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 Integrity is more than honesty—it’s the foundation of trust, leadership, and lasting success. In this episode, we dive deep into what integrity truly means, how it shapes our character, and why it’s essential in both personal and professional life. 

Whether you’re leading a team, building a business, or simply striving to live by your values, this conversation will inspire you to walk in truth and consistency. 

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Dr. Christine E. Agaibi - M.A. & PhD Training in Counseling Psychology
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Welcome to the Christian Leadership and Resilience Podcast, where faith meets leadership and resilience is more than just a mindset. It's a calling. I'm Romeo Char. And I'm Christina Gebe. And we are here to guide you through real conversations that equip you to lead fearlessly, serve humbly and rise strongly, no matter the challenges ahead. Every episode we dive into stories, principles, and practical tools rooted in scripture and lived experience to help you grow as a Christian leader.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

hello everybody. Welcome back to our Christian Leadership and Resilience Podcast. Today we bring you another wonderful topic about leadership and. How we can apply these things. In our work and in our lifestyles and in everything that we do. Today's topic is going to be on one of my favorites, and we're gonna be discussing characters from the Bible and stories from our lives as we have been before. We're gonna be talking about integrity and how to stand firm in our Christian values, especially when things are challenging'cause it's easy to cut corners when things are challenging or stressful. But we're going to talk about integrity characters from the Bible. And I thought it would be helpful to even, I'm sure we all know what integrity is, but to kind of just define it so that we're all on the same page when we start. Just the dictionary definition of integrity is the quality of being honest. Having strong moral principles, moral uprightness, and the state of being whole and undivided, especially when things are challenging. So this is going to be our topic of study today. Romey, what do you think?

Romeo El Chaer

That's a very tough word, Christine. just being committed to this includes a lot of things that we as human being as entrepreneurs or just being employees and in our families everywhere, the word integrity will just come and rule in our lives. So we can be really doing what needs to be done on all these different phases of our lives. And it's not easy to live with integrity because. is things that it's included, which is about honesty. We are talking about commitment to the morals, committed to God, and how we are having that relationship with him, and also it's about what we are committed to, what we promise. Promise others. So it's, and it's not something that we do in one day or so. Today I live by those things and next day, you know, let's skip this one. We have to be consistent in that we have to live and breathe integrity. Otherwise we're gonna be like, you know, living a big lie. And, This needs to be transmitted. every thought and every action we have to the outside world, which is our colleagues, our family members, our partners, our bosses, our superiors everywhere. It's everywhere. It's about social morals and it's about, social ethics. It's everywhere. So this is a big and heavy word. It's not just a word, it's actually a way of life. That's how I would say it. It's a way of life. So, which one you would do? You would choose living with integrity in a consistent way, or just wake up and see your mood today? I'm gonna be consistent, but you know, I will skip this here. I prefer to get that. Let's not doing this. Oh, I'm gonna gossip on this one. You know faithfulness here and there. It's about a decision we take and we have to be consistent with it. It's beautiful. It's so beautiful when you live with those morals, with that way of life because it gives you pleasure, it gives you that. Beautiful feeling that you're doing your life purpose and you're living to be a righteous man or righteous woman and pleasing God, and pleasing your surrounding in a very pure way. That's what it is. It's all about integrity

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

yes, absolutely. I think what comes to mind to me with integrity is. When nobody is looking, it's very easy to cut corners or to take the easy way out or to do what's the most convenient or what even feels good. But is it integrity? Is it something that is going to harm your character in some way? Is it, going to impact your work, impact your teams, it is really important to know how you are working, how you're thinking, how you're doing things when nobody's watching or nobody's going to notice. And it could be something small, but these little small things can add up. And do you compromise your character in any way? And how does that impact? The work, how does that impact things ethically? How does that impact things in terms of your spirituality? Since we're talking about Christian resilience, it can impact those things and it builds up. So it could be a little corner that I cut here and a little corner that I cut there. Or it doesn't matter if I upset somebody or it doesn't matter if you know, just do what's best for me. I'm not looking at the whole picture. And those things I think create a ripple and they create an impact on your soul. Taking a little bit at a time.

Romeo El Chaer

Yeah, this is this, definitely, it has a ripple effect on everything around you.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Mm-hmm.

Romeo El Chaer

know, when you start doing by the morals and being committed to it, we stop. Abusing others and we stop abusing ourselves.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Mm-hmm.

Romeo El Chaer

to do what needs to be done and which is right because, and it's just being consistent with what we do and committed to it. To be great leaders, not just a good leaders, because after all, when we lead in our lives based on Christian values and ethics, you create a ripple effect among your team or your teams. It's not about just managing people. We are nourishing the leaders within. So we need to understand that we have a responsibility also as leaders. When we nourish that kind of integrity into our team's spirit, those working with us, that we are leading, we are kind of a mentors. will replicate what we do. They will do, they will be, you know, admiring that kind of spirit that we have a adopt it. It'll flourish and be implemented in their lives as well. That's the ripple effect that you spread, not just to your team, but it'll move around the whole company, the whole organization. So the higher you go, the higher level, start with dealing with integrity. It'll make a ripple effect that the. the ranks, all the levels of the organization. So it can start from the CEO and it goes down to the doorkeeper.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Mm-hmm.

Romeo El Chaer

because each player is part of that spirit of that vision, of that act of kindness being right. And, and that's something that. changed the whole organization because, by being a living a righteousness, God will honor this he will reward those people. And it's, you can fight in different places in the Bible and so many people that you can see in, in life, they, they did, living that's righteous life and they were rewarded. And one of these stories. Is, my favorite. know it's huge too. the story of

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

My favorite,

Romeo El Chaer

It's the story of Joseph.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

yes.

Romeo El Chaer

It's in Genesis 37 to 50. That story is incredibly amazing and it's, it's so deep, so beautiful, and it just shows what's about. To be living with integrity. And you can see it through the whole life of Joseph, how he reacted. And you mentioned something very important, Christine. It's when you mentioned that, that you know, integrity, it doesn't get to a lower levels if we have difficulties.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Mm-hmm.

Romeo El Chaer

So, or you,

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yeah.

Romeo El Chaer

integrity or not. There is nothing in between because you cannot just make it it's not a proportional thing because it, it's like a jar if you break it. If you put it together you will always see the fractures, even if you do your best to make it unseen, but still. there. So it's very important to just, be careful about how we live our lives because it's gonna impact others. And we need always to think as a Christian first about how we are committed to the morals God gave us and how we live by them.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes. One of my favorite verses from the story of Joseph is God was with Joseph and he prospered, and I think Joseph was with God too and followed him when it could have been easier to follow Potifer's wife or you know, and he didn't have. He had his role models initially when he was living in his father's house. But imagine being sold to another country as a young man. Nobody's watching over you or you know, giving you the rules like we give our kids and telling them what to do and monitoring their behavior. Nobody's monitoring him and still he had integrity. It could have been very easy to. Slide in a different direction. And he didn't do that. And God was indeed with him and he prospered. And that verse is in Genesis 39. So there's still much more to the story going all the way to chapter 50. But even in the beginning, you know, God was with him. God was guiding him, and he's willing to listen

Romeo El Chaer

Yes.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

those nudges of the Holy Spirit. What, what we know now, of course, as the Holy Spirit do, we listen to those nudges. So we get all kinds of little nudges here and there. And a lot of people ignore those nudges. And there's other stories in the New Testament of. How those nudges can be ignored when these the seeds are being planted in different soil. Some soil is nurtured and it grows or the story. In our church, we read the story of the vine the person that owned the vineyard and he went away to a far away land and kept sending people. To monitor the the vineyard and they kept being rejected until he sent his own son and his son was killed. Those are all symbols of the Holy Spirit nudging people, and some people don't respond to the nudges, and so they continue down a wrong path, continuing to make mistakes, and that ripple effect again, can ruin a company, can ruin a family, can ruin many things. When. The leaders are not paying attention to those little nudges of return to your integrity, return to what the rules are, return to what is righteous and correct.

Romeo El Chaer

You

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

really important there.

Romeo El Chaer

is. And can you imagine that you are sold by your siblings, you know, that give Joseph all the right do whatever he wants with his brothers.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Exactly.

Romeo El Chaer

He has all the rights by the norms, he should

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes.

Romeo El Chaer

them. He should, he, he should like prosecute them. He should put them in jail to let them suffer the way he suffered. But what was different? That Joseph, he was committed to the morals and to God, faith and faithfulness couldn't let him do this to his brothers. And someday, you know, sometimes I think about myself, how much, how I can be Joseph, how much I can forgive others that they cause harm to me or made me feel. You know not worthy enough or put me in a situation that I was wrongfully accused.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Mm-hmm.

Romeo El Chaer

I don't know how I, you know, it's hard a human being.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Absolutely.

Romeo El Chaer

weak. So,

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Mm-hmm.

Romeo El Chaer

but the importance of being committed to morals, that integrity by itself, it's just so deep. And we need to find a way to make this consistent in our lives because if we can't forgive, it's an issue. There is, this is a problem for me. It's a problem because

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Right.

Romeo El Chaer

be able to live. I will be living in that dark spot where I can't, you know, forgive that person and that's hard. And it'll poison my life. And it'll poison everything I'm doing because I will be always, you know, this grunch against that person. So that destroy everything, or let me say reduce the, that my commitment to God's moral'cause I have to forgive and I have to love others. your neighbor. You know, all these things. What if that neighbor was my brother or my parent, My partner or my colleague or whatever. There is a lot of examples in our lives. We need to find a place we can forgive because we need to move on.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes.

Romeo El Chaer

there is a lot of things that happen in life, in my life at least, that it was supposed to destroy me and I, I was in pain, but I had to move on. So I said, okay, it be that way. I need to move on. what was done was done, but needs to move on I have a lot to think about, about the future. And that's where, by doing our jobs and keeping the Holy Spirit in the midst of lifestyle and how we live, we can be able to listen to these, know. These whispers and you know, I remember I just remembered in Elijah when he was like for God to pass, he passed in a whisper.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes.

Romeo El Chaer

in noise. Not in a very

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

It's easy to miss.

Romeo El Chaer

Exactly.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

It's very easy to miss if you're occupied

Romeo El Chaer

Exactly.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

all the things that in life that can pull you, whether that's. You know, in Joseph's case it could have been Potifer's wife, it could be money, it could be, you know, a job title. If I cut this little corner, I can get a different job title. You know, it doesn't matter who's hurt in the process or whatever it is, but you're right, it comes in a whisper, a little nudge, and it's very easy to miss if you're not walking with God.

Romeo El Chaer

That's why it's so important to keep that in mind that whatever we do within ourselves, we have to get the right motive and we have to have those purity of motives. When we act even that nobody sees us, we need to be doing what needs to be done. Whatever is the consequences, the righteousness start there. We need to make sure

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Mm-hmm.

Romeo El Chaer

whatever we do is not poisoned it has a pure heart, with a pure mind, with a pure soul. And. Okay. I don't want be like in, in that, make things so easy. know it's so hard we are humans

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes.

Romeo El Chaer

can, we sin and we commit mistakes in our lives and we are not so ideal. Otherwise, we wouldn't,

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Mm-hmm.

Romeo El Chaer

we wouldn't need Jesus to come and die for us.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Exactly.

Romeo El Chaer

still, it's our decision if we, if we make a mistake. We can repent we can just work hard and, and, you know, and pray for the Holy Spirit to clean us and just help us to move on. So forgiveness is part of our lives and we need to just forgive others we continue living our lives so we can keep moving forward. it's gonna be a problem. So it's a cycle of many different things that they have to all do together. in Joseph, you know, when I was reading it, it was something so beautiful. If you just imagine the lifeline, he started by being the favorite son father, Jacob. Then went into slavery. So he went to the rabbit hole. Down to earth in the rock bottom and he said, let it be his will. So he just accepted that

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Accepted

Romeo El Chaer

and

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

surrender to it. Yes.

Romeo El Chaer

because he believed that God will just make sure that this will turn to be good. That's. The hope in Christian life that

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes.

Romeo El Chaer

goes wrong. God will fix that make it to his will and to our good, but we have to believe in that and be patient. Then after

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Mm-hmm.

Romeo El Chaer

he went to be, you know, with Potifar, and he was very successful in doing his job. Even that he was a slave, but still

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes.

Romeo El Chaer

worked hard. With honesty you know, that's where you put the word Integrity. He filled all the things he was doing, everything with honesty. He did everything that he said he was gonna do. He just did it. And he had all the morals because even when he fall and, you know, with this situation with, Potifar's wife, he didn't do anything. He just mouth shut.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Accused an accepted prison

Romeo El Chaer

Yes,

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

rather than doing the wrong thing.

Romeo El Chaer

I he didn't

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

As the other verse says, I would rather fall in God's hands than in people's hands.

Romeo El Chaer

And that's

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

God is merciful. And that's what it ended as. And even in prison, he was forgotten. He was forgotten in prison. It was supposed to be taken out, but he was forgotten. Eventually it was taken out. And became second in command. So despite every challenge, he was still faithful, had integrity, and didn't give in though it was very hard.

Romeo El Chaer

and there was a secret behind that. He was wrongfully accused. And he stayed in prison for a long time. He

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes,

Romeo El Chaer

committed God. He kept

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

yes.

Romeo El Chaer

and he was boldly, praying. He was not hiding it.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Mm-hmm.

Romeo El Chaer

and everyone respected him because of that faith saw in him that he's a dedicated person to God. he always, even that in the prison. He was respected by how committed he was to his God.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes.

Romeo El Chaer

so powerful. Like if we are doing our jobs and committed to God, can you imagine the results of our jobs? It'll be high, high end. It's not like

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes.

Romeo El Chaer

it's not about having all the skills in the world to do our job, but if you have these pure motives and pure intentions. And you're very consistent in doing what's good. Imagine the results at any position you are,

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yeah.

Romeo El Chaer

you will be really doing what's best for yourself, but for the company as well. And that's how you know Joseph was honored by God, he was rewarded actually, and he become the second in command.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes.

Romeo El Chaer

And Egypt at that time, so powerful. Can you imagine?

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes. And even, you know, even though this verse in Colossians was written, you know, much, much later, Colossians 3 23 says, whatever you do, work at it with all your heart as working for the Lord and not for human masters. Since you know that you'll receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward for you are serving Jesus Christ. So he was doing this thousands of years earlier. You know, having the integrity to do what he was supposed to do, whether it was in the pit, whether it was being sold into slavery, moving different countries in different nations. I can't imagine being betrayed by his brothers, being betrayed by Potifar's wife being forgotten in prison. And yet he did what this verse said that was written thousands of years later. So.

Romeo El Chaer

Yeah.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

He protected his integrity and his faith and even at the very end, one of my absolute favorite verses Genesis 50 20, you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good to save many. And so God used that person who is strong and character. That's what resilience is to withstand. The challenges and the winds and the difficulties of life to withstand that, to endure that, and ultimately God will handle it for good. So if we cut corners, we've let that important part go, that if I endure the struggles, the stress, the pain, the betrayals the difficulties, the challenges, God will turn it for good in the end to save you. And Joseph saved many as a result with his wisdom and all of the things that came with that. So he gave him glory and he gave glory to God, and it was kind of a reciprocal relationship, which was really, really nice too.

Romeo El Chaer

Exactly. You know, living that kind of life. It's a decision. It's a choice we make.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

It is.

Romeo El Chaer

And,

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

It is.

Romeo El Chaer

there is it says in the proverbs, it's Proverbs 28 verse six. Better is the poor man who works in his integrity than a rich man who is crooked in his ways. I prefer 100 times to be poor than to be that crook rich and that what also Joseph did, was, was, you know, he was very successful and he was doing well at Potifar, but he, when that, incident happened with the wife, he could have that relationship that give him pleasure and also will keep his position and get better. So, which one to decide which one. So he, he choose to be committed to his God to be. That honest person, full of integrity and he preferred to lose his, this, this success be a crook rich man. And this is, this is very

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes.

Romeo El Chaer

And for us, when

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Mm-hmm.

Romeo El Chaer

when working and as leaders, what would we choose the position or the integrity they want us to be seen.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Exactly.

Romeo El Chaer

Or to lift others to be seen. Do you want to

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Mm-hmm. Yes,

Romeo El Chaer

life

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

exactly right.

Romeo El Chaer

live. And the consequences is gonna be, you know. Depends on what we choose. And Joseph example, he was tremendously rewarded. It's not like, you know, he wanted a million dollar. He was like the second in command. It's like being the vice

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes.

Romeo El Chaer

You just rewarded a

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yep.

Romeo El Chaer

position but to serve. So you have to use that power for the goodness

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yeah. And when you have that faithfulness, you will be rewarded probably on earth and in the afterlife. The narrow road is not the easy road, but that's the road we're called to take. And the integrity road is the narrow road, and temptations will come at you from all different directions. To distract you from the narrow road, but we still are called to take the narrow road. And there's another verse from job, job 27:5 far be from me that I should say that you are right till I die, I will not put away integrity from me and my righteousness. I will hold fast and not let go. So even to the point of death, job was also willing to. Have integrity and be righteous. It's not the easy road, but it's the correct one. And ultimately the reward is far larger in the end, but it takes patience. It takes endurance, it takes strength, it takes resilience. But the narrow road ultimately is far more rewarded than the temporary pleasures and things that you could have encountered along the way.

Romeo El Chaer

This is exactly what it's all about and I cannot agree more. And if we just want to sum up. Integrity. There four main characteristics for integrity, which honesty, dependability, purity of motives, and consistency. If you follow those four, we are living an itegrated life. how we can honor God. the way we live our lives. And that's will bring prosperity to us, to our families, to our businesses, to our teams, to the people that around us. And we are gonna witness of God. after all, are here for a short period of time, even if we live for 100 years and still short. And the, time frame. Just very small. Which one? We want to choose have a short life of all the wrong doings, because we can receive wealth and pleasure, or we can have the wealth and the pleasure, by having this life that is built on integrity,

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes.

Romeo El Chaer

but we have to pick which one, the easy one or the a little bit difficult one, but it's not difficult

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Yes.

Romeo El Chaer

I don't see. It's difficult that much. What do you think?

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

If it's, like you're saying it's a way of life, it becomes your lifestyle. Like you can choose to eat unhealthy foods. Or you can make it part of your lifestyle to get healthier foods from the grocery store and get healthier recipes. And that becomes your lifestyle. When it becomes your lifestyle, it becomes easier because this is just the way that you're living. And so it becomes your lifestyle that becomes easier, and I think adding to your four points there. If we even just focus on two commandments, loving the Lord your God, with all your heart and your mind and your soul, and loving your neighbor as yourself, if you do those two things, you won't lie. You won't steal, you won't covet, you won't commit adultery, you won't hurt other people, and you will have integrity. You wanna just narrow the 10 Commandments just to those two you'll get very far because. You know, as Martin Luther King once said you know, the Civil Rights Leader, the ultimate measure of a person is not where they stand in moments of comfort and convenience, but where they stand in times of challenge and controversy. So that is what makes up our character. How do we act in difficult and challenging times? Do we love the Lord our God with all our heart and mind? Do we love our neighbor as ourselves? If you have those two as Christians, we will rise above. The general world and what they do because those lead to temporary pleasures. But if you have the long view, you will have permanent pleasures

Romeo El Chaer

Amen

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

with integrity.

Romeo El Chaer

Amen to that. I cannot add any single word to that except amen. And with that I would like to ask audience which life would choose, the easy one or the one with integrity. Which one do you think is, more rewarding? Think about it. I know you're doing your best, but just don't be hard and hard on yourself, on your back. You're doing great. But when leading our lives and leading others, we need to just choose on the edge of making others to have a decent life and to be prosperous and to be living. And the love and committed to God.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Amen. Thank you everyone for listening to this session on integrity, and we hope that gives you some pause and some thought about how you conduct your leadership qualities, and we thank you for tuning in and join us again next time for another great episode with more topics about Christian leadership and resilience.

Romeo El Chaer

Go and live in with your integrity and be a shining star in this dark world. Have a blessed week.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience

Amen.

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