From Classroom to Coaching: Mike Leaman’s Six-Session Success System

In this episode of Career Coaching Secrets, Pedro sits down with Mike Leaman, founder of Classroom Exit Coach, to break down how structured coaching programs can create real, lasting career change. Mike shares why he moved away from open-ended coaching and instead offers a fixed six-session coaching program designed to give teachers clarity, confidence, and direction as they transition out of education.

They explore Mike’s journey from history teacher and school leader to full-time coach, the pressures driving educators to seek change, and how identity, mindset, and lifestyle all shape career decisions. Mike explains how he structures his six-session framework, prices based on impact rather than time, manages client capacity across time zones, and why LinkedIn has become his most effective client acquisition channel.

This episode is a must-listen for coaches building structured programs, educators considering a career pivot, and anyone looking to scale a coaching business without burnout.



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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-leaman/
Website: https://www.classroomexitcoach.co.uk/

Transcript

Mike Leaman: 0:00

Tends to be the most of my work with a client is is like a fixed program. So I know clients uh some coaches have like an ongoing, you know, kind of like we'll just keep meeting and that's kind of like can happen pay monthly or kind of pay by session. My program is that I I offer six sessions up front. So I say we're gonna meet six times, about an hour to an hour and a half each session, and there's a fixed price, so it's a kind of one-off cost for the whole package. With the six sessions, we tend to explore kind of common themes. So the first meeting I have with someone tends to be a bit of a like a real in-depth conversation about them, their values, their background, their goals, what frustrates them, what motivates them. I really want to understand what's brought them to this point, where do they want to go in their life, what's holding them back?

Davis Nguyen : 0:50

Welcome to Career Coaching Secrets, the podcast where we talk with successful career coaches on how they built their success and the hard lessons they learned along the way. My name is Davis Wynne, and I'm the founder of Purple Circle, where we help career coaches scale their business to $100,000 years, $100,000 months, and even $100,000 weeks. Before Purple Circle, I've grown several seven and eight figure career coaching businesses myself and have been a consultant at two career coaching businesses that are doing over $100 million each. Whether you're an established coach or building your practice for the first time, you'll discover the secrets to elevating your coaching business.

Pedro: 1:21

Welcome to Career Coaching Secrets Podcast. I'm Pedro, and today's guest is Mike Lehman, founder of Classroom Exit Coach, a former teacher who spent 11 years in the classroom before transitioning into a new career. And now he helps other educators make the same move. He understands the pressures and exhaustion of teaching and build a coaching program that gives teachers a structured path toward roles that better fit their strengths and goals. Today he guides high-performing experts to grow beyond one-off gigs by strengthening their publishing strategy, expanding their speaking platform, and building revenue modules that scale. He brings a blend of dip industry experience and practical, repeatable systems that help thought leaders turn their message into a sustainable business. Welcome to the show, Mike. Hi, thank you so much for having me. Really excited for this. Well, me too. I'm excited to talk with you. We previous to podcast, we were talking about uh how I have a wife that's a teacher, a dad that's a retired teacher. So yeah, this is gonna be a good one. Okay. I always like to go back to the origin story. I'm kind of a sucker for the origin story. So every coach has that moment where they look at their life and say, Hey, you know what? I guess it's what I'm doing now. So when was that for you?

Mike Leaman: 2:42

So I trained as a teacher many years ago. Um, I was a history teacher for the majority of my career. So I I did a history degree at university. I enjoyed that. I always liked history growing up, it was one of my favorite subjects. And when I started teaching, I very quickly realized that I was a very ambitious person. I liked to influence things, not just in my classroom, but I wanted to kind of be a part of the whole school. I wanted to help in lots of different areas, and I really liked working with other people. So I ended up climbing the ladder, so to speak, very quickly and and went on to sort of be a head of department and then to be a kind of senior leader in school. Um and and that was great, and I learned a lot from my time in education. But from I'm sure a lot of people listening to this may know about the problems in the education system, just not just in the UK, but also around the world. I I work with clients all over the world, and there's just so many pressures and stresses and strains on the education system at the moment. And for me, that made me allowed me to kind of re-evaluate what I wanted to do. And particularly when I had a family, so when my daughter was born a few years ago, um, that really put an extra bit of pressure on, and I just couldn't make the job work. Teaching and school leadership is very much a kind of career that demands your full attention, it's very hard to switch off, there's always more to do, it's really overloaded, it's really underfunded. Um, and then trying to balance that with family can be really tricky. And that kind of uh got me to start thinking about what else I could do. I was already doing coaching within the school, I was managing a lot of people, I was working with people, um, and and I really wanted to sort of take that skill and help others to sort of redefine their lives. And and yes, I I mainly work with career, I do career coaching, but because teaching is such a it's kind of like an identity, it gets so wrapped up with your everyday life that you are a teacher, that actually what I tend to do is quite a lot of sort of lifestyle transformation coaching as well. So it's not just about your job, but it's also about how you see yourself and your confidence and your mental health and and all that kind of stuff that goes with it. So that's a little bit of my backstory.

Pedro: 4:52

That's interesting. I like the fact that you're a history teacher, also, right? It's like I'm gonna stop reading about these people, I'm gonna put a plan to action and be part of the book, right? So I'm like that. But be an entrepreneur. That's funny. That's interesting. And when did it shift, you know, from I'm helping people to, you know what, I'm building a real business around this now.

Mike Leaman: 5:10

I I think for me, that was when I when I was a school leader, I knew that I could keep climbing the ladder, I could run my own school, I could do all those things. But I decided that that was just kind of more of the same. It's a different role, but it's the same challenges, the same problems. And I had I thought, well, what else do I, what do I want my life to look like? And I sort of re-evaluated in terms of I want more flexibility. So I want to have the ability to work from home, I want to set my own hours a bit more, I want the ability to kind of take holiday that's not in the school holidays, because you know, as a teacher, you've your holidays you're told when you're off, you're told when you're in. Um I wanted more control, more kind of flexibility. So building my own business was a kind of natural next step for that, because that allowed me to set my hours to work how I want to work, you know, work wherever, um, and and have a much wider impact. So as a school leader, I was really only impacting the people who were in the building and the teachers and the kids and the students who were in the school. But with this business, now the impact is much larger. You're working with people all over the place, speaking to people like yourself. You know, it's great to just be so connected to a wider audience.

Pedro: 6:20

Got it. That's interesting. I mean, and I do have a question after you got rolling, who are the people that kept showing up? Because I know the teaching world, we have all types of teachers, right? We have kindergarten teachers, university teachers. So I that's pretty vast. So I'm not sure if you'll niche down, but how did that work? The ones you realize, okay, but people, these are my this is the type of teacher I'm taking. How do you do that? How did you do that?

Mike Leaman: 6:45

Yeah, it's a it's a good question because if I take the UCON UK context, it's like 400,000 teachers, it'd be, you know, in in larger countries that'll be hundreds and hundreds, if not millions, of teachers. And that's a big audience. So for me, I'd say that the majority of the of the people I work with are kind of like school leaders. So they're not necessarily maybe what we'd call head teachers. In a lot of places, they're called like school administrators. But uh I tend to work with senior leaders who are maybe not so much in the classroom as much, so that they do teach a little bit, but maybe they've taken a bit more of a management role or a leadership role. That would that's probably like 80% of my clients is those people who are doing a bit of leadership, doing a bit of management. So they're already kind of exploring a wider skill set. They're not just teaching children and young people, they're also kind of leading and influencing and kind of making changes to like the structure and the organization. So that's probably where I've sort of niched a little bit is working with those people. But at the beginning, I didn't know that. At the beginning, it was just kind of very broad, and that's kind of how it's evolved over time is working with more of those kind of school leaders. Got it.

Pedro: 7:51

So 80% school leaders. So the question I have is how do how do these school leaders they usually find you marketing-wise?

Mike Leaman: 8:01

I would say that the biggest place where I'm active is LinkedIn. So I think LinkedIn is brilliant for me. Um, particularly because for a long period of time, LinkedIn wasn't really used by school leaders very much. It's kind of like it's very corporate, it's very businessy, but for school leaders, there wasn't really any benefit for being on LinkedIn, other than a bit of light networking, but other than that, there wasn't really a place. Whereas now we find a lot more school leaders, a lot more teachers on LinkedIn, particularly because they're potentially looking at career change. So it's a great place for me because the teachers who are there potentially are there because they're exploring other options. So if they see my content on LinkedIn, that's great. And but from my point of view, are my content mostly written. I like writing content, I like sort of longer sort of style articles. I do videos and kind of images and things like that occasionally, but I think LinkedIn for me is the best platform for like written content. So that's kind of where where I find most most of my clients find me. We are active on things like Instagram and Facebook, but I think LinkedIn is the biggest, biggest place, really. Yeah.

Pedro: 9:02

Yeah, I want to highlight one thing that you mentioned is the long texts. It sounds like that that would resonate with teachers, right? Because they're avid readers usually. So yeah, that makes sense. And okay, so they they people find you on LinkedIn, they resonate with your, you know, your text, your copy, with your work, and eventually they want to know what working with you actually looks like. So every build every everyone builds their coaching business a bit differently, you know. So when someone actually becomes a client, what does that experience look like right now?

Mike Leaman: 9:33

So it tends to be the most of my work with a client is is like a fixed program. So I know clients uh some coaches have like an ongoing, you know, kind of like we'll just keep meeting and that's kind of like can happen pay monthly or kind of pay by session. My program is that I I offer six sessions up front. So I say we're gonna meet six times, about an hour to an hour and a half each session, and there's a fixed price, so it's a kind of one-off cost for the whole package. And with the six sessions, we tend to explore kind of common themes. So the first meeting I have with someone tends to be a bit of a like a real in-depth conversation about them, their values, their background, their goals, what frustrates them, what motivates them. I really want to understand what's brought them to this point, where do they want to go in their life, what's holding them back, so that I can help to tailor the rest of the support to understand kind of where they want to go. So, and from that is I can help them figure out potentially plans and ideas that they might not have thought of because you just don't know what you don't know. And a lot of teachers have been teachers for their entire career. They don't really know necessarily the jobs out there, what else they can do. They're not familiar with how the world of work is changing, all the different opportunities. So getting an understanding of that, of like how long have they been searching for a new job? Um, what have they been doing so far? What's been working? What's what's draining them? That's kind of where we start. Then from there is kind of a mixture of sort of coaching, mentoring, practical support. So we do things like help them with the what we call the CV, but the resume and helping them with things like LinkedIn and and networking and where to find these jobs. So I think we start from a very pure sort of coaching place and then move slightly more to sort of coaching mentoring when I get a bit more of an understanding of where they're at with their career, career journey. And then we do six sessions, and most of the time, those six sessions are enough to really kickstart somebody's career journey, land them a new role, help them land on their feet. So that's kind of the the way we structure our program is sort of six focused sessions like that.

Pedro: 11:45

Okay. I mean, your work seems pretty hands-on. We're talking about six one-on-one sessions, as per my understanding. So, how do you think about capacity? So you don't stretch yourself too thin.

Mike Leaman: 11:56

It's it's a good question. That's probably one of the biggest challenges of the business is is capacity because we we get a lot of people asking for support. We get a lot of people knocking on the door saying, How do I work with you? And that's it's really difficult to try and balance that. One of the things that I I I when I first started the business, it was very UK focused. So that meant that majority of the clients were teachers who were in school during the day. So the only time I could really meet with them is in the evening. When they're finished for the work, they come home, and then I would jump online and meet with them in the evening. So that meant that we only really had like two or three hours of capacity each day. So I could really only do like two clients a day. Now we've kind of changed the business slightly, so it's a lot more international. So, yes, we've got loads of UK clients still, but like this morning I was working with someone in Australia, I've got clients in in the United States, I've got a client who I was working with in Kenya, clients in Malaysia. You know, so we've got so one of the biggest advantages is like the time zones. So I can, you know, get people in the day that are international, and then in the evening I can work with more of those UK clients. So that's probably one of the biggest things about capacity. I guess the second part to that question is also just upping our prices. It was a big decision we made about six months ago, is we were getting loads of clients in at a lower price point, and what we decided to do was to increase that price point, and that meant fewer clients, but the same amount of revenue. So it just meant we were losing a few clients but exactly the same profit, and it just meant more capacity. So that's kind of two different ways of approaching that, I suppose. Yeah.

Pedro: 13:31

Yeah. Yeah, I told my wife the same. She was like filling up capacity, it's time to increase your prices, honey. But it's always that leap of faith, right? You're questioning yourself, will they take it? Am I worth it? So yeah. That bridges me to my uh following up question, which is you know, every coach they wrestle with at some point at price is pricing and how to package their work. And you did that. So how do you think about it today? And were there any lessons along the way that shaped how you landed there?

Mike Leaman: 13:59

Yeah, it was a difficult thing to increase the price because it I I was really worried that, you know, if you increase it, what if they stop coming? What if you have to lower it again? It looks bad from a business point of view, like we put our prices up and we put them down again. What I decided to do was I put like a, you know, like an old school, like almost like a thermometer on my I've got a whiteboard in front of me. And I and I it had like 10 slots on it. And I said to myself, when I book 10 more clients on this, like the price point I was working on, I'm gonna increase it. Like, you know, that's the decision, 10 more on the lower, and then as soon as that's done, we're gonna go up. So it had like a very fixed, because otherwise in my head, I was just gonna keep delaying it. I was just gonna go, oh, we'll do it next month, we'll do it, you know, next quarter, next year. So I kind of gave myself a sort of fixed deadline. I think the you know the thing, the biggest thing I learned from that is it's not it doesn't matter, like your price point is your price point, it's what you're selling for that price point. You're not selling time. For me, it's like selling impact. And by that point, I knew that we had huge impact because I was able to sort of put client testimonials like reviews, I was able to say what we were doing, I was able to share stories from other people, you know, this is what they've achieved, this is what this person's done. So that yes, it was a higher price, but clients knew what they were getting for that price. It wasn't, I think originally I was kind of selling time. In my head, I was like, oh well, it's this many hours, and then I'll divide that by the price, and I'm trying to earn about this much to make it sort of sustainable for me. And then it became a lot more about no, this is what that time's worth to that person. I'm not sort of doing it by the hour. I'm doing it by the, you know, here's you invest in me and you invest in the support, here's what you get out of it. So it's it was a big like mindset shift, I think, but that takes a lot of courage and it's never gonna be a right time. So you've kind of got to force yourself to there's always a risk, but if you don't take the risk, then you're gonna be stuck, your business will be stuck where it is, which is you know, you haven't got enough capacity, you're not earning enough to sort of make the lifestyle that you want. So for me, it was about sort of taking that leap and it and it paid off, you know. And now we're thinking about potential price increases for next year as well. So, you know, we wouldn't be there unless I had made that decision. Okay.

Pedro: 16:06

Yeah, it's about reading the room, right? And understanding the referrals, the close rate, you know, it's sort of a mix, but that's a solid look into how you approach price instructor, especially the fact that you kind of stop measuring by the clock, right? Because if you tie up your services to a clock, sometimes it gets tricky, right? Because it's like they got 59 minutes and not a full hour, so they didn't got the impact or the outcomes, and that doesn't make any sense, right? Because they're actually paying for the outcome and not exactly tying up with the clock, so that makes sense. Okay, now I'm curious about where you're taking all this, Mike. You know, looking ahead, where do you see the business going? Are you thinking about scaling, hiring, or is there a next step you're excited about?

Mike Leaman: 16:53

Yeah, I'm really excited. We've got a really strong foundation now. We've got sort of regular clients coming in, sales calls every other day, you know. Great. Like I'm really pleased. I'm so happy where the business is now. It's like it's amazing. I I think there's kind of a couple of different directions. It's potentially hiring someone new, so there's uh bringing someone else to bring more capacity. Now that's always a a bit of a risk, but that I would love to kind of go down that route. One of the things I think, you know, with that, one of the challenges with that is once you've once you've built like a personal brand, which is all about you and your story, that can be really difficult then to sort of bring someone new in because it's like under your name. And it's so I've tried to sort of bolster or kind of big up the brand more than me a little bit. So we've been trying to grow like the name Classroom Exit Coach, whereas at the start, I think it was like growing my name. So it's it's it's sort of trying to get the groundwork in for that as well. And and I think um that's one direction. And then the other direction that would be really nice to see more of is is helping people in other industries. So, you know, teaching's been great, and there's a lot of people who are leaving teaching and and helping them to find something new has been amazing. But then there are also other markets like, for example, UK specific, but like uh like the health service we've got, which is like another public sector, you know, huge employer, hundreds of thousands of people work and for the National Health Service, and there's a lot of people leaving there as well, and and potentially kind of having people who are under our umbrella like exit coach, but working in slightly different industries, which might help to kind of create a bit more of a like a differentiation between the brands. So it's like Mike's the teacher, you know, and other people are doing other things. So that's kind of in the back of our mind as well, is like ideas to grow. Yeah, but we're excited about those different directions. Yeah.

Pedro: 18:39

Yeah, that part that you mentioned about having your name in the business, it's like, hey, they're calling. I want to talk to Mike, right? And you're at capacity trying to get things off your plate, and you have that name so tied out, tied to your business. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Um, and of course, when whenever we're aiming toward the next chapter, there's always something we're refining, you know, in the present. So what are you currently trying to improve or tighten up in your business right now?

Mike Leaman: 19:05

Yeah, I think the biggest thing for me is potentially trying to reach a new audience on like Facebook and particularly Instagram. I've been trying to play around with more like I think Instagram's a fascinating sort of algorithm. Like it's a really difficult place to get noticed, like you have to spend a lot of time on your content. LinkedIn's great because it's just kind of writing, and if you're a teacher, like that comes naturally to you. You can just kind of write really nice stories and get a good hook and have like a really good narrative. Instagram, like you have to have the good story, but like you have to have the visuals, you have to be really, you know, it's got to be well spoken, it's got to be well like edited, and then you've got to break through all the noise and it's gotta be short and sharp, and you know. So that's something that like I'd love to do more on, which is like grow that audience, get slightly different teachers, because like we know there are you know, there's there's gonna be some teachers on some platforms and other teachers on other platforms, and it's be nice to try and reach more people. So that's like a big thing I'm trying to refine at the moment. I think another thing is getting The connection calls the conversion rate down as well. I think a lot of coaches may struggle with this, which is you get lots of interest, but how many are converting into clients? Or they're really interested, but they're kind of always saying, Oh, I'll think about it, or I'm, you know, I'll come back to you in a few months. Some do, some don't, and it's trying to sort of streamline that a little bit so that the people you're speaking to are basically like 90% there, and just meeting you and having a conversation is like just saying, Yeah, which is absolutely what we're we're getting really good at that. So I had a client last week who was exactly that connection call was just uh basically how do I sign up? You know, what you know, that sort of thing. Whereas at the start, you get a lot of people who are, you know, they just want you know free support or a bit of like a bit of a chat, and it's it can be really draining if your diary is just like back-to-back like conversations without any money coming in, and you know, it's it can be stressful because you feel like you're putting your time you're putting loads of time in and you're meeting your clients, but you're not not you're not actually earning anything. So I I guess those are the two things I'm trying to work on at the moment. Yeah.

Pedro: 21:04

And it makes perfect sense. And like I said, I talking with my wife, she was like, Oh, I didn't knew when you I would have to know how to sell, you know, and it didn't realize that because it was so natural. She had clients coming in and all of that. So yeah, that makes perfect sense. So I want to switch gears for a second and do something a bit more fun. None of this was not fun, just a bit different. Okay, if you're down for it, I got a quick game for you. Yeah, go on. Okay. We'll look at this through the lens of business investments, okay? Things like coaching, training, marketing, team, masterminds, you name it. So it's simple. Okay. I'll give you four prompts and I'll tell and you tell me the first thing that comes to mind. If there's a story behind it, even better. Okay. What's the first business investment you remember making?

Mike Leaman: 21:48

Probably, probably business coaching myself. So get getting somebody to help me set up the business and believe in the business. So I worked with an incredible uh coach called Jess Adams in the UK. She was amazing, really, really likes her energy. Um, and she was a great business coach, but she also believed very much that like business should sort of flow around your life and you make the life that you want, and then the business kind of should allow you to like create the life you want rather than like trying to create this dream business but being really unhappy. It's like aim for happiness and like the business should support that. That was a great investment. We wouldn't be here today without her support.

Pedro: 22:26

Yeah, I like that you practice what you preach, right? So I love that. Okay.

Mike Leaman: 22:32

The most recent one you made. Most recent investment. So I recently joined a fantastic online community. It's called The Holt. It's run by a fantastic lady called Leah Turner, who's really big on LinkedIn. She's got like 200,000 followers. She's got a great community for like entrepreneurs um and and business owners. I worked with her about a year ago on LinkedIn training, and she was amazing. And I've just joined up to her community. And and it's like a monthly subscription, but it's brilliant, and uh it's a great investment for meeting people and just like talking to other business owners about their frustrations or sort of sharing. So yeah, that's been great.

Pedro: 23:07

Okay. Um what's the one investment you wish you could get your money back on?

Mike Leaman: 23:13

Ooh, that's a tri that's a tricky one. I can't think of something where we've spent money. Maybe some at the beginning, I think, I I guess I thought IT equipment was more important than it was. So, you know, you could you can end up spending lots of money on the nicest camera, a really good microphone, get a new screen, have two different screens on the go, you know, all this fancy office equipment. But you know, that's all just it's not about that. You could have all the amazing equipment and nobody's watching you, nobody's listening to you, nobody's engaging. Or, like a lot of coaches, you can just pick up your phone, start talking into it, and put it on, put it out there, put it on Instagram, just just whatever you want to do. What use the technology you've got and just you know, it's more about you, it's not about the tech you've got. The tech should come in time. You know, you can invest in all that stuff later. You don't need to do that at the beginning. Whereas I think when I first started, I had to buy like because I didn't have any technology, uh because it was all from like when I was working in school, buy a new laptop, buy all this, buy all that, and uh you just don't need to buy top of the range stuff to get your business going. You are the business, it's not about the technology. Okay, that's nice.

Pedro: 24:21

Okay. What's the best financial business investment you have made and why?

Mike Leaman: 24:26

Best financial business investment. I think potentially coming back to so th there's two things to that. It's probably coming back to my original answers. So working with a business coach, absolutely brilliant, because I think the first question that we asked her was basically, you know, do you think this will work? And she was that she just immediately flipped that back and said, Well, do you think it will work? And and that was a really great conversation, confidence building, like reassurance. And then I think the second point of that links to the to working with Leah Turner, where I did a um one-to-one with Leah Turner on on LinkedIn training, and I drove across the UK to drove about three hours, which I know for you know other audiences, driving three hours is nothing if you live in the United States. But driving three hours in England will take you halfway across the country. So I I drove to see her to spend three hours. From memory, that cost was a big investment. It cost two and a half thousand pounds, so it's a lot of money. You know, that for American listeners, that's like four thousand dollars or something for three hours with someone. But that was an amazing investment because she was great at unpicking the business. Where are you trying to go? What are you trying to do with your content? What's your audience? Who are you trying to speak to? What are their kind of pain points? Like, what are they gonna want to read? How do you connect in with what they're thinking? So that was just great in terms of helping with that sort of social media strategy. And as I said, most of my listeners are from LinkedIn now, so or most of my um clients are from LinkedIn. So I like I think that was fundamental to the business. Um, and my like follow account on LinkedIn is like tripled since I spoke to her, so worked with her. So yeah, probably that. Yeah. Cool, I love that.

Pedro: 26:05

And if someone listening wants to connect with you or follow your work, where can people find you and connect with you, Mike?

Mike Leaman: 26:11

So just search my name, it's Mike Lehman on uh LinkedIn or reach out to us on the website. So the website's simply www.classroomexitcoach.co.uk. That's probably the best place. Always happy to connect with people and have a chat. So, you know, reach out and um do send a message if you're you're interested in talking to each other.

Pedro: 26:31

You know, Mike, there were a few things you shared today that really stuck with me, you know. The first one being you're a past history teacher, you know, and I love that. The fact that then I got more ambitious, you know, hearing reading about all those guys and how they changed the world. And now you're impacting more people, and it's about stepping up, you know, you're you're into an entrepreneur path. And I love that. I mean, I'm a really sucker for history. I really like it, you know. So I'm a big fan of that concept you've created and that you're going through. So also, you know, not being a perfectionist with IT equipment because we see that mistake a lot, you know. Even myself, I've did some in my own business, I did that a a while, you know, and it's not about it, it's not about the latest equipment because we compare ourselves to, I don't know, a guy that's got I don't know, five million YouTubers or whatever subscribers, and we're like, wow, that guy really looks good, the video looks awesome. And it's more about the content and getting the message delivered, right? So that's that's really impactful and not something we see people talking about so often. And I have to highlight the fact that you practice what you preach, right? So the first investment is a business coach, and the best investment is a business coach. So I think that's very interesting. Shed light to something very important because not it's not the case we see coaches with that sort of mentality, despite the fact they're coaches, right? So I I love to highlight that and I appreciate what you do. I appreciate you being here today and sharing so openly. It was great having you, Mike.

Mike Leaman: 28:07

Yeah, thanks so much for having me. It's been a lovely conversation. I really appreciate it. So yeah, thank you.

Davis Nguyen : 28:12

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