014 | Bear Bile What?

Hey Rebels! BIG APOLOGIES for ghosting you. We had some big family emergencies sucking up all our energy the last month. But we were able to record this crazy episode for you! We hope you enjoy learning more (That's a stretch, this one is yuck.) about bear bile farming, and the rescues doing amazing work providing Sanctuary to survivors of the bile farming industry.

TW: This episode contains depictions of severe animal abuse and exploitation. Listen with caution.

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Check out this week's animal news here:

Wildlife tourism risks highlighted after Thailand monkey attack

And check out this amazing new Sanctuary in China working hard to end Bear Bile Farming in a nation where this cruel practice is still legal.

Chengdu bear sanctuary, China - Animals Asia

Special Thanks to Nick Panek for music sourced through Pixabay.Com

This episode is intended to be for educational purposes and personal opinions only. The content herein does not reflect on organizations mentioned within the episode.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Oh, maybe, maybe it was on.

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Yeah. All right. So hey guys, it's L. It's Abby. And welcome to Rescue Rebel. So we haven't come to you guys in quite a few weeks because we have been in the trenches not only fighting for our own lives, but the lives of our grandmother. So she's doing well. She's home. And so finally, we're here. We are coming together. The meeting of the minds is finally happening.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

It just took a really long time. So we're sorry about the long duration of not having episodes come out. We know that we try to promise you guys these episodes at least once a week, and we just not delivered that. It's not happened. So we're sorry.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

But we were talking about something momentarily. You're talking about your phone listening.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

Yeah, so like they kind of know because we were talking about it what we were gonna do this episode on, right? So you're talking, have you ever heard like, oh, your phones are listening? So we've been talking about the bearbile stuff and like the dodo bird people. Yeah. Yeah. I kept getting like all their news reports about the bare bile stuff and like popping up on my phone. And I was just like, oh, my phone really does listen.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

I know. So even crazier, okay. I had an ad come up and I don't remember what it was for, but I thought to myself, when have I spoken this out loud? I remember being at the gym and thinking about it.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

Oh, but like not knowing if you were verbally.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

I don't remember searching it, I don't remember discussing it. It was something that was really off like off the wall, woo-woo, like strange. And then I've been getting a lot of ads for it recently. So that's really weird.

SPEAKER_01 2:25

Yeah, that's weird.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

I probably did say something at some point.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Maybe there's type something chips in our headphones.

SPEAKER_00 2:35

Or I don't know. I'm that's all of the microplastics are transmitting data back to the powers that be. I don't know. Yes, but yeah, so other than that, anything exciting going on in your life right now?

SPEAKER_01 2:48

No, I'm I'm oh that our street is getting getting ready to get done.

SPEAKER_00 2:53

That is the most adult thing I have ever experienced in my life. They're gonna do the I'm excited because they're paving the potholes in my street, which Yes, but they're that neighborhood is really bad. Their shit is gonna be jacked all summer.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

Well, here's the thing is we had to get our new poop pipe put in our yard. So I told them when he was out doing all the flagging and stuff like that, and he wrote it down on his paper to make sure that something with them knowing that they're gonna go right up to the new. He's not gonna leave anything old under our sidewalk. And I'm like thinking, well, hopefully you don't do that to anybody else. Yeah. But yeah, so we'll see what happens. But there has been like my neighbor's plumbers like every three months in the driveway.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

That's the one that Jay noticed the Watermane break in their yard back when we lived there, right?

SPEAKER_01 4:03

And there's one down the street that I noticed when I went yeah. Butcher Butcher knife edging guy. Three-wheeled lawnmower guy. Three-wheeled lawnmower guy, and then the next lawnmower, he had a frickin' tanky, t-shirt, washcloth, whatever, piece of cloth hanging out of the gas thing. Like he didn't have a motto cock attack. I'm like, if that catches you're gonna it's gonna blow up right in front of your face.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

No, it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

Yeah, he's special.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

Yeah. Sorry if you listen to this. Man, nobody knows who he is. But no, nobody I remember we we still joke about our the neighbors of from that house. Because for those of you that don't understand, the the house that Abby currently lives in, I lived in for a short duration. And so it's just pretty funny because it's like the same people are still there.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

Yeah, when we had a garage sale the one time, the daughter came over too and with her parents and they were looking at stuff, and I told I embarrassed her, and I said, You used to sing in the backyard, and when we would be loud, you would say, I'm singing over here.

unknown 5:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:17

I think she wrote me a note one time too, and it was like really bizarre. It she like folded it up and like sent it through the slots of the privacy fence. And then I opened it up and it was like, Do you want to be friends with like this really creepy smiley face with like all the teeth outlined? Oh and you know, like when you fully outline all the teeth, I was just like, yes. Folks, I was scared to say no. I'm like, she's gonna stop me. So I like sent it back through the fence and then like never heard anything after that. So like I agreed to be friends and it never came to fruition.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

But that's well, if you're listening, we're still friends.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

Yeah, we're still friends. We still G's. All right, so we're gonna segue into our episode because we've been talking for five minutes. So I'm I'm very sorry about that. Um, and we actually have a live audience today. Yeah, we won't we won't say her name, but human and cat. Yep, two cats, technically, the other one's hiding, but but we have like an official English-speaking live audience today. So we're gonna hop into this. This was supposed to be an episode that Abby was gonna do, but when we decided on the topic, she pretty much was like because I was Googling stuff and I was like, I can't read these words. She was like, This is a you thing, this is very L-coded, that we're gonna give it to her. So I'm gonna be delivering today's episode, and we are gonna be talking about bare bile farming. Bearbile farming, which is probably the craziest deep dive I've done in years, and it traumatized me. Really? So, trigger warning for everyone. We're gonna talk about some very serious situations of animal abuse and exploitation that has been taking place for thousands of years, thousands.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

This is like wild because we we didn't even know this was a thing.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

I knew it was a thing, I just never looked into it. It's like one of those things you hear about it. You're like, nah, this can't be like and you're like okay, you know, people hunt animals, they're probably just like hunting the animals and like taking the gallbladder.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

It's like smashing.

SPEAKER_00 7:34

That's okay. Take it. But yeah, you hear about it. She's just falling apart over here. You hear about it and you think to yourself, you know, they probably hunt the body parts and then and then sell them, which is like not that shocking if you've ever lived in an industrialized area that slaughters and farms animals, right? So it was kind of just one of those things that I assume that that was how it took place. No. No. All right. So the world is currently home to eight different species of bears. The brown bear, commonly called the grizzly bear, the polar bear, the asiatic or asiatic black bear, the Andean bear, the giant panda, the sloth bear, the sun bear, and our lovely cute little North American black bear that we have here in our parts of the world. Each species is known for different characteristics, habits, conservation status, and habitats. From cold tundras to bamboo forests, bears as an entire species has awed the human race with their wonder and curiosities for thousands of years. Grizzly bears are known to wander 10 to 40 miles per day, often in search of food sources or mates. Many bear species maintain home ranges of up to 1,000 square miles per bear. Being accomplished swimmers, polar bears can swim 6.2 miles per hour, and they are the largest species of bear weighing in it 1,500 pounds. The smaller, Asiatic black bear or moon bear are considered such for a crescent-shaped spot on their chest, and they are a medium-sized bear common to Asia and Iran. They weigh in around 400 pounds and are known for their cute, large ears and long lifespans. They can live up to 35 years in prime conditions.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

And I believe the Toledo Zoo Aren't they the ones that have like they're kind of like shaggier on their head? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:38

I'm pretty sure uh the zoo has either moon bears or sunbears because they're very similar, but they're technically consistently.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

Yeah, they're smaller and they're like shaggier. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Yes. So Asiatic black bears are known to mother their young up to three to four years, creating strong family units and bonds with one another. Currently, the Asiatic black bear is classified as a vulnerable species in the endangered category, meaning there are likely less than 60,000 left in the wild. Moon bears, which is the other term for the Aziatic black bear, so you will hear me use those interchangeably. I'm talking about the same species, moon bear, asiatic black bear, technically also sunbear, but I will refer to them mostly as the moon bear because that seems to be the most common bear used in these farming practices, can run up to speeds of 25 miles an hour, which is an impressive feat for a smaller, smaller mammal like this. Yes, but possibly most unique about the asiatic black bear is that they are the most bipedal bear species, able to walk on two feet for up to a quarter mile at a time. Wow. That's pretty crazy, right? Like just imagine just being there and just like this bear just walks by. And all bear species have bipedalism, which means standing on two legs or walking on two legs.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

So built for the correct.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Some are less capable. These guys seem to be the ones that are just like gonna walk up to you and shake your hands.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

So maybe they're just more skeletal structure.

SPEAKER_00 11:16

And I wonder too if it has to do a lot with their habitat, very mountainous regions.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

Oh, yeah. That could definitely they might have to be upright more to acquire.

SPEAKER_00 11:25

Yeah, yeah, to hunt, to gather, things like that. So traditionally, Asiatic black bears were hunted for meat and for the black market sale of their body parts, predominantly their pelts, paws, and teeth. But one practice seems to trump the cruel practice of hunting and dismembering these innocent, beautiful creatures. And that, my friends, is the traditional Chinese medicinal practice of bear bile farming. In 659 AD in the Tang Dynasty, Su Jing and the team of over 20 medical practitioners at the time recorded and recommended the use of bare bile to treat liver liver issues, livel liver issues in humans. This practice moved on to use uh for gallbladder, eye issues, hemorrhoids, seizures, and inflammation. It is stated to clear heat or fever within the body. Now, when you look at traditional Chinese medicinal practices, I'm not against a lot of the thought process behind it. It's it is very uh interesting in the manners in which they talk about certain conditions. We do know that inflammation causes heat due to increased blood flow to the area, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

So clearing the heat would be clearing inflammation. Just to kind of put that into context, there are practices that we use with with different farmed animals called sweating an injury. That would be an old injury that has created a lot of inflammation and heat in a particular limb. We would sweat it out, which would be removing the heat and the inflammation from the area through different practices that include meeting heat with heat, so to speak, to kind of draw the water and the fluid away from that body part. So it kind of makes sense when you think about it that way. I'm not downing traditional Chinese medicine in practice because I do think a lot of it is based in practice and repetition of practice.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

And I think that's the best way to kind of just not all your sources of medicine are.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

Let's let's look at how we're doing the medicinal sources, right? So there is a strange science behind the bile use, and scientists have now discovered that a property, an animal bile called Ursodixaholic acid. I'm pretty sure I said that right. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

Ma'am, I wouldn't have even tried.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

UDCA is what we're gonna call it, right? Is capable of dissolving gallstones, acting as an anti-inflammatory, and can cure some liver diseases. This specific acid seems to be highest in bare bile alone, making the stomach acid a hot commodity for traditional Chinese medicine practitioners. However, modern synthetic alternatives exist today that work even better than UDCA.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

So why is this even still happening?

SPEAKER_00 14:26

Right? Here's when it was synthesized. So in 1955, an enzymatic replacement was synthesized for UDCA and is now available under the names actigol and your cidiol or ursidol. Interesting, right?

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

However, in China, bare bile farming is still a widely accepted practice. To this day, an estimated 10,000 asyatic black bears suffer in the bare-bile farming industry in China. Trigger wording, this is where we're doing the deep dive on the practices. So if you need to pause it and go take a breather, by all means, let me know if you guys need a breather, right? Imagine being a 400-pound bear capable of running up to 30 miles per hour, used to living in a natural habitat of up to 1,000 square miles, and hunting or foraging for food, reduced to living in what the industry calls a crush cage. A cage so small it doesn't allow the bear to move around so that the animal doesn't disturb the bile extraction method. These cages often house the bear for their entire life, often having cubs enter the farming industry at a very young age and developing both deformities from confinement and indentation from the cage bars. We see this a lot in dog rescue when an animal is meant to roam and exercise. The lack of that as they're growing can cause severe malformation and weakness in the bones and joints, leading to their legs bowing out, hip degenerative issues, all of that. So imagine that bear, which is supposed to be roaming a 1,000-mile square mile territory every day looking for food, being stuck in a cage, probably as big as this table.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

Yeah, like I would think that joints would be seized up and everything.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

Right. So the cage bottoms are made of hard wire grates, placing pressure on the sensitive joints and paws. We hear a lot about bumblefoot.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Uh people say don't put rabbits in wire grate cage bottoms because of bumblefoot, things like that. This is what they're being put in so that the waste can literally just fall through the grates onto the floor. Bears suffer from infections, dental damage from biting at the bars to desperately free themselves, and even more distressing, many bears are wild caught in snare traps and often lose limbs, only to suffer without veterinary care, left to heal by secondary intention, which means no pain meds and no surgery.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

The bears lose hair from stress, develop psychological ticks and mental disorders. The cages don't even afford them a comfortable place to sit sit up or turn around or sleep. A multitude of different collection methods for the bile will have your stomach turning and possibly bringing up some of your own stomach juices to this fucked-up bear abuse party. So imagine having a permanent catheter surgically inserted into your side, constantly dripping your internal stomach contact contents into a collection bag. Often this is done with a latex tube sewn into a hole in the bear's side where it then enters the gallbladder. Then this tube, and I hate this term, like the way they used it in all of the research that I did, because I did a lot of research for this. I hate it. So I'm just, I put it in quotations. All right. So the tube enters the gallbladder, and then the tube is milked or harvested up to three times a day, usually yielding 10 to 20 ml per extraction.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

It's weird because like harvest can be kind of bad too, but I kind of like it better than milk. Like, I gotta go milk my bear. I gotta go harvest this bile. Like they still are both awful.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

Yeah, milking sounds bad. It gives me the gross. Ultrasound guided needle aspiration is common in Vietnam, where a long V uh long needle is inserted into the gallbladder and then pumped free mechanically of the bile. So at least they're not like hand milking it, which I hear is a pretty common practice in China, but still, that's really awful, right? So cruler still is the free drip method, which is the most common in industrial bear bile farming practices throughout China. A permanent hole or fistula is created in the bear's body cavity into the gallbladder. The bile is then allowed to drip freely into a bowl or tube. As the bear's body attempts to heal itself, a membrane may form in the fistula in as little as 12 hours and must be broken open daily to continue the free flow of bile.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

And we have a nurse over here who just looks so displeased. She's just like, how is that okay? Like, this is awful. Like your your body's doing what it's designed to do with it.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

To heal itself, it's desperately trying to heal itself, especially from the inside out.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

So think about how far they might have to go sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

Just ramrod and they they I guess they use a tube to do it, and they just it's so gross. Disgusting. Imagine being that worker.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

No, I could never.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

I know you could never. So you might think we're done, but you couldn't pay me. I know you couldn't. No. So you might think we're done, but we're not.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

Oh, okay. Keep going.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

I have possibly the most horrible torture collection method to cover. Uh very medieval in practice, like medieval torture.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Is this the one we were trying to find pictures of?

SPEAKER_00 20:27

I was trying and I couldn't. And although it's outlawed, it is noted that there's multiple cases of this method still being used.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

You gotta think of all the black market freaks out there doing it.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

For the unregulated black market mile in China today, because that is a thing.

SPEAKER_01 20:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

The full metal jacket method. That's right. I you fucking heard me. Because bears are known to mess with many collection tubes, catheters, and fistulas due to discomfort and pain they cause. Bears have been commonly in the past and still today in smaller operations, forced to wear a fully formed metal jacket or apparatus to protect and collect the bile from the fistula or milking apparatus. God, milking. Milking. The jacket is permanent, and many bears often die from internal infections due to the inability to stay clean or maintain their health under the metal jacket. Wow. Other methods of farming include starvation and dehydration periods to stimulate the gallbladder to create more bile before milking. So not only are you stealing the necessary items for them to digest food, you are Increasing it by Increasing it by starving them. And do you know how much food a bear needs in a day? It's a lot. It's a lot And they're just starving 'em so that their body Goes into starvation process and apparently creates more bile. Wow. Sadly, death from traumatic injury, liver failure, organ failure, infection, abdominal hernias, depression, self-mutilation, and more is very common in these farms. Most bears average a five-year lifespan in the bile farming industry, a mere fraction of their expected 25 to 30 year lifespan. If in the rare case a bear makes it past age five, their bile production will drop from the consistent milking and difficult difficulty it places on their systems. And so the bears are then slaughtered for their body parts like fur, paws, and organs for other parts of the medicine trade. A moon bear named Tatsi was rescued after surviving over 10 years in the bear bile farming trade. And Tatsi lived to be the oldest moon bear on record after rescue at 36 years old in 2022.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

She was like, I'm free, I'm taking everything I can. You go, girl. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

As bear-bile farming meets its much-needed and anticipated end. Advocates are working hard in Korea and Vietnam to end the industry altogether and place the remaining bile farming bears in sanctuaries across the Asian continents. Now, I'm not sure I am pronouncing these properly, so please forgive me if I am not. But the Tom Dao Bear Rescue Center in Vietnam houses 200 moon bears rescued from biofarming practices. The Bach or Bach Mah Bear Rescue Center in Vietnam is a new facility as of 2023 with state-of-the-art innovative sanctuary practices, and they aim to be the final resting place for the remaining bears as the biofarming industry reaches its finality and illegalization in 2026.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

That's exciting. The Chengdu Bear Sanctuary in China is the first bear sanctuary aimed at saving bears from the still devastating and widespread issue of bear bile farming in China.

SPEAKER_01 24:11

So China still's gotta get it together.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

Yeah, they've got a lot of work that they gotta do. And sadly, I think they're gonna need way more sanctuaries than just one. But that's how you start a movement, right? Cambodia Bear Sanctuary, Bear Sanctuary Nin Bin in Vietnam, and so many more are working hard and fighting the good fight for both sun and moon bears, both subjected to cruel farming practices in their respective regions. Now, you may wonder what all goes into bear rescue. Well, it seems to be a very lengthy process. It's not too dissimilar to much of the rescue we do for other farmed animals, and it always includes veterinary care, physical therapy, slow introductions to food and enrichment because of the severe emaciation that they are, like their bodies just are not adapted to eating nutrient-rich foods and they can suffer from overfeeding syndrome. So they have they can't just be given anything and everything they want.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

It needs to be a slow process. They also slowly introduce them to enrichment. But something that really stood out to me is how hard these rescue facilities have to work to introduce the bears to one another in social environments. Remember me talking about the crush cages, right? These bears live their lives stunted socially, never encountering other bears for socialization. So many sanctuaries have to work hard to safely and slowly reintroduce the bears to one another, often allowing them to meet one of their own kind for the very first time in their lives, probably since they were born. So, like imagine never in your life having seen a human and then how overstimulating and confusing that would be to suddenly meet them.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

Like and they're bears, so it's like you don't want them to hurt one another.

SPEAKER_00 26:00

Yeah, yeah. Humans could potentially hurt one another. You know what I mean? You wouldn't know how to act. And so I think that takes a lot of work, and I'm very impressed with how they manage that. I've watched some videos of how they allow them to share the same space, kind of similar to how we do with pigs here. Yeah, slow neutral introductions before they really actually introduce them one-on-one. But you think about what we call autism spectrum disorder from situations where you feel very overstimulated being in new environments, right? And I think that's a lot of what these bears are experiencing. Their mental growth has been so stunted, their social growth has been so stunted because they haven't been given the proper enrichment in life to develop past that point. And then to think that they can suddenly just be thrown in this situation where they can interact safely with others when they've never been given that possibility is, you know, it's it's something to be handled delicately because they literally will get overstimulated. They are dealing with some sort of spectrum-related disorder from lack of life experience.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

Thankfully, bare bile farming has reached its end in Vietnam, South Korea, Cambodia, and all Western nations. However, activists in China are still trying to end this abhorrent practice. And in many nations where it is illegal, the poaching and black market sale of bare bile is still a severe issue. So just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's fully ended.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

And there's a lot of work that needs to be done in the advocacy community to really start to move towards ending it altogether, which means don't purchase this shit because when there is demand, there's gonna be supply, right? So what do you think? I think this is crazy. Obviously, you didn't know about barobile farming, right?

SPEAKER_01 28:02

No, un until it popped. I don't even know how it oh, it popped up from the side. Yeah, so it was the news. And I was like so floored that.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

We didn't do news, so we'll have to do news at the end today.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

And I can so floored, so floored that this was even a thing.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

And we were all like, what do they use it for?

SPEAKER_00 28:20

Like, now we know Could you imagine giving David bare bile for his seat trips?

SPEAKER_01 28:26

I would be like, is there another option? Like, there has to be another option.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

Yeah, so this might be something you guys want to raise hell about. Tell your friends, get active. I mean, I know it's kind of hard living in America trying to get active about a Chinese issue, but if you're raising awareness, yeah, bringing it forward on social media, you can start to help these sanctuaries out that are able to do the the foot roots on the ground, foot on the ground, roots on the ground work. Because really, bears are truly amazing creatures. I think they deserve respect, freedom, and autonomy. And we know you agree because otherwise you wouldn't be listening to this, right?

SPEAKER_01 29:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

So that is it. That is my deep dive.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

Yeah. Well, you did great. It's a beer bile fine way better than I would have done.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

I don't know. I don't think I pronounced jury hidoxicolic chocolate acid.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Chocolate acid, ew.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

So yeah, let's go to worldanimalprotection.org and see what news we have for us today. What news? If it will load, it's not gonna be because I'm not on the right weavy. Alright.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

Oh, you can take a picture of me and we can be like, it's not bail by Mayor Bilet's Soysa.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

Okay, so now I'm really depressed because this is all shitty news.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

Is it? There's nothing good. It's a lot of monkey.

SPEAKER_00 29:59

So let's just go. Wildlife tourism risks are highlighted after a Thailand monkey attack. A recent monkey attack in Thailand sparks renewed warnings about the dangers of wildlife encounters and calls for activism and reform. They also want to do stronger travel insurance protections, which maybe just don't go hang out with monkeys and you won't get your ass.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Like if you go visit Thailand, just stay away from like the people that go up to them and then they start getting grabbed at and stuff. Well, like you shouldn't have gone up to them.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

They're literally like giant toddlers. Even even the smaller monkeys, they're just like toddlers. And like if you've ever been decked by a toddler.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

Oh, I have. Oh, I have. I still am. I still am getting decked, and even a toddler.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Yeah. So yeah, I I think that one's anybody that is traveling to an exotic destination and wants to interact with monkeys, don't, and you get attacked, that is your fault. Yes. And if you're trying to include an insurance policy because of that, you're stupid. You're an idiot. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

Stay away from the monkeys.

SPEAKER_00 31:13

Stay away from the monkeys.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

They are watching. Yeah. Appreciate like we do with all other wild.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

Yeah, especially like when they mob together.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

Oh. Like you have nightmares. I'm gonna have nightmares.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Yeah, yeah. It's not a thing. It's not a good thing. So yeah. Well, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

And these monkeys are like, yo, we were here first. What you doing? Like, get out here.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

Yeah. And it's funny too, because like I'm sure there are errors for like margins for error, but like the locals know how to deal with them. And they know, like, hey, when you're probably eating watch and watch and they're super aggressive. So don't eat outside or whatever. Like, eat inside where they're not competing for you know more food because they need to feed their babies and blah blah blah blah blah. I don't know. Well, anyways, thanks for listening. Be sure to follow us on Instagram at RescueRebelspod. I did post some stuff finally. And share with your friends. Send us an email if you want a deep dive on topics like I don't know, monkeys, mob mob behavior in monkeys. No, that would be a good one. Monkey rescue. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:25

Maybe you should do a monkey one.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

Yeah, maybe you should do a monkey episode. You had mentioned one that you wanted to do. I'm not gonna say it out loud because I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

Maybe I'll do that one.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

But yeah, and then don't forget our texting option too. Yeah, you can text us anything. Let us know how we did. Continue with the ratings. You want a free sticker, you have to send us your address because we still have a lot of stickers. And we'll send never mind. What?

SPEAKER_01 32:51

We'll send you some bear.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

Yeah, we'll send you a package of non-bearbile bear soy sauce. That would be so funny. Just start mailing out soy sauce.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

This is not bear mile. It is soy sauce.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Yeah, it's got a panda bear on the front.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

It's cute, but it looks like you can black mark it bear mile.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

If that's how they're delivering it, they need to step up the game. All right. Well, thank you guys so very much for listening. And remember, that's good.