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E:33 The Night God Broke Me — Pastor Andrew Yasuhara

• Dawn O'Brien • Season 2 • Episode 2

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Your phone says you’re connected, but your relationships might say otherwise. We sit down with Pastor Andrew Yasuhara and get into the kind of faith conversation that actually touches real life: how to reach youth who live online, how to rebuild trust after church hurt, and why the most effective ministry tool is still simple presence.

Andrew shares why relationship beats trying to look cool, and how being genuinely interested in someone’s life opens doors that no trend can. We also unpack the Yasuhara legacy through his grandfather, Woodrow Yasuhara, a leader known for fighting for pastors, building literal churches with his hands, and living like a bridge builder long before that became a buzzword. If you care about leadership, discipleship, and healthy church culture in Hawaii, there are practical lessons all the way through.

Then the conversation turns personal. Andrew gets transparent about marriage, pride, counseling, triggers, and the moment he realized he was the problem. We talk emotional health, “small t trauma,” and what it looks like for a husband to become a steady rock, especially when life gets physically and emotionally hard. We close with a forward-looking vision for Hawaii, from stopping the brain drain to seeing faith grow among students, and a definition of aloha that challenges all of us: being comfortable being uncomfortable for the sake of love.

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Welcome And Local Church Banter

SPEAKER_01

Shuckafly house it. Alo Kako. I'm with one of Hawaii's big ballas. That's right. Hama from the hill. His name is Pastor Andrew Yasuhara. Oh, sorry, I was shouting into my microphone right after I talked to myself not to shout in the microphone. Welcome, Pastor Andrew. Thank you. You know, you are at First Assembly of God, which a lot of people go there. Actually, they go by there on the freeway. Every day, you have the most captured captive audience in the nation. It's called the worst traffic in the nation. As we go H1 West Side or West Side into town, we pass First Assembly of God that's on Red Hill. It's literally a light, a city upon a hill. And you started back in the day, even before you were born. Your grandpa was a big part of the history there. So we're gonna talk about that in a little bit, but I got to be on Pastor Andrew's podcast. You were what was it called? It's called Apostolos. It was called the Don O'Brien Hour because I took over Apostolos. She took over, she took over the show.

SPEAKER_00

And uh you started interviewing me on my show, which is what is supposed to happen on this show.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and we're going to. I will huna myself, if I may, as my brother Kaulana Pokele used to say, What gang, hono ho? He would honoho himself. I instantly hun-ho myself because at the end of your podcast, which became my podcast, I asked you to come on my show so I could do. Now, we were on a postalos and you you even prophesied it though, Pastor. It's your fault because you said to me when you asked me, Don, do you think you could come on my show? I know you're probably gonna take over and interview me. So you prophesied it, Pastor.

SPEAKER_00

Well, actually, I did because I knew I know you. And uh but it was so funny when you actually did it. I was like, is this really happening? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And you know what? I will say it was a good show, Pastor. And we're both not lying because we're here at the altar, the pulpit of the most high God. We don't want to be zapped by lightning, fall down dead, and then resurrected on this show. Yeah, even though that would make a great show, wouldn't it? It would be most likes, most views. Okay, but we won't do it. We're not lying, we're telling the truth. It was a really good show. I had a ton of fun there.

unknown

You did.

SPEAKER_01

And so we want to hono ho ourselves. You guys gotta go watch that show, and we'll put a link into the description. Apostolos, because they really are. What does that mean by that? It means the scent ones.

SPEAKER_00

You even said it on the show. You said, Welcome to my show. It's apostolos, the scent ones. Like, how do you know this? You just kind of like absorbed all of it and then took over.

Reaching Youth Beyond The Phone

SPEAKER_01

Yes, it's the public school education where you cram, jam, thank you, ma'am. Like you spit it and then you get out. You just are like done. So you really I really did learn to cram things, and then as soon as you use it on the test or the quiz, you forget it. He, of course, went to a private school if you couldn't tell by the collared shirt and the nice appearance. So, Iolani, Iolani, where Barry Barack Obama wishes he went. Wishes. Yeah, but didn't quite make the cut. So, um, Pastor Andrew, you know, you've been working the lines for Jesus for a long time with much seriousness and appreciation to you and your family. Yeah. Your grandpa was superintendent of the assemblies of God, like 80 years of ministry, and now we're adding on through you. Can you tell us? I want to ask you a hot question right up off the tip of the off of the tip of the cuff, the rough of the cuff. Um bringing youth to Jesus today, how do you do that? Because you've been working the fields of harvest with youth for a long time, and I I get approached by pastors who say they can't even have a conversation with their kids because there's so much on digital devices. How do we bring our kids to Christ today?

SPEAKER_00

Well, one of the things that I've learned on is that relationship is still everything. And for me, I'm just a I'm just very, very relational. I just like to talk. And I was asking you after, you know, we joke about it, but after our podcast, like I told you, I have so much to learn from you, but you said Andrew, you have a connection. Absolutely. I did. And I think I think that to me trumps social media. Absolutely. You know, just just to be able to build that connection and not trying to look extra cool or trying to be someone that I'm not. I'm still who I am. But just being interested, just being interested in somebody else's life, right? We you're you have this podcast, you're interested in my life, you're talking about me, except for when I'm on my you're on my podcast. Then I'm talking about myself, and then you come on my podcast, I talk about myself. But I found that, you know, just just being interested in them. And the other thing is just being a good listener. I just I'll just take time to listen. Yeah. And what's what's amazing to me is whether people are young or they're old. Like I even had a neighbor. I was washing my car, and my neighbor came out and started talking to me about how he broke up with his girlfriend. I'm like, I just met you, like I'm just washing my car. I I just saw you like a like a couple times, you know. But there's just something about being interested and listening and making people feel valuable. That I find that it breaks that barrier of people being on their cell phones, and and really it's not about having an agenda, but just about just being interested. That's what I found.

SPEAKER_01

And I will say that you are Mr. Relational. Uh, two things come readily to mind. Number one, I had lipped off a few years ago. This was after maybe it was during COVID. Okay. And there was an incident where I was at your church. He's pastor of Metro Assembly of God. Oh my gosh. It was super embarrassing. It's like a scar, it's a spiritual scar. And every time I see Pastor Andrew, I remember that I shot my mouth off as the big mouth for big aloha does. And I am a big mouth. And then um, I we had a faithful older brother in the ministry. We won't name who he is, but it rhymes with Pastor Calchanen. Anyway, so Calchanen comes to me and says, Don, you know, you said this thing about Pastor Andrew, and you were at his church when you said it, and a number of people heard it. Could you just kind of what was your intent there? I know your heart, you're so good. And the way that he did it as a spiritual father, I call him Papa Cal, um, was so gentle and gracious. And so I was able to come to you in true humility and thank you, Pastor Andrew, that you forgave me. Because then I see you all the time, and there was no offense, no offense in you. You're totally, like for real, forgave me. Like it's gone. And so thank you for that. But you're also relational in that, and and as you're talking about kids on devices or youth on devices, and I'm talking older youth who are like our age or above, that we're all thinking we have this Wi-Fi connection with the world, world wide web, but really we're disconnected from each other. Right. So, in a world of disconnect, there's actually an issue with you show up as your true authentic self. You are absolutely loving and forgiving, and you're present. You give presence. So I would say absolutely you're true, sir. But how do we do that with our youth? You just said just be there and talk with them, just be there, be interested.

SPEAKER_00

Uh don't be intimidated. Uh, because I don't I don't know all the trends, I'm not in TikTok. But thank God. But there, but but there are things about them that I want to learn. I want to learn about them. I want to see what gets them up in the morning, right? What are you interested in? So so those are just some of the things that I find that it just helps to build that connection. And then in turn, then it starts to grow and grow and grow. Where then I find myself in in places where, like we're sharing, like my son, he went to Iolani, and just because I'm interested, now I'm a part of their Christian club, and I'm just saying, how can I help? How can I just be a part of this? And then they're having worship nights and all of this, and we're starting to see revival just because I was there. And well, the amazing thing for me is you think about my name, Andrew, you know, he didn't preach any huge message in the Bible, right? He didn't say anything really significant and profound, but one thing that he did was he just connected people quietly, he just connected people to Jesus. He he connected his brother, the boy with the five fishes, the Greeks. He connected all of these people to Jesus, and because of that, the world was changed. And it's just because he was interested, right? And so and present and present and engaged, and so he he knew it was happening, but people are hungry. Oh, here's a boy with five loaves, two fish, right? Or or people want to see Jesus and they're not Jews. Hey, I know, I know, I can get you backdoor, I'll get you to Jesus. So that's right. So he was able to do it in a way where he wasn't in the forefront, he wasn't like in the spotlight, but he was being himself, and that's where I I say for me, that's like my secret sauce, my secret weapon. It's just being interested, but then it opens a lot of doors.

A Legacy Of Bridge Building

SPEAKER_01

Well, and you are a connector, Pastor Andrew. I love that you said that. I never thought about Andrew that way, that he was just a connector, and he was kind of the background guy. He allowed others to take forefront, but there was such a value in that. And as you say that, that leads me straight into my next question I had prepared. Your family has done massive, miraculous ministry. I mentioned your grandfather, 80 years of Hawaii history. And when I think about the faithful ones, pastors who have been pillars along with their spouses and their children, and then you became a PK, a pastor's kid. Right. You even shared on Apostolos our other podcast that you that we co-host together. Um, that you were a PK, pastor's kid who ended up walking away from church for a season because of some of the hypocrisy you saw, and then God brought you back. But 80 plus years of ministry, what is it like growing up, not just as a PK, but a superintendent grandkid? And did you see things that you didn't want to see?

SPEAKER_00

Actually, my grandpa he was really good about it. Uh he kept family as family and ministry as ministry, and so I only knew him as grandpa, and then I would just see him on the stage, I would just see him in the front. We if you have to go preach at another church and support another church as a family, we would just go. But that's the beauty of my family, is that he was able to shield me from all of that, from all of the church hurt and from all of those things that turn people off from church. Uh, and so much so that I don't know much about the legend of Pastor Woodrow Yasuhara.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I was gonna say, bruh, I walk into certain churches and all I have to do is drop that name. And I know that in the kingdom of God, we don't do name dropping, but sometimes I just do it for fun, and I'm like, oh, really? Because Superintendent Yasuhara, and spine stiffening straight up right away. And I'm talking with my Hanai dad, Pastor Jimmy Yamada. I'm talking with um Dr. George Nagato, also a superintendent. I mean, they salute in the spirit realm your grandpa.

SPEAKER_00

He was one of the generals. He was one of the generals, even though he wasn't a senior pastor, he was the district superintendent and he believed in people. Um, there are stories where uh the Samoan assemblies of God would their pastors would come from Samoa to plant churches on Oahu or in in Hawaii, and our national general counsel said, Well, you were ordained in Samoa, but you're not ordained in America. You have to retake all the tests. Right. And my grandpa was like, their first language is Samoan. Wow. Yes. How would you like it if I made you take a test in Samoan and you only speak English?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, wow. Right?

SPEAKER_00

So what he did, he literally grandfathered them in because he said that's not right. Yeah. I see the call of God on your life. I'm gonna and he told me, he said, Andrew, if I don't fight for my pastors, then who will? What was his attitude? And so come on, so those pastors that you see, especially you talk to any of the Samoan pastors, they named their kids after him. Wow. Their names are Woodrow Lafa L, Woodrow Tung Viloa, right? It's actually Woodrow Valvassa. That's I know him. He was making a lot of trouble in our church when I was younger.

SPEAKER_01

We're Samoan. We ain't got no fear of some moments. We have a fear of God in this house. All right, and his name is Andrew Yasuharam. No, that's good though, because there is such a gratitude for what your grandpa did. And as a Southern Polynesian, I love that he stuck up for them because this is our second language, and he was right.

SPEAKER_00

And then another cool thing that he did, not only did he s stand up for them as pastors, but another thing that he did was with his own two hands, he would go and help build their literal church. He would go and can help with the construction.

SPEAKER_01

What?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so you asked any of these pastors, he would go, he would fight for them so that they could be pastors, and then he would literally go and build the church with them.

SPEAKER_01

And I love that when you were talking about fight for them for not to have to retake the test in English, that you said he literally grandfathered them in. And speaking as a Southern Polynesian and in our Polynesian culture of Hawai'i, Hanai is one of the most powerful spiritual concepts, the the spirit of adoption, which you and I both know that Jesus and God adopted the Gentiles, right, the non-Jews, into the family, and it is a powerful love. For your grandpa to practice that, you know what else I hear, Pastor Andrew, is a humility in your grandfather. I didn't know him at all, except by the reputation, right? And much respect to him and love. But I hear the humility in this Japanese gentleman who laid down his life and even went out, and he was literally the hands and feet of Jesus helping build these churches. Because that's coin on the street, that's credibility to go out there and be with the people, the presence of the Lord. God bless your family.

SPEAKER_00

And he fought in World War II. And you know what his job was in the military? To build bridges. No Andrew, the connector bridge builder. And then he becomes a superintendent and he just builds bridges.

SPEAKER_01

I have God bumps everywhere. And you know, I don't say these are chicken skin because I ain't created in the image of a chicken. These are not goose pimples because Auntie Dawn does not have pimples. Okay, I won't lie. But these this is not chicken or goose, this is God, because when the Spirit of the Lord shows up in the room, we stand up for the commander in chief, whether we like it or not. I did not know that your grandpa literally was in the war. Was he part of the 447?

SPEAKER_00

No, he wasn't. Okay. But he was just a bridge builder. He was in construction. Yeah.

A Mantle Passed Down With Love

SPEAKER_01

Wow, deep roots and wonderful service to God and country, both inside the church and without, like in the community. Yeah. Holy! And this guy, humble Japanese guy, but I am neither Japanese nor am I humble. So I gonna brag. I'm gonna be Don Yasuhara O'Brien, Don Woodrow Yasuhara O'Brien from now on. I love it. Um, and that you got to be shielded, but you know what really also moves me, Pastor Andrew, is that you were shielded as your grandfather you said did, but you did still see things. You left, you came back, right? And that you're secure enough not to flinch back from talking about stuff that a lot of people will not talk about. Yeah, like the church hurt, you said it readily. Um, there's sometimes toxic church culture. And I think God allows exposure for inoculation. Does that make sense? It's a vaccination against the evil one. Because you're standing at the front lines of the greatest battle in history, yeah, and we're gonna go all in. You're in there for it. Okay. Um, has all of that history influenced you as a husband and a dad? And if so, how? My grandfather, you're talking about? And the legacy of a long-lasting.

SPEAKER_00

So, what I like to tell people is number one, I served on staff at First Assembly of God for one year with my grandfather. Oh, and that was that was that was the first time I saw him in that light as a pastor. Andrew, what a gift. We did baptisms together, funerals together, uh, staff meetings together. That's amazing. We did hospital visitations together. It was amazing for me.

SPEAKER_01

Brah, that is a gift. I wish I could have ever said I ministered with my grandma or grandpa. That's huge. For a whole year.

SPEAKER_00

For a whole year, and at the end of that year in December of 2001, he passed away. Oh bless him. And what I tell people now is Pastor Yasuhara will always be here for you. Wow. He'll always be here for you. You know, because he married their grandparents, he led their kids to the Lord, right? And now, this Pastor Yasuhara, I take up that mantle. And when he was on his deathbed, I to my recollection, and I could be wrong, but to my in my memory, he grabbed my hand, he said, Andrew, the places I could never go, I want you to go. You know, the things I could never say, I want you to say, right? The things I could never do, I want you to do. And he literally like passed the mantle on to me before he passed away. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Holy wow, Andrew. Okay, now you're making me cry, man. Like that. You know, I hear about people who get to have a T-set from their grandmother or a pass me down, you know, heirloom legacy um jewelry. You receive the mantle, you receive the blessing. That's like Elijah unto Elisha. And Elisha received twice as much, he showed twice as many miracles, right? If I know my Bible, which I think I know one fact, I'm gonna bust it out. That was the one fact I know. But that's huge. What a heritage and heirloom legacy you received from Woodrow Yasuhara. And to know that we on this side of the younger Yasuhara, right, still get to have, as he said, you always have Pastor Yasuhara with you.

SPEAKER_00

He always had an open door policy, he was always there for people. That was his that was his heartbeat. And so that's why I carry myself the way I do. Not that I worship him, but I want to honor the memory of my grandfather by the way he lived his life. He was always championing people, empowering them, seeing the best in them, even when they couldn't see the best in themselves. Yeah. And so that's how I've kind of become who I am, is a lot of it is just kind of looking to him, you know, and it's like, what kind of pastor was my grandfather? And like you're right. I I said, Grandpa, I want a double. I literally said that. I said, Grandpa, I want a double portion. I'm hungry. I I want I want what you have.

SPEAKER_01

Amen. And the Lord loves a heart like that, like Jacob's heart to wrestle with the angel and say, I'm not letting go until you give me the blessing. And that's also what Elisha did is no, no, I'm gonna follow you and stalk you, Elijah. You might be going up in the chariots of fire, but I'm gonna be hanging on to the wheels of fire until you give me the blessing, right? So good for you because you honor the Lord and you honor your grandfather. And I will tell you, friend, on this side of the younger Yasuhara, I see all of the fruit and more. And as you were talking about your grandpa, the highest compliment, you said he was there for the people, he served the people, and he gave them a very real love. That's what I've experienced with you, brother. Even when I was sharing that very embarrassing story about me lipping off. I can't even remember what it was. That's so amazing that Yasuhara. Oh my gosh. I remember what it is. I'm wearing a t-shirt every day beside of Jesus. I'm a Yasuhara too. We were at the installation service for Pastor Joshua Ko recently. It just happened at the time of this filming, and um, it was like, I don't know, five years long. No, it was a four-hour-long service. It was it was a few hours, and it was it was probably the best installation I have ever witnessed. You probably have seen more because you're part of the Yasuhara clinic. But it was beautiful. And at the end of the time, they have this guy come up as the MC, and he's supposed to wrap it up. And as an MC, I'm like, oh my gosh, how is he gonna drop the mic? How can he possibly put a bowl on this and end it? And he gets up, and Andrew Yasuhara says, as the MC, at the end of this four-hour long installation, he goes, All right, family, well, that's it. We're gonna pray, but we're gonna go eat lunch. And I just want to remind you all after this whole long, beautiful installation service, it's not let's go, it's let's come as a wannabe website, right? That's the call for scrap right there. That's the evil comic home. I gonna lay some people down, and this is concerning the devil, not here against flesh and blood. Yes, yes, but you said that, and I mean I was ready for tie my hair up, memorable slippers, and pound the devil. You kneeled it, Andrew.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, it was so good.

SPEAKER_01

It was so good.

SPEAKER_00

Because they were saying that um Pastor Kahi was saying that coal in Hawaiian is to what was it? I can't remember. Is it to mend or to build? Yeah, something like that. To bring together to bring together to connect, yes. To connect. So and then I found out later that coal in Korean is actually to go. Oh wow. So what's coal and he's Korean?

The Episode He Sent To Singapore

SPEAKER_01

And he's Korean, you are pathetically and literally and naturally and naturally. I mean, you know. I was like, drop the mic, but don't drop your Bible. Let's go. You know, I was gonna ask you, okay, so here's some odd god, miscellaneous drawer questions. You have your own podcast. What was your favorite episode? Hmm.

SPEAKER_02

Hmm. There.

SPEAKER_00

I'll tell you this, Don. Yes. The only uh podcast I've ever shared with my family in Singapore was yours.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my gosh, yes, uh blessing.

SPEAKER_00

Because you referenced my father-in-law.

SPEAKER_01

And he is very important.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah Pastor Choa. Can you tell us why? Why is he so important? I'm gonna interview you, right?

SPEAKER_01

Oh my gosh, he flipped the tables on me. Very Jesus-like flipping up tables. No, I will tell you the why that I know, and this is because my Hanai dad, we talked about the power of Hanai, Pastor Jimmy Yamada talked about a time when he came to a crisis conflict acrossroads in his faith, and it was Pastor Yasuhara was there, Pastor Ko, the dad, not Josh, but his dad, and it was Pastor Chua, who is your father-in-law, and they talked him down from um leaving. And it he said, if it wasn't for, he said he had all respect for Pastor Yasuhara, all respect for and love for his senior pastor, Pastor Clayton Ko. But it was the words out of Pastor Choa's mouth that really made him think. And so if he had not saved, and I said this on our other podcast, if he had not helped bring Pastor Yamada and keep him stably um plugged into First Assembly of God, I don't know that I would be sitting here in this moment in this space. Wow. That's my important point. But you can tell us why.

SPEAKER_00

Well, it's it's important because he is struggling right now. He's he just had his bladder removed and went through four months of chemotherapy, just very, very weak. His voice, he's like he has a sore throat every day just because he's all the trauma that his body's been through. And so I wanted to cheer him up. And I said, What? And my wife said, You better send him a podcast.

Running, Golf, And Staying Young

SPEAKER_01

And I love Kim, not as much as um this guy over here, but probably more, if I were to be honest. I love you more, Kim, than he does. No, um, but very seriously, God bless Pastor Cho. And I I hear that that onward Christian soldiers marching as to war is one of my favorite hymns. I bet Pastor Cho does too. Uh but we pay the price. And you know that as a person who's paid the price in your own life, Pastor Andrew, but also come from a legacy of family, that we pay the price, even physically. So God bless you, Pastor Cho. As you are in Singapore, I don't know how to say hello in that language. I would have done it in Korean Japanese or West Side Polynesian. But hello and God bless you, thank you for serving. Now, um, you're very trim, Pastor Andrew. This is our next up in the odd god miscellaneous drawer question. You're very trim. Why is that? It's hard for me to figure out as a Polynesian. Is it a workout schedule, diet, fasting, pickleball? What gives? What is it?

SPEAKER_00

Well, first of all, I'm getting older. I'm actually I'm old.

SPEAKER_01

What, 35? I'm gonna smack you right now. I mean lay hands on you with prayer at a high velocity.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I passed 50 like last year, so Josh, you're mad.

SPEAKER_01

No ways. No ways. Look me in the eye right now, and don't you lie. You're over 50 years old. I'm 51. Holy smoke! I was born in 1974. Oh my gosh, I had you pegged for like you're like howdy duty. You look like you're in your 20s, dude. You're 51.

SPEAKER_00

Maybe this is how I connect with the younger generation. I just look young. I just assume that I'm like their age. You know what's really funny? It's like my when my daughter, she's gonna graduate from college this semester, but her first day, you know, at UH, my wife's like, you better just take her down there. And she didn't go to the orientation, she doesn't know where any of the buildings are, that's where you went to school. I said, Oh sure. And I went in, I had a white shirt, green pants, and a backpack. I said, I'm going with the unicorns. And then afterwards, all her friends were like, Oh, you guys you wanna go work out? Uh no, I think we gotta go. What class are we going to next? Um They thought you were one of the guys. They literally thought I was one of the guys. They thought I was her brother, I think.

SPEAKER_01

I was gonna say this young-looking hot guy, and then I'm like, Oh, yeah, can you tell us what your friend's name is? That's my dad, and that's disgusting. Okay, my mom's waiting at home. He's my Uber ride. Your poor daughter, and I know your daughter. She's coming all.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, she graduated. And I forgot to bring it up on my podcast that she's connected with you during COVID.

unknown

Right?

SPEAKER_01

Would run my social media because she's actually young. We look young. See how I lump myself in there. If you're gonna use pronouns in any other way than is biblical, that should be it right there. We look young. But his daughter would run my um social media and then do all the Instagram because I couldn't figure it out at that point. So thank you for that. That is another connection. Yes. The O'Brien's are invading on Yasuhara territory. We're coming in hot. All right, next question. It's because you you look young.

SPEAKER_00

No, it's because I'm getting older. Okay. So Pastor Cole, who was my senior pastor at the time, he was into running. And he said, I used to work out, I used to lift a lot of weights, but now I'm getting older. I'm gonna make sure my cardio is good. Not it's not how strong I am. True. And so I just kind of followed in his footsteps. Wow. Just started running. It just started last year. And so I just run like a couple times.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you look really trim. You've always been a fit guy, as far as I could see, but you've gotten even more trim and fit. So it's the running. Well, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus, but onward with the next question. I hate running, dude. If you see a tongue in running, you should be running a lot faster because we're about to die. That's just your sign. Look for me if I'm running, run fast. Um, here's another odd bot odd god miscellaneous drawer question. Favorite hobbies? Is it board games, gardening, sourdough baking, Yahtzee? What is it? Well, sourdough baking is a close second. Ooh.

SPEAKER_00

No, I don't I don't I don't bake.

SPEAKER_01

I love sourdough. I was ready to like you all the more than a lot of people. Well, my sister does a sourdough now.

SPEAKER_00

People they're very into it. They gotta be the starter. The starter, yeah. You gotta take care of it like it's your kid.

SPEAKER_01

I have a friend, she has a starter from um, somebody blessed her with one from Maui. Then she went to San Francisco, got the real starter, and then she made her own. She has three different starters, and she has to babysit them like their pets or children.

SPEAKER_00

They like your kids. Yes. They literally like your kids.

SPEAKER_01

They really are. So much respect to sourdough people. We both eat sourdough because we're fit, but one of us doesn't run. Back to you though, favorite hobbies. Um, I am Asian, and No, you don't.

SPEAKER_00

And like most Asians my age, we like to golf. So I love golfing, but I'm not that good at it.

SPEAKER_01

Hence the golf shirt. Very nice aloha shirt.

SPEAKER_00

My wife got it for me for Christmas.

SPEAKER_01

So notice he gives the shout-out right to the wife. His wife dresses him, she does. And that's why he looks good.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I just do whatever she tells me. There's no shame in that game.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, keep dressing him. Yeah, 25 years. 25 years of marriage. And again, your wife's name, you can give her a shout-out. Karen Yasuhara.

SPEAKER_00

That's not Kim, that's Pastor Josh's wife.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Name the kids. So my daughter, I have one daughter, her name's Destiny, and then my son is Dylan. So my son just started college as of this recording last semester.

SPEAKER_01

Wow. Yeah. And Destiny's already graduated.

SPEAKER_00

She's going to graduate two months from now in May, I think.

The Marriage Turning Point

SPEAKER_01

Is that right? I'll just ignore that. I feel old with that comment. But so, Karen and you, how many years? Twenty-five. What's the secret?

SPEAKER_00

Well, uh, take speaking of my grandfather, the secret is my grandfather says two things don't die and don't get divorced. That's what he's saying.

SPEAKER_01

With another touchdown wisdom. Don't die, don't get divorced.

SPEAKER_00

No, seriously, the secret for me is when I realized that I was the problem.

SPEAKER_02

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

That was the secret. When it wasn't her fault, it wasn't she was a reason why our marriage wasn't doing good. It was because of me.

SPEAKER_01

Holy wow. Andrew, you just went straight there. You just dropped the water line. We were looking at really good looking. We're gonna show it on the screen. Karen and Andrew kissing in a tree. Yeah, we were. Um but you dropped the waterline on that iceberg and showed us the real because I think it's important to address that Christian pastors also have marital issues. But I love what you just said. You said when I realized it wasn't her was the problem, it was me. That was changing. Marriage changed.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that happened in like 2018. Wow. So it wasn't like when we first got started, it was a lot of bumps in the road, a lot of arguments. We're both strong. Yes, we're both very, very strong. Yep. Um, I'm just nice to everybody else, but when it comes to my wife, I'm just very stubborn and stuck in my ways. And she had come to our story is she had come to the point where she actually we got we got into a huge fight, and she and it was like we had so many fights, so many, so many fights and arguments, thank you for the end. Like in front of our kids too. Wow. And and it was so bad, and it was after this one fight that she just prayed and said, God, I give up. That's what she said. You gotta take care of she literally said that to God, I give up.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I can't do it anymore. That's the end.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I can't do it anymore. And it just so happened that I have a friend who who goes to inspire, uh, and he invited me to this men's conference. I'm like, okay. And it was actually UH graduation the next day. I said, I can only make it Friday night, and I'm gonna come on Saturday morning, and after the morning session, I gotta, I gotta go pick up my family. Right, we gotta go down to UH. And it just so happened that at that at that conference, at that men's conference, I can't remember his name, but this pastor was sharing the story about how he when he first got married, he got into this huge fight with his wife, and he stormed out of the house and he said, God, I just need a new one.

SPEAKER_02

What?

SPEAKER_00

And then God spoke to him and he said, You know, your marriage is a product of your husbandry.

SPEAKER_02

Woo!

SPEAKER_00

And so when I heard that, the Holy Spirit conviction, the conviction of the Holy Spirit just hit me like a ton of bricks.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I just broke down, and God just started saying, Andrew, you are the problem. You're the problem. And they we I I I can rem I can remember it to this day. They were singing cornerstone, the worship team was singing cornerstone, and I was just bawling, crying. And I I just in the middle of the altar call, they didn't even finish. I knew what I had to do. I got up, got up, went to my car, and I drove home, went on Spotify, turned on cornerstone, stayed in the moment, and when I got home, back then my kids were still in like elementary, right? I said, Karen, I need to talk to you. And went into the room, closed the door, and I said, You know how many times I've told you that I was gonna change? You know how many times I told you that I'm gonna be a better husband, I'm not gonna tell you what I'm gonna show you.

SPEAKER_02

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

My sarcasms, my passive aggressiveness, like all of those things. I said, Karen, I'm not gonna tell you, I'm gonna change. I'm just gonna show you. Because I mean business. Yes. And so so from that point on, God started putting things into my life that were my passive aggressiveness and my you know sarcasm started to get less and less and less. And then a couple of years ago, um, my sister-in-law, who I think you know, Rebecca Furoshi, do you know what that is? Yes, okay. Yes, so great family. She she was doing this class on emotional health, and she was just talking about triggers, and she just defined a trigger as uh your reaction, you overreact to something that shouldn't have been a big deal. And the Lord started speaking to me about things in my past that goes all the way back to high school when I felt like I was on the outside looking in, where my friends did things without me and talked about it in front of me. Oh wow, and how that I I thought it's not a big deal, it's like a I found out later it's a little tea trauma when I just thought, oh, it's only big T traumas that affect us. And so when I when I started to realize those things, the Lord started to open things in my heart, and then I'm like, what else is there? So then I gotta find help for this. Yes, and so I actually ended up meeting a friend from Japan, and he's like, I said, What are you doing now? I I gotta go see my counselor. Good. Uh and and so I said, I'll go with you. And so went up, went up to the building and just ran into this guy named Mark. I don't know if you ever met him from New Hope Counseling.

SPEAKER_01

Mark Hovland. Yes, Pastor Mark Hoveland is a dear brother of mine. Yes.

SPEAKER_00

I met him for the first time in my life. He's been in ministry for a long time doing career counseling and great guys, and I just said, Hey, um, I I've been I I haven't even started looking, but I just know I need to see a counselor. And he goes, I'll put you at the top of my list. And so he slotted me in.

SPEAKER_01

Andrew, you have the favor of the Lord. He's been in ministry for many years. He is one of the best of the best at New Hope Counseling. Yes. He is a brother of mine. Wow, he put you at the top of the list.

SPEAKER_00

Because he said, if you're a pastor and you get healed, how many more people can you come on and heal, right? So so from there, I started to deal with all of these things inside of me from high school to college, yes, to working at the church, church hurt. We're talking about church hurt and dealing with all that church hurt. Yeah. And I found that when God started to heal me from the inside, that there's a confidence. There's a confidence that came over me, and I'm and I can lead the way God's calling me to lead, and I can do the things now. I can be there for Pastor Josh the way he needs me to be there for him. Wow. So even like doing that podcast, like I don't know. I've never done a podcast before, you know? But you're masterful. But I have confidence now. Right. Because God's fixing here. Wow. And so that's where going back to my marriage, yeah. We are the best place we've ever been in in 25 years. In 25 years, this is the best we've ever been. Hallelujah. We we don't fight as much as we used to. Wow. We may have disagreements, but not we don't fight the way we used to. Right.

SPEAKER_01

And now I'm she's praying, I'm done, I give up.

SPEAKER_00

There's none of that anymore. And now I'm catching myself, like, oh, that was wrong of me. I'm gonna stop that before it escalates.

SPEAKER_01

And that's all we can ask for, right? Yeah, that's huge, Andrew. Thank you first and foremost for your courage to be that transparent. I've always said that in in order to have a relationship with someone, there has to be trust. And trust is built on truth-telling, right? You just shared a lot of good truths, I'd call them god drops, god bombs. Yeah, but you shared so much in that, and just thank you for the transparency, first and foremost. And that as a husband, I really feel like you delivered a word that a lot of guys really can use, right? I I want to be very gentle on the way that I touch that because it's a sensitive topic for men. But when you identified I'm the issue, and even if it's a small tea trauma, like you said so well, and not necessarily a big tea trauma, they were still there and you were acting it out. Unfortunately, we do it a lot with the people that we're in significant relationship with. Often it's your spouse or your significant other boyfriend, girlfriend, and you are acting it out with Karen. Yeah, but thank God for the faithfulness of her prayers. I assume she's a Christian. Actually, I know she is a Christian. Um and for long suffering, because in the Bible it says that his love is long suffering, right? And that's often where a wife has to be in a position to do that. So thank you all the way around on that. Right. Wow, you just dropped a really great one.

SPEAKER_00

And one of the things I realized through this whole journey is that you know what Karen needs for me? It's not me, not for me to be dominant or to be top down in my leadership with her, but simply to be her rock. You know, that she can depend on me. Yeah, that when she's going through a hard time, I can tell her, hey, we're gonna make it. Uh it was six months ago when uh Karen had a freak accident. In fact, Pastor Choa and my mother-in-law were here for my son's graduation, and she was trying to climb over our bunny cage, and her foot got caught on the cage. The cage is like this high, and she it got caught on the cage, and she wasn't fast enough to brace herself with her hands and fell with all that weight on her left knee. And she shattered her kneecap, and she was in so much pain. It was in the middle of the night, had to take her to the hospital, take her to emergency, and through the whole process, I had to help her. I I became her her in-home nurse, right? I her caretaker, right? And I was helping her. That's hardcore. Just doing all of that, but through all of that, I was just like, Karen, it's gonna be okay. Wow, God's got this, God's got this. And I was able to be her rock, yes, you know, when she's going through a hard time. Yes, right, instead of like, oh, look at me, you know, right, I'm tired, and but I said, No, Karen, it's gonna be okay because I'm here for you.

SPEAKER_01

That's amazing, Andrew, because and yes, I would say yes and amen. I second that emotion because as a strong woman, and I know your wife, Karen, to be a strong woman. She's very smart, she's very adept, she's able, she's a spiritual leader. But with you, her husband, it's simply being a strong rock, especially when we are at our weakest. It's to be able to turn around and go, Have you still got me? Is it okay? Are you gonna walk away? Are you gonna drop me? And you didn't. And caretaking is one of the hardest jobs on the face of earth today, right? So much respect to you for being with her through that. Is she better now? I mean, that's getting there.

SPEAKER_00

Six months later, she can she she can bend her knee almost all the way now, and now it's strengthening her leg. Rehabilitate, yeah. It's just a process, but I'm just I just learned like just to be there for her and say, God's got this, we've got this, and always praying for her. Yes. And I remember when she came back home because uh the scar tissue had kind of set in and she couldn't bend her leg past like 90 degrees, and so we took a chance and we did a manipulation where the doctor under anesthesia would just like force it back, and he said he heard a crunch, you know. It's like crack. But she could move it again the way she used to she was able to before. And we got home. I said, Why don't we just pray and just thank God? And I just said, Why don't we read Psalms 121? I'd look up into the hills from whence coming my help, and we both just start crying, you know, because we realized that God was saying, It's gonna be okay. Yes, it's gonna be okay. I God's got this, right? So that's that's our journey up until now. I love it where God took my heart of stone and made me into a rock for Karen, right? So that's 25 years, how to do it. I think it's for men is to say, Hey, I I gotta put my pride on the side and say, I think I am the problem. Wow, I think I am the one with issues. I have to say to myself, I need help.

SPEAKER_01

That's huge.

SPEAKER_00

And when I was able to do that, now I can be there for my wife. I can be be there for my kids. And honestly, the best parent advice is love your wife.

SPEAKER_01

Amen.

SPEAKER_00

Have a strong marriage, you know, because that's where your kids get their security.

SPEAKER_01

That's their launching pad, yes, sir. That's a foundation.

SPEAKER_00

I'm watching my kids grow, I'm watching them step into their calling, and it's all because I came to a place of putting my pride on the side and saying, look, I need help, and I'm not so proud that to say I don't I don't need to ask anyone for help. And so I I see Mark, I say, Hey, I need help. That's huge. I'm a pastor, yeah, and I'm supposed to have it all together, but I don't come on. So I went and I got Mark and man, he he's like, light, he's like, light speed. Like, how did you do that? Wow. So the things that I had been struggling with now, now I'm able to help others, especially those who are closest to me. And I've seen I'm seeing fruit in my ministry. I'm seeing the like we joke about it, but my podcast, right, is like starting to take off. Yes, sir. And all of these different things help now. I'm I'm in a real very strategic place with our church. I can be there for our senior new senior pastor, Joshua Ko and Kim Ko. And he's doing amazing, but there's a confidence where I can say, hey, Josh, God's got this. Amen. You're doing a good job. Yeah, we're on the right track.

The Dodgeball Riot That Almost Happened

SPEAKER_01

Yes. You know, I see that in you, I affirm that in you. And what I want to bring out for especially those who are joining us, the Ohana, I'm so proud of you, Pastor Andre. I really am. I have nothing to do with your upbringing, but I'm just gonna go ahead and say that. Once again, the use of the word we, the royal we. Um, but the point for those of you listening and watching is the humility in a man, a man of God, and this is from a legendary family and ministry, the Yasuharas, that you would humble yourself unto the Lord and go to counseling and say, I need help. And I think even as a woman, I struggle with saying that I need help because I'm a very independent woman in an independent world that cheers on the independent achievers. But for men, too, that if you might be listening, don't hear Don O'Brien say it, don't hear Pastor Andrew. Even say it. Hear the Lord that there are most powerful moments when Jesus said, right, in First Corinthians 12, 9, My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is perfected in weakness, right? And so then you go down just a little bit further. It says, When I am weak, then I am strong. Because God can come into that moment. And now I see the fruit of it coming out in the ministry with Pastor Josh up on the hill at First Assembly of God. I see it out in the sister churches around the island of Oahu, in the other sister churches around the islands, in the other sister churches around the nation and the world. So, and that came through a moment of humility of rushing home, listening to Cornerstone and saying, Karen, let's talk. And I know I've said it about a thousand million times, but this time, don't listen. Watch. I'm gonna be a different man. God bless you guys, and thank you for being so transparent about that. I want to um just link every guy I've ever dated before to please watch this episode. I'm just kidding. I'm totally joking, so inappropriate. We'll just edit that out later. No, we won't. We'll actually hashtag them. All right, so um, we're coming in for a landing. Worst youth ministry moment ever. Go.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. So I had this vision. We were one church in the world.

SPEAKER_02

Everybody making me laugh.

SPEAKER_00

And we we're we're going our church, we're we're kind of like word of life, right? We don't care. We we're gonna go into the highways, the byways. We had KPT, Kahalu, KPT, Big Few from Wahiwa.

SPEAKER_01

All coming together. The worst of the worst. I mean the best of the best.

SPEAKER_00

And we I remember we're the at this men's conference, and I the only reason they would sit still is because I promised them I said, okay, if you guys just go to this men's conference, they're gonna bend all this stuff and break all these things. Yes, the men of her. Yeah, if you could just sit still, then afterwards we go upstairs and we'll go to the basketball court and we'll play dodgeball. We'll just play some dodgeball. Because back then, in the early 2000s, dodgeball was the rage, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so it really was.

SPEAKER_00

So as we're going out to the basketball court, I hear the boys in the front from Kahaloo going, Chi hoo, cahulu. They're like middle school, so their voice hadn't like changed, and they're like, Chee hoo, cahaloo. And then in back of them. I did the voice really well, by the way. Go ahead. And then in back of them, all I hear is KPT, KPT. I didn't even know what was about to happen. Oh no. So we go into the basketball court and they were starting to play dodgeball. Hey, mister, the kind stay cheating. Oh, he's cheating. I was like, no, he's not cheating, just calm down. No, he's cheating, right? They start complaining, right? And then the Lord just spoke to me. He said, Andrew, get KPT out right now. Lock, lock the the the door on the fence door, because we our basketball court is surrounded by this like 20-foot chain-link fence. Right. And there's a there's a door, he said, lock it. Like, okay. Oh. So I locked the door, and as KPT is going down, what I come to find out later is one of the the leader of that group, his sister was crying, and he said, Why are you crying? Because that boy up there from Kahalu said something to right it always starts like that, right? Right. And all of a sudden, all the KPT boys turn around, slingshots coming out, no, knives coming out. What? And then all my leaders, I don't know if you know Pastor Horus.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, I know my sister, I just fist bumped him yesterday at the assembly of Government.

SPEAKER_00

Imagine like three or four pastor Horuses, their shirts are coming off. Like, no. Not today, guys, not today. And then K the Kahaloo boys are in the side. Come on, come on, right. And these guys trying to climb the fence. Kahloo's trying to climb the fence. And I'm just thinking, 20 foot chain link fence. Oh my gosh, we're having a riot at our church. And so that same that same voice that spoke to me to lock, thank God we locked that. The same voice said, Find the leader.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

So in the midst of this chaos, I'm looking for the leader. And I found him in the midst of all of this stuff going on, right? Wow.

SPEAKER_01

They're they're literally if they're gonna mob each other.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. I and I looked at him in the eye and said, Can you help me? Can you help me? Get your friends to calm down. Yes. Can you do that? Good for you, Patrick. And he looked at me, he didn't say a word, he just nodded, and everyone turned around and went into the vans. And we took them home. Wow. And so that's how we averted disaster. We averted disaster.

A Vision To Stop Hawaii Brain Drain

SPEAKER_01

And there was Armageddon at the first assembly of God basketball court as the evils were rising up. But it takes a word of life, and and you spoke that word of life and you humbled yourself to ask for help. Yeah. Once again, it was the humility there. Thank you. Um, what do you see for Hawaii in 20 to 30 years? Should should Jesus not come and should the hand of the Lord tarry? When you retire or re-fire, because you're like For me, you mean? Well, for the state of Hawaii, what do you see? What's the vision? Hopefully, not a basketball dodgeball game again. But I'm just putting that out there.

SPEAKER_00

You know my heart is, Don? My heart is to see this brain drain that we have.

SPEAKER_01

Come on.

SPEAKER_00

I I am sick and tired of seeing our best and brightest up and go and leave Hawaii and never come back. That's good. I believe that Hawaii is gonna be a place where the best and the brightest are gonna stay. Come home. And they're gonna and people are gonna come and say, why can't we be here? That's good. This is a place where we want to raise our kids. This is a place where we want to raise our family. Yeah. And that's my dream is that we can partner with businesses, government, all of that. Right to say, how can we keep this next generation wanting to stay here, build roots here, find careers, and build jobs and keep the culture, keep the aloha culture aloha, right?

SPEAKER_01

Now, and you you glanced off of that. Thank you for saying that. So um just pretty blunt. Thank you, bruh. But um, to keep our kids, to keep our ohana, to keep our aloha state aloha. And you and I were talking about Iolani, and and you got called there, I think it was you said right after COVID, there was almost no Christian youth group or Christian club.

SPEAKER_02

Christian club, yeah.

Aloha As Comfortable With Discomfort

SPEAKER_01

And then your son, because of the goodness of God to redeem your marriage and redeem your family, right? Your family got stronger. He asked you to come and hang out, right? You were praying with Mrs. Frith, I know her. And then there's this beautiful, vibrant Christian club now with what, like 200. Ho ho ho! Average church size in the American states is 70 people. They got 200. That's almost three times as much, according to my Hilo High math. A little bit off, but almost. And then um you're there. There's evangelism revival breaking out, not just on your campus, right, at Iolani, but also with KS Kamehameha Schools, and then with Punahou, and then we have other other schools trying to come in and be the church, which is the vision you have for let's keep our kids in Hawaii and let's keep Hawaii aloha. Yeah, I love that. Now, last question: what is aloha to you? We ask every guest.

SPEAKER_00

Aloha to me. Aloha really is the agape love of God, right? It's unconditional love. And it's being able to not love with strings attached. Come on, right? And to be able to Okay, maybe a better way for me to say it, and this has just been God's word to me in this recent season of my life. Aloha to me is being comfortable, being uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_01

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

You know, whether it's uh doing what is right, yeah, right, and it's not popular, or doing what is compassionate and it just doesn't feel comfortable, yeah. But I really feel like in this season of my life, aloha is being uncomfortable, being uncomfortable, but embracing this feeling of being being uncomfortable. That's that's what it means to me. Yeah, because I've had to walk through it in you know, just in this season that I'm in, and a lot of times doing what is right and is not always popular, and what is what is popular is not always right. Yes. So uh it's it's a different type of love that I'm stepping into, and even though it doesn't it doesn't feel good, yeah, but it's right. Um I my church is actually a couple blocks down from here, right? And there's a lot of uncomfortable situations I find myself in Chinatown. Uh people who are houseless, people who are on drugs coming off now. I know what it looks like for someone to come off a high, right? I was so like sheltered, right? But but it's in those situations am I willing to be comfortable being uncomfortable? And when I when I'm able to answer that question as from the bottom of my heart and say yes, then I know that I'm showing true aloha. Wow. Right, because because up until then it's it's just well, I'll love you if you love me back. That's good. Right, I'll I'll just do it if it makes me feel good.

SPEAKER_01

If you're a nice kind person, not some houseless ex-chronic who's still coming off a high.

SPEAKER_00

And I got a couple guys in my in my houseless church that started fights, right? Did all the wrong things, said the wrong things in the world, disrupted, disrupted, yeah, and everything. Disrespectful, but they still come, and am I still gonna love them? Yeah, I s now we put boundaries and we do, you know, we we have standards. Of course. But will I be comfortable being uncomfortable? Like, oh, here you come again. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna love you because that's what Christ would do. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01

To forgive 70 times seven times. And I'd say you do it well because you did it with some weirdo like Donald Bryan. You must have done it with an ex-chronic coming off a high houseless person in downtown Chinatown. I think you do really well at it, uh, Andrew, and I just thank you for that because it's not just a show. Uh, you and I grew up in church, and we've been around a lot of ministers, and we are ministers. And so I think we can tell with spirit of discernment when people are faking the Jesus funk, when there's that, you know, kind of a plastic smile on your face, but I also know you're talking about me in the background, right? Yeah, but you are the real Jesus deal, and I really thank you for setting that standard. I thank you for calling that out in others, right? And being as iron sharpens iron, so a friend sharpens a friend. You're a friend in Jesus, and I truly appreciate that about you. I look forward to co-hosting Apostolos many more times to come.

SPEAKER_00

I'm serious. I need I I I need to replace myself. So I'm like, yes, I got the best.

SPEAKER_01

I'm older than he is. Um, and I just want to thank you for a lot of the goodness that comes through you. It helps me, especially as we swing swords in these last seconds of the last days and the last great battle to come. It it's easy to lose hope in humanity, and it's it's easy to lose faith that there are still good men on the wall, that they're still the gatekeepers and the warriors, and you're the real Jesus Steel. I don't say that lightly, and I truly appreciate you, Andrew. I am so looking forward to a double portion blessing of the Elijah anointing on you as the young Yasuhara. And I do call you young purposefully. I have much respect for your grandpa and for your whole family, I do. But thank you for being the real Jesus.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you for being such a good friend to me. And you you you are associated with so many famous people, and you know so many people, right? And to be a friend to me, it means a lot to me that you remember me, you remember the little things about me. You value me, and it it's it that's why I wanted you on my show. Because I mean your show our show. Our show.

Where To Find Apostolos And Farewell

SPEAKER_01

Let's go! Let's go! Let's go! So, right here, the hamma, Pastor Andrew Yasuhara, and you can call him great family too, because we are one body, one church, and we are one nation indivisible as God's kingdom. And this is your Yasuhara family. Please know that Pastor Andrew is not just like this with me, he's like this every time I see him, like all over the place. I'm the cynical Christian girl sitting there going, I'm gonna catch him short. Watch, I'm gonna catch him. You're gonna be doing the dirty, but nope. He's always testing himself and humbling himself before the Lord. Well, I want to ask you to give his show a big look, our other show.

SPEAKER_02

Awesome.

SPEAKER_01

Apostolos. Uh, we can find that on all platforms for podcasts, or you can watch it on YouTube, or you can just catch him here again because you know we're gonna catch him again. So thank you again, Pastor Andrew Yasuhara, and to your family, to Karen, to Destiny, and to Dylan for all that you folks do, and also to Dr. Cho. Pastor Cho who is over in Singapore. We love you. Thank you for watching. Aloha.