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Welcome to the Christian Leadership and Resilience Podcast, where faith meets leadership and resilience is more than just a mindset. It's a calling. I'm Romeo Char. And I'm Christine Agaibi. And we are here to guide you through real conversations that equip you to lead fearlessly, serve humbly and rise strongly, no matter the challenges ahead. Every episode we dive into stories, principles, and practical tools rooted in scripture and lived experience to help you grow as a Christian leader.

Christine E. Agaibi - Caresilience: 0:45

Hello and welcome back to our Christian Leadership and Resiliency Podcast. In the last session, we talked a little bit about fear and how we need to push through fear, uh, to get to the other side of fear in order to be more resilient. Um, and that fear is a. Part of the story sometimes that we experience when we go through hardships, and it's meant to get us to pause and to think, but ultimately we want to push past the fear in order to get to a resilient kind of mindset. Today we will continue our discussions on what helps us to be more resilient from a faith-based perspective, as well as from a resilient, scientific resilient perspective. And today we're gonna be focusing on the power of vision. And so sometimes when there is fear, we don't have this vision to see beyond the struggle. So the point of today is. To discuss the power of vision and not to get stuck on the focus or on the present, uh, focus on the present problem, but rather to focus on future possibilities. And that is the most important part of resilience is to be able to see wider than just the problem that we're in now. And there's obviously biblical perspectives on this. Um, there are perspectives on vision, for example, from Proverbs 29 18 where there is no vision. The people will perish. And of course, as leaders, as business owners, as employees, as parents and everything else, we want to lead people with vision and with resilience. So with that said, um, Romeo. Nice to see you again, and today we're going to be discussing vision, and I know you have so many powerful stories about this, so why don't you let us know about those?

Romeo El Chaer: 2:36

Good morning, Christine. And yeah,

Christine E. Agaibi - Caresilience: 2:39

Good morning.

Romeo El Chaer: 2:39

vision is so powerful, uh, but sometimes we don't realize it. We just rely a lot on seeing things instead of, uh, having things, uh, as a vision. that's what block us from, uh, progressing in, in our lives. is crucial to learn and to understand. But you know, things doesn't go in the easy way. You know, uh, this old proverb that says, like, uh, in French, it's uh, like water is not full of roses. Life is not full of roses. That's typically how it is. There is a lot of, um, thorns and there's a lot of wind. There is a lot of struggle and hardships that we encounter this our lives, but. We need to have the vision so we can see beyond what's happening now beyond the moment. Because the moment it's, it's where the incident happens and it's where the struggle happens. And for me, I had something that I had no expectations for it and nobody was prepared for it. And that's where everything started. It's um. I was in Lebanon. I was a young kid. I was around three years old and it was around mid seventies, so we had some turbulences in the country. Uh, it was the beginning of the civil War, so we had to go to our village, uh, and stay at my grandparents' house. So I was. You know, enjoying life, discovering everything. Nature in the village is so beautiful. It's early summer, so you can see everything like shining. Uh, everything is green. Flowers, the mountains, the skyes. So clear. can remember these like, like I have snapshots about everything and it was so beautiful. I don't know how I still remember these snapshots, but they are there. So I went and, um, to play outside, you know, kid, three years old, what do you want, what do you expect? You want to play, play around and have fun. Enjoy the everything that can be, can be, can be used to, make the time pass. So I walked outside, I went be behind our house and there was another, uh, friend that, uh, he was a little bit bigger than myself. And, um, we, we, we started to play around and we said, we need to make this more exciting. We need some action. So we decided to play Roberts and Cuts. And, you know, when you don't have a, you know, good leadership decision making, so you think you, you, you go for the wrong curves. So I decided to be the rubber. I don't know why, but at that time we said, okay. But let's get some weapons. So we crafted a bow and an arrow. So we took one of branch, like. to create the, the, the, um, the, the bow. And, uh, we, we, we use a fishing line so we can make the, the bow at perfect curve. And we got a, another branch we use it, which is dry one, to use it as the, uh, the arrow. And we work on the head of the arrow and the back of the arrow. So we had the time to craft a good piece, but still we are so young, so. Perfecting something like that is not, is not easy, but as you know, uh, life has its own surprises. So I was standing facing the other kid and I said to him, Hey, try to shoot me if you can. So, and I was a little bit distant. I was not so close. we were laughing and you know, I was like, with all my pride and the ego standing there, that. It wouldn't hit me. You know, it, the arrow, the ball, the ball won't work. That's the, that's what he had in our mind. Then he just, you know, he, he, he, he just his position aimed at me and I was still laughing, you know, having a big smile, and he launched the arrow and Christina won't believe what happened. It's like. The arrow went straightforward and hit my eye. So that was an inflection of a second. All the smiles that I had and all the laugh that I had turned into a nightmare. The pain was tremendous and I couldn't bear to stay on my feet. So I had to go down on my knees, it was. I couldn't feel anything because I was so in pain in my head. And, uh, so, uh, literally what happened? It just, so, um, the arrow had the eye and it fell down. I. And I was holding my eye and I was screaming, crying, so it was big mess. So my mom and my sister, they were preparing, uh, for dinner. It was late afternoon and they run outside and my mom show, she saw me on the ground holding my head where my eye is, and she saw the arrow. So knew that something bad happened. And, um, she hold me in her arms. I said, it's okay, honey. Don't worry. Everything will be okay. But knew. She knew that. Things are not going to be okay. But she had to protect athletes, me emotionally and psychologically. So she was trying to do her mom thing, and it worked actually. And then all I can remember that, they took me to the, uh, to the operating room, so to the hospital. So had an urgent surgery, so, and it ended by, uh, I lost the site on the spot. So when the arrow hit the eye, it just destroyed the retina. Retina and everything was smashed. It's not there anymore. So the, the, the, the shock, that killed, uh, that destroyed the site and it's, uh, a non, um, so you cannot recover anything. It just done unrecoverable thing. And that's where my, my life, my new phase of life started unexpectedly unplanned. And that was something that, uh, I had to bear it all my life. And after the operation, uh, at that time, even for nowadays, the, there was like a deformation in the eyes. So it's not anymore like. They looked the same. So I, I, I become the kid with the eye. So I had an eye that is bluish, whitish, something like that. So it was, and it was a little bit bigger than the other one. So start, like, I looked different with that. went normal. I mean, normal that I was living with my, with my parents. I was the kiddo, so with the youngest. So every, everyone was treating me like, everything is good, everything is normal. And I was growing up in my neighborhood, and my neighborhood used to me as I was, there was no conflict, no nothing is happening. So until I reached the age of 12 ish, 13 ish, something like that. So it's when you start as a, as a, as a boy, you need to go out, find a girlfriend to love and be loved and all that thing. that's where I start to encounter the other part. So the first part was the physical, uh, scar, but be, be, be after that I had my emotional scar, and that was even worse because the first one, I'm used to it. So all my mechanical looks how my mo, my, my, my head movements all were, were, uh, adjusted, adjusted to the situation. But emotionally I was not prepared for that. I didn't know that it's gonna hit so bad. I started to think about going outside, you know, meeting a new girl or ah, to have a girlfriend and you know, uh, it's where your identity is being shaped. That's where the bigger, bigger hit that I got. I was rejected. I was considered a weird, weird kid because my look was, was not okay. It was different. I was different. And kids, they don't expect to see things like that and to understand what's going on or what happened or how to treat, uh, such situation and how to deal with that person. They don't know simple as that, because I didn't know how to deal with it I was not prepared for it. And that's where the, the, the, the, the, the second part of my suffering started, and I became the, I was the kid. So each time I log, I log into a place everybody sta at me. So was it me or was the I, so 99% was the I, that put me in very uncomfortable, uh, situation. So kind of, pushed back and. And being isolated. And I felt even sometimes I was bullied verbally about, Ooh, look to his eye, YY So I was able to hear those things and I didn't react. I just, I knew I'm, I'm, I, I looked different I couldn't do anything about it, but I was suffering a lot because, you know, people wasn't, were not able to see to see who am I to see my heart? They were not able to see through and they were always like stuck at the eyesight level. And that's where I had to live with that for a, for a long time. So that's the major thing where I lost the side and one of my eyes. So I lost an, I literally.

Christine E. Agaibi - Caresilience: 13:27

What an incredibly powerful story and journey to where you are today from a young child that was in severe physical pain. Um, having to go through a major surgery at that age, having to deal with that, and then having to be kind of almost like an outcast amongst your peers. Um, and it also teaches us, in addition to the resilience that comes out of this, that we do need to be kind to people that are different and, um, may not be what the average person looks like, but we all have. You know, an importance to us. Uh, and your story will, will show that as we talk about it more, um, that you did lose an eye, um, and. People saw you as different, but you have so much to offer in the field of resilience, in the field of leadership. And like you said, you're not seen. And one of the most important gifts that we have is to be seen as human beings and to be loved and cared for and appreciated anyway. Um, even when we have challenges, especially when we have challenges and. What an important kind of concept for leadership that we see the talents in people beyond just what meets the eye, no pun intended, but just beyond what meets right in front of us. There's, there's depth to people. There's things that we have to see beyond the surface, um, and not just judge people based on what we see externally. Um, and there's even verses about that, that God sees the heart while other people may see stature or wealth or whatever the word is. Or whatever the concept is, there's much more depth to that and there's so much more depth to you, um, which is showcased in your resilience as you grew up and, um, traveled and immigrated and, you know, moved to different countries and did different things. It's amazing. So there's so much more to us, I think, uh, that we need to focus on. Um, so, but people don't focus on that. So what are some obstacles for PE that prevent people from seeing deeper?

Romeo El Chaer: 15:33

First of all, we have, you know, there is the present moment. It has its own weight we cannot overcome this immediate on the spot. It takes time to reflect, to see, meditate, to check what's going on. So we need to give ourself a break. when things happens, you know, the age it, it. has a its own limitation and we need to have experience in life, but it's we, most of the times actually we lose, we lose the vision. We don't see beyond, and the thing that happened with me, that situation put me in more depth to look more into, into the, to people to search like to read between the lines because that's where I was. I had a lot of things happening between the lines, but no one was, didn't care enough or didn't have the knowledge or to just look, look somewhere like what's going on? Who's that guy? I had few in my life that they always were there. I'm thankful to God about those people because they helped me to move on to, to always see myself that I was accepted, but. I couldn't realize what's happening. I couldn't see it because was really going into hardship. I was overwhelmed with, with situations because that I was living those moments. I was beaten up, you know, with all the looks, with all the criticism, with all the, the rejection, with all the judgment on how I looked. that it's hard. You can, it's hard to develop. The vision there, it took me time to start seeing, but I had a very big anchor that ever changed everything in my life and that was the faith. I'm thankful to God that as a Christian and I'm, I lived in a, very religious, uh, Christian family, very religious. That means we go by. We, we, we are like, um, living our Christian values. And, uh, I was blessed by that family because I was raised on those values. And when you start living the values of Christian Christianity, you have an open heart. You, you rely, rely on love and you know that God is made of love and it's, won't do that. kid like myself to just harm him or to let things bad happens to him. But because we live in this world, know that it's not a perfect world. So that's what was happening in my mind. That's what gave me hope about, even with the loss of my eye, there should be something out there for that eye, and it's like I knew that I was missing something. But I didn't know what, but I learned by the years that when things occur today, something will come out from it later on. And since God is good, I know that this is gonna turn to something good, useful. And that's exactly what happened. that it took me years to figure this out and to o overcome this and, um. of the biggest stages of, you know, um, processing all that. It was when I moved from Lebanon to the States, it's where I got the, the time to assess, to reflect, to understand what happened in my life. And then I discovered the skills that it was built. And when I start dig, digging more and more about what are those skills, what, what I'm having, what, what is this? I discovered resiliency. And I discovered that resiliency came through faith. That was the major anchor, and that's something that gave me vision about I'm gonna do in my life and what's my life purpose. And everything fell in the right place. So all the pieces came all together, all the incidents, all the personal things, and, and, and, and even professional ones. It all made sense. I have like this clarity, so vision is not something we ask for it. It happens and it takes time to be able to see the vision sometimes things aren't in front of our eyes, but we don't, we don't see them. And that's where you need the vision and you need the hope, and you need the faith to believe that something good is gonna happen and believing it's gonna happen. So that's the power of vision.

Christine E. Agaibi - Caresilience: 20:37

Yeah. That is so beautiful and so true. Uh, so it sounds like ultimately one of the obstacles or barriers to having vision is that we want everything to happen and to unfold now. And um, even the resilience research, we'll talk about perseverance and the importance of having perseverance in order to be. Resilient to keep going to, um, to savor and to sit and reflect like you're talking about, in order for that resilience to unfold. It isn't something that. It appears immediately after the incident. And I can relate to that from my own story of losing my dad. Initially I was an outcast too. I was the only kid in my church or in my neighborhood that didn't have a dad. And so it was very strange, um, for a lot of people didn't know what to do with me, didn't know where to place me. Uh, but again, you keep persevering day after day after day, and much like you. I had the same experience of this must have a purpose. This must have to glean meaning out of that situation, I think is really what gives that vision and that importance is there has to be a purpose for this. Um, and I may not discover it right away. And yes, it is painful. Um, but this is kind of again, to go back to leadership. How do leaders develop that God-centered vision if things are not going as well as they want in that moment? Um, if they don't know how to glean the different strengths out of their team. So what is the biblical perspective on leadership and being able to see beyond the present moment, beyond the superficial in their team, beyond, um, what they're seeing. What's right in front of them?

Romeo El Chaer: 22:19

Well, biblically, there is a lot of stories that it's there that it explained this. And that's the power of belief. That's the power of faith. You know, we can start by Abraham who became later on Abraham, sorry. It started there actually. So God appeared to him and he talked to him, and then he had this voice like, go and leave and go to the promised land. And I would give you what you need, the land, the children, da da. And that was very important at that, you know, during that time, especially for So he knew that there's something beyond, and he believed that he had faith in God and he left that place where he was secured and he had his very successful businesses and he took all his cattle and his people, servants. And left. He left. And the journey, if you're familiar with the Middle East, it's not a joke. It's not like he's going like from, uh, know, from Maine to Houston like I did. It was from all in Iraq to the Promised Land. And that was a huge, very risky, uh, journey. And during that travel. He has to encounter so many bees, so many tribes, and he can get, you know, killed even. But God, that even that God didn't spoke to him during all his journey, still he had faith and he believed that that something good is gonna come out from it and look where we are today with Abraham. So we need to have that faith and to see beyond just. current situation and as we see now, like Abraham, he's a man of faith, but also he's a businessman. And he was able to see the opportunity that, that God was giving it to him, there is a promised land that that would give you You're gonna be da, da, da, da. So it's, the whole thing was a very positive thing, and that's what faith is all about. Is having hope and, and believing in the better future if we rely on God. that's exactly what happened to me. And if we go and, you know, there is a lot of story that happened in my life that can prove how things goes with resiliency. That is, that was built during my, um, during my growth, during my hardship. And one of them. It's where I was, uh, I was a partner in a, in a, in a company that we used to deal with electromechanical supply for construction projects. And all our, our work was for Nigerian construction projects and I was located in Lebanon, handling all the operations. And my two partners were in Nigeria dealing with getting projects. So, and the whatever, all the information so we can, uh, secure the deals. And I was doing all the job from Lebanon and as it's a hub between West and East Europe, the state, whatever. So with that, because of the resiliency that was built during my hardship, because you know, I developed through my hardship. A way to overcome the challenges that I had in my life and to accept things and to embrace the scar, and, okay. I learned not to stop at the eye level, I have a dis destroyed eye. I have a definite look. I learned not to stop there, so later on was equipped. Uh, the skills of adaptation and flexibility, positivity, hope, uh, self-confidence. So they were built up within me during those years of agony. Even that it was agony, like the journey

Christine E. Agaibi - Caresilience: 26:31

Mm-hmm.

Romeo El Chaer: 26:31

to to, to Israel, it was also built within me the same skills somehow. So it's a common thing, it's a universal thing. It's not something just typically. To me, this is my story, but look to your story anyone outside listening to this. Think about your story. What's your story? did happen to you, and how you are taking that story, that learning curve, how your resiliency was built. And you will discover that you have a superpower, that you may not using it properly because you're afraid. So you have to believe, you have to have faith in yourself and God in the circumstances, everything. So you can just go, go forward. And if we go back to that example of, of on the professional level, how resiliency that was built from a physical and emotional scar. It can, it just help me tremendously in my professional life. So I was, I was preparing for a DA for around$8.5 million. So. Planes were coming from, uh, to, to, to get the cargo from Lebanon and back to this, to Nigeria, and that was a big shipment and was sipping my coffee and I just received a flash news on the tv. You know, that's where usually start your date to check the news that the war erupted in between Lebanon and Israel. That was on July 12th, 2006. And I cannot believe what, what I'm hearing on what I'm seeing. But, you know, seeing is believing. I was like, what the hell is going on? No, not today. And the, the flights were like coming, so I had to two options, go and stop everything. And that will lead to a tremendous losses for everyone. The, the, the, the planes are in the, are in the air, the cargo is stacked. Letter of credit opened and dealt with all, everything was paid, and there's a lot of fees for that. So I just, I need to do something. So I couldn't let go and stop everything. But, you know, there is all the fly, you know, all the, uh, flights and the, and our in Lebanon air, uh, that it just was crippling. All the transportation, transportation bridges were shut down. Literally they just, uh, so anyway, so it was worth, I had to deal with it. So I was able to just get that around the problems and figure out how to solve the whole situation. So I just started by getting to my, uh, agent, uh, shipping agent. So we shifted everything, uh, to the Damascus airport. So, and we informed the company that the shipping, a company that dealing with the flights to, so they go to land in, uh, in, in Syria. Where, where in, uh, at the Damascus International Airport. So they can wait there for the goods. I assembled the goods, I gave instructions to the truck, uh, to the truck drivers that everything you load, you don't cover it. it's a box, know, because you, you have to put something on the goods when you're shipping it from one place to another. So nothing, keep everything clear. So if anyone wants to check on what's, what is moving on these trucks, they can see from, because you know, there was like, all the drones are screening everything. So if, if they can see what's moving, they won't have that. If they, they will know it's not risky. And we had pipes. We had so many things that it can be confusing as rockets or as rocket launches, so we wanted to make sure that everything is clear and see it. And I increased the insurance and I just gave the session to go everything. We were able to ship all the goods by land from Lebanon to Syria, and then loaded up with the agent in Syria and then it went back to Nigeria. So. That's the power of resiliency. It's not only in your prof, in your personal life, but it is also executed and used in your professional life because that needs a lot of, of, of like decision making and fast and have a problem solving skills, how to, uh, manage, uh, different teams, different team members, and, uh, different, uh, uh. You know, organizations. So it was a, a huge operation Under severe circumstances, the bridges were blown out, destroyed completely. So that was so, so, so risky. But thank God we managed everything and I saved the deal. So that's how it is important to have resiliency and how it is important to have it in, in, in, in, for the leaders to be executed, to be used and nourished so you can use that data on in your professional life. So look, all the people that they are in leadership positions, that's how they act. They go and they see things beyond, they have their vision, they have this, you know, a, a leverage about seeing things. That usually, they not, they cannot see, or they don't, they don't see beyond the present moment. And that's the gift of resiliency that was nourished within to be to, to make me able to make that those decisions change everything on a professional level.

Christine E. Agaibi - Caresilience: 32:29

Absolutely. Again, what a powerful story. And in this one you have to make decisions quickly, so sometimes resilience. Is about perseverance and seeing the far away road and, and taking that long road, and sometimes you have to make decisive decisions on the spot that could impact a lot of things in a short amount of time, and to make as little damage in that situation as possible. The takeaway is that the visionary leaders. Always see beyond obstacles, uh, whether it is in the short term, and I have to make a quick decision right now, but I'm relying and trusting God that he's behind me and also trusting my own experiences and my own, uh, discernment, my own wisdom in that situation. To be able to make a quick decision like that, that would impact a lot of people. And still come out strong at the end. So ultimately, it's trusting that God has a bigger plan and that regardless of what happens, all things work together for good in the end, for those that love God and are called to his purpose. Um, so. What daily practices do you think that we can use to help us stay focused on that long-term impact? Even if we have to make a quick decision or if it is something long-term like having to deal with a loss. My case, the loss of my dad, in your case, the loss of your eye. How can we have daily practices that keep us moving in the right direction that will ultimately have a good long-term impact.

Romeo El Chaer: 33:59

Well, there is, the mindset is one of them, and it's not by being positive, you know, being the positivity is something that it's so important in our daily lives. It's a ritual. You choose to be positive or negative, a good sense of humor. You know, life is hard already, why? To just make it harder. Go and be good to people around you. Go to uh, you know, be uh, the, give this slight humor, a chance to be the out there laugh en enjoy your time. And it's not only about work, I cherish life in a different way. And maybe because it's about, about how, what about the hardship that I went through And you know, sometimes we need to be less dramatic and start seeing life from like have a positive expectations from life. And we have to believe that we can make changes. But it's not necessarily in the moment. Like I learned with time that, okay, something happened, but okay, what's the lesson? God. So I had to wait. there is lessons that I waited for a year and I was like, boom, I got it. Oh my God. That's the lesson. So there is things that we need to wait and to and and to to, to process so we can get it. Because this is the, the resiliency is not something that happens on the spot. It's built up. It's nourished. And that needs a lot of of challenges that we need to encounter so it can grow and so we can, it can be nourished and it can be useful to us. So being positive is one of the key that I had in my life. I always see the positive side of things. Okay, that might be a little bit risky sometimes because. Uh, too much of positivity. It turns to be negativity. when you have these things like happening in your life on daily basis, you like, you search for the positive input, like I always see the full half of the cup. always see that, and I, I, I always mention this and I always mention the full half first. I don't mention the empty unless if it's on purpose and I notice that several times. And when you are like light person, humble, you just let things to happen to you and you absorb your process you can just move things forward people will be contagious by, by your smile. And people, so many people said, Romeo, you know, I had a, a friend of mine, died a long time ago. He said to me, Romeo, there is something about you which I cannot understand. I know that you're not a rich man, you are always happy. You're always contain things. I have the money, I'm rich, and I don't know how you can do that. And unfortunately, that friend died later on because of, of stress and because of he had failure. And I'm still living and I'm still smiling to things and to situation and Ike for, you know. my, my, my, my, my path and I'm still moving forward. that's what I do, that's how I live my life and everything will come with it. Like the faith made everything to happen for me. I had to believe that God is good and everything is gonna come out good from him. And that's where the positivity. Source. That's my secret. And that's what everything moved on based on that hope that I got from God, that he's gonna make things good. And by having this belief, was able to see my worthiness through I, through God's eyes, because I, loved me. And that love, it can, it's, it's, it's an, an unconditional love. So it's not going to be conditioned by my case. And it's not be conditioned for any case in the world, for anyone. an unconditional love. So that means the eye that I had is not an obstacle. It's just something I need to walk through to understand something bigger so I can have my own life. And that's exactly what happened. After 50 years, I understood the whole thing, and now that's what I'm doing. I'm preaching about this. I'm just. You know, sharing that hope, positivity, that, aliveness with others. So see and believe, because that's where everything's down. This is the secret. Being hopeful, being positive, being humble, being righteous, all that is coming from one place this. It's God. It's the faith in God that by having faith in him. I have the faith in myself I'm is beloved, you know, creature. So that's the secret. That's

Christine E. Agaibi - Caresilience: 39:27

Yeah.

Romeo El Chaer: 39:28

I always, uh, and one more thing. You know, when you go and make someone else to smile or laugh, change the day. You change their, their, their, their, their situation. gave them something And, and that's just a small. Thing we do. So imagine if you live your life like that, how you spread positivity into your teams, to your company of, you know, waking up on the wrong side of the bed. to get the right one fixed spread this because that ripple effect you put there, that positivity. And believe me, it'll go through walls and through, through even countries because now we are like in a big village. be positive and start spreading positivity at all levels, and believe me, it's gonna come back at you with abundance.

Christine E. Agaibi - Caresilience: 40:27

Excellent perspective and uh, and like you said, not turning the positive too much into a negative. Um, also understanding the difficulties and challenges that we've been through, but not to stay there, I think is the key. I. Um, as well, and, um, to live every day with the same principles that you talked about, the Christian principles, integrity and kindness and hope, and perseverance and, and love, most of all. Um, and that helps you to see those things in your team, in your. Um, and the people that you are working with, turning things into a positive, it's about kind of reframing how you look at it, to process it, to think about it, to reframe it, to understand it. Um, so this has been a very enlightening kind of, uh. Uh, you know, presentation today for our, for our audience, learning more about resilience from the perspective of seeing beyond the obstacles that we are in. Um, sometimes people feel as if they're consumed by their obstacles. It takes over their world. But again, when you're centered with with God in the middle, with Christ in the middle, uh, we know ultimately it will turn for good. Um. It's almost like the, the blood pressure cuff we get at the doctor, things close in, close in, close in, and then they release. Um, and in that release we find, uh, so much meaning, so much purpose, so much use to use this to help other people, uh, to create and maintain a vision for our lives. And that turning it over, um, to inspire other people. To lead and to reach their fullest potential, which ultimately is what resilience is all about. How to flourish, how to thrive, how to reach your full potential. And not that there's no difficulties. We're not putting on rose colored glasses and pretending there's no difficulties. But then how do we use those difficulties and to turn them into something positive? So thank you Romeo, for sharing your stories today. Um, I'm sure our audience has learned so much from. Our podcast already and we look forward to, to more and learning more about Christian topics and how to turn them into resilience.

Romeo El Chaer: 42:36

Exactly, exactly. So I hope that you know, that, those are my stories, but each one of us has his own path, his own stories. Just all I would ask, please give yourself a chance reflect on your life and see what's in it for you and for others. Because always we have a life purpose that God put it in us, it, and put that, you know, see hope, the faith, the, the, the, the positivity in others. And you're gonna be surrounded by a team and by a family. That would just give you back lot.

Christine E. Agaibi - Caresilience: 43:24

Absolutely. I think those are powerful closing words. Connect the dots and you will see where your path guides and leads to more resilience and flourishing. So until next time, reflect on these lessons about the power of vision and fear from the last time and see where your path is leading you. For greater growth and greater resilience. Thank you.

Romeo El Chaer: 43:49

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