Disclosure & Discernment | What Christians Need to Know

A huge “disclosure” movie drops, new UAP videos and documents surface, and suddenly the question isn’t whether people believe in UFOs. It’s whether the story being told is designed to reshape faith, redefine truth, and reframe the supernatural into something safe, friendly, and worship-worthy. We walk through Spielberg’s “Disclosure Day” and the real-world disclosure drumbeat happening around it, then slow down to ask what Christians should actually be listening for beneath the visuals.

We talk about the spiritual atmosphere we sensed in the theater, why the film keeps pulling the church into the plot, and how the messaging blurs the line between science and spirituality. When “alien contact” is portrayed with counterfeit versions of prophecy, tongues, words of knowledge, and messianic devotion, we don’t just shrug. We measure it by Scripture and by doctrine: what do these entities claim about Jesus Christ? That single test exposes a lot.

From there we get into empathy as a weaponized virtue, the pressure to grant moral authority and even “rights” to nonhuman intelligences, and why disclosure narratives can make believers look like the problem. We also connect modern UAP stories to older patterns: occult contact history, “activation” language, hitchhiker effects, poltergeist activity, and the paranormal overlap that keeps showing up around encounters. Our bottom line stays the same: don’t be scared, be discerning, and stay close to the Holy Spirit and the Word so you can recognize the counterfeit when it arrives.

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Transcript

Supernatural Normalization And Hope

SPEAKER_03 0:05

I believe all of this normalization of the supernatural that we have happening with the demonic realm is gonna provide an opportunity for the real stuff to shine. Like Jesus' church is gonna be dressed in gleaming white robes by the time he comes for her, guys.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

But I think what we have is a cool opportunity here to perhaps for the Lord and the Holy Spirit to guide us in this new and deeper understanding of what this stuff is, because it seems as though that the ET phenomena is the linchpin of a lot of this parallel stuff, if not all of it. We might have this very unique opportunity to just learn what the Lord has for us to see on an even deeper level, what the spiritual world consists of, how it operates. So we got to keep that in mind as well. If he wants that for us, I'm all about it.

SPEAKER_00 0:57

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Why Disclosure Hits The Church

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Welcome to the Blood and Oil Podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

All right, everyone. Welcome to the Blood and Oil Podcast. Got myself Zayn and Jesse here today. Missing out on Mr. Terrence, sending some love and prayers. He'll be back soon. Guys, we went and saw disclosure day last Friday. Went and went through a special viewing. We had to go in as a couple of Christian boys to go see what this thing was all about. Given the fact that Spielberg had mentioned a couple times that um actually I just saw one quick snippet of an interview that he was doing talking about how people might be losing their faith over this thing. And so obviously, we got to go out and see what this is all about. Uh, you know, disclosure is a hot topic right now. We've talked about it a few times in a few different episodes on the show. Um it's particularly hot when, you know, within the context of the church, because it has a lot to do with, you know, biblical end times, it has a lot to do with uh world politics and you know the future of religion in a lot of ways, world religion. And particularly with in the in in the with with respect to Christianity, because you know, there's been a lot of talk of um, you know, what happens to the to you know Christian faith when these sort of things are revealed? Uh what happens to, you know, the our idea of God as a people? Do we, you know, do we s do we pivot and do we think differently about God because these things are revealed, benevolent beings are revealed, these kinds of things. So there's a lot of questions up in the air. It's a really hot topic right now, and it seems that, you know, the government and uh, you know, Trump's people, they're all kind of ready to push this stuff out finally. I mean, after all of these years, great, but what is the disclosure and what is the the possible angle that they're gonna be taking uh in order to release this stuff? Are they going to frame it as uh you know this benevolent takeover of this new world religion, or are they going to actually give us the facts of what they're seeing in the skies and what kind of technology and what kind of bodies they have? We just want to know really what the past has been and and kind of what um you know govern the government involvement has been. You know, obviously we want the hard, true facts that we deserve those. It's been a long, long time coming. We've been talking about this stuff for decades um and have been laughed at for those decades as well. But now everything's kind of coming to the surface. Well, what's the real agenda here? And that's kind of what we're here to talk about today. We also wanted to mix in some of our thoughts and feelings about what we perceived in uh Spielberg's Disclosure Day. And uh yeah, there's a lot there. So uh guys, if you haven't subscribed yet, please do. You can get that fresh content from us. Uh, like and comment on the videos as well on YouTube so that we can, you know, just hear a little bit about what you guys are going through. If you have testimony from the show, if you have guest recommendations, uh topic recommendations, we're open for all of it, guys. We're open books over here and we we want to get a conversation started. So please reach out and uh make it happen. But uh let's get going, Jesse.

The Movie Release Meets UAP News

SPEAKER_03 4:02

Yeah, so we went and saw Disclosure Day, uh, Steven Spielberg's new movie. And um uh spoiler alert, if you plan on seeing it, uh you probably don't want to watch this until after you see it. Um, or I don't know, maybe you do want to see it and you go in with eyes wide open. Um uh so we we went and saw it. This is presently, from what I'm reading, his biggest opening weekend of any film that he's made um uh globally. So uh 44 million domestically, and then another 50 or so um globally, so a total of 93 or 94 million uh across the planet. Um, so his number one opening um past saving private Ryan, past everything else, which which is you know, it's pretty telling. The uh United States government happened to happen to on the same day drop a new tranche of uh UAP videos and documents um actually demonstrating that the United States indeed has been involved in a cover-up. There's some documents from Australia's uh government that were dropped that uh show that the CIA has been involved in a in a disinformation campaign on purpose since the 50s. Um and so lot lots of stuff, um, some new videos, some pretty wild ones where uh orbs are floating, you know, uh a couple hundred feet away from somebody over a pond. Um so you can tell it's not a it's not an airplane, it's not a helicopter, uh and some that divide in into two and three and then come back together and some some pretty pretty amazing stuff. Um and then last week on Tuesday, um uh the uh David Grush and uh Anna Paulina Luna representative congressman Anna Paulina Luna, um Tim Burchett, and uh uh what's his face? I forgot the the other guy's name. Um three representatives with um Ross Cohart and all these other these other folks, the uh I think it's James Fox is his name, the guy who did the the documentary on the Virginia incident in um Brazil, um all had a a press conference on the state uh or on the steps of the United States Capitol building, um, and basically called for disclosure. And uh who were uh so was Moskowitz, and then I can see the other guy's face, but I don't remember his name. Um two of them are born-again Christians, actually, I think three of them are Christians. Uh, one of them said that the stuff that he saw in the skiff has has caused him to challenge his faith. And he said it very clearly, he's a born-again Christian, and what he's seen uh behind closed doors and top secret meetings has caused him to challenge his faith. Um, and hi, Lynchburg, Tennessee, Don, good to see you. Um and so he uh he said very clearly that it's caused him to to re-examine his faith. He's come out, he still believes the Bible. He says, you know, believe what the scriptures write. So um, so all of this all happens in the same week.

A Palpable Spiritual Weight In Theater

SPEAKER_03 7:21

Disclosure day hits. And uh I think the first thing in in the film was uh as me and Zayn and uh another brother went and saw it. Um the first thing is there was absolutely a spirit in the room. Uh it was palpable and discernible. Uh Zane, you had some thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_02 7:40

Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, when we talk about Hollywood, you know, there's there's so much around that, you know, the the magical implications, the esoteric, occult stuff going on there. So I think anytime you're really in a theater and you're a captive audience in that way of something uh of that magnitude that is has millions of dollars put into it, you know, there there are spiritual implications there. And I think that it's no different than um, you know, some of the big motion, major motion pictures that have come out. However, because of the context of the film, I would say that there is uh that that specific overlay that is also added where it is, you know, um dealing with this sensitive material and that especially relates to religion and God, right? And so that that sort of anchors everything in this spiritual context, this battle between light and dark. And so you're in the theater and you're sort of right in the middle of that battle in a way, right? And I think that that has a lot to do with it. If there are any specific spirits that were assigned to that film that are there to sort of torment people who are watching it, could be the case as well. You know what I'm saying? Especially Christians, you know? So there was definitely there's definitely a fog of something, some kind of tension there that is sort of uh engendered into the film that perhaps is there to do just that, to kind of create a create a an atmosphere of disease, you know?

SPEAKER_03 8:59

Yeah, yeah. So I I I think um, you know, there there was a Catholic priest last week that said that he he would counsel Christians to be careful about going and seeing the film because there may have been a curse cast on the film, and I don't want to get all, you know, gobbly gook weird. Um, you know, so so I I'm I'm not gonna go that far, but would would we say that there is certainly an assignment that is that corresponds to the movie? And the answer is yes, especially with Steven Spielberg intentionally targeting the church. Like the the church plays a very key role, in particular the Catholic Church plays a very key role in the film. Um, and uh I I would venture to say is almost uh targeted by the film. And Spielberg even said it on an interview. He said, We we are even coming at this from the angle of the church, and and so um is there a demonic assignment that is uh that corresponds to the film? And I would say yes. So I I don't know if I would do all the weird pop charismatic deliverance stuff about a curse and all that other kind of stuff, but I would certainly say a demonic assignment for sure. Um, at least demonic spirits aware that the narrative of this film can be capitalized on for people who are thinking in those directions who are in the seats watching it. Um and and I would say that the the film is intentionally asking spiritual questions. This is not simply coming at it from the perspective of science. This is this is intentionally provoking spiritual context concerning um disclosure and what would happen with the church if disclosure came. Um Zayn, your thoughts?

SPEAKER_02 10:44

Yeah. Um I'm kind of yeah, I I completely agree with that because I think that, you know, you don't want to uh get off into the speculative space because it it doesn't do anyone a service, you know, when you're trying to actually um talk about things, you know, legitimately and logistically. Uh but you know, that warning from the Catholic Church for sure uh is legitimate. But you're like you said, uh because there are these things that are discussed in the film, um, it brings it brings a certain context, you know.

SPEAKER_03 11:14

Okay, so either I dropped or uh or Zayn dropped. Um so it looks like we're still live and I'm still

Catholic Framing And Testing Claims

SPEAKER_03 11:22

feeding. So we'll see if uh that's me or him. Um okay, so it it it essentially the Roman Catholic Church is depicted as safe um in in their views of what's happening with the disclosure. They are uh the question is presented to a a nun in the Catholic Church about if her faith would be shaken if there was something that was presented as being from another solar system. And Spielberg himself uh is on record for saying, is God only the God of this this galaxy or this this system, or is he the God of all intelligent systems? And and that's one of the questions that they're seeking to ask in the movie. Um, we do know that uh according to some of the the buzz that is surrounding this movement presently, that the White House has been engaging religious leaders, um, according to Ross Cohlhart and and uh uh Jeremy Corbell about how a a disclosure would affect uh religious views. And so uh absolutely the the question is is being presented and being taken from a religious perspective, and the deception that's being um that's that's being woven is that these so first and foremost, God is the God of everything. The the God of the Bible is the God of everything. He the Genesis 1-1 depicts that everything that was created was created in that moment. So anything that has not been created, which would be the Father, Son, and Spirit themselves, the the the eternal uh eternality of the Godhead, the the internal relationship of the members of the Trinity, the Father, Son, and the Spirit are uncreated. Okay, John, John chapter one is very clear that the son is uncreated, the father's uncreated, the spirit is uncreated. So anything that can be said to have been created comes into existence at Genesis 1.1. That means that God is the God of everything that's created, period. Zane, I got some feedback on um he is the god of everything, period. There's no room for wiggling on that. So yes, he is the god of all of these systems, he is the god of everything that has uh that can be said to have been created, he is the god of the question is whether or not these entities are bad guys or good guys. That's the question. And I had a conversation with somebody on on Facebook the other day, and and they were like, send them, let's hear what they gotta say. And the that's true. What you need to do is you need to test by the message what do they claim? That is one of the tests in First Corinthians chapter 12 concerning manifestations of the spirit, that what you do is you test doctrine, and in particular, what do they say about Jesus? Is he the crucified and risen Son of God, Lord of all, or is he a sin and ascended master? One of the narratives that's coming out from these entities is that they created Jesus, he was seated here by them. Actually, he's one of them, is the the way that they say it. And so when you test the revelation based on doctrine concerning the personal work of Jesus, they they do not line up. And so what do you do? Well, that is an antichrist spirit, that is a false spirit. That's why we are to test the spirits, is what first John says. Uh, Zane, we lost you for a minute. Um, in the middle of the conversation, uh, I had mentioned that the Roman Catholic Church is depicted as good guys. I think what was interesting is that there was a branch of it that seemed to be depicted as a bad guy, too, when the the head bad guy, the the main bad guy, quoted um Jesus' uh moment in in the Garden of Gethsemane. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So so it was almost like there's a part of the church that's good and a part of the church that's bad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:43

Did you get that same vibe? Totally, yeah. I think that you know, there's a lot of disinformation that's kind of being thrown out about believers, you know. And I it makes sense, you know, I think cinematically through through you know the last decades when there are difficult topics being discussed and the church needs to be a part of it. The Catholic Church has always been a safe choice to have in film. Uh and I think that, you know, we've talked about this before, but I think it's, you know, it has probably has something to do with the optics of the Catholic Church as a on a whole, that it's sort sort of a it's almost like a geopolitical organization more than a rel than a than a church, right? And so it's sort of easy to frame um any message you're trying to get across if you have to have a uh a religious viewpoint upon uh you know, in you know, interjected, it's gonna be the Catholic Church that they're gonna choose. They're not gonna choose a Protestant church, they're not gonna choose uh a pastor to come forward and speak about Jesus because there's too much truth that's gonna come out of that, perhaps. I don't really know. But maybe, maybe that's that's they can it it's almost like they can control the narrative a little bit easier if if the Catholic Church is involved, you know. So that's what I read there. And yeah, they tried to get some biblical stuff in there. I think that they dropped some scripture at some point and he talked about Gethsemane, but um maybe only to, you know, uh up the ante um when it, you know, with with respect to Christianity and its impact upon it, you know.

SPEAKER_03 17:08

Yeah, I I think the subtle thing was the the Collins Elite identification is what it was, is that you know, the the rumor about the Collins Elite is that they are this group of Christians in the Pentagon who don't want this to come out because they know that it's demons or they believe that it's demons. And so Lou Elizando mentioned these guys. They they've been rumored to have been around for the last 50 years, and you know, nobody's confirmed them, so we don't know, you know, if they're a real thing or not. Jamie, uh, when we were talking with Jamie, he was like, you know, I've I've never seen them confirmed. He said, I I've heard a lot about them, but I've never never run into any first first hand information about them. It's always been rumored. So, so what it looks like is that what what did Lou Alizando say? He said that there is a a group of guys inside the Pentagon called the Collins Elite who are Christians. And by the way, guys, these guys they're supposed to have conceived that if these things are demonic, the UFO stuff, then the way for humans to preserve themselves into act is to follow the laws of Moses. That's not Christian. So if that's true, these Collins Elite guys are at best ignorant, at worst, a complete plant trying to make Christians look bad. That's what I think. So I I felt like it was a a dig at those Christians who were trying to keep disclosure from happening because they were afraid of what would happen with disclosure, and that's how that guy was presented. Um, let's see.

Counterfeit Gifts And Messianic Drift

SPEAKER_03 18:42

I I think probably for me, the most important thing was that there was a false Holy Spirit being represented. That these things were moving in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Like the stuff that we know is the legit manifestation of the kingdom of God, tongues and signs and wonders and prophecy and and all this stuff. Like she's she's speaking Russian, doesn't know Russian. There, the the person is is speaking in an alien language, but did you notice the guy heard it in English? Right? That's a gift of interpretation given in the moment. Like she knows stuff, secrets about the people. It's first Corinthians 14. The unbeliever comes in, the secrets of their heart are laid bare, and they fall on their face and they admit, surely the living God is amongst you. Then a a person begins to worship her like she's a messiah, like the the the overtone, like it it was crazy watching that.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

Yeah, there's a lot there. Um particularly with the connection to animals, like that's that's one of the things that the themes again, spoiler alert, you guys, just so you know, but um that's one of the themes that is kind of throughout it is and is that the the ETs, interdimensional as they are, I guess, um, they didn't really actually touch on that too much with the interdimensionality of it at all. But what I think though, I think the way that they they framed that as far as how the ETs appear to people who are experiencers, was they first appear as animals. And it's a way to lull the experiencer into an experience without them having fear. And this is actually something that we find in in experience, in the experiencer lore, is one of the main one of the main animal owl uh animals that they use is an owl, actually. If you look back, um there's an author, Cleland is his last name, and he he did a whole book on uh accounts of people having experiences with ETs, but the experiences start as, you know, a four-foot owl, you know, outside their window, and they're sort of drawn out of their room by this strange creature who is speaking with them telepathically. Of course, at first they're not afraid because it's an owl, and it's a little weird, but you know, hey, I want to go see what this is about. But it's really just sort of a screen, um, you know, it's an overlay, it's a, it's a, it's a trick. And so they're drawn into an experience uh by the this imagery, and that was that was uh represented throughout the film um with a number of different animals. They didn't actually use an I don't think they use an owl once, but another one is um I think it's the fourth kind is the film. The owl is represented in that a lot. I think it's a great way. Nobody watched that unless you want to stay up fighting demons, okay? Just saying. Yeah, it's a it's an intense one. And I I do believe that there's a lot of real stuff portrayed in that. Um and so my point in saying that is that it, you know, if they're using this trick, this mental trickery and this and emotional manipulation to enroll people in this experience, then that the film really portrayed that. And I thought that it did a good job doing so. Um, I'll I'll give it props for that because again, that is has been. A cornerstone of experience or lore throughout the decades of this sort of connection to animals. And so that was that was a big portion of it. But what it does bring up for me is that there are, you know, counterfeit gifts of the spirit, as Jesse mentioned. Now there's this connection to the natural world through the animal link that is almost, in a way, in a sense, portraying extraterrestrials as terrestrial in a strange way, or utilizing terrestrial means to connect with humans. And that's uncomfortable for me because it takes it, I think it what it does for me is it kind of moves it out of the spiritual realm and into a more natural realm, has people sort of moving into more of this earth worship sense, you know, in a way, I guess, because I think that the the the overarching goal and intention here underneath it all really is to manipulate people into worshiping these, these, these, these beings, right? And if they're using a method and a manipulation in order to do there, that is natural. Um, and also the gifts of the Holy Spirit, too, like this, this sort of, you know, they're they're keeping it real with the spirituality there as well. I think what I'm trying to get at is that there is a um there's an inclination toward having people worship something that is natural, that is not God, that is outside of that that is actually a created thing and not an uncreated thing, right? So there's that movement into that thing where it's like, if we're, you know, we're going to worship the one true living God who is actually uncreated outside of his own creation, why are you having us move into this uh this affirmation of this worship of these things that are natural, right? That's a it's a really uncomfortable idea if you really peel back the onion on that, you know?

Animals As Lures For Contact

SPEAKER_03 23:40

Yeah, yeah. And I I think that the cross-pollination of spiritual and natural, which I think is what you're pointing at.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

Yeah. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

Um, that cross-pollination is intentional because you know, we we tend to think that spiritual things are poof, like it's smoke, it's wispy. But the Bible depicts that spiritual things are more real than we are. Spiritual things have more substance than we have. Like it's exactly the inverse where the scripture exactly says we are wispy. We're like a vapor here today, gone tomorrow, blown in the wind, like all this stuff. And anybody who's actually been on the other side like that, when you talk to somebody who's actually been into experiencing the these these uh I don't want to call them out-of-body experiences, but that's what they are. These are experiences, the these things. Anybody who's experienced this stuff, they'll tell you that realm is more real than this one. That that substance is has more substance than this one. And so the the attempt at cross-pollinating spiritual and natural, it is going to both grab those who want to go esoteric in the new age, and it's gonna grab those who want to go scientific, where they're like, no, I I need data, I need something I can touch, I need, I need this, you know, this exper this this hard, tangible experience. And I and I think that that's part of what the ongoing narrative that's that's being peddled is okay, are these things physical beings from another planet? Which, if that's true, then the evolution angle gets gets promoted. And then now the Bible's not true, and and spiritual stuff is still poof, but these are natural beings. And so everybody who's science-minded is giving themselves to these things, and now suddenly those things go spiritual. Now all the science people are willing to go spiritual. Is it simply spiritual also or is it also spiritual? Now, now you've got all the new agers throwing in that direction. And so you you've got this full court press on both angles that this deception is going to be able to pull in people from all different kinds of philosophies, all different kinds of of uh ideologies, and present a uniform moment thing experience, etc., that is gonna grab everybody. And what what I found interesting was that they exactly promoted that this kind of revelation has the ability to unite humanity to the degree that it trumps World War III. Like, so again, spoiler alert, in the movie, the entire backdrop of what's happening globally in in this movie, Disclosure Day, is that World War III is on the brink. And and by the way, for those of you listening who are aware of our friend Jamie Walden, North Korea is a primary player in

Science Veneer Over Spiritual Power

SPEAKER_03 26:40

it. And he's been calling that. So this disclosure day has the ability to capture the human mind to such a degree that it detracts or takes people off of the track that's going toward World War III, which is a unifying experience and the potential call for peace. And what did Ronald Reagan say in 82 or whatever it was when he did his speech that that if if there's anything that's going to unite the human race, it would be an extraterrestrial. He said threat, but in this, in this vein, it is an extraterrestrial revelation. Right. Yeah. Go ahead. Dawn's right. They want us to believe the planet was seated uh and that we were not created. Yep, that's that's absolutely on point. She's correct. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

And I think, yeah, that's totally right. And I think that's, you know, phase two, I think, down the road. You know what I mean? Once there is an established, let's just say that there's an established world religion, these things are being worshipped, whatever it might be, then we get into the history of you're actually our creators, right? And that and that is something that is very, very dangerous, obviously. So I think it it would incrementally become more and more spiritual the more the veil is lifted, but it has to start in a natural place. And I think the reason is is because it loosens, it loosens the the the binds on people's mind around, you know, any sufficiently advanced technology can be considered divine, that kind of whole thing, right? We have the atheist who, you know, as humans, we're, we're, we have a va a spiritual vacuum in us. We want, we want knowledge of the spiritual because we know that there's something missing. We haven't really been told the truth fully about what the truth, you know, what what spirituality is unless you found Jesus. If you haven't found Jesus and you're outside and you're and you're lost and you're in that crew, you're still gonna, even if you're an atheist, you're still gonna be seeking something fulfilling, right? Like spirituality, like an answer to that internal composition that doesn't quite make sense to you because it's so vast and so metaphysical, really. When you see these things and you see, you know, an owl transform into an E.T. and have an experience and are told that you're the chosen one and that's why they've contacted you. This is when you start to believe and have and and start to integrate a new religion and accept this new religion that's being spoon-fed to us. So that's kind of the that's that's my concern about this whole thing is the metaphysical stuff is alluring and it's and it's and it fills, it, it, it, it fills a need inside of us. And that's what I'm concerned about is there is a large segment of the population that needs that need filled and requires it to be filled because they've they've gone so long without it being filled that they're gonna grab onto anything that's presented that seems metaphysical, that seems spiritual, that is gonna hopefully fill that need for them.

SPEAKER_03 29:21

Yeah, or may not even seem spiritual at all, but has the veneer of science. Like, for instance, for the movie in particular, they are willing to accept what we as Christians know as the gifts of the Holy Spirit in a science veneer. So they're receiving words of knowledge, they are undone by prophecy, they are like she she literally disarms an entire squad of uh crack, you know, um operators. So, you know, you'd think think uh, you know, top-tier military CIA, you know, operators, they're all they're all there, like the cream of the crap coming. She walks right through the middle of them, and then on the way out, they're like, stop her. And and the way that she gets out, guys, is she prophesies to every single person the secrets of their heart as she walks out and they they're just undone and they they can't stop her. And it's what they the dude says, What is she? And then uh the other one says, She's unstoppable. And it's because of a a fake version or a a uh veneer version of the gifts of the Holy Spirit in a word of knowledge, word of wisdom, and prophecy.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

Yeah. Who's crazy? And she's manipulating the perceptions as well. She's showing them, she's appearing to each individual as people that they care for, people from their past, and then talking to them as those people. So prophesying to them, but as the people that mean something to them from their past that she would have no knowledge of at all. But here she is physically appearing as them. So she's messing with their perception as well. There are so many, there's so many levels to this thing. Um, but that that very same character is then regarded later as a sort of a messianic fear. A hundred percent. That's right. And that's that's kind of what they were angling toward, I think, through the whole, you know, um, establishing her, because she was the one that kind of received the gifts, if you will, in the beginning that came from animals, of course. And uh, you know, as her character develops, you start to see, oh, wait, people are starting to turn toward her. And that's exactly what I'm talking about, is people are

Empathy As The Primary Hook

SPEAKER_02 31:28

seeking uh people are seeking a savior. They don't know it necessarily, but they have there's a gravitation toward the savior archetype. And we found Jesus. We know he him to be the truth. And if only everyone else knew that, right? However, people are also seeking a savior and maybe don't want to believe that it's Jesus because they're pissed off at the church or they're pissed off at someone who was religious before, whatever it might be. So they're rejecting that idea, but they still need a savior. So if they can, if someone, if if that archetype can be fulfilled here now, then they're gonna go after it, you know, and that's kind of what we see in the film.

SPEAKER_03 32:02

Yeah, 100%. Yeah, it was crazy where she begins to and here here's the overlay, guys. Ready? She begins to prophesy to people, and a person who's a Christian, Roman Catholic, comes up and does the sign of the cross and then begins to kneel at her feet. Okay. So literally affirming a a Christian-esque thing, sign of the cross, and then begins to kneel at the woman's feet who's been given these these gifts. And she's like, no, no, no, don't do that, or you know, whatever the case is. But earlier, one of the the the girl who was in a convent, I think is the right term, uh, part of a uh a nunnery. Nunnery is probably not the right word, but she was in a in a convent. Um yeah, I I I I believe some Catholics are Christian. I don't believe all of them are. Um I get your point, Donald. Here we go. So um she's in a she's in a nunnery, uh, she's in a convent, and she says, she says to the guy, she says, What happens when we see actual supreme beings? And the implication is that Yahweh is not the actual supreme being. The implication is that that he's not the one being, and she says these things are actual supreme beings, and what's gonna happen to the world when these things are revealed, and so it sets up this thing, and what happens? Those who are religious they drift automatically into worshiping this female who is the bearer of the divine message. What is that? That's 100% messianic. 100% the Isaiah 61 or the the Luke for the the Lord God, the spirit of the Lord God is upon me because he has anointed me to what preach the good news and what's happening in this World War III. This news is going to disarm the planet from World War III. The the layers are absolutely incredible.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

Yeah. And what I found interesting, and just from my perspective, having been in this world for so long and been laughed at uh, you know, innumerable times over this stuff, just trying to speak my piece and what I've stumbled upon. Um, this the film was actually the and the themes that it presented were really rudimentary and kind of vanilla when it comes to the entire scope of what this thing is. And I think that that's a good thing to get into too, is like it's not alluded to in the film that they would be moving toward a one-world religion necessarily, other than the things that were like Jesse mentioned, those side notes on, you know, a benevolent being or a superior being, what happens when they enter the scene, what will humans think? Well, that's a precursor, you know. I can see maybe even a sequel to this film talking about, okay, now they've landed and now the Vatican is, you know, uh anointing them as the, you know, our new leader, our new spiritual leaders, whatever

Genesis Six And Seedline Fears

SPEAKER_02 35:06

it might be. But then, right, and so that that creates the whole one world religion motif. But then what happens from there, right? If we speculate into what could happen from there, we have to kind of start to talk about the genetic programs that have been going on all these years. And if they're revealing themselves and then being worshipped, more than likely they're going to start to interbreed with humanity. And we have Genesis six all over again, right? But what's so fascinating about the whole thing is it's like say these things are demonic spirits that have donned the, you know, visage of and the veneer of a humanoid being. We have demonic beings who used to be the spirits of the Nephilim who were killed in the flood, now taking on a new meat suit to do another incursion with humanity, right? And interbreed with them sexually again. You know what I mean? So it's like, I think it's just these constant attempts to do just that is to soil the seed line, right? In any way possible. And not only that, but of course, the one world religion, you know, checks the box for, you know, control and domination, of course, for those who want that. So there's so many different angles to this thing.

SPEAKER_03 36:15

Yeah. And uh let's see, Don was right. The Catholic Church came out at one point, and the the previous Pope had said that uh he would baptize an alien if one came down and revealed itself. And the the leadership of the Roman Catholic Church, like if anyone's interested in a book, it's called Ex of Vaticana, written by Tom Horn, um, the the leadership of the Catholic Church has been uh prepping for something along these lines for a long time. Um their their seminaries and such have come been coming out speaking about Space Brothers and the this other interesting stuff. The basic idea that they're promoting is that if if these aliens are unfallen, meaning not touched by the sin of Adam, which which by the way is underlying part of the statements in in this movie, they are part of God's created order, but not of this earth. Adam is the crown of this earth, meaning the implication is something from another real planet, physical planet, would not necessarily be touched by the sin of Adam. If that's true, and this is what they've been saying, then they're gonna have a better line on the gospel than we do because they're unfallen and we are fallen. And we we've had this conversation in previous episodes that that contention doesn't work because everywhere we look, we see entropy. Further, the scripture states in several places that the entirety of the creation groans. So not just this planet, but the creation, meaning all of creation. Greek is a very precise language, and so the Romans chapter 8, all of creation awaits the revealing of the sons of God, meaning the the born-again Christians, when Jesus comes, wraps everything up, and we are given our resurrected bodies, the entirety of creation is groaning for that moment. Well, why? Because it's bound under sin. So no matter where we look in the universe, no matter where it is that we we observe things, entropy is present everywhere. The effect of sin is present everywhere. So that this idea that if they're physical beings are untouched by Adam's sin is not true. Like we don't see that, which is why we contend that these things are actually not extraplanetary or meaning from physical beings from another planet. We believe, uh Zane and I, Terrence, at you know, this podcast, our our position as the host of this podcast is that these are interdimensional beings putting on a veneer and a lie, saying that they are from other planets, etc. Or in in my view, presently, these are actually the gods of old. These are these are the entities that have always been doing what they've always done, the Psalm 82, Deuteronomy 32 worldview spirits that have have been doing, you know, running amok um in these these various rebellions that we see in the scripture. So, and to Don's point, as in the days of Noah, the the fallen watchers that uh are spoken of in Genesis chapter six. So um they the Catholic Church has been priming in its leadership tiers for this. What's very interesting to me is that in the last three weeks, two different Catholic priests have come out saying that these things are demonic, and one of them was defrauded in Washington. So so he comes out and says these things are more demonic in nature than anything else, and then the Washington diocese kicks them out. This is not consistent with our Catholic position. So you see this split in the Catholic Church happening real time, in which exorcists who are dealing with, you know, what they say are spirits are saying, no, these things are demonic. One of them is even on record saying, we know these almond-shaped heads, big black eyes, these things in exorcism sessions pop up looking just like that. And he's like, Nope, they're demonic. And yet the leadership of the Catholic Church is saying, no, we don't take that position. So it's interesting to watch this division that's happening real time in all these places.

Vatican Prep And Fallen Creation Argument

SPEAKER_03 40:23

It's it's crazy to me.

SPEAKER_02 40:24

Yeah, and we have to mention, we as we mentioned before, you know, uh Alistair Crowley summoning Lamb back in the early you know, turn of the century, the the first, the very first prototypic image of an alien gray that we have, this was supposedly the demonic entity that he he summoned. So right there you have that initial connection between the two. Um, and then, you know, the Amalantra workings of um, you know, uh Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard in 46, that soon after that we have the Roswell crash. So it's like these occult workings, these, these, you know, these dedicated sort of openings of uh something into the spirit for the spiritual world to interact with our world, right? That's why these magicians are doing this thing, is to open portals, right? Well, if that's the case, then maybe these things came from there. Like inner they if they're interdimensional, which we believe they are, then may maybe the magical workings actually stimulated the entirety of what we now know as ufology, right? Yeah. And if that's the case, then they're nothing but spiritual, right? The it's they're they're steeped in spirituality and not only spirituality, but dark spiritualism. That's right. They're bad guys. This they're bad guys. So this is this is sort of the um, this is what we're leaning on in terms of the very the verifiable historical context of the ufology movement is steeped in this kind of stuff. And to go back even further, right, we have you know, Zechariah Sitchin, you know, translating the cuneiform tablets of the library of Ashurbanapol, right? The Sumerian epics, um, and telling us, you know, the Anunnaki story, right? And Don had mentioned this earlier, right? The Anunnaki story is, you know, from heaven to earth they came, uh, these gods of old, and essentially seeded humanity. And they, you know, he he translated that stuff back in the 60s and 70s. He's passed on now. But he had a lot of connections to um, you know, three-letter organizations and things like that. So the whole thing is really fishy, but what I'm speaking to now is that like, say these things, say, say what we mentioned a little while ago about the one-world religion, the worship of these things, all of this stuff, and then the history of these things starting to be revealed to us. Well, right there you have Sitchin's work, plain and sent. He put out maybe 13, 14, 15 books on this stuff, thick books. I've read a few of them, just and you know, it goes into Egyptian, you know, mythology as well. It goes into a bit of Greek mythology as well. So it talks about these entities moving between these civilizations and influencing people, but they're not the gods, the benevolent gods of old, which they're going to be built as. They're the demonic fallen angels that created, that seeded a race of giants, you know, heroes of renown that that continued to manipulate and eat and interbreed with humans until they were wiped out by the flood, right? So this is the point is that there's there is a they've been working hard to establish a history of these things so that when they're revealed, they can say, here's their story and validate them throughout the centuries as well. They've always been here.

SPEAKER_03 43:26

Exactly. And that that's actually the the the consensus is coming out from the governmental reps who've been studying this thing is that A, they're they're more likely interdimensional than extraplanetary, and B, that they've always been here. And so the these are the this is the language coming out from the government, from those who are who are behind the scenes and in the know that they're like, dude, these things have always been here. And like Tom DeLong was like, these are the these are the beings of old. And you know, even Gruosh,

Occult Roots From Crowley To Parsons

SPEAKER_03 43:58

the the primary whistleblower right now. uh is saying that that the the the right tag is interdimensional not necessarily extraplanetary um and so to to your point zane uh derek gilbert who we're gonna have on here in a couple weeks so you guys you know tap in for derek gilbert um he pointed out that in in situin's revelations part of what he got in his download was from a being called semiazza and the funny part is is that semiazza according to the book of first Enoch is the the lead watcher who led the rebellion in Genesis chapter six right which is very interesting it the uh Sitchin spells it different but phonetically it's the same it's Semyaza um and then Michael Heiser went and he debunked a whole bunch with Sitchin you know as far as ancient language ability and stuff goes but the revelation the Sitchin got represents a demonic attempt to create a narrative and that narrative is being um promoted throughout the yeah we love Sharon and Derek as well um uh that that narrative's be is being shopped around by these entities and the the crazy part like one of the things that got me about the movie is that they the the girl gets possessed and she they're called passengers not possessed people and they present being a passenger is good and so you've got this very very clear press toward it is good for you to commune with these things communion with these things is a good thing and and and communing with them is what brings these gifts and brings these manifestations and brings this stuff and so you've got this shift from science to spirituality and this dovetailing of the two together how do you get an atheist to to move in that direction well you present a real body that can be tested and then you show the manifestation of the things that that inhabit the body being spiritual and now you've got what Revelation in 2 Thessalonians 2 calls lying signs and wonders and the whole world goes after them.

SPEAKER_02 46:25

Right yeah they're attracted to them they're magnetic the yeah the um what was I gonna say the yeah Stephen Greer right the CE5 initiative right he's creating meditations to commune with these guys without any type of discernment because his his his worldview with these things is yeah they exist but they're all good. Right. There's nothing to be concerned about there.

SPEAKER_03 46:44

So commune with them commune away right yeah well I I think he believes there's some bad guys and there's some good guys but there's a galactic federation and all this stuff like Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:53

He may have changed the stance but when I I was actually into him back in the day, right? And I I did some of these meditations when I was in the new age man. I'm lucky that I didn't I'm lucky that I didn't make contact and something up yeah I wanted to you know what I mean but back then I remember him saying like it's all safe don't worry you know just just commune away they're there they're waiting to connect with you whatever it might be and um yeah so we have that narrative too and with the samyazi thing I wanted to mention as well there was a there was a case from uh Sweden Switzerland sorry Switzerland back in the 60s Billy Meyer was his name Billy Meyer yeah he's actually been before the 60s yeah yeah for sure and man there is just a wealth of knowledge around this guy but he has you know recorded video footage of these these beam ships he called them but the main cat that that landed and spoke with him telepathically was some Yazi of course yeah yeah maybe maybe I'm the same name maybe I'm conflating Meyer and um and Sitchin I I might be doing that. So that just could be but still to use the same name it's so bold. Dude and did you know that they told Meyer about the the red comet and so they they had even like they had told him about um Apophis yeah right yeah and they gave him a download on like Jesus he wrote a thing called the Talmud of Emmanuel that was like a retelling of what happened in Palestine and and all of this crazy stuff man that was coming through to him. I think the guy was I honestly like I read all of his stuff back in the day you know and I was super into this stuff and I really followed that case and and dove deep into it and I really think that this guy was sort of a victim almost of all of this stuff because he was a genuinely like good person that was like trying maybe maybe a little bit more open intuitively and a little bit you know more connected to the spirit. Sensitive yeah yeah and so that's why they they came to him but um it's it's tough because you see this you know recurring where it's like if this stuff is which we believe is is thoroughly evil, right? There is an agenda here, then it's really connecting with like the most sensitive and a lot of times the the the more passionate and um compat compassionate people, unfortunately, you know? And I think that speaks also to the New Age movement and how you know the new age movement is love and light. It's based on compassion in entirely it's all empathy. And so you have a group of people here who are very, very open to the messages that benevolent extraterrestrials will be bringing especially about the stars, the star seeds, the the the genetic connections that we might have to these things. You know, that we're talked we we we're we're told that we come from the stars and so you know perhaps it's not just the stars, but you come from a specific planet and your soul is still connected to that planet and that's your real family and you're not even home here on Earth. That's your home out in the stars. And so I think that there is they've been building this narrative and with these different little precursors and stories and mythologies, you know, throughout time really, but as of the last, you know, since the 40s really, you know, that it's been in the the public zeitgeist it's like they've really been leaning into the people who are more spiritually attuned perhaps more sensitive as Jesse said but more empathetic. And

Human Rights For Nonhumans

SPEAKER_02 50:03

I think that um well I what I found interesting in the film was that that was actually mentioned was that it wasn't so a lot of the the the sort of the main plot of the film was the suspense narrative of this man who had been working for the government and stole data and now he's on the run and he's trying to expose and and actually create and and initiate this disclosure, right? Well, he stole the data because he saw that there were humanitarian, you can't even really call it that questionable stuff happening to the ETs that they that the government had had had captured from these crashes. They were mistreating the beings and because he was an empathetic person he decided okay we have to come out with this information because of that not because of not because we deserve the truth but more so because we need to help these beings not be abused by our government. Yeah that's a great point. Right? And so I found that very fascinating because I've never considered that angle of it.

SPEAKER_03 50:56

Yeah yeah that it was a huge part where his he tells his girl the next part is very disturbing and then there is a an interrogation of an extraterrestrial entity who is screaming and the implication is that there are uh for lack of a better term Geneva rights being violated. Right so right so Zane's language was humanitarian even though they're not human the idea is sentient intelligent being being violated by what humans think are inherent rights. Okay and that was a violation of righteousness or things that are right and so therefore that prompted him to begin to question whether or not he was serving the good guys the bad guys and in order to get this out to humans who deserve to know the truth and and by the way guys all of the stuff in the present narrative crash recovery uh let's see I had them written down um all all of the present off world vehicles crash retrieval NHB NHI interrogations all of the stuff that's in the present narrative was affirmed by the movie so the movie is absolutely meaning to affirm the present disclosure narrative that we're seeing uh coalesce in the United States okay he says the one of the guys says for them the in the the the entities the primary quality is empathy he says it's not logic it's not it's not all of this stuff he said for them the primary attribute of goodness is empathy and the movie closes with one word listen and so the entire thing is couched and presented to get you in how you feel and if it can get you in how you feel now you're going to abandon logic you're gonna abandon all of these other things and the the present our present cultural narrative comes at it from a different direction you if you feel like you're a cat then you're a cat. If you're in a male body and you feel like you're a female you're a female and so all of these different directions to get the human into your soul which is exactly the problem of the Bible the the problem that the Bible presents is that your soul is unruled and your mind your will and emotions are governed by a sin nature and as long as they can keep you in your emotions then if your feelings tell you something is different than what is actually true your feelings are right and the truth is not true. That entire thing is being presented and in from this direction the in the alien disclosure they're telling you what you feel in empathy is your is your highest honorable attribute and if they can keep you there then they can influence you and it's that zone that means truth is now removed from something that is objective and it is placed in something that is subjective.

SPEAKER_02 54:27

This is what's true and that is the core of Satanism do as thou wilt which means as you feel right do whatever it is that you feel it's solipsism it's the you know the individual's subjective perspective is the only thing that matters and with that comes the complete erosion of the community the complete erosion of society because now there's no moral ground right um it's totally correct man it's it's crazy and with the humanitarian stuff we were talking about I wanted to follow up with that really quickly because what that's doing is it's softening our palate for this idea that when these things do come and when disclosure does happen, we're immediately going to give them the rights in society, which is crazy to think about. Yeah. It reminds me of a lot of the Disney Pixar films that are that have the talking animals. It seems really innocuous but when you really lift up the the curtain on this thing you see that what that's kind of doing is it's engendering in the public an acceptance of this stuff that we know biblically to be a chimera, something that is a human animal hybrid that is definitely demonic, right? And these films perhaps on some level are engendering us with this acceptance of it. It's the same thing here where it's like what we we're immediately giving these ultra-dimensional interdimensional beings human rights like rights that are the same as like this is just wild stuff man.

SPEAKER_03 55:53

Yeah and I I don't know if you caught it in the thing but there there was a statement that they that she said is that she said what did they say? Let me find it we got a couple questions so if we want to cue the first one up I'll make this statement and then we can answer the first question and Don's got two it looks like she says give yourself over to it and it will be an instrument of your will when they put the thing in her hand. Okay so so watch the math on this we know the primary issue for all of this is the will your choice even in the occult world you have to invite there has to be an open door there has to be an invitation there's something sacred about the will of a human even in the fallen state that the devil doesn't just have full bore free access unless there has been a a cooperation you are covenantally underneath his governance uh because of Adam there you are uh a a son of disobedience a child of wrath all that stuff it fallen in Adam the devil has dominion over the whole earth and and anything that that is shot through with sin is under the authority of death and so there is a sense in which we are under the governance of the devil but even at that there is still a sanctity of the will that in the occult world the the old school vampire lore they can't the vampire can't come in the house unless you invite them in the house there is this this vestigial idea that there is something uh important about the choice of the human in an in an agreement and it's what we call a covenant this agreement biblical language is covenant that there is a covenantal agreement that happens that gives access okay and so what do they say when they give her this this item that she's afraid to use and they say okay you give yourself over to it and it becomes a tool of your will it becomes an instrument of your will I found that very fascinating.

Rapture As A Disclosure Cover Story

SPEAKER_03 58:02

Wow yeah yeah uh I don't know if you caught that or not okay so the first question can you pop that up is this the the rapture yep yeah so Don's question is do you believe this disclosure is set up to cover up for the rapture if it is pre-trib um so yeah the the the pre-trib post-trib mid-trib pre-rath all of those those positions those things all remain to be seen um you know people take positions officially etc and the the the there are good points on on all sides and so the it's very very hard to nail down something officially to that I do know that there was revelation given in some aliens these alien quote unquote sessions where an alien communicated that there would be a day when those on the face of the planet who are keeping humanity from ascending to the next level of consciousness will be ultimately removed in one day. I know that that exists uh I think Derek mentioned it recently on a podcast we also have Joe Jordan coming on next month as well and and he might know a little something about that too so you guys stay tuned for for Derek in a couple weeks and Joe next month but I believe it was Derek who was mentioning it. So so it seems like the devil's hedging his bets that there absolutely is a if it's pre-trope rapture and and there are people who take all these positions that the devil has prepared if there is a rapture that there is an explanation for the rapture from the alien uh the alien um phenomenon where they've officially said that there may be a day where a large portion of humanity disappears and that the people who disappear are actually the bad guys so so that exists there there is a thing for that um I I am officially I I believe that there could be a pre-trib rapture um but I I am praying for pre-trib and preparing for post-trib personally so all right she's got a second question here did you see that one also Zayn?

Born Again Certainty Versus Deception

SPEAKER_03 1:00:21

Yeah so those of us who continue to use logic will are the enemy uh sort of those who are belonged to Jesus will be the enemy but the way that Jesus engages us is by choice so God has given us this thing called the the will and we have the ability to use the will to choose freely amongst options and uh Psalm uh 110 says that the day of the power of the sun where the father's submitting all the enemies of of the sun to the view of the sun looks like something on the face of the planet and he says this in the day of your power and majesty your people will be to you free will offerings. And so the the first two verses of of Psalm 110 are glorious depictions of what is happening in the spirit realm. The father is submitting all the enemies of the sun to the feet of the sun he's taking the sun's scepter extending it from Zion the overcoming church and the father's declaring rule in the midst of your enemies while he is submitting all the enemies of the sun to the feet of the sun which is Jesus is the head his church is the body that that thing is happening in the spirit realm what that looks like on the face of the planet is people who want to be there where I I want to read my Bible I want to be in church I want to pray I I want to tell people about Jesus I don't have to go to church I want to be in church I don't have to read my Bible I want to read my Bible I don't have to pray I want to pray I want to be in prayer so all of these things are depicted of a people who have given themselves over to God because they want to what's the math on that it's love I want to love him back. The mystery of the universe is not that God is great it's not that God is powerful. We know that God is great. We know that God is powerful the mystery of the universe is that this great God loves and then his desire is to have those who love him back. That's the entire problem of the Old Testament a a idolatrous people who don't worship God because they want to but because they think they're gonna be declared righteous because of it or because they're doing lip service and superficial actions so that they're accepted God's like no I want your heart which is why the new covenant comes along I'm gonna I'm going to make a a way in which you can be born again and your heart of stone is replaced by sensitive tender heart in which you will want to do my commandments that entire thing is the day of his power in Psalm 110 verse three so those are the ones who will be his enemy they do use their spirit their born again spirit so that's what happens when when we are Christians we are transferred from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his marvelous light because we've been born again and and that's what makes a Christian not your denomination not whether you you you go to a Greek Orthodox Catholic Protestant Pentecostal like I'm Pentecostal go to a Protestant church that's not what makes one a Christian. What makes one a Christian is are you born again? Do you have a relationship with Jesus? Do you talk to him and he talks to you? Are you indwelt by his Holy Spirit Romans 8 those who have his spirit belong to him and whether you're a part of those churches or not if you're in a church like that and you are not born again you're not saved. You and if you're in a church and you're born again you are saved. That's the dividing line well what then is the dynamic I have he has come and said I love you I want to save you and I have said that's a fantastic idea I love you back God please save me. That's it justified that that's what the scripture says God turns and he says just you are righteous. I am making you righteous because now you are of the faith of Abraham those are those who have given themselves to God because they want to that's who will become the enemy born again made new in my spirit I now govern my mind will and my emotions by my born again spirit and it's those who belong to God and it's those who will say my my emotions don't matter I know what he said my my my eyes don't even matter I know what he said the this physical thing or this manifestation thing or this this whatever that says it's from Zeta reticuli or something stupid like that. No I know what Jesus said I know who he is why because I talked to him this morning I I know who he is why because he gave me a prophetic word in in church on Sunday and this person said that I I know because last night I talked on the phone to a man who doesn't know Jesus and God gave me two words of knowledge while I'm praying for him so that he knows he's talking to a man of God and in his moment where he wants to commit suicide he doesn't commit suicide. True story last night wow why do I know that? Because because I know my God what does Daniel say those who know their God will do great exploits those who know their God and lead the many to righteousness that's evangelism evangelism and discipleship by the way they will shine like the stars in the end and their light will go out and they will lead many to Righteousness that that's that's who will be the enemy where the darkness comes and they'll be like, We're we're trying to deceive you, but I am convinced, not because of my mind, not because of my will, not because of my emotion, but because of my born-again communion with the Holy Spirit in my spirit, where I'm one with Jesus, and he has spoken to me and led me, and I know him so well that even if my mind tries to deceive me, I don't fall victim. So I um I'm sorry that was a long-winded answer. I hope that answers that.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:35

Don't be sorry at all. That was beautiful. Thank you, man. Amen. Praise God.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:38

Okay, back back to the message. Go ahead, Zane. What do you got?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:40

Yeah, yeah. It got me thinking too. Like, so this idea of, you know, ascribing human rights, right, to these extra-dimensional, you know, things, right? We've seen what, you know, this exploitation, if you will, of people's rights, this, this, this sort of it's like the blurring of the edges of, you know, the woke movement and all of these things have been doing over these last years of what it means to be human and what it means to, you know, it's all subjective, right? There's moral, uh there's moral iniquity run, run rampant. So it's like when they ascribe human rights to these things and we don't accept these things, we are the enemy. That's kind of what I see in the societal context. I think you had mentioned that as well. And if we as Christians are well aware of where this is headed and what these things actually are, which is very is going to be deeply opposed, I think, to the, the, the, the uh official narrative of what these things are, but we see what they are and we don't accept them, then we're automatically the societal enemies because there are now going to be droves of people who are in support of uplifting these beings, supporting their human rights that they've been given, gifted, even though they're not human. And if we don't go along with that, we're the enemy, right?

Social Pressure To Accept The Narrative

SPEAKER_02 1:07:58

That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:59

The uh the present narrative and the push, like JD Vance came out, I think it was last month and said, I believe these things are demonic. And then Greer, gentleman you were talking about earlier, came out and said, That's a dangerous narrative. And here's the reason why he he said that because it's inherently putting a thought in society that these things could be bad guys. And and here's how here's how much he believes. I believe Greer believes what he believes. I believe he genuinely believes it, what what he says. I believe he genuinely believes that there's a galactic federation and that this, that, and the next. He's and and I believe he's genuinely encountering real entities. They're not good guys. He is deceived, but I believe he believes it. And here's the reason why he said what JD Vance said was dangerous. Because it's gonna start a galactic war. That's what he said. That that's his position. That if humans believe that these guys are bad guys, then when they reveal themselves, it's gonna start an intergalactic war. This is Star Trek, guy. Like seriously? But that's the narrative that that they're pushing. That people who believe that these guys are bad guys, and and by the way, the only way that these guys are bad guys is if they're enemies and they're of the wrong kingdom, that those who believe that they're bad guys are are the bad guys themselves, which was very clearly presented in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:19

It's a yeah, it's another, it'll be another social justice movement for sure. The you know, the the the trending social justice movement. Um that, yeah, and and what I think is fascinating too is you know, so much of this ufology is based essentially and has its foundations completely in science fiction. You know, like science fiction was what brought all of the imagery. Yeah, that brought all of the imagery

Sci Fi Programming And Activation Language

SPEAKER_02 1:09:46

to to the public, right? And build as fiction, of course. But the fact of the matter is throughout time, we've had films come out, and the ETs in these films have been painted in very different ways, right? We had Close Encounters, also Spielberg's film back in the 70s, talking about them being someone that we can commune with. I think the end scene was, you know, we're accepting these pilots and these people back who had been taken to that other planet for, you know, decades or whatever and then brought back. And but now we're we're we're buddies with the ETs, right? So that that was kind of what it started as scary, and it ended up being that we were actually going to we can actually befriend them. Same with this movie, yeah. Right. It's same with this one. But what was what we had in between those, and uh, you know, with a with a host of other films, but one of the most important ones was Independence Day. And you saw at that time in the 90s, I think it was bad guys. That they yep, that they were touting them as bad guys because maybe the fear angle was the way to go then, right? It's like it's almost like the agenda was positioned toward aliens being bad because we want the public to be in fear. Maybe this is a way to engender fear in the public, is to, you know, is to paint this imagery in their minds of these huge spacecraft over cities waiting to destroy the cities and as a way to keep people enmeshed in this sort of fear complex, right? That it looks like the powers that be like to create with wars and all of this other stuff. Well, why not throw in an alien threat now? But now they flip the script, like you said, they've come back to this idea of let's befriend them. And it's interesting to see how the powers that be, who are really behind all of these films, are choosing different, different imagery and different um posturing as far as who these ETs are in relation to us based on what narrative and what end they're trying to reach. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:30

And I I think Spielberg's always taken the their friendly uh approach, and other other folks in Hollywood have done differently. But the um the interesting part is how closely that I thought how closely the the aliens uh at the alien reveal at the end of of um disclosure day looked like Independence Day. Yeah, right. They they were very similar looking. Um and we we've had someone tell us that they've they've seen stuff that looked like that. Um with the tentacles and stuff. Well, with the sloped head, yeah, for sure. Kind of like the the predator, like look, like that, that kind of thing. Um I I found that the the biblical layer or the the anti-biblical layer that the voice of the prophetic brought salvation was very interesting to me. Like the the overlay, the continuing overlay of the spiritual. Um and I was listening to or I was watching uh I uh listening or watching a reading and uh some some stuff on folks giving reviews on this, and there's uh African American, or well, he's he's not American, an African guy who's actually in the UK, so he's got a British accent, so he's he's African, African, uh British, I guess, um, who runs a podcast who's an experiencer. And he said this, he said this movie, here listen to his language, was activating for him as an experiencer. That's crazy because the activation language is that sleeper kind of this puts you into the zone. You know, even in the Christian world, in the weird charismatic world, they they've been we, you know, using this language of gotta pray for someone to get them activated in the gifts. We gotta, you know, pray for somebody to get them activated in in their mission set. And you know, we're gonna lay hands on somebody and activate them in the power of the Holy Spirit. And so this language is used in the Christian world, and then now it it's used in this world. It probably is used even before that. Uh Zane, you you've been a part of this world uh, you know, prior to being a Christian. But that activation language uh is almost this sleeper cell like like kind of a thing. Could you speak to that at all?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:55

Yeah, yeah. It's it's I mean, it's the starseed motif as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:58

You know, yeah. Speaks to that part, you know, that people have had these experiences, but no one has listened all this time. You know, disclosure day is really not science fiction at all. It's very factual. It's like they're they are they outlined a lot of the stuff that has been circulating around these these subcultures for all of this time, you know, and that was one of them that, you know, the chosen one motif. So we had, you know, in the film two people who were the chosen people, right, that the ETs decided to reach out to because of whatever reason, and um, you know, maybe an inclination toward telepathy or more spiritually sensitive, whatever it might be. And that has been something that has been circulating since all of this started, you know, that people were reached out to and they were in these experiences told that they were the chosen one and that's why they were, they were, they were contacted.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:45

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:46

And, you know, it gives this sense of spiritual ego, it gives this sense of activation, like you were saying. But if the if the predictive programming and the stuff that is in sort of um baked into the film is is also a subliminal, you know, sort of signal to those folks who have been through this kind of stuff to activate. That's that's another thing, that's a whole nother angle of this thing, which brings it even more into like the factual realm than the science fiction realm, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:11

Yeah, yeah. So Steven Spielberg himself was on record for saying that it's more fact than fiction.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:17

Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:18

So he has intentionally taken lots of third-person reporting or first person reporting even um accounts and wed them in. Like what, you know, one of the things that that it showed was uh recovered footage. And the question has been around out there in this space is is this actual recovered footage from Roswell? Um, and it was, you know, in the movie it was supposed to be recovered footage from Roswell. And then the big reveal in the end had all kinds of military footage that was fighter planes where huge um uh ships, alien ships are are taking off from the face of the planet and passing fighter planes, and they're full of lights. I mean, it's full-blown a Star Trek vehicle, is what it looks like. Looks like yeah, 100%. And so the the implication is the you know, people are asking, oh, we want clear videos, oh we we, you know, we we need more hard data. And the implication is that stuff actually is out there, like that stuff actually exists. Now, again, our our position here, the whole thing is a deception, the whole thing is a psyop. It doesn't mean that there isn't a there there, it means that whatever they say it is is not what it actually is. Right. That that's that's our position. It's what we we believe. Whatever they tell you the data means is the deception. Go back and listen to some of the other podcasts where we have covered this. So the the deception is not in, you know, let's say the gimbal or the go fast or you know, the the tic-tac videos. The deception is not that there wasn't something there happening. Like they've got radar pings, they've got infrared pings, they've got, you know, he signatures, all this stuff they've got. So when you look at that grainy footage, you you're like, oh, I want a clearer video. What you don't realize is that that's a military-grade video that's giving you all kinds of additional data that shows you more than just a video that could be faked. Okay. So that's the first thing. But those clear videos that everybody wants and those things, those purportedly do exist. And uh, I think Jeremy Corbell recently did a uh uh uh documentary called Sleeping Dog, in which he's threatening and and you know who knows if if he actually has it or not. Um maybe he's lying, maybe he doesn't, in which he's saying that if the United States doesn't come out with all the information concerning crash retrieval, biologics, breeding programs, etc., that he's he's got 100 plus um journalists across the planet who have all kinds of this data that hasn't been released by the government that they're all going to release it at the same time. So, you know, apparently this stuff exists, but again, it's deception. It what they tell you it means or what it purports to be is not what it actually is. Yeah,

Hitchhiker Effects And Paranormal Links

SPEAKER_03 1:18:19

yeah, guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:19

I think this this is, you know, uh it's our hand is sort of being forced to talk about all this stuff in a way, you know. And because for so long, like I I turned this off a long time ago, my mouth around this kind of stuff. Literally, my mouth. I I would talk about this stuff at dinner parties, you know, family functions, people told me, stop. And so I stopped. But we have to talk about it now because it's it's making national headlines and it's there. What I also think is really important as as Christians, obviously, is to remain discerning, remain in the Lord, remain in the word, remain in the truth so that we can know exactly what we're seeing when we see it. But also that there are so many, there are so many examples of why this thing is actually spiritual and not flesh and blood necessarily, right? And interdimensional, right? This thing is spiritual. And the fact of the matter is that these contact episodes and sightings and things like this are always, almost always, accompanied by paranormal activity as well. We have poltergeist things happening in homes when there is encounters happening with ETs and bedrooms at night. There are poltergeist things happening during the day. We have Bigfoot sightings, we have ghost stuff like the poltergeist stuff. We also have, you know, we have skinwalker stuff. So everything that maybe blur the blurry creatures guys might talk about, all the handful of stuff that we're talking about when we say paranormal accompanies this stuff. And that that gives it this, it paints a picture of this thing being completely spiritual and not necessarily benevolent at all, or rather, that they are not even close to benevolent, but rather are uh malevolent and are here with bad intentions. And um, I think the reason that this paranormal stuff accompanies these sightings is because they are interdimensional. And when something is interacting with our world from outside of our world, it's creating a window area, right? And these things can kind of come in and out, right? And so we're we're having these experiences, humans are having these experiences that they can't quite explain, that are also accompanied by these experiences with ETs. And so they're interdimensional, they're spiritual, and they're not here for the right reasons. And so we really have to remain discerning, discerning guys, and remain unafraid. We we're called to be fearless. You know, the Bible calls us to be fearless, and let's remain that way when in in even in the fact and even in the face of this stuff, we have to remain fearless. And that's, I think, something we have to remember is that even though we don't understand it and things that we don't understand, the unknown can be terrifying, we still have the Lord. And the Lord will always point us in the right direction, the Lord will always be with us as our, you know, as our protection. But the fact of the matter is we need to remain fearless around this stuff and discerning and aware.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:57

And that's one of the things that we we serve the superior kingdom. Uh and I think Zayn, you bring up a fantastic point. Um that and and even Lou Alexandro, like if you read his most recent book, like he'll talk about that as soon as he started getting involved with researching this stuff, and Lou was a former Pentagon uh lead of AllSAP and some other you know programs, um the what they call the hitchhiker effect, where these the the phenomenon would follow him home and began to manifest in his home, and they began to experience classical poltergeist activity, guys. Right. Like, you know, Drew uh not Drew Bledsoe, it's quarterback, Chris Bledsoe, his family's on record for you know, after their events, they're they're experiencing shadow people in the home, which is yeah, which is classic poltergeist occultic experiences. Like, guys, listen, the orb phenomenon that they're trying to attach to uh to um uh extraterrestrial beings has been around for for thousands of years. Like the old depictions of of uh spirit beings were always orbs. Like you you go back to the original um experiences of of folks like uh what's his name? The the guy who talked to animals with the Catholic Church, uh St. Francis. I I think it was uh Diana Posolka did you know original um uh firsthand uh testimony in the Vatican Secret Vaults, where the later interpretations were he met an angel, but closer firsthand accounts were it was a glowing orb. Like so, you know, when you watch the the ghost hunter stuff, and by the way, I wouldn't suggest anybody watch it, but I used to watch it a lot because I'm you know I've always been fascinated with paranormal and the demonic entities that they're encountering that are dead people or demons, they're orbs. You you catch it on video passing through a person's body, and all of a sudden you see these you know welts come up like something scratched them. They're orbs. The it's it's always been the same thing. These spiritual beings manifest themselves as orbs. And so the the the line between the paranormal and the the normal or the supernatural and the natural is blurred, and this phenomenon invariably always leads to that. Invariably, it always leads. And uh, I think it was Joe Jordan. We, you know, we can ask him in next month or whatever, but he said that the the one unifying thing between all of these paranormal things in engaging humans, whether it's you know, the the um you know, succubus and incubus stuff of the the Middle Ages or fairies or no or whatever or aliens of today, what whatever, all of these, all of these paranormal things. And remember, guys, we we're we're not telling you that we necessarily believe that they are what they say, okay? Um the the one unifying factor between all of them is dead relatives, all of them. Why do you see dead relatives on an alien spaceship? Why didn't gnomes bring you or fairies bring you dead relatives? Why like all the the one unifying factor across all of these paranormal experiences is the dead? Why? Why is that a thing? And it's always been that way. And the worship of the dead has been the primary religion that came out of the fallen angels of Genesis chapter six. The the worship of those dead Nephilimic kings was exactly the Canaanitic religion and ancestor worship, and it's the same thing that you find in all of these ancient um religions and even modern day practices of of um uh primitive religions. It's ancestor worship. It's we we gotta commune with these things. We we have to and the all you know, what does the scripture call them? In several places, it calls them the Rephaim. They the the scripture connects these these spirits of Hades, of Sheol as being the Rephaim of old. So all of that is very indicative of what it is that we're dealing with. Why does it lead us into the paranormal? Why does it why does like it it indicates it's not natural in origin, it is supernatural in origin. It's not normal in origin, it is paranormal in

Fearless Discernment And Gospel Opportunity

SPEAKER_03 1:25:39

origin.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:39

Yeah, and these questions that we, you know, I myself, as a 40, and you know, Charles Fort from the 20s wrote some of the first stuff on paranormal activity and was the the forefather of this kind of research, right? And so I I'd I ascribe a 40 in the name 40 into myself. I'd love this stuff, right? But I think what we have is a cool opportunity here to perhaps for the Lord and the Holy Spirit to guide us in this new and deeper understanding of what this stuff is, because it seems as though that the ET phenomena is the linchpin of a lot of this paranormal stuff, if not all of it. And so I think that because now we're being shown this narrative and we can kind of see through the narrative, but we're also nuzzling up to the narrative, we're becoming comfortable with the narrative, asking new questions about it and learning new things about it from the spirit, we might have this very unique opportunity to just learn what the Lord has for us to see on an even deeper level, what the spiritual world consists of, how it operates. So we got to keep that in mind as well. Too, if he wants that for us, I'm all about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:37

So yeah, and I think to your point also, we have a great opportunity to reach people who are open to the supernatural and exploring and remembering. Guys, the the Bible has the answer for all of this. Like the the scriptures are true. The, you know, the the revelation that God has picked to give us and to preserve in the scriptures. You know, our last podcast, we talked about the the inspiration of the scriptures and why it is that we can trust the Bible and how the Bible demonstrates itself as supernatural and not not natural in origin, and and even exits circular reason when there's certain uh data that you look at. The the scripture is solid, guys. God has given us this thing, Daniel chapter 10, the the the truth that is written in heaven, the this revelation has been given to us. The Bible's got the answer for all of it. Like the the once you dig into what's happening in Genesis chapter six and the rebellions and the supernatural warview of the Bible and what's happening with the the seed war, which it's interesting that they call them star seeds. Like the the language is is intentional, it's not it, it it's not happenstance. When you dig into the scriptures, keep your your nose in the scriptures, the Bible's got the answer for all of it. So people who are examining this stuff, it gives a great opportunity to talk to them about the scriptures. We were, uh I went and I visited Jamie Walden a couple or last month. And, you know, peep people who are Christians are not often in new age places, but he went into a zone where this guy had crystals and he was like, oh man, crystals vibes and and and Jamie, watch this segue. Jamie was like, yeah, crystals. Yeah? Tell me about the vibe. They're like, he's like, oh man, yeah, I believe that too. Uh matter of fact, I know the one who created all of them. And he used it as a segue into talking to this person and found out this guy had never really even heard the gospel before. Right. That he had he had never heard and and never heard that actually the God who created all of it, like there is a reason why some of these new age things are a thing because they are a caricature of the real thing. And it we're we're not going to go like you know weird New Apostolic Reformation where we're going to say you know the new age is hijacked stuff from Christianity and we need to go get it back. We're not going to do that. But we are going to say that that you know the scripture says that the trees will the rocks will cry out if we don't that all of creation sings and praises the glory of God. So so they're the the real stuff that some of these folks are looking for, we got the answer for guys. And if if we're equipped and we know and and we're in tune with the Spirit of God, being led by the Spirit of God, connected in prayer, reading the Bible, fellowshipping with the saints, then we can trust that God will lead us to these zones. And and I believe all of this normalization of the supernatural that we have happening with the demonic realm is going to provide an opportunity for the real stuff to shine. Like Jesus's church is going to be dressed in in in gleaming white robes by the time he comes for her guys. This this is not a time to be scared. It's not a time to be measly in in your faith. It's not a time to be mealy mouth in sharing your faith. It is a time for the righteous of God to rise up bold as a lion and say I've got the answer. And matter of fact my kingdom is superior to theirs. And how do we do that? You demonstrate it. So you better have a relationship with the Spirit of God in which he is full blown meeting with you regularly prophecy signs and wonders like it's meant for the church guys where you're meant to be out there at the gas pump reading somebody their mail that this is what the devil's bringing like this movie is a is is full blown a clarion call for the lying signs and wonders that the devil's bringing well how do you combat lying signs and wonders if you belong to the superior kingdom we had this conversation before 1 Kings 18 the prophets of Baal could not produce in the presence of the superior kingdom of the righteousness of the living God that Elijah represented. If you belong to the kingdom that stuff is not going to be able to manifest around you. And when it can't produce you get to produce and that provides you the opportunity for saying I belong to the superior kingdom and his name is Jesus and you get to lead people to Christ. So don't be scared look at this as an exciting opportunity where God is going to begin to do great things and yes things are getting more supernatural that should not be a threat to those who have always known the supernatural God and that is Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:27

Yep. And we hope that too that our familiarity with these subjects and us talking about them more and more can help alleviate some of that fear because I know that the unknown is what's scary for sure for a lot of y'all. But anyway we love you guys so much. We're going to cut it

Closing Links And Upcoming Guests

SPEAKER_02 1:31:38

and uh man what a combo. This has been so much fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:40

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SPEAKER_00 1:32:58

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