Rachael O'Meara: From Burnout to a Thriving Coaching Business

In this episode of Success Leaves Clues Podcast, host Davis Nguyen sits down with Rachael O'Meara, former Google leader, bestselling author of Pause, and executive career coach, to explore how high achievers can break free from burnout, self-doubt, and analysis paralysis.

Rachael shares her personal journey from struggling with burnout during her 13-year career at Google to building a thriving coaching business that helps ambitious tech leaders gain clarity, confidence, and career fulfillment. She also reveals how joining Purple Circle transformed her business by creating a consistent flow of leads, sales, and sustainable growth.

Together, Davis and Rachael discuss the importance of investing in yourself, trusting the coaching process, overcoming overthinking, and building a business and life that are both successful and sustainable.

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Transcript

Rachael O'Meara 0:00

It was also a different type of coaching. I hadn't had specifically the things that I I was learning in Purple Circle either, like the processes and understanding how to create leads and things like that. So uh what it's what it's been like, is that the question?

Davis Nguyen 0:12

Yeah, I was like what what what's different for you in your business life, your personal life?

Rachael O'Meara 0:15

Oh boy, okay. Well, first of all, I have I have sales calls and leads every week. Wow, what a concept. I think one of the hardest things we learn is how to how to create sustainable businesses. And for someone who wrote a book about being sustained and and self-aware, I don't want to be working in like in like starts and starts. And I think for me, what what Purple Circle has created is a a consistent flow of not just uh the leads but the sales. So I re I've I revamped my program. It's you know six months long, and and now I have a steady stream of people who are going into it and feeling like it's the best it's ever been. And I'm having fun. Like I I love doing the things that I'm doing right now with with with regards to building my business. It's actually cool to see it be growing like this.

Davis Nguyen 1:09

Welcome to Career Coaching Secrets, the podcast where we talk with successful career coaches on how they built their success and the hard lessons they learned along the way. My name is David Swin, and I'm the founder of Purple Circle, where we help career coaches scale their business to $100,000 years, $100,000 months, and even $100,000 weeks. Before Purple Circle, I've grown several seven and eight-figure career coaching businesses myself and have been a consultant at two career coaching businesses that are doing over $100 million each. Whether you're an established coach or building your practice for the first time, go discover the secrets to elevating your coaching business. Welcome back to another episode of the podcast here. I'm so excited about today because we have a returning guest, Rachael O'Mare, who was on the show late last year, and she she's probably one of my favorite guests that we've had on the show. And not because she we ended up working together after the show, but just you were so genuine on your episode, and it's actually I still think one of our most requested episodes when when people reach out and like, hey, which episodes are like very heartwarming, it doesn't have to be scripted. It was like, yeah, send Rachael's episode. There's no reason not to. And so I'm so excited because obviously we're here at the Purple Circle Retreat. This is your second one, and I I just love just everything about you, and I love the fact that you even you saw yesterday when we closed out. So many people thank you for just your energy and those who attended the breath work that you did on the first day. Amazing. So I just I just want to say first off, really appreciate you being in the purple circle community in general.

Rachael O'Meara 2:32

Thank you. I really appreciate what you're saying, sharing, and uh yeah, I I was I was surprised and touched that I got that feedback because I just think I just show up, and all of a sudden there's a lot of feedback, how how radiant I am, and I'm like, but I'm just doing my thing, like I'm just showing up.

Davis Nguyen 2:50

Literally, I think probably 40-50% of the room gave you a shout-out on the last day for Racha el, just being you. And I think I think that's the magical part is that, well, for those of who haven't watched your first episode who don't know YouTube Purple Circle, is what kind of coaching do you do? Because it'll share, it'll transition.

Rachael O'Meara 3:06

Okay, okay, yeah. So I work with high achieving tech leaders who want to get out of overwhelm and self-doubt so that they can be more confident and make their next career moves, whether it's a promotion, a new job, getting a job, learning about how they could uh have a different type of role. That's really what they need to know.

Davis Nguyen 3:26

And the thing that we talked about too is your ideal client, they're the people that you work with, they're often the opposite, right? They feel like they have to go into meetings, they have to be over-prepared and they overthink everything as well.

Rachael O'Meara 3:36

Absolutely, yeah. All of the folks who I help, these high achievers, type A's, super, super smart people who are very driven, and so they've spent their whole lives making decisions, analyzing everything, thinking about the next step. Is this the best move? Is there other things to do? Could I figure it out myself? Can there be multiple solutions? And so that's I think just the path, like the way people think when we get to that higher level of what we're doing.

Davis Nguyen 4:04

Yeah, and that comes from a place of personal experience too, as well. Because you know what's funny is that when when I read your bio, if anyone reads your bio, obviously there's Rachael before and after she became a coach, it's like you've been there, you you know exactly what it feels like. Well for for for those who haven't seen the first episode, like what what was that journey like for you personally? As in, obviously this comes from a place of personal experience, not just like, you know, one day I'm just gonna wake up, I'm just gonna coach people. I I don't really know.

Rachael O'Meara 4:28

No, yeah, that that is definitely not what happened to me. And like and I the last thing I actually expected was to be a coach. So for me, I was working in tech, I worked at Google for 13 years, and I was always, as everyone is, and I think high high performance jobs, going for whatever achievements we could. So pushing to the next level, working hard, going over details, scrutinizing things, and for me, I hit a wall, and my manager literally told me that I might want to consider doing something else because I wasn't performing at a level that was expected. And for me, what that was was I just was I had just lost touch with what I wanted or who I was actually, and I had no training in coaching, no training in mindfulness or emotional intelligence, nothing. But I was a great achiever. I had an MBA like a lot of my clients. I worked at Google, one of the like the top-rated company. I was a national rowing champion, and so I pushed myself. I was really, really driven, which I think really resonates with who I work with. And yet I failed, I was failing. So I'd hit a wall, I felt like I was in a mental tailspin, and I had no idea why. I couldn't for the life of me figure out what was going wrong because all I did was just keep trying harder. So anyway, I took a three-month unpaid break. I did go back to Google, I wasn't sure I would, but I did go back because what I realized was I just really wasn't present. I wasn't understanding what it meant to be in my feelings and know what I wanted. I couldn't express if I felt angry or fear or sad or just something that wasn't sitting comfortably with me. And so that set me on a whole new journey to start to do things that really brought me more joy at work. And everything changed from there. And I started hosting speakers at Google and the YouTube authors program. Maybe you've heard of that. A lot of mindfulness speakers. And and one of them invited me to their weekend training, and pretty much decided, like, wow, I really need some some more help, and I don't think I can get there by myself because it was a whole new world to me.

Davis Nguyen 6:37

I I love that. So hang on to a moment, is that you a coach came into your life and obviously it just clicked. But there's a moment there where obviously you thought about you're overanalyzing everything as someone who also has wrote, and I'm like, wow, it is hard. You really have to focus, and you're also overanalizing like how's everyone else? Am I in rhythm? Am I at the right side? Is it cox in your and of course? But the thing that you said mentioned was that you just went in, you decided just to go into the coach and be like, you know what? This aha moment for me. As in what what switch that made you feel go from overanalyzing everything to no, I'm just gonna take this smooth.

Rachael O'Meara 7:11

I know, and it was hard. Like, I won't say I wasn't thinking a lot about it and deliberating or hem and haying, like not sure what to do. So for me, it was being open to what could be different for myself, and I saw that when I was at the training or speaking to my to my mentors, and then I started to think about what would it be like for me if I actually had those qualities, if I had those skills, what could be different? And it it was it was almost like too good to be true for me, and so I felt like if if I don't do this, and it was super scary by the way, I'd never invested in myself like that, and I was like, I had no idea what I was doing, I had no idea what it would be like. I just trusted the fact that maybe things can be, maybe things can change, maybe things can be different if I thought a little differently.

Davis Nguyen 8:02

I I love that because we often talk about this too, is that as as coaches, a lot of the people that we want to work with our potential clients, they're they're also stuck in that that rope, right? And they're overanalyzing. And of course, you see all these clients, these people who are these high achievers who eventually achieve it, and one of the things they have is that decisives, and obviously you coach people towards that.

Rachael O'Meara 8:20

Yeah.

Davis Nguyen 8:21

And I I've loved I'd love to know as in so what is what is the cost actually of someone who has to wait, who every week they're not working with you, you know, like oh I can transform your life. Yeah. What happens there with them?

Rachael O'Meara 8:34

Well, one so I this is a great question. It's a conundrum, I think, too, because one of the things that I help people with is imposter syndrome or feeling like they're they're doubting themselves. So automatically you're thinking it's not gonna work or it's not gonna you you're deliberating or not thinking if it would be the what the way to go. And what I like to think about is the like what is that cost to you? What is the price that you're paying? And when I think about the clients that I serve, that's the irony because everyone is so smart, everyone is so driven, they could literally do anything that they wanted to do. And because they're not clear with how they might see things differently, because they're just analyzing and thinking things through over and over again, almost like analysis paralysis. Or they've been so good and smart they think they can figure it out by themselves that they don't like, they just stay in that pattern. So weeks or like days turn into weeks, turns into months, and then three months go by or four months go by, and nothing's really different. And then they then they're wondering why they can't make those decisions. They don't know which career to take, whether it's maybe a manager role versus a senior individual contributor, or if they should leave or start their new just dream startup. And that that feels really challenging, and and also I feel really sad because I I can see that I can see me in them. I can see how I really was scared because I was like, who is that person gonna be who said yes? And now I look back, you know, years later, I'm like, oh man, my whole life changed because I uh took a chance on me, basically.

Davis Nguyen 10:12

I love that. I love I love how you said that. Like your whole life changed because you took a chance on yourself, and it's like it is amazing, right? So when when people think about investing in coaching or any programs, any self-development, whoever it may be, it's like they think about yes, there's the money, but like the money's gonna come and go anyways. Like you're you're gonna earn the money. Yeah, but the same problems that you have every night, it's like those indecisions that keep you up at night, think worrying about is this the right path for me? What am I supposed to be doing? And of course, we see that in Purple Circle as well, or people who think about joining and they're like, I don't know if this is for me, and it's like, ah, it's a lot of money, whatever it is. Yeah, and of course, months down the road, like nothing changes because you didn't change anything about yourself, right? Right. And of course, you're a great example of that, of someone who has changed themselves. But I'd love to know, like, what did we you've worked with so many clients at this point. Like, was there a client that you worked with here like who went back and just said, Wow, I'm so glad I worked with you, Rachael, because you helped me do all this. And they were an overthinker.

Rachael O'Meara 11:06

Yeah, well, it reminds me, isn't there a book called that? Like, nothing changes until you do. I know there's a book out there. Go find that book. I don't know, I don't remember what it is, but it's like the whole summary of what we're talking about. And I also say, like, what got you here won't get you there a lot. And I think about uh someone who just finished the program that I have who really wasn't sure, a super senior consultant, like someone after your own heart, and wanted to potentially go into her own thing. She wasn't really sure, but uh for her, she said yes, she was excited to try something different, and she had no nothing on her radar to take a break, like that wasn't anything we talked about, but but because she learned that she can lean into how she can show up for herself, and that's what we cover is how do you trust yourself again? How do you how do you know to believe in what you really want and get clear on what you want? And so she wanted to take a break. So the irony is you know, I wrote a book called Pause, and she realized she needed a pause, but she didn't really know that until she even took a break because she didn't think she deserved it. And she learned that she can deserve it and she does deserve it because she's worth it. And to me that was just gold because uh everyone's worth it if we can actually see that. But sometimes it's really hard to see that because we just we're just pushing and pushing harder and working harder because that's what we've been taught and that's what we know. But the reality is we're just not valuing ourselves in the way that we could because we're thinking we gotta prove ourselves. But the reality is you don't have to prove yourself because you are worth it no matter what, and I like to think that I can be a guide to help get someone there.

Davis Nguyen 12:44

Exactly. I love that. I um I've learned to say this to describe the same same scenario, which is that oftentimes we're we're working, right? But we we we don't we have blind spots, but more the analogy I found that has landed really well is that it's kind of like you we have a nose in front of our mouth, but we still need someone to tell us that we have bad breath.

Rachael O'Meara 13:01

Yeah, we're spinaching our teeth.

Davis Nguyen 13:03

Exactly. It's like you can't you can't see it from yourself, so you need to be able to have that. And you're a great example of that. And of course, you don't just tell your clients and potential clients to do this, you actually do it yourself as well. And so after the podcast, obviously we got we got introduced, and you're like, hey, tell me about purple circle, and then you jumped right in, and you're like, hey, let's go, let's go through. What's what's that when when you were jumping in, were you also hesitant yourself in terms of what you were thinking? It's like, oh, should I work with Davis and his team? Or it's like, oh no. What was that like in your own mind now that you've gone through the whole training?

Rachael O'Meara 13:31

Yeah, what and what was funny was, and I think this is true for a lot of us, like I wasn't looking for anything. I was simply, and I'd had I'd had other trainings up until then, and so it was like the last thing on my mind, but as I listened to what the possibilities were again, and it kind of clicked for me, like, oh yeah, I I need more processes. I don't have XYZ, and you do, and I actually do want that, but but I know from experience because now I've been on the journey and had coaches that I can get there faster, I can get there easier, I can be more supportive. Like, why would I not do that? And to me, that was the no-brainer part of saying yes to Purple Circle.

Davis Nguyen 14:10

I love that, and just so people, your audience and everyone knows too, like you invest in yourself, what have been some of the results that you've gotten that you're like, you know what? I'm so glad I did this because this is what it was a year for me versus where I am right now.

Rachael O'Meara 14:22

Yeah, so it was also a different type of coaching. I hadn't had specifically the things that I would I was learning in Purple Circle either, like the processes and understanding how to create leads and things like that. So uh what it's what it's been like, is that the question?

Davis Nguyen 14:37

Yeah, I was like, what what what's different for you in your business life, your personal life?

Rachael O'Meara 14:40

Oh boy, okay. Well, first of all, I have I have sales calls and leads every week. Wow, what a concept. I think one of the hardest things we learn is how to how to create sustainable businesses. And for someone who wrote a book about being sustained and and self-aware, I don't want to be working in like in like starts and starts. And I think for me, what what Purple Circle has created is a a consistent flow of not just uh the leads but the sales. So I reve I've I revamped my program. It's you know six months long, and and now I have a steady stream of people who are going into it and feeling like it's the best it's ever been. And I'm having fun. Like I I love doing the things that I'm doing right now with with with regards to building my business. It's actually cool to see it be growing like this.

Davis Nguyen 15:35

I love it too, and I remember we're at the retreat, and I slightly saw you replying back to some leads when I was walking about doing one exercise. I'm like, Rachael, right thing to do here. Get back to your leads.

Rachael O'Meara 15:44

I'm like, if I don't get those leads done, they're gonna be piling up, and then my program is gonna be like not as efficient. Yes.

Davis Nguyen 15:50

It is, it's like it's one of the aha moments, right? It's like when when I'm first starting my coaching business, not for Berkeley, but my career coaching business, I was like, oh, where are the referrals coming in? Should I refresh my inbox? And then you hit on a flection point when you finally get the system and processes, and let's say you need leads and you go in and you're like, oh my gosh, I need to reply back to them or they're gonna disappear because then it can start stop filing. And of course, you're about to continue your trip after the retreat as well. So I love that. I I of course I make a joke about it. Look, guys, we all have clients, we have leads, take care of them because results over revenue, just make sure that they're taken care of. And yeah, just it's just such a great example of that. But I'm gonna give you your credit too because there's a couple things that make you such an ideal coach in for your clients, but also just a member of Pop Circle here is that one, you just have this humility that you're always trying to learn. Like even in your your thank yous when you were just shouting out people, you're like, Thank you for teaching me this, thank you for showing me this. It's like it's like you have this learner's mindset that you're always trying to get better. Like someone who has your pedigree, who's worked over a decade in Google, who's done all the things, done all the training, done all the self-work, might just walk around saying, I got the answers, but you you just have this open mind, like like a like you you just want to know what else is out there, and you're like, you know what, this is my part of the world, but there's just so much I have in store. So I think that's that's it, right? So there's so many people who come in and they have all these conceptions of what success is gonna look like, and they but they haven't gotten it. So it's like your open-mindedness is one of it. And second, you just you you just go in. Like when you commit to something, you're just like, go in, hey, I made this decision, I'm gonna go through. Even yesterday, you're like, Davis, where's the next retreat? I'm in. It's like, oh well, okay, well, I'm gonna go.

Rachael O'Meara 17:20

I'm already up signing up now.

Davis Nguyen 17:22

And then third is that you you just you find a way to always business and everything else is like ups and downs, but you always find yourself going through, and I remember it's like there was a period when you're like, I gotta travel all these places, but don't worry, we're gonna continue to go through, and I'm getting I'm I'm looking at the WhatsApp message between you and Coach Marco, and I'm just like, man, Rachael's making it happen. Like she she probably whatever Rachael puts her mind to, she just does it. And of course, I see that in your client testimonials. I see that in the conversations you have about hey, this client's done, I want to continue to work with them, what else is there because they want to work with me. And it's like you're it's just a great example of what happens when someone does invest in themselves, someone does realize that there's a gap, but also you just go in and like literally.

Rachael O'Meara 18:05

Thank you, thank you. I really appreciate I've taken that in because I think that is important, and I think I've reached a few moments where I'm like, maybe I am done, right? Like how I cause we don't know. How do you how do you know? But I think my re my big reality lesson is that you can choose to keep going wherever you are, and there's always going to be something you can benefit from. And I and I and I think commitment, you know what that's what you're talking about is commitment is a skill. Like it's not something I think that comes easily. I was not always like that. I wasn't always I was always someone with one foot in and one foot out the back door, and now I've learned that if I just go all in and trust that it's o okay and I put myself into it, then I can succeed. I will succeed. There's no way I can fail if I am all in.

Davis Nguyen 18:50

Exactly. And as long as you have the right trusted advisors who you do to be able to guide the way, because one of the things you mentioned is like the biggest insight you had was like, wow, a year ago, I was like, well, I have all this time, and now I have all these clients, these marketing, these sales calls, these coaching calls, these leads coming in. And of course, the next thing is how do we amplify Rachael? And so I'm excited for the next phase where we built this now that we've solved the leads and the sales, it's like, well, let's get the operations so that you're removed from the day-to-day.

Rachael O'Meara 19:16

Yeah.

Davis Nguyen 19:16

And my uh my excitement is that next year you'll still have more leads and things like that. You'll have teams like looking around, like we had other members who had to go take team calls during during a retreat. But my goal is that, well, you're not alone and you're like, we have this abundance coming in. So I'm so excited.

Rachael O'Meara 19:30

I love that vision for me, thank you. And I uh really appreciate that because it doesn't have to be hard, like it doesn't have to be a lot of struggle if you create that sense of abundance and ease for yourself. And that's personally like a goal of mine. And so I love that you just reflected that back to me. Thank you.

Davis Nguyen 19:45

Of course, sometimes again, like I said, like you think we we have spinach on our teeth, but we have to we have to say sometimes I'll wake up and like, oh yeah, I need that mirror to tell me that's only stuff from last night. And so that that's that's I'm I'm just so excited for all the lives that you're gonna touch, and I'm so excited for where you're headed, and of course, continue to work as well. And here's a question like, what advice would you have for a coach? Because a year ago when you came in, you mentioned you're like, uh, I have a business, but uh leads are inconsistent, the referrals, I'm not quite sure what my offer is, all kinds of sales process, I don't have all these things. I'm like, uh, I'm just walking around in the world there is what advice would you have for that, Rachael, and others who might be in that same situation?

Rachael O'Meara 20:21

Oh, so good. I I think my my advice would be to pause literally pause, just kind of take a breath and assess like just what what's working, what's not working. So you can get clear on maybe things that you can change that you want to shift in a way that are work that's working better. For me, it was like you're saying, like I wanted more consistency in my business. I didn't want to have like droughts and then like feasts and famines. And to me, that's important to think about for how I can show up in ways that really supported that. But if I don't pause and I'm not clear, and that's why I I really love my book and what I did, because it's a it's a skill as well, then I just keep going and I'm spinning and I don't know how to shift it. And I think all of us experience that and we know what that is like, and it doesn't have to be like that. But unless we really take that moment to intentionally shift our behavior, then it's really hard. And so I'm glad that we met. I'm glad you invited me on your podcast, and here we are.

Davis Nguyen 21:21

I'm really glad too. It's like the universe got it, put us together, and just it was like the right timing. I I I've loved every interaction with you having with you, and of course, our connections to Florida and also California and everything else in between. It just felt like yeah, it felt like we were both meditating in the universe.

Rachael O'Meara 21:40

Exactly. Exactly.

Davis Nguyen 21:42

And it's funny because, yeah, exactly. And you're gonna be going to a Googler who's also in Purple Circle, and you're gonna be going to his retreat. It's like it's it's like the universe has put us together in the right time in the right place, and it was just beautiful.

Rachael O'Meara 21:52

Yeah, I love it.

Davis Nguyen 21:53

And I'm so so excited. And I think one of one of the things too is that you you really do live what you say, which is Is your book pause obviously is about, hey, let's, before we continue running, let's figure out what do we want, how do we have this sustainable career, how do we have this sustainable life, the sustainable business. And you do such a great example of that. And literally right after this, that's why we're gonna make sure you get to it. You're literally taking a tour of the ruins right after this because you're like, you know what, I could be working, but I also want to have a sustainable life. And so I'm excited for that. I'm excited for the photos you're gonna send too.

Rachael O'Meara 22:23

Yeah, yeah, thank you. And and I'm excited because I learned that because I burned out, because I went the hard way and I kept pushing and like going through the motions, and and there's a point where that just can work maybe short term, but then long term it doesn't. And so who am I if I if I'm not doing that? You know, like I can't I can't stand on in my shoes and say, you know, pause or like do something different if I'm not doing that. So I want to be the example, and thank you for sharing that you see that in me. Because I think it's it's really hard to do that, and it's it's not the norm yet, but that's my mission. My mission is to help people know that that's totally doable. You just have to learn those skills.

Davis Nguyen 23:01

And you're doing fantastic with that. And so obviously, I'm gonna link to your best-selling book here, Paul is there, but if people want to reach out to you, what's the best way for them to get it?

Rachael O'Meara 23:08

Yeah, so my website is rachaelomera.com. I'm on LinkedIn to Rachael O'Mara. And uh just go ahead, you can listen to my podcast, The PauseCast. I love that. And I feature great tips and how you can get more clear, great guests, and all of that's on my website. So check that out.

Davis Nguyen 23:28

We'll make sure that happens, Rachael. So I'm excited, and I'm excited for the next update as well. And I'm excited just everything else that you're doing because what you're doing with the pause and everything, more people need to have it, especially those of you who are in your position, because I already see you as someone who was that coach who came into your life and just transformed everything else for the rest of your life. So I'm excited for that.

Rachael O'Meara 23:48

Yeah, and I have a free gift on my website, the uh three keys to turn three keys to turn burnout into thriving at work. So another example is I think when when a when someone is struggling to feel clear, like there's just a decision that they want to make, but they don't know, they don't think they know how to make it because they don't have the they haven't been there yet. So of course, how would you know? And I think that's a common culprit of in of feeling like you can't make a decision and staying stuck. And I just want to speak to that a little bit because that's actually one of the reasons why coaching can help and support you if you're thinking about not knowing what the next step is. Coaching can help you get clear on that. I think that one of them, I don't know if you find this, but a misconception I think around signing up or saying yes to support is that you're not clear yet. So if you're not clear yet, how is someone else gonna help you? But that's actually the reality is well, that's exactly why you can join coaching and get support because if you're not clear, I can help you get clear. I can help you understand what it what it what scenarios might be, how to make decisions better, how you can think about what could be different, things that you wouldn't necessarily think about yourself. And I know I've worked with clients who who did say yes to me because they weren't clear, but they knew they would probably stay unclear if they didn't get help, which I really admire because that's that's like a you know, that's courage. It takes courage and a strength to say, you know what, I don't know this now and may not never know this unless I get some help and support. And I think that's a common common issue with a lot of really super smart, intelligent people, and that we think we can figure it out on our own or just wait until the stars align because they will get there somehow. But the reality is they won't get there, and they can't get there unless we understand what's important to us, how we understand what we need and want. And I think that takes other time support that we don't necessarily think about.

Davis Nguyen 25:44

Exactly. It's it's the idea that, for example, we when we feel something's wrong with our body, we'll go to the doctor, we don't hesitate about that, we'll get everything to take care of it. But when something's wrong up here, we feel like, oh, we could take care of ourselves, and yet every other part of our body, everything else, we figure out an expert who's been there and done that and save us so much time, or worse, there's something that's actually plaguing us that we can easily solve. So I love that analogy. It's like we that's exactly what we do for people, and that's what you do for your clients. And it just it's they know something's wrong, but if they could have solved it themselves, it would have solved it already. And I love the fact that your clients, when they come to you, they might not have the answer, but by the time they work with you, they do get the answer.

Rachael O'Meara 26:21

Yeah, and they and they just they're just trusting that one foot in front of the other. That's really all I'm asking for is just to trust the process, have have some faith in the process because it's really challenging if you don't know where you're being led, and that's okay. Because how like how would we know? We don't know. And unless we put that next foot forward, then we just stay stuck. We just don't move in the ways that we want or could and or go as fast or do all the things that we want to do.

Davis Nguyen 26:44

Love that. We'll link to that as well. Rachael, thank you.

Rachael O'Meara 26:47

Thank you.

Davis Nguyen 26:48

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