10. Everything Everywhere All at Once by Daniels

What does a multiverse movie starring Michelle Yeoh, hot dog fingers, and googly eyes have to teach us about generational sin, shame culture, love, and… church history? 

In this chaotic and colorful episode, the gang takes a deep dive into Everything Everywhere All at Once, the Oscar-sweeping A24 film that made us laugh, cry, and rethink our family trauma. 

Join us as we discuss why Waymond might be the most Christlike tax-loving husband in cinema, whether this film is really a story about depression and nihilism, and how the gospel speaks to our longing for meaning—even across the multiverse. Plus:
 – Our multiverse sequel pitches
 – Which Bible characters belong in this movie
 – Who we're praying for (and who probably needs to be crucified on the left and right of Jesus)

And yes, we ask the hard questions—like, why isn't Paul Dano appreciated more? And why don't more people talk about The Fabelmans??

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I got bored one day, and I put everything on a bagel.
Everything. All my hopes and dreams, my old report cards, every breed of dog,
every last personal ad on Craigslist,
sesame, poppy seed, salt.
Hey everybody, welcome to Lord Forgive Us Our Cinema, and I am John "The Joker"
Simon, and I'm here with the gang. Hey, hey, I'm Jay Biggs, Jared. This is Dr.
McDaniel. Okay, that's not a nickname. That's a professional title. That's my
professional - I don't know her nickname, that's what I call her. - I don't know,
I'm Annie the, something. - Orphan. - Oh, yeah. - Orphan Annie. - I don't know my
parents, and I'm not a redhead, but I'm sure. - I'm talking about, yeah, it's a
reference. You were literally named after her. Show her some respect. - You were
named after her, Orphan Annie, this is true. - Yeah, actually, my, when my mom was
pregnant with my brother, they thought he was gonna be a girl, and my dad would
call him Annie in the movie, and because that's my dad's favorite musical, my actual
name is Angelina after my grandma, but they call me Annie because of the musical.
Wow, welcome to the episode on the musical Annie. That's right. Yeah. I think Jamie
Foxx deserved an Oscar for this movie. And the multiverse, maybe he did. Oh my
goodness. You know what I'm saying? In the multiverse, this is actually an Annie
episode. Yes. Before we get into it, I want to ask a quick question that's related
to cinema, but not to this movie. It'll be fast. When was the first time you
engaged with Kung Fu? No. Hold your horses. Um, the 1989 Little Mermaid.
Classic? Yes or no? Yes. Yes. Sure. Okay. Have you all seen it? Can you name a
single voice actor from that movie? Sure can't. Jody Benson. Yeah, Jody Benson. Oh.
- Wow. - Who's that? - Get it, she's Ariel. - Yeah. - Clutch. - What else did she do?
- She was also the voice of-- - Nothing. - No, she was also the voice of Thumbelina.
Oh, she was. - She was, that's how it is. - Danielle, that was clutch. - That's
significant. - Thank you. - Excuse me, if you were a little girl growing up in the
'90s, it's incredibly significant. - That's fair, that's fair. - Thank you very much.
- That's fair, okay, 'cause-- - I want to know who did the Sebastian. - He was a
real black guy, don't worry. - Was he? - Yeah, he was certified. - See, I mean, it
was a little something. - I don't know, He's he's from South Carolina. He's not on
me. He's not Caribbean Darius Rucker No, it wasn't him. It's because if you listen
to the soundtrack, they actually have their names on just to be clear everyone
Darius Rucker is hoody right hoody from the blowfish hoody in the blowfish. Yes,
and not Cuba Gooding, Jr. I was watching the Little Mermaid with my sister earlier
and I I wanted to pull it up because I love I love when movies have like voice
actors that you didn't expect and you're like what I didn't know I was gonna say
Danny DeVito but you would definitely know if Danny DeVito was doing a role but I
didn't recognize anyone not a single soul so yeah didn't Pocahontas have like um
Christian in my Christian baseball yes okay yes you did yeah how many minutes have
we done on not everything everywhere all at once okay I need you to understand
something uh I I did a little show called Church History for Chumps, and we have
an average of eight minutes of banter before we talk about any church history.
That's true, but this is not the trajectory we have set for this podcast, though.
I'm just letting the spirit lead us, brother. Yeah. So, speaking of the spirit, the
spirit is everything everywhere all at once, which is also the movie that we're
talking about right now. Yeah. All right. So, - Let's talk about this movie.
This movie came out in 2021.
- That's right. That's right. - Did you really? It's been that long? - It kinda,
yeah. - Was it 2021 or 22? - 22. - I was 22. - Okay,
okay. - We were both wrong, but honestly kind of cute. - That was cute. - That was
actually really cool. I liked that. - They locked eyes. You couldn't see that
audience, but they locked eyes and they said it at the same time. - Who directed
this film? - The Daniels. - Who are the Daniels? - Daniel Sheenart or Daniel Sheenart
and Daniel Kwan who also directed "Swiss Army Man" which is also very weird.
- I've not seen that one. - Heartwarming movie. I like it. - I've heard good things.
- It's a movie you have to be in a certain mood for which may also apply to this
movie which will probably get in too. - That's true. - Is that fall of Dana
Rackliffe? Where's he dead? - It is, he's a dead body. And I've never seen that
it's it's I mean honestly if you just like those two actors, which I really do I
really do It's worth watching. Yeah, would you ever like to see my favorite movie
of all time? Yeah, there will be blood Okay, I was gonna say the Joker
No, I was gonna say a bad movie that Paul Dano's in but he's not any bad movies.
He's not in the fableman's it's great That's a good So good, bro. Really good. Is
that all we're going to do in this episode? Just talking about other movies. Other
movies. Who's on this movie? You know, some legends. We've got Michelle Yeo.
She is so good in this movie. Crouching Tiger Hidden. Crouching Dragon. Crouching
Tiger Hidden Dragon. Gosh, dang it. OK, I get nouns. Also, Supercop. That's where I
first encountered her. Jackie Chan. Oh, really? Yeah. When I was a little kid,
I was really into Jackie Chan movies and I watched all of them. And she was in
Supercop and I remember her from Supercop. Oh, she's also in Memoirs of a Gaysha,
the third in the police story series, by the way. You know what? There's an
interesting lineage of Asian movies in Hollywood because I feel like for a long time
they were always like kung fu where they were related to like some imperial era in
Japan like memoirs of a geisha and I remember crazy rich Asians was like this
groundbreaking film because it was just about it was just a romantic comedy that
centered around Asia an Asian cast was a guy I didn't see it yeah it was charming
yeah I thought it was charming you just said oh so good no I said I said,
oh, yeah, like I agreed. But also I'm pro romantic comedy. Yeah, of all colors.
Yeah, I absolutely think you would. I think it's a great movie. Incredibly
rewatchable. I think you need to watch it. Is this a romantic comedy?
No, I mean, I think it's got romance. Yeah, it has romance, comedic.
Do they stay together? I can't remember that. They - Do they? - Yes. - She remember
like the end of the movie? - Yeah. - I don't think they stay together, if you know
what I'm saying. I think they break up again. - What? I don't think so. - She
served papers. - They are paper thin, bro. Yeah, that divorce paper was about as
thin as their relationship. - She signed it and handed it back to him. What do you
think she did? - He probably tore it out, maybe. - Oh, wow. - I don't know. - I bet
he did. Yeah, I don't By the way, he that he is a key who a Kwan, right? Oh,
and he is such a figure from my youth. Yes, I loved watching this because like
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, he's in the Goonies. Yes, I'm going to say
it's just like I just knew him from my youth and to see him as an adult is just
like this is so cool. So the Temple of Doom has like a very interesting bit of
lore in my relationship with Annie because she tortured me with two of the Indiana
Jones. She always didn't watch it when I didn't want to watch an Indiana Jones
movie. And then for like a year, she holds it over my head. She's like, when you
least expect it, I'm going to ask to watch Temple of Doom. You're going to have to
watch it. Had you had you seen it beforehand? Probably when I was a little kid,
but I don't remember anything from it. I watched Temple of Doom and I loved it. It
is my favorite of the three. Wow. And I think, like, short round carried it.
Oh. It was a great movie simply because of that little boy. Yeah, he's so good.
He's just amazing. He's so good. He carries the heck out of it. Who is he in the
guineas, Data? Yeah, Data. Data. Data. Data. Do you think people pronounce it
differently? It's like a proper noun, technically. I mean, they called him Data in
the movie, just like that. I think it's his nickname, right? That's fair. Okay, and
he has a hot take though. - Okay. - Me? Well, you were like, "Hey guys." - Well,
okay, well, hang on, okay. I was just gonna say for K -Weekwan, and I feel like
one of the things I loved about him in this movie, 'cause he was like the heart,
you know what I mean? Like, I think that, you know, I do think that Michelle
Yeoh's character Evelyn, she was like the heroine, but she was like going to fail.
And I think that she didn't fail because
of Waymond like he's like sort of the glue that holds them together so that she
can come back and do the saving at the end you know so I don't know I have some
hope and but anyway I was gonna agree I think that when I was watching this movie
for the first time and I realized who it was I was like this is like I from the
good is a shot round like I just freaked out and then when he won the Oscar for
this movie I cried what did he been doing for all this time? I don't know. Was he
in other things? Do we know? I'm going to pull up his filmography real quick
because that is a fascinating question. I didn't think to look into it. I think I
remember him saying that he wasn't in as many movies because he was kind of
intimidated about following up his child acting. Oh yeah,
he took some long breaks. So between the Goonies.
He had a small role in a movie without a Wikipedia article called It Takes a Thief
and then one called Passenger. He was in a couple of movies in the early 90s.
Wasn't really in a movie until the 2002. And then he didn't come back until finding
Ohana in twenty twenty one. Is that a Lilo and Stitch movie? Wow. I don't think
so. It was a Lilo and Stitch short. - It was a straight to Netflix movie and it
got 82%. - Fascinating. - And then right after that, he was in EEO.
- That's everything everywhere all at once. - Yeah, I just can't keep saying it.
- That sounds harder to say than just everything everywhere all at once. - EEO?
(laughing) But now his stock is rising. - Yeah, that's true. Who else is in this
Um, we've got rich Raymond Chang.
What? Who's Raymond Chang?
Excuse me, James Hong. I mean,
I'm sure in like some parallel universe, some multiverse, Raymond Chong,
it's like my brain said English name, his name. And then I was like,
oh, I'm pretty sure it's Raymond Chang. I just said it confidently. Wow. And I was
wrong. That's something. But yeah, James Hong is great in this. Does she have a
public apology to the, uh, he's 96 years old. James Hong. What? He rules on this
movie. He rules on everything. There's also someone Annie and I were talking about
before. We don't want to forget because we don't know. Oh, Stephanie Sue. Yes. I
thought she was amazing. She was one of my favorite parts of the whole movie her
and her outfits and oh, yeah Her costuming is excellent. Hmm.
It's simply excellent Yeah, dude James Hong is in all the kung fu panda movies.
He's in Mulan. He's in the golden child with Eddie Murphy He's in balls of fury,
which I forgot about that movie. He's in Chinatown with Chinatown, Yeah, he's also
in Blade Runner. He was in China. He is in Blade Runner. That's right. Yeah. He I
don't want to say this in a way that that diminishes his talent, but he did kind
of become like I feel like in every generation, especially before diversity was a
priority in Hollywood, there was like one or two actors that always played not the
same role. But they were the ethnicity to reach out to.
So he was kind of like the Chinese guy for a long time.
- We would be remiss if we didn't also mention the other star of this film, Biff
Whiff. - Oh yeah. - Yeah, Biff Whiff, he plays the Laundromat customer with the old
man who loves his wife's perfume. - Jamie Lee Curtis, also. - Yeah, we didn't mention
her. - Jamie Lee Curtis, you're right. - Of Halloween fam, - Yeah, for sure.
- Freaky Friday. - Freaky Friday favorite. - I think what I was going for earlier is
that I would say the other star and people would think oh, they haven't talked
about Jamie Lee Curtis so they'll talk about her now. - That was a misdirect. - It's
whiff. - Yeah, that was a misdirect. - It's great in this movie. - He is really
good. - He's fine. - But Jamie Lee Curtis is terrifying in this movie. - Yeah. - I
know, she had these weird, she made make these faces whenever she was like possessed
by like her alter ego and You can always tell like she did a great job. Yeah.
I feel like we've gotten very far into this conversation without talking about what
this movie is about. Oh, we have. Yeah. We're describing a lot of things out of
context. I mean, so the movie is about Michelle Yeo, who is Evelyn,
married to Waymond, who is Kei
Okay, Huiquan. And they both own a laundromat that is being audited by the IRS.
And in the midst of kind of her life falling apart, her relationship with her
daughter is terrible. She doesn't know it, but her husband is considering divorce
because they're very strained. They may be about to lose their business. In the
middle of all this happening, she is contacted by
Another version of her husband from an alternate universe who seems to like drop
into her husband. Yes Who basically says you're the hidden key to?
Save the universe and we need you to the multiverse to save All of the multiverses
question. Is this the best multiverse movie? Oh, yes I think so because they're
interesting of the ones I could think of. - Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of
Madness is really bad. - That movie sucks, dude. - That movie would have been so
much better if it was just about Elizabeth Olson's character.
- So, there's all the MCU, Multiverse movies. And then as I was looking this up, I
remember there was this one I watched as a kid called The One with Jet Lee. - Oh,
interesting. - Where like, he's the good guy, but then his alter ego from another
universe versus like the bad guy and he has to stop himself or something. - And I
remember really liking the movie as a kid, but I was like seven, and it's got like
18 % or not in 10 minutes, but I was like, you know, I feel like you got to
consider it, right? - Yeah, yeah. - It's got Jet Li. - Speaking of Jet Li, what is
your guys' association with Kung Fu movies?
- My dad would show me old school Bruce Lee films,
when I was was starting to take karate when I was a kid. So I have a very soft
spot for kung fu and just like, yeah, all forms of martial arts, old school
Shaolin, all that stuff. It's super dope to me. - I, my brother actually really
loves Jackie Chan in Bruce Lee. - I loved Jackie Chan. - Was made to watch, but a
lot of like his original movies, but it was before we just kind of appreciated
cinema, like in its original language. And we would read the subtitles where they
would English dub over it. And so it was kind of always a little bit cheesy. I
thought I'd rather hear it in the original language and then read the subject. Yeah,
Jackie Chan's early movies are so cool. And I remember seeing like, I think I saw
Supercop one first. No, no, no, police story one. And then I don't think I saw
police story two, but I remember seeing Supercop. Like, I think I got in a
blockbuster. And I was like, this is the most amazing thing I've ever seen. Yeah,
Jackie Chan is awesome. He's the best. Yeah, I think I don't remember what I saw
first, but I'm pretty sure I saw you rush hour Oh, yeah, I was great. Yeah, and
then I never I've never seen any of Jackie Chan's old movies But I'm pretty sure
was that and then at some point I remember like my brother's watching Crouching
Tiger hidden dragon, you know, it was always just on in the background. That was
always really cool But not a lot not a lot of exposure for me. Do we do we
consider like all fighting moves or would like Charlie's Angels be considered like? I
don't think so. No. Okay. Yeah, you are a karate expert. Are you not?
I am in fact. Yes. Wow. Mm -hmm So you have a great association with the we arts.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know It's it's fun because I feel like when you're a little
kid taking karate like you look at these dudes like Jet Li or Donnie Yen or of
course Bruce Lee and you just think like, oh, I could do this. Like, this is what
a fight would look like. Like I just, you know, if a bunch of dudes, like a bunch
of henchmen attacked me, this is what I could just pull out. And they're going to,
right? Exactly. Yeah, eventually. Did you ever have the moment where you discovered
that like a punch to another did not sound like it did in the movies, not through
experience, but yeah, like genuinely one of the most devastating moments of my whole
life. I remember I punched a kid in the face. It's a long story.
I won't get into it, but it just sounded like you were a kid, right? Yeah, I was.
Yeah, I was a child.
But yeah, - Yeah, the sound was so dull and like nothing.
And just like, I was like, that doesn't, I remember walking away, like having proved
my point. And it was just like, that was the most, I thought it was like bad,
you know, I thought it was, I wasn't like, should have made a better sound. - You
know what I'm saying? Yeah, I just like, it didn't sound like the crack that I
wanted. Anyway, that's my skin and confession. - So let's, well hold on,
we're not there yet. - Oh, wow. - How are we feeling about this movie? What was
this movie viewing experience like for you guys? - It, I mean, we're not at sending
commission, but I feel like every time that they had to like, they had to do
something crazy to jump into the verses, those were all so disturbing. Like when we
ate the chapstick, I could feel it in my teeth. I was like, ah! - That's not a
good feeling. - Yes, ugh. Yeah. But then like a little burst of strawberry comes
through and you're like, hold on. Maybe we have on something here. I think that
from when I remember the first time I saw this movie, I really enjoyed it because
of how much just random comedy you see and how bright and colorful everything was.
So colorful, yeah. Yeah, with all like the lights on their faces showing, you know,
like that somebody is like transitioning into or somebody's like gaining power or
from some of the universe. What I loved about it, though, was it was so unique. I
really didn't know where it was going to go. You know what I mean? Yeah,
absolutely. I feel like it was one of those movies that you couldn't get ahead of.
You know, yes. Yeah. How are they going to bring all this together? So when it
finally did end, I felt like there was just a lot to think about because of how
complex it was and whatever. So I just I loved this movie. And every time I watch
it, I feel like I get a little more out of it. I do too. Did the false ending
get you guys like, and there's like this, I remember seeing it in the theaters and
where they end it and you're like, what? Like that would be a believable ending
where like that she dies and I'm like, I don't It's directed by the Daniels. Yeah.
I was like, I was clever. I don't think it ever got me. Danielle and I saw this
together at the loft. We did it. And it was, it was a wonderful experience. It
was, it was just, I didn't know if I was going to say it on the podcast, but we
had a very large tax Bill that year and I think we were like crying about it. I
was crying about it like on the way probably on the way to the movie and then we
watched the movie like halfway through which this is not ruining anything of our
questions but just like in another life I would have loved to do laundry and pay
taxes with you and I'm just like cry it's like ugly sobbing I think in the theater
I'm gonna recommend the new section right now that I did not through with anyone
else's. That's called Star of David. Were you, were you give this, were you,
tell us how many stars you would give this movie? - Star of David. - Out of five.
- Out of six. - Out of five. - Out of five. - Out of five. - Out of six? - I don't
know. - 'Cause there's six points to the Star of David. - Well, I mean, we're not,
I don't know. - So I was gonna say about this movie. So the first time we saw it,
we had that emotional experience with it, and it was at the loft, like it was a
big direction. And I gave it a five star rating on Letterbox at the time.
Watching this last night, I docked it a little bit because I didn't notice. Well,
watching in the theater, I think is a different experience altogether. You're there
for it or whatever. Watching this at home last night, it was so much longer than I
remember it being. Yeah. And, and we're going to get to it later. But like, I just
thought there was so much fighting in this that I was just like, at a certain
point I was just like, okay, I'm done with this. It was always funny. I gave it a
five star. I just love it because it was like, yeah, it gives me more to think
about every time I watch it. And it is like, I think it's this reminder to just
like cherish life and be present. And I think I just... Yeah, I don't know if I
said it, four and a half this time. What do you guys got?
I think that when I first watched it, it was four and a half, which is really
high for me. and he likes to remind me all the time that I'm very tough. I think
I docked it, too. This is my third time watching it. I felt I felt the the run
time like a lot this time. And I'll get more into it and send in confession, but
I just it didn't it didn't hit the same way for me. So but we'll talk more. We'll
talk more. I'd give it a five. I enjoyed it. I think that where maybe like the
story felt a little bit long. I feel like it makes up for it in all of these
other areas of strength. I just feel like they had so many wonderful artists on
this, not just like the actors, but like the production design and the lighting and
the sound. Like when they punch people and you've got like the Super Smash brothers
like home on that sound. I don't know. - Yeah, that was amazing. - It gave me so
much like giggles in different times.
Don't get me wrong, I like long movies, but there was something about like just all
the bits. Like I love the bits. The bits were so good. But like sometimes they
just felt like, oh, we're here now, we're here now. And like you're just like being
thrown back and forth over and over and over again. It's hard to talk more about
that, but we will. We will. Actually, are we ready to go into sitting confession?
Sitting confession. I just want to shout out to a 24. They had had a beautiful blu
-ray of this, which all we all looked at and is actually sitting here right now.
Very cool. All right. This is probably my hottest take. This might be my hottest
take that I've dropped on this pod because I don't think I've dropped that many hot
takes to begin with. Nope. All right. Maybe. I don't know. Step it up. I don't
think this movie will age well. Interesting. I, so this movie,
well, So, this movie in the ways that I admire it feels a lot like Barbie.
It's so ambitious. It's so good at set design. The characters are well put together,
the actors are acting their tails off. But for me and specifically for this movie,
the style of like random, chaotic humor that's very silly and very referential and
at times very self -referential I feel like I could I could see showing this movie
to my kids and then being like what is this yeah like I don't I don't get this
at all. This reminded me a lot of Scott Pilgrim versus the world which we just
recently saw at the left. Do you think that it's because like in a few years
society's kind of going to lose it's like glamour of of like the multiverse like
we're just gonna be like I think that's like a part of it but I don't know like
um the the danger of any film that references like culture too much is that it
relies on that that cultural awareness to like really get it like we got the whole
raccoon joke because everyone in 22 has seen Ratatouille, but how's that gonna hold
up? Like when it's just a thing they reference like I just I feel like There's a
there's a goofiness that has a very particular Kind of palette and I could see that
just not aging well. I don't know. I'm not certain, but I just I don't know okay,
I Think that Criticism I would have maybe not of the movie itself,
but of just what happened afterwards. I love Jamie Lee Curtis, but I wish Stephanie
Sue won instead. I feel like her performance was nominated that year. K -Hee Kwan
and Michelle Yeo. I think that both of them won. No, no, no, no, just for
supporting actress. I remember. Oh, I'm on it. I'm on the heart. I just feel like
Stephanie Sue had such a dynamic presence on the screen.
And she pulled off so many of her different looks and her, you know, her mannerisms
and everything. She was just. Physically funny. She didn't have to say anything. She
was just, you know what I mean? Like she was just somebody we wanted to watch. She
played sad super well, too. And she did it so different, like where where she's
like playing the daughter was very different from the job. Yeah, I'll job job. Jobu,
Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu,
Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu, Jobu. The scene where they're like,
it's before the party and they're fighting. And she's just like acting like that. I
was like, that's so good. What are you finding, John Simon? I'm still on the hunt,
bro. I put the rocks here like twice.
Well, I will say Jamie Lee Curtis' performance on this is really good.
good. My sin about this movie, though, is her hair is not.
And I'm not talking about like she just has like a bad her character as a bad
haircut. Like she she I'm I noticed is the first time we watched it.
And I noticed this last night too. She's like she her character looks like she's
very obviously wearing like a wig. Oh, like a wig like it's supposed to look funny
and we do hate wigs in this group you know we do this is an interesting lineup
okay so Angela Bassett black Panther Wakanda forever yeah and people were upset but
here's the black condo forever is it's not a good movie no it's not a good movie
fine movie and it's a brave movie they made it one of the most disappointing movies
I've ever seen It's it's brave because they could have just not done it. Yeah, I'm
still kind of of the mind that they shouldn't have done it. Yeah, but that's just
that's another podcast. People wanted Angela Bassett to get it because it was a
legacy win and because she hasn't won it before. For sure. Which I think is the
same reason why Jamie LaCourtes won because of her illustrious career. You had Hong
Chao for The Whale, which I didn't like The Whale either. The Whale was fine. It
was I mean, I liked it when we saw in the theaters. I thought it worked. - Carrie
Condon for The Banshees of Asia, which I meet two men. You know this about each
other. And then Stephanie Shue. - We almost recorded an episode on that movie.
- Until you realize that a very visible dangling is present in that movie. - A fully
grown man. - That's right. - Nude. - See, I still feel like Stephanie Shue should
have won. After listening to all that on my piano, she's won, I think I should
have I would admit, though, yeah, of all the performances, honestly, that have been
described. I think Jamie Lee Curtis is actually probably the best still. I
overstepping over Stephanie. Yeah, I mean, she has to do. I mean,
I'm going to be real honest, it would be believable to me if if it was just like
Stephanie Suze is just kind of playing herself. And Jamie Lee Curtis is actually
playing like a complex character. - Okay, I can kind of see that. - Okay.
- Like Stephanie is Sue, I don't know who she is in her real life, but like she
seems like that kind of person in almost everything that you see her in. - Sure.
- Like in the Marvelous Mrs. Mayethole, she's very similar to her character. - She's
got this like spunky, feisty, you know. - Yeah, yeah, like a sharped a venomous,
kind of like always has like a pot shot. - She was lovely though. And she was very
terrifying. - She's great in this movie. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad she was
nominated. That's super cool. But I actually think of those names that you just
described, Jamie Likertis is probably the best performance. - I think if she beats
out Stephanie Sue, I think it's by a nose, it's by a hair. But I can see what
you're saying. Any other sitting confession for this movie? other than the chapstick,
like all of literally, okay, I was thinking about this. I was writing them down. I
was like hand sanitizer in the eyes. Did you guys feel that one in your body too?
And then like when she takes the grandpa snot and like puts it in his own mouth,
I was like, ah! - Yeah. They were all so funny and very strange. I just loved
them. - Yeah, they were so weird. Yeah, like with the IRS statue and the guy who
jumped on it, I was just like, - That one, I a lot. That's going to come up later
for me. Here's the thing. All right. This is going to be a healthy reminder for
the viewers that this is a Christian podcast. And sometimes my feelings about movies
can get a little puritanical and I acknowledge that. But for Pete's sake, there was
so much goofy, like so much of the humor I think was tied into being like randomly
like kind of obscene with like the butt thing. - There was a couple moments of some
phallic imagery that I was like, oh, whoa, I forgot that's in this. - The moment
when Michelle Yeo is convinced to start fighting with love. And I love that little
sequence where like, she like has the two people embrace each other and they're
married and the one guy's got this like horrible neck thing. And then of course
there's like this super awkward bondage spanky thing. - That's one of the directors,
by the way. - Yeah. - That really was, that's funny. - He's one of the Daniels.
- Yeah. - I don't remember which one. - Swipe. - Swipe Art, I think. - I'm not gonna
say, I'm not gonna, you know, I will always distance myself between what I think is
an objective view and like how something affects me personally. But I just, I just,
I don't vibe with like that silly sexualized humor. I could see it in small bits,
but it felt so it felt like just too much. Yeah. There's a there's a point where
it's like every time they can throw one in, they're gonna. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I actually that's one of the things that I kind of docked on at this
time is that like I mentioned it earlier, but just like all the all the different
gags at a certain point it was just like, oh, so this is like an episode of
family guy. And every single time you can throw in a reference or a gag, you're
gonna right, you know, and it's just like pulling away to something. I don't know
that that's necessarily great screenwriting in my opinion. I mean, I think everything
in this movie works. I gave it a four and a half. Like it's a great film. I
think it's miraculous. I'll say miraculous. I'll say, I think it was incredibly
telling about the skill of the writers and directors that they could have so many
gags and still have a linear theme and story to it doesn't mean that it's not a
lot of freaking gags do you like at a certain point a salad can have too many
croutons you know a hand can't have too many hot I love croutons but if it's just
croutons it's like a thousand croutons on like a small bowl of salad that's exactly
what I'm saying like I'm complaining that's more. It's an appetizer before the salad.
I'd rather eat the croutons, you know? Yeah. So where are we? I think that's it
for sin and confession. Now we are churches to comparison. Yeah. Okay. This was very
hard, but I had one guys. Okay.
I was thinking like about aspiring to live quietly, you know, like when the end
comes and she's just like, okay, I want to live and choose this life. So first the
Salonians, board 10, which is aspire to live quietly And to mind your own affairs
and to work with your hands as we instruct to do like the hot dog hands that also
ties in, you know
Okay, yeah, I don't know how but church history comparison. That's the hot dog hands
That's my life guys. Those hot dog hands. Yeah, which were a little unsettling. Mmm.
Yeah Yeah, especially when they there was that like Bollywood movie
much appear out of nowhere. Hated that. Hated that. I get a lot of Brother Lawrence
vibes from Waymond just because he has a very, like, you know,
kind of like you said, like, he lives a very simple life where he finds little
joys and things. And I also think this could easily be brushed over. This man is a
Christian because he said, "Oh, Tom - That's true,
just got divorced. So I mean, it's a paid -divorced church. Say what you will about
that. But this is a Christian news. - And he's like inspired by that divorce. He's
like, this guy from church gets his divorce. His life is a great now. - There's one
thing I learned about church, it's that divorce is okay. - Divorce is okay. - Great
way, man. - I'm rich now. - So raise your wife with it. - But no, I just like the,
you know, practicing the presence of God by Brother Lawrence is all about like
finding peace and the beauty of the divine in all these like little small tedious
things that we do. And I feel like that's where he was. Like he was such a joyful
guy in the midst of the stress because he knew how to find joy in the small
things. - Wow, that's very good. - Thank you, sir.
- Oh, go ahead. - No, this one was really difficult. I think I have,
I guess, like a that'll preach, but I was going to save it for later, not a
church history comparison.
I'm really proud of mine. Okay. Oh, good. Was there something that you were going
to say there? I was just going to say like overarching, like I was thinking about,
which maybe we didn't talk about, but in it, that's, it's hard to identify as
Americans, but this was like a shame and honor culture was very, very clear in the
movie. Like, you know, I'm disappointing my dad. I'm in that's trickling down
throughout the generations, which the people in the Bible were also shame and honor
culture For sure, which is actually like kind of like the sins of the father will
be Which is what it was kind of happening. It was happening. He's giving away her
daughter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah through criticisms and such You're already proud of
it. Oh, cool. Well, I had the Spanish Inquisition for the IRS scenes So the Spanish
Inquisition for those who don't know which was a religious court established by the
Catholic Monarchs of Spain in 1478 Its primary goal was to enforce religious
orthodoxy primarily by terror targeting Jews who had converted to Christianity But
we're suspected of secretly practicing their former faith and later Muslims and
heretics were included so this went on for like 300 years whoa I didn't know that
it's crazy wait so this was the IRS yeah like the IRS you know like she's just
like looking at every document she's like what is this you know this is not
orthodox this is not in the law not quite as proud as I thought I would come on
did They were pushing people to death, you know, just like Jamie Lee Curtis's
character seeks to do later on. Did you know the Spanish Inquisition is the reason
why the Reformation never took off in Spain? Wow. Fascinating. Wow. Because they were
ready for him. Oh, no. They're like, "Oh, please, tell us the Catholic Church isn't
authoritative." Come over here. Fascinating. You've got the guillotine sharpened. Wow.
Do you guys think there's a Christ figure in this movie? I mean, Wayman has kind
of a thing, but he's like seeking a divorce. Yeah, that's actually the opposite of
what Jesus does. He's inspired by a guy at church and he's seeking a divorce. So I
don't think he's as Christ like as, you know, one would hope. I mean, I think that
there is a potential savior figure. I don't just don't know if she's like a Jesus
figure, you know? Well, love is kind of that thing. And Evelyn, I love Evelyn too.
Love is what pulls, you know, Stephanie Sue's character back, sure. They also,
I think Waymond says, is it Waymond or Raymond? Waymond. Waymond. I thought it was
Ray the whole time. Yeah, it's like Raymond but for Bugs Bunny. Waymond. No, Elmer
Fudd. There you go. Nailed it. There's a part where he says that she, he's met a
thousand Elvillians and she's been murdered every time. Like she's the one that dies.
Yeah. Like she's died a thousand times. So maybe she is the Jesus character, right?
Wow. But she dies because she keeps like failing. That. Yeah. That's the sense of
others. It's for her own. I would guess. Yeah. All right. Now, I don't want to
even suggest this could be Orthodox, but imagine if, honestly, if somebody made like
a multi a Christian, multiverse, like graphic novel where G's where there were Jesus
is of different cultural backgrounds from all different universes. And he's always
crucified, but always for reasons that fit the world at that time. Oh,
it's probably wrong. No, it's wrong. But you should. You shouldn't mention that.
It's, you know, you should you should do that. That's a good idea. Yeah. Hey, if
you hear this and make it, that's copyright infringement, my friend. - Yeah, but see
me in John Simon, that's right. - That's a little battle preach. - Yeah, that'll
preach. - That'll preach. - Oh, so I just feel like as a Hispanic Mexican lady who
grew up in the church, I just always felt like there was a lot of, you know, the
Bible being used to explain or to expect something from you, right? Like you are
the wife, you need to submit your and you were the child, you're just missing your
parents, blah, blah, blah. And so I feel like there's a certain point in time if
you're a believer who grew up in the church where you realize, oh wait, but parents
are not supposed to like exasperate their children or provoke them to wrath or
whatever, right, blah. So it's been a long time, but I remember when I realized
that I felt very like seen, you know, and I would have these conversations with my
dad and it'd be like, you know, you're supposed to like treat me with respect and
stuff to write down, whatever. And so I felt like, like seeing how Evelyn speaks to
Joy and how clearly she could see the damage that she was doing, but she just in
her whatever in her stubbornness or of her character that she just kept doing that,
I feel like it just, it speaks to, I guess, the damage is humbling as it can be
that adults that parents can have on their children and the ramifications of that, I
think that sometimes you really have to think about the way that you treat those
who are below you or those who are younger than you and how you can impact them
because you're supposed to be serving them. I love that actually.
My that'll preach was there's this whole idea, especially with the whole like the
everything bagel, which was another gag that I'm like, oh my gosh, why couldn't it
have been a donut? Because it's an everything bagel. Everything's on the bagel. I'm
going to bring that up later on. We probably just get to it now. I just rather
eat a donut. Oh, here's the thing. The there was a quote that they referenced a
couple times, which was, well, I think I wrote it down, that maybe there will be
some new discovery that will make us feel like even smaller pieces of crap, - Of
course. - Yeah, that's the exact language. - Right, it's right. - It's just a reminder
we're small and stupid. - Yeah, yeah, but like there is this, like the whole premise
of the girl's like nihilism is that she's learned so much about the world that all
that knowledge has made the little intricacies of life really meaningless, which is
why she believes that nothing really matters. But I feel like within in the
Christian worldview, there is actually something grand that we discovered that doesn't
reduce our significance, but actually brings it up to size, which is the discovery
of Christ, that we would actually stumble upon not just the creation, but the
creator of the creation who would not say, "I'm so big and majestic, you're all a
bunch of ants," but he would say, "No, I'm actually elevating you to to my table
into a place where I can be with you. Or that it gives like meaning to all these
small things. Yeah, instead of killing meaning it it it magnifies it. Yeah. Do you
think that that's like we didn't really talk about this but I felt like this this
movie was a commentary on depression like you know she's like very like like I
can't you can't really see out of like the darkness of like nothing matters like
nothing matters in my life. And when you're pressed, you know, like sometimes you're
all you're eating is everything bagels. Dang, that's the reference. Yeah,
I think everything bagels are just something that depression wants. I was going to
ask, do you guys thought, do you guys think, you know, and everything bagel is the
the correct like food
to represent depression Like nothing like the void of it all,
you know, I don't know was the bagel the right choice I think there have been a
different feel like a rotisserie chicken Oh, I mean, I feel like it wasn't just so
much that she learned everything but that she has played out Every possibility of
anything that could ever possibly happen in life. So there's really no more surprise
And I think in a way, maybe a criticism would just be like,
okay, but nobody's ever going to get to that point. Right? Like nobody will ever
physically become what she's doing. I don't know if this is going to make sense,
but like, I do understand that it's sort of representative of something that's much
smaller and more maybe relatable because nobody's ever really going to be able to
have that much, you know, experience everything, literally all at once. But I think
that. I mean, it made me laugh. I enjoyed everything bagel also.
We haven't mentioned yet. There are so many circles in this film. Yeah, I think
within the frame of this film, you know, and everything bagel works because it's a
good circle. Yeah. Yeah. And then it's something chaos, too. It is something that
has everything, but also nothing because it's in the middle. Yeah, I actually think
it works. The everything bagel works because I work at a coffee shop in which
everything bagels are served and they are so messy. The eating of the everything
bagels chaotic because it just gets seeds all over the floor. I've never been drawn
to an everything bagel. I think they might be my least favorite - I feel like in
everything bagel, I prefer a plain though. - No, give me like jalapeno cheddar. - Oh,
fascinating. - Chocolate chip. - You gotta come try out Lumbre. They have a great
cheddar jalapeno. - Are we sponsored today? - I hope so. - And that brings us to our
sponsor. - Yeah, Lumbre bagels. You won't find depression, but you will find a bagel.
- Yeah. - Anyway. - Okay, my, actually my little preach moment was very similar to
John's and probably the quote like right before it when they're rocks and she says,
"God, please, we're all stupid. Small, stupid humans. It's like our whole deal." And
then yeah, every new discovery is just a reminder we're small and stupid. And I
think like if I were to put that in a sermon, I would be like, "Yes, as a human,
this means like, you know, like what you're kind of saying, there's like no
significance to this, but because Jesus created this and like He gives it
significance and so your life has significance, the tiny small things we do have
significance. Mm -hmm. Yeah. That's good. That's good. I have a, what is it if you
gain the multiverse, but forfeit your soul? Forfeit your multi -soul. Dude,
multi -soul dude, there's a graphic novel. Do you think there's only one in there?
That's a graphic novel. Yeah, it is. We're just giving away all the ideas today.
What's next, John? Which character in this film would fit best within the Bible?
Let's see. I feel like Joy would make a pretty good legion like because she's like
constantly coming in different things. I have the stones on the cliff.
Because they cried out. Yeah, because it's like the stones that cry out, you know.
Oh, that's good. You can just put them right in there. They're like atheist stones.
I mean, this is like you're transplanting the characters and placing them in the
Bible, right? Right. So, I don't think they're big enough to be like the stones
that like cover the tomb. Yeah. But they could definitely be the stones that cry
out. Sure. Sure. Yeah. But although, could it be argued that the stones don't
actually cry out, Jesus just said the stones would cry out. Hypothetically. Yeah.
Like it was a rhetorical crying session. So, So they're just stones and they're not
actually doing anything. What if Joy was the stone that the builders rejected?
Wouldn't that make her Jesus? Oh, shoot. Yeah. Because he was that one. He was.
Shoot. All right. I'm sorry, Lord. Um, yeah. Okay. Is that all we got? Do you guys
have an answer for it? I thought, uh, I just wanted to give a little bit of
credit to the guy who played the security guard and like eight different
- Bicyclists? - iterations. He's like the buff, bald Asian dude who always lost. - Did
he just keep getting up? - I'm not sure. - Is he just coming back every time?
- Every multiverse, he's a security guard. - That would be a bummer. - What a way to
go, yeah. - He's just getting paid like, you know, a little bit of a minimum wage.
We're gonna 40 hour week. - Where's his Hollywood universe. For sure. Yeah, dang. All
right. Why did you mention him? Where is he going in the Bible? Oh, let's make him
let's make him a Joab. Let's make him like one of David's like hardcore general
homies. Oh, good. That's good. That's real good. He's a fighter. Yeah. All right,
Jared, our favorite part with this movie, be better with John Calvin, Martin Luther,
Martin the King, Junior, St. Augustine, St. Nicholas, Harriet Tubman, John Brown, John
the Baptist, Elijah, Legion or Joel Osteen or Kurt Cameron. Why not all of them?
Everything everywhere. Yeah, they could all be way, they could all be Waymond. Well,
I you could have multiversal, like, you know, experiences for all these different
people, you know, like, what's the John multi -verse story. Oh,
interesting. What's this? What's the Santa Claus multi -verse? I was wondering about
that. Yeah. Yeah. What's the Martin Luther King Jr. multi -verse? I do think there
should have been one where maybe Michelle Yeoh was like Mrs. Claus. Oh, yeah.
That's good. And maybe she had like a like she had like toy building expertise and
she could have kind of MacGyver her way out of situations. - Just to be clear, of
all the multi -verse films from this list in particular that we could have, I want
a John Brown multi -verse. - Ooh, yeah. - Where he's just traveling the multi -verse,
just killing. - Just killing slave owners everywhere he goes. - Everywhere he goes.
- I would watch that series. - That sounds pretty intense. I like that. - Who would
have really liked what happened in the south, wouldn't he? - Mm -hmm, like the south.
- No, the plantation Like the south no the plantation Yeah, yeah, you're talking
about the thing that just happened. There's like a plantation burning down right now.
Yeah, we all celebrate it I think that if Kirk Cameron was in here,
but he was wayman Marriage he would have gone a divorce he would have fireproofed
He would have been very this this might have been the role for Kirk Cameron and he
But he doesn't insist on a divorce? No, no, no, he would have been endearing and
charming and he could have had some cool fight. This movie could have brought Kurt
Cameron back from the dead. Kurt Cameron is 100 % from the cultural death.
Oh, the cultural death, yes, of course. I have to formally declare Kurt Cameron is
100 % not capable physically of this role. basically.
He's going to do Kung Fu. Are you kidding me? Kirk Cameron can't do Kung Fu. It's
called editing, bro. It's called post -production. We don't know that. We can't
assume. He also would have never been in this movie. He would have been like he
knew to take out the fallacies and the... Oh, yeah. He wouldn't have proved. No,
Kirk Cameron. No way. Kirk Cameron's definitely a young Republican, you know? I think
he would have crushed it. I think he would have been great in this movie. What do
we got next? Character most likely to be crucified on the left and right of Jesus.
- America's favorite section. - That's right. On the unrepentant side, I'm putting the
IRS. - I was gonna say that. - I knew you would. And on the repentance side,
I'm putting universes, like multi -universes. - Multi -universes, repentance. - Yeah,
it works here. - I think that they can be redeemed, but they also should probably
die. - Yeah. - I'm looking forward to their resurrection, but I'm not complaining
about their death. - We just don't have to do them over and over again. - Yeah,
it's too much. - Not every movie needs to be a multiverse movie, but this movie
definitely needed to be a multiverse movie. - What's a movie that definitely does it
need to be a multiverse movie?
- Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. - True. - Just focus on Elizabeth
Olson the two hours and we're You know, what was her name again? It was Mitholson.
Yeah, Scarlet Witch. Scarlet Witch, yeah. I think, you know, Quantum Mania. I mean,
they were in the Quantum Realm then, and I didn't see it. It wasn't interesting. It
was terrible. What if Jaws was a multiverse movie? Oh, my gosh. What is that?
Jaws in Space. Just Jaws, just eat different people first. Maybe like the portal
that the shark came out of also releases other sea creatures from other universe is
just is Jaws the shark traveling in the multiverse. Yes. No,
no, no. So we're just trans. So he's like, so like, you know, so he's working in
a temporary office job. Right. Like that.
He's working in a special stage. He works for a laundromat. He's a park ranger.
Right. And, you know, Yosemite is wearing a blooming down. You know, he's doing fish
is anonymous and finding Nemo. He's gross. Oh, yeah I would love it if we watched
this same movie everything everywhere all at once But Michelle yo was replaced by
the shark from Jaws. Wow, he's just like I'm a screw -up Are you taking away
Michelle Yo's Oscar? The shark he's like I've never done anything good in my life.
I've wanted I wanted to sing. What about this entire movie, but just all different
sharks? Ooh, how many sharks are there? That's definitely a multi -verse possibility.
That is true. Sharknado, it's been done. Yeah. No, no, no, but this is more
civilized. They're like doing the taxes. Everything is more civilized. Running a
laundromat and trying to like trying to like deal with the intricacies of
relationships within your family. What would you wash in a shark laundromat? They're
wearing clothes. It's every aspect of the film, but you just instead of the actors,
you put sharks in there. Okay. So they've got little suits. Yeah. Yeah. Short
shorts. Yeah. He's wearing a dad fit. Mm -hmm. You know? I like it. Slacks and
stuff. Wait, Annie, who was your repentant thief? If you had the same, the IRS was
the internet. I mean, I was gonna put Evelyn. She redeemed. You know, she like
improves she becomes a better person by the end I was originally gonna say the IRS
and then I thought of this okay my repentant thief was gonna be the raccaroni care
record raccoony raccoony because he was kind of creepy and he was a jerk like when
he like when the hat came off he's like she's seen too much get her yeah you
started to try to kill I learned very unsettling yeah and then the unrepentant is
that statue of the butt And then the scene, it was just like, you're like, please
don't do that. I will admit, that was just a scene that I could have done without.
Like, I just I didn't find it funny. I didn't find it like, oh, my goodness. Like,
I just like, I don't mean this is weird. Yeah. And also, those guys definitely
would have died. They wouldn't have died. You don't think they just would have died
jumping 10 feet in the air on top of like a statue? No, I don't think that would
have killed them. I think people go to the emergency room for things like that only
not not I'm not really I got a couple.
All right. Okay. Unrepentant thief Jamie Lee Curtis's hair. Okay. Which I'm bringing
back.
The unrepentant thief and this is just not just in this movie. This is just in
general like just everywhere you go, the architecture and interior design of federal
office buildings. Who's doing this? Who's doing this to government?
Who's creating these these places of of of decrepitude and gray and just it's
because it's a sad place. It's kind of miserable. You don't want to be there. Even
this one had like a little paddock area where there were like trees and plants and
stuff like that, and it was still so depressing. - Yeah. - And just who's doing
this? - You just want there to be like unicorns and like... - Put whoever did that
to us on the cross. That whenever architects first came up with this,
every time I have to go to a federal office building, I'm just like, this is the
most drab depressing place I've ever been. - It's soul -sucking for sure. - You're
supposed to feel like that, though. - That's not a happy place. - That's psychological
warfare. - Is that all the United States of America can afford just in terms of
like, you know, design and like, you know, befitting.
It just takes lots of change, I guess. It's expensive to change. I think we need
to encourage each other after this. Yeah, I agree. What's your encouragement quote?
Um, mine was, uh, we're all useless alone. Good thing we're not alone.
Oh, that was what Raccoon -tui,
rac -a -cuni. Raccoon -tui. Raccoon -tui. Yeah, that to me was the only redemptive
moment for that little bit. But I really did like it. He's like, "I'm useless by
myself." And she's like, "We're all useless by ourselves." It's a good thing we're
not. I was like, "Aww, that's a banger." That is sweet. I text that to a friend.
I said, when Evelyn says, "Enough of your clay pots and your cream cheese. Give it
to me You know, I'm going to put out the clay pots and the cream cheese. That's a
great line. I'm going to give it to you straight. It is interesting though, like,
he had that whole, oh, cream cheese is so good in my universe. We don't have that
anymore. Yeah. Like, we got this tiny little bit of, like, context from his world
and then never entertained that again. Like, that was it. It's like it was just so
he could eat cream cheese in that one single moment. Yeah. That was interesting.
- And drink that like half and half string. - Oh gosh. - So weird. - Did not look
it. - So weird. I had a, there is always something to love. - Oh does Wayman say
that? - Yeah, Wayman says that. And I just like, it's a nice thing to text someone.
- Oh yeah, when he's like, we need to be kind. - He's really down. Yeah, there's
always something to love. - I love him. He's so sweet. No, I kind of in that same
vein, I was thinking of, I don't know exactly how how like the words were for me
to text to a friend like if Danielle is sad. But, you know, when she also was
realizing Evelyn, that there's always something to love. She was like, even in a
world as silly as when we have hot dog fingers. Oh, yeah. And we get really good
with our feet. All right. Yeah. I thought that was very endearing. That's nice. Mm
hmm. This is a Christian movie.
Oh,
think that I think them the messages are like like kind of just like the idea of
being like present and like and enjoying the small like the gifts of that you've
been given I think that's this is kind of a godless movie it is a virtuous movie
it is a godless movie there's no God in the multiverse right yeah there doesn't
appear to be any no there's like a seed figure but there's no one redemptive. - You
talking about the bagel? - The bagel is like, the bagel is like the realm of, the
bagel is like hell. It's like uncreation. But Joy is like Satan. She's trying to
get everyone into hell. - Just because she's depressed. - Yeah, which is such a
bummer. - She's trying to destroy herself too. Do you think-- - Becky's a good
girlfriend. - She seems nice. I like her. - She seemed very nice. - She's pushing
grandpa around. - Yeah, she's great. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Didn't seem like she was
helping Joy's mental health very much though. - Do you think that the multiverse is
something like humans have created because we want our lives to have significance?
Like that's kind of what I was like the, which we'll get to that later in the
idol of the film, but like I was thinking about this, like in a multiverse, you
don't have God. And so like what do you have? Like it has to be like, I don't
know. Like that's a way to explain bad things that happened to you or or I know
it definitely seems like a like a grasping for something beyond like I don't I
don't feel like personally the concept of a multiverse makes my life feel more
significant if anything it feels less significant like there's infinite other Johns
out there who are all doing varying degrees of better and worse than I'm just one
of infinite beings is so impersonal. Right. Right. Like, you're not significant,
you know, like, that's the thing about the multiverse that always bothers me. Like,
none of the things that you witness happening in a multiversal situation is actually
that significant if there are any infinite number of other things going on.
Right. You know, right. You're just being entertained for a time. And this movie,
Like, you know, like Annie said, there is this really beautiful dynamic where a
mother is realizing how she has been so criticized and kind of scolded by her
parents for the life decisions that she made that now she's very hypercritical of
her daughter and that's kind of repeating the cycle. So she's trying to break those
chains. It's a very Christian idea of like breaking generational sins and things like
that. That's really good. I love, Wayman's whole, the way that we fight is through
kindness and through love, not through just breaking people apart. But yeah, this
isn't this. This really is a movie that says that despite the despite the black
hole of insignificance that weighs over all of us, we can manufacture our own
meaning and purpose. And that's not a very Christian idea. Yeah, no,
I do feel like it's a step. I feel like the message of this movie is taking a
step away from that. But it is very like human centered, right? Because it is like,
well, if nothing matters, right? There's something joy says, is if I can do
everything and anything, then nothing matters. And that is relieving because then your
failure doesn't matter either. And then it's a very like human centered answer that
they have, right? Well, we do have love, and that does kind of bring us out of
why we care if, you know what I mean? But I do feel like that is a step towards
a Christian idea, even if it isn't in and of itself, because of the draw towards,
you know, caring and having connections with other people. Yeah, I feel like it
opens the door for more things to come, but it's not quite there yet. Yeah. And
maybe like seeing it through a Christian lens, like when I'm watching this, I'm
thinking like, oh, yeah, my life is so sweet and I need to be like present and I
want to be like present to like the things around me. And that I think, yeah,
maybe if you don't have that worldview, you probably wouldn't think of that. Yeah.
Um, who are we praying for in this movie? To the tax lady. I forget her name, but
yeah, I feel like she's just unhinged. She like staples her head at one point,
which that was to jump versus, but then the opening scene when she's drinking the
muscle milk and like two goals. And I handle that. She just seems like she's got a
hard life, you know, she drove her, didn't she say I drove my Kia through a window
when my, when my husband served me divorce papers. I think she drove his Kia. Oh,
drove his Kia. Yeah, she's, yeah, she's saying that it's those, they're, she and
Evelyn are both like heartless, you know. - Oh yeah. - Winches. And that they make
the world go around. Yeah, I would, I don't know. I feel like I would pray for
obviously like the, you know, Evelyn and Waymond and Joy.
But I think if I had to pick a specific one, I don't know, I would be praying
for Waymond because he's such a sweet person and he hasn't allowed himself to really
come sort of embittered and cynical really as much as the rest of them.
And I just feel like he's precious. And I'm going to like protect protect that.
Yeah, mm -hmm. I love that. We're going to talk through the idol. Wait,
wait, whoa, rats. I have not yet prayed for anyone. Go ahead. Who do you want to
pray for? I'm praying for Wreck and Cooney and his chef. Oh, it's just it's - It's
a hard thing when you're so tightly knit to-- - To an animal. - To what's called
codependency. - Well, no, not just an animal, but like a friend, you know? And when
that friend gets torn away from you and misunderstood, you know, this is not just,
this is not just a varmint. - It's like a very nasty record. - This is my friend.
Could you imagine having a job where you literally couldn't function if you didn't
have like a rodent attached to you and not just a rodent attached to you a rodent
attached to you who knows like who knows what to do is it culinary techniques how
does that work in all of our jobs like like you just have like that much personal
information about ourselves how does that correlate with your social security number
did I yeah wait did I know I don't know no all up but the but the but the I'll
pay for grandpa because it's all right for Raymond Chang because I don't know,
dude. It's hard to be super old and I'm honestly, if he's 98,
it said, or 96, that means he was in his early 90s when they filmed this movie.
Oh, wow. He's still alive. Wow. So I'm just praying for him because his days may
be numbered. Yeah, his time on earth may be short. So now we're presenting the
gospel. Yeah, who's the gospel? Who are you presenting the gospel to? Oh, yeah. I'll
double up. I'll double up. The grandpa? Yeah. His days are numbered. His days are
numbered. His days are numbered. Yeah, that's right. Come on. I'm presenting the
gospel to Jobu Tubaki. Or Joy, which one? No, no, no. Jobu Tubaki.
The Satan person. I just I want to introduce her to the ultimate and infinite
somebody, like take your everything bagel and shove it,
here's Jesus of Nazareth come to take away your sin. You want to see some holes,
he's got two of them in his hands and one in his feet. That's right. I actually
would also present the gospel to Joy just because she was like deeply sad like she
has these moments where she's like nothing matters like we're kind of talking about
it and very nihilistic very nihilistic and that's a cry we hear in the world and
then I was thinking you know we've kind of talked about on this podcast before
about like what it looks like to present the gospel to people and I think there
there was a moment I think in the movie where where when Evelyn tries to like is
just like sit with she sits with her in it you know she's like show me what it
show me the nothing show me the you know That's what kind of when they're the
rocks on the on the thing, you know, but I was thinking about that That's what you
do. You sit in the darkness. Mm -hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I probably preach the gospel to
Evelyn because I think that Something that becomes very apparent in the movie is how
disappointed she is with her life Mm -hmm, and you know the draw of the multiverse
I think is almost very like ecclesiastical because the The reason that the multiverse
is tempting, maybe to us as viewers, certainly to me, as well as to Evelyn,
is that this, just this idea of an infinite amount of more. I wanna know more
about what could have happened. I wanna experience more, I wanna have more, and this
allows me literally for me to do that because I get to see what I did or what I
had as very self -centered in a way, 'cause you find out more about your Um, and
she was sort of tempted to do that as she was, you know, like seeing what her
life was like as an actor and, and, um, all these other lives she could have had.
I think that the reason she did that was because she just was struggling with
feeling insignificant, like a failure. Um, and I think something that I would share
or an idea I think that would have been meaningful is how, you know,
we're not the ones who define ourselves when we give our lives to Jesus, you know,
he's the one who defines us. He's the one who says who we are. So it doesn't
really matter in a way what we have done or haven't done because he's the one who
defines us. It's not a sense of nothing, you know? Yeah, I love that. Yeah. All
right. What's the sequel? No, the idol. We talked about the idol. We did not talk
about the We talked substantially about the idol. Did we talk substantially about
circles? Because circles are certainly an idol. No, but I do think the idol is kind
of what Annie was saying, where it's like your life has to be great by the world
standards. And if it's not, like, you're a failure in life. True. Yeah. I also had
a question. What does the multiverse give us? I think that's a question that...
Is that a follow -up question? That's two questions now. Or is that the question for
the idol? - Yeah, the idol. What does the multiverse give us? Why do you think
we're so drawn to a multiverse? - I think kind of what we were saying that like we
want, I don't know, there to be like, - One more. - Yeah, we want more and like,
there to be something else out there. - Yeah, that was one thing that I was
thinking, but I guess if we've already covered the idol, we can just move on. - We
have, we have moving on. What's the sequel, John? - This is a hard one, it's it's
very hard. I thought of, you know, now Joy's a mom.
She adopted because, you know, lesbian. But now she's also kind of a negligent mom,
just like Michelle Yoh was. So now she has to go through her own thing. And it's
everything everywhere, all at twice.
I'd like to see this movie redone with different ethnic groups. I love that this
was a very Asian movie, but I'd like to see it differently. I'd like to see an
all -black one. I'd like to see a mixed -race one, you know? - What would an all
-black one be called? - Okay, I'm not gonna answer that, 'cause I know exactly what
you want me to say, and I'm not gonna
Like a like a like a Mexican won't be fun. Well, how would you say that in
Spanish, sweetie? Todo Wait, everything todo everywhere and todos lados.
Mm -hmm a un tiempo That doesn't sound right. I'm good at all But we bring back
Eugenio Derbez And he is short round in this movie.
He's the star, but dad. He's ki ki kuei han You want him to be the dad? No,
here's the thing, no, I think that he needs to be, what if he was Evelyn and he's
just a super hypercritical dad and his son and it's a sequel,
no, no, no, listen, listen, and then because it's a very unfortunately big thing,
right, that Mexican dads, if their sons are not as manly as they want them to be,
because maybe they are gay or something. - Very strange relationship right there.
- That one's called everything, everywhere, not included.
- Everything, everywhere, instructions. - Instructions. - I had, I don't know,
I kind of wanted to work out these plots with you guys. - Okay, all right. - So we
got nothing nowhere over long periods of time. - Oh, I did that one too. And it's
just like one life. It's just a normal movie. No, actually,
it's actually an art installment. And it's like, it's like 75 years long.
And it just shows the entire life. It's like boyhood of one person, you know?
There's like multiple crews over generations just filming this one person's life. OK.
And you can go to a building in New York City and watch all of it. It's like the
I like your like what was the last part because I did nothing nowhere and not at
the same time. No, I wrote nothing nowhere over long periods of time. Okay. Because
it was like all at once. Yeah. You know, it's like, no, this is spread out. Oh,
yeah, yeah. And then what do you guys think of this one? We got sometimes some
places or sorry, some things some places sometimes. Oh, so kind of partial.
Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking this one is like an elaborate, like, ensemble cast of
just like a ridiculous amount of actors. And it's one of those, like, it's one of
those, like, you know, like, Valentine's Day or Valentine's Day. And it's just them
just doing things all over New York, you know? And we're calling it some things,
some places, sometimes. OK, I have one more, guys. Hold on. OK, go ahead.
Everything, everywhere, all with buns, And it's the hot dog hands universe
Okay, everything everywhere all with buns, and it's just tiny rabbits
Idea we had before but instead
I would like an explicitly Christian movie where They are where The object of this
movie is to have a better marriage and to be better and also for Joy not to be
gay. And Joy does play Satan in the other universe and there is an actual Jesus
character named Jesus and there's no fun pun in this one but I thought it could be
called forever and ever amen. Oh, that's good. But it's just, it's the same movie
but it's just Christianized. Oh good, that's good. That's going to be by the people
that did God's Not Dead.
That's going to be why the people who did Hamilton at this white church and they
and people on tiktok were calling it in the whites.
Do you know what the white version of Hamilton is called?
Hamilton. You can preach that. But they were doing all the rapping and stuff anyway.
I had a film that I was in uh called uh the laundromat was just it's just all
the doings and goings on of that particular laundromat i probably watched that um
and then i had a ratatouille two uh raccoony ratatouille no ratatouille two
ratatouille ratatouille yeah raccoouille that's too much racatouille would the threeq
will be called ratatouille? Radda 3. Racka 3. Racka 3. Sounds like a Bosnitch.
Rackon 3. Rackon 3. Alright, that's all I got. What are the emails we're getting?
I don't know. Hold on. There's actually something that I wrote down. What would you
like to ask of the text? What would you like to ask of the text? There was one
thing that really bothered me. That was never resolved in the whole movie. It's
never brought up again. Evelyn definitely punches Deirdre in the face.
Oh, she does. And nothing happens to her. Yeah, security showed up.
And then before you know it, they're just hanging out. Yeah, it just bothered me.
That's not the first time that's happened to her. She's just a very forgiving
person. She just gets punched in the face a lot as an IRS. I kind of asked for
that that was really on me or maybe Evelyn gas litter and she's like you ran into
my fist she's like I never punch you I just had to get that up my chest I just
I didn't know that's I feel like no I feel like in that in the movie she somehow
there's sometimes when they switch the universe that they're in and she never goes
back to the one she was in before oh that's true so maybe yeah She never went
back to the universe. Yeah, to that one because then they jumped into the one where
she's like Oh, and this one I just went home. Mm -hmm. We did our taxes. Oh, yeah,
that's right. Okay. Yeah Yeah, so you weren't just paying you were just weren't
paying attention
What are the emails we're getting?
Maybe multiverse supporters, you know, like here's what you guys are diverse and you
guys don't actually stand Maybe There are people who are like no Christianity is
actually all about the multiverse. Let me tell you fast. Yeah, that'd be interesting
Please DMS that I would want to know. Mm -hmm. Yeah, or is it like a by -verse
like either like your There's not really a multiverse. It's like just two paths. You
choose Jesus or You choose hell. Do you guys wish that there were more white people
in this movie?
No Danielle, this is a movie where you miss the representation boat.
No, I like seeing people of different persuasions playing roles.
Like I want to see interesting, unique takes on film. There's too many white people
in this movie. If you could take one Asian person and make them a white person
from this movie. No. Who would you? Who would you pick? Yeah. A - Uh,
maybe. - It's a trap. (laughing) - She's like, "I would make the grandpa John
Goodman." - The raccoon. I would put a tiny little white person in there. - No, it
was like-- - No, wait, actually. You could have made him a little white rat and you
would have been Stuart Little. - Oh, a little white rat, yeah. - Rats are not as
endearing as-- - Yes, they are. - Also, we already have ratatouille. - Are white rats
like Anglo -Saxon though? Like, do they have village and their little rap community.
- 'Cause they're rare. - 'Cause they're so rare. - No, no, no. - That's a minority
thing, you know? Minorities are not favored in the animal kingdom. - Are you getting
any more rap privilege? - I mean, I'm trying to. We're just not getting anywhere.
And that's probably for the best. Listener, thank you so much for listening. - We
did it. - We just want you to know that if there were a million multiverses, we
would love you in each and every one. - Yeah, we would still choose you. That's
right. And one day, listener, we'll do laundry together. What? Signing out.
Jazz music. All right, see you guys. Bye.