Rooted

In this season two finale of 'The Shadows We Cast', Jenn St. John sits down with Zainib Abdullah, MSW, RSW, somatic trauma psychotherapist, founder of Wellnest, and advocate for collective healing and care, for a conversation about trauma, embodiment, and what it means to come home to ourselves.

Born in Iraq and immigrating to Canada as a child, Zainib shares how her own experiences of migration, grief, identity, and intergenerational trauma shaped both her personal healing journey and her professional work. Together, Jenn and Zainib explore the connection between the body, the nervous system, and emotional healing, challenging the idea that recovery happens through insight alone.

Throughout the conversation, they discuss somatic healing, nervous system regulation, ancestral resilience, collective care, spirituality, community, and the wisdom our bodies carry. They also explore why healing isn't always about becoming someone new, but often about reconnecting with parts of ourselves that have been hidden beneath survival.

Whether you're navigating trauma, burnout, grief, chronic stress, or simply feeling disconnected from yourself, this episode offers a compassionate invitation to slow down, listen inward, and consider what helps you feel grounded, connected, and rooted.

Because healing may not be about finding something outside of ourselves. Sometimes it's about remembering what was there all along.

Connect with Zainib:

Website

Instagram  

LinkedIn 

If this episode resonates with you, please consider subscribing, leaving a review, or sharing it with someone who may benefit from the conversation.

Host/Producer/Writer/Director: Jenn St John

Editor: Andrew Schiller
Website: www.jennstjohn.ca
Follow along:
Instagram: @jenn_stjohn
LinkedIn: Jenn St John

If this episode spoke to you, share it with someone who might need to hear it too.

Subscribe, leave a review, or just send a little love—your support helps these conversations reach the people who need them most.

Transcript

PODCAST:            The Shadows We Cast

EPISODE:              Rooted

HOST:                    Jenn St John

GUEST:                  Zainib Abdullah

LENGTH:               00:35:28

TRANSCRIPT:

 Zainib  00:00

Our bodies hold the stories of pain, of trauma, often in the forms of posture, sensation, emotional patterns, how we interact with the world, and so somatic healing is really about this unifying experience of mind, body, and soul, and that integration, that wholeness can help us start to heal, because we're not just focused on the cognitive aspects of things or the thinking, but we're actually inviting the body in to start to offer us the story, so there isn't that disconnect between our mind.

Jenn St John  00:40

Hello, and welcome to The Shadows We Cast, a podcast about what we carry, the impact we leave, and the messy, beautiful reality of mental health. I'm Jen St. John, a writer, business owner, and a mental health advocate who grew up in a family shaped by mental illness. Some of it was heartbreaking, some of it darkly funny, and all of it shaped who I am today. Here we're going to share honest conversations, stories from me, from you, and from those who have walked this road in different ways, through journal entries, letters from my mom, and real conversations. We're going to pull back the layer on mental health, the tough parts, the moments that shaped us, and how we move forward together. So, grab a coffee, settle in, and let's talk. Before we begin, just a quick note. This episode includes adult themes, including addiction, mental illness, trauma, and suicidal ideation. Please take care in choosing when and where you listen, especially if you're in a sensitive place or you have little ones around. I also want to gently remind you that I am not a mental health professional. The conversations you hear on this podcast are grounded in lived experience, mine and the stories generously shared by others. My reflections, questions, and opinions come from that place, and not from clinical training. Our goal here is connection, not diagnosis, and this is a space for real stories, honest conversations, and the hope that in hearing them you might feel a little less alone. So, for many of us, healing begins as a search. We search for answers, for understanding, we search for relief from the things that hurt us. We look outward for tools and experts, and books, and therapies, and frameworks that might help us make sense of what's going on with our own personal experiences. And while all of those things can be incredibly valuable, what if part of healing is also a return to something within us? My guest today is Zainab Abdullah, a somatic trauma psychotherapist, founder of Wellness, and a passionate advocate for collective healing and care. Throughout her work supporting individuals navigating both intergenerational and personal trauma, Zainab helps people reconnect with their bodies, their stories, and their capacity for healing. In this conversation, we explore the relationship between trauma, the nervous system, and the body's innate wisdom. We talk about immigration, identity, grief, community, spirituality, and the ways that our experiences become woven into us across generations. We also discuss somatic healing, ancestral resilience, and what it means to come home to ourselves in a world that often pulls us away from presence and connection. What I appreciated most about this conversation is that it isn't about becoming somebody new, it's about remembering who we were beneath our survival. It's about learning to listen to the signals that our bodies have been sending us all along, and discovering that healing may not be something we find outside ourselves solely, but something that we can slowly also uncover within. So I always begin every conversation with an original excerpt from either my mom or myself, and today I'm starting with one from my mum, I forgave, because that is what I needed to do to feel whole, to like myself, and to rid myself of excess emotional baggage that was weighing me down and holding me back. I wanted peace of mind, and I could not have it, as long as I was stymied by unfinished business from the past and expending most of my energy nursing my unhealed wounds. I was not happy with myself or my life, and I thought that maybe I could do more and be more than I was, and so I chose to heal. Every time I read those words from my mom, I'm struck by how quietly radical they are. She wasn't talking about the kind of healing that comes neat and literally, she was talking about the kind that asks you to sit with the ache, to face what's being avoided, and to choose sometimes daily not to let old pain decide who you become. Her writing reminds me that healing isn't about feeling better, it's about reclaiming the parts of ourselves that got buried under survival.

Jenn St John  04:59

It's the shift from I'm fine to actually finding our way back home inside our own bodies, and that is the heart of our conversation today. Zainib, thank you so much for being here. I'm grateful to have you. Thank you. I'm glad to be here. I wanted to start with your story. You shared that this work is deeply personal for you. You take us back to that moment when you first realized that you wanted to understand trauma and healing on a deeper level.

Zainib  05:31

I think it's important to begin with my own personal experience, because I don't know that it was so clear to me at such a young age that this is exactly what I want to do, or how it's going to look, but there was a desire to reduce suffering around me, suffering within myself, even if it wasn't really named. Oftentimes, when we start those journeys, it's more focused externally, like I want to understand the brain, and I want to understand mental health concerns. Ultimately, I want to reduce suffering. I think by disposition I'm a pretty highly sensitive person, and so I was already attuned to suffering around me. I grew up in Iraq. I was born in Iraq. I immigrated here when I was about 11, and I turned 12 right when I came. There was so much beauty about being connected to community and growing up with my family, and there was so much pain and grief in the migration experience, as much as our parents tried to glorify it for us to help us with that move. There was also wars, generations of wars, and the impact of, you know, imperialism and capitalism, and so that manifested itself in pain around me. I've had family members who had mental health concerns that was never really named or addressed or minimized and stigmatized when I entered the field and wanted to go into sciences because I did my Bachelor of Science. I wanted to understand the brain and power, so I was fascinated by neuroscience. I later moved on to go into social work because I was becoming more and more aware of the intersectionality of race, gender, my own history, and I felt that that was a path where I can explore healing, and so that's how I went into it. And when you're in it, it all comes together in a clear way of why I chose the pachos,

Jenn St John  07:35

absolutely. And how, like you're saying, at 11 coming over with everything that you've experienced, how do you feel that your cultural identity shaped your understanding of mental health and emotional expression? Like, I mean, obviously, at 11 it was different from as you were older, and you started to unpack some more things,

Zainib  07:54

because it shaped my lived reality. I was seeing grief around me, I was seeing pain around me all over, and so it was pretty clear to me, someone who is absorbing all of that, but also experiencing it myself. Moving to a new place is pretty hard, sure, but immigrating, knowing that you're not gonna go back and see your family, and then the war hit, and then I couldn't see the most important figures in my life at that time. It was my grandma who brought me up, really, for years. You start to carry a lot of grief and pain, and so it shaped the experience. I don't know that there was so much understanding, but culturally, Arabs are pretty expressive emotionally, and so there wasn't a suppression, but there wasn't necessarily co-regulation and naming and understanding. Everyone kind of grieves together, and we do have rituals, even if they're not directly naming the pain, but there is a collective way of coming together to hold pain,

Jenn St John  09:00

right? So, being emotional and being present, your emotions is accepted, and it's like everyone's doing it, but then it's like, then what do you do with it?

Zainib  09:09

And there's so much of it, right? When there is the impact of war trauma for years, and historically and intergenerationally, so it's that impact that's really then it gets woven into as you were kind of speaking about the embodied state and it gets passed on generation after generation, right, moving, immigrating from one country to another is huge, we moved over 20 times between being a child, being 18, and that was between two countries in North America. I can only imagine language and culture, and friends, and family, and school, and community - like everything is different. So, it's a lot for a child to go through. You often talk about the wisdom of the body, and that healing begins when you can listen to it. For

Jenn St John  10:00

anyone who's new to this idea, how would you describe somatic healing or the idea of that connection in your body?

Zainib  10:10

I think I want to start by saying that we are whole beings, we are not compartmentalized machines that are walking around our body is interconnected. Our bodies, where we experience everything, where we experience emotion, even our thoughts are experienced in our bodies, where we interact with the world. Our bodies hold the stories of pain, of trauma, often in the forms of posture, sensation, emotional patterns. How we interact with the work we're interacting through this embodied state, or through this body. And so somatic healing is really about I want to really be clear that this has been a part of indigenous cultures for 1000s of years, this unifying experience of mind, body, and soul, and that integration, that wholeness can help us start to heal, because we're not just focused on the cognitive aspects of things or the thinking, but we're actually inviting the body in to start to offer us the story, so that we can work with it directly, so we can become whole, and we can become unified, so there isn't that disconnect between our mind, that's uprightness,

Jenn St John  11:33

right?

Zainib  11:34

Yeah,

Jenn St John  11:34

I find it so fascinating how we push down indigenous practices, we pushed down how people were doing things, and now 200 years forward we're actually going back

Zainib  11:49

to it. Yeah, yeah. Can you explain the polyvagal theory and nervous system regulation for somebody who doesn't understand the connection with somatic healing? Yeah, I'll explain it as a theory, but a complex system of nerves that connect the brainstem all the way down to your gut, your lungs, your heart. Their primary focus is to help your system navigate states of stress, and it works through either activation, whether it's that sympathetic arousal, the fight or flight, or it can go into more of that shutdown state, the dorsal vagal. What the polyvagal theory tells us is the ideal state, which is the ventral vagal, which is a state of balance whereby there is a bit of that activation, but it is moderated by still the parasympathetic nervous system, so that you're able to connect, you feel joy, you feel excitement. Physiologically, they might feel the same, for instance, excitement and fear, but there's a difference, because your system is working within safe ranges, or a window of tolerance, or outside of the window of tolerance, of course. The decolonial critique since this emergence of scientific research that's saying, hey, maybe it's not exactly as the polyvagal neatly put it into those categories, is that yoga traditions, tai chi, traditional Chinese medicine, and movement practices practiced within different wisdom traditions have been working with our nervous systems for 1000s of years,

Jenn St John  13:24

and somatic healing is more in line with that.

Zainib  13:27

Total, yeah.

Jenn St John  13:29

How is trauma recovery supported for those, especially who have been in more chronic states of survival? For example, what you experienced, and so many people who have a similar story dealing with a parent who was dealing with addiction and mental health. There's chronic states of trauma. Yeah, is somatic healing resonate more, or is there more movement for somebody through somatic healing if they've experienced that?

Zainib  13:56

I'll answer it in twofold, because we love categorizing things as well, and if you're talking about complex trauma, so let's say someone that's diagnosed with something like complex PTSD or chronic trauma, cognitive approaches actually are not as that effective. They may be first line, they're always used the first line because they've gotten the most amount of money put into the research, but it's pretty clear now in the trauma world that using modalities that are somatically based is what is most effective to working with trauma, and that could include many different kind of paths, you can have EMDR, sensory motor, somatic experiencing, or yoga therapy, for instance, or practicing tai chi. There are many modalities that come together, but I think the research is quite clear that that is incredibly effective for treating trauma. I think as a whole, because we live in systems that are quite stressful, we're pretty disembodied in constant states. Of stress just by virtue of living in the modern world, and how it's designed, and so healing, or looking into embodiment practices, and starting to introduce that framework into our life goes beyond just healing complex trauma. I do believe that is the only way that we can really resist the constant violation on our systems and the constant fragmentation that happens by just living in the modern world.

Jenn St John  15:28

Yeah, absolutely. The bombardment at least

Zainib  15:30

the diseases and other things that we now know and see.

Jenn St John  15:34

And this leads me to one of my next questions, that role of community and how that relationship can help play a role in healing, even yoga. Right, doing that with a group is very different. Like, I go in a yoga retreat every year, and woman who I met in 2017 my sisters and I go together. We started right after we lost my mom, and you know, there's different ways people do yoga, but she's very emotionally and empathetically connected, and it's very much about listening to your body and being aware of your body and moving. Doing that in a group setting with community takes it to another level, and everybody's on that same path, vibrating the same way. I imagine that, especially today, that's a piece of how people can work through healing.

Zainib  16:27

Yeah, I think it's an oxymoron to say that you can heal alone. Healing has to be collective. You touched on the polyvagal theory, or our nervous systems, so it's important to loop that back in. We know that we are relational. We are designed to be relational, from the way we listen to sound, the way we attune to emotions. So much of our own communication is 90% a non-verbal. We are built to be in connection and to survive in groups that offer us safety, co-regulation, joy, movement, sound, chanting, coming together. We need each other to be able to heal, and I know that the design of capitalist systems, or imperial and colonial systems, which is the underlying frameworks, is really that fragmentation that this embodiment, right, and so we see it now. You beautifully integrate Islamic spirituality into your work and faith. How do you see faith and somatic wisdom supporting one another in the healing process, similar to what we were talking about? They're inherently connected, they're not separate. I've been practicing in the field for about 13 years, and only now, about like the beginning of this school year, September, I started a program in Islamic psychology. It's been profoundly transformative. It's a wisdom tradition that is a sister tradition to many of the historical indigenous traditions, yoga, traditional Chinese medicine, other indigenous forms, or healing traditions, and so inherently it is an entire system that is driving you back to a sense of wholeness and union, and so the somatic or the body within the framework of how human is perceived, so that the healing framework integrates the body, so there's body, there's soul, there's heart, there's reason or logic that are integrated into this model to be able to find balance and wholeness, and so I work with folks from many different backgrounds, but I feel being centered in that is very much aligned with just the work that I've already been doing, but there's something really different about being able to connect to an ancestral lineage, as opposed to the fragmentation, and actually many were talking about somatic new modalities to dealing with trauma, like ER or sensory motor, many, if not all, somatic healing, because it's really booming now as an industry, and everyone's talking about somatic healing, it's really indigenous wisdom repackaged and resold as like this new thing, but as human beings, we've all, in our own traditions, any tradition that you're going to come back to that's connected to land, the cosmos, earth, that you see that interrelation and mirroring of yourself into everything, how you care for land, how you care for one another, how you care for yourself is a whole system approach that naturally inherently has to include the body, yeah, because everything is happening within this realm as well.

Jenn St John  19:49

Exactly, it's all

Zainib  19:50

energy, yes, it's all interconnected.

Jenn St John  19:54

So many people from collectivist or immigrant backgrounds carry unspoken trauma, but also. As we were talking about this deep ancestral resilience, so how do you work with clients and accessing this, obviously the program that you're taking and the connection to the work you've already been doing, and that ancestral history that we have in our bodies, how do you work with clients, or how does this come into your work

Zainib  20:22

in terms of resilience and ancestral resourcing? Whenever we come to work with trauma, we never start at the trauma, we always start at resourcing the system, being able to get a sense of what it feels like to be resourced, to be able to and being resources being able to tolerate the fluctuation inside of your window of tolerance at activation, the going down towards shut down stress levels and being able to actually hold capacity to regulate within your own system, and a lot of that happens within your own experience is quite inherently connected to being in nature, to being with other people, to turning towards yourself, maybe when it comes to a creative craft or a creative practice that you have, and so we really want to be able to bring attention and magnify that experience of resourcing within the system before we start to work with trauma, even for me, I mean, obviously I'm a mixed bag of lots of things, I don't have set ancestral, you know, I don't have rituals, there's nothing like, yeah, yeah, but when you're saying that, I'm just like, but I do have resourcing, I know that for me, if I'm around water, my body just naturally is in its happy place. So it's being aware of those states, taking notes and building those as that foundation of that resource, and as you say, like what feels good for me somatically as a place that I can co-regulate almost on my own. Totally, I find it's all very fascinating, and I'm glad people are talking about the nervous system so much, and coming back, reviving this wisdom, and understanding that, like, okay, this way of being cannot be the mode of our lives of disconnection, our environments, yeah, especially after everything everybody went through with the pandemic, right? I feel like that's part of the shift is that we had no community, we had no connection, and now we're really trying to go far from that, which is fantastic. So, I know you often talk about coming home to yourself.

Jenn St John  22:37

So, what does that mean for you?

Zainib  22:39

It's coming home, coming into a state of witnessing being within yourself that feels resourced, that is connected at the same time to everything around you, and that could be ancestors looking at the future, but holding it from a place where you're resourced and really being embodied with your full spectrum of human experience, because being embodied and resourced often comes with this misconception that you need to be walking around always calm or zen, but being home with yourself or being home is really being open and curious about the full spectrum of your experience, that will include pain, grief, difficult experiences, but being able to be in that witnessing place from a heart-centered space within the Islamic tradition, specifically it's coming into a heart center with an understanding and a reorientation to an innate divine state that your source is connected to a divine reality of wholeness, compassion, love, and that you're always connected to that divine reality that you can bring into being, but you can only access it in the present moment, when you are aware. I think all traditions will speak of being present in the moment, and to be embodied, you have to be present. You can be present in the future or the past, you can only be here, present here, and embodied here, that's maybe one take on being home with yourself. Well, that's a pretty beautiful take. So, when you think about future generations, what we inherit, the ancestral inheritance, etc. What do you hope the current generations carry forward? I hope the current generations, as much as they're so impacted by the current states of fragmentation, there's so much hope, because you can see the mobilization that's happening within young generations of resisting states that fragment us, frameworks that fragment us from connect. Compassion with ourselves with source with the cosmos with earth and with land and communities together, and so I do hope that colonial capitalist framework is challenged, and it is already being challenged, but that there is a sense of embodiment of collective compassion for ourselves and for those around us, and justice ultimately they're quite coupled together, and that reclaiming of the traditional wisdom that we all carry, and that we can all learn from various traditions. You know, I think we're at a state where all wisdom traditions can offer us so much, and respect for all of those respect. Yeah, that's a big piece. Respect seeing appropriation, seeing how current systems extract and utilize these kind of ancient wisdom of being with ourselves, our souls, our collectives, our communities, and let

Jenn St John  26:05

what I love about what I've learned so far about somatic healing is that it feels like pieces of things. It's not as you said earlier, like, oh, this is the way, the only way, and this is it. It feels like we're allowed to pull what speaks to us and what moves in us, and obviously what we learn, and put it together and use that as a healing tool

Zainib  26:30

for somebody who is listening today, and they maybe have never heard of somatic therapy. If this is resonating with them, where can people start? What's the beginning if they're interested or they're curious. I try not to be biased, because there's this messaging that only psychotherapy is the way to healing, but I think from the conversation we're having today, Jen, it's really important to understand that embodiment practices are already inherent to so much of what we already do, or are connected with the tradition it's used in yoga, but oftentimes it's starting with that mindful conscious access and practices within your own life to bring a sense of embodiment, something as simple as starting to take intentional conscious breaths, whereby you focus on the rhythm of breath, noticing where attention is going, bringing it back. We're inundated with so much knowledge. There are many books that can offer you an intro to somatic healing. There are lists of just sensations and emotions, starting at understanding emotions, labeling emotions, observing emotions in our body, learning the language of the body. A lot of us are not connected to the language of the body, learning its language, and starting to pay attention. Maybe taking 1015 minutes where there are no phones around or computers or anything to distract you to start to slowly access it. But what you brought up, that's really profound and beautiful, is being in nature. That is one way, without obviously phones or any digital stuff, to distract us. So one of the most natural ways to come into our bodies, and you can notice it in how your posture changes, how your breath rhythm changes, how your heart rate settles, so those are some ways that I think somatic healing can be.

Jenn St John  28:27

Yeah, it's things that we actually already know, we just need to reintroduce them, maybe, and also reintroduce them without our phone.

Zainib  28:36

With mindfulness, I think the conscious awareness is probably the hardest part to bring in, but the most natural for us, because we're built in to be conscious and aware, and so

Jenn St John  28:47

I liked what you said about emotions, because I know that this is also something that's being talked about a lot. I feel like it's being talked about a lot more recently, even for example, the feeling of hunger for me, just sometimes, because of some of the stuff that happened when I was a child. If I get hungry, I would have a different reaction to that sense of hunger. But I've learned more as an adult, it's just a feeling, and it's gonna go away. It's only here for a little bit, and I can get through it. Even that awareness is really important, and it's something that I feel like is being talked about a lot more, which I think is a really good thing, because that's another piece of the awareness puzzle that I

Zainib  29:30

think we need as well. Totally, it goes back to what you and I were talking about in terms of building awareness of this system that's always feeding information back, but also the capacity and the tolerance to tolerate maybe discomfort or negative experiences without needing to have the survival responses jump on board right away to take care of things, and they're needed and they're honored, and we would never get rid of survival parts we don't want to, but we need. To also lead with a sense of presence and clarity and connectedness and awareness.

Jenn St John  30:06

Yeah, you want to have the survival parts, but you don't want to be in survival mode all the time.

Zainib  30:11

Exactly, you want to be able to have them join to the side, maybe communicate for them. They're often young parts that are stuck in those experiences, that's a different podcast. Thank you so much for being here today. I really appreciate you taking the time and sharing all of your knowledge. It's really fascinating to me about all the connections and how ancestral this is. I hope that people take a lot from this, and I hope that they start on their own journey to start to put the pieces together somatically. Thank you so much for having me. It's been really beautiful connecting with you in the flow of the conversation. I'm sending a lot of care to everyone that's listening. You are inherently built to be in states of presence and healing, you

Jenn St John  31:02

throughout this conversation, Zainab returned again and again to the idea that healing isn't necessarily about becoming somebody new, it's about reconnecting, reconnecting with our bodies, our stories, our communities, our traditions, and the wisdom that we all carry within us. I think that's why the word rooted felt so fitting for this episode, because when I hear that word, I don't think about standing still, I think about connection, I think about, like, my connection to the ground, for example, to the earth, I think about, like, a tree whose roots run really deep beneath the surface, or like an iceberg that you only see a tip of, and drawing strength from places that we can't always see. I think about what happens when we feel disconnected from ourselves, and how healing often begins when we solely find our way back to this. For some people, those roots might be found in family, in culture, in faith, in community, in nature. I know that's a big one for me. Creativity, that's another big one for me. Or in relationships, for others, the work may be learning to trust their own body again after years of living in survival mode. That one also has been me. What stayed with me the most from this conversation is the reminder that our bodies are not the problem to be fixed, that they're also often carrying the story of what we've lived through, and when we learn to listen with curiosity instead of judgment, that they can become one of our greatest sources of wisdom. What brings you back to yourself? What helps you feel grounded when life feels overwhelming? What reminds you that you're connected to something larger than your fear, or your stress or your pain, the answers will be different for each of us, but maybe the practice is noticing them when they appear. Now, before we go, if this conversation resonated with you, I would love to hear from you. You can connect with me through the show notes on social media or at my website, which is Jen St john.ca and that's J E N N S T J O H Ed. Supporting the podcast by subscribing, sharing an episode, or leaving a review is one of the best ways to help these conversations reach more people. If something difficult came up while listening, please remember that you don't have to sit with it alone. In Canada, you can call or text 988 anytime for free confidential mental health support. You can also reach out to the local CMHA crisis line, and here in Simcoe County, it's one triple 88938333 or you can text 686868 to connect with a trained volunteer through the crisis text line. In the US, the 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline is available 24/7 by call or text for anyone who's in emotional distress, not just those in crisis. And for listeners in Australia, you can call Lifeline at 13 1114 day or night, for free and confidential crisis support. As we close out season two of The Shadows We Cast, I just wanted to take a moment to simply say, thank you. I really appreciate every guest who comes on, who trusts me with their story. I really appreciate everybody who listens, who sends me messages, who shares the episodes, who leave a review, or even those who just quietly join us each week. When I look back on this season, I find myself returning to many of the same themes that we explored today, again and again, whether we're talking about grief or trauma or belonging, recovery, community, identity, or hope, we keep arriving at the same place, connection matters, being seen matters and feeling like we belong matters, and perhaps most importantly, healing does not happen in isolation. It happens in a relationship we have with ourselves, with others, and with the stories that we carry. And it's been an incredible privilege to spend this season with you. Thank you for. Holding space for all these conversations, and for being a part of this community. We'll be taking a break now to come up for air a bit first, and then we'll be diving into season three. Really looking forward to sharing that with you when it's ready. And until then, please take good care of yourself and each other. Stay connected to what roots you, and keep finding your way forward,

35:24

you.