Why Women Struggle With Money (And How to Fix It) | Therese Nicklas

In this inspiring episode of Career Coaching Secrets, Pedro sits down with Therese Nicklas, a certified financial planner who is redefining how women approach money, purpose, and financial freedom.

Therese shares how her journey evolved from traditional financial planning into a powerful coaching model that goes beyond spreadsheets — helping women gain clarity, confidence, and control over their financial future. She reveals why most people “shrink their dreams to fit their doubts” and how aligning your finances with your life goals can unlock true freedom.

 If you’ve ever felt uncertain about money, life decisions, or your future — this episode will shift your perspective.


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Transcript

Therese Nicklas 0:00

And that's my mission is I want to empower women so they have a sense of clarity around their finances and feel a sense of financial freedom because they have that clarity, if that makes any sense. I've always had a really good sense of money. I got that from my grandmother, my father's mother. She was she could have been a a CFO somewhere, and she had absolutely no education, but she just had this gift and she shared that gift with me. And I realized how powerful that was for me to have that gift.

Davis Nguyen 0:31

Welcome to Career Coaching Secrets, the podcast where we talk with successful career coaches on how they built their success and the hard lessons they learned along the way. My name is Davis Wynne, and I'm the founder of Purple Circle, where we help career coaches scale their business to $100,000 years, $100,000 months, and even $100,000 weeks. Before Purple Circle, I've grown several seven and eight figure career coaching businesses myself and have been a consultant at two career coaching businesses that are doing over $100 million each. Whether you're an established coach or building your practice for the first time, you'll discover the secrets to elevating your coaching business.

Pedro 1:03

Welcome to Career Coaching Secrets Podcast. I'm Pedro and today I'm joined by Therese Nicholas, a certified financial planner who discovered that truly serving successful women meant completely reimagining how financial planning should work. What sets Therese apart is her recognition that most advisors build financial plans in isolation without helping clients clarify their vision for what they actually want to experience when their hard-earned career is over. Therese starts every engagement with live planning because she understands that when you're truly clear on what you want your life to look like, something fundamental shifts. Her approach transforms what could be just another spreadsheet into a blueprint for the big, bold, abundant life that busy professionals are often too overwhelmed to imagine. Ensuring financial security becomes the foundation for a life of real meaning. Welcome to the show, Therese.

Therese Nicklas 2:12

Thank you so much, Pedro. That was quite an introduction.

Pedro 2:15

Well, Therese, we have you to blame, right? That's all your fault. You know? And I'm I'm excited that you're here, okay? Thank you. From the day we met. And before we get into what you do now, I always like to go back to the origin story, right? So I'm curious how this all actually started. So what was going on in your life when coaching became more than just an idea?

Therese Nicklas 2:37

Well, you when I was thinking about this, Pedro, coaching was kind of new. Like I I'd meet people and they'd refer to themselves as a coach. And I honestly didn't know what that meant. But I was doing financial planning, and the way that I was approaching it was a coaching model, and I didn't even realize it. Because one thing that made me absolutely lose my mind was when I started in the business, people were referring to themselves as a financial planner. And the industry that started the financial planning piece was the insurance industry. So they created this financial planning process as a way of selling insurance. And I always felt like that was disingenuous because you had this great tool where you could help people really understand their financial well-being and where they are, like where they are today, where they want to be tomorrow, and we should be that bridge. And they were missing that because all they wanted to bridge from was do you have life insurance or don't you? And that was a definite disconnect for me. So that's why I took it upon myself to take the financial planning process that I was taught, but enhance it by bringing in the life coaching so that you have a real deep understanding of where you are right now, where it is you want to be, and how do your finances or your financial well-being, how does that connect? What so in other words, if you decided you wanted to say you were thinking of scaling back Pedro, maybe you wanted to work three days a week, and that would mean reducing your income. Well, how is that going to impact the things that you really want to do in life? You might be perfectly fine to do that, but unless you understand how that impacts you, you're going to have this doubt of, gee, can I really afford to do this? And when you have that doubt, you tend to shrink your dreams to fit your doubts. I feel it's really important for a person to have a complete understanding so they know what they can do or maybe what they can't do, and then how do you fill in that gap if you choose to?

Pedro 4:44

Shrink your dreams to fit your doubts. I love that quote. I'm gonna steal from you. Okay, Therese, if you don't mind. No. Very interesting. Very interesting. Especially the part that you mentioned, you know, hey, I was kind of doing coaching, but I wasn't aware of it. I really like that because in a way you were already peeling off the onion, right? You're trying to understand the reason behind what people are were what were the reason they're doing X, Y, and Z. Why were they planning for to do that, do that or not do that, right? Right.

Therese Nicklas 5:14

Uh, most importantly, like why aren't they doing the X, Y, and Z that they're talking about?

Pedro 5:20

Okay. Now, I want to understand one thing because previously, uh, before the podcast, we were talking about your experience, right? 25 years in the game, 10, considering the coaching bit specifically. So I want to understand at what point the and yours is a little bit different because I I tend to ask when did it shift for the coach to start their own business? Yours is different. It's like when did it shift for you that you realized, I guess 10 years ago, that you actually were a coach and it you grabbed the coaching hat and just put it on, you know? How would that look like for you?

Therese Nicklas 5:54

That's a great question, Pedro. It was something that kind of evolved over time. So it's hard for me to find that line in the sand. But I think when I think back and I think of my my early clients, what was happening for me was I was meeting a lot of women who would come to me and they would have challenges around money. And I'm not talking about necessarily challenges like paying their bills or, you know, building a savings account. The challenges were a little different. They were more like I I would really like to I'd like to get a divorce. That was a big one. I'd like to get a divorce, but I don't know if I can afford to. How will I be able to stand on my own two feet because it will just be me instead of having a spouse, you know, combined income or maybe they were the breadwinner. And that was a trigger for me because very early when I was a child, I had an aunt who went through a divorce, and this was when people didn't get divorced, like back in the early six. As I would meet these women, it would like fire off these triggers of this memory that I must have suppressed. And when I remember back to when she had announced that she was getting a divorce and the way that my grandmother responded, who was a new widow, so she was coming from a different perspective, and the way one of her sisters responded, and I thought, this poor woman is like going through this big, big deal, and she's learning the hard way that she really doesn't have a support system. So when I would meet women that would come to me with that question, even though my aunt had been deceased for a while, that visual would come forward. And that's when I learned I can't just give them a spreadsheet with numbers on it. Their problem goes much deeper. And that's how I evolved my financial planning process into more of a combination of wealth coaching or money coaching and life coaching so that they could see the connection.

Pedro 7:46

Okay. And it sounds like we already established your ideal client profile, right? We're talking about women and wealth advisement and all that. Now, how how did that play out? Why them? Why do you feel that you ended up attracting that type of person or why do you feel like that was your main avatar?

Therese Nicklas 8:07

Well, because I identified early on when I started in this industry that women were completely ignored. If you think back to advertising, you would see a man in a blue suit and a white shirt talking to another man in a blue shirt, blue suit and a white shirt. And if there was a woman in the picture, she was in the background. Even though women are usually the ones doing the shopping, so they probably have a better understanding of the family finances than the men in Mets in a lot of cases. But as far as every excuse me, the nuts and bolts of the information that they needed, they were in the background. And I said, no, not on my watch. And that's why I decided to focus on helping women so that they had a real sense of clarity around their finances because I found that when they did it was empowering for them. And that's my mission, is I want to empower women so they have a sense of clarity around their finances and feel a sense of financial freedom because they have that clarity, if that makes any sense. I've always had a really good sense of money. I got that from my grandmother, my father's mother. She was she could have been a CFO somewhere, and she had absolutely no education, but she just had this gift, and she shared that gift with me. And I realized how powerful that was for me to have that gift. I saw it, as I mentioned in my aunt and many women that have come to me since then that have been my aunt look alike. And I noticed very early on this is a serious problem, and I wanted to address it. And that's why I focus on. I mean, I'm one person, I can only help so many people. So I wanted to really focus on the people that I felt not only needed me the most, but the people that I felt I got the most fulfillment in just that sense of purpose from helping place. They come through many different avenues or many different channels, Pedro. One of them is my website that they tend to find me on my website. Another is other professionals. So people that are talking to my audience, that could be the divorce attorney or the divorce coach. Um if they're part of a widow's group, they suddenly, you know, now they're they don't have their spouse's income, the spouse is gone, and maybe the the spouse always handled the money, so now they have to figure it out. Um, those are some ways that people will find me. And I also love to do public speaking, like being on podcasts. I do workshops throughout the community. I have three lined up right now from April, May, and June. So those are different ways that people will find me. I'm in a lot of networking groups, do a lot of social media, all of those types of things, just to try to get my voice out there.

Pedro 10:51

Okay. Now, let's pretend I'm your ICP, right? I checked your website, I listened to one of your podcasts or even one of your speaking gigs. I went to an event, you know? And I'm like, hey, Therese looks like she she's pretty cool. I like what she's talking about. And we we go into a sales call or whatever that sales process looks like. Okay. Well, the first question I have for you, Theres, is, and this might pop up on your sales calls, is like, what's the difference of your service compared to a financial advisor or a financial planner, right? Because sometimes they're trying people are trying to understand what it what working with you looks like and what's the difference between that. Can you walk me through that?

Therese Nicklas 11:32

Sure, Pedro. That is a great question. So financial planners are financial advisors. Now, let me back up just a second. Somebody can be a financial advisor and not be a financial planner. Somebody can be a financial planner and not be a certified financial planner. They're very distinct differences. Okay. So I am a certified financial planner. That means I had to go through um a process. I had to go through an education process, I had to take courses, I had to take exams, and I have to maintain that. So I have to maintain a certain level of education, get you know, continuing education credits every single year. So that's certified financial planner. And again, not everybody that calls themselves these things is is that. What makes me very different from my colleagues, and I'm not putting anybody down, but my colleagues will tend to look at the numbers, they'll look at the spreadsheets, they'll help you figure out how long your money's going to last, but they won't take the deep dive into what really gives you a sense of purpose and meaning. Okay? If I'm working with a business owner, which I do work with a lot of women that are business owners, they could work with a business coach, and that business coach will help them with the bottom line, maybe enhancing the bottom line, helping showing them how to scale, but they're not going to show them how to create a business that's going to be in alignment with their personal values. So I take what a lot of other professionals do when I level it up by incorporating the life coaching as well as money mindset coaching so that they have a much more complete picture of where they are right now, where they want to be tomorrow, and then I provide that bridge to help them get there.

Pedro 13:16

Let's pretend we hop on that sales call. There's alignment, okay? I I really liked working with you, and we ended up closing or whatever that looks like. And I understand you have you may have different offers, different programs, but considering the main one, let's talk about the main one, okay? Walk me through the perspective of a client, okay? We I'm I'm being boarded. What working with you looks like and the potential outcomes I'm expecting as a client.

Therese Nicklas 13:41

Okay. So the most popular program that I offer to an individual who is not a business owner, who might be just, you know, successful executive woman. Or she could be like a sales professional, like a realtor, for example. They don't technically own their own business, but they kind of own their own destiny. So I will work with them, they may say I want to work with you in your 90-day program. So we start off with the life coaching type questions. So I will ask him something like, um, if you've um this is generally the last question that I asked, but I'll give you this example. If you found out that you had a year or less to live, how would you want to spend that year? And when I asked that question, I have never once had anybody say to me, I want to spend more time in the office. It's a clarifying question because when you think about that, none of us know what tomorrow is going to bring. And I don't want to sound morbid about it, but that's reality. I mean, I've had two people in less than 12 months just literally drop dead in my family. Totally unexpected. And I've this is just in the last 12 months. And I think if you talk to anybody, they can cite examples of when their life changed on a dime. So my follow-up question when somebody says to me, I'd I'd be doing A, B, and C. I'd be traveling more, I'd spend more time with my my family, I'd spend more time with my grandchildren, maybe I'd start a foundation. It could be any number of things. So my next question is, why aren't you doing that today? And they usually come back with something like, I don't know how. That's where I come in. Let's get a system in place. Let's peel back the layers and figure out how you can do what you said you would do if you only had one life to one year to live. Let's figure out how we can get you to do that today. If you do that today, Pedro, what's going to change for you, do you think? Do you think you'll feel more fulfilled? Will you feel happier? Will you feel more in alignment with your own personal values? If the answer is yes, what are we waiting for? Can you put a price tag on that? You can't. We can't put a price tag on the quality of our life. We can put a price tag on the shirt we're wearing, on the vacation we're taking, but we cannot put a price tag on the quality of our life. And so often so many of us think we always have tomorrow. And maybe we have tomorrow, but maybe we don't have tomorrow in a way where we're healthy or able to do the things we want to do. So what are we waiting for?

Pedro 15:59

That is a very interesting perspective. Well, first of all, sorry to hear about your family loss, right? And at the same time, it put things into perspective. Like I had a guest on the show. He was in Israel, and uh the pre-conversation we had, a 15-minute talk with you, uh, he was in a safe shelter, you know, because they're being bombarded. So it it it really we we really don't know anything about the future, to be candid. And I think that it's very interesting. Like I'm talking to a f uh to you and we're talking about money, and usually we're talking about future, right? When we we have that topic, it's like, oh, what will look like 20 years from now? And you're the one who's bringing you brought up the exact thing that is, hey, yes, future, but hey, take a look at right now, right? That's not just future tell things, but understand where we're at right now and where we want to go. But consider that in a year from now, would you would you like to spend more time in the office? So I can see the piece of the life coach showing up. So I really think that's very interesting. So I appreciate you sharing that, you know. And one thing that I love to understand, and I see a lot of coaches doing that, and that's one of the reasons I asked, okay? Because your work seems pretty involved, right? We're talking about to some extent uh a custom experience. So exactly. How do you think, Therese, about managing your time and energy so the business doesn't start owning you, for example?

Therese Nicklas 17:26

You mean me personally or or a client?

Pedro 17:28

I would say capacity, right? And I'll I'll give you my personal example. I love I'm a coach, I love the work, and sometimes I have so much fun doing it. But at the same time, I'm the markerer, marketer, I'm uh the business planner, I'm doing the the the coach myself. I also have a full-time job as a podcast host. So I need to be very intentional about where I spent my time. So this is the reason I ask. How do how do you manage capacity at the end of the day?

Therese Nicklas 17:54

Well, that's a great question, Peter. I think you look at the things that you're doing that only you can do. And then anything that can be delegated, anything that's delegatable should be delegated. So then the next piece of that is who do I find? This has always been my personal challenge. Is how do I find that right person that I can trust to delegate to? And I usually do that through referrals. Like I talk to other people who say, you know, who are you working with? Who's your virtual assistant or whatever it might be? And then I step back a little bit because I'm a perfectionist and I'm a type A personality when I do something, I want it to be 150%. Would I can I accept a B? Like if I hired, say, let's say I hired you to be my virtual assistant and I gave you a list of tasks and you did those tasks, and I'd say you gave, you know, you did them at a level of like a B grade where I was an A grade, but is that B good enough? Does it get the job done? Does it always have to be an A? And then because you're taking those tasks off my plate and I'm able to do something else, does that elevate the coaching experience for my client? Because I'm not my wheels aren't moving over here thinking about, oh, I've got to send out this email or I gotta do something else. So the you have to kind of weigh the whole picture out. Or does it give me another hour in my day that I can spend with my grandchildren? And what does that do for the quality of my life?

Pedro 19:25

It's a journey also, right? I I can feel it like it's part of it is letting go sometimes. It's like an employee is not gonna do sometimes the same exact uh high level uh delivery you're supposed to, but that doesn't mean he cannot, she or he cannot add something different to the plate. Sometimes they do, right? Right?

Therese Nicklas 19:46

Sometimes they come in with a fresh perspective that we don't see because we do have blinders on.

Pedro 19:51

Yes, but also it's accepting that sometimes that good enough is good enough, you know, and not being perfectionist about it. I feel like that's a very important journey in the I would say all business owners, right? Because they're they have the mindset sometimes, oh, they're not gonna love the company as much as I do. Yeah, obviously. It's not it's not theirs, right?

Therese Nicklas 20:10

Well, I can give you an example if you'd like. A woman that I I work with, she is a type A, and she's the first one. I'm not speaking out of turn here, she's the first one to tell you that. But where she's very challenged is she's constantly comparing herself, her work ethic, her output of work to an employee, and she frustrates the hell out of herself because of that. And this is the work that I've been trying to do with her, is and I should say, what is it that they're doing? And if you were to give them a grade, A, B, C, D, R, F, A, Bing the best, you're you're the A, what would you give them? And she'd say, They're a B minus. Okay, how do we get them to a B? What do they need to do differently to get them to a B? And she'd come back with something like, Well, they have a poor attitude. Well, why do they have the poor attitude? What can we do to help them improve their attitude? Do you think part of it, like and I do an exercise with them, it's almost like I get them looking in a mirror as though they're talking to that person and trying to be put themselves in that person's shoes? Do they have all the tools that they need to be a bee? Have you taught them how to do X, Y, Z so they can be a B? Or are you just assuming they should know because you know? And ninety times out of a hundred, Pedro, she said, I'm assuming they know because I know. So my comeback to her is when you fill out their paycheck, when you do payroll and you pay them, is the person you're paying clairvoyant or Jane Doe? And she usually laughs because they're not clairvoyant. They can't read your mind. We have to communicate. That I believe in my experience of working with business owners, working with a lot of people, communication is the number one. Flaw. Number one, because we have conversations in our head that we think we're having with another person. And if we don't communicate to that person what we need, what we want, and how to get there, we cannot expect them to read our mind. And I think that's an unfair expectation that we as business owners tend to have because we're so type A. That's why we're entrepreneurs. We're not entrepreneurs because we settle for status quo. We put superhero cape on every day and we want to change the world, one client at a time, right? So we cannot expect other people to read our mind. If we do, we're setting them up for failure, we're setting ourselves up for failure. And then what happens? We say, I might as well do it myself. And if we're always, I might as well do it myself in, we're giving up that free time that we could be doing, either coming up with a better idea, taking some time off, having more balance in our life. I call it alignment because there really is no such thing as balance, by the way. Spending time with people we love, just improving the quality of our life. Because at the end of the day, when you're drawing your last breath, you're not going to look back and say, I wish I spent more time in the office.

Pedro 23:13

Yeah, two things. Well, first of all, uh first of all, I think it's like an unfair comparison, right? Comparing like your season, you're in the role. And I love the way you framed it. It's not comparing to you, it's compared to like, for example, B minus to a B, you know? So it's a different framework. It's not like comparing them to you because that will never work out, right? This is not never gonna happen. Um and another thing that you mentioned, I think it's very interesting. It's like the communication being the the key mover for, you know, costing effective failure, you know, everything that's bad coming out of it. And I had a business owner I I remember I met, then he he threw out the word assumption. Uh we don't assume things here. Assumption is not gonna happen. Because if you assume something, it means you didn't ask. And you had to clarify before, or this is just gonna cost us money, right? Because you assumed you Joe was gonna do X, Y, and Z. He didn't, but why did you assume in the first place? Right? So, yeah, that that is very interesting. Now, I want to shift gears for a second, Therese, again. Now, because I want to talk about future. So, what's the direction you're aiming this business towards? You know, are you thinking more about growth, leverage, building a team, or refining what already works? You know, what feels most exciting for you right now, Theres?

Therese Nicklas 24:32

The thing that feels most exciting for me, Pedro, is building my business with more high-quality clients. I am on a mission to help as many people as I can while I can draw breath and still have my marbles. I really want to empower as many women as possible to feel that sense of financial clarity and financial freedom. I really believe that financial freedom is the best freedom. When you feel confident that you can do the things that you really want to do that are in your heart and mind to do, there's nothing stopping you.

Pedro 25:05

So what's the main thing you're actively working on or trying to improve in the business right now?

Therese Nicklas 25:11

There are a lot of things, a lot of aspects of the business that I thoroughly love, and I find them energizing, which may seem weird because I know they are time consuming, but I find them energizing. I am energized when I'm working with a woman and I'm helping her and I'm seeing her progress that energizes me. The thing that drains me is if I'm working with somebody and I feel like I can't move them along. There's something stuck. I tend to pick up on that stuck energy. But when we finally find that aha moment and we can move it, it's like I just, you know, I'm 10 years younger.

Pedro 25:46

What's something you hear repeated a lot that you think uh people misunderstand over or overvalue?

Therese Nicklas 25:52

That's wow, that's a really deep question. Because that could go in so many different ways. I think there's one piece of advice that people tend to give, and I suspect sometimes they give it for an ulterior motive. And I'm just uh saying that and I'll explain. They tend to say, well, you have to invest in your business. And I do believe investment is necessary, but sometimes they don't clarify what that investment means. So I invest in my business every single day because I'm always learning something new. I love to learn new things, and I think that having that open mind and knowing that you don't know everything is a big investment. I don't think you necessarily have to be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars because if you do, that's you know, that's great if you do, but know where that money is going and have an idea of the return on that investment. What is it that you expect as a return on that investment? So even if you're investing time into learning something, what is the ROI that you expect? I think that's the best. I wish I knew this early on that when I invested, I should have an expectation of the ROI. I think that's probably the best advice I can give someone. Does that I don't know if that made any sense?

Pedro 27:06

It made sense. It's like it's not just about following following a trend or a rule of oh, you have to invest in your business. It's like giving a step back, trying to understand what exactly are we trying to achieve here. And also it it it kind of is aligned with your own practice, right? It's like, oh, it's not about just saving money or planning or whatever. It's like try to understand where you want to go first, right?

Therese Nicklas 27:26

Right, right. Okay. Have a path. So path. Have a path, have a clear path, have clarity. Don't and don't just follow every trend because you're you and you don't be afraid to bring your unique perspective to the work that you're doing. You don't have to follow what Joe Schmo before you did or Jane Schmo before you did. Really try to how do I say this? Find a problem that is unique and that you have a unique way of solving it. I'm gonna use Steve Jobs as an example. He created a problem before the problem showed up by making the iPhone. We didn't know we needed to have a computer in our pocket until he came up with it and said, Now you can't live without it. So think about something that makes you unique, makes your problem unique, and have a unique way of solving it. You'll always have business if you do that.

Pedro 28:19

Okay. And on the flip side, Therese, what's something boring or not as hyped that you wish more people actually paid attention to?

Therese Nicklas 28:27

I wish people more people paid attention to how important it is to understand your cash flow. I think a lot of times people find that boring or um I guess boring would be the right word. It is the foundation. If you don't understand your cash flow and your cash flow needs, you are setting yourself up for a whole world of hurt.

Pedro 28:47

Yeah. I love that. I love that reminder, especially for coaches out there, you know, specifically. Because they sometimes tend to forget they're they're the business owner of their own business, not just a coach doing practice, right? Right. It's a different hat, the business development, the CEO, different hat. Now, before we close this out, Therese, if someone resonated with what you shared and wants to follow your work, you know, where are they where should they go?

Therese Nicklas 29:11

The best place is my website, which is wealthcoach for women, F-O-R-W-O-N-E-N dot com. I am very active on LinkedIn. So just look, you know, you can just look for my name on LinkedIn and you will find me. I think those are two of the best places to find me. I do have a presence on Instagram and st and Facebook, not as heavy as I do on LinkedIn. LinkedIn is really where you'll find me the most.

Pedro 29:36

Okay. Therese, there were uh few moments from this chat that really stood out to me. Okay.

Therese Nicklas 29:41

Okay.

Pedro 29:42

I would say when we were talking about the origin story, and you're like, yeah, I was coaching and not even aware of it. I love that because that shows how much natural curiosity about peeling off the real intention behind whatever you want to do, you know, financial planning or whatever, whatever whatever gonna look like. It's just showed up in your own practice without you even realizing it. And you're like, this is so cool because you're just natural curious, right? Naturally curious. I think that that shows that you're not like you didn't look for a tool. It was like the tool found you. The way of doing things was just part of who you are, if that makes any sense, right?

Therese Nicklas 30:20

No, it does. It doesn't like back to what you know the question that you were asking about things that are boring or things that make you different. I didn't realize I was doing coaching because nobody talked about coach. If you thought of a coach, you thought of a football coach. You didn't think of like a money mindset coach or a life coach. I mean, those terms were not used. And when you thought of financial planning, a financial planner was trying to find a way to sell you life insurance. So I took a tool that I was given, plus my own natural curiosity, and developed it over time into what I call wealth coaching, which is really trying to find the things that make you feel true wealth, which are the things that money can't buy and time won't take away. And that's what gives you that quality of life that we're all seeking and we don't even know we're seeking it.

Pedro 31:09

Right. And also I would pinpoint one thing. Like when I asked you, I remember I asked you that all as well in our first meeting, right? I was like, okay, but what's the difference between a financial planner, you know, and all of that, between between what you do, right? And and that got so clear around the podcast because when you mentioned, right, the deep dive purpose and meaning to try to understand exactly what ticks them, what what where they want to go, right? That that made so much sense hearing from you when we were talking about the onboarding process and me becoming a uh potential hypothetical client, right? And all that. So I think that is very aligned, very clear to how coaching is actually inserted in your own program, your own, your own offers. This is just my long-winded way of saying, okay, Teresa, I really appreciate you taking the time and being open with this. You know, it was great having you.

Davis Nguyen 32:00

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