Embodied Leadership: LeeAnn Mallorie’s Path to Transformation

 In this episode of Career Coaching Secrets, host Rexhen sits down with LeeAnn Mallorie, CEO of Guts and Grace Leadership. Since 2006, LeeAnn has helped women leaders, innovators, and change makers expand their impact without burning out—through a unique blend of executive coaching, mindfulness, and her signature Guts and Grace methodology. Together, they explore what it takes to break leadership ceilings, transform authentically, and scale a coaching business in alignment with your true self. Whether you’re a coach looking to grow or a leader striving for bold, sustainable impact, this conversation offers powerful insights into reinvention, authenticity, and scaling with purpose.




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Transcript

LeeAnn Mallorie: 0:00

For example, I work with someone who came in and she wasn't actually very hidden about it. She just didn't know what to do with it. So she's like, I feel like I'm supposed to help a million children. I'm like, that's cool. Like, you know, you're kind of a mid-level leader in a nonprofit that has nothing to do with kids right now. Like, but that was something that she was carrying, right? Fast forward two different jobs. She ends up, you know, getting her first CEO position in an educational organization and then eventually running a charter school system that's trying to expand across the country and probably will end up helping a million children. So we couldn't have foreseen that.

Davis Nguyen : 0:30

Welcome to Career Coaching Secrets, the podcast where we talk with successful career coaches on how they built their success and the hard lessons they learned along the way. My name is Davis Wynn and I'm the founder of Purple Circle, where we help career coaches scale their business to $100,000 years, $100,000 months, and even $100,000 weeks. Before Purple Circle, I've grown several seven and eight-figure career coaching businesses myself and have been a consultant at two career coaching businesses that are doing over $100 million each. Whether you're an established coach or building your practice for the first time, you'll discover the secrets to elevating your coaching business.

Rexhen Doda: 1:01

Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of Career Coaching Stuart's Podcast. I'm your host, Regin, and today's guest is Lianne Mallory, the CEO of Guts and Grace Leadership and a trailblazer in helping female executives, innovators, and change makers expand their impact without burning out. Since 2006, uh Lianne has been coaching leaders and teams around the globe, combining executive coaching with body-based mindfulness practices that bridge the gap between the logical mind and the deeper wisdom of the soul. Through her guts and grace methodology, she equips purpose-driven women leaders to dismantle, internalize barriers, sustain their energy, and lead with boldness, authenticity, and resilience. And it's a pleasure for me to have her on the podcast today. Welcome to the show.

LeeAnn Mallorie: 1:53

Thank you so much, Regin. It's great to be here.

Rexhen Doda: 1:55

Thank you for coming, Lee. And I wanted to ask you about your beginnings when it comes to guts and grace. I know it's been getting closer to seven years now that you've started it since 2019. And wanted to ask you like what inspired you to become a coach and then start your coaching business.

LeeAnn Mallorie: 2:13

Well, actually, Guts and Grace started in 2014 and I started to build the methodology in 2010. So it's actually been quite a while that I've been on this path of guts and grace as a set of practices and also as a coaching program and coaching approach. Though funny enough, I actually started coaching in 2005 and six when I was working for another organization. And the truth is I never actually aspired to be a coach. I started coaching young enough that I was looking for, well, looking for a job, but specifically at the time I was really interested in cross-cultural leadership. And when I graduated from my graduate degree, I started to do some research on who was running firms that were doing cross-cultural leadership training. And around that time in 2004, 2005, there actually weren't a whole lot of people doing that. Or if there were firms out there that were doing it, they were fairly small, or I would kind of outreach them and they would say, Well, you know, it looks like we're a big company, but it's actually just me and we don't have any business. So I kind of got uh a taste of what was happening with people who were trying to build a particular kind of coaching business at that time. And through a referral from someone who was connected to my graduate school, got lucky to be hired and into an entry-level position in a bigger firm that was doing transformational leadership coaching, not specifically intercultural in nature or cross-cultural nature, but it was a pretty deep dive method for teaching people leadership. And that particular program had coaching as a component of what was offered to the leaders who came to work with us. So as a fairly young person or kind of inter-level role on the team, at first I started doing 360 feedback interviews and doing something a bit like what you're doing here, right? Gathering data and asking people a lot of questions. And they found that I was good at that. And they said, Well, do you want to learn to be a coach? That's the next rung on the ladder in our organization in terms of a role that you could play with our clientele. So I came into coaching through that invitation. And what I had been longing for when I left graduate school was really to make an impact on people because I was more in the science and research domain before, which is partly why I came out into the workforce. And so I found that in coaching pretty quickly I really could make at least on one person's life and maybe the life of their team or the people around them, uh, a pretty specific kind of impact that I really enjoyed doing. So I stuck with it all this time.

Rexhen Doda: 4:34

Cool. And so for those of them that are listening that might fit the the profile of the people that you typically work with, how would you describe that ideal clan profile? I know I mentioned some of this on the intro as well. I talked about women, I talked about leaders, innovators, but would you say that there's a certain industry? Um, is it only women? Does it only fit into that demographic, or is there other people that could fit into that profile? Do they have some common goals or other commonalities? How would you describe that?

LeeAnn Mallorie: 5:05

If I had a dollar for the number of times I've been asked this question over the course of my career and building guts and grace, I would be even more wealthy than I am. And you know, I say that it's like there's always this need and instigation by those who mentor us in the coaching industry to have a niche. And I would say my niche is very dialed in now. It's very precise, it's very clear, but it's also a little bit hard to explain. So essentially, I work with the women who are the ones situated inside of organizations typically who are a little bit different than uh the people in their organization who are probably culture builders and or disruptors or innovators in some way, and maybe aren't getting full traction inside of that. And mostly when I know someone's a good fit for guts and grace, it's when they lean in when they hear guts and grace. They're like, wait, what is that? That sounds cool. I'm interested in that. Because often it's no particular archetype of woman leader who maybe has learned to wield masculine strengths and superpowers to get by in a fairly masculine workplace, but also has this other side that she's not necessarily talking about at work. Maybe she also is a yoga teacher, maybe she has a mindfulness practice, maybe she loves to dance, maybe she fills in the blank, really, maybe she has a deep spiritual practice or she's a very religious woman, for example, but it's not so much welcome at work. And what I found is that often there's a time when a woman will hit a leadership ceiling or a ceiling in terms of their ability to climb a ladder because they've left those parts of themselves out of the workplace and they're actually their strongest strengths or their deepest gifts, but there's no roadmap, there's no handbook of how do I translate my spiritual practice or how do I translate my yoga into my leadership. And so there's really a need for someone who has that particular build to learn how to wield that and to let go of the things that are in the way of them wielding that. And that's actually what guts and grace is designed to help women do. It's not true that it can only serve women, but I like to work with groups of women because we get in different conversations than we would in a mixed gender group. Although I do have programs that are based on the methodology of guts and grace that we do with mixed gendered groups. I've come to find that there's a real unlock that happens with women, which is why I've built it that way.

Rexhen Doda: 7:11

It makes sense, actually. And so um for the women that are listening to this that fit that profile, what is the engagement they have with you? Is there a certain program of a certain length? Are there multiple programs? How would you describe that?

LeeAnn Mallorie: 7:25

Yeah, we have three tiers or three layers of the work. So again, what I found is that it tends to be that we're there's a journey we have to go through to be fully expressed, fully embodied, fully empowered, fully confident. And there's kind of milestones along that journey. So there's a moment where I just realize that there's something more. And when I'm at that moment, often there folks are gonna be meeting us like this on a podcast. Maybe they're gonna be meeting us at an event if I'm speaking or if I'm hosting something. I love to host dinners and kind of smaller gatherings. Uh, and it's like something is missing, or there's something I've left behind, or somehow I can sense that there's more for me and I'm not quite sure what to do with it, or I just know that I'm kind of living split lives and the tension of that becomes too strong. So there's three different courses that we run. One is called Activate. It's a subset of our guts and grace methodology. It's basically a short course. You can do it in eight days, you can do it over the course of eight weeks. We run it in a set of companies. We also offer it sometimes as a um either a self-study or a program that will run at a retreat or a live event. So we're doing, for example, in Costa Rica, we're bringing folks in with us to do the activate methodology in a deep dive over five days. Our bread and butter, the main peep place that people work with me is inside of Guts and Grace, which is I call it a coaching program, a coaching and mastermind program. Essentially, it's a combination of individual coaching, group coaching, and then four retreats over the course of a year, which is very similar actually to the structure of the company that I worked at initially when I kind of built my chops and coaching. So I've almost always been mostly coaching, where there's a program and there's coaching happening at the same time. And then I do also offer executive level coaching. Sometimes there's a mastermind with that, or sometimes it's just solo if that's what somebody needs. So if they're already kind of at the level where they're disrupting their industries, leading really innovative businesses off in social impact businesses, folks will come to meet and prefer perhaps to work one-on-one, or we'll primarily work one-on-one and they'll be a little bit of a tie-in with some of my executive level clients.

Rexhen Doda: 9:20

And I guess depending on the program they go through as well, there's a certain program length that is needed for them to see meaningful change.

LeeAnn Mallorie: 9:28

It's true. I mean, we've designed our programs to be, you can see change in that arena based on the length that we're offering. So in Activate, we specifically dial into one piece of unprogramming and reprogramming, if you will, that they need to do in both a mindset and embodied way to start seeing change. So in as little as a week, typically if I run it live, I run it over the course of like seven weeks. So it could be seven days or seven weeks. Um, but you'll see change. And you'll see change both in how they're behaving and what's coming back to them, how people are responding to them. Our guts and grace program is a year. And for someone to go through a meaningful kind of self-reinvention, professional reinvention, I would say it takes six months to two and a half years, but really a year to two years is kind of the sweet spot. Maybe a year to 18 months where you're actually gonna see things are significantly different. I'm leveled up and fully comfortable in a role that's beyond what I was able to achieve before. Maybe I've actually fully changed my career, and that's part of what the change has been. You really can't rush that process. You can definitely create a meaningful change and expedite something in a certain way, but uh real change takes time.

Rexhen Doda: 10:34

And it takes time for our bodies to catch up with the ideas of what we're um and generally for the women listening, so let's say they're working in this company, they have breached that ceiling, just like you mentioned. What does then transformation look like in most cases? Is it them starting their own? If they had something on the side, would they actually be expanding on that, or it all depends on like the person? It depends very much. Any patterns there.

LeeAnn Mallorie: 11:01

There's definitely patterns, and it's also fairly custom. What I have majored in, I would say, in my career is not giving like here's a cookie cutter way, or here's exactly the next one, two, three. Now I have a methodology, but the methodology really supports people to create their own roadmap more than anything. That being said, some of the trends that I see are that when women of this particular build uh hit a ceiling, there can be a sense of like, I need to leave here. Either I need to quit working in corporate altogether and go start my own thing, or I need to leave this organization and find another one that's better for me in X, Y, and Z way. And sometimes it's true and sometimes it's not. So I do what I call parallel track coaching, where we actually dial in on what is the transformation that needs to happen internally and what's the vision of how things will be and the sense of that in an embodied way. And then we really let walking the path dictate what the outcome is going to be. So I've coached people out of corporate into running their own business. I've coached people from running their own business back into corporate. I've coached people from one organization to another. I've also coached people who were 100% sure they needed to leave an organization. And through doing the work, they've gotten promoted several times and are maybe even now running the company. So it just really depends on this sense of alignment between where you're going and your trust that that may be possible and then kind of getting out of the way of how whatever we say, right? The universe, whatever, wants to bring us that answer to that. And I think in fact, the less sure you are about how it's going to look, the better.

Rexhen Doda: 12:29

I like that. So the less sure you're about how it's going to look like, the better. Oftentimes, how how I uh perceive that is if you know what's it like gonna be for you for the next five years, then you're probably walking in someone else's path, not your own path. And you're the path of your old programming. Yeah.

LeeAnn Mallorie: 12:48

Or the path of your ego old programming, someone else's path, former embodiment. What often happens, right, is if someone is sure this is what they need to do next or where they need to be next, there's some thread in that that's a replication of the pattern that got them in the situation they don't like in the first place. And if that actually doesn't get addressed, this won't surprise anyone who's a coach. But if that doesn't actually get addressed, right, then in a way they're just gonna be finding themselves at some period of time with that same pattern. So we go after the pattern and we really let the walking of the path dictate what may be possible.

Rexhen Doda: 13:20

Yeah, so uh it's generally okay not to know that next step, right? You'd say so.

LeeAnn Mallorie: 13:25

And is my favorite word. Best one grace. I would and most people I work with also have a hunch or a vision or something they've not been fully out about or haven't been fully honest with themselves about that tends to play a role when the whole thing plays out. So if for example, I work with someone who came in and she wasn't actually very hidden about it, she just didn't know what to do with it. So she's like, I feel like I'm supposed to help a million children. I'm like, that's cool. Like, you know, you're kind of a mid-level leader in a nonprofit that has nothing to do with kids right now. Like, but that was something that she was carrying, right? Fast forward two different jobs. She ends up, you know, getting her first CEO position in an educational organization and then eventually running a charter school system that's trying to expand across the country and probably will end up helping a million children. So we couldn't have foreseen that, right? But if she had just said, like, I'm going to try to make something happen and do that, it probably wouldn't have led her there. But there was a thread. And I think often people also have a thread. Cool.

Rexhen Doda: 14:22

And and I want to dive into your thread as well, but before we get to that, um this is a question that coaches who are listening are going to find interesting. And we also do need this for our research. When it comes to marketing, is there a certain marketing channel that you've seen working really well for you?

LeeAnn Mallorie: 14:39

Mostly for me speaking. Um, and I think it is probably because of the it depends factor of my work. I also blog. Uh so I have found that writing regularly on topics that excite me and that are relevant to what's happening in the world tends to be good marketing for me. Then we tend to cut it up, repurpose it, put it in different places online. Often that's what people respond to. What I've found, and I don't think this is this could be a factor of not being great at certain kinds of marketing, or it could just be luck or it could be many things, but mostly when I'm specifically trying to promote something, we don't see as much turnaround. But if I'm just sharing from my heart, if I'm putting out content that's embodied and emotional and connects with the audience in relation to what's happening in the collective at any given time, that tends to be where people lean in or where people want to hear more. And typically when I speak, people will follow up. So those have been the channels that have worked the best for us, as well as I happen to just love to host dinners. So leverage that as part of our strategy as well.

Rexhen Doda: 15:39

You did mention that too. So now going to like the thread that we mentioned earlier for you in this case, the future. Do you have some sort of goals or maybe business goals or vision for the next one to three years with your coaching business with Gets and Grace?

LeeAnn Mallorie: 15:56

We do. We are so I a little bit of backstory is I've been a small business, a couple of team members, founder-led, kind of founder focused since 2014. And in the last year, some of my mentors and guides really have encouraged me to build a new leadership team. So I'm in the process of doing that right now, which means that rather than be kind of founder-owned solely, we're now a collective. And well, ultimately a collective of nine women. At the moment, we're six. And so, as part of that, well, let's say that has that I think serves as the foundation for a kind of scaling that we're up to right now, which is intended to make the work more broadly available, both through an app, which we're working on developing right now, as well as through a more comprehensive live event series. Because the work that I do is embodied, the one-on-one work, the virtual work, all of this we can actually take people pretty deep, surprisingly deep. But most of the transformation, or let's say the most exciting part of the transformation tends to happen when we're live in a room. We're going to be opening up some of our quarterly guts and grace retreats, which have only been reserved for members, for cohort members, open them up to the public, and also producing more events like the one that we're doing in Costa Rica, in addition to live local events that are more like a day, a half day in nature, with an intention of beginning to build more of a network across different industries of women who are in the same practice so that they can both collaborate together and frankly respond to the challenges we're looking at, especially in the US right now, in terms of innovation, responding to disruption, that sort of thing.

Rexhen Doda: 17:31

Cool. That is very specific. I like how specific it is and like how how you've been thinking about it for a little while, and it's been a path.

LeeAnn Mallorie: 17:38

I mean, if I tell you the truth, I've been in the process of scaling this business for probably five years, and I've tried a lot of different things on. And what's been getting dialed in in the last, we talk about transformation in a year to two years, right? What's been getting dialed in the last year to two years is clarity about what our best moves are, where people get the most transformation from us, what that really needs to look like. I guess I didn't share this also. I have a new bench of coaches, so I'm not the only person doing coaching in my organization as of the last probably year and a half. And so we're really working on training the coaches, making the methodology more clear in terms of how to use it with our clients. Of course, they bring in each of them their own magic and have different styles, but there is a thread we're tracking that's a transformational journey we take our clients through. So in a way, I'm in this phase kind of legacy, although I'm pretty young to be thinking about legacy, but like passing on or having the work get expanded to for other people to be able to wield it eventually as well as are better than I do.

Rexhen Doda: 18:35

So when you say, so you you mentioned it's right now turning into a collective, it's already six women, right? Uh in in the collective, and then you have a team of coaches that you're training at the same time, but those are not the same as the woman from the collective, right? They're not actually.

LeeAnn Mallorie: 18:55

There's some overlap. So half of them are and half of them are not.

Rexhen Doda: 18:57

Oh, cool. So that makes sense then. Interesting. And right now you're aiming to scale. And what would you say, like in terms of challenges, what is that that one big challenge that you're trying to solve for next? Or where is the biggest challenge when it comes to scaling for you?

LeeAnn Mallorie: 19:13

This is the million dollar, this is the five million dollar question. What is the one thing that we need to solve for?

Rexhen Doda: 19:19

Or let's say not let's say, let's say what is the one thing that you're thinking of solving next instead of because if you knew that one thing probably would be too easy.

LeeAnn Mallorie: 19:28

Well, I mean, yeah, essentially it's the lead gen, but the thing is we know the answer, which is I need to be speaking, you know, five times a month rather than once a quarter. Because we know that that's part of what works from a lead gen perspective for us. We've just basically gone back to rebuild all of our infrastructure. So we're currently re-branding, we're currently rebuilding our website, we're currently rebuilding all of our marketing funnels because when we drive more traffic, but everything in the back end, some of you coaches may relate to this, things in the back end are kind of buttoned together, a little bit broken, and like this working but not working that well. We've left a lot of money on the table from having faulty systems, not you know, ideal funnels and this kind of a thing. So it's been a couple of years of going inward and rebuilding foundations to be able to actually do more lead gen. And I've also been through cycles of doing a lot of lead gen and having a lot leak out because that wasn't solid. Because I'm not an operations gal at all. I'm much more of a like be in relationship, be on a state, like do the things that I love to do. And so the back end, the ops have gotten a little bit the short end of the stick in a certain period of our growth as a business. And that's what we've been doing the cleanup on. Cool.

Rexhen Doda: 20:37

Cool. Well, um, I'm glad that it's there are all steps in the right direction. And so I wanted to ask you also, and this goes to the research again, when it comes to investments, obviously you've made a lot of investments. What have been some investments recent years that you feel really good about? Either you learned a lot or got a good return from. It could be investments of money and time or time or both. And what have been some of the investments that you would have preferred to have avoided if there's any bad investment?

LeeAnn Mallorie: 21:04

Well, I don't think there's any bad investment because we always learn from things. I can say that early on, like the year that I started my own business and left the company I was working for, I started to study with Angelique Ruers, who is a person who basically teaches how to sell to corporate. Um, that's a very probably not a comprehensive summary of what she does or her business does. Uh, she now works under the brand Boldhouse. It was called the Corporate Agent when I started working with her. And what she was really all about, and I believe in ways continues to be, is um just learning how to sell as a coach and not imagining that if you build a lot of marketing machines, it's suddenly gonna bring back all this stuff and you're suddenly gonna make a million dollars. And I really owe, I think, a lot of the initial growth of my business to the mindset and the strategies that were taught in that container. I studied with them for five years, actually maybe six years, at least six years probably. So that felt like a great investment. It was a coaching program. I was learning, I was developing practices and approaches that were about building a certain type of business. What it didn't help me do was anything around our brand. It didn't help me do anything around our visibility, certainly not selling on social media, any of those kinds of things. So then later I swung the other direction and began studying with folks who were teaching more of those tactics and strategies. I've done both. So part of our work has been now to put those things together. Those all felt like great investments at the time, and I wouldn't have kept making them if they didn't help us grow the business at that time. More recently, I would say I've invested in some pay-to-play stages, like pay to speak, some that have gone well, some that haven't gone as well. I think I didn't necessarily gauge the audience well enough or take full stock of are these actually our people or are we allowed to make offers in the way that we want to make offers before I said yes to the investment. And same thing with some marketing and PR support. I won't say there's ever a nightmare, right? But there have been a couple of folks where I was really impressed with what they were doing, but I missed my own spidey sense along the way that actually we weren't totally values aligned or the strategy they were going to teach us wasn't something I'd ultimately want to do. And those end up being quote unquote bad investments in the sense that we got partway through a lot of time and money invested and I didn't end up using the tactics because they when it came to actually doing them, I was like, that's not me. I can't do that. And because what I teach is embodiment authenticity, well I couldn't fake it, right? And so I say in terms of bad investments, those have been the things where I've had to actually kind of back up from and recover from.

Rexhen Doda: 23:30

Interesting. Uh basically they if you were to follow those strategies, it would mean that you would not be authentic anymore. And at that point, you're basically probably not even gonna reach your target audience the same way.

LeeAnn Mallorie: 23:41

That's pretty much what happened.

Rexhen Doda: 23:43

Yeah.

LeeAnn Mallorie: 23:43

Um, and you know, it's all learning. I mean, I I don't know that I could have known that without making that investment, going down that rabbit hole. So I don't regret it. I just I would say now if I'm coaching someone who's considering similar strategies, I'm gonna ask them the kind of questions that are really like all of us, I think, want to get ahead and to some extent will perform to the test to do that. My entire brand is around not doing that. And still, I've even done that myself, right? Or maybe that's maybe I'm teaching it because it's my path to learn to how to unravel that in me. But I think if somebody's approach is exciting to you and that feels like it's gonna make you more of yourself, awesome. Like invest with that person. And if it's not, it's there's probably gonna be a moment where it either stopped working or you wish you weren't doing it.

Rexhen Doda: 24:29

Yeah. Yeah, definitely important to like make sure that you're still like your authentic self uh in the process. So my final question is when when thinking about uh scaling, there's a lot of coaches that want to scale as well, that are listening to this podcast. Uh they want to scale because they want to make a bigger impact. For coaches who want to scale their impact, is there any advice you'd like to give to these coaches? And potentially it could be an advice you give to yourself because you also want to do the same things.

LeeAnn Mallorie: 25:00

Yeah, totally. Well, if I'm not thinking as much about myself, because I think I've been walking this path for a while, I would say learn to sell. There's a lot of folks that I meet who become coaches because they're so excited about coaching, but aren't into sales or just are kind of wishfully thinking or hoping that they won't have to do that part. You know, some people have managed to build businesses where someone else is doing that, but if you're starting out and it's the early stages, you'll have to be at least comfortable with it. I was really lucky. The company I worked for for 10 years, like I built my chops in coaching, they also required that we sell if we wanted to coach. And so it wasn't like I had the choice that somebody else was doing all of the business development and I just got to coach. I actually had to do both. And then when I went out on my own, I was already somewhat good at that. I already knew how to watch, I already knew how to do the mindset part of that work. I already knew how to do some of the technicalities of that work. It was totally different selling my own work versus the work for the company I work for. So there's a lot of learning still required, but I at least was warmed up to it. I think that really matters. And then the second thing that I would give myself and anyone is kind of what I said that at this point now, I don't believe that there's a path to scale that's not fully aligned with my build, what I care about, or who I am. No matter how good it looks on paper, no matter what somebody else is saying, this works for everyone, we have a proven formula, like this is the answer. If it's not you, at some point it will break. And or at some point you're gonna get resentful. So it's kind of what I already said. That is really what I would offer to anyone. I actually had a coach recently. Um I'm not working with her anymore, but what I appreciated about her entire kind of manifesto was was if you're going to build something that you want to grow, you have to build it in a way that's native and aligned to you. Otherwise, all the things will happen.

Rexhen Doda: 26:41

So that's what I would for anyone who is listening and wants to connect with you or reach out to you, they can go into LinkedIn and look up Leanne Mallory. They'll be able to find your profile. They can also go to the website gutsandgrace.com, which we'll link also to the description.

LeeAnn Mallorie: 26:58

And yeah, if you're looking for me online, Instagram, Leanne.mallory, LinkedIn, Leanne Mallory, as long as you spell Mallory with an IE at the end, you're gonna find me. And if you spell it with a Y, you're gonna find someone else who looks a little bit like me.

Rexhen Doda: 27:10

Good. Thank you. Thank you for that detail. All right, and thank you so much for coming to the show today. It was lovely to have you on.

LeeAnn Mallorie: 27:15

Thank you so much, Regin. I appreciate it.

Davis Nguyen : 27:17

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