019 | Skills All Sanctuaries Need!

Hey Rebels! This episode is going to talk about why you should take a TLAER course and further your education into Technical Large Animal Rescue Methods.

This episode does not reflect opinions upon any of TLAER Inc, It's affiliates, Instructors or Founders and is intended for educational purposes only. TLAER does not endorse or sponsor Rescue Rebels, and Stall Safe / HausShield Pro does not sponsor Rescue Rebels. All procedures, Manipulations and Techniques were practiced on a mannequin. No live animals were harmed at any point during these courses. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hey guys, it's Elle. It's Abby. And welcome to Rescue Rebels. So we were we were gabbing when we started this because we probably should have just started filming, honestly. There's been so much going on.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

We need to like plant like what a bug, you know?

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Plant a bug?

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Like what do you like so we can constantly record ourselves?

SPEAKER_01 1:01

I know that would be funny. We were just talking about the way that life tends to un unravel and unfold. And this last weekend I was out of town for a training, which is actually going to be the subject of today's episode. And the second I hit the road, it was like all hell loose. So I got contacted by our local humane agent about a truck jumper piglet. And they kind of were asking, you know, do you have any placement options and things like that? My biggest worry was with these baby pigs, is they're so fragile. For those that don't know anything about the industrial pig farming model, they load them up at four weeks old. They're barely weaned, if not at all weaned, from their mother. And they put them on a truck and then they ship them to the fattening barn. And a lot of these piglets, especially the runts, like this little guy, will fall off the truck.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Get the same. Will get.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

You know what I mean? Because these pigs will inevitably end up in the food chain. And so my immediate worry was I don't care how we gotta do it, but we gotta get this baby to OSU, right? Immediately. We need to get him seen by a vet because internal bleeding can be a factor. Broken bones can be a factor, shock can be a factor, all of these things. He was already displaying some symptoms of shock. And and the humane officer did a great job. They gave him fluids, like they were, you know, doing all the protocols right, but we really need to get an internal look.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

And on the weekend, after hours, your only option is an emergency vet. But I was already two hours into Indiana by that point, so I wasn't going to be able to do it. And so I had a very amazing team of volunteer transporters step up and get him to OSU where they were able to check him over. Aside from a few small issues, uh, his kidney values were elevated, but which can happen with shock and trauma, um, especially flesh trauma. He he really was a remarkable experience because no broken bones. He seemed to perk right up after some pain meds for his bruising and contusions. And really, he is just the sweetest little baby. And he's actually in the corner currently on temporary foster because my own organization is close to intakes. And so if you are a sanctuary out there listening and you have large finally laid down large big experience, hit me up, rescuerebelspod at gmail.com, and let me know that you have a space open. But we're just taking a day by day right now. Luckily, some amazing vegan advocates in our area were able to put money forward so that he was able to be treated.

SPEAKER_00 3:52

Very good, very good.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

I mean, it was not a financial burden on the sanctuary. So it's it was great. It all panned out the way that it needed to.

SPEAKER_00 4:00

You have space for a little baby now, but not yeah, not when he reaches.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

Yeah, he's eight pounds right now. Yeah, so the same amount of weight that my son was when he was born. Yeah, and he will grow to be a potentially eight to nine hundred pound pig.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

So it's gonna be interesting. And then my son broke his nose last night and everything else that's going on. So yeah, we were gabbing about all of that. It's been a very exciting weekend for me. Uh what's going to be going on with you?

SPEAKER_00 4:28

Infected toe is what I'm dealing with with my son.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Oh no. The cat is trying to sabotage us. Okay, so David's got an infected toe.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

Yeah, but we've been fighting them. But I think we're making headway, but that's about it. Just therapy appointments and is it like an infected toenail or is it? Yeah, like he pulled it.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

Things are happening though. We're good.

SPEAKER_00 4:52

He like picks at his toenails and he like picked up. Oh, I feel you, bro. Just wasn't keeping it clean enough.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

And that can be a challenge with kids, man. Yeah, especially kids that take their shoes and socks off a lot all the time. Yes, he can't keep shoes on that kid to save his life. Yeah. Oh, well, I hope he gets better. And if you need any help, let me know.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

Oh, thank you. It's fine. We'll we'll we'll make it through. If we lose the big toe, we lose the big toe.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

I love how you're just so like worse things could happen to David.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

Just take it off so I don't have to deal with it anymore. Because it's gonna happen again.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

Yeah, oh, it's rough. No, I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_00 5:28

I'm kidding. All jokes will stop.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

We we deal, we talked about this at the training. We talk about morbid humor because it's a coping mechanism, and that's what we do here. So, does she really want her son to lose his toe? No. No, but we're gonna joke about it so that if it does happen, we're not taken by surprise, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Yeah, he he can't walk well as it is, anyways. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

So all right, well, we're gonna jump into our animal news. This one is kind of depressing. So, trigger warning, we're gonna talk about animal death. Over 30 wild sloths die at Florida Tourist Attraction Sloth World. They were transported to Florida for a new tourist attraction called Sloth World, according to the state inspection necropsy rep records. Um, and because of this death, they are not going to open. There's only 13 surviving sloths, and they've been relocated. So I'm not sure. Dude, people love petting them. I mean, I get it, they're cool, like they're dope as hell. My favorite character in Zootopia.

SPEAKER_00 6:31

Yeah, is the sloth guy Flash. His name's Flash, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

Flash, Flash, 100 yard dash. Yeah. I love Flash. Like, I would love to be Queen of the Sloths and in like, you know, wherever they're from, Madagascar or whatever. But I'm not gonna go to a tourist attraction just so that I can, you know, get tickled and get my you know, rocks off to pet some sloth.

SPEAKER_00 6:55

I think so kind of crazy out a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

Um, it sounds like the cold confinement and extreme stress was the incident report main reason for death.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

Well, I think they are aren't they really fragile?

SPEAKER_01 7:12

They are they're very so their metabolism is so slow and their internal body temperature is already so low, yeah, that they have to be kept very warm because the slightest bit of hypothermia can can kill them instantly.

SPEAKER_00 7:25

Unclearly.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

So that's that's really sad. We gotta do better, guys. There should be no reason, any of you guys that are listening to this.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

They might be a little uncanny to look at, but they're still a living creature. Yes, they freaked me out a little bit, but they still have purpose in this.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

Yeah, and we need to do better. Like, they did not deserve that. That sucks. And that is a huge death toll.

SPEAKER_00 7:51

30.

SPEAKER_01 7:53

More than 30.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

Oh, I thought I heard 30.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

There were only 13 that survived. And like, why are we shipping them in mass? Like, you've gotta be kidding me. So if it was more than 30, let's just say 32, and there were 13 remaining, that's 45 freaking sloths. Why do you need uh 40 45 sloths?

SPEAKER_00 8:14

So everybody can have a sloth to hold and pet and touch and weird things that sloth world.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

I can't.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

Isn't that weird?

SPEAKER_01 8:22

That is fucking bizarre, dude. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 8:25

I don't I don't know, just sloth and world should never be two words.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

That that shouldn't be alone. That too. Shouldn't be alone together.

SPEAKER_01 8:38

I agree.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

I agree.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

So let's jump in today's episode. It's gonna be a bit more conversational. We are going to be talking about my experience at the technical large animal emergency rescue training in Indiana over the weekend.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:53

And I'm gonna talk a little bit about what you learn when you go to these marvelous trainings that are held by Dr. Rebecca Hustud and team, and why you as a large animal hander handle hander, hander, handler, handler, a vet, a vet tech, a first responder, need to get you just need to get with this course. Like you need to generate.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

Are there a lot of various differences of those people out there, or was it more one specific?

SPEAKER_01 9:27

We had so many different people at this last training. It was beautiful, it was an amazing mixture of so many different people, equine therapists, um vet techs, extension offices for Purdue University Agricultural Program, firemen, uh I mean uh rescuers, rant just horse people that wanted to do right by their animals. Like it was amazing.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

Like that if I'm put in this position with my horse, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

I know I really want to challenge you guys to think about something. Why are animals in emergency situations in the first place? Why is that horse stuck in that turnedover trailer that jackknifed on the highway? Whose fault is it? Is it is it the horse's fault? No. Correct. So we are the ones that are domesticating and using these animals and putting them in these situations that they need extricated and rescued from.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

And if we're gonna continue to do that, we need to do our part. We need to do our part to learn how to keep them safe or try our best to have the most positive outcome when an emergency happens.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Because it does.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

You don't want the animal to suffer.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

Yeah. I mean, I was talking to a lot of the the other fellow students during this class, and word got around about Gabriel, the pig, and they were like, What? This really happens, they fall, and I'm like, Yes. And then we had a whole curriculum day based on escaped livestock, trailer turnovers, and all of that.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

Wow. So they were like, uh educated.

SPEAKER_01 11:11

So yeah, so it's really important that we even if you don't draw from every aspect of this training, that if you uh you implement it in small ways, there's a whole whole bonfire uh safety section of it, and it and it really is worth your money. So I went to the three-day course because I've attended one of these courses previously, and I went to the three-day course, which is the operations level. I already had the awareness level. The awareness level was 200, and then my operations level was 400. And the best part about this was that the fire department that put it on and their large animal rescue team, uh, Denise and Brandon were so well planned, well thought out for this course that we had meals provided and all of these things. Like it really was worth the money. So if you're thinking, like, okay, man, I really want to do an operations level course, but I can't afford to do that, there were other things that were included in that 400 that it was so worth it. Please don't ever find a way to pay for it and get this training because if you are just a pleasure rider and you're out on a trail and your horse gets sucked into a sand trap, are you gonna know what to do? You know, it's it's a serious situation. So go a little bit through.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

So it literally like gives you multiple different scenarios. Correct.

SPEAKER_01 12:40

Yeah, yes. So I'm gonna go day by day. So we left Thursday night to attend this training because we wanted to get to our camp spot. We decided to camp at the fairgrounds that was hosting it, and we wanted to make sure that we got there in time so because it was 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. the first day.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

A full work day, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

So we didn't want to have to leave at like 3 a.m. in the morning. So we rolled in, popped up our camp spot, and the next morning we were jumping in and ready to start the day. So the first day covered trailer safety. We talked a lot about different things that and different problems that we see with animal trailering. Because if you're gonna have a large animal, you have to know how to trailer them. Even if you never plan to leave, what happens if you need to evacuate a flood or a wildfire? In November, well, I'm gonna say October. In October here, if we get a drought, we are surrounded by hundreds and hundreds of acres of dry corn. And if somebody set a spark to that field, yeah, we would have to evacuate, not only because of the fire threat, but because of the toxic smoke.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

All the chemicals they put on the Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:50

And so, you know, we're not thinking about that.

SPEAKER_00 13:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

This course teaches you how to properly hit your trailer, how to look for hazards, how to make your trailering safer. And there is an entire book written by Dr. Robin Ridgway about safe trailering practices and issues that we find in livestock trailering. And that can actually be found through Purdue University's website. So if any of you are interested in that, I will try to source it. And if I can source it, I will link it in the show notes. So we're gonna make note of that from you guys if you're interested. So that was the first half of the day. And then you know my issue with camels, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:34

Camels?

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

Kind of maybe a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 14:37

I'm just terrified of them.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Camels are freaky too.

SPEAKER_01 14:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:40

Just every time I think of a camel, I think of that video that was going on around where he was tied to a tree and picked up the person by their head and threw them. Terrified? Every time. Every time somebody's like campus, that's what goes through my they go. We show up. Oh no. You're like, I ain't touching that. And and Jay's over here, like soft puppy. Was he like, is that just a bing dong? Then he said he would say something like that.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

I walked and interacted for the first time in my life with a camel.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

Was it nice to you? Did it spine? Did it spit at you?

SPEAKER_01 15:15

No, I did not get spit on. I'm not saying that I condone that. I'm not gonna say the particular organization that my phone's ringing. You're fine.

SPEAKER_00 15:26

I was like tripping. No. I was like, I'm so not attracted to the Yeah, no, you're good.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Okay. So they won't be able to hear it. So it's fine. We're all good. It was definitely an experience. I'm not saying that I'm gonna like run headlong into a camel rescue by any means. No, they still freak me out, but it was good at least to get experience in facing my fear.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

Yeah, yeah. I think you're gonna do a lot of fear facing facing your fierces next. Facing your fierces. Fear facing?

SPEAKER_01 16:00

I don't know what I facing your fierces.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Yeah, this facing fears.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

Yeah. So that was really cool. The organization that brought the camels is an exotic petting zoo.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

Of course.

SPEAKER_01 16:14

But again, when you are doing this type of thing, you're gonna come across multiple different people with the colours.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

And this is a good opportunity too to educate them.

SPEAKER_01 16:23

Yeah, so that was interesting. I'll keep I'll keep my opinions to myself.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

So then on day two, that's for a later.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Yeah, yeah. We're talking about this.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

On day two, we had more lecturing. So there it's a good mix of hands-on and a good mix of lecture because when you're looking at getting this information out there, we you know, we had formal classroom time, which was it was fun, and it's not stuffy. People always get there like, oh, I don't want to, I already did college, I don't want to go back. The team of the T L A E R or T Lar training does such a good job of keeping it fresh and loose and and not always positive because we're facing some really hard stuff. You know, we learn about field euthanasia and things like that, but it's not stuffy by any means. And by the end of this training, we all felt strangely united, like a little family. So getting out there, meeting new people from different areas and different walks of life and pulling those not that knowledge from those people was really, really inspiring. And half of them added me on Facebook at the end of it, which was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

And maybe they'll end up being listener.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Yeah. So day two, we did some new material. We learned about the different tools for technical large animal emergency rescue, and we did some simple drags and manipulations, which is like moving a down horse. So explain a little bit about what you see in that picture. I see. Just in your language.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

I see ropes of various kinds.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

I see like ratchet straps, similar to a ratchet strap, but without the ratchet.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Yeah, like toe straps. Probably because of the strength of it. Yeah. I see like uh para beaners, those clips.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Is that what they're they call them beaners and it's so funny when they say beaner, and I'm like, Where? But you know, it it is what it is, you know.

SPEAKER_00 18:27

See these long things, I don't know what they are, like a plastic. Like, is that something to help get around the body of the which one? The white one with the handle.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

Has it got a red handle? So that's called a necopolis needle.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

And it has a handle on it that you can connect to water or air to inject water or air into a mud rescue to help break the suction the mud has on the animal. It is also a strap guide, which is also the similar thing that's the flat bar, which we call a strap guide. That one, which is a reach tool used so that you can get webbing underneath the animal without having to put yourself in danger.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 19:08

Because what does an animal do when they're panicking and they're stuck in something?

SPEAKER_00 19:12

Thrashing.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

And if you go up to a horse that's thrashing around, you can get hurt.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Yep. Yeah. You end up like my poor kid with your nose broken, right? And ropes are amazing. So now we're looking into drag manipulations and moving animals that are down or recumbent. Does anybody know what recumbent means? Laying on their side.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

Yeah, but like what's it called when they get knocked out, like you're not it can be, yes.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

Yeah, it can be that as well. But the the horses in these situations could be very much so awake and very much so at risk of her harming you, you know. So they call it laterally recumbent laying on their side. So we did a lot of drags, a lot of manipulations to to different ways to put put the rope so that it's not at risk to the horse as well, because all of the effort of rescue, if you end up killing the horse while rescuing the horse.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

What was the point?

SPEAKER_01 20:07

What was the point? Yeah, it is still very possible. No matter what, it's always possible.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

But these are trained professionals who have perfected their art and have doctorates in what they do and thesis in what they do to really pose the least amount of risk possible. So now we're talking about using a rescue glide. So can you describe this picture here that I'm showing you?

SPEAKER_00 20:32

It's just like a flat board. And like I words aren't coming to me either, like a guard panel or something.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Like so, think about this. You've had to move a dead horse before, and you know how hard it is, right? Just dragging them across the ground. Well, why is it so hard?

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Because they're dead weight.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

Well, not only that, but the friction. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Yeah, because I'm getting ready to do my living room, and I don't want to damage my new carpet, so I gotta get plastic things to put under my same concept. Yeah, so it's wide, smoothly science.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

I don't notice it, but it's fine.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

Science is physics, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 21:16

So what we're doing here is we're just making it easier on us, yeah. And easier on the horse because if that was gravel, ouch, ouch, yeah, then your vet's gonna be like, dude, I spent four hours picking gravel out of your horse's side. Thanks for that.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

So these glides can be purchased online, and I recommend that any person with an animal get yourself a rescue glide.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

Because all you have to search on Google is large animal rescue glide because when you need to move plastic with handles. Yep. When you need to move a large animal, that is how you want to do it. It makes it easier if you're doing it by hand because it decreases friction. And it protects the animal from being drug over potential foreign objects or rough terrain. The cool thing about this is you could really honestly, if you're in a pinch, a tarp, and a piece of plywood, use what you got, right?

SPEAKER_00 22:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

But if you have the resources and you can get yourself a rescue glide, by all means. By all means.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

I have a question.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:24

Were these dummies? Yes. Like real weight?

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

Yep. Yep. So you guys are going to be able to do that. So this mannequin of this horse was only 800 pounds.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

It doesn't look like a large horse.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

My my pony is 800 pounds. And 800 pounds is still, you might get the first few polls and you're like, I can do this. But by pull four, you're like, I'm gonna do enough. You're like, you're panting and you're dying. You know what I mean? It's it's rough. Found these little guys. We found a nest of baby bunnies. So we ended up putting a cone in their area because I was scared that they were gonna mo. And then we got to start on day two after a bunch of different types of drags, a barn fire course.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

Ooh.

SPEAKER_01 23:17

So we learned how quickly barn fires can happen in bales, and we tested out a new product called Stall Safe, which is a coating that is non-toxic and cribbable for your cribbing horses to ingest that delays the burn time of a particular structure by up to 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

And it isn't like coat pain. Correct. Wow, the stuff they're coming out with.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

So I will also link you the stall safe link because if you have a horse barn, this is amazing. Amazing stuff. And I'm actually going to show Abby a piece of cardboard. They have two different, so they've got the stall, the stall safe coating, which needs reapplied every six months to stay up to that 20-minute burn time.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Spray bottle it. Spray bottle. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

But they also have an actual paint, which they could then put tint in. And that paint is up to flame retardant up to. I don't remember what their rating is because I'm not a fire professional yet. But I'm going to show Abby a piece of cardboard that was inside the fire that is coated with that. That was inside the fire. It just got it got singed on the edges where the paint wasn't inside the corrugated edges.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Oh wow. That's like almost immaculate.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

And that was inside.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

It's not toxic and it's safe because we have we hear about a barn fire in our area like probably twice a year or more.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

And those are the only ones that they're reporting on.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

Yeah. And it's just like why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you do this?

SPEAKER_01 24:59

Why wouldn't you? 100%.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

Because it just doesn't it saves so much time and headache and lives. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Yep. If you could give yourself 20 minutes to safely evacuate your barn, because currently, like we tell our volunteers, you're not running in there to evacuate. If there's active smoke and you can't see from front to back and get through that barn with no obstructions, you're not going in there to evacuate them because the loss of human life, not that the animals are less important, but it actually puts stress on the first responders. They can't go in to evacuate animals if they know there's a person inside. They have to go in and they have to get the human out to safety legally before they can do anything else. And so my my philosophy is you're not going in there. Because if you don't make it out the other side, then you've just jeopardized the chance for anybody to be rescued, period.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

But with this new innovative product, it gives you that much time to potentially evacuate your barn.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

Relatively safely. Because it's going to flame retardant your wood.

SPEAKER_00 26:00

Yeah, it would only be the hay or whatever else started the fire, would be on fire to give you time for it to before it starts spreading.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

It was absolutely amazing. I I was just watching it and I'm just like, chuching, purchase.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

Yeah. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 26:18

Yeah. So, you know, we're looking into that now. You know, it's definitely not the cure-all. It's not gonna save your barn, but it's gonna give you enough time to get your animals out.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

You know, which is really truly amazing. Or if it's applied correctly, it may help self-extinguish something.

SPEAKER_02 26:39

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

You never know. The possibilities with this are endless. It's an amazing, amazing product. So we were introduced to Stallsafe, talked a lot about barn fires and things that you can do to lessen your chances and things that you should be doing regularly, like fire drills and fire extinguishers. How many barns have we worked at that didn't have fire drills regularly?

SPEAKER_00 27:03

Not all of them. Yeah, and and their fire extinguishers were probably so outdated.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Well, the first one we ever worked at didn't have any.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

Oh, I don't even recall.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

So and I believe that the only one that did was only in the viewing room.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 27:20

Wasn't even in the barn.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

That's like where it needs to be, is the barn.

SPEAKER_01 27:24

Well, you need to have one at every entrance and exit. That's what we have. We have one at every door. Now we have a relatively small barn in comparison, so I can understand a big sh, you know, horseshoe barn like that. Having one by every entrance, that's gonna be a lot. But dude, if it saved your barn, screw that. It's worth it, right?

SPEAKER_03 27:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

So we talked a lot about barn fire safety, and then we got into more high-level technical stuff. So you're gonna see more materials here. This is the advanced kit versus the basic kit that you can see.

SPEAKER_00 27:56

Like harnesses and stuff. Yep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:58

Yep. So then we got into all the fun stuff. So here you can see the Nicopolis needle being used as a guide.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

And that's Jay.

SPEAKER_00 28:08

Wow, good.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

Connected to it, and then you use it to draw the webbing through underneath the animal without putting yourself at risk. Because what happens if you crawl down in that hole with that horse?

SPEAKER_00 28:21

And he starts thrashing.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

And he starts thrashing and you get crushed or broken. Then what happens?

SPEAKER_00 28:27

Then you're two both of you are stuck in need safe.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

Yeah, but who are they gonna rescue first?

SPEAKER_00 28:31

The human.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

Correct. So a lot of the the ethics and the philosophy behind T Lar rescue is keeping the human safe so that there's a better outcome in the end.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Because if the humans are performing the rescue, they need to be safe because the second they get hurt, it's it's done.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

All stop. We have to attend to the human.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

You have to do it right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

Correct. So you'll also notice what is everyone wearing?

SPEAKER_00 28:59

Hard hats.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

Helmets. Helmets. And gloves. Boots and boots. PPE man.

SPEAKER_00 29:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

You are not allowed to do any of this if you did not have the proper PPE. So if you're gonna go to a course, they tell you you need to have a helmet, you need to have gloves, and you need to have boots. And that is important because even if you're working with a mannequin, treat it like it's a real scenario. Because if you're not being smart and doing it the right way every time, you're gonna forget it when the real thing comes around. And then that horse rears up and kicks you in the head and you're dead. You're done, right? Why don't we have more veterinarians and you know, personnel wearing helmets when they're around large animals? And I'm not talking just walking your horse to the pasture. I'm talking when we when Cosmo had his injury and they were having to wash his butt, anybody that has hands on that horse while they're washing that wound has to wear a helmet. And at first people were like, really? Like, well, what happens if you accidentally hurt him and he decides to kick out? And then you don't have an eyeball anymore. You know? So helmets. Very important when working with like large animals in distress. So then we ended up getting into the evening portion. They were so gracious and so kind to put said horse into the hole, fill the hole with dirt and water, and let it sit in the Indiana clay for three hours.

SPEAKER_00 30:34

So you guys had a get the sucker out of there.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

Yep. But get that sucker out of there after it had been sitting in concrete essentially. Now it was good, it was fun, it was successful. And what I didn't tell anybody when I walked into this was I have one wish. I want to be in the mud hole because somebody's gonna have to get dirty. The cool thing of I shouldn't say the cool thing about mud rescue, but if you think about it, the thing about mud rescue is the animal's legs are entrapped. They're a little bit less of a kick risk than previous. If the hole is large enough, somebody's gonna have to get down in the hole to do the Nicopolis needle water injection, the air injection. So that was my wish. I wanted to be down in the hole. We're gonna pause and I'm gonna let you watch this video really quick. All right, so we paused for a second because I just I had to show her the video footage that was taken of the mud rescue. And yeah, I was in the hole.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

Like in the water, whole, sitting down, whole coochie in the water.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

And it was the best, it was my favorite thing that I've ever done. So I'm pretty excited.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

It looked like you definitely learned something, and you were definitely giving it your own.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

It was amazing. I I did bend the needle, which ended up being a joke throughout the entire weekend.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

Like, dang, this girl's strong.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

I I don't know if it was that, but um, it was like old. And I felt really bad because I bent it and then I was like, oh my gosh, I just wrecked their stuff. But then a girl broke. Well, she didn't break it, the the tool just failed, but it failed while she was working with it later in the Sunday. So it's yeah, so it was fine. Whoever was like, just you know, things were breaking left and right. So it was great. Hold on, I get up. Okay, sorry. I had to respond to a message and I wasn't able to like type do multiple things at the same time because my brain is tired. So then on Sunday, we were able to learn how to package a neurologic horse. So a horse that might be having seizures or some sort of injury where they would need to be strapped down and transported in that fashion. And that was really a fantastic informational one that we did might have been besides the mud rescue. My favorite was learning how to package the neurologic recumbent horse. And then we also learned about field euthanasia, which warning for anybody that is looking into taking this course, you learn how to field euthanize an animal with a firearm. Because there are multiple factors that people don't think about when they get into these situations. You know, even if we have the drugs to do a lethal injection euthanization by, you know, penobarbital or phenobarbital, does the vet have enough of those drugs on hand to do a trailer of 40 cattle? Likely not. And so they say if you have to field euthanized with a firearm, you need to do it correctly.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

Yeah. So that the animal doesn't suffer. Yeah, that'd be awful. I wouldn't want to ever be put in a position where you'd have to do that over and over and over and over. Oh my gosh, that'd be a living hell. But like you like these are real life situations, and sometimes real life shit is not fun.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

But you gotta think of what's best.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:10

100%. So we also did trailer turnover, which was fun. Uh learned how to extract a trailer from a horse from an overturned trailer.

SPEAKER_00 34:17

A trailer from an overturn trailer. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

And then this was the packaging of the recumbent neurologic horse.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

So that was I don't know if I've ever said this story about one of the old horses on the farm that was getting chased around by a younger one and smacked his head and fell over and started having seizures. And it was me and the old guy that worked with us. And I was pregnant with David and he was gonna run out there, and I had to physically stop him because I was like, You can't, like, he's thrashing. Like, what can you do? And the other horse is still running around like a maniac, and he succumbed to the and when he lay there and took his last breath. I was like, I turn around and started walking back to the barn. I was like, I need to call Leslie.

SPEAKER_01 35:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:08

And then she let me have the rest of the tale. Because I was pregnant and I just witnessed it. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

Yeah, and you know, again, that was so smart of you to save yourselves from injury because our well, I was pregnant, I was not. But here's the thing, and and people don't think about this. Say you weren't pregnant and say you would have been the the first instinct is to get out there and kill it.

SPEAKER_00 35:33

Oh, it's totally is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

What happens? You're the only two there. Yeah, you both get your asses knocked out and you are passed out, if not deceased in the pasture, and it's probably four to six hours before someone else comes.

SPEAKER_00 35:47

Comes and finds us, yeah. Because we we would be there all day by ourselves until 3, 4 p.m. And we start at seven.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

And we have to think about these things, yeah, because then you have a whole nother problem that's gonna complicate the response to the horse emergency, how the horse emergency is dealt, and how that is dealt with impacts the outcome and the prognosis of that animal.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:15

So that was my TLR weekend, pig rescue included. And I just want to say a huge thank you to literally if any of you that attended the course with me, listen to this. I cannot thank you all enough for being an amazing team. You guys were so positive. And even though we all come from different backgrounds, meat eaters, non-meat eaters, you know, agricultural farmers, non-agricultural, it was beautiful and we worked so well together. And then just thank you to Dr. Rebecca and her team. Also, want to throw that disclaimer out that the thoughts and opinions of myself and this podcast do not reflect on Dr. Rebecca Hewsted or her team that teaches the T Lar in any fashion. But they are marvelous and wonderful people in everything that they do, they do for the animals.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

And this is what it's all about like learning from one another and being able to have our differences, but still working together and for the animals, yes, and having respect for one another.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

Correct. And there's my certificate.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

Oh, beautiful. And so I'm so proud of you. So proud of you. Thank you. And there's me walking a camel.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

Maybe you're like I should probably put walking the camel as the episode.

SPEAKER_00 37:36

As she's having that image stuff in your head and it's gonna grab my shoulder and draw me.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

Yeah, they were not super big camels, which made it a little bit better, but the one was getting a little cantankerous, and like I looked at Jace and he was like, I see you. I know what you're thinking. Oh, it was it was frightening. I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_00 37:54

What did he think about the camels?

SPEAKER_01 37:56

He was he was totally jazzed, but he's the kind of person that just like has no internal sense of danger, which is funny because I don't have a super big internal sense of danger either. My self-preservation instinct is very low.

SPEAKER_00 38:07

Oh, mine is so high. But I like I'm like, that's dangerous.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

Camels to me are like a foreign, like I think they're aliens, they've come from a different desert another, another grade altogether.

SPEAKER_00 38:21

So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

But yeah, thank you guys so much for listening. Yeah, though. We hope that you liked this episode. We have some news. We are going to be taking time off over the summer, yes, June, July, and August, because we're just gonna be busy with kids being off of school, lots of trips planned, birthdays, birthdays, so many birthdays, including you, yeah, and your son that you have on my birthday. I know. Yeah, sorry I didn't push him out fast enough. So we're gonna be taking those three months off. But what we have planned for when we come back is a whole brand new season two.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

Season two.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

So you guys are gonna get episodes up until June, and we're really excited for the next few episodes we have planned.

SPEAKER_00 39:04

We've got we're gonna watch a movie marathon. We're gonna watch chimp crazy for you guys.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

Yeah, things like that. So it's gonna be great. But just so you know, we will be on hiatus through the summer months, and then we'll be back in September with season two, and we're really excited for season two. Surprised that this podcast has even gone as far as it is going.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

I am so proud of us, and I just want to keep going with this because even if you aren't vegan or like an animal activist or something, there's so much knowledgeable information in what we do and things you never think about.

SPEAKER_01 39:39

And I think just being informed, informed, and then because the the general public isn't informing you.

SPEAKER_00 39:45

No, no, this is things that I like, and I'm not one to be very going out there, and I'm learning so much, yeah. And I think that it's just a beautiful thing.

SPEAKER_01 39:57

And you've grown too, because you're not one to put yourself out there like this. So this is really awesome to my voice.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

So weird.

SPEAKER_01 40:07

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