and stuff, and and uh, and you know, that's gotta be the devil, like that's not me, you know. Yeah, there comes idolatry, watch this. And I'm like, I'm like, dude, there's that's not me, bro. Like, no way. So I'm rebuking the devil, I'm rebuking the devil, and you know, I know the math. If I'm in order and I'm on mission, the devil's gotta listen full stop. Like, unless God, unless God's doing something different, like allowing him, like the devil's gotta listen. If you're on in order and on mission, the the kingdom that you are backed by the kingdom of God. So, so I'm like rebuking the devil and it's not going away. And so I I after like a day, I'm like, what's going on? Dude, that's in me. Yeah, yeah. Wait, what? Yeah, and I went next door, dude, to the church, and I just fell on my face and I stayed in the sanctuary just by myself, nobody else around. And I told the Lord, I said, God, you either need to kill me and take me home, or you need to change me. Because that that I know where that leads. And if that doesn't leave, it will lead me to walk away from you. Yeah, and I don't want to walk away from you. Amen. So you either you either kill me now and take me home, or you change me, because I can't I can't do that. And this is what he said, and it was it it it kind of came from behind me because I remember when he said it, I turned, I kind of turned around and was like, What? What he said was, Were you surprised that was there? And I turned around and I'm like, Yeah, yeah, like I thought I was over this, like and he goes, he says, I wasn't, and I just hit my face, dude, and and I just began to weep, and I was like, You are so gracious, and you were so merciful. And I realized, why was he doing that? He was doing that to get out of me the stuff that needs to be out of me for what's coming. Wow, because if something like that is there, it it makes me a vessel that the dross isn't out of. Yes, yes, well said, and and in order to be what I need to be for what's coming, I can't have any dross. Amen. You know, I got standard kind of spoilers or whatever, you know, I'm you know, overweight, and I like ice cream, you know, whatever. But the you know, I'm I'm not gonna look at ice cream and be like, deny Jesus. But if if I've been, you know, wrestling with the thought of whether God even exists or not, and somebody's like, deny him, or I'm cutting off your head, I'm gonna drift into the okay, sure. Now I know I I can never deny him. And that was his grace, and that was his way of making me unshakable, making me unmovable. But but we really got to get that stuff out of us, guys. I told you to go and listen to the idolatry podcast. Like the the reason why we we we challenge those things, and the reason why we figure out what they are and tear them down is because we want to be vessels suitable for use for the master. Amen. That's what we want. Amen.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:59

And I love what you said though. I'll say this real quick. It sounds to me like David in the Psalms when he says, Do not take your Holy Spirit from me, there's something uh I think in each in every genuine believer where they are cognizant of, as Paul says in Romans 9, there is nothing good that dwells in my in me that is in my flesh, right? And so even though we may have been walking with the Lord for, let's say, uh X amount of years, whatever the years are, there is a reality that we too could be like Peter. I think we're all we all could be like Peter and deny the Lord and even deny him by not believing him. And it's only by, as you said, by the grace of God that keeps us. And I will say this as a hopefully as a as a means of um encouraging believers who are listening. If there's something in you that wants to love the Lord, that's all that's necessary, man. He yeah, he he is so gracious, he is so merciful, abounding in mercy, wonderful in his steadfast love, that he would, as he himself says, anyone who comes to me, even with your doubts, etc., he will by no means cast down. And so go, go, go, and tell him. Tell him I am struggling with faith right now. Too many things are occurring simultaneously, uh, that that that that's pressing against my my my ability to believe. So show me because I want to. And if you if you want him, I can assure you he wants you infinitely more. And that's all that's necessary. A small, messed it, uh, as he puts it, mustard seed sides of faith, and go with him with that, and you'll be okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:25

Yeah, he promises in Jeremiah, when you search for me with all your heart, then I will be found by you. And if you're for real with him, he's gonna be absolutely being with you.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:33

A bruised reed, he will not, how does it how does the scripture put it? Break. Yep, and a smoldering flag. So if you're a smoldering wick, like uh like we all are sometimes, he will not put out go to it. Go to it.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:43

For those who don't know what that means, it means a a match about to burn out or a candle that's about to go out. Yes. Yes, okay, and a bruised reed is like a think of a of a of a broken reed, how it's weak and in the weakest spot and easy, easy to break the reed. And he says he He will come. Listen, it glorifies God to for him to demonstrate himself as strong and faithful on behalf of them who will depend on him and throw themselves on him. Praise God. Amen. Scripture says this. Now you gotta mean it. So you know, don't don't be playing games with them, but but but absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:32

Um just uh to put a uh an additional aspect to Terrence's exhortation. Um there is a delicate balance between Paul's statement at the end of his life where he says, I am the chiefest of sinners, and the uh the uh I am the righteousness of Christ walking on the face of the planet. And we were having this conversation of Bible study a couple a couple of weeks ago. And and here's the math people are so concerned about their identity in the Lord, and identity in the Lord is important, and so you've got one side that's like, no, we need to focus on on the the glory of God and and the the born-again ability to overcome sin. And they're right. And you got another side that says, No, we need to, we need to continue to remember our sinfulness, and and it helps us to to be grateful and be thankful and position us for forgiveness and awakens love. And they're right. So, so how do you balance that? And I think the right balance is Isaiah chapter six, and he says this he says, In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord high and lifted up, and the train of Israel is filled the temple with glory. And so you've got this very demonstrative, charismatic, Pentecostal, visionary experience by Isaiah in which he sees the Lord in his glory. And by the way, John will tell us later, I think it's John 7, that he saw Christ. Amen. So he who he saw was the preincarnate son, and this revelation of glory and beauty and the seraphim and their declaration of holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty. And then immediately Isaiah is like, that's amazing. And then he looks down and he's like, This is not. And what does he say? He says, Woe is me. I like the King James, I am undone. Yeah, I am a man of unclean lips and from a people of unclean lips. Yeah, and so he sees his condition. He doesn't parse it, he doesn't try to say, Oh, I'm of the people of God and I'm a son of God, and I'm not that's not what he does. Yeah, he doesn't, he doesn't drift into, oh, we need to focus on on the light, and it's no, he he is listen, God is truthful. And if your condition is you need to change, you better be truthful about your own condition, or you're not gonna change. Yeah, be undone. 100%. Yeah, the undone leads to the confession, and the confession leads to the forgiveness of sins. And the angel takes the tongue, takes fire from the throne of God, from the throne of God. Like, that's cool. And he comes and he purges, that's right, purges the place of the confession. Yep. Pay attention, guys. It wasn't a generic confession, it wasn't a a like there have been some confessions lately in the public sphere that have been like, maybe I hurt somebody at some time, and I'm kind of sorry if maybe you were offended. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Specific. Yes, amen. I am a man of unclean lips, and I'm from a people of unclean lips, and the place of that confession, God comes and takes it away, purifies it. And then watch this the place of that confession becomes the place where God uses him. Amen. He hears the Lord say this Whom shall I send and who will go for us? Yes. Watch Isaiah's response.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:47

Not, oh, I'm a dirty, rotten sinner. God doesn't love me. How could he use me? He doesn't do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:54

What does he say? Watch this. Guys, he has no concern for himself in that moment. His only focus is I want to do what God wants to do. Amen. We are so consumed with our identity. Oh, I'm a son of the kingdom, I'm a daughter of the kingdom, and and that stuff is is fine. But listen, it's basic. Amen. His vision is not filled with his identity and waffling over how sin affects or doesn't affect or how to get away from a negative self-image or or all this like the stuff the oh you gotta forgive yourself. Hogwash. What is he consumed with? God and God's will. Mission. Yeah. Get about your father's business. Amen. Well said. And if you will get about your father's business and stop worrying about the stuff on identity or the stuff on this, that or the next, or oh, I'm a sinner, or you know, God calls me a saint, or God calls you to reach the lost. Amen. Do that. Yeah. Be so taken with his purpose that you've got no thought to yourself. Yeah. Yeah. And if you have no thought to yourself, you're owned by his kingdom, you hear his voice, and you operate in that direction. And praise Jesus because guess what? I do suck. So I don't want to.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:16

Amen. Amen.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:19

The irony there in that statement. Right. So here's the math, guys. Paul, Paul says, and in as he's he's getting ready to die, he's writing the epistle of the prison epistles, the pastoral epistles. It is a true and trustworthy statement. I am the chiefest of sinners. And it's in the present active participle. That means that at that moment, the end of his life, he's already planted all these churches, he's already written all the scripture, he's already done all this stuff in the gospel at the end of his life. His present consideration of himself is I'm the worst.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:52

Yet he calls people saints. Yeah, Corinthians. All the time. Yeah. And the Corinthians were bad. Absolutely. My point, yeah. They were messed up. And he's like, You're saints and beloved of God. The Bible presents both, and it doesn't seek to solve that tension. So for us to error on this side or on this side, it's faulty.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:15

Well said. Here's the interesting thing about all of that, bro. Even in light of what we're talking about, you know, concerning faith and concerning uh coming lies and all of this, listen to what Jesus says in regards to the end times too. But when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith? What is the implication there? Will anybody believe what Jesse is saying? Will anybody believe that though you be a sinner, worse than the Apostle Paul, or even in the same throng as the Apostle Paul, that you are justified, forgiven, and loved and on your way to glory? Will you believe that in so much that you can give up your life to do his will? Or will you start to think there's no way he could love me and therefore get, you know, preoccupied with your own desires? That's always the rub. That's always the rub in every generation, especially our own, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:58

Yeah, for sure. I got a quote here I want to read. Um, and it's blaze pastel. Paspel. Yeah. He says this knowing God without knowing our own wretchedness makes for pride. Indeed. Knowing our own wretchedness without knowing God makes for despair. Common vernacular, depression. Knowing Jesus Christ strikes the balance because he shows us both God and our own wretchedness. Well said. In the person and work of Jesus on the cross, he shows both the wretchedness of the sinner whose sin is being paid for, and the magnificent of the magnificence of the love of God who will save the sinner who will just trust and believe him. Amen. Amen. Amen. Beautiful. Okay. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:51

The title is beautiful. Frozen picture is all I got. I thought uh an a-dimensional being came and got you, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:59

Well, I started to ask the right questions and then it took off. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:04

We got some closing thoughts. Let's hear it. You've been listening to the case.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:09

Yeah, yeah. If I'm if y'all can hear, I I I like how this rounded out because I think you know what we are looking for is a a strong Christian who lives in victory, uh, but one who is not weighed down by pride or or distracted by pride. Um, just like that quote said, and I think the the other side of that, yeah, you know, focusing too much on our sinful nature becomes you know, vic the spirit of victimhood takes over, too. Right. And that's a big one in society right now, too. People are very, very prone to become victims and to want to whine and complain and grumble. And I think that that, you know, we talked a little bit about balance last night, interestingly, too. And there's there's little to no balance in the Christian life because we're at war, right? However, I think striking balance between the the dual nature of ourselves is a really important thing to remember that we live in victory, but also that we are prone to sin in our souls, and our souls are completely can easily, completely be distracted by the world and easily be can be become completely derailed off of our walk and uh you know our living by the will of the Lord because our souls are weak, our souls are just driven toward craving and and and all of the things of the world. So I really like that, and I think that that empowers uh the body in definitely in the face of what we discussed in the br in the first part, right? So there's this deception happening that's now making its its landfall in the mainstream to where people who've never looked into this stuff are starting to look into this stuff. And some of them are Christians. You know, you have a lot of you have a lot of Christians who aren't spiritual who don't live who who you know have have glossed over, you know, uh Genesis six and have never not given it two thoughts that are starting to see these things come to light. And I think making those connections is really, really important. And I like what we talked about about you know the genetic programs, about um angels coming from the stars, these things have deep correlations with what we're looking at in the in the U UFO phenomena. You have groups of beings that could very well be hybrids, chimera, if you will, that are claiming to be from certain areas of our known universe. And if you had a say you had an angelic identity that fell from that place and identifies with, say, the Pleiades or Um, some of these places that these groups are coming to, you know, saying that they they're coming from, and you had that very same intelligence create a group of beings, of course they're gonna say they came from that part of the galaxy, because the angelic father of them came from that part of the galaxy. You know what I'm saying? So there's a lot of interesting implications here that you know we can go on all very, very deep rabbit holes with these. But I think above all, it's it's about the Christian facing these things you know from a place of victory and recognizing that you know the blood of Christ is all over us. We don't have to be deceived by these things, and uh and uh we can walk worthy.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:57

Amen. The uh the live stream saying that they're not hearing you again. So hopefully it it it uh picks up on the recorder. I want to check that later. Um, yeah, I guys, the deception is real, it's coming, and you know, it the the truth is is it's probably a a um uh both human and fallen angelic in origin, and the whole thing is meant to get you chasing shadows and get you chasing your own tail and to to prepare us for the system of the beast. Um, so how how do you stay inoculated from that? Man, you gotta stick close to Jesus and gotta love him with everything that's in you. And you know, the conversation about no balance in the Christian life, what the the the context of that is is it's all Jesus all the time. And if there's a balance, it's because he picked to bring something and say, hey, you need to go spend some time with your wife or something like that, but not because I I need to feel obligated. Like the best you that you're ever gonna be is the one who's sold off for Jesus all the time, full bore. Like when it comes to the day of judgment, your wife's not gonna be there, your kids aren't gonna be there, your pastor's not gonna be there. That's gonna be you, and that's it. And he's gonna ask you, What did you do with what I told you to do? And that's the only thing that's gonna matter, guys. So you be obedient to your savior, you love your savior, and if you're really loving him, here's the math. There's an old adage that says, You're so heavenly minded that you're no earthly good. And it's the the emphasis that somebody's so so locked into spiritual things that their balance doesn't make them, they're they're out of balance makes them no good on the planet. And here's here's the real math: it is only the heavenly minded that are any earthly good. Yeah, because the truly heavenly minded person is concerned with the mission of Jesus, which is on the face of the planet. Amen. So it is that that is the that is the proper way of operating. What did Jesus say? I only do what I see the Father doing, I only say what I hear the Father saying. Pay the price to develop that kind of relationship with Jesus. Amen.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:04

Amen.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:06

Terrence, close the points? I I'll just, you know, let's tighten up, guys. I think with the you know, all of us can tighten up in certain areas, but you what you guys said is well said, and I just leave it there.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:16

Amen. Uh, shout out to uh Eric Swithin. Yeah. Gonna be with him here in uh in California. Um uh not this weekend, but next weekend. We got an event at Sonoma State. So all of our young adults and our college-age people come out. Um, check it out on Instagram and Facebook. Uh information is there. And for all of our local church folk who are for Lighthouse, he's gonna be at main campus uh Sunday morning, the 15th. And then we're having our all-campus gathering um that evening. And so uh, you know, everybody come out. Eric's a uh a phenomenal brother, been you know praying with him a number of times in the last couple weeks, and we're excited to see what he's gonna do. Blood and oil's gonna be um on set uh or on location. So uh come out and say hello. Um, and uh you can find information um on Instagram and Facebook. And if you can't, uh just DM us and you know, instant message us or whatever, and and we'll uh we'll link you up with the details.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:18

We're gonna do a live screening of um Show Me Your Glory, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:22

No, I we're not gonna do the the movie itself live, but uh we will do the Q ⁇ A afterward live, I think. Um so you know, for those of you who haven't seen Show Me Your Glory, like we we've interviewed Eric on it, we've interviewed Jamie, he was on it. Um shout out Jamie Walden. That's that's my boy. Um and you know, it's 14 bucks on Amazon. It's not a lot, you know. The you know, go ahead and give your money to it. It's a good use of money, it's a phenomenal video, a phenomenal movie. It's more like a documentary on the miraculous. Um, so you know, uh spend some money and watch it and be blessed.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:00

Amen. All right, thank you, brothers, for showing up, and uh thanks everyone who watched and and and tuned in. Sorry you couldn't hear me, but we're around, we're doing it, and uh God bless guys, and blood and oil out.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:10

God bless, blood and oil out. Peace.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:18

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